Murder With My Husband - 105. The Freeway Phantom Murders

Episode Date: March 28, 2022

On this episode of MWMH, Payton and Garrett discuss the unsolved murders of 6 victims during the 1970’s. LIVE ONLINE SHOW TICKETS HERE! https://www.moment.co/murderwithmyhusband Case Sources: ...Freeway Phantom - Wikipedia  “Freeway Phantom” Homicide Victims | mpdc  The Freeway Phantom — Unresolved  01 Apr 1974, Page 14 - The Morning Herald at Newspapers.com  Case 121: The Freeway Phantom - Casefile: True Crime Podcast (casefilepodcast.com)  https://casefilepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Case-121-The-Freeway-Phantom-map.pdf  https://www.wikitree.com/  https://www.findagrave.com/   KILLINGS UNSOLVED 25 YEARS LATER - The Washington Post  Unsolved DC murders still haunt families | wusa9.com  Tantamount: The Pursuit of the Freeway Phantom Serial Killer - Blaine L. Pardoe, Victoria R. Hester - Google Books  Six black girls were brutally murdered in the early ’70s. Why was this case never solved? - The Washington Post  Freeway Phantom – Notes From The Bunker (wordpress.com)  Informing injustice: The disturbing use of jailhouse informants (innocenceproject.org)  The Rarity of “Unusual” Dispositions of Victim Bodies: Staging and Posing (researchgate.net)   Crime Scene Staging | Encyclopedia.com  Links:  https://linktr.ee/murderwithmyhusband  Ads: Just Thrive: www.justthrivehealth.com use code HUSBAND True Bill: www.truebill.com/husband Betterhelp: www.betterhelp.com/husband Pretty Litter: www.prettylitter.com use code HUSBAND Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey everybody welcome back to our podcast. This is Murder with my husband. I'm Peyton Moreland. And I'm Garrett Moreland. And he's the husband. I'm the husband. Alright, this week we're jumping right into Garrett's 10 seconds. Look at me, I'm all special today. Let's see what's been going on. Well, I got a haircut today. But you can't see it. But you can't see it. Because I had on. Sometimes it's just, it's just too hard to do your hair. Yeah. You know, girls just don't understand. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I know. Such a struggle for you boys.
Starting point is 00:00:28 No, I'm just kidding. But, yeah, I got a haircut today. And we are actually Thursday. We're going to a podcast conference. So we're kind of excited about that. Yeah, I'm really excited. That'll be pretty fun. We're supposed to be like speaking.
Starting point is 00:00:41 So I guess we'll see how that goes. Yeah, we'll keep you guys a panel. See how that goes. That'll be pretty cool. Yeah, we'll keep you guys updated on our social media though, because I think we there should be some other podcasters there than that will be fun. I've been doing some more modifications to my truck. Oh, yeah, not yet, but I've been buying stuff. So if anyone wants to see that, I mean, I'll probably post it in like a couple weeks when everything's done on my Instagram. You don't have to come watch, but you should. Other than that, we've kind of just been, we've been busy this week just, we were traveling,
Starting point is 00:01:12 visiting some family. And now, here we are recording. And then we leave in a day or two. Mm-hmm. Back to back to back. Back to back to back. So, that's my 10 seconds. So, I guess what has happened to the episode today.
Starting point is 00:01:24 Great. Yeah, Let's go. So our case sources are mpdc.com unresolved.com and then case file podcasts actually did a great in depth episode on this and that was amazing if you want to check it out. Wikipedia WikiTree.com find a grave.com the Washington Post W USA wiki tree.com findagrave.com the Washington Post W USA 9.com. And there's actually a book written on this that I use to get some research from the Innocence Project.org research gate.net and encyclopedia.com. Okay. All right. So from April 1971 to September 1972 six young black girls all around the same age were abducted from their own neighborhoods and then murdered in Washington, D.C. All of their bodies were found in both the District of Columbia and Prince George's County,
Starting point is 00:02:16 Maryland. Despite there being six victims, an obvious serial killer and all the girls identified, these murders have still gone unsolved. A serial killer roaming free after brutally abducting and killing six young girls. Until this day. Until this day. The media had dubbed this unknown serial killer as the Freeway Phantom. And in hopes of raising awareness, sparking interest and honoring the victims,
Starting point is 00:02:46 I'm going to tell you the story of the freeway phantom murders today. Now I want to note before we start that I will be referring to the victims race in this story as black because I'm not able to find or ask if they are African-American. And I know that black and African-American are not always interchangeable. So as a default, I will be using black to describe the race. So our case begins on April 21, 1971. Carol Denise Spinks lived at 1058 Whaler Place and was in the seventh grade at Johnson, Jr. High School. Carol was actually one of eight children, and her siblings
Starting point is 00:03:26 all called her baby instead of Carol. In an article from 2019 by People magazine, Carol Sisters, Carol and Morris and Evander Spinks remembered that young Carol loved to play Jacks and Hula Hoops. She was just very fun to be around. So that night, April 21st, 1971, Carol's mother, Alentine decided to visit an aunt in Brentwood, which is in Maryland, and that was leaving Carol and her younger siblings home alone for the night. And they were instructed to stay inside the home,
Starting point is 00:04:01 and they were absolutely to go nowhere while their mom was out. Carol's 24-year-old sister Valerie actually lived in the same apartment complex as her family just in a different apartment because she's 24. And so there were adults nearby a sister right next door if the kids needed help. But despite the rules, after Alainteam left, sources say that Carol was asked by her older sister Valerie to walk down to the 7-11 on Wheeler Road and buy some snacks for the night.
Starting point is 00:04:33 The 7-11 was only four blocks away and they had made this walk many times before. They all actually wanted five TV dinners, some bread, and some soda. So Carol decided to quickly begin the trek to 7-11, and according to the case file episode on this case, she actually ran into her mother on the way to the 7-11, the mother who just told her not to leave the house. So her mom obviously said, don't leave the apartment, and then she runs into her while sneaking over to the 7 11 when Carol explained what she was doing and that her older
Starting point is 00:05:09 sister Valerie had just sent her. Allentine, her mother was like, okay, hurry along and go grab this stuff, but you are still in trouble and go home after and do not leave the house until I'm home. Allentine says goodbye to her daughter and then continues on with her night as Carol continues on her journey to the gas station. You know, I was thinking about it a six minute walk. Is that what you said? Four blocks away. Four blocks away. Okay, that's that's not far. It's not far at all. Yeah. But as the time passes and Carol is taking longer and longer than what you're saying, four blocks should take than what you're saying four blocks should take. Valerie, the older sister, begins to worry.
Starting point is 00:05:46 Then slowly, it's been three painful hours since Carol originally left for the 7-11, four blocks away, and she still hasn't come home. By this point, Valerie has alerted friends and family and everyone in the complex begins searching for her, tracking the way to the 7-11 and home. Family actually contacted the 7-11 and asked if Carol had been there and the employees
Starting point is 00:06:12 informed them that yes, they had seen a girl matching Carol's description in the store earlier that night around 7-40 pm. This confirms to her family that she had in fact made it to the 7-11 after running into her mom. So what happened on her way home? Where was she? As there is no sign of Carol on the route to 7-11 and she's now been missing for hours, Alentine decided to call the police and report Carol missing. As police begin the investigation into Carol's disappearance, they discover that the last time she had been seen was leaving the 7-11 that night with grocery bags in her hand. It was actually a teenager and her mother who
Starting point is 00:06:53 noticed Carol walking back home and they told police. Around 40 members from the community and the whole Spinks family continued searching the surrounding area for days and knocked on anyone and everyone's door, but still there was no sign or clue as to where young Carol was. As the search continued on, something was discovered on May 1st, 1971, 10 days after Carol went missing. Around 2.46 pm, a group of children were playing near a grassy embankment behind St. Elizabeth's hospital, which was located next to the northbound lanes of Interstate 295. The embankment was about a mile and a half away from Carol's home, so not far. One of the children wandered away from the
Starting point is 00:07:40 group and accidentally stumbled across something laying in the embankment. The young child called over their friends, but no one would get close enough to see what it actually was. They all ran back up to the road and actually eventually flagged down a passing police car to tell them about the strange thing laying down in the embankment. The police man made his way down to the area and confirmed his worst fears. It was the body of a young girl, the body of missing Carol Spinks. Carol had been strangled and sexually assaulted. She had cuts to her face, neck, chest, and both hands as well as a bloody nose.
Starting point is 00:08:20 She was definitely beaten. Police actually found green synthetic fibers on Carol's clothing. And while she was completely dressed when she was found, Carol was missing her blue tennis shoes that she had been wearing when she went missing. So she's dressed head to toe just no shoes. I was thinking about it too, because she went missing. She had groceries in her hand like that he'd take the groceries too. You know, like it just seems like to take everything, it would be hard. Right. Because how many bags did she have in the next second? Yeah, many bags and the earth something falls out.
Starting point is 00:08:51 Right. And like does he have to go back for it? There's just so many scenarios. Yeah. So Carol actually had the same gym shorts and red sweater that she left the house in 10 days earlier on. Based on the position her body was found, police theorized that she was either thrown down
Starting point is 00:09:08 into the embankment from the freeway or dragged there. She hadn't been carried. And to think that someone just threw her body out of the car and it rolled down into the embankment is really disturbing. An autopsy determined that she had been dead for only two to three days, but were 10 days from when she went missing,
Starting point is 00:09:29 which suggested that she had been alive, you know, since the night that she disappeared. There was citrus fruit in Carol's stomach remains, but her family confirmed that they did not have any citrus fruit at home, and Carol hadn't eaten any the day she was missing. And all of this confirmed that Carol didn't just go missing that night. She was abducted, kidnapped, beaten, abused, and murdered, then dumped so carelessly a mile and a half away
Starting point is 00:09:59 from her home. This was cruel and evil and incomprehensible for Carol's family. Around this time, 1971, there was a young female police officer named Romaine Jenkins, on the force who was just driven and brilliant. But she was stuck when it came to kind of ranking up in the academy because it's 1971 and she was a woman. But when Carol's body was found and police realized that a young girl had been kidnapped off the streets and murdered, it was kind of in all hands-on-deck attitude. So Romaine Jenkins, who had been wanting to be transferred over to the homicide
Starting point is 00:10:39 unit for a while, was actually signed to work this case. Romaine had been pushing and edging her way into homicide very slowly, kind of using her spare time to work on cases, really having to earn it when other people weren't. The problem is there was, and never had been, a female officer in this specific department that was allowed to work on homicide. And because of Carol's cases
Starting point is 00:11:06 and the cases to come, Romaine Jenkins would go on to be the first female assigned to the homicide unit. About two months later, a young girl named Darlenia Denise Johnson was on her way to her summer job on July 8, 1971, when she never showed up. It had been 68 days since Carol's body was found. Darlenia was supposed to be going to the Oxenrun Recreation Center where she was going to work in event. It was actually a sleepover for kids in the neighborhood and she was a little bit older, so she was kind of helping run the event at the rec center. After saying goodbye to her mother, she had left for work that evening wearing a green sweater, blue blouse, blue shorts,
Starting point is 00:11:51 and a red, white, and blue striped mini skirt. And like I said, she never made it. So what were the age differences between her and Carol? They're both in like their pre-teen years, like high school to middle school level. The biggest red flag about this whole situation was not that Darlenia had not shown up for work that night. It was that she lived on 392 to Weller Road, southeast Washington.
Starting point is 00:12:18 This is the same road that Carol Spinks had been kidnapped from nine weeks earlier. Darlinia and Carol actually went to the same school but didn't personally know each other. It took a while for Darlinia's disappearance to be reported because she was supposed to sleep at the rec center that night for work. So her parents didn't realize she was missing until the next day.
Starting point is 00:12:41 It was only after calling the rec center and discovering that Darlinia had actually never even shown up the night before that her parents realized something had happened to her while walking to work. And it was while walking the same road that Carol had when she was abducted. As police are called in and they connect the dots and fill deja vu from the similarities between the two cases, they are on edge. Carol's murder was bad enough, the community was still healing. Police still were no closer to finding justice for her and her family. And now, another girl goes missing. Another girl is abducted off the street.
Starting point is 00:13:17 Police discover from one witness that they believe they saw Darlenia that night in an old black car that was being driven by a black male shortly after her abduction. This sighting was more than they had in Carol's case, but it still got them nowhere. Four days later, on July 12th, another teenager, 14-year-old Angela Denise Barnes goes missing while walking home from a safe way store. It just seemed so weird that all these would happen so close to each other. And I don't mean area, I mean time frame. Right, it had only been four days since Darlenia was abducted.
Starting point is 00:13:52 Yeah. And now another girl has gone missing. Even nine weeks. Right. Like, that just seems very, very odd. It doesn't seem normal for, I mean, I know none of this is normal, but it doesn't seem normal for a serial killer
Starting point is 00:14:03 or something of that sorts. I think it's kind of quickly spiraling into a frenzy. Police are kind of like, what is going on? I think, wouldn't you be in that area? Like, if this was happening this much, like, okay, we should probably just chill in that area for a bit. Right, I think you would be,
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Starting point is 00:16:47 But there was some differences between Carol and Angela's murder that once you know the whole story kind of seem major, but her being only the second body found at the time wouldn't have stood out as bad as it will right now. The first was that Angela had been shot to death. She was also found with her shoes on. But she did live in the same area as Carol and Darlinia. She was around the same age, and she had the same physical appearances them. So it's not weird that police kind of lumped
Starting point is 00:17:17 all three girls together. Five days later, on July 19, 1971, around 5.30 pm. And 11 days after she went missing, Darlinia's badly decomposed body is found by police sergeant Charles Baden on the grassy embankment next to the northbound lanes of Interstate 295. She was found just 15 feet away from where Carol's spinks body was dumped.
Starting point is 00:17:45 So then we have three girls, three deaths all dumped within 11 weeks. There's something like that. Yeah, but Angela's body wasn't dumped on the same embankment as Darlinia and Carol's. Okay, got it. Darlinia, light carol, was completely dressed, but her shoes were missing. Her body was too badly decomposed, though, to tell the cause of death, or if there had been sexual assault, like in Carol's case. They did, however, find evidence of strangulation, so they assume that she probably was strangled
Starting point is 00:18:19 to death just like Carol. Okay, and as a listener right now, you're probably like, why did it take 11 days to find Darlenia if she was only 15 feet down from where Carol was fat? That's true, I didn't even think about that. But I'm going to make the situation and the lack of response even worse right now. Apparently, according to Detective Romaine Jenkins,
Starting point is 00:18:42 who was barely working the case and pretty low on the food chain at the time, the same day the Angela had been abducted from Safeway. Two calls had come into the police department about a possible body in the same embankment where Carol was found. But Darlinia's body wasn't recovered until 11 days later. So they were ignored? I guess so. Yes.
Starting point is 00:19:07 In an interview with the Washington Post, Detective Romaine Jenkins went on to later say that a D.C. Department of Highways and Traffic Employee had actually had car trouble back on July 12, 1971, and pulled over along I-295. When he got out, he saw what he believed to be a body or a mannequin down in the ravine and decided to call the DC police just to check it out. That same day, police also got an anonymous call about a body dumped in the embankment along to 95. So two calls about a body and then another missing girl in the same day who turned out to be Angela.
Starting point is 00:19:46 Police dispatched two officers out to the embankment along 295 after receiving the calls. But the officers just drove slowly along the side of the road and looked down into the embankment. They didn't even get out of the car and they claimed that they didn't see anything. Seven days after the two calls, the original DC Department of Highways and Traffic employee, who had called in the first place, actually drove back out to the spot on the embankment and noticed that the body he saw was still there. He was so infuriated that he called the department back
Starting point is 00:20:21 and eventually talked to Sergeant Charles Baton. He was like, I demand to talk to someone in charge. I'm confused why that would just be ignored. Charles Bade and actually went on to cooperate. What Roman Jenkins claims that police ignored these two calls because he remembers the second phone call very clearly from the highway employee who once again explained where the body was to them. He said on the free freeway, opposite 295, just north of Bowling Air Force Base. After the call, Sergeant Charles Bating
Starting point is 00:20:51 got on his motorcycle and drove along the shoulder until he found the body which ended up being Darlinia. Okay. Police have since noted that the anonymous call from July 12th, the same day that the call from Charles Bating came in, was most likely placed by the killer or someone who knew that the murder had happened. Because it was too specific, but since it had been so long since that call happened,
Starting point is 00:21:18 it's almost impossible to learn anything more about it. Yeah, I'm trying to think right now, like like if I was somewhere and I saw a body, if I would call anonymously, or if I would call and say my name. Right, I think maybe because you're like, I think I'd be a little freaked out. And so I mean, I think I'd be suspect number one.
Starting point is 00:21:36 Yeah, like, but I think I'd probably just say my name, especially if I didn't do it. Right. I mean, granted, I could always be blamed and it wasn't me. Right, right. But, I just say, I don't know, I could always be blamed. Right. Right. But I just
Starting point is 00:21:46 know, I don't know if I would be in the right headspace to be thinking ahead of I could be blamed for this. Yes. And I'm not going to tell my name. And they asked my name. I think it's a, oh, my name's Garrett. The body must have been pretty visible because Charles found it and so did the highway worker. So maybe it was just someone random who had a warrant out, but was a good civilian. You know what I mean? That's true too. I guess that's true. Like if I had a warrant or if I was a suspect or if I was on parole or something like that.
Starting point is 00:22:15 But you're still a good person, you might just call. That's true, then I probably wouldn't say my name. Right. We also need to note here that police probably would have been able to determine more about the crime If they had got in two delineas body sooner like maybe on the twelfth when they were notified about it twice The heat in DC in the summertime was speeding up the decomposition process very badly Yeah, I think it goes without saying here, but I'll reiterate for everyone, the detective, Romaine Jenkins, who was somewhat on the force and working this case is completely
Starting point is 00:22:52 right in accusing the police of dropping the ball here. Eight days later, on July 27, 1971, 10 year old Brenda Faye Crockett is abducted while walking to the Safeway grocery store. What is going first of all Safeway ain't very safe apparently not and second of all like what There's many girls and this story is again just five blocks away from her home She was running to buy bread and pet food for the family dogs and sent to the store by her mother Rita around 8 pm Before we go blaming people other than the kidnapper here I do want to say that this was completely normal behavior in this area during this time and They didn't really know the dangers of the world like we do now kids often ran errands for their parents
Starting point is 00:23:44 Especially if it was in walking distance. The Safeway was located in the 1900 block of 14th Street, Northwest. Brenda Crockett left her house barefoot and in pink foam curlers, and had asked her mom if her friend could walk with her to the grocery store like they had done many times before. And Rita said yes. But the friend actually ended up
Starting point is 00:24:06 not being able to go, so Brenda Crockett just left on her own. After an hour, her friends and family made their way out into the summer night to look for the 10-year-old. At 9.20 PM, the Crockett's house phone rings, but only Brenda Crockett's seven-year-old sister is home as everyone else is out searching for her.
Starting point is 00:24:28 Her sister answers the phone, and according to her, it was Brenda Crocket on the other line. She was crying, and she told her sister that, quote, a white man had snatched her up. She explains that she's somewhere in Virginia, but is heading home in a cab and keep in mind this is a 10 year old talking to a 7 year old. So this is a very complicated conversation already. When family stopped by the house while in the
Starting point is 00:24:58 middle of looking for Brenda Croquet, her little sister told them about the call she had just had with her, and roughly 20 minutes later, the phone rang again. This time, her stepfather slash mother's boyfriend answered the phone, and again, it was missing Brenda Crockett. She told him that she was taken by a white man and did not know where she was. According to police records, while on the phone, she asked her stepfather the question, did my mother see me?
Starting point is 00:25:28 Her stepfather was confused and asked her how her mother could have seen her if she was in Virginia right now. When Brenda Crockett couldn't explain, he asked her to put the man on the phone who took her. He's like, let me talk to the man who took you. Her stepfather then heard loud, heavy footsteps, and then Brenda Crockett whispered, well, I'll see you soon and hung up the phone. Oh my can, I can't do that.
Starting point is 00:25:53 Polisa initially didn't know what to make of these calls. And so they figured that maybe it was an attempt to distract them from what was actually happening, but Romaine Jenkins came up with her own theory. She thinks that perhaps the killer actually knew Brenda Crockett's mother and feared that she somehow saw him with her. So he made her call home to figure it out. Because why let her call home twice? Like that's really weird. If this is true, this means that the killer probably lived in the same area or worked nearby.
Starting point is 00:26:30 I also noted that if he was forcing her to make these calls, maybe he insisted that she say he was a different race because her clarifying that he was a white man twice as a 10-year-old just seems weird, especially to her seven-year-old sister. It's not like her seven-year-old sister asked, hey, can you describe who took you? You know what I mean? So maybe she was being forced to say that. The next morning, July 28, 1971,
Starting point is 00:26:57 a hitchhiker stumbled upon Brenda Crocket's dead body. On a grassy shoulder, alongside John Hansen highway and Chevrolet near the Baltimore, Washington, Parkway in Maryland. So that's four girls now. Yes. This body was in Prince George's County. And so now, another unit is involved in the case.
Starting point is 00:27:18 Brenda Crockett had been strangled, sexually assaulted, and had all of her clothes on except her shoes. So this is now three of the four girls have had all three of those things happen. She too had green synthetic fibers on her clothing, but the only thing that was different is she also had a scarf tied like knotted around her neck. Romaine Jenkins made her way over to the scene and noted that Brenda Crockett's feet were incredibly clean, almost like someone had washed them. Because remember, her feet are the only thing that are bare.
Starting point is 00:27:52 I mean, that's the only missing article of clothing. And it looks like they were really clean. And as we know, staging a body can be a sign of remorse or an attempt to get rid of evidence. It could also give us a look into a killer psyche, maybe an obsessive compulsive behavior or a fixation on cleanliness, and you're not going to get this joke, but for everyone else, where is Spencer Reed when we need him? He could probably tell us what this means. Nearly one month goes by before the next abduction. It was October 1st, 1971, when Nina Mosheia Yates is taken on her way to once again. Good old Safeway, am I right? Yes, a Safeway
Starting point is 00:28:32 store, but keep in mind, this is once again a different Safeway. This Safeway store was just down the street from where she lived, like literally both her house and the store are on the same road. At the time, Nina Mosheya's mother was in the hospital after just delivering a baby, and her father, a construction worker, named William Yates, was at home with her and her younger sibling. That night, he needed to run back to the hospital to check on his wife and new baby, so he asked Nina Mosheya to run to the store down the street for sugar, flour, and paper plates. She left in brown shorts, a sweatshirt, and white tennis shoes.
Starting point is 00:29:11 When William came home from the hospital, and Nina Moshea was still not back from the store, he began calling friends and family before eventually walking down to the safe way himself to look for her. He confirms with the store employees that she did actually make it and buy the things that she went for. But when he walks back outside, he notices something devastating. All of the items that he sent her, therefore,
Starting point is 00:29:36 were strewn across the ground outside of the store. And that's what I was talking about on the first kidnapping. Yeah, like where did the items go on the first one? Like where did the items go on the first one? Maybe he took them but on this one it just wasn't worth the time I don't know but just three hours later Her body was found on Pennsylvania Avenue three hours So it's almost like it's just getting Yes, exactly and I totally thought that while researching the first time
Starting point is 00:30:02 He kept the girl alive for a while before killing her in this time, it was almost like he kidnapped her and then immediately killed her. Nina Mosheya did not have her shoes on once again and the same green fibers were found on her clothing. This makes me think that whatever he's wrapping or transporting the bodies in is the same material every time and it keeps getting on their clothes. Her body was still warm when the hitchhiker found her. Some loose change, a bag of sugar and her house key was scattered near her body. She too had been sexually assaulted and then strangled, but this time strangled with such force that her esophagus was broken. A witness came forward and said that they saw Nino-Mosia getting into a blue Volkswagen with a Maryland license plate. Over 25 blue Volkswagen cars were
Starting point is 00:30:54 seized in a search for the perpetrator but it led nowhere. At this point police believe that Nino-Mosia was the fourth victim in an abduction murder plot done by her serial killer. And I know, you're thinking, wait, this is the fifth, but they figured that Angela Barnes went missing during the same time, but because she was shot and her shoes were on, it was unrelated to this exact string of murders. I don't think so. You don't think so? No. Here's my thing.
Starting point is 00:31:25 I mean, I guess, I don't know, what are the chances? Right, but there seems to be a pretty obvious pattern. The shoes are always missing. There's green fibers on the body and they're always strangled. She's the only one who had shoes on was shot and had no green fibers on her body. Well, I guess, I mean, something could have gone wrong. Right? Someone could have happened. that shoes on was shot and had no green fibers on her body. I guess, I mean, something could have gone wrong.
Starting point is 00:31:47 Right? Someone could have happened. She could have fought back. She was in the same area. She's the same. She's the exact victim profile. Yeah, I think it's probably the same person. Okay, we'll get there.
Starting point is 00:31:59 Okay. A larger task force was formed at this point that included detectives from neighboring Prince George County as well as the Maryland State Police and the FBI. After this fourth or fifth, according to Garrett Victim, the media also begins reporting on the case, and it was the first time that the unsub was dubbed the Freeway Phantom because all of the bodies were being dumped on the side of roads, usually a freeway. And if you're on YouTube, you'll see the picture. But if you look at the location of where the bodies are dumped
Starting point is 00:32:30 on a map, it literally makes a line down the freeway. I don't understand. I know it's so much harder than I think it is. But how is this guy not found if it's all in the same area? We're on four, according to Garrett, five people now, five girls. And this is what I was saying about the beginning. I mean, all of them are identified. It's not like they're Jane Does.
Starting point is 00:32:53 We all know their last whereabouts. We know their name. We know where they go to school. We know they all are in the same area. And how do them are going their freaking safe way? And do we even have one clue? Not really. We have basically one eyewitness account.
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Starting point is 00:34:47 But at the time of the kid not being there were on talking terms and they maintained contact Anne had been visiting each other. Brenda Wadard is in high school. This specific day her father dropped her off at Cordoso High School for evening classes in typing and shorthand skills. After class she went to a place called Ben's Chili Bull with a friend to get something to eat. And then after dinner, this classmate
Starting point is 00:35:10 who would have typically driven Brenda Woodard home, but their car was in the shop, so they just together took the city bus and eventually said goodbye around 11.30 pm while she was waiting for another bus to come get her so she could finish her way home. She was last seen at this bus stop on 8th and 8th Street, Northeast. The next day around 5am, Brenda Woodard's body is found on the shoulder of the Baltimore,
Starting point is 00:35:35 Washington, Parkway. She was found by Chevrolet Police Officer David Norman who was out conducting a routine patrol. I understand. And this is the next day. It's crazy. So at this point to me, this purpose definitely dumping them in a place that they are easily going to be found.
Starting point is 00:35:51 He's not going to any effort to try and hide the body. Yeah, I feel like he just doesn't care. I think at this point, he feels like I can get away with anything I want. Right. No one will ever catch me. Right. The officer reports that he shone his flashlight into her eyes to see if there was life, but
Starting point is 00:36:07 she didn't even blink. She did nothing. Brenda Woodard had been stabbed four times. So this is the first stabbing. So this is why I think it's the same person because you don't think it's that weird that they've crossed over. Yeah, yeah, I don't think it's that weird that it's crossed over. So she was stabbed four times sexually salted and
Starting point is 00:36:25 Strangled, okay, but she had defensive wounds on her hands suggesting that she fought back So pay in my personal belief is that because she was older She put up much more of a fight than the other girls So he had to stab her which he didn't want to do but he needed to control her He likes to strangle which is why he still strangled her after he stabbed her. Yeah. Brenda Woodard's burgundy coat was found draped over her
Starting point is 00:36:53 and her turtleneck was inside out, which leads them to believe she was redressed like most of the other victims. Buttons were actually missing from her coat and her skirt. But Brenda Woodard still had on her black boots. So she had her shoes, even though the mo of the killer has been to take the shoes. Police found two hairs, one from African-American descent
Starting point is 00:37:16 and one from Caucasian descent. But there was no DNA testing back in 1971. They also found a note from the killer in Brenda's coat pockets. It read, this is tantamount to my insensitivity, which was spelled wrong, to people, especially women. I will admit the others when you catch me if you can, freeway phantom. So he's totally doing it on purpose. Yes. And it is not care. Right. What a psycho.
Starting point is 00:37:46 I don't even know how to explain somebody like that. That a note like that. Yeah. For those fellow people out there who didn't know what tantamount means, it means equivalent in seriousness to or virtually the same as. So basically he said, I am doing this because I hate women. That's basically what his note says. The note was written on a piece of paper cut from Brenda Woodard's school notebook that she was carrying.
Starting point is 00:38:10 It appeared as if the note was written in Brenda Woodard's own handwriting, like whoever had done this had forced her to write it. At this point, a tip line is created by the DC Metropolitan Police Department for the Freeway Phantom murders, created by the DC Metropolitan Police Department for the Freeway Phantom murders, which romaine Jenkins once again admits was an extremely late reaction from authorities. It took till the fifth murder. Roadblocks were set up and press conferences held about the murders where police released
Starting point is 00:38:38 a lot of information to the public about the killer and their MO saying that they don't have their shoes on, that he likes to strangle, that he dumps them by the free way. And while I understand that releasing information to the public is important and it's something we as true crime listeners love, the same time you're now making it very easy for people to have false confessions because they know every detail, you also are giving the ability for copycat murders.
Starting point is 00:39:05 Like, oh, if I just do it the same way, then maybe it will get blamed on them and not me. Between the months of November and December 1971, a psychologist named Dr. Sheldon Frude worked with the police and pointed out that three of the five victims so far had the middle named Denise. I thought it was six.
Starting point is 00:39:24 There is six in total. We've only covered five unless you're including Angela then we've covered six. Oh, so there's still one more. So technically there's seven. Okay, yes. Okay, got it. And I don't know if you noticed
Starting point is 00:39:37 that three of them have had the name the middle name Denise. They did not. But as I was researching, I kept getting confused because I didn't know this until later and I was like, wait, Denise, and then there's been two brandas. And so I was researching, I kept getting confused because I didn't know this until later and I was like, wait, Denise, and then there's been two brandas. So I was like, wait, I'm so confused. But this psychologist points this out. And so warning is issued to any black women with the name Denise. Oh my God. They were like, be warned. This guy might be targeted at targeting Denise
Starting point is 00:40:02 is because three of the five victims so far have had the middle name Denise Police asked for any young girls who had experienced any close calls recently to come forward whether it was Someone tried to take them or maybe try to get them to follow them whatever it was Please come forward and tell within four days of opening the tip line, police received 4,000 calls. Holy crap. Primarily from women reporting suspicious vehicles and being offered rides or harassed verbally. Which if that doesn't tell you what a woman has to go through daily, that's crazy. I don't know what does. Some theories of the person or the perp being a school
Starting point is 00:40:44 teacher or working an education came out. because how would they have known the middle name was Denise if they didn't have access to records. Or he's very, very close with everybody in this area. Yes, in this area. and at one point a group of over 200 Vietnam war veterans formed a veterans protective league and patrolled the highways in their private cars 24 hours a day. And pretty soon, 10 months went by without another murder that fit this profile. So police and even the public began to assume that either the killer had left the area and was now targeting somewhere else, or had been picked up on a different charge and was sitting in prison.
Starting point is 00:41:28 But then on September 5th, 1972, all of that changed. 17-year-old Diane, Denise, Williams, a senior at Bayou High School was abducted while walking home from the bus stop. Diane, then I can't believe that he, another Denise. So it's obvious that it might be right. Or the fact that they released that to the public now created a copycat. Yeah, true. That evening she had cooked dinner for her family.
Starting point is 00:41:55 Then visited her boyfriend's house who drove her to the bus stop at Martin Luther King Road so that she could head home. Diane's mother Margaret noticed that Diane had not come home at her few and alerted her father, Leon. Margaret then called Diane's boyfriend who confirmed that he watched her board the bus over an hour ago. The bus driver remembers Diane and says she got off at Martin Luther King Avenue on South Capital Street.
Starting point is 00:42:19 And then from there it was supposed to just be a short walk home. She left the house in blue jeans and a yellow blouse and never came home. When Diane had not returned by the next morning, Leon calls and reports her missing on his way home from his night shift. While driving, he notices a truck pulled off on the side of the road with people standing around but just keeps driving home because he's worried about his daughter. But what he didn't know was that that truck
Starting point is 00:42:45 that was pulled over and stopped was because the driver noticed something strange on a grassy incline next to the highway. It was Diane's body. Diane had been strangled and left along I295 200 yards away from the DC line. I just don't get how this is happening and it sucks that it's like no one sees anything every single time. Right. Her shoes were missing. However, this time there were no signs of sexual assault. While her parents drove to the station to identify and talk to authorities, her siblings
Starting point is 00:43:21 back at home actually found out that their sister had been found dead via the news broadcasting it, which is just an awful way to find out that a family member has not only died but been murdered. And although this was the sixth or seventh victim, police believed was involved in the freeway phantom murders, even now, they weren't one step closer to catching the killer than they were when the first victim Carol was abducted. And time went by, the rest of 1972, 1973, and then in 1974, the FBI created a task force to investigate the freeway phantom murders. And at one point, it had 100 detectives and federal agents from
Starting point is 00:44:06 DC, Prince George's County, and the Maryland State Police. Pretty soon after this, an inmate actually came forward to provide information about another inmate, blaming him for the murders, but it turned out that the accused had an alibi. An interesting fact here, years of evidence and research have listed gel house inmate testimonies as the leading factor in wrongful convictions. And cost taxpayers millions of dollars tracking down fake or incorrect leads, yet this tactic is still employed today. And I had no idea that I didn't know that. That's super interesting. Then also in 1974, two former police officers, Edward Sullivan and Tommy Simmons were arrested and charged. No, freaking way.
Starting point is 00:44:53 For Angela Denise Barnes' murder. Oh, it all makes sense now. Well, just her murder. They conclude that it wasn't connected to the rest of the murders conclusively. And they say that those two't connected to the rest of the murders conclusively and they say that they Those two officers only killed the girl that you said was a part of them. Oh, they say wasn't I don't know if I but okay I mean we should probably stop more to talk about so well the problem is is we don't really Have the evidence has to why other than the fact that they just believe the murders weren't like connected. In March 1977, a man named Robert L. Wood
Starting point is 00:45:27 Askins, who was a 58 year old computer technician, was arrested and charged with abducting and raping a 24 year old woman inside his Washington DC home. And when he was arrested, police went on to discover several prior murder charges. Like this guy was murdering and harassing and poisoning and killing women all around the Washington DC area. He was actually found criminally insane and committed to St. Elizabeth's hospital, which is the hospital that was right across the street
Starting point is 00:45:59 from where the first two girls were dumped. A lot of people really think that this man is a number one suspect for the freeway phantom murders. But there's been no fibers or any physical evidence actually linking him to the freeway phantom murders other than his past with murdering women and hating women, which he admitted. Although an eyewitness did actually pick him out of a lineup as seeing him near one of the freeway phantom victims, but he was never charged with it, nothing conclusive ever came from it. And then, he died in 2010 and denied any role in the murders. So, that kind of went nowhere.
Starting point is 00:46:39 A woman named Victoria Hester and her father, Blaine Pardo, actually went on to spend years researching this case and wrote a book called Tantum Out, the pursuit of the freeway phantom serial killer. And they believe someone out there knows the killer because he kept textbooks from one victim, curlers from another, shoelaces from another, he was collecting trophies. And they didn't find this at any of the cops place
Starting point is 00:47:08 or anything like that. The cops place or askins place. They searched both. So these book writers are hoping that maybe a family member or a friend out there would recognize these trophies, whether it's in an attic or they find them in a family member's house
Starting point is 00:47:22 and find it weird. They also believe that the St. Elizabeth's psychiatric hospital has a tie to the murders based on its location. And Robert Askin was a patient there. This hospital, I looked this up, actually has thousands of patients buried in unmarked graves across the grounds from earlier more awful sketchy times, and due to poor record keeping the actual number and locations are unknown. And they also have an on-site incinerator.
Starting point is 00:47:54 That's pretty crazy. The book also lists another victim named Tara Bryant that police don't list or have any connection to this case. She was found on November 26, 1972 under a bridge in the metropolitan area. She was strangled, her body was washed, and she was missing a shoe. And why don't we hear about this? Because only the book has named this victim as a possible tie. Okay.
Starting point is 00:48:21 Police haven't. So, not... Which doesn't make sense because she's missing a shoe. Right, but she was found under a bridge, not near a freeway. Yeah. But I mean, it's so hard to try to figure out who belongs to what? It is hard because now that you mentioned that the cops were charged for this other girl, for the other girl who was shot, I mean, you're probably right. It probably was them. They probably weren't connected to the other ones. Maybe they knew about the first one and tried to... Get away with it.
Starting point is 00:48:48 tried to do it. Yes. I don't know. So much remains unknown about this case. And a lot of suspects and evidence is just pure speculation. Evidence has been lost, moved, or destroyed, and original police officers have passed away now. not to mention that when this was all first happening,
Starting point is 00:49:07 the ball was kind of dropped over and over again. During this time, Washington, D.C. was still actually filling pain from the years of civil unrest previous. And when Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr. was assassinated in Tennessee in 1968, this is all happening kind of right before this time. The District of Columbia's population was almost 70% black at the time, and the police force was predominantly white. There was a lot of mistrust and years of discrimination that most certainly had an effect on this case.
Starting point is 00:49:42 People magazine covered this case just recently and talked to Carolyn Spinks, who was Carol Spinks, identical twin sister. Carolyn fills the impact of losing not only a sibling, but an identical twin, and it has been very traumatic for her. She has struggled with fear that she's next and she does not trust anyone.
Starting point is 00:50:03 They also talked to Patricia Williams, who's Diane Williams' sister. She went on to become a DC police lieutenant because of what happened to her sister. Carol Denise Spinks was murdered at age 12 and survived by her parents and siblings. Darlinia Denise Johnson was murdered at age 16 and survived by her mother and siblings.
Starting point is 00:50:24 Brenda Faye Crockett was murdered at age 10 and survived by her mother in siblings. Brenda Faye Crockett was murdered at age 10 and survived by her family. Nina Mosheia Yates was murdered at age 12 and survived by her family. Brenda Denise Woodard was murdered at age 13 and details of her family are unknown. Diane Denise Williams was murdered at age 17 and survived by her family. And those are the recorded victims of the freeway phantom murders, their case unsolved. Wow. I was thinking that there's probably a good chance
Starting point is 00:50:53 that their killer is dead. Right, I mean, this was. If he was in his 40s or his 50s, there was a pretty good chance that he's not alive anymore. And I mean, this is obviously just rumored, but it doesn't seem like we have any DNA to compare to try to find him even though he passed. Even if he was in his 30s, there's a good chance that he's not alive anymore.
Starting point is 00:51:15 Right. That's crazy. I cannot believe that it wasn't found, that whoever it was was not found. With six, but potentially more victims. I don't know if I don't think I blood, I don't think it's the cops. I don't think it was another guy. Well, there's a lot more.
Starting point is 00:51:32 I mean, this guy killed a lot of people, but I feel like because they were able to physically tie him to all of the other murders he committed, why would they not be able to tie him to six other murders that he committed? Like, how were they so easily able to tie him to six other murders that he committed? How are they so easily able to find evidence? And he was like, yeah, I did all these, but they didn't connect him to any of these.
Starting point is 00:51:50 I know this is a whole nothered probably episode. I can't move those cops. Could that girl? I know. What the freak? I know. I wish we had time to just now go off and talk about that case. It's insane.
Starting point is 00:52:01 But anyways, that's that's so crazy. I think he's probably died. I don't think he's alive anymore. That's insane. But anyways, that's so crazy. I think he's probably dead. I don't think he's alive anymore. Whoever did it. Most likely, but I still wish because some of these siblings are alive. And I still really wish. They knew they could have some peace.
Starting point is 00:52:16 They did. They did. Or at least just some justice. I don't know what closure is the word, but like just the justice that they are able to have. All right, you guys, thank you so much for listening to the podcast. Thank you for always supporting our show.
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