Murder With My Husband - 116. Lisa McVey and the Tampa Bay Victims

Episode Date: June 13, 2022

On this episode of MWMH, Payton and Garrett discuss the victims of the Hillsborough County Serial Killer. LIVE ONLINE SHOW TICKETS HERE! https://www.moment.co/murderwithmyhusband http://www.daziusa.com use CODE: MWMH15 Ads: Simpli Safe: https://simplisafe.com/mwmh Prose: www.prose.com/mwmh Fuzzy: www.yourfuzzy.com/husband Outschool: www.outschool.com/husband and use code husband Upside: download the free Upside App and use promo code husband Case Sources: CNN, “A convicted serial killer and rapist was executed as 2 women who survived his attacks watched,” by Dakin Andone, May 24, 2019 Tampa Bay Times, “Tampa serial killer Bobby Joe Long is scheduled to be executed tonight. We remember the victims,” by Gabrielle Calise, April 25, 2019 (updated May 23, 2019) Tampa Bay Times, “Tampa serial killer Bobby Joe Long is executed in silence,” by Kathryn Varn, May 23, 2019 wfla.com, News Channel 8, Case of Bobby Joe Long: Notorious Tampa Bay serial killer executed,” by Evan Donovan, May 22, 2019 (updated May 23, 2019) The U.S. Sun (from the-sun.com), “Sick Killer, Who were Bobby Joe Long’s victims?” by Jon Rogers, June 4, 2021 The U.S. Sun (from the-sun.com), “Troubled Childhood, Who was Lisa McVey’s grandmother?” by Israel Salas-Rodriguez, June 8, 2021 Murderpedia.org, “Bobby Joe Long” Thenetline.com, “What is Lisa McVey doing now? The sheriff’s deputy uses her experience to sensitize children about abduction,” by Chege Karomo, January 31, 2022 thefamouspeople.com, “Bobby Joe Long Biography (Serial Killer), no author or date provided allthatsinteresting.com, “How Lisa McVey Outsmarted A Serial Killer – And Led Police Straight To His Door,” by Genevieve Carlton, checked by Jaclyn Anglis, January 19, 2022 allthatsinteresting.com, “The Horrifying Story of Bobby Joe Long: From Classified Ad Rapist to Serial Killer,” by All That’s Interesting, checked by Leah Silverman, October 30, 2021, updated November 18, 2021 Dailymail.co.uk, “Woman who was raped and kidnapped as a suicidal teen by serial killer Bobby Joe Long – documented in Netflix drama Believe Me – wanted a front row seat for his execution but maintains his horrific crimes ‘saved my life’” by Jo Tweedy for mailonline, June 29, 2021 Biography.com, “Bobby Joe Long, Biography 1953-2019” no author listed, April 27, 2017 Radiox.co.uk, “Where is serial killer Bobby Joe Long now?”, by Radio X, June 4, 2021 heinonline.org, printing “The ‘Bobby Joe’ Long Serial Murder Case: A Study in Cooperation,” by Capt. Gary Terry (HCSO) and SA Michael P. Malone, M.S. (FBI Hairs and Fiber Unit), December 1987 Macrotrends.net, “Tampa Metro Area Population 1950-2022” Google maps Various published opinions by the Florida Supreme Court Investigationdiscovery.com, “Bobby Joe Long, ‘The Classified Ad Rapist,’ Caused Tampa’s Murder Rate to Skyrocket” by Terri Osborne, dated November 16, 2021 Discover.hubpages.com, “Profile of a Serial Killer – Part 3 – Bobby Joe Long,” by Matthew I Crawford, May 3, 2011 Lifetime film, “Believe Me: The Abduction of Lisa McVey,” on Amazon Prime Chillingcrimes.com, “Lisa McVey,” June 1, 2020 Radiox.co.uk, “Lisa McVey family: Did the teen really live with her grandmother?” no author listed, June 7, 2021 Assisted research and writing by Diane Birnholz Wikipedia, “Bobby Joe Long” Links: https://linktr.ee/murderwithmyhusband Ads: Simpli Safe: https://simplisafe.com/mwmh Prose: www.prose.com/mwmh Fuzzy: www.yourfuzzy.com/husband Outschool: www.outschool.com/husband and use code husband Upside: download the free Upside App and use promo code husband Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And I can't believe we are even about to say this on the podcast. It's like freaking me out. I'm shaking. I'm nervous, but we are actually starting in July going to be donating a portion of our Patreon proceeds to organizations who help out in the true crime field. And this is something that Garrett and I have wanted to do since the beginning of starting this podcast. I don't know if we ever thought we'd even get here, but here we are. And it's because of you guys. And I want you to know that you are not just caring

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This will actually genuinely be the first time we go somewhere and probably won't record record or like work on something. You know what I mean? It'll definitely be weird. Social media emails, but we won't be recording live. Right. I mean, we've recorded early before, but it's always just been a couple days or, you know, never like a week, weeks in advance. So it definitely will be weird. But you know, we're just being transparent with you guys. Also, real quick, Father's Day is coming up. And one of my friends, I'm not gonna say his name, but one of my friends, he actually owns a Thai company.

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Pedia. Oh, by the way, about Murder Pedia, some people were thinking it was similar to Wikipedia. Murder Pedia is actually just a site that has a whole bunch of sources stacked into one place. So Murderpedia is just a list of sources, news sites, anything like that that have covered the case, and then they just list them all that underneath the case name. So that's what Murderpedia is.

It's not like a Wikipedia where, I mean, I still love Wikipedia, but I know that it can be a problematic site. So I just wanted to clarify that whenever I say I love murder pides because they've already just compiled a list of sources for me and it's a lot easier. Thenetline.com, the famouspeople.com, all that's interesting.com, dailymail.co, biography.com,

radiox.co, macro trends.net, and then a couple of various published opinions by the Florida Supreme Court, investigationdiscovery.com, discoverhubpages.com, a lifetime film at chillingcrimes.com. And that's it, that was a long one. Okay, so our episode begins in March of 1967 when a little girl named Lisa McVeigh is born. Now, Lisa from an early age was introduced into a hard life. Her mother actually struggled with drug and alcohol addiction, which made her unable to care for Lisa,

along with Lisa's sister. Because of this, Lisa was in and out of foster homes growing up. And needless to say, I don't need to go into how hard foster homes can be. So as a teen, she was finally sent to live with her grandmother in Tampa, Florida. Tampa is a city on Tampa Bay, which is located in the West Central portion of Florida, along Florida's Gulf Coast. It sits within the Hillsboro County.

Now, according to MacroCends.net, Tampa's population at the peak of our case was 1,495,000, and it is actually the most populous county in Florida outside of the various counties that make up Miami. So Lisa lived with her grandmother and her grandmother's boyfriend, but this wasn't the great situation it seemed to be. It wasn't like she left foster care and finally found that loving home was stability and protection that every child needs. According to all sources, Lisa suffered ongoing sexual abuse at the hands of her grandmother's boyfriend for three to four years.

So Lisa tried to report the abuse not only to her grandmother, but also to her own mother, except it was no use. They just scolded her for not being grateful that someone had finally taken her in and gave her her own bedroom and a house. Because remember, she had been in the foster care system because no one wanted to take care of her. The abuse was ignored by everyone that teenager Lisa told. So in the words of Lisa, it was an extremely traumatic childhood. And it was even harder to know that her grandmother, not only condoned, but approved of this abuse, sometimes even standing there and watching it happen. Oh, that is so evil. Evil.

So on November 2nd, 1984, Lisa McVeigh went to work. At this point in her life, like I said, she was a teenager and she had got a job and was working at Krispy Kreme. Now, I don't know if everyone knows what, you know, if Krispy Kreme is universal or not, but the it's a donut shop for those of you who don't know. So while, yeah, Garrett loves Krispy Kreme. So while at work, Lisa decided that she was going to take her own life when she got home. She, you know, the life that she had been given was unfair and no one was helping her.

It felt like no one cared. And because of this, she just wanted to stop filling the pain so she was going to work her shift at Krispy Kreme and then go home and end her life. Oh my gosh. How old is she again? She's a teenager. Okay. Has she thought about running away?

You know, I'm sure she has. Not saying that's like a solution to the problems. I'm just curious. But also, where is she going to go? She's experienced what else is out there, and it's not great. So in the early morning hours of November 3rd, 1984, Lisa was riding her bike home at around 2 a.m. after finishing her shift at Krispy Kreme.

She had already decided her fate. She had just worked a double shift. And according to some sources, she willingly stayed and worked the double because she didn't want to go home to the house of horse that she was currently living in and faced the decision she had made. So while she was writing home in the darkness, someone suddenly grabbed her off her bike from behind. Lisa started screaming, her attacker put a gun to her head and said said shut up or I'll blow your brains out. Oh my god. The man tied her up blindfolded her and threw her into his car.

So not only is she getting abused, she's now... And heading home to end her life. She's now just gotten grabbed off her bike. By somebody. By somebody who has a gun. Once in the car Lisa knew what happened next and it did. She was sexually assaulted. But Lisa, like many of us listening besides Garrett, was a fan of true crime shows. And because of this, and I'm not sure how she had the strength, she began

avidly taking note of her surroundings and the details around her. Through a small space below the blindfold, she noticed details of the car, and she eventually figured out it was a reddish-colored dodge magnum. After the attack, Lisa was hoping the man would let her go, but he climbed into the front seat and began driving off with her still blindfolded in the back seat.

She kept track of which direction they were driving and how long they were driving for. She even counted every step her attacker took as he pulled her out of the car and eventually carried her inside of a home. Okay. And thus began a terrorizing and dreadful hell that Lisa just couldn't seem to get away from.

Lisa's attacker repeatedly assaulted her and beat her all while threatening her with a gun. And it was while tied up and blindfolded in what she's assuming is his home, that she heard a news report on the TV about herself being missing. This is actually very similar to the live show, the moment that we did.

This is very similar to that case. It's also a little ironic to me that the people who are abusing her care about her enough to report her missing. You know what I mean? Like I know that because they're already doing something that's horrible. So they obviously don't care about her. Right. But they want her back so they report her missing. Probably so they can just continue to abuse her. It's just horrible to me. So Lisa figured while listening to this news report of herself being missing, she figured, okay, that's it, I'm going to be murdered.

Like that I was abused, I was taken, I've been sexually assaulted, and now I know where this ends. I'm a true crime fan, and I know where this ends. And it was in that moment that she realized just how much she wanted to live. She had left work that night with the intention of dying, but not like this. And now in the face of it, she did not want this. And it's making me emotional because

she had such a hard life. And then when faced with it, she decided that no, my life is worth it. And I do want to live. And I just, I'm proud of her. And I think it's such a hard thing to be going through and it makes me sad. So with every hour that passed the reality grew stronger for her. Lisa decided that if this was to be her fate, her murder would be solved.

She did her best to leave behind as much forensic evidence as possible so her attacker would be caught. She purposely touched surfaces, leaving behind as many fingerprints as she could in the house. So smart. So smart. And in between attacks, Lisa's attacker tried talking to her. And although she was so scared, she began inventing stories in hopes of trying to gain sympathy from her attacker. She talked about how she had this amazing father who had gotten sick and she was the sole caregiver of him. And so she doesn't even mind what's happened here,

but she really doesn't need to get home or he would die, like he has no one except her. Now we know this is not the case, we said does not have a good home life, but she's trying to play on her attacker's emotions. So when her attacker opened up about how, you know, why he was doing this, she tried to sympathize with him, why are you doing this?

What's happened that makes you feel like you need to do this? He said, you know, he was trying to get back at women in general because of a bad breakup he had. And she lied to him and sympathized with this in order to appease him and calm him down and almost cuddle him. And after 26 hours of being kidnapped and this back and forth, sexual assaults in between against all odds, Lisa's plan worked. She convinced him to load her back into the car blindfolded that she she wouldn't tell anyone. And he could just take her home. He first drove to an ATM and by some accounts stopped at a gas station as well. He then dropped her off behind a business around 4 30 AM blindfolded.

That is crazy because I feel like that never works. Right. And he instructed her to wait five minutes before taking the blindfold off so that he would have time to drive away. And when leaving, he said, tell your sick father he's the reason why I didn't kill you. That's so crazy. This man got into his maroon car and then drove away. Lisa ripped her blindfold off and the first thing she saw was this amazing oak tree above her. She couldn't help but be overcome with thoughts about how she had wanted to die before

all of this. And now looking at this tree, her attacker actually letting her go, she wanted more than anything to live. Life was worth living she had found that. Lisa got up and ran all the way back to her grandmother's house However, when she arrived her grandmother and his boyfriend who was her abuser didn't believe her story In private her grandma's boyfriend beat her for cheating on him What in the world right no one will do any how she gone to the cops about well

They did report her missing so when she she was found, they had to say, oh, never mind, she's back. And law enforcement was already too involved in the case because, like I said, they had heard her story. And so when they hear her story about being kidnapped, despite the fact that her grandma doesn't believe her, the cops miraculously do. Good, okay.

The Hillsboro County Sheriff's Office urged the Tampa Police Department to send Lisa's rape kit evidence to the FBI lab. They're like, okay, we've found her, she's back, and we need to start investigating. Now you might be wondering, if her own family weren't pushing police and Lisa had come home,

why are the police involving the FBI? Like this is usually the opposite of what we see happening, especially in teenage missing person cases that return home in less than 48 hours. But that's because there was something else going on in Hillsboro County besides Lisa's abduction. Something big. In fact, police clung to Lisa's story because they were hoping it was the lead that they had been needing in another case.

Unbeknownst to Lisa or her family, Hillsborough County in 1984 had an active serial killer, a brutal one, who since March, so eight months earlier, had already abducted and murdered nine girls Holy crap Police can't help was Lisa the 10th victim that somehow this brutal and rampant serial killer had set free They had to look into it. They were like maybe Lisa's our Okay, you guys we are getting into an ad. I know you guys have both heard the story about how Garrett and I were both paying Add, I know you guys have both heard the story about how Garrett and I were both paying separately

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According to murderpedia.org Hillsborough County average approximately 30 to 35 homicides per year in the early 1980s. And then that all changed in 1984 when the murder rate in Tampa escalated dramatically due to a rapid fire series of murders of young women. Law enforcement suspected there was a serial killer on the loose. The killer's MO was to bind rape and kill young female victims and then dump them in secluded spots displaying their bodies in unusual poses. 10 women had already been murdered in a relatively

small area of Tampa during an eight month period in 1984, like I said, the women were all young, ranging in ages from their teens to the oldest at 28 years old, all relatively short between five foot two and five foot six, and most were taken from the same area around Nebraska Avenue in Tampa.

The killer kidnapped and murdered each woman dumping their bodies in deserted places, and like many serial killers, this one targeted women who were vulnerable. I can't believe you can kill 9 people and just get away with it. Well, like I said, he was killing people who were vulnerable, including women who were walking or riding a bike alone, who were maybe sex workers or exotic dancers. He would either persuade or force women into his car where he would then sexually assault, torture, and murder them.

According to a November 1984 issue of the St. Petersburg Times, and like I said, the murdered women all disappeared from the same general area, which was how the serial killer was even suspected. I mean, if a lot of women go missing from around the same area, cops are going to be like, okay, I think we have a serial killer. Majority of their bodies were found along Nebraska Avenue, which housed a strip of nightclubs, kind of a, you know, more lively area that many of the victims actually worked at. In order of disappearance, here are the victims.

Artists Ann Wick, Peggy Long, Michelle Sims, Elizabeth Loudon Beck, Vicki Elliott, Chanel Williams, Karen Dinsfriend, Kimberly Hopps, Virginia Johnson, and Kim Marie Swan. So right now we are going to list every victim and what happened to that specific victim. If you are watching YouTube, you will have a picture of them. If not, you can go to our Instagram to see each one as it's important to remember them all while telling this story. So the first was artist Ann Wick who was 20 years old at the time of her murder. She is now considered to be the first known murder victim. She was from a small town in Indiana who then hitchhiked to Tampa to join her sister Becky who was living there. At about 11 a.m. on March 27, 1984, she left her apartment on East 10th Street to get a pack of cigarettes

and she never returned. She was reportedly a sex worker whose skeletal remains were found in rural southern Hillsbury County on November 22, 1984, approximately eight months after she was murdered. A little over a month later, Peggy Long was 19 years old at the time of her murder. She was originally from Southern California. She went by Peggy or Lawn Along and had been working in Tampa as an exotic dancer at the Starlight Lounge and Sly Fox Lounge. She had recently quit her job as a dancer to study art and cinema at the University of South Florida. Her body was found on Mother's Day, May 13, 1984. The same day she was murdered near an overpass on East Bay Road.

Two boys who were playing in a field actually found her body. She was naked. Her hands were bound behind her back, and her legs had been posed five feet apart, which is very disgraceful to do to a body. Two weeks later, another young woman was murdered. So these are pretty back-to-back, but this is a rampage. There's not like a couple months in between them.

Like, he's just, whoever this is, it's just... Right, and killing people. Yeah. Michelle Denise Sims was her name. She was 22 years old at the time of her death and was from San Bernardino County, California. She had been in beauty pageants and had worked as a receptionist at a Fort Pierce massage parlor.

Now Fort Pierce is about midway between Miami and Orlando on the east side of Florida. She then moved to Tampa in May of 1984, the very same month she would be killed. So she moved to Tampa and then was killed. Her body was found bound and stabbed on May 27 near an interstate for overpass by plant city. She was last seen at some bars on West Kennedy Boulevard. According to an opinion by the Florida Supreme Court, there were three possible causes of her death, strangulation,

head injuries, or bleeding from two knife slashes to her neck. So this was definitely overkill. According to Google Maps, Kennedy Boulevard intersects with Nebraska Avenue not far from where Interstate 4 and some other highways convergent Tampa. I say this so you can see that they're all kind of being found in a similar area. Income. Two days later, 33 year old Lyndon Natal placed an ad in a newspaper around Memorial Day to sell some of her

and her husband's furniture. Now, I believe this crime happened on May 29th. Someone came to her house to answer to the ad about buying the furniture where she was then sexually assaulted in her own home. Her children ages one through four were in the house at the time and she was one of only two to survive this attack. So her and Lisa are the two girls that survived. So Linda says she led the man. So we know it's a man now to her bedroom to show him the furniture that was for sale.

And at that point, he pushed her to the floor, sat on her and tied her hands behind her, went on to beat her, sexually assault her, tried to murder her, but she survives. A little over a week later, Elizabeth Loudenbeck was 22 years old at the time of her murder. She lived with her parents and younger siblings at the village Tampa Community Mobile Home Park. This was only a few blocks away from the Nebraska Avenue strip where some of the other victims had worked. Liz was last seen on June 8th when she stepped out for a walk near her home. She was never seen again.

Her body was found about two weeks later on June 24th. In an orange grove east of Brandon, she had been sexually assaulted and strangled. Approximately three months later on September 7th, so now a bigger gap. A bigger gap. Vicki Marie Elliott disappeared. She was 21 and a night shift waitress at Ramada in coffee shop near

the starlight lounge, which was where Peggy Long had worked one of our previous victims. According to reporting by the Tampa Tribune, she was planning to return to Michigan to study to be a paramedic. Investigators found an airline ticket lying on her bed. She almost made it. This is crazy. This guy's just going around just killing everybody. Right. She asked a neighbor for a ride to work, but Vicki was actually gone when the neighbor showed up to give her the ride. Her body was found two months later on November 16th. It's actually said that Vicki carried scissors for protection on her mile long walk to work

because men would holler at her as they drove past which disgusting and gross. And when police found her body in a patch of some shrubs northeast of Tampa on November 16th, the scissors that she carried were found next to her. Exactly one month later, Chanel Williams was murdered. She was 18 at the time of her death. She had just moved from Winter Haven east of Tampa to Tampa just a month before she was killed. Again, it seems like all of these women were either on their way out or just came in. Like that just seems like a consistent across the board. Police said she was working as a sex worker and was last seen on the corner of Nebraska Avenue

on the night of September 30th. Her body was found on October 7th. She had been shot in the head and neck. Again, manna of death is not consistent across the board either. We've had stab wounds, strangling, and now gun shots. I was gonna say the M.O. is not the same. I mean, dumping the bodies the same, but as far as killing them, it's completely different across the board.

Right. Chanel was the only victim who was shot to death. Also, unlike the others, her body had not been bound. Because of these differences in the MO, police initially weren't sure if Chanel was even part of the murder victims, but forensic tests found the same tiny red fibers that were found on other victims on her. So that was how they connected it. Tampa Bay Times wrote,

we all know that your loved ones have to go some time, but you never think they'll go this way, said her mother, Lulu Williams. One week later, Karen Dinsfriend was murdered. Jesus does not stop. And I think obviously when I'm listing them this fast, this back to back, it's like, oh my gosh, like it's just a rampage,

but it really was. I mean, it is. She was strangled to death on October 14th. Her body was found in an orange grove in Northeastern Hillsboro. She was 28 years old. She grew up in St. Petersburg, Florida. She had last been seen on the sidewalk

of Nebraska Avenue seven hours before her body was found. So very similar to the other victims. Tampa Bay Times wrote, none of that negates the fact that she was a beautiful, bright girl, and who was loved by her family. This is her step sister, Cher, who told Times reporter this. She said, everyone had the opportunity to turn their life around, and my sister never got that chance. Kimberly Kyle Hoops was 22 when she was murdered next in October. Not much is actually known about her, which is so devastating. She had been living in the sulfur spring area of Tampa. She was last seen walking with a group of sex workers in mid-October near Nebraska Avenue. Her body was found on Halloween in an isolated portion of US 301 north of Tampa.

It was after this on November 3rd that Lisa McVeigh was kidnapped and then released. So we've caught back up to where then Lisa was kidnapped. Just two days after Lisa was let go. On November 6th, Virginia Lee Johnson's body was found near Morris Bridge Road. According to Google Maps, this appears to be in the lower Hillsboro wilderness preserve

just northeast of Tampa. So again, the same place. So it's not clear when she was murdered, but she had vanished from Nebraska Avenue between Fowler and Fletcher sometime in late October 1984. So she wasn't taken after Lisa. She was taken before Lisa, but her body was found two days after Lisa was released. Not much is known about Virginia and police were initially unable to even identify Virginia's body.

Virginia was 18 at the time of her death. She was from Connecticut and had been in and out of Florida for the past few years. She wasn't actually reported missing until months after her disappearance, which is why it took even longer to identify who she was. And then last, Kim Marie Swan was 21 when she was murdered on November 11th, 1984, just a week after Lisa was released. So this was after Lisa.

She had briefly worked as an exotic dancer at the Sly Fox, where Peggy Long had also been a dancer, which Peggy Long was another one of the victims. Kim had been a regular on the Nebraska Avenue strip since she was a teenager and according to the US son, she decided she wanted to change her life just a few months before her murder. She had a one-year-old son, Robbie, and she and her son had moved into her parents' home in Carrollwood.

She had reportedly enrolled in a vocational program to become a medical technician. She was last seen on November 11 at a convenience store. Her body was found under an overpass on Orient Road, similar to another overpass by a man who was swapping out a billboard. She had been strangled to death. Again, another woman who was just on the verge of making a big change in her life when tragedy struck. So that is the list of victims. So back in June of 1984, Sheriff Walter Heinrich warned that a serial killer may be targeting young women in Tampa, Florida. So this was after a couple of victims and they were like, okay, we think there's

something going on. Gary Terry, which I just think that's such a cute name. Gary Terry of the Hillsboro County Sheriff's Office became the lead investigator on the case. According to his interview with wfla.com, the series of homicides started and we were finding a body, it averaged out about every two weeks. He said it was a race against time. You know if you don't solve it soon,

someone else is going to die, which now you understand why when Lisa came forward and was like, I was just kidnapped and then he let me go. Police were like, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, this might be a huge lead. We have another survivor like this could make the case. I don't know if you are a fan of criminal minds listening to this, but this is the most criminal minds, like real life true crime case I've ever heard of. And you will see why even more towards the end, but still even just this, like them having to race against time

because a serial killer is just moving so fast is so criminal minds-ish. So between March and November 1984, the discovery of the bodies during that eight-month period was awful. It was awful for police, it was awful for everyone around. One crucial piece of evidence kept appearing at every crime scene. Red nylon carpet fiber. Also, one of the tire tracks showed one tire that was particularly rare.

So whatever car this killer was driving, one of the tires was different. However, law enforcement officers weren't able to track down the killer based on these clues. They were just going to help get a conviction, basically. They didn't have enough information, not until Lisa McVeigh survived and was possibly the 10th victim of this serial killer. But I'm confused because they had Linda that survived. So did they not have enough evidence with her? Right. So yeah, Linda did survive.

But it is important to note here that sometimes I feel like when we cover survivor cases or someone who has survived a case, it's so they're amazing. They're just every survivor is amazing. Body responses are different to trauma. So there's a high chance that Linda responded differently during the attack than Lisa did. And not one is right or wrong. I'm not putting one on a pedestal or one not.

I'm just saying that there's a chance that Lisa could provide more information than Linda could. Also have to remember, Linda had kids in her house. So her attention was probably not even on herself. It was most likely on her kids and protecting her kids. She probably wasn't even paying attention to the attacker very much. Whereas Lisa was alone with him for a very long time, and so she might have even had more of a chance to pay attention to him as well. Okay. No source said, oh, this is why Linda didn't, you know, but I'm just assuming and being gentle to the fact that all

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She also saw and heard him stop at an ATM on the way to drop her off. She also was able to retrace their steps from the night she was abducted. She recalled that they had stopped at the ATM at about 3 a.m. and that they passed to Howard Johnson's motel as they drove on the interstate. All of this she was seeing while peeking out of her mind. So easy to remember, is all that too? Yes.

On November 13th, the FBI lab called with huge news. The same red fibers found on Lisa's clothes had been found on the other homicide victims. Lisa was for sure undoubtedly the 10th known victim of their serial killer. On November 14, 1984, a special task force was formed by Tampa and Hillsborough County law enforcement to investigate the series of murders. The task force was comprised of the Hillsboro County Sheriff's Office, the Tampa Police Department, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, and the FBI. Approximately 30 officers were assigned to the task force. After this, detectives matched local owners of a Dodge Magnum with a list of those who made an ATM transaction during the time Lisa was held.

So we know he went to the ATM. So we can make a list of everyone who went to the ATM around this area. E.T.M.s, I'm pretty sure around the camera's as well, correct? Most of them, but not all of them. And then they also said, so we'll take owners of Dodge Magnums and we'll take a list of people who went to the ATM around this area during the time she was held and we'll see if any of the names match. And some of them did.

There were more than one. So on November 15, two detectives spotted a car and suspect matching the description they got in from Lisa and Lynn does physical description. However, they didn't arrest the suspect immediately. Instead, they took photos of the suspect and the car, notified their superiors, and obtained an arrest warrant. The warrant was for 31-year-old Bobby Joe Long. His name was on the list, police had made the day before. His name was Bobby Joe Long.

Yes. Okay. I don't know. Just, of course, his name was Bobby Joe Long. Of course. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. So, they are like, okay, we have was Bobby Joe Long. Of course. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. So they are like, okay, we have eyes on this guy.

He matches the physical description. He has the car. Let's check him against the list. And he was on the list. They got a warrant to search his apartment and his car. The arrest warrant was for charges pursuant to the Lisa McVay case. So they didn't pursue him for any of the other cases

just for Lisa. According to chillingcrimes.com, police kept Bobby under surveillance for 36 hours until they arrested him, maybe hoping they would catch him in the acts. Law enforcement then executed the search warrants, searching his apartment and car and gathered forensic evidence which would ultimately tie him to the cases. The carpet fibers found on the victims traced back to Bobby's car. They had found their killer. Now, I know you guys know this, I don't enjoy talking about the killers or the predators in our stories. I don't want to give them any more time than I have to, but I will examine the psychology

in their life if it might have something to do with the case, which is why we will even tap into Bobby Joe Long at this point. Bobby Joe Long was born on October 14, 1953 in West Virginia. Bobby was reportedly born with an extra X chromosome, a genetic condition called client-felt or syndrome, which results in excess estrogen development and some female traits such as breast development. So long was bullied and teased mercilessly as a child due to his large breasts because of this extra X chromosome. He underwent breast reduction surgery

during his adolescence to try to combat this. Bobby's parents actually split up while he was a young boy and he spent most of his childhood in Florida with his mother. His father wasn't around and he had a highly dysfunctional relationship with his mother. According to multiple sources, Bobby also sustained multiple head injuries due to various accidents while he was growing up. He had fallen out of a swing, fallen down a flight of stairs, been hit by a car, and been thrown from a horse. Most of these accidents had rendered him unconscious for a flight of stairs, been hit by a car, and been thrown from a horse. Most of these accidents had rendered him unconscious

for a period of time. I was gonna say, doesn't everyone sustain accents, but that sounds a little excessive. Right, like he lost consciousness. Yeah. Bobby felt the first grade, and according to biography.com, he developed a hatred for women that began with his mother. He actually shared a bed with her in their one bedroom apartment

until he was about 12 or 13 years old. And she had a habit of bringing men home often, which experts say could have led to the resistance in the hatred because he had to share the same bedroom as she was still actively being, having an active adult life. Bobby married his high school sweetheart in 1974 and had two children. After this, Bobby was involved in a serious motorcycle accident and his wife later claimed

that his temperament changed following this and he became very violent with her and the children. Maybe it was just the last head injury to push him over the edge. Bobby Long had also developed a strangely overt, compulsive, and often dangerous sex drive. Crime analysts would later attribute his violent character to a sexual obsession, labeling him as a sexual sadist. Again, if you watch criminal minds, you now know why I'm drawing a connection to this case. Despite the violence, Bobby and his wife stayed married for six years, living in Long Beach, California. And this is where he began committing his first sexual assaults. His MO was to contact women who were advertising some household item for sell through the

classified ads like the local penny saver. However, there isn't much detail about these crimes. And all the reports say he was never prosecuted in California for these rapes. Now if you remember, Linda, this is the exact way she was attacked and also she was left alive, which he left every victim alive in California of these sexual assaults as well. After the divorce, Bobby moved back to Florida to live with a female friend who would later accuse him of sexual assault and battery. Apparently, Bobby continued his behavior

of raping women he found through classified newspaper ads in Florida, but I wanna clarify that I looked and I can't find any real proof in terms of court records to back this up. It's just said that he did this, but either none of these women came forward. There's nothing in court details that I can find for this.

According to at least one report, he would respond to add selling things like small appliances. If he found a woman, home alone, he'd then assault her. He'd accomplished this by asking to use the bathroom, taking out his rape kit. Now, I'm not sure it was in this, maybe something to tie the victims up to gag them, whatever. And then would assault and rob the woman.

According to multiple sources, Bobby Long committed at least 50 rapes in Miami and Fort Lauderdale area using this method. This is all before he begins attacking in Tampa. Yeah, so what point did he decide, okay, it's not enough. I need to kill people now. Right. Because everything escalates and that's such a good draw. You're getting so good at

these cases about like learning more about these killers. So he eventually became known to police in Miami and the Fort Lauderdale area as the classified ad rapist. And this is all before he goes on to kill. According to investigation discovery.com, he was actually caught at one point in 1981 and went on trial for one of the assaults. He was convicted but requested a new trial. At Bobby's request was granted. So apparently there might have just been some mistakes somewhere along the way that granted him a new trial. But before the new trial could take place, the charges were dropped and Bobby long was once again out on the streets. So I do just want to give a note to our listeners here, please, please be careful when letting

strangers into your home, especially when no one else is home with you. Don't trust them just because they claim to be interested in looking at the toaster. You have for sale. Same goes if you're selling your car, anything. Don't be home alone and don't let strangers in. And I'm guilty of this. We've both done this. Like I've let people in because they're coming

to pick something up and I've just been like, sure, come in. And so this was even, and I, you know, this is something that I need to get better at. I know the term, it's better safe than sorry, is like overused, but it truly is. And don't be worried about looking stupid or filling stupid, it is better safe than sorry.

So we all need to get better at this. By 1984, Bobby was on probation for assault, but I can't find any further details as to what that specific attack was. He was also reportedly fired from his job as an X-ray technician at Tampa General Hospital and was living alone and now obviously living in Tampa. He was driving a 1978 Maroon Red Dodge Magnum.

So just 12 days after Lisa was released, Bobby was captured on November 16th, 1984, and transported to the Hillsboro County Sheriff's Office for questioning. Basically, because of the details that Lisa gave and they were able to make the list, that was really the only reason they found him. He was reportedly arrested outside of a Tampa movie theater. He was given his Miranda warnings and signed a formal Miranda waiver. He agreed to be questioned during the ensuing one and a half hours of questioning, Bobby Long confessed to the kidnapping and assault of Lisa McVeigh.

Authorities then began asking him about the serial rapes and murders. Detectives left the room to grab the photographs of the various murder victims and then return to the interrogation room and asked Bobby if he'd ever picked up any sex workers in the area or ever come across women riding their bicycle alone. At this point in the interrogation, Bobby stated, I'd rather not answer that. The detectives then confronted him with photographs of the murder victims. According to the Florida Supreme Court's opinion, Bobby said, the complexion of things have sure changed

since you came back into the room and I think I might need an attorney. Those were his exact words. Those were his exact words. So he was totally fine admitting to Lisa when that's all he thought police knew about. So he thought Lisa was the only thing police knew about. And so he said, yep, I did it.

I kidnapped her. I assaulted her, but I let her go. I didn't murder her. Like, I have a problem, but it's okay. I didn't kill her. Then they come back in and they lay out all the pictures and they say, also we think you did the rest of these, all the other 11 of these.

At the time, it wasn't 11 because they hadn't drawn all the conclusions, but we know it was 11. And he said, okay, yeah, you think I'm a serial killer, so I think I'm gonna now need an attorney. Law enforcement didn't provide Bobby with an attorney, but continued the interrogation. Oh, no. This is illegal.

Bobby ended up confessing to Virginia Johnson's murder and some of the other murders as well during this time. Oh, no, they didn't because now none of this is a miscible in court, right? Yeah, I won't stand. This confession would serve as the basis for one of his later appeals. So he still does go to court, but it will serve as one of the basis for his later appeals as Bobby argued that this was in violation of his of Miranda, which it was. Which it was. According to the Florida Supreme Court. That's so stupid because he obviously did it and I mean, I get it. They want a confession though.

It just sucks. It sucks. So according to the Florida Supreme Court, Bobby provided graphic details of his murders during his confession that only the murderer would know. And I don't need to go into too many of these details. You know more than I already have, but just know it's awful. Like when I said the detail about him displaying the bodies in weird ways, that's just like covering the brim of what he did to these women. I don't need to go into it. He talks about driving around with rope and weapons in his car and looking

for victims. So, you know, just know he was a horrific serial killer. Once he was arrested, police put Bobby or a photo of him in a lineup for Lisa McVey to see if she could identify him. Because she had felt her attacker's face and also caught small glimpses of him through the small gap beneath her blindfold, Lisa was able to identify him in the lineup. This is so brave and amazing because it's also traumatizing for her and also the fact that she was able to identify him in the lineup. This is so brave and amazing because it's also traumatizing for her and also the fact that she was able to say, yep, that's the one, that's huge in court. She identified him. The gritty details of the trial and the sentencing phase of this case was a little confusing,

but to my understanding, it's that on April 27, 1985, Bobby Joe Long was convicted of the kidnapping and murder of Virginia Johnson in Pasco County for which he was sentenced to death on May 10, 1985. Apparently this is the one murder that happened outside of Hillsboro County, so it's a completely separate trial. He's convicted and sentenced to murder for it. Then, Bobby Joe Long ultimately reached a plea agreement with the Hillsborough County State attorney's office where he agreed to plead guilty to eight of the homicides and to the abduction and rape of Lisa McVeigh. I'm guessing the other ones because there was no forensic evidence to tie him

to it. So it would have been. Which at this point, I mean, he's going to jail or getting the death penalty. Right. But I will say it does hurt for the living victim's families who their daughter or friend or whoever's name is not on the list. I know that everyone else is like, well, but we know it was him. But it's still you want that formal justice. You know what I mean. So these charges included at least eight counts of first degree murder, nine counts of kidnapping, eight counts of sexual battery, and one probation violation. In exchange, the state agreed to not seek the death penalty except for the crimes against Michelle Denise Sims as they were extremely brutal. Like I said, I'm not going to go into details, but that one they were like,

we can't give that up, we have to get the death penalty on that one. The judge, possibly a jury for sentencing and death penalty, sentenced a Bobby to multiple life sentences and to death. Law enforcement believes that Bobby was responsible for many more rapes than he was charged with as we talked about earlier. Now, you might be asking, well, if they were going to go for the death penalty anyways, why, why did they even take a plea deal? Like, why not just charge him? Yeah, because it's easier.

It costs taxpayers less money if he takes a plea deal. It costs everyone less time less effort. So if they were already going to get the outcome, they wanted they were totally okay with giving him a plea deal for some of them. Bobby Joe Long spent 34 years in prison until his execution among the longest stint on death row of any Florida inmate. Governor Ron DeSantis signed Bobby's death warrant in April 2019. Oh, recently. Recently. Like I said, he tried to appeal because of the whole Miranda rights thing, but that was just for a couple of the charges. They were like, we have you on other charges that didn't happen during that confession. So we're going to let it stand. He was executed by

lethal injection on May 23rd, 2019. Lisa McVeigh sat in the front row wearing a shirt that read long dot dot dot overdue because his last name is long. Lisa McVeigh stated, I want crazy. Right. She said, I wanted to be the first person he saw. Unfortunately, he didn't open his eyes the whole time. Survivor Linda was also present to witness Bobby's execution. According to the Gainesville Sun, she said it was hard to be in the same room as her attacker but noted that justice had finally been served. Family members of other victims were present as well. Bobby Joe Long died without saying a word. He was pronounced at 6.55 pm inside the death chamber at Florida State

Prison. Lisa McVeigh read a victim impact statement saying she had forgiven him. She said my life changed forever and for the better. She says I chose not to remain a victim and I chose to live. So on that no what happened with Because I'm curious with her being abused in her house Did the the police now get involved with that or what exactly happened?

Yeah, so Lisa McVeigh actually left her abusive home after her attack and moved into a runaway center. According to various reports and the lifetime film, police not only believe Lisa about Bobby, but they also 100% believed her about the abuse that was going on in her home life. The grandmother's boyfriend was then arrested. I haven't been able to find any more information

as to what became of grandma and boyfriend. The identity of Megvae's grandmother and the grandmother's boyfriend are actually unknown and I don't, I mean, it's kind of frustrating to me that they are because they were a huge part of Lisa's story but I mean, whatever, maybe she wants it to be that way. I don't know.

She later moved in with an aunt and uncle, aunt Carol and uncle Charlie, who were loving and who treated her well after everything. Definitely better than she'd been treated by any family before this. In 2004, Lisa McVeigh, who now goes by Lisa Nolan, signed up for the police academy and pursued a career in law enforcement. She eventually became a Hillsboro Sheriff's Dept. That's awesome. Working for the same department that had investigated her case and not arrested her attacker and

not only saved her from him, but also from the family life that she was in. She still works there to this day. Lisa Nolan specializes in sex crimes and has been working to protect children for almost two decades. She also works as a school resource deputy and motivational speaker. Lisa got married to a police officer two years after her abduction and the couple had a daughter before their five-year marriage ended. She states that surviving the trauma and abuse during her childhood is what gave her the ability to take notes and stay calm while being attacked

by bottom long, which goes back to what we were talking about before. She had been through crap, she had been through hell. She, I'm not saying she was used to it, but she definitely had found coping mechanisms before this. We tell this story in honor of Lisa, her life, and her legacy, but also in honor of every victim taken at the hands of evil.

Sometimes in these serial killer cases, the victims can become just a number or a name on the page because there's so many of them. So I want everyone who's listening to take the time today to think about each and every one of them, honor and remember them. This was the survival story of Lisa McVeigh, Linda Nittal, and the victims of Bobby Joe Long. It's crazy because we haven't done many serial killers on the podcast. And it's just, I mean, obviously all murder, all killing, sexual assault, anything of that matter is evil and horrible, but

something about serial killer, someone who just, especially Bobby Joe Long, um, sorry, this is a lot of ways to that Dave, especially this one, he just killed and killed and killed and killed like month after month after month after month and who knows how many people he killed in different states that we don't I mean he just never know sexually assaulted. I mean that's huge. Yeah. Oh yeah, it's disgusting.

It's disturbing. Bobby Jong-Long is disturbing. But yeah, I you know, you say we haven't covered a lot of serial killer cases. That's because sometimes I feel like serial killers, they live in infamy. Which they do because they're interesting and you're like, why do people do this? And you want to know every detail and you're fascinated and there's nothing wrong with that.

But sometimes like I said, the victims of these infamous serial killers can be overshadowed by the serial killer himself or theirself. So that's why I really want to, if we ever do cover a serial killer, I want it to be victim heavy. I want it to be victim focused. I still want to acknowledge the fascination of a serial killer. I don't think that there's anything wrong with that. But I also want to make sure we say their names and remember them and understand that they're

not just another name on the page, like I said, which I think we've done, you know. Yeah. Okay, you guys. Thank you so much for listening which I think we've done, you know. Yeah. Okay, you guys, thank you so much for listening. Thank you for caring. Thank you for loving us. I'm sorry that sometimes I get a little emotional in these cases, but it's only because I care about the victims so much.

And I know you guys do too. So thank you. Thank you for being here. And we will see you guys next week with another episode. I love it. And I hate it. Goodbye.