Murder With My Husband - 139. Lisa Marie Kimmel - Lil Miss

Episode Date: November 21, 2022

On this episode of MWMH, Payton and Garrett discuss the disappearance and murder of Lisa Marie Kimmel. Live Online Show Tickets: https://www.moment.co/murderwithmyhusband Free MWMH World: https://murderwithmyhusband.world.co/?page=home Links: https://linktr.ee/murderwithmyhusband Case Sources: Scott, Robert (2009). Rivers of Blood. (2009, New York: Pinnacle), by Robert Scott Wikipedia.org, Lil' Miss murder Charleyproject.org, Amy Joy Wroe Bechtel Trib,com, “Inmate: Eaton confessed,” by Tara Westreicher, March 10, 2004 Trib.com, “Victim's family shares their anger as Dale Wayne Eaton sentenced to life,” by Victoria Eavis, May 8, 2022 Billingsgazette.com, “Court hears 1988 tape of Kimmell,” by Tara Westreicher, March 3, 2004 Billingsgazette.com, “Another Eaton victim lives to tell of ordeal; California woman expected to testify at penalty phase of trial,” by by Greg Tuttle, March 17, 2004 Billingsgazette.com, "Eaton upset as convict testifies," by Tara Westreicher, March 9, 2004 Ranker.com, "The True Story Behind The Lil' Miss Murder," by Rachel Souerbry, February 19, 2021 WyoFile.com, "Wyoming should abolish the death penalty, even for Eaton," by Kerry Drake, June 16, 2020 caselaw.findlaw.com, EATON v. STATE Department of Psychology Radford University, Dr. Mike Aamodt, Dale Wayne Eaton  http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Psyc%20405/serial%20killers/Eaton,%20Dale%20Wayne.pdf Newspapers.com sources:  Pat Bellinghausen and Tom Howard, "Billings teen disappears during trip,” The Billings Gazette, 29 March 1988, archived (https://www.newspapers.com/image/410694282 : accessed 27 October 2022); citing print edition, p.7-A Vikki McLaughlin, “Searchers suspect foul play,” The Billings Gazette, 1 April 1988, archived (https://www.newspapers.com/image/415632449 : accessed 27 October 2022); citing print edition, p.1 “Wyoming lawmen looking for missing Montana teen-ager,” Casper Star-Tribune, 30 April 1988, archived (https://www.newspapers.com/image/349601308: accessed 27 October 2022); citing print edition, p.3 Pat Bellinghausen, "Kimmell's body identified,” The Billings Gazette, 4 April 1988, archived (https://www.newspapers.com/image/415636958 : accessed 27 October 2022); citing print edition, p.1 Pat Bellinghausen, "Cops: No leads in teen’s death,” The Billings Gazette, 5 April 1988, archived (https://www.newspapers.com/image/415637713 : accessed 27 October 2022); citing print edition, p.1 Tom Howard, "Kimmell had stab wounds,” The Billings Gazette, 7 April 1988, archived (https://www.newspapers.com/image/415639477 : accessed 27 October 2022); citing print edition, p.1 Rita Munzenrider, "Kimmell's friends say goodbye,” The Billings Gazette, 9 April 1988, archived (https://www.newspapers.com/image/415641872 : accessed 27 October 2022); citing print edition, p.1 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey everybody welcome back to our podcast. This is murder with my husband. I'm Peyton Moreland. I'm Garrett Moreland. And he's the husband. I'm the husband. A couple quick reminders before we jump over into Garrett's 10 seconds. We have our virtual live show coming up on December 11th. Tickets are available now. You know I was thinking about something the other day and I'm curious how many people do it. Super random but how many people shower once a day and how many people shower twice a day, and how many people shower twice a day? This is your 10 seconds. This is my 10 seconds, because I was thinking about it.

I've been in this habit and I'm not saying it's a good habit, and not saying it's a bad habit, but I've been sharing morning and night. Once every week. Yeah, once a week, once every month, but I've been sharing morning and night, like, I don't know. My OCD is just like, I can't get in bed dirty,

and then when I wake up, I just feel dirty, I don't know why, I'm just a dirty person, don't the say. Anyways, how many people shower once a day versus how many people shower twice a day? If you follow us on social media, I don't let us know in the comments or something. If you don't then just think about it. Well, what do you think is the current way? And would you ever change it? Would you shower twice a day if you just shower once a day? Is it because you're trying to say money? a day if you just shower once a day? Is it because you're trying to save money? Is it because you just don't feel dirty?

I'm kind of curious to everyone's reasons. And this is kind of a long 10 seconds, we could probably sit here and talk about this for 40 minutes because that's a whole another conversation in itself. And on that note, you can hop right into it. Just a reminder, we have our Apple subscriptions, which is ad free and you get bonus episodes and then Patreon as well is ad-free and you get bonus episodes.

So if you sign up on there, you can see all our bonus content and everything is ad-free. Now on that note, let's hop into the episode. Our case sources are Rivers of Blood by Robert Scott, Charlieproject.org, tribe.com, BillingsGazette.com, Ranker, WyomingFile.com, K-Slaw.FineLaw.com, and Newsped.com, billingsgizette.com, rinker, yomingfile.com, kslaw.findlaw.com, and newspapers.com. Today's story takes us all the way back to March 1988. Now the Democratic and Republican primary elections were in full swing around this time. A fifth police academy movie had just landed in theaters, and Rick Asley's never going to give you up was

topping the charts. And during this time, a young woman named Lisa Marie Kimmel was 18 years old. And after graduating, Billings Senior High School in Billings, Montana, Lisa relocated to the Denver area for work. She got a job working as a unit manager at an Arby's restaurant, a company for which Lisa's mother, Sheila, worked as a director of operations. So both mother and daughter commuted between Billings and the Denver area regularly, as Billings was still Sheila, mom's home. But when she was in Colorado, she shared an apartment with her daughter in Aurora, a suburban city right outside Denver.

So basically, mother and daughter kind of both work at Arby's and they're constantly traveling between Billings and Denver. Now at the end of March, they planned on returning to Billings once again. Mother Sheila, by plane, and Lisa, by car, so they're in Denver and they're both gonna go to Montana

But Sheila's gonna go by plane Lisa's gonna drive now Lisa had made the road trip from Aurora two buildings several times by this point But this trip was going to be just a little bit different She would be taking surface roads instead of highways and this was because Lisa planned to stop in Cody, Wyoming to see her new boyfriend, Ed Jerrick, who would then travel with her the rest of the way to Billings. And then once in Billings, Montana, Lisa planned to finally introduce Ed to her sisters,

Stacey and Sherry, and then visit a friend who was in the hospital for cancer surgery. Sheila chose to fly because she had plans to go skiing with her husband, Dawn, and her other daughters. So she would just meet up with Lisa and Ed once they arrived. So basically, they're getting to the same place they're just taking two separate ways. And Lisa, the daughter, is really excited to introduce her new boyfriend, Ed, to the family. Now, Sheila was the only member of Lisa's family who'd already met Ed. And she liked

him, so Ed was mom approved. Ed had a job working for the marathon oil company out of its Cody Wyoming office, but he'd first met Lisa up in Billings where they were introduced by mutual friends. Their first encounter was so magical that they ended up spending all of that weekend in each other's company. And after they had to part ways to go home, Ed and Lisa spoke on the telephone regularly and exchanged letters every few days. Eventually, a long-distance relationship blossomed between the two of them.

And now, Lisa's detour through Wyoming would allow them to see each other again. And in fact, they already had plans for a follow-up visit in April as Ed had reserved a plane ticket to visit her in Colorado. So, safe to say this is like, you know, Ed and Lisa's new relationships seem to be going good. They were ready to take the next step and introduce him to the rest of the family that weekend. Which I feel like is a big deal. Introducing your significant other to your family is kind of scary. It is scary.

I remember the first time I met your family. Like vividly. They loved me. No, I met your family is kind of scary. It is scary. I remember the first time I met your family. Oh, they loved me. No, I met your family. Oh, you met my family. How's saying your family loved me? Oh, geez. You remember meeting my family the first time? No.

You met him over a face time. Oh, I did. I know. I don't remember that. Hey, guys. So, in advance of Lisa's drive, she and Ed talked on the phone and worked out the route that Lisa should take to get to Cody, Wyoming. This is a town Lisa had never visited before.

Ed advised Lisa to take I-25 from Aurora, Colorado to Casper, Wyoming, and from there, hop on to Highway 20 to Shoshone, and then to Thermopolis through Matizzi and finally on to Cody. And I know you guys are like, I have no idea what you just explained. But basically she's just hopping through all these little towns to finally get to Cody White homing. They went over these directions several times. Again, it's 1988. So dropping a pin or Google Maps just wasn't a thing yet.

So she really does need to know how to get there. And because it's Wyoming, you could get lost easily. There's not a lot of stuff out there. Ed wanted to make sure Lisa wouldn't get lost because they figured it would be after midnight by the time Lisa reached Wyoming. And much of the state is just open space. Wyoming is actually the least populous state in the US

while being the 10th largest in size. So needless to say, there's a whole lot of nothing out there. And in the dark, it would probably be easy to just take the wrong road. Now on the day of the trip, which was Friday, March 25th, Lisa phoned boyfriend Ed around 4.45 pm to give him a heads up that she was running a little late and would be heading out around 5 pm. First, to drop her mother at the airport and then onward to Wyoming. As they prepared

to leave, Lisa talked with her mother Sheila about the trip, about her plans with Ed and about the route she would be taking. Sheila opened her road atlas just to review Lisa's planned route and to find any potential alternate routes to Cody. Though it became clear there was pretty much only one route to Cody that made sense and it was the one that Ed had already given her. At this point, her mother reminded Lisa it wasn't absolutely necessary for her to fly up to Billings and she could easily just skip the flight and join Lisa on the road trip so she wouldn't be alone so it would be safer. But Lisa declined the offer.

I mean, I think she wanted some alone time with Ed. They were brand new boyfriend and girlfriend. Like this trip would be good for them. And I just want to say if you're younger, it's funny because you guys have probably never used a map. I used a map for a little bit, but I feel like I was just kind of on the cusp on the edge. And then I remember growing up, like my family would print out directions from MapQuest,

you know, and then he'd go and get them, and then he'd follow them. So it's so weird now that just you literally put it in your phone, and he's go somewhere. So it's just, it's always interesting to hear when you talk about someone using a map, because to an extent it's pretty foreign now. Yeah, I agree. Like, actually, both of our parents have done this to us, where we'll be like, hey, where are we meeting you? Can you drop a pin? And they'll start giving us direction, map directions. You're gonna turn right on this road

and then you're gonna go straight for a bout of mile. And I'm like, whoa, just drop me a pin. You think I know the road names, but it's because that's what they're accustomed to and we are so not used to it. So Lisa also didn't foresee any issues with her car on this road trip because it was brand new. It was a black 1988 Honda. So this is a new car. It's not going to break down. And

her car actually had a personalized license plate that said Lil Miss. And this was inspired by Lisa's grandma who used to affectionately call her quote, my Lil Miss Lisa Marie, which is so cute. So Lisa drove her mother to the airport and then Sheila left the road atlas in the car before hugging her daughter goodbye. You drive careful Sheila told her daughter, don't worry mom Lisa replied, I will. But 18-year-old Lisa did not exactly keep her promise. At 906 pm that evening, Wyoming Highway Patrol Officer Al Lesco pulled over Lisa's Honda and cited her for going 88 miles per hour in a 65 miles per hour zone. Lisa timidly explained that she was just heading to Billings to see a friend who was going in for surgery, casually

skipping over the fact that she was stopping to pick up her boyfriend first. Officer Lesco proceeded to write her the ticket nevertheless. And Wyoming at this time required that out-of-state drivers pay their tickets in cash. Wow. But Lisa didn't have enough cash on her to cover the cost of the ticket.

So Officer Lesco followed Lisa to an ATM in the nearby town of Douglas, Wyoming, which was about halfway between Denver and Cody. That is so weird, I can't believe that was a thing. But as the two pulled up to get the money, Lisa's ATM card would not work at that particular bank's ATM. So Officer Lesco was faced with a decision. He could either arrest Lisa and put her in jail until she could come up with the money,

or he could release her with the promise that she sent a check once she made it to her destination. Lisa promised to make good on the ticket, and so Officer Lesco let Lisa go. What Officer Al Lesco couldn't have guessed in that moment was that he would become the last known person to ever see Lisa alive again. The next morning, Lisa's mom, Sheila Kimmel, who'd made it to Billings safely via her flight, received a phone call from Ed, Lisa's boyfriend. He told her that Lisa had never shown up the night before. He'd waited up all night and never heard from her,

and so now he was wondering if Sheila had heard from her daughter. But Lisa's mother had not heard from her daughter since she dropped her off for the flight. And this was very worrying news, as it almost certainly meant something bad had happened to Lisa on her drive. Everyone in the family began to panic. And Lisa's disappearance was reported to Wyoming police. And I think they had to report immediately because it's not like this disappearance happened in a town where you could just all the sun go drive and look for her last year and whereabouts. She was on a long drive.

They have no idea where she was last seen. Yeah. So that Sunday, Lisa's father, Ron chartered a plane and spent the day flying over northern Wyoming in search of Lisa's car. One of the worst places to go missing just in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, because it's like, where do you begin looking? Ron feared that his daughter had gotten lost somewhere in the Vaswaioming desert, maybe took the wrong turn, but the search turned up nothing. He saw no trace of Lisa's black Honda. The following day, he also distributed flyers with his

daughter's face and description on it. And up in Billings, Sheila Kimmel stayed within ears reach of the telephone, and the family also began reaching out to local television stations and newspapers. And by Tuesday, the story ran on page 7 of the Billings Gazette, along with the offer of a reward for any information leading to Lisa's whereabouts. Lisa was officially publicly known as a missing person at this point. The following day, other papers carried the story via the Associated Press, including Wyoming's Casper Star Tribune.

Meanwhile, the family had hired a private investigator. By mid-week, the only clue that was developed was that Kimmel's car, with its distinctive little mislicence plate, had reportedly been seen in the Wyoming cities of Billings and Buffalo and also Great Falls Montana with one or possibly two male occupants. But this is hard because that's a lot of different places. Lisa was known to live a squeaky clean totally square and straight existence and disappearing like this was so out of character that everyone close to her feared foul play. They're like something bad happened here if we haven't found her car and she And disappearing like this was so out of character that everyone close to her feared foul play.

There's like something bad happened here if we haven't found her car and she hasn't got a hold of us. She didn't just run away. But then the Johnson County Wyoming Sheriff's Office found two witnesses in Buffalo, Wyoming who claimed to have seen Lisa at a 7-Eleven store at about noon the day after she was last. Wow, okay. She was wearing the same clothing. She was reported to have been wearing when she was last officially seen by officer Lesco.

So we know at this point that she probably made it to Buffalo. WDs also located four other witnesses in Buffalo who claimed to have seen her. Dang, Buffalo coming on strong. Right, and it seemed by all accounts that everything was reporting back to Lisa last being in Buffalo who claimed to have seen her. Dang Buffalo coming on strong. Right. And it seemed by all accounts that everything was reporting back to Lisa last being in Buffalo. A city she was destined to travel through if on her way to Cody to see Ed. So it makes sense that maybe she would have stopped there for a gas or whatnot after being with Officer Lesco. But they get no reports that she ever made it farther

than Buffalo. Lisa's father was going to charter another plane at this point and do a flyover across Buffalo, but the weather prevented the plane from taking off. He and two of Lisa's uncles then combed the area in vehicles, but no sign of Lisa or her car was found. Ron, Lisa's father, then spent the remainder of the week canvassing local hotels and convenient stores, but again, he had no luck and at the end of the week canvassing local hotels and convenient stores, but again, he had no luck and at the end of the week he had to return to Billings totally exhausted. This is one of the worst parts of the story because the family has to keep traveling to these purposes to look and

Buffalo is a very small town. So once you've made it through all of you know, the restaurants, the hotels and everything, at that point it's like, okay, well then did something, the hotels and everything. At that point, it's like, okay, well then did something really bad happen? And she stuck on private property somewhere? Yeah, that's the problem is there's so many just ranches and different farms and different landowners out in Wyoming that she could be anywhere right now. Right. The Yellowstone County Sheriff's Office sent out teletypes far and wide containing descriptions of Lisa and her car at this point.

While a family friend set up, quote, help find little misfund to ease the expenses that the search was already accumulating for the family. But the money wasn't going to stop the family's efforts. Quote, I would sell my house, my car, anything to find my daughter. Sheila Kimmel told the Billings Gazette. Their daughter was missing and had now been over a week since anyone had last heard from her. The newspaper itself solicited readers to send donations to the Little Miss Fun and asked anyone who was traveling and willing

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body was that of Lisa Marie Kimmel. Medical examination found that Lisa had been bound, beaten, and raped. Oh my gosh. Possibly across a period of several days. This means not only had Lisa been kidnapped, but she had been held and tortured all while her family and police were searching for her not even 100 miles away. Oh, that's horrible. I'm curious to see if she actually made it to Casper, or if she was, or what happened. I'm curious to see if she actually made it to Casper or if she was or what

happened. Like was right. Did she go missing in Buffalo and they brought her to Casper? Like what's going on? So autopsy also determined that after all of this happened, Lisa was then struck on the head with a blunt object stabbed six times in the Chesson abdomen all in her vital organs and thrown into the river from the old government bridge. So someone did this to her up top and then threw her over the bridge and into the river. Blood was found near the edge of the bridge and later found to be Lisa's blood type, suggesting the location, like the exact location from which Lisa was tossed.

And because the old government bridge was not generally used by travelers, like this is kind of in Casper It was believed by investigators that whoever killed Lisa must have lived in the area must have been local to either Buffalo Casper like must know about this bridge a nation-wide search was launched for Lisa's black Honda CRX Which was fairly unique as only two or three of these have been sold west of the Mississippi so they're like Fairly unique is only two or three of these have been sold west of the Mississippi. So they're like, this isn't a common car. And a fleet of planes was sent out to scour the county, to scour Wyoming, hoping to find where the car had been dumped.

But it never turned up. Lisa was laid to rest on Friday, April 8th, two weeks to the day that she disappeared. Her funeral was attended by over 200 people. Many of them Lisa's age. In October of that year, a family friend went to visit Lisa's grave and found a mysterious note wrapped in clear tape and secured fastly to her headstone. The note read, much you're missed. The pain never leaves. It's so hard without you. You'll always be alive in me. Your death is my painful loss, but heaven's sweet gain. Love always, Stringfellowhawk. What was it, the boyfriend? No. Stringfellowhawk was the main character

on the TV series Airwolf, which ran from 1984 to 1987. That's creepy. So it's not even a real person. No one close to Lisa could figure out who may have left the note. They start asking around. And this begins creating more suspicion into her murder. And despite the fact that unsolved mysteries actually aired a segment about Lisa's murder,

the following year, her case grows cold. So cut to Thursday, September 11th, 1997. This is nine years after Lisa's brutal disappearance and murder. A woman named Shannon Breeden and her husband Scott and their five-month-old son Cody were traveling from Michigan back to their home state of Washington when their van suddenly overheated and broke down in the middle of nowhere. Well, it is somewhere somewhere in Wyoming on interstate 80 about halfway between the tiny town of Wamsutter Which was about 20 miles to the west and Rollins, which is 20 miles to the east. Mm-hmm. If you go to Google Maps

You'll see what lies between Wamsutter and Rollins is pure desert. Like there's literally nothing. It's just empty space. Or you can use a regular map. Yeah, or you can use a regular map and see that. So the breeders and their baby, they get stuck in the middle of nowhere. Their cars broken down. And as the sun began to set, the couple tried flagging down what few motorists passed them, but these motorists just kept going. No one stopped to help the family. Some long haul truckers did promise to pass the word on down the road, but no one ever arrived to help.

So the breed and family spent the night in their broken-down van. And by morning, they realized they were running out of water. It had been 12 hours since they'd been broken down and no one had helped them. And they have a little baby to take care of, as well as a kitten and a three-legged dog with them, and they weren't sure what they were going to do. No, three-legged dog, that just makes it so much more sad. I know. They didn't know the area, and it looked like there was nothing for Miles and Noan was

stopping. But then, luckily for them, another van approached and stopped in front of theirs. A middle-aged man stepped out and introduced himself as Dale. He appeared concerned for the stranded family and offered them a ride to Green River just past Rock Springs. He's like, oh, jump in my car, I'll take you to civilization, then we can figure out what to do from there. He says his brother actually owned a repair shop and can maybe come help them with their

vehicle. So they accepted, and they got into the man's faded green Dodge van It's so hard because I feel like I'm so cautious now if like any one came up to help me, but I'm okay I'll just say her for another Yeah, I'll get it figured out and thanks for asking though, right and together the young family and this man continued west toward rock springs And although help had seemingly finally arrived after such a rough night, something about the driver of this van who had stopped to help them made Shannon the mom uncomfortable. It was little things. He was drinking coffee non-stop and she noticed he was mumbling to himself. He looks like a serial killer, Shannon thought to herself, but then she immediately felt

guilty for even having such a thought about this good Samaritan who was helping them out of their jam. After traveling a little ways, the driver told his passengers that he had to pee, which surprised no one, given how many cups of coffee he had apparently consumed. So he pulled off the highway at a maintenance exit. Scott, the father, had to pee as well, so they found out and found separate bushes. I guess that's like the proper thing to do. It is. When the two men returned from relieving themselves, the man Dale asked Shannon

if she wouldn't mind driving. He claimed he was tired and wanted to get some rest on the bed that was in the back of the van. This struck Shannon is odd because it was only 9 a.m. and the guy had been gulping coffee non-stop since the time they joined him, but okay she said sure I'll drive. So Shannon took the will and began pulling away with Scott her husband in the passenger seat and the baby in his lap. But as she began driving desperately just wanting this whole thing to be over she heard a strange metallic sound come from behind her. She looked in the rear view mirror and she saw something that made her heart leap out of her chest. The man in the back was now aiming a rifle at her husband and baby.

Oh, leap grip. Drive down this road. The man told her pointing them off the highway, threatening to shoot the couple's baby if she didn't comply. The road in question was a dirt trail leading away from the highway. And looking down that road, Shannon saw only desert for as far as her eyes could see. She felt it deep in her bones that if she complied with this man's demands,

the whole Breeden family would end up as missing persons. She's like, if I turned down this road, we're goners. So Shannon floored the gas pedal and turned the steering wheel sharply, spinning the van in a circle as she tried to force the gun out of the man's hands behind her. Let's go, Shannon. Meanwhile, the man lunged forward and tried to rip the keys from the ignition to stop the car. But as the van came to the stop, her husband

left from the van with the baby, and Shannon herself jumped from the van. But the man grabbed her, following her out of the van, and tackled her to the ground. And as he did so, the rifle flew out of his hands. And so then he pulled a knife from beneath the driver's seat. And that's when Shannon pounced on him, climbing onto the man's back,

but the man overpowered her, flipping her around, pinning her to the ground with the knife to her chest. Scott holding the baby, lurched forward and grabbed the man's arm to prevent him from sinking the knife into his wife. Let go or I'll kill her, warn the man, but Scott insisted. Oh, my baby's going on the ground at this point. Like, I love my baby.

But what if the man then picks up the baby? I guess so, but I don't know. Scott's torn. I mean, that what do you do? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what you do. So Scott is like, whatever. And he reaches for the rifle and smashes the man

in the head with it, breaking the weapons wouldn't. Oh my gosh. He grabs the rifle and hits the man. This is insane. It stunned the man, but he was still awake. He again tried to attack Shannon. So Scott lunged at him once more, wrestling him to the ground,

and stabbing the man in the chest with his own knife. Oh, nice. As the man blood and struggled, Shannon took the rifle and fired a shot into the ground. The man warned, if you fire that again, it'll blow up and kill you. She handed the rifle to Scott who proceeded to beat the man senseless until he begged for mercy. Are you just so proud they overpowered?

Yeah, I'm so I've never been so happy in a case. This rarely happens. Well, anything that has to do with like survivors, right, makes me happy. So the couple then secured their baby and drove away in the man's van, stopping at the nearby maintenance area where they called for help. Who knows what they had just escaped? Like if she had just turned down that road and complied, they would probably be dead. And she 100% made the right decision.

Right. The Wyoming highway patrol responded to the scene and the couple led the officers to where they'd left this man Dale. There, they found him badly wounded and bleeding profusely. The highway patrol officers weren't so sure of the Breedon's story at this point, because they kind of had relatively few injuries compared to what the man looked like.

I mean, Scott had beat him senseless. However, when they began talking to the man, he told them that he had a terminal illness and wanted to kill himself, but he didn't have the courage, so he was trying to provoke this random couple to kill him. You've heard of like suicide by cop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This was according to the man's suicide by stranger, apparently.

But the officers weren't really buying that story either. They searched the man's van and inside, they found a pair of handcuffs. When they questioned the man about why he had these, he explained to them that it was just a sex toy. So that's when they decided to arrest him and charge him with aggravated assault of the family. This honestly should have been attempted murder. Like, I truly think he was trying to kill them. 100%

Police eventually learned the man's name was Dale Wayne Eaton and he was a 52-year-old drifter with a lengthy criminal record dating all the way back to when he was a 52-year-old drifter with a lengthy criminal record, dating all the way back to when he was a juvenile, when he was in trouble for stabbing a woman over a watermelon. In response to the charges of aggravated assault on this family, he implied guilty and received a suspended sentence of two to five years for what he had done to them. He was ordered to remain at a pre-release center for up to a year. However, just two months later, once he was allowed access to his van, he claimed that he needed it for work. He left the center and didn't return.

Go figure. I can't believe he just out. He runs away from prison after only serving two months for almost killing this family. Luckily, he was found only three months later camping in a national forest near Dubois, Wyoming, while carrying a firearm. So he was then charged with being a felon in possession of a deadly weapon and convicted in federal court

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E.N. had an argument with his cellmate, a 40-year-old man named Clay in Min Palmer. That argument ended with Del Eain punching the younger man in the head, a minute or so later, Eain's cellmate dropped dead. Wow. So Eain was charged with manslaughter. At this point legally, Del Eain had stabbed a woman when he was younger. Kidnapped an attack, shanning, Shannon and Scott, and then run away from prison, and then killed his cellmate.

But police were also about to discover that Dalyin had done even more than that over the years. The next year, while Del was awaiting trial for killing his cellmate, DNA from Seaman recovered from Lisa Kimmel's body was uploaded into CODIS finally. It's 2001. We're learning about DNA. And there was an immediate hit.

The DNA matched Del Wayne Eaton. Suddenly, the very cold case of Lisa Kimmel's murder that we started this story off with was now burning red hot. Investigators traveled to Monetta, Wyoming, which is about 80 miles east of where Lisa's body was dumped, and talked to neighbors near property that Dell eat and had lived on around the time of Lisa's disappearance. So they learned he lived around that area when she disappeared.

One neighbor recalled that Eaton was digging a large hole on the land around that time, explaining that he was trying to dig a well, which the neighbor thought was preposterous, considering how deep Ian would have had to dig to actually reach water on the land. She's like, when he said he was digging a well, I was like, okay, well, that's like a lot of work.

This is what the neighbor's thinking. Yeah, it's so dumb. Because of this lead, the land was then excavated. They began digging into the dirt in the very same location that Daly and had been seen digging over a decade earlier. And what would you know? Searchers unearthed a black 1988 Honda CRX bearing the personalized license plate Lil Miss. He buried the entire car in his backyard.

I don't even know how that's possible. What? With, oh, what he used to dig the whole do you know? Who knows? He had to have had equipment. There's no way he just got out there with the shovel and she started digging away. I'm doing, I'm saying, yeah.

Like there's no way. That's crazy. So because, I mean, her car was just found on his land and then his DNA was found in her rape kit. So Ian was formally charged with Lisa Kimmel's murder on April 17, 2003, 15 years after her murder. Ian would then confess to Lisa's murder to a gel physician. He recounted that he had found Lisa Kimmel parked on his land, forced her out of the car at gunpoint, took her to a converted school bus that he was living

in at the time, and sexually assaulted her, holding her captive for several days before driving her to the old government bridge near Casper, bludgeoning her with a rock, stabbing her, and tossing her body into the river. So again, she was being held in this school bus, being assaulted over and over while her family was looking for her. And that is heartbreaking. At the trial, among the evidence presented, was the mysterious note found on Lisa's headstone. Handwriting experts concluded that the handwriting matched

Dail E. Inns. So he had visited her grave and wrote that weird note. writing experts concluded that the handwriting matched deal he ends so he had visited her grave and wrote that weird note why why i don't know i don't understand why people continue to do this why would he take her graves don't that's why couldn't you just leave her

alone like why did he have to then go and do that i think it's weird that it's almost like he actually was convinced he cared about her i don't know that's that's extremely strange he have to then go and do that. I think it's weird that it's almost like he actually was convinced he cared about her. I don't know. It's that's extremely strange. And among the witnesses at trial who were called to testify were the breed and family who he had kidnapped in 1997. Or tried to kidnap. tried to kidnap as well as a convict who occupied a cell next to E. INS at his county jail.

The inmate testified that E. INS had confessed a killing to him which he presumed to be Lisa Kimmel. He claimed the in told him, quote, a real nice girl had helped him out by giving him a ride. And as they were driving along and talking, Eaton had jokingly asked the girl when the two of them were going to dinner. That's when he claims the girl became uneasy and refused his advances.

Eaton told his inmate that at that point, she then slammed on the brakes and pulled the car over, telling him he was a weirdo and demanding that he get out of the car. Eaton said he was angry that the girl was dropping him in the middle of nowhere, so he decided he'd have to kill her. He added that she was, quote, a lousy lay and that nobody would miss her.

Oh, Ma, I can't even. So when you say maybe he Commends himself he felt bad. No, this doesn't seem like this guy was psycho since this story obviously deviates from the story he told the gel doctor. He's told the gel doctor that he just found her parked on his land so he can up there. But then he tells his cellmate. Oh no, she gave me a ride. You've got to wonder if number one he's embellishing it, or if he was telling the other inmate about some other murder he committed, or the true story was somehow a mix between the two. Because I think it's more plausible that he somehow picked her up or got a ride with her

used her niceness and her kindness against her, rather than her just being parked on his side. Also because his land seemed out of the way from where she was going. So I think it's somehow a mix niceness and her kindness against her rather than her just being parked on his bed. Yeah. But also because his land seemed out of the way from where she was going. So I think it somehow makes between the two. But going back to the question you asked about how did she get from Buffalo to Casper to we won't know because it didn't say. Investigators definitely suspected the eaten was a serial killer based on his MO with Lisa as well as the Breedin family in 2004. Delhi and was convicted of premeditated murder in Lisa's death

along with a host of other charges and he was sentenced to death on March 20, 2004. Around this time, Lisa Kimmel's family won a wrongful death lawsuit against Eden and were awarded his property, which they then burned to the ground. The hang no way. Yeah, talk about like you guys go like get what you need out of this. Eaton was scheduled to be executed on February 2010, but he received a stay of execution the previous December and his death penalty sentence was commuted to life in prison instead in September 2022. So just

barely, his death sentence was still alive. But this was very disappointing for the Kimmel's family because they had kind of felt like, okay, once he gets put to death, our wounds can kind of start to heal. But now he'll just be in life in prison. Ian is currently 77 years old and serving out his life sentence at the Wyoming Medium Correctional Institution. So, she's still there? Still there. Lisa Kimmel's murder was for some time included in a pattern of murders known as the Great

Base and Killings, which also included the 1997 Disappearance of Amy Robechtol. Amy lived in Lander, Wyoming in an apartment she shared with her husband, named Stephen Bechtel. On the morning of July 24, 1997, Amy left her apartment to run some errands and was last seen later that afternoon jogging the loop road at Shoshone National Forest. When she fell to return home that night, her husband called authorities. Her white station wagon was later found abandoned along the loop road with her keys inside the vehicle, but her wallet the loop road with her keys inside the vehicle,

but her wallet was missing along with her. The prime suspect for investigators had always been Amy's husband Steve, who cooperated with the investigation but then stopped after refusing to submit to a polygraph on the advice of his attorney, which again, not bad advice. Police had also found a poem in one of his diaries about committing a murder and making the body disappear. So they were kind of like, why is her husband writing about this and that she disappears? But one of the tips that came into law enforcement at the time was from a man named Richard Eaton,

who suspected his drifter brother may have had something to do with this woman's disappearance. And Richard Eaton's brother was none other than Delie and who would later get charged with Lisa's disappearance. And Richard E. Inns' brother was none other than Deli and who would later get charged with Lisa's murder. Del lived near where Amy disappeared. So this girl in Wyoming goes missing and Del lives nearby. But Del, to this day, refuses to talk about the case. So he says he killed Lisa, but he won't talk about... I don't know if you 100% did this, but how many coincidences can you have?

Well, it also should be noted that since the theory of a great basin serial killer first appeared in 1994 because there were so many women going missing, at least three of the murders have been solved. So one of them was murder by her husband and two were murdered by two other serial killers. So there might not even be a great base in serial killer after all, but whatever the case, investigators are convinced that Lisa Marie Kimmel is not Delie and only victim. Yeah, I would agree with that. And that is the story of Lisa Marie Kimmel. That's crazy. That's one so sad she got killed. She would, I mean, that's just horrible.

She's driving, trying to help somebody out, just being a nice person. And then two, I can't believe that family lived. I know. Do you think that he would have actually shot baby? You think so? Oh, I don't want to speculate on the baby, but I think for sure they wouldn't have come out of that.

Oh no, I understand you're agree with that. I think his plan was to kill all of them, which isn't the same. Right. And I, with investigators, I mean, Dell won't talk, but with investigators believe that Lisa was not his only victim. Yeah. I mean, you're going to kidnap a whole entire family. You're going to kill this girl and you haven't done some, you stabbed a woman when you were

in your teenage years and you haven't hurt more women. Yeah, 100%. Alright, you guys, that is our story for today. Thank you so much for listening. Thank you for being here and we will see you next week with another episode. I love it. I hate it. Goodbye.

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