Murder 101 - An Update

Episode Date: March 27, 2024

Alex speaks with KT Studios producer, Andrew Aronow on current day updates after the podcast. They speak on what the students are up to now and two major updates in the case.    Follow us on Instagram @kt_studiosSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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built a company out of lies, deceit, and greed. I've been saying since a very young age that I. Listen to Creating a Con, the story of Bitcoin, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or whereverers in Hollywood are as old as the Hollywood sign itself. And while fame is the ultimate prize in Tinseltown, underneath it lies a shroud of mystery. Binge this season of Variety Confidential from Variety, Hollywood's number one entertainment news source and iHeart podcasts. Six episodes are waiting for you right now to dive into the secret history of the casting couch to explore the scandalous history of Hollywood's casting process. Listen to Variety Confidential on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A group of high school students, high school students, high school students started a project to research a string of unsolved murders. Their research led to the identification of the killer. Investigators now have an answer to a 34-year-old question.

Once you start getting a few tips or a few leads or a few identifications, then the cold case isn't so cold anymore. There's a pretty good chance he's still alive. Everything that the students predicted through their profile turned out to be accurate. Redhead Killer Profile Male Caucasian 5'9"-6'2", 180-270 pounds Unstable home Absent father and a domineering mother Right handed IQ above 100 Most likely heterosexual There is no profile of this killer except for the ones the students created. Just because some of these women no longer have people to speak for them

does not mean that they deserve to not be spoken for. What if this guy's still alive? Like, what if he comes after us? I said, are you going to kill me? And he said, yes. I'm Alex Campbell, one of the hosts for Murder 101, and you're listening to Episode 12, Roundtable Update. This is a conversation with producer Andrew Arno and myself about a recent discovery on the case and a quick update to what my students are up to now.

It's a good thing you called, because I got the craziest story you've ever heard. I just found out something about this related to this case. It'll just boggle your mind. I don't even know everything about it. I mean, I literally just found out minutes ago. Let's hear it. I'm excited. So at the end of July, the TBI identified what used to be called the Cheatham County Jane Doe of 1985. So now we know she is Michelle Inman. So that is a recent development. And then I literally just found this a few minutes ago,

but Michelle Inman married, when she was 15, a guy named Ricky Lynn Kelly, which probably doesn't mean much to you, and it wouldn't have meant anything to me until I just figured out who he was. until I just figured out who he was. So he, in 1978, was part of a plot to blow up the Percy Priest Dam, which is what holds the river back in Nashville, Tennessee. Oh, wow. 150 pounds of dynamite blew up the dam, but it was not nearly enough dynamite to make it fail. But their plan was to flood all of downtown Nashville. They thought they could kill half the population of Nashville,

and their goal was to go around after the destruction and loot all these businesses downstairs. I mean, downtown. So they wanted to wipe out half of the city just to loot buildings? Yes. So they blew up 150 pounds, but that wasn't nearly enough. So they had already acquired, or they were trying to acquire, 650 pounds, and they were going to try to blow it up again. But I think what happened, I just read this a second ago, I think one of the guys tried to sell some

of the dynamite. It ended up being an undercover FBI agent. And anyway, so they got caught before they blew it, tried to blow it up again. So at 15, that's who she married. Wow, that's wild. Do you know anything else about her? Well, a little bit. So he went to prison in 1979. I'm still trying to figure out, you know, how long he was in prison and all that. But it seems like she was going by Inman again after he went to prison. So I don't know if the marriage was, you know, like officially dissolved, divorced or whatever. She ends up in a relationship with this guy named Anthony Bradshaw. And she actually went to see him when he was in the Nashville County Jail.

And she signed in as Mrs. Michelle Bradshaw, even though they can't find an official marriage document. So she was probably posing as his wife so they would let her in. She's about 18 at this time. Anyway, he must get out of jail, I guess. And yeah, he's probably out of jail. And in 1984, they were both charged with extortion and obstruction of justice against the guy. So that's the last thing we really have of her is December 1984. Her body was found March 31st, 1985, and she had been dead for a while. Let

me see. Let's see if I can find it real quick, like how long she had been dead. It was months probably. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, that's wild. It's weird that a victim has their own crazy criminal history too. It does. It really does. And it's like that with some of the other victims too. Anyway, she had been dead for a while, a long while. So she probably, I don't really know, like if she says they were charged with this obstruction of justice and extortion

in december the 18th 1984 if she was found on march 31st and she had been dead for months then it wasn't much longer much long after december the 18th 1984 when she was charged with that crime that she would have probably gone missing and ended up dead. Wow. And so that's interesting now because, you know, she has a habit of hanging out with some pretty unsavory characters. And so what does that mean about other people, you know, possibly being involved?

But also, interesting thing iserry johns he was in jail so he was in jail on march the 6th for the attempted murder of lynn so they find her body while he's in jail the tbi asked him they had previously asked him have you been where any of these women have been killed and jerry john said yeah, I've been where all the bodies have been found, but I'm a trucker and I drive around a lot. So that don't mean I did it. That was his response. And then they go to him again after they find this body and they say, well, she would have died, you know, a couple months back. Would you have been, you know, in the Nashville area where she was found at the time that she would have been dumped out? And he said, well, yeah, I was there. She about the time when she

was dumped out, but I didn't do it. Weird. So, I mean, he admitted he was where everybody was. And in this one case, he even admitted that he was there when the body would have been dumped out. So, wow, it's just it's just a really crazy case, you know? Yeah, I mean, it's just like the twists and turns keep on coming, huh? There was another Cheatham County Jane Doe in 1981. Michelle Inman was known as the Cheatham County Jane Doe in 1985. So there was another one from 81 that we weren't really sure if she kind of matched the mo the signature of the bible belt strangler because she was found a few miles away from the interstate uh near like a trash uh i think it was the landfill or something there were some hunters that were near that area that that

found this body she was identified just like the other day, August 16th. So she was identified actually last month. Yeah, so the Cheatham County, before we even began to look at her case to see if she might be related, because we had not heard about this one until a few months ago. Anyway, they identified her, and she was a 15-year-old named Linda Sue Carnes, and she was actually at a youth home, and Collins. And she was actually at a youth home. And she evidently had run away from the youth home. And then she was found a few miles away. She had been dead for a while.

A matter of fact, they don't even know exactly when she was dead, when she was killed. I mean, so do they think now that it's related to Jerry Johns? Well, I don't know. They're releasing nothing. But this is the interesting part. They just said, you know, in the old, before even they identified her, they had said they thought it was a murder. Now, they didn't say why.

But that tells me that they just didn't find, like, a bone laying out there. Now, they didn't say why, but that tells me that they just didn't find a bone laying out there. Oh, interesting. Well, I mean, or does that tell you that they have a suspect who's still alive, so they didn't want to release anything? I don't think so. What I think is the way her body was found, or what was found with it know, something that was done to the body made them think this wasn't an accident. So, you know, that could be a lot of things. That could be a ligature around her neck. That could be a bullet hole. That could be some type of, you know, bunch of broken bones, you know, something like that, that showed there was some type of violence that happened. That's what I think it was. Maybe she was found in a trash bag, something like that, where even though she was severely decomposed,

that there would be something that would tell them this was probably not an accident. So that's the way I took it. Well, they were saying it was most likely a suspected homicide, I think is how they worded it but they are asking for help you know if anybody you know recognizes her or anything like that uh remembered anything to let them know but the interesting part is uh in the tbi press release they don't mention anything about where she lived where she was from where she was last seen i don't even think they gave her age so they say, oh, we really need your help identifying this girl. And so if you remember anything about this

girl, here's her name, let us know. But they didn't say anything about where she was living, where she had been. So actually DNA solves.com probably has done the best job in getting out information about her. They actually put a picture out, which I don't even know if CVI did that. They have a colored picture of her and have a lot of information about where she was born, where she was living, which girl's home she had actually been in, stuff like that. That's really helpful information. Yeah. I mean, that's the kind of thing that jogs people's memory. Yeah. I mean, people say, oh yeah, I grew up there. Oh yeah. I remember the youth home. We lived down the road and that's the kind of thing that jogs people's memory. Yeah. I mean, people say, oh, yeah, I grew up there. Oh, yeah, I remember the youth home. We lived down the road.

And that's the kind of thing that helps people. So I was a little surprised when they didn't release. Well, maybe I wasn't surprised. The TBI plays things close to the vest. As far as an investigating agency goes, that's just kind of their pattern. So maybe I wasn't super surprised, but that is the kind of thing that helps to jog people's memories. I wasn't super surprised, but that is the kind of thing that helps to jog people's memories. So I hope the information is getting out in some way to help people maybe remember something about that.

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Murder 101. What happened was Tennessee, the Tennessee Bureau of Investigations, got a grant of $100,000, and this grant was to do genetic genealogies. So I think that was enough money to do 11 Jane or John Does in the state. So they have been submitting these, and I think they've gotten four of those back and actually figured out who they are. I think two were men and then these two women here. actually figured out who they are. I think two were being and then these two women here. So as far as the victims related that we feel are related to our

case, all the ones in the state of Tennessee have now been identified. There is one more known as the Robertson County Jane Doe. Again, that's when we just found out about Robertson County is the county right beside Cheatham County. These are all kind of around Nashville. They all have a major interstate, a different major interstate that runs through them. And all of these bodies were found in a close proximity to the interstate. Linda Sukarn, she was found a few miles away from the interstate. The other two were found right on the interstate. So we are very interested in the Robertson County Jane Doe. But again,

we haven't really began to even go through that. And there's a few reasons why. I spoke with a detective in charge of that case, and he said that they originally thought it was a female, but now after some testing, they had been told it was a male because it was only like parts of skull and parts of bones. Right. It's a lot harder to identify. But when I looked online, it actually said that they had originally thought it was a man. And now they, after some testing, they thought it was a woman. And when I told him that, he said, wow, like I always thought it was the other way. So he wasn't even aware that right now they were saying this was a female.

way. So he wasn't even aware that right now they were saying this was a female. So the only way to really clear this up is to work with the anthropology department at the University of Tennessee. They have her body. And so they actually have the name of the doctor who's in charge of that case. He said when, if he got time, he would try to contact them. I told him I would do it. He said, if you want to try it. So I actually have emailed multiple times and called multiple times to both the doctor and the secretary who's in charge of that department. And I have gotten zero response from any of the people who are supposed to be in charge of that. Interesting. also told that that was not unusual. There's other people that have tried to work with them, and they say sometimes it's just nearly impossible to get somebody to answer back. So we don't even know if that's a male or a female, but it appears that it's actually a female. So we need to investigate a little more in that case. And this is even more, if this is possible, it's even more outlandish than the last one, is that

one of the surviving victims sent me some newspaper clippings that she started to keep after she was attacked. And she actually had a case there from Cocke County, Tennessee. case there from Cocke County, Tennessee. So she actually had this newspaper clipping, and it said that they had found a redheaded victim beside the interstate there. And so I couldn't find anything on it. It had been months and months. And they actually, in the story, it said they thought it was a woman who was missing from Cocke County, but they checked the general records and it was not her. So they didn't know who this person was. And it was the sheriff speaking to the newspaper in this story. So I couldn't find her as far as like a Jane Doe or anything. So I called the sheriff and the

sheriff said he had never heard of this. So he said he would check around. He would talk to some people. He'd look and he said that they didn't have anything on this in their records, which is unusual. Calk County is a very rural county. They probably average about one murder a year and they have a dead person beside the road and they had her for going on a year they had been checking dental records i mean there's stories in the newspaper about it and yet there's no record at the sheriff's office so anyway he's been helpful the sheriff he tried to contact uh i believe like the chief deputy at the time and he was trying to get a hold of him to see if he knew anything about it, but he said he was having

difficulty contacting him. And so there's another redheaded victim found beside an interstate in East Tennessee at about the right time. However, there's no record of this murder. And so the thing that gets me is in America, just a few decades ago, you could be murdered and there would be no evidence of it a few decades later. Like, I don't understand how that happens. Yeah, that doesn't really make any sense. Something else interesting was when I talked to some detectives down there, he said, well, that's crazy. And I sent him the, he said, can you send me the newspaper story? I said, sure. So I sent it to him, and he said that he had never heard

of that either. He would look into it, and he said that what, you know, an older cop or somebody he had talked to told him is they thought this person was actually, it's near the state line with North Carolina, and actually she was found like, I don't know, two miles or something from the state line, so it's pretty close, and he said that what he was told was that they believed that she was from the North Carolina side and the murder happened there. And, you know, she was probably dumped on their side. But when I called, there's only three agencies that would really be kind of close on the North Carolina side. I called every one of them and talked to the most likely one, the ones right across the border. And she said that she didn't have anything on it either.

And she told me she actually took the time to explain to me that's not how it works. She said, you don't find the dead body in your county and then figure out that maybe they were killed in another county, but you don't have any records. You would still have the record of finding the body, who investigated it, you know, what they did. And then even if you did believe it happened in another city or another county or another state, that you would put something in there that, you know, this is now going to be handled by, you know, another agency. But like those records wouldn't disappear.

That's awfully suspicious. Yes. And so that's when I called, I said, I'm just going to call the sheriff. It's so funny that our school resource officer here at the time, uh, when he went to the Academy, actually the sheriff from that County was one of his training officers. And I was just talking to the resource officer about it. And he said, man, he's a really nice guy. He said, you know, I think if you called him, he'd probably talk to you. So he has been, he's been very nice. He's tried to help, but it's just, it's interesting that there's no records even, I mean, where's the body stored? You know,

what, like they were comparing dental records. The sheriff at that time knew about it. Of course, he's dead now. Yeah. So clearly they have to have something. Yeah. And so I asked him, I said, where do you think the body is? And he said he assumed that it was at the University of Tennessee Anthropology Center because that's where all those bodies went. And of course, we're never going to get an answer from them about if they even have the body. And this all goes back to what a TBI detective who worked on the Redhead murders case back in the 80s told me, or Shane Waters, when we were looking into this years ago, five, six years ago. He said, there's other victims out there and you will never find them because he said he experienced that as a detective. And he said, you're just never going to find them.

So this is maybe just one of those examples. Let's stop here for another quick break. Bring a little optimism into your life with The Bright Side, a new kind of daily podcast from Hello Sunshine. Hosted by me, Danielle Robay. And me, Simone Boyce. Every weekday, we're bringing you conversations about culture, the latest trends, inspiration, and so much more.

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It was going to change the world. Until it didn't. I came into my office, opened my email, and the subject heading was FBI request. It was only a matter of time before the truth came out. You can only fake it till you make it for so long before they find out that your Harvard degree is not so crimson. How could you sit there and do something that you know will objectively cause more harm in the world?

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Listen to Variety Confidential on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Murder 101. I wonder if you, do you have any of those students who worked on the original project who are at the university? And they can go check, show up in person. I feel like that's the only way sometimes to get answers. I actually have a student who was on that, that case. She might've even been interviewed for the show, but yeah, I think you did. And she's down there and I need to reach out to her because she's down there and she's, she's a, she's a very competent, she's a wonderful young lady. I could just see her going down there and saying, Hey,

we need to have a talk. You know, what's going on with the girls? What's going on with you since, you know, since we last chatted? So the girls are, well, Riley, I think people know that she was injured over the summer, very sadly, in basketball camp. So she's probably not going to be able to play any basketball this year. Oh, man. And this was her senior year. You know, she was really looking forward to that. And I know that's troubling.

That's hard on a young lady. You know, she's, she's doing a lot of studies at home. She's got a lot of dual enrollment classes and things like that. So, but the girls are doing good, you know, and they're just, they're senior year and they're making good grades and they're doing all that. You know, I do have my sociology class back and we are doing some really good work. The first part of the work was really just to look at Jerry Johns and research to see, you know, if he did kill all these women, then that makes him a serial killer. And it also makes him probably an organized serial killer. And they have a, for example, they have a family history.

They're going to have a job history that kind of fits this mold. And so the first part they did was we have about six detectives who are working with us, and they have agreed to be kind of like mentors to the students. And so the groups actually looked at the different parts. For example, you would have to have to be a serial killer. You have to have antisocial personality disorder to be an organized killer. You're going to have a certain type of family history. You'll be a narcissist, those type things. So in order to keep Jerry Johns as the prime suspect, we needed to get information back from detectives if they agreed with us that he did fit all these things he would need to fit to be the Bible Belt Strangler. And the detectives after the presentation agreed that yes, the students had found plenty of evidence to convince them that he did have antisocial personality disorder. He did have the family history of a serial killer. He did have narcissistic personality disorder, etc. So that was the first part. The part we're doing now,

because we're still working with Scott Barker, who's now the retired FBI behavior analyst, and he told us that he wanted to see the victimology. So basically, look at the victims. When you look at the victims, it should lead you to things like a timeline, geography, historical time periods, and culture. historical time periods and culture. And so right now, the students are going to be presenting that here in about a week or so to the detectives again to see if it does appear that the victimology would link him to all of these victims. So then the third part, which they'll be working on for like the next month, like October-ish, is we saw some cases where billboards helped solve some very cold, you know, murders. And you're probably familiar, many people are probably familiar with those. So one case in particular was a father whose

daughter was killed and, you know, had gone cold and they tried to do everything they could do. And so he actually went to a billboard company and said, let me tell you about my daughter. Let me tell you about the promise I made to her. And I told him, even if the cops couldn't keep going or didn't have the resources, like I was going to continue. And so he says, look, we do have a drawing of a person that we think could be involved and maybe a vehicle. of a person that we think could be involved and maybe a vehicle.

So he said, you know, could I buy a billboard and just put the person, the drawing, and then maybe like this car and just see if we get any hits. And I'd like to know how much a billboard is. And so the company said, you can't buy a billboard from us, but we will donate one. And I think this case was actually like in the Midwest, like Kansas or Oklahoma or something. Can you believe the guy was living in like Connecticut or something? And somebody saw the billboard and said, hey, I think I know that guy. And sure enough, they solved the case. This is kind of a famous case.

The girl was killed as she worked at a swimming pool. Allie Kemp, that was her name. So Allie Kemp was the one who was killed, and her dad was Roger. And let's see, they were, she was in Kansas. She was in Kansas. So anyway, the students saw it, and they said, Mr. Campbell, has there ever been any billboards or anything to try to help generate some interest?

And I was like, you know what? As far as i know there never has been and i said look i don't i don't think that's ever been tried and so they said can you get us a meeting with a billboard executive or something and so i said let's try it so i reached out to a billboard company a national billboard company who does have billboards in all the areas where the victims were found. And so they're going to be presenting to some executives from the billboard company, and they're going to be telling the story of their victims. So just like the father said, let me tell you a story about my daughter and what happened. What I wanted the students to learn from that was that these women,

although many of them had difficult lives and they were involved in a lifestyle at the time that obviously was difficult and maybe contributed to the difficult situation they were being put in. They were somebody's kid, right? They were somebody's mom. They had good times in their life. This was the low point of their life, I'm sure. And so they said, Mr. Campbell, we would like to just present about who these women are. That although, yes, they might've been a runaway or yes, they might've struggled with addiction or yes, they might've been in sex trade. These were still women. These were still children, some of them, young women, and they still have people

that love them. So I said, sure, I'll call an executive and we'll get in the room and I'll let you tell them about your victims. And you know what, if they say a billboard maybe or a reduced price on a billboard or something, we'll just see what happens. So they're going to be telling that story to those executives here in about another month or so. I think that's a terrific idea. Yeah, so they're excited about it. I think if one thing teenagers get, it's kind of like being judged and being, I mean, you know, because, you know, there's a lot of peer pressure and social media these days and friends in school. And they're judged on a lot of things, looks and hairstyle and cars and how they talk.

And I think they really get that. And that some of these women that they were just judged, I mean, well, the problem is they're frozen in time, right? They were killed at the lowest point of their life. And so because of that, they never had a chance to recover or to get out of that lifestyle and move on. So they've been frozen in this time period where they were at the low point of their life.

And, you know, so that's how they're always going to be remembered. For example, Lisa Nichols, when she was killed and they identified her, this was in the 80s, and they went to the detectives and they said, man, tell us who Lisa Nichols is. And although Lisa Nichols had children and brothers and sisters and mom and dad and all this other stuff, the guy said, oh, we know who Lisa Nichols is. She has the second longest prostitution record in the state. And that is kind of and another detective said to say she has a drug problem is to say like my car has a gas problem. So, you know, the students see these things.

They understand how they get labeled and that's how they kind of continue on. But they wanted to show like the totality of the person that they were. So I'm excited about that work. And then we plan, we hope to present a case after Riley and Marley presented to the former assistant DA and the homicide detective and stuff last spring, they really felt the case that Jerry Johns probably killed Elizabeth Lamott, the Greene County Jane Doe, was really strong. They felt that was maybe the strongest case because of some of the evidence that we had

uncovered. So I think what we're going to try to do is present that to somebody who is in charge of that prosecution and all we can do is present the evidence we have and if they want to go back to the police and say is this true did you really have that can we look at this again you know at least it's on them to do that so maybe somebody in the da's office you know in green county that that's what we're hoping to do wow that's amazing you you really got a lot done and these kids are working on such like rewarding amazing projects i agree and that is so much better than me standing up here talking about it.

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