Murder With My Husband - 134. The East Coast Rapist

Episode Date: October 17, 2022

On this episode of MWMH, Payton and Garrett discuss the brutal attacks executed by the East Coast Rapist and how a billboard eventually led to his capture. LIVE ONLINE SHOW TICKETS HERE! https://www....moment.co/murderwithmyhusband Links: https://linktr.ee/murderwithmyhusband Case Sources: Abcnews.go.com, “’East Coast Rapist’ Suspect Aaron Thomas Attempts Suicide,” by Dean Schabner and Kevin Dolak, March 6, 2011 Cbsnews.com, “First photos of ‘East Coast Rapist’ suspect Aaron Thomas,” by Edicio Martinez, March 14, 2011 Nbcnews.com, “East Coast Rapist suspect arrested in Conn.,” by the Associated Press, March 4, 2011 Wjla.com, “Aaron Thomas, East Coast Rapist, sentenced to three life terms in prison,” by Horace Holmes, March 1, 2013 Foxnews.com, “Authorities Credit Billboard Campaign in Capture of ‘East Coast Rapist’ Suspect,” by Fox News, date not provided Washingtonpost.com, “After 13 years, police still hunting for the East Coast Rapist,” by Josh White and Maria Glod, march 16, 2010 Washingtonpost.com, “Aaron Thomas sentenced to life terms for 2001 East Coast Rapist attack in Loudoun,” by Josh White, March 15, 2013 Washingtonpost.com, “East Coast Rapist suspect acknowledges attacks in several states,” by Josh White, November 10, 2012 New Haven Register, nhregister.com, “Connecticut case agains East Coast rapist dropped,” by Randall Beach, April 5, 2013 Insidenova.com, “East Coast Rapist will spend his life in prison,” by Amanda Stewart, March 1, 2013 Police1.com, “Police: DNA confirms suspect is ‘East Coast Rapist,’” by John Christoffersen, March 5, 2011 Patch.com, “East Coast Rapist Pleads Guilty to Halloween Attacks,” by Mary Stachyra Lopez, November 30, 2102, updated December 1, 2012 Criminaldiscoursepodcast.com, “East Coast Rapist,” image of billboard, October 19, 2020 Assisted research and writing by Diane Birnholz Ads: Prose: www.prose.com/mwmh  CareOf: www.careof.com use code mwmh65 Simpli Safe: https://simplisafe.com/mwmh Rocket Money: www.rocketmoney.com/mwmh Hello Fresh: HelloFresh: www.HelloFresh.com/Husband16 and use code husband16 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey everybody welcome back to our podcast. This is Murder with My Husband. I'm Peyton Moreland. You know I'm Gara Moreland. And he's the husband. I'm the husband. Okay first things first. I am wearing our exclusive Halloween Murder with My Husband merch right now. I even am using our blanket. Which is so cool. I know if you're listening through your headphones. You probably can't see the blanket right now. But everyone on
Starting point is 00:00:23 YouTube can. If you haven't seen seen it you need to go check it out I'm wearing the matching sweat pants. I'm wearing a full murder with my husband tracksuit right now Which is the coolest thing ever? Payton's going for run after this in my murder with my husband track No one will mess with me. No one will mess with me. That's a good point. That's a good point We're gonna have links everywhere if you're listening on podcasts and the description YouTube and description and it's on our Instagram on our website everywhere Just click the link and it'll take you to where you can buy merch kind of speaking of housekeeping I actually did want to give a little rundown to everyone about our Apple subscriptions
Starting point is 00:00:59 It's so cool. You can get the same exact bonus episodes that you get through our patreon But it's right there on Apple if you listen listen on Apple Podcast, one click of a button, you get add free listening bonus episodes, so check it out if you haven't already. Okay, it's time for your 10 seconds, and I think we've done a lot since we last recorded your 10 seconds. Yes, we have done a lot, so I'll try not to make this long. If you want to skip me and get the story you can, but that will make me a little sad. All right, first things first, we were in Vegas last weekend just for a pickleball tournament.
Starting point is 00:01:33 Didn't win, it's okay, it happened. You did good. Can't win them all, but it was fun, a good time. It was just fun to go out there, play some pickleball, eat some good food. We had an Airbnb and Peyton's family came out to, we kind of just hung up by the pool until that was a good time. On our way there we were driving. And I usually drive the speed limit, of course, every single time I'm driving. So we're
Starting point is 00:01:55 driving and there was this car in front of me that looked a little suspicious. Well, no, no, Garrett comes flying up on this car in front of him. Okay, I can fly up the speed limit on this car behind me, on this car in front of me. And this car looked little suspicious. It was a Tahoe, but it was like an older Tahoe, and it didn't look like it was a cop car, but I was just how weird feeling. So I started backing off, and then pulled over, and the car behind me came flying up and boom that car flashed its lights and it was an undercover cop car and so
Starting point is 00:02:33 No one knew it was a cop but the cop wasn't pulling anyone over it was just flashing its lights So no one would pass him so it's just piling up behind him Because anytime someone gets goes is, is speeding past him, he turns on his lights, but won't pull anyone over. So Peyton and I for like an hour and a half was great entertainment. We just played this game of, we got to watch people speed up trying to pass the cop car and he would just flick his lights on and everyone instantly break and pull over. And you just know their stomach drops like we would just like, oh, this guy's the next
Starting point is 00:03:04 big, there Here he goes You know it sounds Way it sounds kind of lame explaining it, but I promise it was way more fun than when we were driving last but not least We ate at this place in Vegas called honey salt was it honey salt honey and salt Honey and salt something like that. It was pretty good. Hopefully next time we go We can go to this sushi place that some people recommended. I'm a big sushi fan. Picking up so much. But I'll go.
Starting point is 00:03:29 But she'll go still and watch me eat sushi. I think that's what I have for everyone this week. No shoe updates, no clothes updates. No clothes updates. We've been too busy. And it's going to be winter soon, so no lawn update. But let's see what else we got going next week. Before we jump into it, I just want to reiterate that the chargers are going to win the Super Bowl the season. And on that note, let's hop right into it.
Starting point is 00:03:52 Wait a put it out there. Thanks, babe. Our case sources are abcnews.go.com CBS news NBC News.com wjla.com Fox News.com Washington Post.com, the new Haven register inside Nova dot com police one dot com patch dot com and criminal discourse podcast dot com before we jump into the episode I do want to tell everyone that we are going to be discussing sexual assault and rape today pretty heavily not detailed but just a lot of instances so if I just wanted to give a warning for everyone. So Garrett and I had a goal at the beginning
Starting point is 00:04:28 of starting this podcast to someday be able to see our logo up on a billboard. I know it seems weird, but it was a goal we had and I just want to tell you guys that we were able to accomplish that. We've had some messages. It's small. It might seem like a silly goal, but seeing murder with my husband on a billboard in our
Starting point is 00:04:50 local area was such a cool moment for us. And I know you guys would want to be involved in that too, because it's because of you guys that we were able to get there. Now not to harp on billboards even more. But we've seen billboards used as a tool in true crime to spread awareness on cases. From families all the way to police, they have been used to aid in investigations before. And today, we are going to cover a case that was solved because of a billboard. So our next Halloween episode begins in 2009. And as you guys know, it's October 31st, the night of Halloween.
Starting point is 00:05:27 We are in Dell City, Virginia, and kids all around have put on their costumes and begin excitedly running through their neighborhoods searching for the best candy. Halloween Night kind of has a different look depending on your age. Anyone under the ages of 12 to 13 spend the early hours of the night trick-or-treating and costume with their parents and then they go home, sift through their loot and go to bed. Adults without children tend to go out to Halloween costume parties, it's a night that gives an excuse to go out and celebrate. My favorite places to trick-or-treat were the elderly houses because they were the sweetest and most interested in your costume. They love handing out candy.
Starting point is 00:06:06 And then you have the teenagers on Halloween night. They do trick or treat, but not before 9 p.m. They might not dress up because that's for babies. And honestly, they might not even say thank you as they walk off your porch with candy. But they do mean well, even if they leave a smashed pumpkin as evidence of their coolness. But this Halloween night, three teenage girls are not like the other teenagers I just described. They are sweet, kind, good friends, and just have decided to spend the night together
Starting point is 00:06:36 going house to house to trick or treat. They are around ages 16 to 17 and really are enjoying their Halloween night. So as the night goes on in Virginia back in 2009, Halloween becomes a little more spooky. It begins to storm outside, getting cold and rainy. These three girls decide to cut through a shopping center, parking lot in the dark. They're heading home. And as the three of them are walking, someone comes up from behind them in the pitch black. The girls turn around, surprised and scared, growing even more tense when they realize the unknown person is a man. And his face is concealed, all they could see was
Starting point is 00:07:15 his eyes. He either has a ski mask on or his hoodie is pulled tight around his face. The strange and scary man then pulls something out and holds it towards the girls. And in their eyes, in the darkness, it looks like a gun. In this moment, the three teenage girls realized that all of their fears were reality. This was worst-case scenario and they were now scared for their lives. And I think this is something that, you know, all women can kind of somewhat relate to, I have never walked through a dark parking lot and not been scared that something bad could happen, holding my keys in between my fingers.
Starting point is 00:07:51 And now it's happening to these girls. It's a brutal and sad reality that we face in society. And even though there is three of them, it's no match for a man with a gun. I mean, it's just too hard. So after holding the girls at his mercy, the man forces all of them through the dark and empty parking lot and into a heavily wooded ravine behind the shopping center.
Starting point is 00:08:13 Okay, so I'm trying to figure out real quick. They are walking home, but they're walking through like, were they not trick or treating in their own neighborhood? I don't think so. Again, a very teenager thing to do to go to a different neighborhood. I feel like I stayed in my neighborhood like my entire life going up. Either way, most sources just said they were cutting through this parking lot to get to their next place. So it probably was just a shortcut, you know, and they were, they were just hanging out. There was no parents with them. So at this point, we know this man did not just force these girls into the woods for anything but awful reasons. So one by one, the man began sexually assaulting each girl
Starting point is 00:08:54 in this wooded area behind the parking lot. Now, I don't really want to say luckily or thankfully here, but one of the young girls actually had a cell phone with her at this time. Again, it's not like now where most 16 or 17 year olds carry around cell phones, so I'm assuming that's why this attacker didn't even check or pay attention for it, but one of the three girls does have a cell phone. And while one of her friends was being attacked, this young girl pulled her cell phone out and began sneakily texting her mother for help. Now imagine receiving this text as a
Starting point is 00:09:30 mother. Your teenage daughter was out trick-or-treating with two of her best friends. When all of the sudden she texts you that her friends are being raped behind a certain shopping center in town and they need help. This makes me sick. Right. After texting her mother, the young girl dialed 911 without the attacker noticing, which ended up stopping the attack because they responded promptly. In the middle of the attack down in the ravine, the girls and attackers suddenly heard footsteps nearby. This attacker suddenly and frantically jumped up and began running straight into the woods
Starting point is 00:10:04 away from the footsteps that were coming from the local police searching for the girls who were getting attacked. And somehow, by the time they found the scared and extremely violated teens, the man was in the wind. They searched and searched, but police were unable to catch him. And although these attacks were devastating, confusing, and felt all around town, this was not the first time it had happened. Not even the second or third attack, because unbeknownst to the girls, beginning in 1997, 12 years earlier. A series of rapes plagued the Eastern seaboard starting in Maryland. DNA would eventually
Starting point is 00:10:48 link at least 13 sexual assaults to one rapist who would become known as the East Coast rapist. And he just raped, he never killed. He never killed. And this rapist had just struck again attacking these three teenage girls on Halloween night in 2009. And because he escaped from police by the skin of his teeth that night, his rain of tear would actually go on for two more years, successfully evading police and continuing to assault girls and women across the East Coast. Super cocky that even though he's almost been caught,
Starting point is 00:11:26 he's still doing this over and over and over again. So as we just discussed, our story actually begins clear back in 1997. The many known attacks of the East Coast rapist began in Maryland. The rapists then attacked in Virginia, then Connecticut, Rhode Island, and then back to Virginia. The sexual assaults all took place at night and generally occurred near major highways. Many of the crimes were committed outdoors. The East Coast rapist M.O. was to approach women on foot or on bicycle. When they were outside, he threatened them with a weapon such as a gun, a knife, a screwdriver, he'd often conceal his face with a mask such as a gun, a knife, a screwdriver, heat off and conceal his face with a masquerade.
Starting point is 00:12:06 The girls or women who were attacked were just going about their usual business when these attacks happened. They were trick-or-treating or moving out of an apartment or waiting for a bus or taking care of their baby, but the first reported attack happened on February 19th, 1997. A woman in Forestville, Maryland was sexually assaulted at about 12.45 a.m. Her attacker came up on a bike, then threatened her with what looked like a gun, and forced her into the woods. He then fled the scene on the 10 speed bike. According to CBS News.com, seven months later, the rapist struck again. He attacked a Maryland woman behind a restaurant garbage bin. In 1998, the
Starting point is 00:12:45 rapist attacked a 16 year old girl in Maryland. This will later be linked to all of the other rapes by DNA. Two years later, in July of 2000, the rapist attacked and raped a woman in Hyatt's film Maryland. Again, this one is linked through DNA. Did he have an MO younger girls, older women, middle-aged women, or is it just all over the place? Never older than 50? A broad range from teenage to... So not really that much?
Starting point is 00:13:12 And I also think how risky that is to be raping all of these women outside, not under a roof in the privacy of their own homes or his home, I just think that is so risky. Yeah, housing up and caught. So like I just said, there was a two-year break and it makes you wonder whether this break, whether there were more unreported rapes or felt attempts that happened during this time or why take a two-year break. Another assault occurred in November 2000, which happened along interstate 395. On May 24, 2001, a woman in Leesburg, Virginia named Tracy Saunders was moving out of her apartment. A man abducted her, tied her up with rope and raped her in her empty apartment
Starting point is 00:13:58 using a screwdriver as a weapon to threaten her. The man then stole Saunders clothes and left her their naked. Saunders' clothes and left her their naked. Saunders was afraid that she'd never see her kids again during this rape. Three more years would go by before the next attack. Again, this makes you wonder, did he get caught for something else and go to jail for a bit? Was he just unsuccessful?
Starting point is 00:14:18 Why three years? And at this point, police have still not linked these rapes. In 2006 in Rhode Island, a girl was doing her homework when she saw a man peeping on her. She screamed and scared him off. Apparently, this is linked to the East Coast rapist, so it was a failed attempt that was reported. On January 10, 2007, the East Coast rapist struck a new havin' Connecticut. A 27-year-old woman was sexually assaulted in her home.
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Starting point is 00:17:37 I don't understand. I mean, I'm glad he hasn't. But I don't understand why he hasn't killed anyone yet. Well, I think he's just a sexual predator, not a murderer. Totally. I just feel like raping that many people or sexually holding that many people. I mean, I know murders is another step, but it's a lot of people. Right. A ton. It's a ton, so I just don't want to say.
Starting point is 00:18:00 It's like blurring the lines, but kind of at this point, like what you're doing is horrible. A serial rapist. Correct. And not, you know, a serial rapist who's raping women in his immediate life is attacking random women on the streets. Yeah. Uh-huh. According to CBS News, those attacks on Halloween night received a bunch of attention in media. And because of this, DNA connected these attacks to the others, and investigators began to develop theories and will spend years eliminating hundreds of potential suspects. The East Coast rapist is nicknamed and publicized after these attacks. On March 16,
Starting point is 00:18:39 2010, a Washington Post article comes out about how police are still hunting for the East Coast rapist. The article discusses how the attacks have been happening for years, beginning in Maryland, Virginia, moving up to New England, and then returning to Northern Virginia. It mentioned that the police could link all of these crimes by DNA. And this is 2009. Yeah. I feel like why are you leaving so much DNA at the crime scenes? Yeah, I feel like why are you leaving so much DNA at the crime scenes? It that is I mean we are pretty advanced. I mean we're not
Starting point is 00:19:09 2019 advanced, but still there was a quote that came out from a police at this point that said Somebody's going to know who's been in Prince George's who's been in Fairfax who went to Connecticut The bastards right there. We just need that one phone call. Somebody knows this guy. After the Halloween rapes, investigators turn to a relatively new, highly detailed police database that includes everything from traffic tickets to arrests, all indexed by time and location. They played around with the search parameters, adjusting the height and weight of the hypothetical suspect. They also set up a website seeking tips and put up electronic billboards with sketches of the suspect. The police set up a database called East Coast Rapist.com and this generated 44,000 hits in the
Starting point is 00:19:57 first 12 hours. Investigators said they have investigated and cleared more than 700 suspects at this point. In late February 2011, police roll out a new website and electronic billboard adds a long interstate 95 in a continuing effort to catch the rapists. This is two years after those girls were attacked on Halloween. These billboards are placed in states where the attacks took place, plus in neighboring states. Then finally, the police efforts pay off, and this case is solved because of one of those electronic billboards.
Starting point is 00:20:30 On February 28, 2011, police receive a tip from someone in Prince William County, Virginia, regarding the billboards about the case. The anonymous crime solvers tipster informs police that they know someone who bragged about committing the first attack police have mentioned clear back in 1997. And the reason police believe this tipster is because of the added detail about the rapist getting away on a bike during that attack.
Starting point is 00:21:01 That detail from the victim was never released to the public. The man that this tips or claims has bragged about the attack is named Aaron Thomas and he has quite the history. Aaron Thomas was born in August 1971 to Donald B. Thomas and Shirley Thomas and he grew up in the suburbs of Washington DC and this is the guy who they're suspecting to be the East Coast rapist. His parents were both working parents and Thomas's father was actually a police officer in Washington DC. Now there are many accounts that Thomas was abused badly by his father at home.
Starting point is 00:21:40 Specifics include accounts that his father, known as Big Dawn, would throw Thomas against walls and beat him with his thick police belt. Thomas actually had two half siblings, a half brother and half sister, but he was Big Dawn's only biological son. According to the Washington Post, quote, When we were both small, my father was a strict disciplinarian. Very strict, said Thomas's older brother. You didn't do anything
Starting point is 00:22:05 out of sort or it was hell to pay. When we started to fight back in our own way, problems started with Aaron, his brother. It seemed to go way down a rabbit hole. It went further. And despite the fact that it seems Thomas received it worse, his mother and half brother later described Thomas's behavior growing up as volatile, and he was always in trouble. According to his mother Shirley, he started acting out as early as first grade. Thomas once beat another elementary school student with the chain from a playground swing. Why didn't elementary school earn that insane? Earning him a suspension from the Suitland school. Thomas pulled dangerous pranks such as super
Starting point is 00:22:47 gluing his brother's hands to his bed or slipping him sleeping pills to find out what would happen. Holy crap, this kid nuts. He once lit a firework indoors at a relative's home on the 4th of July, starting a fire inside of the home. Quote, he also nearly drowned the family's dog. Thomas spent time as a teenager in alternative schools and psychiatric facilities because of his behavior. His first three years of high school were spent at Edgemead Treatment Center in Maryland. At that point, Thomas wasn't allowed to return to his regular high school because of his behavioral problems, so he was commuting to
Starting point is 00:23:22 Edgemead, which was 40 minutes one way by bus, from Fort Washington, Maryland, where his family was currently living. Thomas was finally allowed to leave the program and did his final year of high school at friendly high school in friendly Maryland, graduating in June 1990. Now in 1991, when Thomas turned 20, Big Don retired from the police force. Big Don was embarrassed by Thomas's behavioral troubles and problems with the law. And because of this, he had kind of cut himself off
Starting point is 00:23:51 from his son and in the public eye. His mother was actually the one who handed all of Thomas's run-ins with the law. Like you would think if Aaron Thomas was getting arrested, his police officer father would be the one to go handle this, but he was too embarrassed. So he would make his wife go handle it. Okay.
Starting point is 00:24:08 Quote, those close to the family recalled Donald Thomas telling people that he thought his son would turn out to be like his brother, his own brother, who at the time was serving a lengthy prison sentence from murder and Connecticut. Now on April 1st, 1992, Thomas was scheduled to testify in court against a criminal defendant who was accused of robbery. But before he could testify, he was shot in the buttocks by an unknown attacker. Police think it was a case of witness intimidation at a time when gun violence was kind of high in the city. So apparently Thomas was hit badly, collapsed, and nearly
Starting point is 00:24:43 blood to death. And according to sources, he was deeply affected by the shooting. He was blooded death in his butt. Yeah, from being shot in his butt. In his early 20s, Thomas was kicked out of his parents' home in Fort Washington. And he ended up homeless. He had no job.
Starting point is 00:24:58 He had no money. And he's been shot in the butt and almost died. He was arrested for cocaine possession three times and was put on probation for these offenses. And soon after this, the East Coast rapist would begin raping. So based on the anonymous tip, the police do extensive investigation into Thomas and they learn everything we just talked about. They also discover he was already on their large potential list of suspects. So they already had his name. It was just Where do they start? Yeah, police followed Thomas around waiting for a chance to get his DNA He's in Connecticut at this point in 2011 as police and US marshals observed him
Starting point is 00:25:37 They noted he appeared paranoid He took odd routes to and from home and he was constantly watching his back Do you think he knew that someone was watching him? Or was he always like that? I do think he knew someone was watching him and we'll get to that a little later in the story. So police actually get their chance to collect his DNA secretly
Starting point is 00:25:56 when Thomas throws out a cigarette butt. Now we've seen this before, it seems like they're always getting caught with cigarettes. The ironic part of this is that the butt was actually collected right outside of the courthouse like they're always getting caught with cigarettes. The ironic part of this is that the butt was actually collected right outside of the courthouse because Thomas was appearing in court on a criminal charge having been charged
Starting point is 00:26:11 with larceny for stealing a bike. They get Thomas's DNA from the saliva off the cigarette butt and they quickly get a match. It's so ironic. The Connecticut State Police forensic lab confirmed with DNA that Aaron Thomas is the East Coast rapist who has 13 DNA matches to rapes all along the East Coast and there's probably way more.
Starting point is 00:26:35 So just four days after getting the tip about Thomas on March 4, 2011, Thomas is arrested in New Haven based on the DNA match to him as the East Coast rapist. He is now 39 years old. Isn't that old? It's not that old. Quote, as Thomas stepped off a bus near his home, law enforcement swarmed him. He knew immediately what was going on and asked them what took you guys so long to get
Starting point is 00:27:00 me. No, he didn't know. So he just immediately, basically immediately confessed like he knew what was going on and didn't even try to do. Just so weird. He would just confess like that. Well, they have his DNA. I mean, it's so hard to argue 13 DNA matches. The police began conducting lengthy interviews with Thomas on the day of his arrest. Apparently, there's a 255 paid transcript of these interviews. Thomas immediately confessed that he was the East Coast rapist and described how it all began.
Starting point is 00:27:29 So back in the early 90s, Thomas was homeless in Prince George's County, Maryland when he admits to starting his serial rapes. In a crime that was never reported, he confessed to raping a sex worker back when he was homeless. He said he got, quote, an urge. He scared her, got her into the woods and raped her. This began a long pattern of attacks for him. He said he woke up the next morning feeling ashamed and disgusted with himself. Feelings that he would go on to say he
Starting point is 00:27:59 would experience with every attack. Do you think that's true? I mean, I do. I think that's definitely possible that after he would attack someone, he would feel bad about it or even feel remorse, but it didn't stop him from doing it. It obviously wasn't bad enough to stop the attacks. Interesting. I get maybe feeling remorse or bad about, hey, I lied about this or hey, I lied about that. But raping someone, he's feeling bad yet, he's doing it over and over again.
Starting point is 00:28:24 I find it hard to over again. I find it hard to believe him. Right. Well, and it's also just like rape is so violating and bad. That's what I mean. It's not like he lied about something like, oh, I, right. It's just kind of like, well, if you felt that bad, then you wouldn't have done it. 13 more for sure times. And again, rape. So like he said, he said, oh, I went to the grocery store, but I went somewhere else instead. He went. Right.
Starting point is 00:28:50 So Thomas initially targeted sex workers, which may be why these early crimes were never reported. So there's probably way more out there. But eventually in the middle of this, Thomas somehow got his commercial driver's license and got a job as a truck driver. Despite the fact that he now had an income, the urge to continue to rape did not stop. Quote from him, I just went to a woman, I scared
Starting point is 00:29:12 her and she gave me sex. Thomas said this according to the transcript with police. He said he would use intimidation, fake weapons, and threaten to subdue his victims. Thomas described walking the streets, noticing locations that would be good for an attack, scouting escape routes, and taking advantage of, quote, an opportunity when a woman would come along. He said he would jump out and take the woman from the sidewalk to the woods, a description that matches many given by the victims of his known attacks. So his line of attacks are also matching up with his victims line of attacks. In the summer of 1994, apparently after he'd already started raping women, Thomas saw a woman named Jewel Hicks while he was driving a truck and
Starting point is 00:29:53 they began a relationship. Hicks already had a baby boy and Thomas acted like a father to him. Thomas told police that there were times when he stopped raping particularly when his life was going better such as when he stopped raping, particularly when his life was going better, such as when he had a job, a relationship, a stable place to live, which this accounts for those two-year breaks, three-year breaks in between the attacks. He even described himself as a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde that he would feel terrible afterward, but that the urge would come back and this evil side of him would take back over. According to the Washington Post, Thomas said he never actually used a firearm in any of the attacks, instead employing things that looked like
Starting point is 00:30:34 guns such as the hard plastic handle of an umbrella or a replica pistol to scare the women, but he never actually had a weapon. Which to me, it's like, well, if it looks like it weapon, I would have thought as a weapon. I don't know what the difference is there. And also, you could still hit someone with an umbrella. Yeah. Often he would back off if a woman put up a fight. He said he has no idea how many possible attacks he didn't go through
Starting point is 00:30:59 with because the woman fought back. Imagine how scary that is. How many times he you actually tried? Also, it's just we've just a very weird case. Like, he wouldn't try to hurt them. He would back off if they fought. I don't know, I don't know. It's just weird.
Starting point is 00:31:18 It's just 100% sexually driven. 100% yes, I agreed. And Joel Hicks, his now serious serious girlfriend began to notice his dark behavior because although he's living a life at you know at her house with her and taking care of her baby son he's still raping. He's still raping women at night. She says that he'd go out at night and still things. He was very jealous and possessive of her. There were times she almost felt like their sex life was kind of like marital rape. Quote, if you didn't give it to him, he just took it.
Starting point is 00:31:50 During these evening times that he would go out, Thomas was also committing sexual assaults. On September 28th, 2000, Thomas and Hicks were pregnant together and finally delivered their baby, but the baby died the same day. One attempted rape in November 2000 came less than a month after he buried his own biological son. The attack happened along Interstate 395 we talked about it earlier and it actually happened not far from the lumber company where he was working at this time. Now at this point Hicks and Thomas weren married, but they did act like a family and
Starting point is 00:32:25 they bought a house together. And according to everyone around, Thomas seemed devoted to Hicks and to her son. Despite this, Thomas was arrested in 2001 and charged in connection with a domestic abuse incident against Hicks. According to CBS News, he smashed her into a bedroom window after he snubed through her cell phone and saw she'd been texting a male friend. However, the two stayed together and tried to work on their relationship for years. It was after this that Thomas committed the Leesburg rape of Tracy Saunders. According to him,
Starting point is 00:32:58 Thomas said the Leesburg rape occurred as he was driving home from a delivery in the area. He said he stopped his truck at a gas station, parked, bought some cigarettes, and went walking through the neighborhood where he eventually saw her. So after this rape and Thanksgiving of 2003, the couple went to visit Thomas' parents in Virginia where they had retired, and Big Don actually pulled his son aside during this visit and told him to take care of his mother and gave him a set of keys to the house, which all this was a strange request because the two of them barely spoke. Big Don and Thomas did not talk.
Starting point is 00:33:30 Big Don implored him to make more friends and take care of himself and three months later on February 4th, 2004. Big Don took his own life in his garage. After Big Don died, Thomas would and manish his mother to not leave her windows unlocked. Once Thomas appeared in an upstairs room after going outside, having climbed up and entered her house through an unlocked window and said, see, this is why you shouldn't leave your
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Starting point is 00:35:24 Essentially, he's warning his own mother about people like him. Because at this point, he's crawled into windows and attacked women. And now he's warning his own mother, hey, don't leave your windows unlocked. According to family, Thomas did tell people in his family that he was kind of doing awful things but he would never go into specifics and they would never ask. I was trying to figure out why, because I mean, he was married. It's not like he couldn't get with any girls. And it seems like he was only doing this for like a set like sexual.
Starting point is 00:35:54 So I'm just because the rape, the hurting a woman was the sexual part was the sexual pleasure had to be rape, which is probably why. Jewel said sometimes it seemed like he raped me, because that's what he liked. In 2004, Thomas and Hicks relationship broke, they decided to break it off. This was after 10 years of being together. Eventually, Thomas would move in with his cousin Tara.
Starting point is 00:36:20 She had a large home and he was given a whole floor of it. He had trucking jobs, but always seemed to be in trouble at work mostly because of his careless driving incidents such as hitting a low overpass He was one of the truck's who did that? He was a bit of a loner during this point in his life And he spent a lot of his time working out But eventually Thomas met a new woman named Dorothy Golding and they started a relationship They had a son together on July 14th 2005. Being seemed to be going well for Thomas again, this didn't stop the destructive path his life seemed to always be on.
Starting point is 00:36:53 Thomas and Dorothy would fight and Thomas would sometimes go out at night committing his crimes. So throughout this whole time, he's continually going out and attacking women. By October 2009, things weren't going well between Thomas and Golding, and he wanted a break, he returned home to Virginia and they eventually broke up. He was also still in touch with Hicks at this point, and she was moving and needed help
Starting point is 00:37:16 so he went to her home and helped her move out of her apartment. It was while at his old flames apartment that Thomas noticed something. Sitting on the mantle was a replica 9mm handgun, a fake that Hicks had bought for 10 euros while shopping. It looked real, but when you pulled the trigger, it emitted a flame. So essentially it was a lighter that looked like a gun. Now on Halloween, Thomas grabbed the lighter and jumped into Hicks' gold Chrysler 300 sedan. He regularly borrowed her car and Hicks's gold Chrysler 300 sedan.
Starting point is 00:37:45 He regularly borrowed her car and Hicks just assumed he was going out to run errands. This would be the night that he raped the teenage trick-or-treaters, using the fake gun to usher them into the ravine. So that one really looked like they'd done? Really did. Claiming that there was no real planning that night, Thomas told police he forced the girls into a wooded area because it was closed by. He led them down a steep slope, ordered them to line up, and then told them to lie down in the soggy leaves. Just this is so terrifying. Yeah, I can't. The teenagers would let it later testify about how terrifying this was,
Starting point is 00:38:18 believing that the gun in their backs was real, and that their attacker would kill them if they tried to run. It was only after hearing all of the footsteps that Thomas realized something had gone wrong. Quote, I heard a whole lot of footsteps so I ran. Thomas went straight through the woods tossing the gun lighter aside and circling back to the parking lot. He said he then calmly walked up to the Chrysler. Quote, police were right beside me. They were parked all around him. He said, I just got in the car and I backed out. He drove back to Hicks' apartment and went to sleep. In the days that followed, Hicks said Thomas was paranoid. He would look out the windshield and up into the sky searching for helicopters. He was on edge. Hicks said she figured out that Thomas had taken her lighter gun and she wanted it back.
Starting point is 00:38:56 After he picked her up from work one evening, she drove him to Woodbridge to where he said he left it, which was where he said he left it. He searched the area for the first time, but he was not in the hospital. her lighter gun and she wanted it back. After he picked her up from work one evening, she drove him to Woodbridge to where he said he left it, which was where he said he left it. He searched the area for 45 minutes but couldn't find it and neither did police. Hicks remembers at this point Thomas acting extremely fidgety and anxious and demanding to leave back to Connecticut. The rapes were getting a lot of attention. Number one, it makes sense why he's so on edge because these are really the first of his rapes to getting a lot of attention. Number one, it makes sense why he's so on edge because these are really the first of his rapes
Starting point is 00:39:26 to be getting publicized, the media is talking about it. And number two, how did Hicks didn't note that the place Thomas claimed to have left her gun was also the place these three girls in their local area had been attacked? I get, I get the truth, but I feel like I would do that. You wouldn't even notice. I mean all these crimes you tell me I have I have a herd of 99% of them right maybe she didn't hear of it. Yeah, but if like if you're not paying attention
Starting point is 00:39:54 I I feel like that's possible and she might have heard of the three girls who were raped but not even noted where it happened Yeah, exactly in September 2010 Thomas is arrested for larceny in Woodbridge, Connecticut. He was set free on a $1,000 bond. So after he's committed these rapes, he's arrested and set free. In 2011, Thomas was living in Connecticut and was apparently dating a brand new woman who lived in a nice neighborhood in New Haven. According to a neighbor, Thomas was an unemployed truck driver who spent a lot of time in the new woman's house. He had a tractor trailer that he parked in the neighborhood and offered to do odd jobs for neighbors for pay, such as raking leaves or painting their houses. But as we know, the East Coast rapist had already been named. His attacks were getting publicity. The billboards were going up and it was only a matter of time for Thomas, which is
Starting point is 00:40:42 why when you said, do you think that he felt like they were onto him? I do because all these billboards were going up. He's getting nervous. According to the Washington Post.com, Aaron Thomas would go for walks that had almost a scripted ending. He'd see a woman, his heart would race, his hands would shake, he'd approach her, he'd scare into submission, and then he would rape her.
Starting point is 00:41:01 He was a doting father figure and a fun loving companion, but also jealous, violent and prone to sneak out at night when he would pray on the vulnerable and hide his actions from everyone. He was street smart, tough, physically chiseled and unpredictable. Thomas was also careless enough to leave his DNA at 13 different attacks. On March 5, 2011, Thomas attempted to take his life in his jail cell after being arrested. Of course he did. He tried to hang himself.
Starting point is 00:41:28 Prison officials took Thomas to the hospital for a few hours, but he was returned to his cell later that same day. Also on March 5, 2011, officials held a press conference announcing that they had caught the East Coast rapist. After he was caught, Thomas did interviews with the Washington Post and met with psychiatrist. His defense team originally was planning to pursue an insanity defense. Thomas was telling the post, the police and his family that he had a split personality and that his other personality named Irwin had committed the crimes. But Thomas would eventually admit
Starting point is 00:42:01 that he was faking this split personality disorder and that Irwin was just a name he gave for his problem. I want to note here that the insanity defense really boils down to whether a defendant had the ability to differentiate between right and wrong at the time of his crimes. Now it seems clear both from Thomas's M.O. and from statements he made to police and the Washington Post that he definitely knew right from wrong. Thomas admits that he doesn't remember much detail about his crimes, even though the horrifying details are etched into all of his victims' memories. Quote, it wasn't until a year after his arrest at a preliminary hearing in Prince William
Starting point is 00:42:37 that Thomas said he realized all the harm he had caused. With his mother sitting nearby on a courtroom bench, Thomas pushed his forehead into the table in front of him, barely able to listen as the three young women described being forced to drop their bags of Halloween candy before two of them were raped in a wooded ravine as cold rain fell around them. On November 30, 2012, Thomas pled guilty to two counts of rape and three counts of abduction in Prince William County, Virginia relating to the 2009 Dell City sexual assaults on the teenage trigger treaters on March 1, 2013 Thomas was sentenced to three life terms for the sexual assaults of the Trigger Treaters. The victims testified at the hearing along with one of their mothers. One victim testified that quote,
Starting point is 00:43:22 I would be in a classroom and just get random flashbacks that would occur. I would try to avoid leaving my house or going out in public. It ruins their lives. 100%. On March 15, 2013, Thomas was sentenced to two life terms for the May 2001 sexual assault in Leesburg, Virginia.
Starting point is 00:43:39 During this sentence hearing, his victim testified, her name is Tracy Saunders. And she asked that her name be Tracy Saunders and she asked that her name be provided because she wants to help others as a victim advocate. So I've left the names out of every other victim just because they're still alive in the R-victim to this but Tracy clarified she wanted to be named. She described the tear and trauma from the attack that happened to her 12 years earlier. Saunders testified as Thomas stared down at the defense table his head bowed, quote, he hurt my body, but I would not allow him to hurt my head. I became stronger
Starting point is 00:44:09 than him. Saunders also testified to something very chilling. When she saw photos of Thomas from when he was younger, she recognized him as her attacker. He'd come to her place one time previously before he raped her the day she was moving out when she was advertising an entertainment center. She wanted to sell. So she's like, no, he for sure had scoped out my place. He knew who I was. The judge said, quote, what you did to her is the same as if you had taken a knife and drove it right through her heart. Instead, you drove it through her soul, which is so true. Yeah, he might not have stabbed her in the heart, but he stabbed her in the soul.
Starting point is 00:44:46 She will forever be hurt. Another victim testified saying, quote, my life has changed forever. I continue to struggle with the emotional impact of my rape. He took much more than my body that night. He took my sense of security and mental well-being. But through therapy and through prayer, I have become mentally strong again.
Starting point is 00:45:04 I am eager to put this behind me and continue my recovery. After everything was said and done, police went back and examined dozens of rape cases up and down the East Coast. We may never know the full extent of the crimes that Aaron Thomas committed. Thomas admitted in interviews that his crimes started even earlier than the police timeline of 1997. Perhaps as early as 1992 or 1993, but we will never know all of the details. And that is the story of the East Coast rapist. Okay, you guys, we will be back next week with another Halloween episode.
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