Mum's The Word! The Parenting Podcast - Is Home-schooling the Future? - with Coral Golding

Episode Date: March 4, 2024

On This Week's Mum's The Word:Kelsey Parker is joined by Coral Golding to chat all about the realities behind home-schooling her two kidsThey'll Discuss:Why she pulled them out of school?How she convinced her husband it was the right idea?What the biggest misconceptions behind home-schooling are?Get In Contact With Us:Do you have a question for us? Get in touch on our Whatsapp, that's 07599927537 or email us at [e-mail] for Listening---A Create Podcast Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome back to Mums the Word, the parenting podcast. I'm Kelsey Parker and I'm your host for this week. So guys, over the half term, we decided to take the children to Cornwall by train. I know what you're thinking. Are we mad? Yes, we are. We took three under the age of four and one baby to Cornwall by the train. And it was very, what's the word, eventful. We made it there in one piece and we had the most amazing holiday. But yeah, you know, sometimes guys, you put yourself out there and you can actually do it and we did it. So this episode we are focusing on homeschooling and today we are joined by my good friend Coral Golding. She is into wellness, fashion and is also a travel blogger. Coral made the decision to homeschool both her

children and says once they had decided to do it, it was like a massive weight had been lifted off her shoulders. Thank you for joining me and welcome to Mums the Word. So tell me, you know, everybody wants to know about homeschooling. Yeah, it's a hot topic at the moment, isn't it? Hot topic! One, how did you do it? What made you decide to do it? I've got so many questions for you. I mean, it was never my original intention.

My daughter would go to school, so we didn't kind of off the bat decide for her to start homeschooling. So we then went along to her open day and I met the teacher and it honestly just didn't feel right in my gut. And I left feeling really confused about what to do. And she just felt really young at the time. And then I went away and my dad said to me, she doesn't have to actually go to school. And it just opened up the whole world of homeschooling to me.

And I just looked into everything, did loads of research and saw that there was loads of homeschool groups locally. And there's a massive community in Brighton so so that was when she was four yes you looked at the school so when did you actually like start doing the educational side of things because i guess really you don't actually have to be in school till you're five no no exactly but she she was four but she is a september baby So she's technically from the September. Because Aurelia's not. Aurelia's obviously not five until the end of June. Because she's got...

When's her birthday? She's June 30th. So she's like a young what Susie is as well. She's young. So even now, she's got a modelling job. But I obviously have to get a licence for her. And she's got to take a few days off school. But when went in they were like well legally she doesn't have to be here till she was five I know you have to get a license but she doesn't actually have to go

to school until she's five does she no I mean she was really ready to go to school but I'm so interested with homeschooling okay and I do feel like I don't know i don't know if i'll get to a point where i would pull the kids out and do the homeschooling but it's definitely something i'm interested in and obviously people you know you're going to get the same questions aren't you that people go oh well where do they socialize literally the biggest question my most asked question is about socialization but they are I mean ask any of my friends who have met them and they're literally like I know the girls yeah exactly you've met them and they're bubbly chatty confident kids but also they go to a lot of groups and we have a lot

of meetups so it's not just them at our kitchen table I think that's the biggest misconception about homeschooling is that it's you and your children sat down with books 8am 9am starting you know school for the day but that is not the case whatsoever like we're out and about in the real world mixing with other adults mixing with other kids like they have friends over all the time and they're making up dances or they do groups together they're always socializing I actually think more so than you would be in school because well saying that aurelia goes to a really big school she goes to like the biggest school in europe i think so it's six classes per year with 30 kids in each class so her school is massive and how does she does she

love it she loves it but she's really confident isn't she so she literally goes around she knows everyone like she'll go oh that person's so she literally goes around she knows everyone like she'll go oh that person's from class 19 that person's from there like she is me as a child like and growing up and now even now i'll like walk around my area and i'll know people because i went to school with them because the school's so big you're very bubbly and confident i feel like you know everybody don't you though i know everyone if i don't no i do know everyone. If I don't, no. I do know a lot of people and I am bubbly. So school was great for me. But looking back, I would have probably liked the homeschooling because I think there's certain elements of when you're at school, you know, for me, that actually sit in at the desk.

I actually saw someone, I think it must have been Brooke Vincent that put it up yesterday or someone, and it was like a kid in the class. So I've had to move your daughter because she's talking to the person next to them. This was me as a child. So I moved your daughter next to the teacher. She then started talking to the teacher. Like that was me as a child. Like I couldn't sit there and be quiet. Yeah. But I don't actually think kids are necessarily, especially from a young age, they're necessarily meant to. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? So what does a week look like for the girls?

So no week is exactly the same, but roughly on a Monday and a Tuesday, they do always go to their kind of home ed school, which is nine to five Monday to Tuesday. And that is run by ex-primary school teachers who saw not necessarily faults but they saw things that could be improved within the education system and they tried to make changes and they saw within the system they couldn't do anything it's like it's all legislative you know they can't make changes it's really difficult so they took a step back and they started the Imaginarium which is like a project based learning where it's all ages and there's no testing or anything like that.

But they go and it means they're with their friends and they're learning about the world. But with teachers, with qualified teachers. So they do that on a Monday and a Tuesday. They also have piano on a Tuesday. Then Wednesday, Ava has a math tutor. Then they do Aikido, then she does private singing. It's like a martial art. Yeah, but it's really good. Actually, they talk a lot about mindfulness and meditation within that. So it's not like karate or any of those kind of martial

arts. It's more defensive and how to stay calm in a situation, which I think in this day and age is really important. Yeah. Yeah, so they do that. And then Ava has singing and dance. And then Thursday they have tutor, art, gymnastics. But he's known like gymnastics. Is that an after school? No, so this is a home ed group. Oh, okay. Yeah, which is really good.

So I feel like there's a lot of places now that are kind of catering more to the home ed community because also there's a gap in the market for businesses if you think of like a gymnastics club what are they doing all day they've got this big open space they might as well fill it with you know it's great so you get everything done during the day i'm a taxi driver like obviously not fully but i'm taking them around to groups all the time but it means that they're yeah you do get everything done during the day as well because i guess that's what parents would feel that you know i drop my kids off at half eight yeah and they come out of three yes i get to do other stuff during the day if if someone went down the home ed route yeah you are sacrificing a bit of do you feel like you could

work and do home ed yeah I definitely I know loads of parents that do and the thing is you just because there are a lot of groups you can for example on the Monday and Tuesday they're there all day you know longer hours than they would be at school but then also you just kind of navigate it and communicate with other home ed mums so I'll take one of Ava's friends for the afternoon and then vice versa so you all just kind of help out I suppose and then take them out for the afternoon you know go to the library or wherever you end up going so you have built a community yeah and there's I mean we're really fortunate in Brighton there's a massive homemade community and I'm not even a massive part of it

because I'm not one of those like really social mums that goes and like I do make an effort but I'm also I just kind of do my own thing as well do you know I mean like we've got our friends but then yeah so the girls absolutely love it what are their thoughts in school do they ever go to oh why don't I go to school like well Ava neither of them ever did and they were really happy to homeschool but now Ava's because she would be due to start secondary in September and she's asking a lot of questions about it and I've always said if they ever asked to go to school obviously I'll let them so I don't know I don't know what the future holds well you're like Ava you need to

let me know because I've got to apply for yeah yeah yeah of course but I also feel like we just figure it out yeah but would you go down the private route or then would you go... Because again, I guess if you go down the private school route, it's a bit more open. I mean, obviously, state schools are quite... I just... My only concern with... I went to a big state school and I got really bullied and that's one of my concerns.

Do you think that's why as well that that didn't feel right at school for you? I don't know whether that's a part... Because I didn't just have a negative... You know, I don't only have negative memories of school. Who is bullying you? Girls in the year above. Honestly, they were so mean. She's so beautiful.

Look at her. Look at that beautiful face. She hates it. Yeah, I think if she went to a state school, because she's quite naive, because she isn't in the school system, she's not kind of used to lots of kids around her i don't know if she would find it quite intimidating going to a big school because she's not used to that yeah like she's quite innocent and naive for her age i think she would be like what well i guess when you that's when you sort of learn don't you because when you go to school you are having all walks of life aren't you i guess like yeah which she does also have in the homemade

community i know it's not all walks of life but there's a total mix of kids because some people say that as well they think that it's just one type of person that home educates but it's really not the case but like not to be like judgmental but people are we know we live in a society really i guess people would not think that you would look like someone who would home educate their kids do you know what i mean honestly that is do people say that to you yeah because i do don't look like the average and what is the average no i know this yes what yeah what are you meant to look like to the home ed like i feel so many different thoughts about home education and i'm really interested, like I said.

But for me, it's that my kids, sounds terrible, doesn't it? No, no, no. You know, my kids are then at school from half eight till three and I know that they're there and I know that they're studying. But for me, it's even... It's a massive thing that you don't then have to think about and you know that they're being looked after and you know that they're learning. So it's one thing, especially within... She's a reception. So she's not really like, she's having fun.

When I just went to her parents' evening, they said she likes to work her way around every activity and she's very interested in reading. But I feel like Aurelia will struggle when it comes to sitting down and concentrating and also the pressure. I feel like for me me it was the pressure of school yeah i think that's times tables have you gone home and done your homework and it's just memorizing i know someone actually and their child goes to a french school here yeah and

it's like rated like one of the best schools in our area they don't have homework there's no homework and for me i think that's brilliant because aurelian net and i do talk about bodie obviously but we're not at that stage yet of him being like into school yeah but like my kids do so many different activities i bet they do yeah so every night of the week we're here there and everywhere doing like a taxi service. Mine is Mondays. I'm literally back and forth from the gymnastics club football here, there. But she's not going to actually have time for homework because for me, I feel it's important for her to do her dance and everything.

But I don't understand why we're still doing homework at schools. Yeah, no, I don't. And I also think that I saw something the other day and it really resonated with me. And it said that if your child is failing at maths, but amazing at tennis, I would hire a tennis coach rather than a maths tutor. Because it's like, why not find that energy and put that energy into something that your child is amazing at already. And then they're going to grow rather than something that they're never going to be interested in that. Do I use any of what I from maths i mean obviously the basics but we have a calculator in our pockets now do you know what i mean and you know what that is so funny because someone said to me the other day it's not like you're gonna your teachers used to say when we were at school you know yeah you won't be walking around with a calculating pocket guess what and we've got yeah and we've got an encyclopedia we have everything now so and at schools you know they now do that no one can be a winner. So when you're doing sports day and you're doing these things that other people will excel at,

they can't no longer excel because you can't have a winner. Why can't someone be a winner? Because you are good at running. You can be the winner of that race. Like you are the top of the class at maths. So you are the winner at maths do you know what i mean because they still do the table scheme of the top top groups and everything yeah so we're doing that but yet for other things we can't yeah and i just think then that stays

with you that element of like the top group like i was never in the top group at maths and that stayed with me so i always sound rubbish at maths and i have no interest in pursuing anything to do with math so why would i then waste so much of my energy and time when i could have focused on something that i was really good at like i excelled in art and drama but i could have had so much more time to spend on those things and become much better at them than the things i'm not that interested in and i'm not saying you don't need to cover the basics of that because i believe you do to get through life in the Western world, like 100%. Well, there's things like writing an invoice or paying your mortgage. Yeah, but I didn't learn that at school.

No, this is what I'm saying. We did learn these things at school, but they're quite key things. Like how to save your money. How does a mortgage work? How do interest rates work? I'm still getting my head around that now because for me, Tom did all that. And now it's like I'm having to figure that out for me

because i guess i met tom at 19 and was like right you're in charge mate yeah um but yeah you're not told how to write an invoice i have young girls that come and work for me at k2k and we're like oh yeah can you just invoice us they're like what does an invoice look like yeah i remember googling tax return yeah but i honestly just had to Google everything. The Motherkind podcast explores how to feel happier, more confident and empowered in your motherhood, even in our world of pressure, judgment and comparison. I'm your host, Zoe Blaskiki and every week i speak to an incredible expert to share actionable steps and powerful lessons to living

your life as a mother with more joy and unapologetic confidence listen wherever you get your podcasts just search mother kind Just search Motherkind. What are the girls most interested in? Ava is performing arts, 100%. Like, she wants to eventually go to some form of drama school. So maybe she'll do that when she's a little bit older, I don't know. Why don't you audition her now for somewhere? I don no yeah if she's interesting she wants to go to school audition her for sylvia young there we go that's it yeah not homeschool anymore there's other uh theater art school that you can look into i can't just say sylvia but

you know there's loads out there for me that was the best thing I did go to performing art school because I had an interest at 11 I needed to go somewhere you went for I thought it was something like 14 that you could go to no I went at 11 that's interesting but that was the perfect place for me to go to that was my home that was my like place where I wasn't going to get into trouble because again I wouldn't have been able to but you had you were passionate about it though weren't you I think that's why I'm so mixed about the home education. Yeah. Because I really would love to do it. But I feel like I need to do a lot more research into it.

Yeah. I mean, I was thrown into the deep end with it. As I say, I didn't plan to do it. So all of a sudden it was like, oh, we're just going to take on this whole new project. But that felt really liberating and exciting. So all of a sudden take a step back. And what gonna take on this whole new project but that felt really liberating and exciting so all of a sudden what did your husband feel no he was not up for it he went to like a really top private school and he was just like nah but then all of a sudden i talked him into it and now he's like the biggest advocate and he goes around saying how proud he is and how he believes in home education and then what about obviously your dad said he

she doesn't need to be there. Yeah. What about his parents? How did they feel? Were they a bit like? Unfortunately, he lost his mum. So she wasn't around when we made that decision. And his dad is the most placid guy going.

So he didn't really. Because I bet it would be quite hard if you didn't have like grandparents on board. Yeah, my mum wasn't. What have I got to do? Some running around? It's funny because my mum wasn't like, she wasn't not on on board but she just thought it was a massive decision for us to make and she was like you're playing with your child's future here like it's not just something a decision that you make overnight and then now again she sends me reels all the time of like things that she's seen about

how great homeschooling is and stuff so I think a lot of people then come around to it when they see the freedom that the kids have and how happy and grounded they are so do you not actually teach the children so we do with certain things but there's certain that's where I was there is certain you're not good at maths and then you're having to do the maths because this is why that's the homework that's why we have tutors for maths and english because i just want them to know the basics like i don't need them to be a star student unless they want to be and then we will focus on that more but neither of them have shown a massive interest in maths and english but i do think they're subjects that you need to know the kind of bare minimum in to get by so that's

why they have tutors because i'm definitely not confident in those topics and I guess that's like a little less stress off you as well having a tutor come in yeah definitely because recently um the tutor actually said that Ava was up to date and up to speed with her peers which is amazing considering she has an English tutor once a week you know which is really good it's like because our kids are going to be doing it every single day aren't they yeah well they say, I saw something the other day and it said about the power of two hour learning. So within home education,

you can actually cram in what you would learn in a day into two hours because they get a one-on-one tuition, whether that be with you, whether that be with the tutor, we're constantly having conversations about the world and they're not having to sit and wait for an answer that may never get answered. Well answered well yeah because now thinking like you know array is in a class full

of 30 kids some kids are going to be super intelligent and love learning and want to learn but then you're also going to have them kids in the class that are a little bit oiki and muck around so it is really hard i remember even being in you look back now don't you that when you're in the class and you think i feel really sorry for the kids that were super intelligent and i just actually around i was awful at school especially i ended up going to a girl's school for the last two years after i was bullied because in year nine i was just like it was just not good for me and i could see that i was like failing everything but when i was at the mixed state school i just fuck about with my friends.

So, yeah, again, I feel really bad for the kids. You feel them people. Even in our GCSEs, I had people mucking around. And some of the kids that were set to get, like, A's and A stars came out crying their eyes out. I remember... No. Even in history.

I think I was like... I loved history. I loved it. And I was set to get a B. And then my friend really mucked around in the exam. I'm not going to name and shout. Actually, do you know what we love to hear on this show is your birth stories. Okay. So how were your births with the girls?

They were both born in hospital. I had a few complications with Ava but actually originally the I honestly feel like when I was pregnant with Ava was when I kind of started to look at parenting from an alternative way of looking at things because I always just anticipated that I would have all the pain relief I would go to hospital and just have all the vaccines, whatever they were going to have. And then when I was pregnant, somebody kind of planted the seed in my head that if you look at us ancestrally and how women have evolved, they wouldn't have had pain relief. Like we have evolved to give birth to children. This is what our bodies are supposed to do. And it really opened my eyes to the world of just well

just women in general it's like and our health it's like how have we done all these things without medical intervention so I then decided to not have pain relief with Ava but then unfortunately my placenta didn't come out so I then had to go which was really annoying because I did everything pain free she came out and then my placenta didn't come out so then I had to go and to have an operation to have it surgically removed which was quite traumatic and then Sufi was born in the water again in hospital but because I'd had the complications they wanted me to be in a hospital environment to be safe. Do you feel like you would change any of that now? I would 100% try and have a home birth if i could now that i feel so much more confident and again it's like that thing of knowing what your body is made to do

this well when i say to people i literally had gas and air with bodie that was it like a bit of gas and air stopped pushed him out yeah and then didn't even have any painkillers anything they were like i can't like that literally the midwives were like pushing me around to the wall that i was gonna have and i was like i can't believe that you've not even asked us for a paracetamol yet i'm like i'm fine i'm fine like but it's that i think we have been conditioned haven't we to yeah have all the pain relief and it's going to be painful because i did a baby shower for my friend at the weekend. And there was three other pregnant girls there. And this is their first time, their first time mums. And they were like, oh, about like the labour.

And I said, trust me, the labour is nothing. The easiest part. You've got this child that's not sleeping and doing other things. Like we're so focused, aren't we, on the birth and the labour. And I guess now. 100%. I feel like there's not enough focus on actually what happens when you all of a sudden have a baby in your arms.

The whole of my pregnancy, I was focused on hypnobirthing and all these different things to do with birth, but not actually. I hardly read into what happens when you have a baby in your arms. And literally they are either put onto the boom or whatever. And then you're like, bye. You're left to go home, you know. You're like, well, I've got to leave. I've got to leave this place.

So did you ever take the girls to nursery, preschool? Did you do that? Yes. So they, Ava went to a Buddhist nursery originally, which was really lovely. So they taught all about mindfulness. Oh, right. And they practiced meditation and sung mantras.

It was really lovely. And they taught compassion. How do you find these places? Just through word of mouth, I think. And my mum knew about, it was called lovely and they taught compassion. How do you find these places? Just through word of mouth, I think. And my mum knew about, it was called the Dharma School. They unfortunately, they sadly closed. But my mum told me about that one. And then when she left there,

she then went to a Montessori nursery as well. So she did that. And then I thought about carrying on with Montessori education, but she wasn't that happy there. So that's then when we enrolled her into regular school and then that's when it all kind of started really that's where it all happened yeah exactly it is funny isn't it the path that you're on like you like what you're saying like you do the whole hypnobirthing you're there you then have the baby then you don't even think about

you know it's only till now that I've got a regular at the school that you're like then looking at education and I think some people do some people know even before they're pregnant what that you know this the school that their kids are going to go to and that's great but that was just not me I've always gone through life almost winging it and it's like all of a sudden if something doesn't feel right in my gut that's then when I make the decision I think it's really hard when people say what about the gut feeling can you explain the gut feeling I think it's intuition like I really do I think whether it's regarding to your own health or what you eat or how you decide to raise your kids if something doesn't sit right with you you should really listen to that voice because I think we are so used to and be almost being programmed into what we're supposed to do as mothers it's like they're

born they have this they take that you do this they go here they do you know you eat this they every part of our life is kind of programmed into this system and it's only now that i've taken a step out of it that i look at the system and i'm like it's fine for some people with the certain parts and certain elements of that that i don't necessarily agree with and so i think it's quite scary as well because it's a bit of rabbit hole it's like when you take a step out of that it's like the more and more you look into it the more and more you know just as you probably were with alternative health yeah it's like the more you look into the well it, the more and more, you know, just as you probably were with alternative health. It's like the more you look into the.

Well, even look, Coral, how long have I known you for now? Like. Was it three, four years? Yeah. Yeah. But definitely before Tom got sick. And obviously you were home educating then. And I was a bit like, oh, I would have thought, not that you were weird, because that's not like.

That's not a nice word. But not weird but being like oh as if she doesn't put her kids into school like do you know what i mean that sort of feeling thinking oh my god and people probably listening to that would be like why why like the questions i question but now after everything that i've gone through with Tom I completely get it and that's why I keep saying that I'm really teetering and I think there'll be a point where I'll have to make that decision whether I keep Aurelia in school or take her out and I definitely know that that's going to come to me because I just know it but it's that gut going with your gut and I always question my gut like is it that gut feeling

is it the head the head but the thing is just as you've done throughout your journey with Tom it's like you would have looked at all the options that were given to you and you went with your gut feeling on so many of the decisions you made and it's only then when you start to look at the system that we're told to go down that you start breaking it apart and actually saying I don't agree with that so well you going into the school and you're not feeling right me and Tom being chucked into a position where it was the standard of care hasn't changed in 30 years there's something else I've got to do you having that feeling this is not right for me and my family that's brave that is really brave for you to then take that into your own hands, you know? And it is a massive decision

when you decide to step out of the system, you know? Yeah, and it's- But it's really liberating as well when you make those decisions. You feel so good. And also then you think, you know, I feel like we are all boxed, aren't we? We're all put, like we're all in this box

and sometimes you just have to break out of that box. And if you're listening to this podcast and you feel like, do you know what? There is a box and I need to break out of it. Then you need to do your research. And that's what I say with everything, that research is king. Like you-

Knowledge is power. Knowledge is power. And having to go around and, you know, finding the right place like you said that the girls have only just started the what's it called imaginarium imaginarium the imaginarium i know um they've only just started that really wonka isn't it that's what it does actually sound like so they've only just started that you like you've had to i guess go with your gut like yeah navigate your way but to me it's the same with diet it's the same with health care but also like yeah navigate your way but to me

it's the same with diet it's the same with healthcare it's like I've tried certain things and things haven't sat right and then I've just gone with makes the most sense to me and I think we're all

forever evolving aren't we yeah exactly I never say I know it all now for me what I did for Aurelia

you might not do yeah no I have done completely different for Bodhi. Oh, really? But I don't think you can have regrets, can you? You've got to be so careful because there's certain things I didn't even know with Ava and I beat myself up about it now.

Because you didn't know that at that time. And now you have learned and I have done things differently with Bodhi. Okay. People are like, what has she done differently? Do you know what? Even down to, I know your kids are all different, but I've put Bodhi into like a private preschool, whereas Aurelia just went to the local preschool.

But the private preschool has been so good for Bodhi. But the thing is, your kids are different as well. Just as you said, with Ava going to school, it might not necessarily suit Sufi. So it's amazing that you can see that in your children and think that Bodhi needs that level of attention of attention he's just he's he's confidence he's got so much better but Aurelia could go to any preschool and she'd be happy well she'd be running it wouldn't she so they've got to watch out at her school she'll be running it soon but Bodhi's not like that so he's

needed for me to guide him and even like when he goes to clubs with a radio i can literally shut the door she's in bye like but bodie i have to i mentor him more like we team talk when we're off to the club and what we're going to be doing and you know you've got to be good at football today you've got to be good with coach alex because mum can't bear to sit around the edge of the football and think what's my why is my son trying to play football with his eyes shut? Like, he was sleepwalking one week. No. No, pretending to sleepwalk.

But he... And you're like, what are you doing? He's a boundary pusher in a completely different way to a radio. But yeah, these kids are sent to try us and test us and learn. But I think it's honestly such an amazing journey. I have evolved so much as a human

since having children and I'm so grateful for that like when you first start I think it's all so daunting all the big decisions that you're going to have to make but you just do what is right at the time and as you said it's like just don't look back with any guilt because that is the worst isn't it yeah you can't look back with guilt no you've you've done it yeah and you can always change your mind with so you know not everything but certain things you can change your mind and it doesn't have to be the way you kind of initially change your mind at any time and i guess that's with with when your child is at school yeah you know if ava decides to go and cut and leaves like it doesn't really matter there's no harm in trying anything even with

your career with what you eat, it's like you don't have to label yourself as anything. I say that on my Instagram all the time. It's like, I am a homeschool mum and then I put organic beef tallow on my skin, but I still get my nails done and my lashes done. And I, you know, I shop in organic farms, but I still get Amazon parcels. It's like, you don't need to fit in this box

and you don't have to say, this is going to be my life forever. Try it. And if you don't like it, what is going to be my life forever to try it and if you don't like it what's the harm wow i feel like i needed you today carol i feel like that is a fantastic bit of advice because yeah sometimes you know you need to do you you do you i always say you do you yeah you do you bill yeah but it is true isn't it you just have to do what you're doing and focus on you and your family yeah exactly and just go with your gut and go and trust it trust that intuition the moral of this podcast is go with your gut and you do you and you do you thank you so much oh thank you

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