Murder With My Husband - 142. Larry Wells - The Toys “R” Us Murder

Episode Date: December 12, 2022

On this episode of MWMH, Payton and Garrett discuss a murder that happened inside of a Toys “R” Us. Who did it? How did it happen? Links: https://linktr.ee/murderwithmyhusband Case Sources: Wiki...pedia, org, Toys “R” Us legacy.com, Laurence C. "Larry" Wells II obituary Bizjournals.com, "Coming together for the family of slain Toys R Us manager," by Matt Chandler, September 26, 2013 Bizjournals.com, “Wife of slain Toys R Us manager speaks out,” by Matt Chandler, September 30, 2013 Buffalonews.com, "Police release surveillance image of suspect in Toys R Us killing," by Jay Ray, June 30, 2013, Archived at archive.org: https://web.archive.org/web/20130705053221/https://buffalonews.com/20130630/police_release_surveillance_image_of_suspect_in_toys_r_us_killing.html Buffalonews.com, "Fundraiser tonight for murdered Toys R Us store manager," by Charlie Specht, September 27, 2013 Buffalonews.com, "Violent, bizarre behavior of accused Toys R Us killer," by Lou Michel, October 20, 2013 Buffalonews.com, "Toys R Us killer also admits stealing more than $200,000 ," by Phil Fairbanks, April 8, 2014 Buffalonews.com, “‘Balloons for Heaven’ event honors memory of slain Toys R Us manager," by Lisa Khoury, June 30, 2014 Buffalonews.com, "Toys R Us killer sentenced on related gun conviction," by Phil Fairbanks, August 6, 2014 Oxygen.com, "A Baseball Hat Leads Authorities To Man Who Brutally Murdered Beloved Toys ‘R’ Us Manager," by Erik Hawkins, February 18, 2020 Nine.com.au, Sports cap becomes case-solving evidence in gruesome murder of toy store employee," by Eden Faithfull, September 10, 2020 Newspapers.com sources: Lou Michel and Maki Becker, The Buffalo News, "Co-worker charged in murder," 17 October 2013, archived (https://www.newspapers.com/image/877895891); citing print edition, pp.A1-A2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:36 I'm the husband. Before we hop into the episode, just a reminder that Apple subscriptions are ad-free and you get bonus episodes and same with Patreon. You can check that out on Apple or on Patreon if you're interested. All right, we're ready for your 10 seconds. Well, Peyton and I are actually going to Disneyland this week. Mm-hmm. So we are pretty excited about that. We're actually recording this episode a little head to give us some some free time as the
Starting point is 00:00:59 holidays come up. But when this comes out, we'll be going to Disneyland. So we're pretty excited about that. Couple of shows we've been watching. We've heard Wednesday. We're watching season three of Dead To Me Wednesdays. We're really good. We've been loving that. If you're not watching on YouTube, I have my hair and braids this week to honor Wednesday. As a tribute to Wednesday. And the last thing for my 10 seconds is last night, Peyton and I both couldn't sleep because I need to stop, I need to stop this podcast.
Starting point is 00:01:27 I'm sorry everyone, I'm gonna have to stop doing the podcast. I'm not gonna be in anymore, I apologize, I love you all. Because last night, I woke up in the middle of the night. What time is it? Like 1 a.m. Because our door somehow opened. The door to our bedroom, which was close. Literally, yeah. I don't know. I don't even want to think about it too much or everything, but somehow our door somehow opened. The door to our bedroom, which was close. Literally, yeah. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:01:45 I don't even want to think about it too much or everything, but somehow our door just opened. And then literally the entire night, I was just ready to fight whoever was going to come through the door. And because of that, I couldn't sleep the entire night. I couldn't sleep either because it opened up so loud, it popped open.
Starting point is 00:02:00 Yeah. Which it normally does. You kind of have to push it to get it open. I was like, someone's going to come in. I'm going to have to fight someone. And it woke us. You kind of have to push it to get it open. I was like, someone's gonna come in. I'm gonna have to fight someone. And it woke us both up out of our slumber. We both looked up at the door at the same time.
Starting point is 00:02:12 I literally was sleeping on my back, which I hardly do. And I just opened and I was like, what is it going on? So anyways, if I'm not on here next week, you know why. And on that note, we'll hop into this week's episode. Our case sources are legacy.com, bidsjournals.com, buffalo news.com, oxygen.com, nine.com.au and newspapers.com. Today, we are going to be talking about Toys R Us, which is a toy store in America if you are unfamiliar.
Starting point is 00:02:41 And this chain previous to 2020 had been struggling for a while, like a lot of brick-and-mortar retail stores in the age of Amazon and online shopping, sales had been declining for years, leading to the chain filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy back in 2017. And this came after five consecutive years of not turning a profit. So they had already begun shutting down stores years ago, with the last remaining storefront shut down in 2021. But if there's a bright side, it's that the brand isn't totally dead. You can still shop at the Toys RS website, and now as of this year, the chain opened many stores inside 400 Macy's locations across the US. I did not know that. Me either, but you might say it's a bit of a downgrade if you knew the original Toys R Us.
Starting point is 00:03:30 It's like crashing on a friend's couch after getting evicted, but for anyone with fond memories of this brand, at least it's still around, like at least it still exists. And our story today, in fact, does take place at a Toys R.S. store. And it centers on the last thing you might expect to find at Toys R.S. A murder. But it's the first thing that you'd expect tuning into murder with my husband. So if we're talking about Toys R.S. chances are it's because someone died there. So there, now you already know what's inside today's episode before we've even gotten into it.
Starting point is 00:04:03 But I think you'll still find a fair number of surprises in store for you So let's discuss it. Today's story takes us to Hamburg, New York. It's a suburb just outside Buffalo 10 miles to the south just a bridge away from Canada and less than an hours drive from Niagara Falls Now Hamburg is considered by its residents to be an ideal place to live and to raise a family, a place where violent crime is virtually non-existent. And I know it's cliche and we say it all the time, but a lot of Hamburg's residents don't even lock their doors at night. So it's June 29, 2013.
Starting point is 00:04:39 Early in the morning before dawn, stalkers are working the warehouse at the Toys RS store on McKinley Parkway at the edge of town. Isaac Mallet Lloyd and Cindy O'Connell have been working through the night, unloading merchandise to stock the shelves for the upcoming week. Larry Wells, the store manager, arrives at 3.55am to help unload the truck and get the store ready for opening. The next employee to arrive is Anthony Armstrong, who gets to the front door at 4.53 a.m. and radios to Larry, his manager, to be let in. The store hasn't opened yet, keep in mind.
Starting point is 00:05:15 So the doors are locked and the manager has to unlock them to let employees inside the store. Now Larry, the manager, let's Anthony inside the store and that means now Isaac, Cindy, Anthony and Larry are all now inside of the new Toys R Us working. Shortly after Larry lets Anthony in, another store employee named Richard Shepard gets there, showing up to work a little bit late just after 5 a.m. Now Richard radios Larry to let him in just like Anthony had done, but unlike Anthony,
Starting point is 00:05:47 Larry doesn't respond to Richard. This leads Richard to walk the perimeter of the Toys RS to knock on the side door, but once he reaches it, he finds the side door open, which is surprising to him. This wasn't something they did, they usually kept all of the doors closed. But anyway, he goes inside, he punches the clock, and he starts work as usual. And like most Toys R S stores, this is a huge building. I, I mean, Toys R S for me growing up was like heaven. Oh, huge. You go in there and any toy you want is there. And the ceilings are so high and the aisles are so long, it literally is like heaven
Starting point is 00:06:24 for a child If you're not in the US, it's kind of hard to picture But if you're in the US, it's I assume everyone who's listening already knows about toys or essays if you're outside the US There was this store that I used to go to all the time In Spain, I think it was called a medium art. It's basically like a best-by version in the US But it's like medium art if medium art. It's basically like a best by version in the US, but it's like medium art. If medium art only had toys. Barbie's cars, GI Joe, just anything. Anything bikes helmets. Like anything that a kid can want toys are us had. And so this
Starting point is 00:06:58 is the type of building that that Richard is walking into. So these employees are off doing their own thing, stalking different departments, which is why Richard doesn't find it odd that he hasn't run into any other employees yet once entering the building. At around 5.40 a.m., Isaac, one of the first employees who arrived that morning begins hearing this repetitive noise
Starting point is 00:07:21 that sounds like an alarm going off somewhere in the store. And it starts to get on his nerves, so he picks up his walkie-talkie and he radios the manager. Larry, would you turn off that alarm it's driving me nuts. But Larry doesn't copy, so Isaac radios again. And once more gets no response.
Starting point is 00:07:39 So he then radios Cindy and asks her to go find manager Larry and get him to turn off the alarm. Sure, she says I'll go check. And I have to pause here because this situation reminds me so much of that scene in final destination where the emo couple is working in that hardware store and they're stalking the shelves after hours and one of them gets nailed to death by that nail gun. I haven't seen this. What? Yeah. I don't think I ever really watched the entire final destination, but let's keep going. So there's no one get to side track. Okay, well, if you say
Starting point is 00:08:10 that, you know what I'm talking about? Super big building. You can't really like no one knows where everyone is. And this is the atmosphere I'm getting thinking of all of these employees inside this huge toy store knowing that others are there, but not being able to see them because they're so far apart. So about a minute after asking Cindy to go grab Larry to turn off the alarm, Isaac hears Cindy scream. So he runs towards the manager's office following the scream. And inside, he sees Larry, the manager,
Starting point is 00:08:39 on a chair, either dead or unconscious, bleeding from what looks like a bullet wound to his chest. Cindy reaches to pick up the phone receiver, but notices that it's already off the hook. It seems as though Larry had already tried to call for help, but passed out in the process. Now freaking out, Cindy quickly dials 911 as the rest of the employees gather around because of the commotion. She's crying and trembling as she tells 911 to send help right away.
Starting point is 00:09:06 She thinks her manager has been shot and she doesn't know if he's dead or alive. The four employees, Isaac, Cindy, Anthony, and Richard, then evacuate into the parking lot in case the shooter or whatever happened is still inside of the store. Help arrives about five minutes later. The first officer at the scene checks Larry's pulse,
Starting point is 00:09:25 and even though Larry is non-responsive, his heart is still beating. Paramedics strap him into an ambulance and rush him to Mercy Hospital, but sadly, it's too late to save him. Larry Wells has pronounced dead from blood loss, resulting from three stab wounds. So as it turns out, he had not been shot as Cindy had originally thought, but he was stabbed. Okay, so they found him in the chair, almost dead. And did they find anyone else around him? No. So Larry Wells was only 35 years old and he left behind a pregnant wife. Oh my gosh.
Starting point is 00:10:00 Police knew that the only way to figure out what had happened once they cleared the building was to first get to know the victim, who was Larry Wells and why had he been stabbed. Now Lawrence C. Wells, the second, he was known as Larry, to everyone else who knew him, had met his wife Jill when they were both in the 9th grade at Pine Valley Central School and they were obviously high school sweethearts. And then they both attended SUNY at Fredonia where they were college sweethearts. And this set the tone for their relationship. Larry and his wife did everything together,
Starting point is 00:10:32 pretty much all of the time. Larry graduated from SUNY with a degree in elementary education and went on to earn a master's from Walden University. He had a passion for working with children. He worked for a few years as a tutor and a substitute teacher teaching elementary school children, but times were tough and Larry had a hard time landing a permanent teaching job. The students he taught regularly remembered him fondly though. He had a kind and nurturing heart, his wife would later recall that quote, when he was a teacher,
Starting point is 00:11:00 if he had a little kid who had problems at home, he would take them under his wing and make sure that they had the best possible life they could have at school if they weren't getting it at home. But Larry also wanted to have children on his own. He wanted to buy a house with his wife and start a family, so he needed to make ends meet and find secure and steady work. In 2006, he began working for Toys R Us, and his warm, empathetic personality and upbeat attitude made him likeable to everyone he worked with. And what had begun as a temporary sort of Plan B situation for Larry became a second career as he got promoted from employee to manager. By the time his wife gave birth to their daughter Maddie in 2009, he was pretty well positioned.
Starting point is 00:11:42 And even though he worked long hours, often going into work at four or five in the morning even on weekends He spent every free moment he could with his family He and little Maddie were regulars at Chuckie cheese and bounce magic Which was an indoor playground? And they made frequent visits to the neighborhood park together. I've actually never been to Chuckie cheese. Oh, we should I'm gonna take you My parents hated me. I'm just kidding. But needless to say, these were happy years for the Wells family.
Starting point is 00:12:08 I mean, toys are us, Chuck E. Cheese, bounce magic, especially going into 2013. That's when Jill learned that she was pregnant again. And that's when the family made some special memories with a summer vacation to Myrtle Beach. But now, in the early morning hours of June 29, 2013, their family was shattered forever by an unknown assailant's knife. Police were processing the scene at Toys R Us as the other store employees began showing up for work,
Starting point is 00:12:36 shocked to learn that their beloved manager Larry had died a violent death at their workplace, which was now sealed off with yellow crime scene tape. Before we get too far into it, I feel like there has to be cameras. It's 2013, right at Toys or Us, right at Retail Store, there has to be cameras. Please tell me I'm right. Oh, just you, wait, Gary. All right. The initial suspects at this point were obviously the four employees who were at the store when
Starting point is 00:13:04 Larry was stabbed. It kind of feels like a big game of clue. Like all four of these employees are here and none of them knew what happened to him, but he ended up stabbed. Police immediately interviewed each of them. Cindy, of course, was the first to find Larry, so that kind of made her a prime suspect. Richard was late to work and couldn't offer up any kind of alibi as to why. Isaac, they noticed, seemed nervous, and evasive, and Anthony acted strangely and actually
Starting point is 00:13:30 refused to cooperate or answer any questions. The police really wanted to view the surveillance tapes from the cameras inside of the store. So they called Larry's boss. Hopefully he might give them access to the videos. So yes, there are surveillance cameras inside. Bernard Grouchka was the vice president for lost control for the region. It was he who had hired Larry for his manager position. Now when Bernard got to the Toys RS parking lot, he hugged and consoled the other employees and then led police inside the building into the manager's office where the
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Starting point is 00:16:28 H-E-L-P.com slash husband. The video showed that at 4.20 a.m. that morning, roughly 25 minutes after Larry Wells had arrived at work, a male subject used some kind of instrument to manipulate the lock and gain entry into the store through the baby's R.S. section. The surveillance videos were really grainy and low resolution, so it was difficult to make
Starting point is 00:16:52 out a lot of detail. But the man was apparently wearing a mask, a scarf, and a black and gold baseball cap, and sweatpants was some kind of lettering down the side. In his hands was what appeared to be a knife or another sharp instrument. And he appeared to be snaking through the aisles of Toys R.S. like a ninja trying to dodge the surveillance cameras.
Starting point is 00:17:16 Oh my gosh, okay. And then at 4.36 AM, this individual walked into the manager's office and closed the door behind him. Three minutes later, the videos stopped. So apparently this man had gone in the office and pulled the plug on the DVR surveillance system and disabled it. So it's obviously someone who works there
Starting point is 00:17:37 because who else knows how to do that? Right. It was assumed that sometime after that, Larry Wells then entered the office with the man hiding inside of it, and that's when the man stabbed him with whatever weapon he was seeing carrying. Bernard, the lost prevention VP and boss, told the police he had no idea who the subject in the video could possibly be. And now realizing it was most likely none of the other four employees in the store because they saw them
Starting point is 00:18:07 stocking shelves in other parts Investigators on the scene then had those employees look at the video and ask if they recognize the man either they are Assuming as well as you did this has to be someone who notes this store did no one else here anything like how far away is the office from where they were Stalking shelves like it'll understand how that's not possible No one heard any any commotion anything happening in the office from where they were stalking shelves. No one heard any commotion, anything happening in the office. It wasn't until Cindy went in and screamed that they even knew something was wrong. And it also seems like no one who was working at the store that morning while the intruder was there snaking through the aisles. So he literally got in and out of this store with no one even knowing he had showed up.
Starting point is 00:18:43 The only other significant detail the police could glean from the video was that the man was between 5'9 and 5'11", which was not that hard to figure out based on the height of the shelves that he was walking past. Now during their search, the police found what appeared to be a key piece of evidence. The black and gold baseball cap the killer had been wearing was found at the scene. He'd apparently dropped it in the manager's office right next to where Larry was found. It was a 2007 Florida Gators Championship hat, but again, none of the employees recognized it or could think of anyone who had worn it.
Starting point is 00:19:17 The Hamburg police released the surveillance video footage and a picture of the hat in case someone in the community might recognize anything. They sent the hat off to someone in the community might recognize anything. They sent the hat off to the lab for DNA testing. In the video, they sent to experts at the FBI lab in Quantico. These were technicians who specialized in video enhancement and upscaling hoping to improve the quality. Toys R.S. in addition to having really low-res surveillance cameras did not have any cameras
Starting point is 00:19:43 outside of the building, So there was no footage of the suspect leaving in a vehicle. That seemed so weird. Right, especially 2013. Yeah. There was actually some public backlash about this, about the low resolution of the video and the lack of exterior cameras into 2013. So when this hit the news, people were like, what the freak? Like, why don't they have cameras? Yeah, like iPhone cameras at this point are better than those cameras. And some people were actually blaming twizzrs for they're not having been in a rest in the case so far, due to the inadequate video surveillance setup and the lack of investment in employee safety.
Starting point is 00:20:15 So people are like, hey, if you guys had done, if you had invested more, they would probably have more to go off of right now. Investigators conducted ground and aerial searches and they viewed hours and hours of surveillance video from the cameras of nearby businesses, but they didn't find anything that was valuable to their investigation. Police were at a loss, and even the motive was unclear to them. How does someone get stabbed in Toys R Us with four other employees there and no one knows? They decided the best angle was working from the theory that it may have been a botched burglary. Larry Wells was laid to rest on the 4th of July where employees like
Starting point is 00:20:51 Isaac and Cindy and Bernard Grouchka showed up to pay their respects. Meanwhile, the investigation continued. The store had dozens and dozens of employees and the police wanted to interview each and everyone. Because, you know, just like the spouse or partner is often the first person police want to clear in many murders, with circumstances like these, they start with the employees first. They want to rule out the possibility that it was an inside job. So they started with the employees, and then they went to talk to each employee's family, neighbors, anyone in their circles, anyone who might have had the knowledge or motivation to break into the store.
Starting point is 00:21:28 And throughout the early days of the investigation, the Hamburg Police Department was posting daily updates on their Facebook, even posting updates when there was no new leads. I kind of wish all police departments were as motivated and transparent as Hamburg's just like keep everyone up to date, keep it crystal clear. In mid July, they announced on their Facebook page that they were now offering a $26,000 reward for information leading to Larry's killer. As the investigation dragged on without an arrest,
Starting point is 00:21:55 Larry's wife Jill feared for her own life. And so she temporarily moved out of her home for her and her child safety. She said, I'd look around if I am in a store or somewhere and just wonder, could it be that person? If this person is never caught, I'll always be watching and wondering who it could be. And you have to, I mean, her husband was stabbed to death
Starting point is 00:22:14 while she's next. Meanwhile, the crime lab was able to develop a DNA profile from the hat that the suspect had left behind. That profile was uploaded to the National and Local Databases, but they got no hits. It didn't match anyone on file. So police began pursuing DNA samples from employees of the store in order to begin ruling them out.
Starting point is 00:22:35 They eventually realized though, that there was one outlier whose DNA profile was missing. And that was Bernard Grouchka, the regional vice president of lost prevention that had walked them into the store that morning and showed them how to run and get video surveillance. The guy who basically hired Larry. I'm just saying okay I don't even think about that. Grouchka had been so helpful early in the investigation maybe even overly helpful some of the detectives
Starting point is 00:23:03 had felt. But now they were having a hard time getting another face-to-face meeting with him to collect his DNA. He was always too busy to lock in a time, always scurrying around, actually giving it over. Maybe he was having a rough time with what had happened, because he had to take a leave of absence from Toys R Us, and was also no longer living at his house. So Blues were kind of like, okay, we can get them on the phone, but when we come to finding them in person, we can't. But the reason for him not living at home actually had nothing to do with work.
Starting point is 00:23:34 It had nothing to do with what had happened at Toys R Us. Police would soon learn. His wife in fact had taken out a protective order against him just a few weeks before Larry Wells was murdered. What had happened was, late one night, it was around one in the morning on June 2nd of that year. Grushka had a heated argument with his wife, which reached a boil when he pushed her, and then ran upstairs to the master bedroom, and from there, his wife heard a gunshot.
Starting point is 00:24:00 So she raced upstairs to check on him him and found him face down on the floor. And when she rolled him over, he appeared perfectly alive and okay and said to her, I just wanted to see if you still loved me. Oh my gosh, that's insane. So he'd actually fired the gun out the window and into the grass, which this is so extreme, but also like a level of petty that I'm like, okay, oh, and like you got issues, like that's not, you can't do that. That's not okay. No, well Taylor Swift once said, I didn't have it in myself to go in grace and apparently neither did Grouchka.
Starting point is 00:24:34 Like he was like, I'm gonna come up here and pretend to kill myself to manipulate my wife and the harm the up here. It's, it's awful. So the next morning his wife called the police who confiscated the gun and arrested him on charges of criminal possession of a weapon and harassment. She's like, you can't do this to me. And you know, this wasn't even the first
Starting point is 00:24:54 domestic incidents at the Grouchka home either. This was like the third. This had been a troubled marriage and even Larry Wells knew it. Larry told his wife about how Grouchka, his boss had cheated on his wife frequently and wasn't discreet about it either. He was outright bringing girlfriends to Toys R Us with him.
Starting point is 00:25:12 Like, he would just bring his girlfriends to Toys R Us and go in the manager's office and hang out with them. Yeah, they were just hanging out. They're just talking, you know. And the sad thing is Bernard Grushka's wife had been diagnosed with breast cancer in 2008, a year after he'd
Starting point is 00:25:25 begun working for Toys R Us. Well, at this point, it seems obvious. Right. Well, the medical bills pushed Bernard off the cliff financially, as he and his wife were already drowning in an ocean of debt when she was diagnosed. From credit card balances, unpaid utility bills, and tax bills from over half a dozen investment properties the couple owned. And they also had their children to feed and care for.
Starting point is 00:25:49 It all got so much that in 2009 Bernard Grouchka had to file for bankruptcy. By this time, the total of debts the couple had accumulated exceeded one million dollars. Which far outstripped their assets. Bernard was making $90,000 annually at Toys RS, which is nothing to sneeze at back then or even now. And his wife earned $500 a month through merchandise sells from her online shop. But this was still far less than they'd been spending. But then after he filed for bankruptcy, Bernard received a big chunk of money from a relative
Starting point is 00:26:22 who'd received a lawsuit settlement payout. And with his debts cleared by bankruptcy, Bernard was using that money to buy more things. Both he and his wife liked the finer things in life. They had a fleet of new cars, a Cadillac Escalade, and they lived in a sprawling home that they had built for themselves with a rock-lined swimming pool, fireplace, expensive chandeliers, and two acres of land. And just the previous Christmas, Bernhardt and his wife were interviewed by the Buffalo News in a story about Christmas shopping, and at the time, they were carting bags that were bursting with presents that they just bought for their children at the local mall.
Starting point is 00:26:57 It doesn't matter how much debt you can go into. Yeah, as long as you're getting stuff, it's all that matters. Right. Okay, you guys, we are getting into an ad. I know you guys have both heard the story about how Garrett and I were both paying separately for peacock, and then we used rocket money and realized how dumb we are
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Starting point is 00:28:04 the incident in early June where he pretended to kill himself, it seemed things were about to get worse. Now, I don't know if he was able to keep news of his arrests that June from reaching Toys R Us, because keep in mind, he was like, higher up in Toys R Us. He must have known the chain would frown upon its regional vice president of lost control, having a protective order against him for domestic violence from his wife, as well as gun charges on top of it, but he somehow kept his secret. Police had grown eager at this point after learning this to obtain Bernard
Starting point is 00:28:35 Grouchka's DNA, but they were having, again, trouble locating him. So they began reaching out to his relatives, and one of them in a nearby town was able to help connect them to Grouchka, who was staying with his father at this time. Police showed up at his father's house on August 14, 2013 and told him they really, really needed a DNA sample from him so that they could eliminate him. They were getting all the employees. Simplify their investigation basically. So sure, he said, and they swabbed his mouth and left. It took a little under two months for the results to come back.
Starting point is 00:29:09 Oh my gosh, it seems like such a long time. But honestly, probably fast. We've talked about this before, but I know there's such a big backlog. I'm not sure the process, like, are you able to test it in three days? Because I mean, I assume it doesn't actually take two months. I assume it's just this big backlog that kind of screws everything up. Right. But the DNA that they collected from Grushka matched the profile from the baseball cap left by
Starting point is 00:29:33 the killer. Okay. So now they had a prime suspect, and it was kind of the unlikeliest of suspects. But still, what's the motive here? Like, what does he, what happened? I mean, come on. The regional vice president of lost control for Toys R Us
Starting point is 00:29:48 kills one of his own employees. Like why? They went to where Grishko was staying. He was now living with a girlfriend to confront him with the DNA evidence and he continued to maintain his innocence. Which is absolutely incredible. How these killers always continue to insist they didn't do it.
Starting point is 00:30:04 Even when they know that the DNA makes it pretty Irrefutable We've seen this before Grouchka's first line of defense, which is one we've seen so many times was to dimly pretend like this was all some Nightmare bearing his head in his hands and telling the police whatever great. I didn't do it This is crazy. I can't explain why my DNA wasn't me. I have no idea So the cops immediately placed Grouchka under arrest, obviously, and charge him with second degree murder.
Starting point is 00:30:30 They then executed search warrants on both the home he was currently staying and the home he had shared with his wife before the protection order, as well as his computers. And they couldn't believe what they found. Bernard Grouchka, the lost prevention guy, had been ripping off Toys R Us for years. I was just going to say he's stealing from Toys R Us, isn't he? Which is so ironic because he's lost prevention. He's literally the guy that says, oh, here's our numbers. He was stockpiling stolen Toys R Us merchandise in his
Starting point is 00:31:03 house and then turning around and selling it on eBay Brad new and sealed. How are they in all this debt if One he's making a salary to he's ripping off Toys R Us like where where's all the money going? He had been earning pretty massive amounts of I mean what you might call supplemental income doing this of, I mean, what you might call supplemental income doing this. He was uniquely well suited to rip off the company that employed him, US Attorney William J. Hocal said. And he continued doing it after the murder. Only he'd moved onto stores in Pennsylvania,
Starting point is 00:31:37 where Toys RS locations in that area had been plagued with burglaries in recent months. I guess Grushka began realizing he wasn't getting out of this one, so when a plea deal was offered, he decided to take it. And the family of Larry Wells was totally okay with this. The plea deal required Grushka to admit all criminal activity and plead guilty to first-degree manslaughter in exchange for a reduced sentence of 25 years. After this, he then admitted the full scope of his theft from
Starting point is 00:32:05 Toys RS and the amount of loss that this lost prevention specialist was responsible for was over $200,000. He admitted to stealing like nearly a quarter of a million dollars merchandise and reselling it online. That's staggering. And also like hard work. That's a lot to like go take this product and then list it online and then have to send it out. Like it just feels like a hard way to steal money. He also admitted to stealing $19,000 in cash from those stores in Pennsylvania.
Starting point is 00:32:34 Ruchka claimed that he entered the Hamburg store that morning with a key. So that was the instrument that he was seen in the grainy surveillance video manipulating the lock. It was actually just the key. He admitted that he entered with the intention of stealing video manipulating the lock, it was actually just the key. He admitted that he entered with the intention of stealing money from the safe, which was in the manager's office,
Starting point is 00:32:50 and he didn't intend to kill anyone. Larry had just walked in on him doing it, so he had to. But then why bring a knife? Like why are you armed with a knife? You're going and not intending to kill anyone. 100%. Why stalk through the store with a knife in your hand when you know other employees are elsewhere in the building?
Starting point is 00:33:07 It would be so much easier to be like, hey, sorry, I ran into you then to run into him ninja walking with a mask and me. Right. And the other irony is that aside from being in charge of loss prevention for the chain that he ripped off, Grushka had earned a degree in college in criminal science. So this also made him aware of criminal investigations and how to behave and avoid suspicion. He'd been so
Starting point is 00:33:32 helpful in the early stages of the investigation because he'd wanted to keep tabs on it. So the judge in this case sentenced Grushka to the maximum penalty 25 years in prison followed by five years of probation. He also separately pleaded guilty to the gun charge, which was a federal charge illegal possession of a firearm while facing a domestic violence order of protection. It was learned that he had purchased the gun, a 38 caliber pistol, from a male order dealer based in Florida. And then at some point, he had lied to authorities and told him he destroyed the gun when in fact he hadn't. So Grushka was sent away for a long time, and for Jill Wells, Larry's widow, Justice
Starting point is 00:34:09 was served. But of course, it still wouldn't bring back the love of her life and the father of her now two children who would grow up without their biological father. Not only that, the kids don't have a dad and she doesn't have a husband, but Grushka as well, I mean, their kids aren't gonna have a dad. Not that he shouldn't be in prison, but it just affects more than who we killed, which is absolutely horrible.
Starting point is 00:34:30 In her victim impact statement, Jill described Larry as her best friend. Remember, they did everything together. Or high school sweethearts. We were supposed to grow old together. She said, raise our children together and watch them grow up. But instead, he was taken from us. That's horrible. His daughter, Maddie, missed Larry every day. Jill said that Maddie couldn't have
Starting point is 00:34:50 asked for a better father. He was amazing. And Maddie kept telling her mother how badly she wanted to talk to her dad. And so that's what they started doing. Jill would take Maddie to the local park. The one that her father would take her to, and she'd write messages to her father on Post-it notes. This is so sad. This is a prime example of a child, a mother, who has lost her partner and her best friend, trying to help her child cope with the fact that she no longer has her dad.
Starting point is 00:35:16 It's just devastating. Also because you were talking about how good of a guy he was and he wanted to work with children, like some of the guys never done anything wrong his entire life. And for what? Because he walked in on Grishka's stealing money. Yeah, it's ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:35:30 And so as they're at the park riding these letters to her father on Post-It notes, they would then stick those cards to helium-filled balloons and release them into the sky toward heaven where they believe Larry now is. So they're basically trying to deliver these notes to her father. And a local journalist, Matt Chandler, who covered this story
Starting point is 00:35:48 got to know the Wells family very well through it. And he felt that he even knew Larry well, later saying that he'd never covered a murder victim who had been as universally loved as Larry was. And I think that says a lot. This case really touched something in Matt Chandler's heart and he collaborated with the family and with an illustrator named Vicki Free
Starting point is 00:36:09 on a children's book that was later published a book called Balloons for Heaven, all about the Wells family and how they were dealing with the loss of a loved one. On the one-year anniversary of Larry's death, the book launch was celebrated at an open gathering in the park. Matt Chandler was joined by Larry's family and friends and by more than 200 parents with
Starting point is 00:36:29 their children, who all wrote messages on post-it notes for departed loved ones, put them on balloons and release them all at once, filling the sky with a patchwork of colors. And I include this because I always find it so inspiring that people who are victims of these type of crimes can turn around and impact other people's lives in such a great way because of it. I think that is such a hard thing to do and it's so admirable when we see it happen in these stories. And that is the case of the Toys RS murder. I hate, I guess I hate all these cases, but I hate that.
Starting point is 00:37:04 I hate just that people are killed for no reason. Not that when there's a reason it makes it any better, but it just sucks being killed for no, he didn't do anything, he did nothing. He was just gonna work that day, someone just came and killed him, and that just makes me so mad.
Starting point is 00:37:19 And like, just such a great guy. Yeah. All right, you guys, that is our episode, and we will see you next week with another one. I love it. I hate guy. Yeah. All right, you guys, that is our episode, and we will see you next week with another one. I love it. I hate it. Goodbye. Bye.

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