Murder With My Husband - 2. Katherine Mary Knight - The Knife Lunatic

Episode Date: April 25, 2020

On this episode of Murder With My Husband, Payton tells Garrett the unbelievable story of Katherine Mary Knight. From hanging knives above her bed to cooking her victim's head in a pot on her stove, Katherine brings all the craziness.  LIVE ONLINE SHOW TICKETS HERE! https://www.moment.co/murderwithmyhusband Follow us on our social media channels: https://linktr.ee/murderwithmyhusband  Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/murderwithmyhusband Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Thank you. I love that song. Hey everyone, welcome back to our podcast. Murder with my husband. Another day, another podcast, huh babe? These are actually pretty fun. I'm starting to enjoy these a little bit. I like doing them, but I like murder, so. That's true. No, but I like doing them, but I like murder, so. That's true.

No, but I like doing them with you, so it's made it fun. Well, I have a very, very interesting story for us today. We will see. I think this is kind of like what you're fear is when you talk about me maybe being crazy, because the fact that I like true crime kind of scares you a little bit. I think this woman is what you are in you are picturing. Okay that makes me feel great. Okay do you want to just jump right into it? Yeah I'll see if I

make it out of this alive. Okay so I am telling you the story of Catherine Mary Knight and I know that this story isn't as well known as the last two stories that we've done. Yeah. So this might be new to some of our listeners. Okay, so first off, I got most of my information from Murderpedia. Do you know what that is? No, it's like Wikipedia, but murder Peter. Yeah, so it's like Wikipedia, but murder, yeah. So it's like Wikipedia, but only for murders. Of course, there's a word of it's so cool.

And you can also donate to murder pdf. If you just go to murder pdf, you can donate and yeah, I mean, I feel like if you've got the money to donate, that's actually super cool. That is a murder pdf.

Yeah. You can kind of donate to them so they can do research and stuff. Okay. Anyway, so really that's the only place I got my information for. It's a good website. Okay, so Catherine Mary Knight. Catherine was the first Australian woman to be sentenced to life in prison without the

possibility of parole. She is one of the most infamous women murderers in Australia. And Australia's justice system is a little bit different than ours, so you'll kind of see that through the story. But yeah, it's a big, big deal that they sent anyone let alone a woman to life in prison without parole. She's a celebrity. Yeah. She was convicted of the murder of her partner, John Charles Thomas Price in October 2001. So this is pretty recent. I mean, we're in the 2000s.

So that's actually pretty crazy that it took until 2001 to put someone in prison for life without parole in Australia. In Australia, yeah, interesting. Okay. And she is currently to this day still detained in the Silver Water Women Correctional Center in Australia. Okay. Okay, so back to the beginning as usual. Catherine Mary Knight was born October 24th, 1955 in Tenterfield, New South Wales, which I don't know my geography well very well, but

somewhere in Australia. Catherine was born out of an affair that her mother had had and she was a twin. So her mom was having an affair and she was the baby of the affair. I'm just going to say once again, all these seem to start with the affair. It seems to be a pattern. Catherine's dad, and I don't know if this is a fair dad or a real dad, but whichever one, Catherine's dad was an alcoholic who used violence and intimidation to rape her mom. So that being said, her mom would then intern complain to the girls, Catherine and her sisters, about how their dad was raping her and that she

hated sex and she hated men. So from a young age, Catherine had a very bad idea about men and sex and relationship. Yeah. Catherine claims that she was repeatedly sexually abused by members of her family until she was 11, but she does say that her dad never abused her. It was just other members of her family. In high school, Catherine was known as a bully and was said to experience uncontrollable rage and response to small things. So the tiniest things like someone saying something so little would

part her into this fit of rage in high school. But when she wasn't in her like, ragingess, she was actually a model student and got awards for being like a good student. But it was just these random like fits. That's kind of weird. That she would have, yeah. But she was got good grades in. Yeah.

Okay. She left school at 15, so she drops out and gains employment as a cutter in a clothing factory and I think this is kind of what begins her obsession with knives because she was given like a set of butcher knives because she cuts clothing and she goes home and hangs the knives above her bed. Keep mind she's 15. She hangs these knives above her bed and like when asked why are you doing that she says they'll just always be handy if I need them. Oh my gosh she's like what's his name Edward Sizzerhand. Yeah. So then from there on everyone in

her life says that until the day she was put in prison she hung knives above her bed like it was a it was a decor piece for her. So freaky. Yeah. So Catherine meets David Kellett at work in 1973. He was a drunk and she completely dominated him because of it. Like he was just a drunk, didn't have his life together. And she was like, wore the pants and the relationship. She was known to like fight for David. Like, if someone made David upset, she would go and get in a physical altercation with them. She was always standing up for him. So like, the roles were kind of reversed for her in this relationship. They get married just a year later in 1974, and at the wedding, Catherine's mom goes up to David and says, hey, I'm just warning you,

if you may Catherine to mad, she's going to kill you. Oh my God. Like, she is evil. So I wonder if she's trying to like confront her mom or kill her mom then, because we're at the moment to say that. I think she just had these like fits of rage. Yeah. And would just do you think he knew that? Yeah, but I mean, no, I was saying do you think he knew

that she was obsessed with scissors or knives? Yes, she's not hanging above her bed, but she also like worked with knives. Yeah. Okay. So I mean, that's like kind of saying like, oh. Oh, weird, but yeah, it's okay. I think David is aware that she's violent. He loves her. But it's an abusive relationship. Like from the way it's described, I know that normally the roles are reversed, but she is completely manipulating and abusing him using his addiction. Yeah.

You know, to control him. Yeah. So, um, Catherine tries to strangle David on their wedding night. So it didn't last very long. Are you sure that she was trying to strangle him? And it wasn't just a... Yeah, I think so. She says the reason for trying to strangle him is because he fell asleep after only having intercourse with her three times.

And it was their wedding night. Oh, man. So how could he not do it more than three times? Come on, they were you doing good? Figure it out. So yeah, babe, just so you know. That's so, that's freaky. Four times, or here comes my hands.

Yeah, seriously. So the marriage is obviously very violent. One famous story from their marriage is that while heavily pregnant, Catherine Burns, all of David's clothes, and hits him across the back of the head with a frying pan, kind of like entangled, because he came home late from a dark game that he had made the finals in. So like, he went to the dark game, said, I'm gonna be home, but then actually, like, does good

and makes it to the finals. So it goes longer than planned. And so when he comes home, all of his clothes are burnt, and she's waiting there with the frying pan. Oh my gosh, we're not even 15 minutes into the story, and she's waiting there with the frying pan. Oh my gosh, you're not even 15 minutes into the story and she's already sounds nuts. I know. In fear for his life after that David flees to the neighbor's house and was later treated at the hospital for badly fractured skull like she broke his bone. Oh my gosh. But Catherine talks to talks to David and it's, I'm so sorry and talks him into not pressing charges.

So she really is super manipulative then. Uh-huh. She. Yeah. I think she's just like crazy. Like she's manipulative. She's angry. Yeah.

So David ends up leaving Catherine for another woman later on in their marriage. I mean, it wasn't a good marriage to him and Katherine like goes crazy. Oh, yeah. And this is her first marriage. If I was David, I would have moved. Yeah. 2000 miles away. Yeah.

So Katherine goes crazy. And one day she's walking her brand new infant baby that she's just had and David is gone. And she's walking him down the road in the town and she's like violently steering the stroller that the baby is in, side to side, and going crazy in front of everyone in the town. I can just picture people looking at her like these. So she's like just crazy. And so then they take her in, you know, and she gets diagnosed with postpartum depression, which is a very real thing.

And I do know that sometimes postpartum depression does come along with like violent thoughts or actions. But she was violent before postpartum depression. So I think that she probably just accelerated her issues. I'm surprised that her mom knowing how crazy she is and never tried to take her in somewhere or do something to help her. I know, but I think the mom, it seemed like her home life was a little hard. Yeah. So maybe the mom wasn't as...

Attentive to it. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I mean, she did tell her husband that, or she did tell her son-in-law that she was going to kill him. Yeah. But the way she said it, actually, like I read the way she said it and she was like, also kind of crazy. Like she was like, you better get your effing crap together

because I'm telling you if she, if you make her mad enough, she's gonna effing kill you. Like stuff like that. Hey nice voice babe. That comes from. So like it was kind of sent like, it wasn't like a warning with love. It was like a warning with, I don't really like my daughter.

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She's just like a movie. Yeah, this is not real. This cannot be real So someone who works at like for the train station or whatever finds the baby three minutes before the train was due to cross there. So saved this baby three minutes because I mean, I mean, the baby can't. It's two months old. She's not in it with weight. So why'd she grab the axe? She just was threatening to kill people. Oh my gosh. They rescued the baby whatever, and Catherine is arrested, and admitted back to the hospital,

but she checks herself out the next day. Okay, so let me just recap this. So she took her baby for her baby on the train tracks. Then when she grabbed an axe, they threatened to kill some people. Yeah, it just doesn't matter who she was threatening to kill. Yeah, she's not crazy. And this is where I'm like, come on, police.

Like, seriously? The second incident, this was only a day after she had just done that with her baby and the stroller. It's hard. I think there really is just a lot of crazy people, though. Well, yeah, but that's what I'm saying. Like it's obviously mental illness. This woman is not stable.

And so it's like if we could get her the help she needs, but that's what I'm saying. I don't know if you can like mandate that you go to a mental hospital and actually get the help and also mental hospitals, you know, I don't know if they're also the best thing for these people that need help, you know, sometimes they don't help. Yeah. So. Okay, so this woman's running around violently with an axe and what happens next. So just a few days later, and keep in mind, this is all happening because David left her.

So it's just like snapped her. A few days later, Catherine slashes the face of a woman with one of her knives and demands that the woman drives her to find David. One of her handy knives. Yeah. The woman escapes when they get to a service station. So a gas station.

But by the time the police arrive, so like she escapes, she calls the police and the police go to the gas station. Catherine has taken a little boy at the gas station hostage. Police then attack her with brooms. And no, they did not give me any clarification of what that means. They attacked her with brooms. Rooms. Like Harry Potter, the blonde. I don't know, like Duke Elise and Australia not have tasers or guns or batons.

I don't know, I don't know. Maybe not back in 19. Seven, I mean, probably. 80, you know? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, maybe. No, probably still like late seven years. So they're just full on hog wording this

and attacking them with that. But like I don't know what like they didn't have any other weapons. I don't know. I don't know how it got there. It had to have gotten there somehow. But okay, whatever they did, it worked. And they get her admitted to a psychiatric hospital. She told the police later that she had planned on killing the mechanic at that service station because he had worked on David's car which in turn made it possible for David to leave her.

So that was her thinking was I'm gonna get this girl to take me to this gas station and then I'm gonna kill the mechanic at the gas station because he worked on David's car and David used his car to leave me. Man, so she she's just going crazy. I mean, she wants to kill everybody. Yeah. So David leaves his girlfriend after hearing about it and moves back to his mom's house and gets Catherine released back to his mom's house.

So he's like, my wife is going crazy. I need to get home. He goes to his parents house, gets Catherine, brings her back there to try to take care of her. Oh, yeah. So they have another daughter during this time. But then after that, Catherine decides to leave David this time.

And she moves. What a mess. But she got an injury at work apparently. And so she gets like a housing commission. So that's honestly why she's able to move is because like the Australian government is paying for her to live somewhere so she moves out and that's taking care of and she's I mean I'm assuming taking care of her kids because she has children. In 1986 Catherine meets David Saunders so brand new David so her ex-husband's name

was David but she meets a brand new David. So her ex-husband's name was David, but she meets a brand new David He moves in with her and her daughters They have a rocky relationship from a start where he's constantly moving in and out and in and out and in June of 1988 she gives birth to a daughter with the new David they buy a house together. So it seems like they're actually like Kind of working. I mean, I'm sure there's been violence, but not enough that it was on police reports. I just think it's crazy that she already tried to kill one of her kids and now. Yeah, her kids are still with her, right? Yeah. Yeah. So they buy house together and Catherine being the perfect housewife. She is decorating the house.

She uses animal skins, skulls, horns, rusty animal traps, leather jackets, old boots, machetes, rakes, and pitchforks. Every inch of the house is covered, including the ceilings. Just with rain and crop, just everywhere. Just with everything I just named. Oh my gosh. Yeah. After an argument where Catherine hits David, new David, in the face with an iron, like an iron, like getting wrinkles out of clothes. And stabs him in the stomach with a pair of scissors, he decides they're coming to move

out. Oh, good job, David. I'm glad you finally made that decision. Well, but I mean, I think about it in like domestic abuse. Like I know we see domestic abuse as a man doing it to a woman, but this is this is domestic abuse, a woman controlling a man overpowering a man. This is domestic abuse. Yeah.

When David comes back for his things a couple days later, he finds that all of his clothes had been cut up. And so at this point, he decides, I'm going to go into hiding. So he goes in the hiding and Catherine tries to search for him and she can't find him He finally returns to see his daughter because he's like, okay, well, I do have a daughter that's living there He finds out though that Catherine has gone to the police after he went into hiding and got an av o against him Which is the same thing in Australia as like a restraining order is here

which is Like the police already know her record. So I'm just confused of how she was able to get a restraining order on someone. I mean it sounds like they aren't doing much at all. She tried to kill her baby, she slashed the woman, she stabbed David. Oh, I don't know. Confused. I don't know. When I was reading this story, I was just like. Like a movie, just wild. Yeah, yeah, like it doesn't. And I'm like, also, how is this not more well known?

Like this hits every point of a story we want to hear. Like, I'm like, she's crazy. Could you imagine this happening now? It would be the talk of the news for the next three months. Yeah, I know. So in 1990, Catherine becomes pregnant again this time by a former co-worker named John Chillingworth. So this went on to our third third man. Third man with a baby. Okay. Their relationship actually surprisingly last three years, but she leaves him for a man, another John, but this time John Price, who she's been having in a fair with.

So she's dating John Schillingworth leaves him for John Price. John Price was the father of three children when Catherine started dating him. Price was aware of Catherine's violent reputation when she moved into his house with two of his children after the divorce between him and his wife. Oh, I don't know how you can do that. The children actually liked her and he was making a lot of money in local minds and so their relationship seemed to be working. I mean, if the children likes you and you're actually doing financially well,

that does take a bird enough. So their relationship seems to be good. In 1988, Price and Catherine get in a fight because Price decides that he's not going to marry her. So Catherine gets super mad. And as she goes through the house and videotapes items that Price had stolen from his work and sent the tapes to his boss. So Price obviously gets fired from

his job after 17 years of working there. And he kicks her out of the house. Yeah, I don't know. It did say that these items weren't like, okay, not this dealing is good, but they were like items that the company was going to throw away. So he just took them. So it wasn't like he was thing like some gold painting or I was just taking things that the company like wasn't going to be using anymore. Okay. But I mean, he's still got fired for it. She

super manipulative. Yeah, like you said, she needs to wear the pants like she needs to be in control. Yeah. A few months later, price decides that he wants to start dating her again so he continued, he restarts the relationship. At this point the fighting becomes worse and he loses all of his friends because of it because his friends are

like, dude, she's crazy and he won't break up with her and so all of his friends stop coming around obviously. In 2000, Catherine stabs Price in the chest. And so he kicks her out of the house again. And he takes a restraining order out on her. He tells his co-workers that if he doesn't come to work the next day, it's going to be because Catherine has killed him. So all of his co-workers are like, well, dude, then like, don't go home. I can't believe she's stabbing all these people. And getting away with it. And getting away with it. And I can't believe she's stabbing all these people and getting away with it. And getting away with it. And I can't believe she's stabbing all these people

and no one's tried to stab her back. Yeah. I think it's because it's domestic abuse. Most of the time people don't fight back. Just kind of brainwash. Yeah. I love her. Yeah.

She just has control over him. So his coworkers are like, well, dude, don't go home. And he's like, yeah, but my kids are there, you know, she just has control over him. So his coworkers are like, well, dude, don't go home. And he's like, yeah, but my kids are there, you know. Yeah. And so he does go home. And he finds Catherine had sent the kids away for a sleepover at like the neighbors house that night.

But Catherine isn't home. So he just goes home. He's like, OK, I guess the sleepover and goes to sleep. So Catherine arrives home later that night while price is sleeping. She watches some TV and then she jumps in the shower and then after she gets out of the shower, she wakes up, they have sex and then he goes back to bed.

Keep in mind, she just stopped him. And he has a restraining order out here as well. So the next day, price doesn't arrive at work. And he told his, he told his employer, he told his co-workers, if I don't come, it's because she killed me. So his employer sends one of his co-workers to his house to see what's wrong. The co-worker is met by a concerned neighbor who is worried because price his car is still on the driveway and he normally leaves to work at a certain time. So she was like, why hadn't he left yet? And I'm sure everyone there knew that their relationship was violent. So the

coworker and the neighbor try knocking on the bedroom window, but then they notice blood on the front door. And so they decide to call the police. At 8am, the police arrive and they break down the back door of the house. They find Price's body in the hallway, and Catherine is in a comatose state from taking a large number of pills. So she's alive.

But she's in a coma. She's trying to kill him and then try to commit suicide. Yeah. The crime scene looked to the police like Catherine had stabbed price with a butcher knife while he was sleeping. So it's not like they got in a fight and she did it. It was like they had sex. He fell back asleep and she stabbed him while he was sleeping. It's just like a power thing. Yeah. She's like, oh, we're going to have sex and then I'm going to kill you. This summer, he x u energy is back. This ultimate summer path, starting 50% off energy charges sex and then I'm going to kill you. he keeps you cool. The saving. He's coming from inside the house. Open it summer path. Energy saving.

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withdraws a thousand dollars from Price's ATM account. So she killed him. He's sitting bleeding out in the hallway and she goes into town and takes money out of his bank account. No big deal. Yeah. Price's autopsy revealed that he was stabbed at least 37 times. Oh my God. I always wonder like when someone stabs someone that many times, it's just pure rage.

Rage. Yeah, exactly. Pure rage. They've actually said it's like stabbing is a way more intimate way to kill someone than shooting someone because you actually like have to like fill the knife go in and fill the knife come out. So to do it 37 times and it's it's hard and they also said that these stabs went like deep into his body. Like she was putting the knife all the way in and all the way back out 37 times. Yeah, because I'm sure after 10 of them, he wasn't moving anymore. So she was just so mad. Yeah.

And it's not like they were in a fight. It's easy. It's not like they were, she did this while he was sleeping. You're sleeping. Several hours after he dies. So Catherine's still in the house. He's died. Catherine skins him.

So can you imagine the body that the police found? Like I said that they came in and price was on the floor, but this guy has been stabbed 37 times. No way. He's skinned and she hung the skin from a meat hook that was in the house. So she like, she basically is a butcher, right? Like she, her first ever job was like at a butcher factory

and then she moved to a clothing factory. So she like is aware of how to do this and she just does it to the body. Oh, that is disgusting. That is insane. She then decapitates him. So not only do the police come in on a body that is skinned, stabbed 37 times, he's also missing a head. That's the body they found. This is speechless. I know. So she decapitates him and cooks part of his body. She, she placed the body, the meat with a baked potato, pumpkin, zucchini, cabbage, yellow squash, and gravy. So it's the middle of the night.

It's the middle of the night. She's gone to town. She's gotten the $1,000. She comes back home. She looks at the body and goes, yeah, it's about time. Skins it, hangs it up, decapitates him, cuts off parts of his body, cooks it, cooks potatoes, pumpkins, zucchini, it's probably what, 3, 4am, and makes a full dinner. How was this lady?

How was she not in jail before this? This is the crazy thing I have ever heard. That's what I'm saying. This is insane. So she sets the plates into two settings at the dinner table with notes by each of the plate that were addressed to prices kids. So she was planning on having the kids come home from the sleepover and their dad. They're that.

Oh my. That's, that's so disturbing. But before that could happen, she took overdose staunt pills. Yeah. So they didn't have a random eating him. Don't worry. Oh, good. Yeah. Price's head, when the police walked in,

you know, they're like, OK, well, this guy's decapitated, whereas his head was found cooking, literally, cooking, in a pot on the stove. She was just cooking his head. That is, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know either. After this, sometime later,

Katherine arranges the body. So she does all this, right? She makes this whole fancy dinner and everything. So then she goes back to the body and takes what's left of the body and kind of like poses it and drapes the body over a 1.25 liter of soft drink, like a bottle. And then like kind of crosses his legs and like poses him.

And she did it to like embarrass him. So everything she had done wasn't even enough. She like did it to then make it seem like after he, and killers do this, like if killers are showing remorse, most of the time you'll find a body covered up or like in, you know, if killers are trying to prove a point, they'll pose a body in like a praying position or, you know, like you see this serial killer, sometimes it's their M.O. The way the body is posed, like they love the, and that's what she did. It's just all power to her everything has to do with. Yeah.

She puts a note on top of his head that said, and I'm gonna tell you how it spelled because it's... Oh, I just, I can't believe this is real. I mind blown right nowater, meaning daughter, you two beck, which is price's daughter, for Ross, for little John, which is his son, now play with little John's dick, John price. What? Doesn't make sense. Literally literally, which it just shows where her head was at. It's completely spelled wrong, and the note doesn't even make sense. She's not even a sentence.

She's got her own world. Not her head. She's just living in a different world. Which, so Catherine pleads not guilty to the crimes at first. She's like, I didn't do that. But then after talking to her lawyers, they decide to change her plea to guilty. And at the sentence hearing, Catherine's lawyers go up before an ask if she can be excused from the room, just to avoid hearing some of the facts about the case. So it's almost like she didn't know what she had done.

Because the lawyers go to the judge and say, hey, we just, we need her to be excused from the room while we talk about the case. Or maybe they were afraid she was gonna go nuts. we just, we need her to be excused from the room while, while we talk about the case. Or maybe they're afraid she was gonna go nuts. Well, so the judge says no. No way. She committed this crime. She's going to sit here and listen to it while we sentence her. And when a doctor takes the stand to testify about what had happened to the body, the skinning, the decapitation,

Catherine becomes hysterical and has to be sedated. So she does freak out. Is she freaking out? Because like crying freaking out or like going crazy? I think going crazy. Because they had to sedate her, which means they put medicine in her. She's flailing all over the place. Okay.

And so it's kind of weird because her lawyers like almost knew. Yeah. So I wonder if they had talked about it beforehand and she had done that beforehand. And so it's kind of weird because her lawyer is like almost new. So I wonder if they had talked about it beforehand and she had done that beforehand. She started going crazy. Yeah, yeah. I mean, they probably knew she was crazy after talking to her for five minutes. I mean, they convinced her to change her plea. So she was sentenced at that hearing.

She sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole becoming the first Australian woman to do that. And she's ordered to never be released. She's tried to appeal many times but has been denied. And that's the story of Catherine Mary Knight. That makes sense right away why she was the first person to be. And also I think looking at the signs just like me and you were doing, every common person is going to go, why wasn't she already in prison? And so to make up for it, they put her life in prison. They put her life in prison.

Yeah, I mean, she stabbed people. She tried to kill her kids. I don't understand why she wasn't in prison already. I know. So here's, so this is where we get to something that me and you have talked about before and something that I have You know Come to the conclusion of after listening to so many cases is How can you even be on a human spectrum of mind and do what she did? Yeah, I mean I

Don't know how deep we want to get into that, right? No, I'm just saying in general, like, I know what you're saying. I mean, she obviously was not mentally stable. She's not. I'm not saying she belongs in the public. She doesn't belong in the public. No, no, no, no. But I'm just saying, it's not like you, we're not holding her to the same standard as if you killed me.

You know, she's just, she's the definition of crazy. Yeah. And so, yeah, I mean, that's, that's what we run into with this case is like there was no mental stability for a long time. And so, I mean, the issue, the issue, meaning her, should have been taking care of a lot sooner than this, but it wasn't. And. I was gonna ask you if you thought,

or we were gonna talk about, I was gonna ask you if you thought she was guilty, but I think that one's out of the question. Yeah. I mean, obviously she's guilty. Yeah. It's just, you know, to the point of, where was she mentally?

Because I mean, they do in America, they do have like the where you can not be held completely liable for a crime because of your mental stability. And so I don't know if they have that in Australia. I should have looked that up, but I didn't. It's hard because I still think she should be in prison for life. I mean, I I still think she should be in prison for life. I mean, I don't think she should be in the public. Or like you said in the public. She should be somewhere, contain. I completely agree.

For the rest of her life. But it's to, you know, it's like. She's crazy. Yeah. I've said that a lot, but she really is. And prison, I'm speaking for the United States of America. I'm not speaking for Australia. Prison is about reform.

That's what they call it. Yeah. They call prison reform. Is it them? Is it though? I mean. That's another question. I mean, go throw back to our case last week.

People did not want to send him to prison. Scott Peterson to prison for reform. They wanted to send him there for punishment. Which it is. I mean, it is a form of punishment though. Yeah, and so then I do believe that people should be held, you know, liable for their crimes. A cannibal.

100%. But at the same time, I think that people like Catherine need help. Yeah, it's hard. I think, and I think that's where maybe our minds differ as far as why you like murder so much because you like, well, she needs help. Well, she needs this. And I think my first thought is this lady is nuts and needs to go to prison for the rest of her life.

And don't, don't get me wrong. I'm not taking away from the fact that she murdered someone and that John Price's life mattered and that his kids mattered and that everyone she hurt in her lifetime mattered. And that she needs to be held reliable for that. Yeah, you're just digging deep into it and trying to figure some things out. I'm just trying to go to a part of me has a hard time judging when clearly, clearly she was not mentally stable. Yeah.

Well, that was a good one. Is a quick one. I mean, this is a lesser known murder, so there's not gonna be a whole bunch of information on it. This one was just straight out of a move you were just like, I don't know, from the baby on the train tracks to running around with an axe to cooking somebody's head, like she was a monster.

Oh yeah, oh yeah, but not a sane monster. You know, like, you know. I don't know, I was a crazy one. I'm sure they're not all this crazy. No. I mean, these murders were uncalled for. They were unreasonable. It didn't really make sense. Whereas like, there are murders out there that it's like, this was the reason why. Whereas we couldn't really give a reason why in this one other than

that she was mentally unstable. This one was just straight to the extremes. Yeah. Totally. And I just wish that there was a way that we could see the signs beforehand. I mean, I feel like you kind of did, right? With. Yeah, but it's like then she shouldn't have been still with children. Yeah, no. And she shouldn't have been in the public, you know, after you put a child on a train track and left them there to die, After you've stabbed how many people

at what point is it like we just you know okay that's it like that was your last job. Yeah yeah I don't know it's a hard one. It's so hard and I'm just spewing opinions here like I don't know what is right and what is wrong. I would be interested to hear from our listeners. Yeah. Kind of their opinion on it because there really is no right or wrong answer. In my opinion, like I can see both sides clearly. So it kind of tells how you feel about this whole situation and what we've talked about with Catherine. Gosh, that's crazy. Yeah, no.

I, this is a good one. Um, I don't know. I'm kind of still a little speechless. Just at the end of the whole Baking the head and you're gonna fear the kids that just I just I left out like okay This is gonna tell you how bad this story was there were some things that like for me to read It's kind of okay, but for me to say out loud. I wasn't comfortable saying okay, and so I left some details out in that way So if you're listening and want to know those details,

just go look her up, literally Google her name, Murderpedia will be the first thing to pop up and read the story. Or I don't know, there's going to be plenty of other sources out there on this story. So read that. I mean, the web is a murder person's dream. Seriously, that and read it.

Yeah, right? Yeah, go to read it. I love read it because it has like kind of conspiracy theories when it comes to murder which is like there's not really that much proof on it but it's like look put two and two together and this is what you get and I like love those type things. And we're trying to tell or I'm not telling I'm listening but my wife we're trying to like tell these stories and still be, I guess relaxed about it and funny and not be too serious.

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