Murder With My Husband - 119. Jayna Murray - The Yoga Store Slaughter

Episode Date: July 4, 2022

On this episode of MWMH, Payton and Garrett discuss the murder of Jayna Murray, also known as the LuluLemon Murder. LIVE ONLINE SHOW TICKETS HERE! https://www.moment.co/murderwithmyhusband Case Sou...rces: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lululemon_Athletica Lululemon murder - Wikipedia Brittany Norwood | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers NORWOOD v. STATE | FindLaw Multiple newspaper articles were used to put together the timeline and reporting. Police Investigate Assault, Murder On Bethesda Row | WAMU Vigil Tonight for Lululemon Victim – NBC4 Washington (nbcwashington.com) Lululemon Bethesda slaying arrest announced: Brittany Norwood being charged with murder - The Washington Post Court Date Put Off In Bethesda Yoga Shop Killing – CBS Baltimore (cbslocal.com) Lululemon murder trial: Apple store workers say they heard "noises" the night of the Jayna Murray murder - CBS News Brittany Norwood likely will plead insanity - The Washington Post Nothing in Lululemon suspect’s past suggests she could have done what police allege - The Washington Post Prosecutor: Brittany Norwood Stole Merchandise Before Killing Jayna Murray - ABC News (go.com) Bethesda Lululemon shop reopens after death of employee - The Washington Post Grunts, screams came from behind Lululemon wall, Apple Store workers testify - The Washington Post Who is Brittany Norwood? Details start to trickle out about woman accused of Lululemon homicide | WJLA Prosecutor: Brittany Norwood Stole Merchandise Before Killing Jayna Murray - ABC News (go.com) Snapped: Women Who Murder: Brittany Norwood on Apple Podcasts Episode 14: Brittany Norwood | Snapped Photos (oxygen.com) The Yoga Store Murder - Google Books .The Lululemon Murder Story - YouTube : WARNING: There are lot of bloody images included. Jayna Murray Obituary - The Woodlands, TX (dignitymemorial.com) Maryland DOC Inmate Locator (state.md.us) Ads: Betterhelp: www.betterhelp.com/husband Factor: go.factor75.com/husband120 True Bill: www.truebill.com/husband Simpli Safe: https://simplisafe.com/mwmh https://linktr.ee/murderwithmyhusband  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey everybody welcome back to our podcast. This is Murder with my husband. I'm Peyton Mourland. And I'm Garrett Mourland. And he's the husband. Yeah, I'm the husband. Okay, do you want to tell him the good news? I think you should tell him. Okay, five. So Garrett and I, I don't know if everyone was around for the last one, but we have decided to do another virtual live show. We did it last time. It was so much fun. It was one of the funnest nights. There was a live comment feed that we got to talk to everyone on as we told a live story. And we have decided to do it again this month. It will be July 31st, the night of July 31st, and you can purchase a ticket and
Starting point is 00:00:43 then watch us tell a story live. We will be interacting with you the whole time and there's a whole bunch of other fun bonus things we do. And I think you are really going to want to be around to hear Garrett hear the story. I'm going to tell on this live episode. You can go purchase a ticket now to this kind of price. They'll kind of raise it. They get closer to the actual live date. But last live was super fun.
Starting point is 00:01:06 And we have a theme that we're going to start doing for all our lives. That is only going to be available on our virtual live shows. We won't ever be doing another case like those again on our regular show. And we won't be releasing it anywhere. It'll just be on our lives. Exclusive. Correct. You can go to momenthouse.com or you can also just, we're going to have links all over. They'll be on our live. Exclusive. Correct. You can go to momenthouse.com or you can also just, we're going to have links all over.
Starting point is 00:01:26 They'll be on our website. They'll be in all the podcast descriptions. They'll be in our Instagram bio, TikTok wherever you are listening. We're going to have a link somewhere. So we have actually decided that the theme we're going to do on these virtual live shows are telling Garrett the more infamous cases that we kind of all know, but he's never heard of. And I wanted to save this for the lives because we do have the live comment stream going. And that way everyone can kind of jump in because everyone will be not everyone,
Starting point is 00:01:57 but some people will be more familiar with the case. And so I think it will be really fun to interact with people. But then also see your reaction to these cases that we all know and you clearly don't and they are always the most shocking and most disturbing. So the case we are going to be covering at the end of July is the case of Casey Anthony.
Starting point is 00:02:17 Now I know that name probably sounds familiar to you, but Garrett, I feel like I've heard that name, but nothing. Nothing. So this is definitely going to be something you are not going to want to miss. So please join us at the end of July. Again, tickets are linked everywhere. And then also on momenthouse.com. It's virtual and it will be an exclusive episode to only that day.
Starting point is 00:02:39 So yeah, I mean, the last one was a blast and I seriously can't wait for this. It was actually super fun. We was our first time doing it and we had a really good time. I mean, the last one was a blast and I seriously can't wait for this. It was actually super fun. We was our first time doing it and we had a really good time. So we're super excited to do it again. Last one was like six months ago. So we don't do them very often. So please come if you can.
Starting point is 00:02:56 All right, I don't know how you're going to one up that with your 10 seconds, but. All right. So I talked about before how I wear vans. I've been on this like Nike kick lately and I've been buying a bunch of, they're not cheap. I just wanna preface that, but a bunch of the Nike dunk lows. I just bought my second pair, I don't have that many, I just have two. I just bought a second pair and I don't know, I like them.
Starting point is 00:03:18 And here's the thing, is like, I feel like as a girl, I buy different shoes. I have my whole life, I've bought a whole bunch of different shoes. I never had this one pair of shoes that I wore with a lot of outfits. It was always changing my shoe upon what outfit I was wearing. For you, since I've known you, you've had like three pairs of shoes. Yeah, I've never been a shoe person. I wear like my same pair of vans for years, like three years.
Starting point is 00:03:42 Yeah, so to me, it's like, okay, well, yeah, if you want to buy two pair of shoes, I mean, that's kind of fun because you're not really, you always just wear the same shoe. I know, so it's kind of nice to be able to switch things up. Yeah, that's fun. But other than that, I don't have much for you guys today. I'm sorry, I'm just, I have a cough drop in my mouth,
Starting point is 00:04:01 so I'll make sure you don't hear it in the mic. Don't worry. Other than that, my wife is looking pretty cute today. So it's got to throw that one out. But we won't be too cringey and we'll hop right into it. Thank you. You're welcome. Okay. Our case sources are Wikipedia, murder, NBC for Washington Post CBS local dot com CBS news wjla.com go dot com oxygen dot com a couple Google books a snapped Apple podcast episode dignity memorial dot com and state dot MD dot us our case this week begins on March 12th 2011 in the Washington DC suburb of Bethesda, Maryland. Now, we are actually outside of a local Lululemon Athletica store on Bethesda Row.
Starting point is 00:04:49 So in preparation for this case, I say, Garrett, make sure to put on your Lululemon pants that your mom bought you. He has no idea why, but now you do. It's because we were outside of a Lululemon. So for those listeners who do not know what Lululemon is, according to Wikipedia, Lul Lulu Lemon Athletica is a Canadian athletic apparel retailer founded in 1998 as a retailer of yoga pants and yoga
Starting point is 00:05:12 wear. The fact that Canada? Yeah, and they have now expanded to athletic wear, lifestyle apparel, accessories, and personal care products. I do like Luluululemon. I'm not gonna lie. The company has 574 stores internationally and also sells online. Sony lists to say they're a very big apparel company. But back on March 12, 2011, the manager of this specific Lululemon store in Bethesda arrives a little before 8am that morning to open shop. I want to note here that from Google Images Bethesda Row a little before 8 a.m. that morning to open shop. I want to note here that from Google Images Bethesda row looks like a super nice and clean cute shopping street with stores lining both sides. There's lights hanging from building to building.
Starting point is 00:05:56 It's very fun atmosphere. But when Rachel, the manager, arrives that morning, she pulls out the store keys to unlock the door, but then notices that the door is already unlocked. This is odd. But Rachel assumes that someone had already come in earlier, or maybe whoever closed had just forgotten to lock up. Rachel swings the door open and steps inside the Lululemon store only to stop in her tracks once again.
Starting point is 00:06:21 Not only are the store lights already on, from what she see, the place kind of looks to be almost ransacked. Decor and clothing are thrown all over the ground, cabinets are open. Rachel just stares at the scene in front of her, so confused. Had they been robbed? Rachel digs for her phone while cautiously calling out for anyone. Maybe it was a misunderstanding and another employee was already there. But that's when she heard the moaning coming from somewhere in the back of the store. Rachel was like, yeah, absolutely not. And Matt dashed back out of the store and onto the street calling 911 to report it.
Starting point is 00:06:59 While out there, she notices another person who was waiting outside of the neighboring Apple store for it to open. She explains to him that, you know, what had just happened in there and asks if he will go back in there with her to make sure no one's hurt because there was a moaning sound. Ryan, the man, has no idea what's going on, but he agrees to help and goes with Rachel back into the Lululemon store. Ryan pushes his way through the distressed storefront while Rachel waits back. It's only a minute before Ryan yells from the back of the store, call the police. I think someone is dead. Oh my gosh. Ryan had found a body lying face down. He tells Rachel there is also another person tied up in the bathroom who is barely breathing
Starting point is 00:07:45 and he thinks she was sexually assaulted. Rachel immediately calls 911 again for the second time to report what they'd found in the Lulu Leman store. That's insane just in the back of the store. Montgomery County police respond to Rachel's 911 calls and arrive at the Lulu Leman store. They discover the store in disarray and the dead body in the back belonged to a 30 year old woman named Jaina Murray, an actual employee of the Lululemon store who had worked the closing shift the night before.
Starting point is 00:08:16 That's what my next question was going to be. Is is someone that works at the store? Right. She was now dead in the store, found laying in a large pool of her own blood. They also discovered 28-year-old Brittany Norwood, hands and feet zip-tight, and visibly shaking in the bathroom. She had cuts all over her chest, her legs, her arms, and even her face. She had a deep wound on her right hand that ran parallel to her thumb. The store is covered in blood. Like I said, it's in huge disarray and they discover two sets of bloody shoe prints, one big and one small all throughout the store. Montgomery responders rushed Brittany to the hospital where once stable, she would later
Starting point is 00:09:00 recount what had happened that night, having somehow lived to tell the tale. So I know we're in get into it, but I assume because it's a retail store, there is cameras. There are not. There are not. No, and it's 2011. But there were no cameras in Lululemon. Okay.
Starting point is 00:09:19 Brittany explained to police that her and Jaina were closing the store together that night. March 11th. Once they left, she realized that she forgot her wallet and so she hurry and got a hold of Jaina and asked her to come back and unlock the store for her so she could go in and grab it. Brittany was a newer employee and Jaina would have been considered a higher up employee, so that's why she was the one with the keys after closing. While inside the unlocked store, Brittany described two masked men barging in and attacking both her and Jaina. Once the two masked
Starting point is 00:09:52 intruders had control of the girls, they tied them up and then began sexually assaulting each girl. Brittany explained how Jaina began fighting back and resisting the assault. And that's when she says the men began beating her profusely. She says she watched as they eventually stabbed her friend and coworker to death. Brittany realized that at this point she was just going to do as they asked in hopes of not meeting the same fate as Jaina. And somehow they beat her, they cut her up with the knife, but nothing fatal enough to kill her. She was left tied in the bathroom with her hands above her head, waiting for morning
Starting point is 00:10:30 to come. Police demand the hospital perform a sexual assault examination in hopes of retrieving DNA, and they leave Brittany at the hospital so they can start investigating and discover what awful vile people had done this. It was classified as a robbery turned homicide and attempted murder against these two women. Sorry, real quick. Why attempted murder? Like they killed somebody.
Starting point is 00:10:52 Right. Well, they killed one. So it is homicide. Oh, but then Britney lived. So that would be attempted murder. Understood. Yeah. So it's both.
Starting point is 00:11:02 So now I'm going to explain to you who Jaina and Brittany even are, who are these two women. Jaina Troxel-Murray was born on November 22, 1980 to David and Phyllis Murray in Wichita, Kansas. Her father was actually a former Vietnam veteran and ran a very tight strict household. Jaina eventually made it through high school and actually attended St. Louis University in Madrid, Spain for two years before coming back and graduating with a bachelor of science degree from George Washington University in Washington, DC. Jaina then began working on her master of communication and masters in business administration from Johns Hopkins
Starting point is 00:11:42 University also in Washington, D.C. Her MBA master's thesis was on the corporate model of Lululemon, the athletic wear apparel store. This was her thesis because while getting her master's, Jaina worked as the sales team leader for Lululemon. Jaina was very interested in health and wellness, fitness, she had led a very active lifestyle hence why she even wanted to work at Lulu Lemon. Brittany Norwood was one of nine children.
Starting point is 00:12:10 Her father actually owned an upholstery business, and although they didn't have much, hard work and education were taught heavily in the Norwood family home. By high school, Brittany was demonstrating good athletic skills and actually was recruited to play at Stony Brook University on scholarship as a defender on the women's soccer team. She started college in 2000 and played until 2003 when suddenly she was accused of stealing by not just her teammates, but also classmates
Starting point is 00:12:38 and even roommates. She definitely had a little problem with this, but it was almost like something everyone was like, oh yeah, she just does that until it got too much. It was almost a joke, though. A former soccer teammate said, Norwood was her best friend in college. She says we had a falling out because the girl was like a klepto, adding that Norwood stole money and a designer shirt from her.
Starting point is 00:13:01 She also said that Norwood was very sweet, very funny and amazing soccer player. This was just her only downfall. Another teammate interviewed by ABC News shared, other girls on the team told me things like, watch your locker, keep it locked. She's been known to steal things. Okay. Either way, no charges were actually filed,
Starting point is 00:13:20 but Brittany was thrown out of the school and obviously lost her scholarship after all all these girls had come forward. That's really interesting. I don't know if this is going. Yeah, I'm just interesting. So after this mishap and not being able to graduate, Brittany Norwood moved to Washington, D.C. to live with her sister. There she found success working at the front desk at the Willeard Intercontinental hotel where she was quickly promoted to managing VIP guests. It was honestly a good job, but Brittany still had athletic ambitions and decided that she wanted to become a personal trainer. She began applying for jobs at fitness studios near the Lou Leman store and that's where she how she eventually ends up working at Lou Leman. This show is sponsored by BetterHelp.
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Starting point is 00:16:21 are looking for two men, one around six feetweek tall and the other around five-foot-three inches tall. This was according to the surviving victim. So is Brittany a suspect at this point? No. I guess is my question. No. Okay. No, she's a victim. There were no security cameras and no evidence of a break-in because the men had used the unlock doors left open by the girls. The store owners offered a $125,000 reward to anyone who could help police find, apprehend, and convict the two male suspects. I still cannot believe that there weren't any cameras. I know.
Starting point is 00:16:57 When I, when I, when I was a blows by my mind, I was like, I was going to have a panic attack. I know for sure that Apple Store next door had cameras. So there were cameras on the street. Okay. Like on Bethesda row, but there weren't cameras inside of Lulu Lemon. Yeah, it's just, I don't know. It's crazy. So now again, Bethesda row is described as a celebrated upscale mall offering a variety of trendy retail shops, restaurants, and a movie theater within the complex complex is upstairs, Apathes De Ro, a development of luxury trendy condos for a residence to go downstairs to explore.
Starting point is 00:17:29 So all this shopping on the main level and then all of this luxury housing above it. Now I do have a question, where you grew up, were there Apple stores in 2011? Oh yeah, uh huh. Definitely, okay, I didn't know if this was like some, before it's time thing that there was a Lou Lemmon and an Apple story There was an Apple comment because that definitely was not in my hometown. Yeah, there was two that I knew that we're pretty close
Starting point is 00:17:52 Okay, yeah, we were still just rocking like I mean Hollister was a big deal So like buckle just came and deared literally literally we were just like a macy's deal I'm a matured. Literally, literally. We were just like a macy's a dill, it's like mall. So the murder itself really unsettled this previously quiet and low crime, almost crime-free suburb of Bethesda. When I looked up how safe is my town searches for Bethesda, it revealed that it was a town with a much lower crime rate
Starting point is 00:18:21 compared to average America and even had an A plus when it came to crime. So this was just very rare for this specific neighborhood. Because of this, the community plans of vigil for Jaina on Bethesda Roe while Brittany is still recovering. So it's March 18th, 2011, one week after Brittany and Jaina were attacked at Lululemon. The vigil begins in remembrance of Jaina at the mindfulness center in Bethesda.
Starting point is 00:18:47 Dr. Deborah Norris led a meditation and Reverend John Love led a prayer. But as the beautiful remembrance is happening, whispers begin filling the room, quiet chaos ensuing. Brittany Norwood, the survivor, was just arrested and charged with first degree murder in James death. So that's, you felt it going there.
Starting point is 00:19:10 Exactly, yes, I felt it. That's why I asked that question. I think just because the way you explained her past, doesn't always make you a suspect. I guess I'm trying to think how often does someone brutally kill someone and then leave the other person alive? Yes. Probably not very often. Unless, like, maybe she got stabbed and was, like, barely breathing,
Starting point is 00:19:30 but that was in the case. She was cut in a few places and she seemed, quote unquote, I mean, she seemed perfectly fine. Right. And I mean, it's very rare that I would share a hard part of someone's life if they're a victim if it didn't pertain to the story. Yeah, yeah. share a hard part of someone's life if they're a victim if it didn't pertain to the story. Yeah, yeah. But I had to include it, but you know, it was hard. While I was writing the script, it was hard.
Starting point is 00:19:50 Interesting. Okay, so she just got arrested. She just got arrested. Apparently there was no masked intruders. It was just Brittany and Jaina, two Lululemon workers closing up the prestigious yoga store when everything turned not so namaste.
Starting point is 00:20:06 How do they prove that? So you literally what did police know that the public didn't? It had only been a week. Like what had happened in this last week that the public had no idea about. Police weren't going to tell anyone. They weren't talking to the media. Those details would only come out at Brittany Norwood's trial seven months later.
Starting point is 00:20:29 So imagine being in this town where there's hardly any crime. And you're like, oh my gosh, these two Lulu lemon workers were attacked, one barely survived, the other died, and then the police a week later, like never mind, we arrested the other girl for it and then you have to wait Seven months to figure out why yeah, something's going on so while waiting for trial to actually begin the same
Starting point is 00:20:52 Lulu lemon store that had been boarded up and closed since the day of the murder Reopened in June of the same year Kate Marie Jaina's sister and her parents David and Phyllis, were at the store's reopening, where a stained glass mosaic with the word love in cursive was unveiled above the entrance in-remember of Janice. So when they reopened the store, they redesigned the whole thing to honor her. They said, today is such an honor for Janice.
Starting point is 00:21:22 Today is a day she is turning cartwheels in heaven. Which just, I mean, according to them, Lulu Lemon was very important to Jaina. It had been her thesis. She had been working there. She loved it there. So I'm really happy the store decided to try and honor her. In April, her parents also came out and told media that they are just as confused as everyone. They claimed Jaina never even mentioned Brittany. They didn't even know who this girl was. What could have gone so wrong that she killed her if they weren't even close enough for Jaina to bring her up?
Starting point is 00:21:54 Then finally, after back and forth trying to plead insanity, Brittany Norwood is charged with first degree premeditated murder and second degree specific intent to kill murder. Her trial starts on October 26, 2011, and the details that emerge shock everybody. Jaina Murray and Brittany Norwood had been co-workers for only three weeks at the Bethesda Row location Lululemon, and were working together the night of March 11, 2011. They closed the store and left the building that night. According to witness statements,
Starting point is 00:22:28 Jaina performed a bag check on Brittany before leaving. Now a bag check is a common practice used in many scenarios, but also on employees. An upper employee asks to check all of the employees' bags before everyone leaves just to make sure no one is stealing product. It's just something they do. This can also be done to customers as well. You can say please let me check your bag before you leave the store. But this specific night,
Starting point is 00:22:52 Jaina performed one on Brittany. Jaina saw stolen yoga pants in Brittany's bag that she didn't pay for. And if you remember, she has a history of stealing, she literally lost her scholarship and got kicked out of school for this. It's unclear whether Jaina confronted Brittany about it or if there was just an awkward silence as Jaina handed them back to Brittany. Either way, Jaina knew that this new employee Brittany was stealing a pair of yoga pants. We don't know if she was like, hey, you need to return these. We don't know how that specific exchange went. We know this, though, for sure that she knew because Jaina then called another Lulu Lemon employee to ask if Brittany had
Starting point is 00:23:31 bought those pants from her, like maybe you did sell them to her. And she was like, no, no one sold her those pants. So we know she was definitely suspicious. Both girls closed up shop and left for the night. Around 9.51 p.m. Brittany calls another sales associate for Lulu Lemon and claims that she left her wallet back at the store. Because they barely know each other, Brittany didn't even have Jane as a number and needed it, needed to get it from this other employee.
Starting point is 00:23:59 She then called Jane and asked her to come back to the store to let her in so she could get her wallet. And this is how premeditated came into play because they had already left the store. Got it. So for her to find a ruse to bring her back to the store is how the state is saying this was premeditated. I guess I'm confused because wouldn't premeditated just be murder first degree murder. Yes, but she could have been charged with second degree murder
Starting point is 00:24:25 if they had just broken out into a fight in the Lulu lemon. I guess what I'm asking is there a difference between first degree murder and premeditated murder? Okay, as you guys know, I am not an expert. So I just looked it up on lawrena.com. It says first degree murder is the most severe form of murder defined in the US legal system. In these cases, the murder is committed with malice,
Starting point is 00:24:47 a forthought. In other words, the crime was committed with the intent to cause harm to and kill the victim with no regard for human life. The unlawful killing must also be premeditated for it to be deemed first degree murder. So yes, I would assume that if it's premeditated, it's first degree murder. They. They go hand in hand.
Starting point is 00:25:06 So on March 12th, the day they were found, Detective Diana Mackie met with Brittany at the suburban hospital to get her statement. Everyone, including Detective Mackie, considered Brittany a victim at this point and truly just needed her story and help in finding a suspect. During this interview, the story about the mass intruder comes out. And Detective Mackie notes the incredible detail Brittany was using to describe the supposed attack. She claimed that she was assaulted
Starting point is 00:25:35 with a clothing hanger from the store, and that's why when she was found, the crotch of her pants were torn. But the hospital reported back to police that Brittany's examination revealed no evidence of sexual assault. Now, I tried to look up statistics on this because I don't want to jump to conclusions,
Starting point is 00:25:53 but I really couldn't find any. I kind of feel like we need more details here to clarify what no sign of it actually means. Does this mean there were no signs of sexual activity at all? Does this mean there were no signs of violent sexual assault? Does this mean there was no DNA? Like, I don't actually know what concludes a negative sexual assault examination because there are times where just because sexual activity was violent doesn't mean it was an assault. Yeah. Right? So it can be kind of confusing.
Starting point is 00:26:26 But I'm assuming because she clarified they used a hanger and there were no signs of sexual assault, this is a different story because there would most assuredly almost be violent sexual assault in that case. So after this on March 14th, two days later, Detective Demetri Ruvan and James Drewry were asked to speak with Brittany at her home.
Starting point is 00:26:48 At this point, they still think she's a victim. So even though the hospital said there was no signs, it didn't really sway them. Brittany cried to detect as while revealing even more details about her supposed attack. Police still considered Brittany a victim at this point. On March 16, two days later, police again asked to meet Brittany at the station to collect her fingerprints and hair samples for elimination
Starting point is 00:27:12 purposes. Police sit her down for questioning while she's there. Now, in the past two days, police have grown suspicious of Brittany. I even believe that they found DNA evidence against her inside of Jane's car, but Britney's story never put her in Jane's car. So I think that they bring her in this time to figure out why there was evidence she was in her car. She's crazy to me to think that like the average person can just kill someone. You know what I mean? Like that it's not someone who I don't know. She's just she's working with a little lemon. Right.
Starting point is 00:27:46 And then she just kills her coworker. Well, and you're about to find out that she didn't just kill Jaina, she slaughtered Jaina. Oh my God. Like it definitely is not an average person. Okay. So they ask her upfront, have you been inside Jaina's car? Do you even know what kind of car Jane adrives?
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Starting point is 00:30:13 the suspects untied Brittany and forced her to go outside on her own, get in Jane's car, move it, and come back in. Okay, so now she's starting to realize... Well, maybe they had evidence of me being in there. Oh, wait a second, I forgot to tell you that, how did go get in her car and just hang out while they were killing her. Okay, so the next day, March 18th,
Starting point is 00:30:33 police bring her back in for questioning. And she's the one who initiates the conversation about moving the car to a different parking lot. And there's actually parts of this interview online, not the whole thing, but just sections of it. And she says the reason she didn't just get in the car and go find help was because the attackers had seen her home address on her ID and she was scared they would find her. Oh my gosh. But then she goes on to say, I even passed a cop while moving her car.
Starting point is 00:31:01 And I didn't do anything. I just parked the car and went back into the Lulu lemon to be attacked. Oh, it's over. It's, yeah, it's over at this point. And so police are like, Brittany, this doesn't make sense. This absolutely makes no sense. Your story makes no sense. So during this interview, Brittany is growing frustrated and tired,
Starting point is 00:31:21 and she wants to go home. So at this point, police confront her with all of the evidence they had collected that I'm gonna tell you about. And then also say, we found evidence you were in her car. Your story doesn't make sense. We're suspicious of you. Yeah. Eight different murder weapons were used
Starting point is 00:31:37 in the murder of Jaina. Oh my God. And this was the evidence they had found that led them to arrest her just a week after. This is what they had been working on the last six days. It was a rampage, a blood bath, brutal brutal murder. She sustained at least three hundred and thirty two separate injuries from the attack. Holy crap. She had 105 defense wounds. So eight different weapons. Like what happened? Some of them were a hammer, a wrench, merchandise peg, box cutters, rope, all of that was found. It was already in the
Starting point is 00:32:13 store. She was hit in the head with a one foot metal bar from a shelving rack inside Lulu Lemon. And this shattered her school. Her spine was also broken. Like she had just, it was awful. I don't want to go into all of the details, but yeah, I also think it's important to show that this was, this was awful. And this is really evil. All of Britney's injuries were superficial. So when she was found, they were, you know,
Starting point is 00:32:39 nothing tragic except for Jaina was like brutally murdered. And so they were kind of like, this doesn't match up. This doesn't even look like the same attacker did these. Also, half of the bloody shoe prints belonged to Brittany. Okay. And the shoe she was wearing. The other half, the big ones, came from a size 14 display shoe found inside the store at Lulu Lemon.
Starting point is 00:33:04 I don't even know what else to say. Well, this means Brittany grabbed the shoe, dipped it in blood, and pranced around the store placing the shoe prints where she could to try to say, oh, a different person came in here. And then left the shoe there with the bloody sole. And then tied herself up. Yes. She then bound her own feet and her hands
Starting point is 00:33:24 and spent all night laying in the store next to Jane as corpse next to this girl who she'd only known for three weeks that she just brutally murdered because she was really trying to sell it. Yes. Yes. She was committed at that point. Right. Employees at the Bethesda Apple store, which adjoined the Lulu lemon store. Now this part of the story, I mean, there's a lot of parts of this story. This part of the story is confusing. So I'll just preface that. So this is the store right next to Lulu lemon. They share a wall, testified that they heard noises coming from the Lulu lemon store after 10 p.m. This is, it says, I heard noises coming from the right side of the store,
Starting point is 00:34:05 something heavy sounding an Apple employee said, like it was being hit or dragging, grunting, some thudding. The Apple store manager at the time also testified that he heard panting, like when you can't breathe, and you need to catch your breath. We just don't help, we don't call anyone. So the employee continued to hear noises, including,
Starting point is 00:34:25 this is what they testified, screaming and yelling. The employee heard one female voice, which sounded hysterical, and another female voice saying, talk to me, don't do this, talk to me, what's going on. The employee, the employee heard additional screaming, yelps and yells, basically, please help me, please help me. And then it all kind of, the Apple Store employees
Starting point is 00:34:50 left after 11 p.m. But this was all happening during that whole time. So, I'm just so confused. I'm not gonna blame anyone because it's not, they didn't kill anyone, but what happened? Well, and it's like, this is why I was saying it's confusing. And again, I don't wanna place blame on anyone either. No, no, no, no, and I don't know what I would do in that situation. I mean, I
Starting point is 00:35:09 Guess if you're in it, it might be different. Well, so they said their excuse was we just thought it was some drama going on at Lulu Lemon, which I mean, I don't know about pleading for help and about pleading for help and panting and thudding. I don't know. All I know is like sometimes we have kids who live in our neighborhood and sometimes in the middle of the day I'll hear a scream and I'll be like,
Starting point is 00:35:31 you're it. Oh my gosh, go check, go check. Make sure there's not a kid getting kidnapped out there. And he's like, they're just playing. Yeah, sure. So I am very aware of sounds and I also am not embarrassed. I'll walk out and make sure that the kid is okay. Make sure that they are just harmless playing. There's nothing going on. They're not getting attacked by a dog. They're not getting kidnapped
Starting point is 00:35:48 I am very aware of that But I also listened to a lot of true crimes. So I don't know I I don't want to speak any more on it But I found it important to share that this was testified as well. Yeah, no, I agree So there was also a security guard at Bethesda Row, but he was wearing headphones and was inattentive to the situation, didn't hear anything. So it's unclear however, how no one else called 911 that night and the defense would actually go on to use this testimony
Starting point is 00:36:16 to say it wasn't a brutal blood bath as the state was claiming. If it had been, they would have definitely called 911. It wasn't as big a deal as everyone's making it out to be, like, so they kind of used this testimony against them. At trial, the jury was shown all of this evidence. They heard phone calls. They also watched video footage of Brittany originally claiming
Starting point is 00:36:36 not to know the type of car Jane had drove then to confessing to moving it so they could say, hey, she lied. At this point, Brittany knew she couldn't deny doing it. There was too much evidence. So she claimed it was all self-defense. Oh my God. That the pair of pants had caused a fight and that she had killed her in self-defense. The jury spent less than an hour deciding that Brittany Norwood was guilty, claiming the evidence was overwhelming, which it was. Oh, 100%. She was sentenced to life in prison with no possibility of parole.
Starting point is 00:37:06 At her sentencing, what you kind of just said this, the judge said, you're one hell of a liar, ma'am, after every blow, you had a chance to think about what you were doing. So why though, like, did they say, there has to be a why? There's got to be a reason. The motive was because she just got the job and now she just got caught stealing pants and she just barely Been kicked out of school for stealing so maybe she thought I have to eliminate the worker who's found this out because I can't go through another
Starting point is 00:37:35 Life change where I'm fired for stealing her brain just turned off. Yeah, oh, I'm gonna kill someone so I can get out of stealing pants That's what they assume the motive is but they don don't have no, there's nothing else. She never said, I mean, she, she's the one who even said that she had killed her in self-defense because of the pants. Okay. So I'm assuming that it's probably right if that was her story as well. Okay. Jaina was described as someone who loved animals. She loved dancing and traveling. Jane lived life on the edge into the full list. Jane was laid to rest on Saturday, March 19, 2011 in Forest Park, the Woodland cemetery in Montgomery County, Texas. Her memorial page contains a lot of pictures of her,
Starting point is 00:38:18 including several more shared on the Find a Grave page. And I say all the time, they will be linked. But it really is nice to just go read what her friends and family have said about her. It makes these victims seem very real and it doesn't just feel like a story. So, you know, I would highly suggest doing it if you want to.
Starting point is 00:38:37 In 2017, the previous Lulu Lemon store was being moved to a new location. So, the store this had all happened and decided to move. And as part of the demolition, they actually cut out and gave Jane's family the stained glass window that was put up in her honor. And news force spoke to Jane's brother, Hugh. And he said it obviously means a lot to us as it represents Jane. We definitely wanted to preserve that and have it in our home. He then said that Lulu Lemon shipped it to Hugh, who now lives in Richmond with his children, who were born after Durgina died.
Starting point is 00:39:12 But I just also, Jaina's family was very, you know, just celebratory of Jaina. And I think that that is how they would want us to remember her today as, you know, just a girl who was ambitious, I mean, she was, her education was unreal. She just had a lot going for her and was taken so unfairly. So I wanna spend today, you know, honoring Jaina. So that was the case of Jaina Marie.
Starting point is 00:39:38 It's also crazy to me that, you tell me, I feel like I just repeat the same things, but she beat her to death, right? Basically, yeah. She basically beat her to death. Right? Basically, yeah. She basically beat her to the... She didn't just shoot her and it was one and done. She kept hitting her, she kept stabbing her, she kept hurting her over and over and over
Starting point is 00:39:53 again. It is awful. Which is just unbelievable to me. Unbelievable. We see it all the time in these cases, just... We can't fathom it, which is why we are fascinated by it, which is why we are sitting here going, how could someone do this? I mean, this case was highly, highly suggested.
Starting point is 00:40:13 I mean, Garrett even said, when I said, are you wearing your Lulele lemon, he was like, does this have to do with the Lulele lemon murder? And I was like, what do you mean? And he was like, I've seen it suggested a lot. So I hope that this, you know, this one was for everyone who had suggested that we covered Janez's story. I felt like I was,
Starting point is 00:40:31 I thought I was gonna be a little longer and more like complex, but it seemed pretty straightforward. And I think it's because the police were, seemed like they were just on top of it. Right, a week after. I mean, there's, especially because a lot of these stories where it's like, it's been 10 years and then we had to go through all the detail of it sparking back up.
Starting point is 00:40:48 But then another 10 years, this was like six days and police were like, I mean, and granted, there was a lot of evidence that was clearly pointing to her. But yeah, police were definitely on top of it. And the trial was fast. Everything was quick. Okay, you guys. Thank you so much for listening to us week after week. I mean, it's seriously, means everything, and we will see you guys next week with another episode, I love it. I'm gonna hate it. Goodbye.
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