Mum's The Word! The Parenting Podcast - SEASON TWO WRAP: Georgia Jones & Kelsey Parker Reflect on Mum's The Word

Episode Date: July 28, 2024

On This Week's Mum's The Word:Georgia Jones & Kelsey Parker sit down together and reflect on the latest season of Mum's The WordThey'll Discuss:What the podcast has taught them about themselvesWho their favourite guests have been? What their plans are for the summer?Get In Contact With Us:Do you have a question for us? Get in touch on our Whatsapp, that's 07599927537 or email us at [e-mail] for Listening---A Create Podcast Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome back to Mums the Word, the parenting podcast. I'm Georgia Jones. And I'm Kelsey Parker. And welcome to our season two of Mums the Word wrap up. So how are you? Yeah, I've got a horrible cough guys. She's been beefer. She's been beefer. I've got a horrible cough, guys. She's been beefer.

She's been beefer. Those who saw my last podcast with Louise, you knew that I was going to Ibiza. I had the best time in Ibiza, but I'm now, you know, I'm 34. It takes a little time to get over these things. Oh, it does. My hangover is a whole weekend of her. And what's quite funny is,

so when I got back my auntie had gone away Julie we all know the famous Julie yeah so I was so upset because I was like Julie's gone away so that means I've actually got to be a parent like I've not got like my mum and Julie there for me so I literally went like the whole week was like yep we're gonna get through this I had like work stuff to do and then this week when was it this week no maybe it was last week i actually i went to sleep during the day i mean i've not done that since like i don't even think when i had the baby can you not day nap what no i don't day nap at all you know i think you're either in one of the two camps i could day nap no i can't no i went to sleep though i went to sleep for two hours in the day. Good girl. I had nothing on.

I was like, I'm going to get into bed and I'm going to chill. And then I was on my phone. I was like, I can't do this anymore and I just want to sleep for two hours. Went to sleep.

Do you think that the sun not being out is making us all really tired? Yeah, definitely. Because I said to my friend today, I was like, I think we're meant, our bodies at this time of year are meant to have like vitamin D

and because we're not getting it because it's just awful. George, don't get me started you know i send you all them texts all the time my little theorist yeah a hundred percent we need the sunshine we like and you know what even going to our beef and getting that bit of sunshine and having fun and letting my hair down and just being me like yeah honestly i was saying like before i went like i really need to go away like i really need this like i didn't realize until i got back how much i actually needed that yeah and i think we're all so worried as parents aren't we

to be like like leaving your kids and having that mum guilt and i think more for me that like when i leave them it's a big thing like bodhi said to me like two days after getting back like mum can you not die can you not die oh and I'm like oh mummy only went to Ibiza do you think that's because I left them for five days but do you think he has memory of of daddy dying then because he was only little yeah well don't know but they now know don't they that their dad's not there so when he's somebody's gone for a period of time oh and i think he's getting older like obviously where i've done like the copperfield treks and stuff he was only little when i've done them yeah i think this was the time he going away and he was that little bit older and he really missed me and he's like mommy can you not die i was like oh i can't promise you that but i'll try not to did your mom

say that he'd said anything like that while you were actually away? She said that they both just really miss me. But I don't do the whole, like, FaceTime thing when I'm away. For me, personally, each their own. I just don't do it because I think, for me, it's cruel on my kids to be like, oh, mummy's out having a good time. Like, bye.

Yeah. Do you know what? I do do it. Like, I don't do it, like,ly 8 a.m every morning when i'm away from cooper i'll do it like a couple of times in like the space of a week for instance he's not bothered is he not honestly i'm like i'm like hello are you there cooper is and then my mum or dad will just be like oh yeah he's um he's playing yeah i'm like all right cool though i think my kids are different aren't't they? Where they have lost a parent,

it is completely different. Totally. And for me, I think it's cruel. And to be honest, George, I was drunk most of the time. They'd have probably thought

mummy was dying if they'd have seen you on a FaceTime. We did FaceTime Kelsey's little boy, Albie. I don't know what, oh,

she FaceTimed Dean and then Albie was there and we were just like, drunk talking to Albie. Like, he was having the best time but in the morning i thought what was he actually saying to albie oh how old's albie four oh my god so he loved it he was buzzing that we were chatting to him but we were like albie oh and you know like when you went yeah did you have and uh no judgment here because that I'll tell you my answer in a minute. Did you have any of the like, oh God, oh no, this is awful,

leaving my babies? No. No. Okay, right, good. We're on the same page. And when people want to talk about their kids, I'm like, sorry, I absolutely love my kids and I live for my kids, but I've not come away to talk about my kids.

No, I'm having a break from being a parent. And I think everybody should do that. I just think some people are designed slightly different in that it hurts them to be away from their kids. Do you know what? I went to an event the other day. I went to a personal event. I thought you said personal.

I was like, oh, what? Personal and comfort. And there was a panel. And I really, like, I got so much out of it. They said, one of the girls said that you need that time away and you need that break and you can't be all for your kids because ultimately your kids are going to leave you one day and you're bringing your kids up to leave you. Yeah. And I thought, yeah, like, I don't. And that was when I just got back from Ibiza And I thought, yeah, like I don't.

And that was when I just got back from Ibiza. And I thought, you know what? I have no guilt. Like, why should I have? Like, we all talk about mum guilt all the time. But you shouldn't have any mum guilt. No, as long as you look after those children, you are allowed to have a break. Like, we always say this.

It's like the fill in your cup up thing, isn't it? to have a break like we always say this it's like the the fill in your cup up thing isn't it like you otherwise you're not you're you're running on like 50 if you don't recharge your batteries and i know you probably didn't quite recharge because i didn't recharge but i recharged in a different way yeah i needed to feel i felt like kelsey yeah and i don't feel for me yeah i felt like kelsey for such a long time and i think people were like why does she like keep going on about ib for like why does she love it so much like why why i'm like because you don't understand that feeling that i had when i was out there like i literally felt like kelsey parker yeah and i don't think i felt like her for so long isn't it such a nice feeling like i know

when last year i went to no actually two years, two years ago I went to a festival with my two best friends. And it was just us three, no kids, no husbands, just us three. Back like the old times when we were like 16. And honestly, it was only like three days. But I still think about that weekend now as do the other girls. Because we were completely carefree. Yeah. Living your best life.

We were living our best life. And literally, our brains, we had a day nap. I mean, partly because we were hungover, partly because we could. I think that was it. It was like the novelty. We were like, can we just lay down and not? And what was quite triggering was there was like tents around us with kids and every now and again we'd be like huh thinking someone was shouting is that my child oh no

they're not here do you know what it was getting off the plane it was getting off the plane and not having two buggies bags going can someone just help me i like i was like i had a bag i was like what even is this oh no like you feel like literally like a way it's been lifted because you haven't got as much shit with you i still always carry wet wipes though but you know what's so funny is you know like when you were in your 20s and you listen to people that are in their 30s talking about being a mom and having a break and you're like yeah yeah we are them people now we really are but luckily the people that listen to this podcast also are those people so they get it hopefully you're them people i know it's so

funny like when you think of like how your life changes and you're like oh i used to mock those people i used to mock those parents for being like oh isn't it nice to have a day off i'd be like oh all right chill out it's not that hard even that we're recording this podcast a bit later in the day god i feel like i'm gonna get off like doing half time in bed i'll just breeze back in and be like see you in the morning give you a little kiss no no oh you're already asleep what a shame oh it's terrible terrible um i've had a terrible week else why well Why? Well, we won't go into it, but it's just been a stressful one for me. And do you know what it's shown me? Is that when things aren't quite going the way you want to in life,

or something's making you upset or sad or anxious, it's quite hard to be as patient with your kids. Have you noticed? Like, honestly, Cooper was in the bath. He was doing nothing wrong, bless him. He was just, yeah, he was just, I think he just, all he did was he was brushing his teeth in the bath

and he was dribbling it all down his chest. He's in the bath, doesn't matter. The water just washed it off. But I was literally like, because I was at the end of my tether and my patience was like nothing. I shouted at him. I was like, what am I was at the end of my tether and my patience was like nothing. I shouted at him. I was like, what am I doing?

I'm taking out how other people have made me feel is now impacting my child. How bloody dare they? I know. It's so tough because like, you know, people put stuff on you as well, don't they? And they make like dramas and stuff. And like you said, I think phones are a massive part to play as well because you can't step away from it, can you? No.

You can't, like, get away from the drama. No. Because even if you don't want the drama, they're still texting you and whatever else. Yeah, it's going to be there. And then as well, if you get something, I don't know whether you get this, like, say if somebody messages you just before you go into bed riles you up and you're like oh i just wish i didn't read i hadn't read that before or like also what i do having therapy for it is take on everyone else's problems

and i know like i love doing it because i like helping people but at the same time i have to realize that there's a point where i can't do it all. I can't be everybody's therapist. Well, you're having therapy. They should pay you. Well, no. Yeah, I would like £70, please. Thank you very much. And it's difficult because it's very difficult to say to your mate, I can't.

This is too much for me right now. You have to, like, build a wall. But do you know what? I've got better at this because i'm like you and i take on everything and i had to say no to something a couple of months ago you know when i wanted to go on the trek and i had to say no and that was massive that is massive for me kelsey two three years ago would never ever have said no never said no but you have to protect yourself yeah i was meant to go on a trek for copperfield but ch Chris Helenga passed away the week before the trek happened.

And I just said, you know what? I can't go because I know that everyone's going to be in a place where I've worked so hard to not be. Of grieving. Of grieving. Of grieving. Of grieving and watching. And it's just so fresh and raw for me.

And it was cancer as well. So Chris was the person that started Copperfield, wasn't she? Because she had terminal cancer, didn't she? And I remember seeing you. It was the day, was it the day before? Yeah. It was. Or two days before.

We went to Manchester, not Manchester. We went to Birmingham and done the baby show. And I just said to you, I felt so guilty, I was like, but I can't go. Yeah. And I said, I totally get it. And anybody, anybody hearing that reason would completely understand. But that's it. That's where you've got to think about your own mental health and like your safety of it.

And like, just do something that's right for you. I actually said no to one of my best mates completely nowhere near as like bigger thing as yours was but i was so overwhelmed i had so much work on i was exhausted with parenting because i think danny had been away quite a bit i was on my own with it all and i'd said to one of my best friends that I would go back to the North to go to this party she was hosting for work. And I was like, I can't, I think I phoned my mum, I was like, I can't do it.

Oh mum, I just, I don't want to let anyone down. It's so bad though. Oh, you feel awful. I can't let people down. I tell you what, if they're the right people, they will always understand. If they are decent,

like understanding human beings that get that life can be too much for people sometimes they they will understand well i mean copperfield you know you've got giovanna like yeah most understanding i'm here for you i'm like i was so panicked about sending it to her and then i remember like you then go oh no g is like the nicest human in the whole entire world cool she'll understand like she was like kelse i'm here for you like don't be so silly yeah but i think it's because i try and be the strongest person yeah and sometimes you you can't sometimes you have to admit defeat and go yeah i just can't be strong today i think i'm due a good

cry i promise i won't do on this podcast because we are not. I feel like we're going to cry today. Imagine. I feel like he's going to be a crier. So this is obviously our wrap up of this season. Whoop whoop. Whoop whoop. I hope you guys have loved listening to us. Yeah. We're not going anywhere. We are just having a holiday.

We're just taking the summer off. Basically. Where are you going? Are you off anywhere nice? Oh, George, I can't even say it on air. I'm going, so next Friday, I go camping for 10 days. Oh, marvellous. In the UK?

In the UK. It's going to be a heatwave apparently, so let's see. Okay, fingers crossed for you, girls. If not, it's going to be, I'm going to pack a boat and I'll probably just be like. Fuck you, heartbrooks. On my rubber dinghy around the bloody campsite. Yeah, so I'm doing that. And then actually

again I would never ever have done this but I'm going to Greece for three weeks oh my gosh on your with or without kids

no with my kids okay I was going to say wow can you imagine yeah I'm just no me and the kids my mum family members

like people coming out at different times great but I'm going for three weeks because I need a break oh my gosh do you know what i actually have heard people be listening this guy like she's got ibiza now she's got in greece like who does she think she is girls do whatever the hell you want yeah

like you i mean you know better than anyone your life's for living right if you can go on those holidays you get yourself on those holidays and never ever feel guilty for it that's my motto in life if you've worked hard or you've had and you've had a shit been dealt a few shit cards just a few just treat yourself just treat yourself um we're gonna yeah where are you going we're gonna go to um greece yes we're got and then i'm doing a little staycation in Cornwall. Oh, I love Cornwall. Oh my God, I can't wait. Do you know, the last time I went was when I was like 19. I went to Newquay in January.

And we all thought it was a good idea to go surfing. It was me and a bunch of friends. Such a stupid, stupid idea. So northern. I'm such a northerner. Such a hardened northerner. And I'm not at all. Did you actually go surfing?

We actually went surfing. What, in January? In January. You are mad. Yeah. I can't even surf i mean i actually normally go to cornwall every single year this is the first year yeah because this this is why i'm doing greece because last year i went to like three different holidays forked out so much money

for going to three different places all the travel and everything i was like why don't i just go to one place um and actually where we go to in cornwall like i just love people probably don't know this about me but i just love being outdoors love like earthing and doing all this stuff so where we normally stay on uh we normally do like glamping oh do you but the guy that owns the land has like changed it all and like built all these houses like the reason that we obviously did it you open the door the kids can run free the dogs can run free and it's all like communal living yeah and now he's changed it so he's taken the magic away that we've had for like the past eight years i'm like cheers did you tell he's making a lot of money yeah it's like i know you had to live somehow but

it's annoying for us i like to earth yeah we really wanted to walk on the grass in bare feet it's annoying for us but I like to earth out yeah we really wanted to walk on the grass in bare feet dickhead I dare you I dare you to ment it

over Andy I hope you're not listening to this sorry Andy you're not really a dickhead take it back take it back so I'm looking forward to that

I'm just I'm hoping it's going to be nice weather I'm just yeah I'm fed up I always get the best tan in Cornwall do you?

yes that is my best tan and it will last for ages. It's like a deep, deep tan. Oh my God, give me some. Well, let's see. You need it. I mean, I get lost. No, I really do though.

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lies in the stories, evidence and questions shared by our devoted listeners. Will you dare to join me? Listen to Paranormal Activity with me, Yvette Fielding, wherever you get your podcasts from. Right, girls, what I want to know is, let's reflect. Reflection. On our guests that we've had on and chat about a few of them. Do you want to kick it off or should I? I'll talk about one, actually. Yeah, go on, you talk about one.

And actually, I'll talk about it because she's she's currently um announced her IVF journey so Kerry um oh god I was watching that I'm like Kerry don't do this to me I can't watch I am that person I can't watch the stuff it was just so emotional so Kerry Life with Ivy Coco who is one of my guests who's been through what like such a journey with trying for another baby she's already got one little girl did you know that me and kerry used to do swimming lessons together when we were kids when you were kids kerry's been my mate since i was we went to the same primary school yeah are you serious serious oh my god this is when me and georgia drive really high pitch sorry everybody put your earplugs in because it's only going to get more high pitch but yeah obviously she's she's just announced that she's going through ivf at the moment isn't she and

she's had had her egg retrieval done so i guess we all watch watch and wait and and it's lovely that she's sharing a story and i think that again so brave yeah so brave putting it out there because this is all she wants in the whole entire world is to have another baby and she's putting it out for everyone else to watch and i just think it's so brave of her that's when i say that this this platform so like instagram and you know the whole world of social media this is when it's a positive place and this is the people that people in that situation need to follow because it's a positive place when you follow the right people and obviously what she's going through isn't necessarily always going to be positive. But if someone's going through the same thing, it almost makes you feel less alone, doesn't it?

And like you've got somebody to kind of help you through it. Yeah, and you can watch if you're struggling. And, you know, it's now, you know, loads of people have to go through IVF and go down that route. And, you know, Kerry, she put last ivf and go down that route and yeah you know kerry's she put last night that ivy's starting secondary school but she's literally been trying that whole time since yeah she went to primary school so all that time she's been trying like it's yeah and i think kerry does it in such a good way as well like because she's got the comedy behind her too so yeah yeah she's got a good personality yeah she's got the comedy behind her too. Yeah, yeah. She's got a good personality, hasn't she?

Yeah, she's got a great personality. And it's quite, it's serious. But yeah, it's lighthearted too. Yeah, and like, you know, she's making fun of her husband. Yeah, we never see him. Of course he's trying to, I got him to show, I got Kerry to show me his face. I was like, please, can I just see what your husband looks like?

Because it kills me. On a daily basis when she posts him, but it's just his legs. I mean, he's got great legs. I want to know what he actually looks like. What kills me on a daily basis when she posts him but it's just his legs i mean he's got great legs i want to know what he actually looks like that's great that's like great instagram oh it is it is go on who did you like all of them but yeah like uh chloe lewis yeah was a raw open you know i feel like i really got the real chloe lewis on here maybe i have an art of you know getting getting what i need from people um but yeah do you know what i actually can't say like i have loved all of my guests and i feel like they've all brought so much to the table you know whether that's information or just like life experience yeah there's been a variety hasn't there i loved having my mum on oh my god do you know what i'm gonna have to have my mum on

at some point we should get them on together oh my god could you imagine maybe we'll have to go for wine first loosen them up a bit i reckon my mum would be so nervous my mum was really nervous but she absolutely smashed it but i loved having her on because my mum's that person that everyone's always gone to my mum for advice so I really loved that she came on and gave the advice. I love that you came on. You know, you even listen to her

or you don't because she's quite direct. Yes, I love a direct woman though. That was Mother's Day episode, wasn't it? I really liked as well, Kayleigh, who's DIY mum on Instagram or do-it-yourself mum on Instagram.

She taught loads about ocd and don't really saw my post the other day that i've got it as well but actually sitting and speaking to her about about it was like therapy for me what do you feel like your ocd is though what are you so so there's loads of things there's like certain things i have to say over in my head every day otherwise something bad will happen there's certain things i've got to do if i have an intrusive thought so if i think about like for instance or kelsey could fall off that chair and break her neck and die i then have to do like this special thing with my hands and say a certain thing because if i don't that will happen i can't take my rings off unless someone says to me can you take your rings off then that's fine

because someone's telling me to do it if I can't do it myself because something bad will happen it's all ridiculous well it's not ridiculous like we are you know people with OCD aren't ridiculous but I know full well that me doing that isn't gonna stop someone someone dying. But when you've got OCD, you can't rationalise it. No. You can't go get past. Anyway, I've got a doctor's appointment on Thursday to work out where we go with it. Why don't you just see my people?

Have they got crystals? No, they haven't. They haven't got crystals, but they can help you too. Are they going to give me ratchet? Not just doctors out there that can help you. Yeah, but do you know what I mean? You need to do something like that. Well, maybe I do.

You need Reiki, you need healing, you need... When we come back. I've been doing like this lifespan stuff that's been absolutely incredible for me. What's that? That like I've been seeing a, like she's a spiritual therapist, but I've been, my from for 33 years 34 years i've done like a sentence like a few like memories from each year of my life and then we get to a place where i'm not happy where i've got like i'm in a dark like a dark place yeah and then

she takes me back it's all like inner child work and then she brings that kelsey back to my house and we let her in and we say, I'm here for you. Like, don't be scared. Don't be afraid anymore. I'm here. And I feel so much better. Do you? Well, I am doing that.

Like, you know, just normal box standard therapy. Wow, this is like the therapy session. Which I think is really helping, actually. What, for your OCD? It helped kind of me realize that it was an issue but uh but then i'm obviously going to go to the doctor doctors to well this is another appointment to talk about like things we can do because i don't want to i don't want to go down any sort of medication route i want to do you know like you can do like cbt stuff and things that like

yeah and should i tell you what tapping tap in like when you do the tap in when tom first died i saw another lady called maria who's amazing and i was so scared to be in the house on my own really like even though obviously tom's been like was sick and it's not, I was probably like the man of the house anyway. Yeah. He's so good when he's saying that. But I just said like, I'm so scared. Like it's me in the house on my own. Like.

What if anything happens? What if anything happens? And we did this tap in and she, cause she said, what was like, I was like a one. I was like, I'm petrified.

Yeah. Literally did this. Georgia, I never ever even think about it. I am so happy to be in my house being my it went within seconds these thoughts really honestly i'm quite interesting to have someone like that on the podcast my head and talk to them i wonder whether there's like a mummy type one that deals with like postnatal depression and things like that there must be there must be someone like that

out there let us know if there's anybody out there that wants to come on yeah let's come on i just love it because i think you know why not try it all this you know other stuff this the tapping does work though they say to like like tap certain is it like pressure like little points yeah i mean that's just imagine that's just gonna probably make my ocd even worse yeah if i tap here that won't happen you'll happen. You'll see me in a few weeks. You'll be like, oh God, I shouldn't have told her about this happened. But talking of like our podcast experience, what do you feel like you can take away from this podcast

and, you know, what we've done over the last season? I think, do you know what? Having all the different guests on, there's no wrong or right way to parent. Everyone's doing their own thing. We all have different ways. We all have different methods and coping mechanisms. Everyone has different coping mechanisms.

Yeah, and that's it. There's no book that could tell every mum how to mum because we all do it different completely. And that's okay. That's what you've got to remember. that's okay that's what you gotta remember that's okay and also i would say to anybody that's got children starting school just remember there's going to be a lot of mums in um your kids class that don't parent the way you parent and don't let them put you down don't let them make you feel like you're an inadequate mom if you can't keep up with those emails i'm not speaking from experience here

if you can't keep up with those emails it's okay there's a lot i literally said that today i was like i need a pa for the kids emails because i can't cope i know it's a lot guys you might miss the own clothes day oh i did that's why you still got to keep up with the um emails the emails and the group chats which we're actually like contradicting ourselves but yeah just go hopefully your school will have like a whatsapp because that's where i've managed to keep up because there's like the class rep which i can honestly say i will never be able to be because i can't keep up my own life let alone the whole school's life um and they'll like let you know what's going on so if you have missed an email normally it'll pop up in the whatsapp chat no they they did it yesterday she's had to wear her pe kit for the monday to wednesday

for three days for three days pe.e kick she's got sports day tomorrow she was going i had her in a summer dress oh no and then i got the i got the whatsapp and then it was like oh yeah guys don't forget it's p.e i was like thank god for the group thank god for the group so yeah stick me you're on the mom mom i was like mommy's dealing with a lot right now mommy mommy's still hung over from my paper yeah mommy is exhausted leave me alone so what have your like highlights of this year been have you had any moments where you've just gone yeah it's been a good year do you know what i was thinking about this before i came and this is where i feel like i'm gonna get a bit emotional because i feel like this year for me i felt like when tom died that

i had an out-of-body experience and i wasn't i wasn't me for so long and like like what i said going to ibiza being healthy again actually i said the words when i was in ibiza i'm a really fucking good mum and i am my life is for my kids and i feel like this is my realization you know a radio turned five at the weekend yeah and it's been five years of like well i have preeclampsia obviously we all know that i've said it probably in every podcast i've done when i had her so that was so traumatic then obviously i fell pregnant nine months later with bodie then tom got diagnosed when i was 35 weeks pregnant yeah 18 months of just pure fight then losing tom i felt like my whole kids lives have been stress

stress and just so much pressure and through all of it i have got us through it yeah and i think for me this is reflection to go do you know what kelsey you're fucking amazing well done kel so that's it you got up you carried on and you did it yeah and if you are at home and you're fucking amazing well done kelse that's it you got up you carried on and you did it yeah and if you are at home and you're thinking i can't do it you can you can because i am here and living proof i'm living proof that you know in the darkest of times you can get through it and you can keep pushing forward and i've loved everything that's come along with the darkness because you know I am you know I'm hosting my own podcast with you like we've been to the baby show we've done these incredible things and I've got my book I'm living an incredible life without Tom but I deserve this too and I

think it's me realizing what I actually deserve and my worth. And I think that is my, what I'm taking with me today. Oh, Kat, I'm so proud of you. Like you have, you've come so far and you've done like so incredibly well. Like God knows what I would do. But I think you probably inspire a lot of women, even if it's just women that are just struggling with motherhood, full stop.

You know, if they kind of look at your journey and go, well, if Kelsey can do all that, I'm okay. I can do it. And you are okay. Oh, you are. And that's the thing. Like what I was thinking actually was that I remember when, so obviously after having Cooper i'd like i mean it

was never diagnosed because i didn't realize i was feeling that way at the time but i definitely had uh postnatal depression without a doubt for a fairly long time as well but then i reckon your ocd and that was probably part and parcel because you couldn't control what was happening because you haven't like like what i'm saying even tom passing me having out of body i think again giving birth same thing you have an out-of-body experience you think oh my god what is this child what am i doing yeah totally and i think that was it i think like i couldn't control you couldn't control it but you're what you like to control yeah i like to be completely in control have order know what's going on it makes me sound a bit boring that i'm quite she's not she is really

thank you and yeah and like i really struggle with that and then cooper went through his terrible twos and and threes and terrible threes and i was like i don't see how this is ever gonna get better i don't see how i'm ever gonna like do this well. And now he's six. And you know, when somebody asks you, oh, how's Cooper? How is it? What's he like as a kid? Honestly, and it's probably gonna sound a bit wanky.

I'm always like, do you know what? He's a really lovely little boy. Like he's doing really well. And I never thought he was gonna be that child. I never thought he was going to be that child. I never thought he was going to be a well-behaved, emotionally intelligent, sensitive, caring. What did you think he was going to be? Because he was just a terror cow.

Yeah, they have to go through that. I know. But when you do it for the first time, you're like, this is it. I've got an absolute devil child on my hands here. Is he ever going to grow out of this? And you can't see the end. That's the problem.

A lot of the time, you just can't see the end of the hard bit. Anyway, Georgie, you've got a lot more to come. Oh, God, it's the teenage years. Yeah, the teenage years. I'm just going to really, really appreciate this part. This little stitch. Just slap this bit up. Yeah, before the hormones come.

Because Cooper goes into year two. I literally can't believe I've got a child going into year two. It goes so quick. I know. It goes so quick. And I can't believe she's done a whole year of reception. No. She's year one, really?

She's year one this year. That's a game changer. So prepared for being really tired really yeah because they go from like receptions a bit of a you know dos dos yeah and then you go to year one it's like um you have to learn you can't you're not just playing yeah there's no water play now the play-doh's gone away yeah yeah and i remember coop was like mummy we're not allowed to do this anymore we're not allowed we only have one play time and i was like yeah wait so you're an adult play when they're they want yeah name reception yeah they get like choices don't they have like you know do you want to play outside do you want to do like arts and crafts nah not when they reach you you're doing

science yeah it's maths now Cooper even said to me yesterday mummy I had to do boring maths and I was like oh you're my child because I hate maths not for me and so you're gonna be doing that for a long time now you've got at least good uh Danny's the maths 12 years in you I know that's that that's the thing i'm i'm passing over the maths to danny i can do english well she says i mean when cooper talks about a bloody diagraph or a oh my god what's the diagram i still don't know some about some i don't know it's three words two three words three letters i don't even know what a letter in a word is yeah it's like wow wow yeah no learning's not for me that's why i didn't go to university podcast we're just good at talking i promise i

did do my a levels did you actually do a levels yeah what did you did you go uni no no gave up after that i was like this this learning malarkey is just not what did you do for a levels geography art and sociology but i dropped geography and sociology so did i that's brilliant that's like did you pass up yeah yeah yeah yeah fast art i was quite good at art well no i wasn't really i just thought that that's the only thing i was basically you just wasted two years yeah i did really what did you do after that? I mean, this is your life. I was a beauty therapist. Really? Yeah, I was, yeah.

And then I won Miss England, didn't I? And the rest was history. What made you go into Miss England? My mum. My mum, she was like, oh, I think you should enter this competition, darling. I was like, oh, no, mum, it's not for me. And she's like, oh, just give it a go.

And I was like, all right. But where did your mom see it in the local newspaper i love that have you ever done any pageants before no never done anything what did you actually do do you have to do an act to do miss york first and then it went to miss england yeah we have to do a talent what was your talent flower engine is that where can i watch this is there somewhere no there's absolutely no way you can? Is there somewhere I can watch this? No, there's absolutely no way you can watch it. There is, isn't there? I don't know. What year did you win?

Not telling you. Miss England, I reckon. I mean, you've got to be able to find out very easily. Don't go home and start... 2009? No, 2008. Well, seven through to eight. Don't go home and Google it, please.

When you're having your down day... Yeah, I'm going to go and be like, this is too clear. Save it google it please when you're having your down day yeah I'm gonna go and be like this is shit save it save it for that when you're feeling emotional

just be like I know what's gonna make me feel better any of you listeners as well go on go and have a watch I went to Miss World

you know did you yeah yeah I did what because you went Miss England you went to the world yeah

where was the world China wow that was an experience to say the least it was a month Yeah, I did, yeah. What, because you won Miss England? Yeah. You went to the world? Yeah. Where was the world? China. Wow. That was an experience, to say the least. It was a month. I was there for a month in China with a load of strangers who became friends, but you know. Do you still talk to the girls now? No, actually, I've not really stayed in touch with the girls. But what was weird was it was at the time where there wasn't like Instagram or anything like that there was no social media well you think back we're really steering off i just

love when you get on this i know uh is this a mum podcast blackberry messenger oh my god i had a blackberry phone did you everyone had a blackberry didn't they it was more like that one at the blackberry yeah yeah that was when you could use two fingers. Yeah. What's your BBM? What's your BBM? Oh my God, yeah. It's your BBM pin, weren't it?

Yeah. Oh, that's a blast from the past. Yeah. But yes, there was none of that. So I feel like if there'd have been all of that, we would have stayed in touch a lot better.

I do still follow some of the girls, well, still, I do follow some of the girls on Instagram now. Who won your year? Miss China. Ah. Yeah,

it kind of says it all was it fixed i'm saying nothing my lips are sealed i cannot i cannot confirm nor deny that it was a fix so has this podcast taught you anything new about yourself don Don't ever put me and Georgia in a room together. That's what it's taught me. No. I have loved doing it. And actually, standout moments is obviously when we went and done the baby show together. I think that was so good.

It was. And moments be like, do you know what? We've smashed it, George. Yeah. Do you know what? I always feel like that about moments like that. You don't massively, massively like appreciate the time no when we was there

I didn't think anything of it and then when I came back and I watched the footage I was like we have just been at the baby show doing our podcast

that we started live on stage like it was a pinch me moment yeah and like that's the thing it's like I never thought

in a million years when I was like what a 14 year old girl when she was doing Miss World years when I was like, what, a 14-year-old girl. When you did Miss World. Yeah, when I was in Miss World. You'd be sat on Mum's The Word and Kelsey Parker. I'd be a mother.

I'd be a co-host with Kelsey. I'd be going and doing a live podcast at the baby show. Like, cheers to us, Kelsey. Cheers to us. Do you know what? We actually should have had like a glass of wine or something. Oh, champagne. That was our water cloning together. Dom, can can i just say you've let us down here because you should have brought us in some

champagne he's just been far too busy off watching the euros hasn't he he doesn't care about us i feel like i feel like our producer dom should maybe have a little say every now and again yeah just tom's opinion dipping on the microphone what has this podcast taught you about yourself oh do you know what i think it's just actually taught me a lot maybe not so much about me well no it did like the ocd thing taught me a lot about myself when i've had therapists on it's taught me a lot like i feel like i've learned lots of little things from all the different guests especially the ones that are like specialists in things like marie the very first

guest she was incredible like she was a behavioral expert and at that point cooper you know there was a lot i was very interested in with cooper he's come on so much he's come on so much and she helped she like it was so interesting i also found i don't know whether you did too but when you go off air the conversation carries on for a good like 10 more minutes and you're like and then what and so what about this and can i ask you a few personal questions about like my child and what do you think to this yeah especially like if you're on the zooms and that i'll be like right can you can they just stay on for a little bit longer dom because i actually want to talk to them like ask them some questions yeah i know we said

30 to 45 minutes but can you just hang around for a little bit longer please i love like see i had jojo one she was very deep and spiritual and i feel like I sort of draw that out of people as well. Yeah. Have you drawn it out of me yet, Kels? Not just yet. She's going to grind me down. I'm going to grind her down. Next time you see me, I'm going to have all my crystals lined up in front of me.

I'm actually not wearing any crystals today. I'm crystal-less. I think as well that actually listening, I think for me, doing this podcast, it gives me time to listen to people. Yeah. In a busy world that we live in, you take and you take like what you're saying you take from every guest that you have on yeah and it is like therapy in itself I find every guest I always I never come away from

doing a mum's the word podcast recording feeling down I always come away feeling uplifted or a clearer mind you know a clearer mind or like really happy about something like it's always a positive experience even if someone's coming on to talk about something negative or something that's like you know not gone well in their life it's just hearing those stories kind of like makes you put it puts your life into perspective doesn't it definitely completely um so we are coming back we're not going anywhere we can't wait to come back we just need to get some sun on our skins have a bit of sleep go to secret locations go to secret locations in greece where nobody knows do a bit of glamping where no one knows danny from oh don't because what happens is he goes he goes oh just what you know i want to relax and and

whatever on holiday and then he'll get recognized and he'll go oh i've been recognized then he spends the whole week with those people i'm like i thought you didn't want to be recognized he's like yeah but they're really nice and i forget the one time i'd gone up and got ready for dinner and he was like oh i'll come and meet you up in a bit he was in the pool bar with someone that had recognized him he came up so drunk that he had to go to bed and couldn't go to dinner so yeah so that's why i'm being secret about where i'm going yeah no one talked to anyone goes and they happen to be at the same location do not talk to them always come and talk to us we're very friendly couple try to be no we try to yeah we are so kels this is it i'll see you in

september i'll see you in september and yeah listeners thank you keep tuning in keep listening to us do you remember our outro so I've been Georgia Jones and I've been Kelsey Parker and this has been Mum's the Word