Murder With My Husband - 25. Tair Rada – The Kind School Girl

Episode Date: August 31, 2020

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Yes, you energy. Energy for everything. Captain Banner now to our podcast. This is Murder with my husband. I'm Peyton Moreland. And I'm Garrett Moreland. And he's the husband. And I'm the husband. I'm really excited about our case this week. It was suggested to us by one of our listeners from Israel. I have to preface that this case is detailed and heavy and probably deserves a whole entire podcast dedicated to it. I am going to do my best to sum it up

into one episode for you guys. That being said, there will probably be details that you might have wanted to discuss further, but we don't get into it. So please go online to our social media accounts. It's murder with my husband on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and drop your ideas there. We can all discuss it and if you have anything to add, please, please do it. I have to say you guys are amazing.

For this case, I was actually able to hop on an hour and a half long call with the listener in Israel who suggested it. Yes, it was midnight there and the middle of the day here, but she gladly talked to me. She gave me an inside look on this case, cleared up some rumors, and answered all of my questions. A lot of the information that I have actually came from her and I really can't think her and you guys enough. This whole thing is wild. I can't even believe that. I get to do this.

Okay, so Gary should we just jump right into it? Let's do it. Okay, so my sources are www.ynetnews.com, www.jpost.com, www.timesofisrael.com, there's a Netflix documentary on this called Shadow of Truth. So the setting is Katzreen Israel, which is a village-like place in the North. It's December of 2006, and Ilana Rada arrives home for the day. She walks into her home and notices that her daughter's backpack, which is usually there, is missing. She calls out for her to no avail.

Ilana becomes instantly worried and begins searching for her daughter. She calls her phone, hoping to hear about her whereabouts, but there is no answer. It's late, completely dark outside, and 13-year-old, Thai-year rata is nowhere to be seen. Her father, Shemuel Rata, goes out into the night to look for her. Authorities are called and they begin searching as well. This kind of thing doesn't happen here. How could this young teenager just vanish? Ilana calls Tair's friends and asks around hoping does anyone know where she is but no one

does. Both Shamuel and Ilana know something is seriously wrong. Search parties begin looking for Tair in the cold of that December night. A neighbor in a group of people head over to Tair's school considering that this is the last place that she seems to have been seen. They look around outside where they find nothing, so they eventually head inside to Nafi Golan High School. They begin the search. Can you imagine searching classroom after classroom looking for this little girl? OK, so you said it's a small village.

Do you know exactly how small or how big it is? The listener just said that at this time, she wouldn't say that there was a whole bunch of internet going on. It was 2006, which I mean, internet wasn't huge anyways, genuine like then. But she was just kind of saying that it was she she was the one who explained it as a village that wasn't from the sources. She was the one who explained it to me

that. She said she lived near this place and she's never even visited there. That's how small it is. Okay. Y'all just trying to wrap my head around kind of trying to picture the picture. Everything. Yeah. So they're searching through the school. They can't find her. They make their way into a bathroom in the school and notice that all of the Stahl doors are open except one. So they check the handle and it's locked. And I need to mention here for our US listeners. This stall is not like the hanging stalls that most places here have. It's a real door that goes all the way down to the bottom of the floor. Oh, okay. So basically, it's like little rooms, the stalls are little rooms with toilets in them, except that the tops are open like ours. So you couldn't crawl underneath the stall door, but you could crawl above the stall door

to get out. Does that make sense? No, it makes sense. So, someone in the group peeks through a crack and thinks that they see something in the stall. The neighbor at this point crutches down putting his head into his hands. He's pretty sure that when they get this door open, he's not going to want to see what's inside. Oh wow. Shamuel and Ilana Rada are waiting for any information on the whereabouts of their daughter when the news comes. Tyair had been found in the third stall in the Nafi-Golan school bathroom.

She had been murdered. The media frenzy begins almost immediately. No one, not even family, was allowed to go inside the school. Tyre's body was a gruesome site that no one needed to see. Investigators claim that the scene was one of the most horrific they had ever seen. In the Netflix documentary that I watched, they do show crime scene photos, never of Ty Ears face or anything, but it was bad. Like, I was stunned about the amount of blood that was in the stall. They walk in and the bathroom looks fairly normal, just like a school bathroom. And then you get into, they open the door

and you get into that third stall and it literally looks like a saw movie. That's crazy. And I know we're going to get into it probably, but it's interesting that someone can be murdered at a school just considering how many people are there and there's so much to it. Yeah, no. So this is what's kind of heartbreaking is these parents send their daughter to school, thinking she's going to be safe just for her to get murdered in broad daylight. I never come home again.

Tyre had been mutilated, stabbed, and beaten. Ilana says that after she found out, she doesn't really remember what else happened until about three weeks later. She was completely numb after hearing the news about her daughter. The schoolgirl murder, that's the nickname, spreads quickly through the media and everyone in the country was talking about the murder. The quiet town of Golden Heights did not know how to deal with this amount of attention.

Public pressure on the cops was almost instant. They needed to find who the killer was and they needed to find him fast. Forensics collect blood, hair, fingerprints, and DNA evidence, but nothing that's going to immediately help them catch the killer. So they begin interviewing everyone in Tyyear's life. Everyone is wondering how this could have happened. This school was actually fenced. There were hundreds of people at school, like you said.

And there was even a guard at the school, like standing guard at the entrance. You know if it was a like a private or public school, did they have those over there? It did say, yeah, I don't know. And my listener didn't say anything about that. But I mean, it seems like a nice school, if it was fenced, and like the picture of the school was nice.

Okay. Rumors start to circulate almost immediately about the murder. It's a small town. There was talk of a satanic cult maybe going into the school and killing her. Another big one is like that there were mean girls. So just a ton of rumors. Yes, just a ton of rumors immediately fly off.

The school psychologist claims to police, which I'm pretty sure that's like the counselor. Okay. You know how we have counselors? I think it's similar. They claim to police or she claims to police that she saw a suspicious and disturbed looking young man in the teacher's lounge the day of the murder. Okay.

Oh, I do need to clarify right now, there was no sexual assault on tires, body. So it was just a murder? It was just a murder. Not saying just a murder, but. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm saying that there was not that extra level of sexual assault added into the case.

Okay. So, the psychologist goes, I think it's the school gardener. That's who I think I saw, but he just looked super panicked and strange and just off. He looked off. So, police immediately arrest the school gardener. Really? This is the first sign in this case that it doesn't take much evidence just theory to accuse people. Yeah. So they arrest, the arrest is public knowledge.

Police were wanting everyone to know that they are close. They had arrested a suspect. But when they interview the gardener, they realized that he wasn't even at the school that day, and his alibi is solid. So the police were freaking out basically just trying to do whatever they could to figure this out. So yeah so the gardeners released and that actually means that the psychologist who said that she saw him didn't even see him because he wasn't even at the school that day. Police bummed out that this guy didn't work out make a list of everyone at the school that day that they could question. On that list is a man named Romans Adorv, a temporary tile

worker who had just finished up his project for the school the same day of Tyre's murder. All it takes is the police to notice the small physical resemblance that Roman had to the school gardener and they bring him in for questioning. What? Cops immediately interrogate Roman. They ask him what he wore the day of the murder and he says that he has everything in his house, but that he'd actually thrown out the pants that he wore that day because they didn't fit. They were too short.

So police arrest him. Okay. They hold him, they hold him in for questioning for hours. Roman claims he's innocent the whole time. He's saying it over and over. Police discover that Roman didn't have Israeli citizenship. He had, he actually was there on a working permit, which ended up being illegal. So he was there illegally.

He was a Ukrainian immigrant. He was married and he was just working in this town. Upon further questioning, police discover that Roman collects knives. He hung them from his wall as decoration, just like Catherine Mary Knight did from our first episode. That's right. A few days before the murder, Roman had actually searched online, how to subdue an enemy with a knife. So police are like kind of onto this guy. Yeah. They find pornography in Roman's house, which they claim includes underage girls. So now they're like the studes of pedophile.

Would that be weird to you? The whole how does subdue someone with a knife? Yeah. I mean like I think that's weird. I think if you brought someone in for questioning and a murder and you found out that just a little bit before they searched that, I think that's definitely a red flag. But I mean, I've searched, I mean, like, I'm searching murder all the time online. So I mean, if I was probably going in for questioning,

police would probably look at me like I was crazy too, you know? No, I feel like sometimes I search things online and I'm like, was someone saw what I search? They probably be like, what are you doing? Yeah, exactly. So I mean, I think it's a red flag in this case, but I also, It could just be a coincidence.

I think you have to add everything together. I don't think that alone could convict him. Yeah. So, Romans wife Olga tells police that she knew about the murder of the little girl, Tyre, because Roman had actually received a call from his employer, and he took the call out on the balcony so that she wouldn't hear. So when he came back in, he told her that his employer had just called and said

that a little girl had fallen into the toilet in a bathroom at the school, and so he didn't have to come into work. Oh, so he didn't even go in the work that day? Well, so, okay, so this I was confused on this as well, because it said they finished up his project, but this is the next day. Okay. So I'm not sure if maybe they were like, you need to go back and do something or maybe he really wasn't finishing up his project.

It was more just that week. I don't know. Like I said, some of the sources in this case are translated over. And so the English is kind of broken sometimes. So sometimes it's hard to really get the true fact. So let me just clear this up. The employer called him the day after she was murdered. Yes.

OK. He took the call in the balcony. So his wife couldn't hear. Came back in the wife. He was like, what was that? And he's like, I don't have to go into work today because a little girl fell in a bathroom. Got it.

So when police follow up and talk to the employer, he tells them that he didn't even mention the murdered little school girl on their phone call because he didn't even know about it yet. Okay. And so when police confront Roman with this information, he tells them, okay, it's true. My employer really didn't say anything about the bathroom.

I just told my wife that. And they were like, well, why would you randomly say that a little girl fell in a toilet in a bathroom? And he said, well, I don't know. I just heard that this little girl had been murdered in a school and I thought maybe that's what had happened. That's kind of weird. So at this point, police tell Roman that Tiers blood

was found all over his stuff. Her blood was on his shoes, on his tools from that day, and Roman tells them, that's impossible. Like it's impossible because I didn't kill her. That's literally impossible. And he remains adamant that he did not commit this murder. He says, maybe her blood was in the men's bathroom, because I went her blood was in the men's bathroom, because I went to the bathroom in the men's bathroom. Maybe I stepped in it or something and that's how it got on my shoes, but I don't know. Was it really all over his stuff or were they just trying to convict him?

So they were lying. Okay. I'm ahead of the game. Yes. But there was no blood DNA, blood DNA on his stuff. Okay. But they can do that. Like even here, you can do that. You can lie about that stuff to try to get a confession out. Because maybe it makes him sweat.

And then he's like, okay fine, I did it. You know. Oh, I don't realize you could do that. Yeah, and interrogations, cops can bend the truth a little bit. So that night, they put an informant in the gel cell with Roman. It's all recorded, you can go back and watch it, I watched it, and they are hoping to get a confession out of him, maybe putting up a guy that was in the same situation as him, maybe he'll confess what he did to this guy. So Roman asks

the informant if police can fabricate evidence here in Israel. Remember he's not from here, and the informant's like, no, they can't. So that blood was all 100% found on your stuff. And Roman tells us, tell me, you know, well, the people at the school and in this town treat me pretty bad because I'm an immigrant and it kind of pisses me off a little bit. And he also tells him that he's had times where blood has rushed into his head and he can't remember his actions. He tells him that he's beat his brother so bad before but he couldn't remember it. He just woke up and his brother was beaten.

He states that maybe he could have killed her. He's like, maybe I did it but I just don't remember. And is this all recorded? Yes. Okay, I just didn't know if it was just that guy's word. Yes, so here's the thing though, it's in Russian because they put someone in there that could speak, he is like soul language. Got it. So when I was talking to our listener, she said, some people have said that the translations

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because she didn't realize what was happening when he killed her. He claims that he had lied to detectives. He says that he killed her and that there were no eyewitnesses, but maybe he forgot to clean up the blood in the men's bathroom, which is probably how they got the blood evidence on his shoes. And the informant and him stand up and he literally role plays the whole murder with him. Holds him, says, this is how I stabbed her. I turned her like this.

I did this. What? This is all in the jail cell. Just that I've know where he started. Just saying, yeah, I did it. And this is how I did this. What? This is all in the jail cell. Just that I've know where he started. Just saying, yeah, I did it. And this is how I did it. And they get the, like, he confesses with the informant in there. OK.

So the next day, cops bring him in, and he denies everything again at first. And they're like, hey, we heard you last night in the cell. And he's like, yeah, but I really didn't do it. I was just confused. I was just saying that I thought maybe I didn't. I didn't remember, but I really didn't do it. Like I was just confused. I was just saying that I thought maybe I didn't, I didn't remember, but I really didn't do it. And they're like, no, you did it.

And so then he's like, okay, fine, I did it. Like I'm confessing, I did it. And he tells them that she had, when they're like, why, why did you do it? He goes, well, she swore at me. She called me a son of a bee and it triggered me. So I followed her up into the bathroom and I can't really remember anything that happened after that. Oh, so he left that part out though.

Yes. So cops take him to the school, back to the school. They're like, you need to reenact everything. We're going to film it and you need to react how everything goes. Is it so crazy? He went from, I didn't do it to talking to this informant. Within less than a day. This is, yeah, this is crazy. So less than two weeks after Tiera, Rada's murder, they had arrested the killer.

That's how fast they caught him was two weeks. The next day, Roman hires an attorney and recants his confession. He states that he was under pressure and that the cops led him to say it. As he tells the story from his perspective to the public into his attorneys, things really do stop adding up. In the interrogation tapes that are later released, Roman is pleading with them that he's innocent. I'm innocent. I swear I didn't do it the whole time.

He's just like, I'm innocent. I didn't do it. The cops had him crammed into this little room and there are constantly more than one detective in there with him. And the whole time during the tapes, they're calling him names, degrading him, calling him like a Russian yelling at him the whole time in his face. You're stupid. You did it. Just say you did it. You're stupid. you did it. And he's like, I didn't do it. And they're like, stop lying, you did it. They're just yelling at him. Which, I mean, there's been tons of cases in the US where that happens. And they actually didn't do it. They just, they just say they did because they're so tired. So remember that Roman is an immigrant though. And he doesn't know very much Hebrew. So there's a language barrier. There's literally a part in the tapes, and I watch these where the cops tell him, you understand that you're

a suspect of murder, right? And he goes, what does murder mean? He doesn't even know the word murder. Why didn't the cops bring in someone to translate? Because I don't think that they were really carrying about Roman side. They just wanted to arrest somebody. Yes, they were under so much pressure pressure. They just wanted to say yes. And after figuring out that he lied and he said something about the bathroom and then that he had looked that up and the pornography and after all of these other things, I think they were like, yeah, we got the guy. Got it. And I mean, then he goes in with this informant and is like, oh, I've beat my brother before. And this is exactly how I did it. You know, that hurts really weird. Yeah. So you can really tell during the tapes that he doesn't

really understand what's going on. Like he just keeps saying, no, I didn't do it. No, I didn't do it. So the only time that we see him really talking is in the cell with the cell, the informant, because he's getting to speak Russian to him, so he's kind of more understanding what the guy's saying and everything. So now I'm gonna tell you some more stuff that happened in the cell footage that comes out later. So the informant comes out and says,

oh, this is what he told me. And then the footage comes out and it's like, well, he told him that, but there was more to the story. Got it, okay, yeah, let's go. So in the cell, he says, he tells him, he's like, everyone says that her blood is all over my stuff. And I don't know, like, maybe I did it

and I don't remember. I just, I'm confused if they're not lying, if they're not fabricating the evidence, how is her blood all over my stuff? And the guy tells them the informant goes, well, people kill all the time and don't remember that they did it. He's like, he like explains to him. He's like, they have these blackouts and they kill people and then they wake up and they don't remember that he did it. So he's like convincing him almost. And he goes, well, maybe I did it because there was this one time where I beat up my brother and I don't really remember it doing it, but I beat him up bad.

Okay. And he's like, yeah, you probably killed her and don't remember it. It's always so hard. You need to look at the whole story all the time. So he goes, you know, and I really did just throw out my pants because they were too short. Like I don't remember them having blood on them or anything, but maybe they did. And that's normal thing to throw out your pants. He's like, maybe they had blood on them. That's why I threw them out. But I don't remember them having blood on them or anything, but, but maybe they did. And that's normal thing to throw out your pants. He's like, maybe they had blood on them.

And that's why I threw him out. But I don't remember that. I only remember throwing him out because they were too short. God, he's so confused. And you have to remember he was just in an interview for hours with people speaking a language that he barely understood. It sucks. It's hard to because when people say like, how he came back in and said,

oh, yeah, it's fine, like I did it. Yeah. They just get under that much pressure, they're just over it. It's interesting. But at the same time, he has said things, I mean, I watched the whole thing and there were times I was back and forth. There were times where I was like, why would he say that just, you know, the whole bathroom thing with the employer.

How did he even know she was in the black bathroom? Or did he really just think, oh, a girl was murdered at school had to have happened in the bathroom? Yeah, that's kind of. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, his cellmate tells him, you probably don't remember doing it. And then he goes, also, if you confess, your sentence will be shorter than if you go to trial.

If you take this all the way to trial and you get convicted guilty, you'll get life. But if you confess now tomorrow in the morning, you'll get manslaughter. That's only six or seven years. So they were, so it was the informant. I mean, obviously he was on the cop side. Yeah. But it's just kind of interesting that they just go this far. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So the cellmate tells him exactly what to say to the cops the next day. They start working out the confession. And it's getting pretty late into the night. And this guy has been, you know, he's tired, I'm sure.

And they start working out the confession. And they're like, he's like, go in and say that you didn't know what you were doing. And that you are getting tired of getting treated like crap. And that she called you a son of a B and it just triggered you and that's why you had your blackout. And they compare. That's so crazy. They compare him telling him what to say and then what he says and with the cops next day and they are almost word for word.

That's so crazy. So before the cops take him back to the school to do the reenactment on the video, there's a part where they tell him, okay, we're gonna take you to school and you just need to go in and you need to show us everything that happened. And he goes, this is after he's confessed. And he goes, okay, yeah, except for, I don't really know what happened at the school. And they're like, Roman, knock it off, stop lying, just go to the school and tell us what happened.

I'm telling you I did it, but I don't really know what happened at the school. And so then they start walking him through, okay, well, did you lead her up the stairs? And he's like, yeah, I let her up the stairs. And then they're like, okay, and then did you go like in this stall? Did you go in the third stall? And he's like, yeah, I went in the third. Why is he just saying yes to everything?

I think because he thinks that they have that blood evidence and that maybe he really did go in the men's bathroom and step on her blood. Cause I think at that point, he didn't even know this was in the girls' bathroom. He's, he's almost convinced himself that he did it. Did it. And I think he really did think that.

Or he really did do it. Yeah, he totally really did think that, or he really did do it. Yeah, he totally convinced himself I committed a murder. So Roman's attorneys ask the police at this time. If there's any actual physical evidence, like the blood evidence, or they know the blood evidence wasn't true, but is there any actual physical DNA linking him

to the crime scene? And the cops are like, yeah, we found his DNA in the bathroom. And they're like, well, crap, Roman, now we're screwed. Because you said you weren't in the woman's bathroom. And now they found your DNA in the bathroom. I thought they lied about that. They lied about the blood. They said they found his actual DNA in the bathroom.

So this is reported. And they're like, yeah, he's the man. They found his DNA. They attorneys are like Roman We don't know what like much more we can do for you physical evidence We can't really argue with that and then it comes out that the police told the media that they found his physical DNA and they lied Wait, so they did lie about it again to the media and to the attorneys, which is completely illegal. Oh, I would assume that, I mean, maybe it's the same outside of the US, but I assume a case would just get dismissed after that.

You would think. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, here it would 100% get dismissed because that's illegal. It's like, whoa, what's going on? Yeah, that's like completely, you literally can't do that. To an attorney, you can't lie.

In a interrogation, you can bend the truth, but to the attorneys and to the media and to everyone involved, they were like, we'll find the DNA, they were testing it. So they were like, it's gonna be his. So we'll just say it was his and then the testing came back and it wasn't a match. It obviously wasn't his. Yeah.

So there was hair, shoe prints, and blood everywhere and none of it was linked back to him in the bathroom. Okay. They took Romans washing machine apart and found absolutely no evidence of tayer in it. This is such a rollercoaster. There was no blood anywhere on his shoes or clothes, but there was blood everywhere. So how did he not get it anywhere? They literally took his wedding ring apart to try to find her blood DNA and there was

no DNA in his wedding ring. And so there's also no motive. Like the, what he says in his confession was that the motive was that she was being racist against me. But that's not, I mean, she's a teenage girl and her mom and dad came out and said she didn't cuss. So there's no way she would have called him that. Like that wasn't usual behavior for her.

Why did Roman say that whole part? Why did he say, well, she called me a beaver. He, the informant said, well, do they treat you like crap here? And he said, yeah, they do treat me like crap here. They treat me bad at the school and it does piss me off. They, because I'm an immigrant. And he said, well, then tell them that's the reason why you blacked out. Oh, so he made that up. I got it. So He said, well, then tell him that's the reason why you blacked out. Oh, so he made that up. So he said, yeah, I do. And our listeners said, no,

it's true. Like they're not that happens. 100%. Yeah. So also the week of the murder, Romans son was born. And his Israeli citizenship was just finalizing. So there really was no, like why screw it all up. There was no motive at all. Just got a newborn. Yeah, he he was married. Um, over 700 people who are convicted of murder in the United States have been proven innocent. That's so interesting. I mean, well, maybe we'll cover it at some point, but that one and I had a whole false. Yeah, the one and I had a whole false. He confessed 22. Yeah, the one and I had a whole false. He confessed 22 yet. I think it was like 20 years later or something. Well, he went to jail. Yeah, he went to jail. He sat in prison and right after

he confessed the next day, same exact story, the next day he said, wait, I didn't do it. I just, I was tired. I thought I was going to get out. Yeah. They told me if I did it, I wouldn't go to prison. Like, if I signed the paper saying I did it. And he sat there and then they retested the DNA 20 years later and he was like innocent. Yeah, that's crazy. They let him out. And he was like, I confess because that's what they told me to do.

Yeah, it's so crazy. So another thing about the cops is they offered him money if he would confess. They said if you confess, we'll give you this amount of money, which I feel like that's like completely illegal. I don't really know. And another thing is that his confession and reenactment didn't add up. So what he confessed was that he followed her up the stairs, but then when they interviewed two of the classmates, they said that they actually saw her going up the stairs and no one was following her.

No one was around. People actually saw her going in the bathroom and they said no guy was following her up. But in his confession, he said he did that. Another thing is, the police were coaching him before they go do the reenactment. They coach him about what he's going to do when he gets there. Remember, he's like, I don't even know what happened when I, when I, like, at the school. And the problem is in their coaching,

they actually made a mistake. So they told him that the murderer was on this floor, but it was actually the wrong one. And so when he gets there, he leads them up to that floor, and there's no bathroom, and it's the wrong floor. And so then the cops like turn around, and then they just turn back around and go back down

the stairs to the right bathroom. So what is the jury and everyone thinking about this? So there's no jury in Israel. Oh. It's just a judge. Well, there was actually three judges. There's three judges, and it's just the lawyers have to convince the judges.

Isn't that kind of scary, because it can be corrupt? Oh, totally. Totally. When I was talking to our listener about this, she was like, I see both sides. She's like, you know, I wish there were jury because then it's not just, you know, up to the police, basically, because the court's always going to take the cop side. That's just how it is. And she said that actually at one point in Israel, they had like a 99% conviction rate. Oh, that's horrible. So if you went to trial you were almost 100% getting convicted. Yeah. But she said then at the same time though in America you guys do let off a lot of people

who are guilty. That's true. Because it's a jury and they're easily swayed and all of the and I was like it's true. Like we have let off people who obviously did it. Both totally have their pros and cons. It's a good point. So, here's some things that didn't really add up once they got all of the evidence and everything back.

They ask him what position he left her in when they're interviewing him and he lays down on the floor and he's like, this is what I left her in and they tell him, no, Roman, stop it. Do it right. Tell the truth. So he gets up and he's like, well, I don't really know what position she was in. He doesn't say that, but he's just standing there. And they kind of like help him get into the position that he, that she was in.

Yeah. So he literally said she was on the floor, but she wasn't. She was on the toilet. So this is crazy. They also ask him where he wounded her and he kind of guesses. He's like, well, I think I stabbed her in the stomach. And then I think I stabbed her on the shoulder and they're like, no, where else could you wound someone?

Could you wound him on your arm? And he's like, oh, yeah, yeah, I wounded her on her arm because she threw up her arm and self-defense and I cut it. Is this all being recorded or how, okay. And they're like, yes, yes, you I wounded her on her arm because she threw up her arm and self defense and I cut it. Is this all being recorded or how are okay? Yes, and they're like, yes, yes, you did wound her on the arm. But then all the evidence comes back and the cut on the arm happened after she had died. So there's no way she could have thrown up her arm and self defense. It's kind of funny to me that the cops even think that this can hold up with everything going on.

He also says, okay, also I didn't rape her. So if she was raped, I didn't rape her and that was someone else and I'll give you my DNA, I killed her but I didn't rape her. And they're like, oh no, no, no, we know you didn't rape her, she wasn't raped, we believe you. So he was scared that she was raped

and he was like, I'll say I killed her but I didn't rape her. Like he didn't want to, he didn't want to, and if he had killed her, he would have known that she wasn't raped. He even had to say that. The knife, he says that he used, didn't make the wounds on the body. It was like a serrated knife, and he was using like a Japanese knife that's just a straight, like, skinny knife. And so, forensics came back and were like, that couldn't have been the knife that he used. So, all in all, these were the main things he got wrong. He didn't follow

the victim up the stairs. He got the location of the murder scene wrong. He got the victim's position wrong. He got the location of her wounds wrong. He got the sexual assault wrong, and he also got the murder weapon wrong. I mean, I don't know what I finished yet, but it seems like there's no way this guy could have done this. I mean, so his trial begins July 2nd, 2007. During this, Tier's mom decides Roman did not do it. At the trial, she's like, there is no sufficient evidence. This is bogus.

Oh, the actual mom or the girl? You guys coach him and go out there and find the actual killer. Find the actual guy. Prosecution presents some new evidence from crime scene photos. La-di-da-di-da. They go, they try to convince the judge. They end up convincing him. He gets sentenced to life in prison.

What? How does that even happen? They brought in a guy who was like, look at this blood stain on her pants. That's his shoe print. Even though there were three other shoe prints in the blood in the actual stall that didn't match his. How can the cops even think he did it? That's so messed up.

I think we see, I mean, this happened also in the Idaho Falls case. They don't want to admit they made a mistake. They've pushed this guy. They've released things to the public. They've basically said he's our killer. Let's wrap it up and put a bow on it and get a gold star for doing our job. And if it turns out that they're wrong, they've gotten ego.

They don't want it. It's so crazy. Because I understand when there's little things here and there, but this seems pretty obvious that he didn't do it. I mean, there was things though. Like I do think that him getting up and saying, actually, I lied to the cops with the informant. This is how I killed her and like showing how the other was weird. Also it comes out at trial that the pornography that they said was underage girls wasn't underage

girls. It was just really their porn, which makes sense to me because my biggest thing was why kill her, no motive, and he didn't sexually assault, and I know this is horrible, but normally people kill so that they can sexually assault. A guy would kill a young girl because he's a pedophile and he wants to sexually assault her. There was no sexual assault. So I think that's even where they tried to play him as a pedophile because he didn't even do the thing that he would be killing for. Yeah. That's the case. He has used up all of his appeals. What you're kidding me. It got taken to like this Supreme Court of of Israel, not even the town of the

country. And they still said two to one. They denied him. Oh my gosh. So he's just in prison still. They're working on getting it retried for new evidence. They've tested all the hair. There was so much hair found in the bathroom

in her hand, clumps of hair. All over, you can see it in the crime scene photos. That's how much hair none of it belongs to him. It's all long black hair, like a woman. So I think what the scary thing is, if it's not him, the killer just got away in the small town. Um, the documentary, the last episode of the documentary, the attorneys find you a new killer. They say this is who actually did it. They don't expose the name because she was taken in and questioned.

After he was already imprisoned for the murder and she was let go. But what happened was years, years after the murder. This guy called the police and was like, I have information about her case, my ex-girlfriend murdered her. She came home that day, told me, showed me all of the evidence, and she murdered her, and she's crazy,

and she talks all the time about how much she loves blood and that there's a wolf inside of her. What? It wants to kill people and slash people and I never said anything because it was hard and it was a toxic relationship but now that we're broken up I'm telling you. So the cops go get the girl and they're like, hey, he said this and she's like, no, he's crazy, he's just mad that we're not together and it was a toxic relationship. She had claimed that he had raped her. It was just a bad situation. She's like, now he's just trying to get at me and like frame me for this one. I didn't even do it. So then she's like, no, I don't even believe in a shewolf. I don't

even like blood. I don't even know what he's talking about. A couple months. So the cops just like drop it. A couple months later, she gets arrested arrested She went over to his apartment almost killed him with a bottle. She gets arrested comes in and is like, I'm a she wolf. I love blood So the cops are like what? He said might be true They brought him in arrested him and said you raped her Sit in prison treated him bad sent her to a hospital and never once looked back into it for the murder So the listener that I talked to said she doesn't think that this girl did it She said I think this couple has problems

I think it was a toxic environment. I do think you know she does have some mental health problems But I don't think she killed her. Okay, so I and and I don't know, the evidence was pretty strong in the documentary, but also the documentary was biased. It was, it was framed to make you feel like she did it. So I don't know. It's so hard. That is a hard one. Well, it, it just, it really sucks.

I feel so bad for people that get wrongly convicted. Convicted. And this woman, there's three people have come forward saying that this woman confesses to them that she killed her. Are they going to do anything like they're trying, they're trying, but think he's all out of a pills and the Supreme Court has already had DNA, they have DNA still right? They won't they, okay, apparently they lost the hair DNA. Oh, you kidding me.

But they did, he claimed that she wore a wig when his girlfriend went to killer that she put on a wig so that she wouldn't be recognized. One of the pieces of DNA that they tested was a synthetic hair. Is it a hand that have it still? I don't know. They, they aren't being completely open about what exactly they've lost and what they haven't lost. Wow, this is crazy.

And it's hard like there, it's hard to get the DNA tested. They stopped all DNA testing as soon as he confessed. Dang. I don't even know what else there is to say because it just kind of stops. So the other main one was that the classmates got the classmates did it. There was she had been being harassed.

And okay, this was not for sure on all of the sources and it might have just been here say, but there were some saying that some of the mean girls at school had given her death threats. Geez. And so she had been like wanting to change classes and I guess just been being bullied and the day of her murder she told one of her teachers that she was scared of death and that she was down Dang it's like Lord of the flies. I know and so there were a couple of the classmates who a lot of scary true crime people blamed and then harassed and so these girls lives like got ruined and Still to this day like their name is tarnished there because a lot of people think that they did it and my

Personal theory on it is I don't know. It's so confusing, but I do think that it was a woman killer I think it was a girl. What makes you say that? And this is all just my opinion. There's no factual evidence on this. So if you don't want to hear it, you can just stop listening now. I think that the no sexual assault has a big part to do with it. Okay.

That's just based off of facts and off of percentage and statistics, right? Like we just see that. So I think it's a little weird that there was no sexual assault but that the murder was so intense, it reminds me of the other friend murders that we've seen all family. Yeah, we're just so mad. And so gruesome, but there's no sexual assault

because that's not the reason they're doing it. Yep. And I'm not saying that her friends murdered her. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying that I think they should look into the people at the school a little bit closer because I also think it would be weird for someone off campus to come in,

stalk her until she gets into the bathroom and then kill her without being seen. The other major point about the friend thing is that it was like between five and 10 different girls went into the bathroom the time of the murder. During the time that she was murdered, they didn't interview any of them. They did. Oh, but the girls were just like, Oh, no, one of the girls said that she knocked on the bathroom stall and that someone said it was occupied. There was no blood that went outside the bathroom.

No, because the person clogged the, she put, she or he, put toilet paper down in between the crack and the floor and it soaked up all the blood. But I'm thinking even on your shoes on anything, right? So there was, the shoe prints. So you remember how the door was locked? Yeah.

So the killer stood on the toilet seat, then stood on top of the toilet, and then stood up on the wall, and hopped over into the other stall and came out. And there were blood chuprints all the way up. And so I'm like, how did they take their shoes off? I'm so confused. And then it just stopped.

There's no blood going outside the bathroom though. I mean, I may be a little bit, but not enough that's noticeable. Like, that's when I'm saying in the crime scene photos, it looked pretty normal. And then it was just a blood bath in the stall. Like, I don't even get it. And also, it looked like a struggle.

So how did all that happen? And six to 10 girls walked in and didn't notice that anything was wrong. Yeah, I don't know. So that's why a lot of people also think it was the friends, because they think all of the girls were in on it Mm-hmm, and we're coming in and out. I don't know how I feel about that theory that seems pretty wild I have no idea

But I honestly don't know I don't know who could have been I really don't I'm pretty lost in this one so the girl the the girl who Like was crazy that everyone said did it and she told three people she did it, but then said she didn't do it to the cops is still never confessing the cops didn't really look into it. She went to that school. No way. So she told her boyfriend that she went back to the school, went in the bathroom, waited

for the first girl to walk in and kill her because she wanted to kill. That's so freaky. Well, that's what the boyfriend said. She said. I think the only thing I know for sure, okay, I'm not going to say no for sure, but I personal opinion is I don't think Ramon did it. I don't know. He's still in job. He's still in job. I don't know if I believe that he did it. I could be totally wrong. So you and all of Israel. Okay. There have been protests. There have been petitions to get things re-looked at to get him released. Even, um, rabbis here in the United States have written in and been

like, you need to release him. This is not okay. Dada da. And nothing. Nothing. That's crazy. She, our listener was, was saying that it's a, this is such a big case because everyone thinks he's innocent, basically. And so she's like, it's a huge case because it's a huge injustice. Number one, he's sitting in prison for a crime that we don't think he committed here. And number two, her, it's no justice for her either because we don't have the real killer. Her murderer could still be out. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. It's a, I mean, it's a pretty, pretty crazy case.

So her dad, Schmwell, died of cancer in 2016, only one day after a synagogue was dedicated and named after her. And this case basically tore him apart. I guess he got super sick after. And yeah, it just wasn't good for him. So he passed and yeah, rest in peace. And then Ilana is actually still fighting

and trying to get this case reopened. Our listeners said we don't see a lot of very vocal people who are involved in cases like parents like this over there And that that she has just been amazing. She has just been an activist fighting for justice And she's still fighting to this day for her daughter and that's the case of Ty Arata from Israel. Wow And I do just want to say again this case. I mean there was so much I didn't even get to get to in this case So go look it up do your research. It is a it's a very Involved and heavy case. So this was just the summary that we could give you on the podcast

Wow, that was a crazy one. I mean it kind of sucks when you don't actually know what happened I know it's just it's up in the air it sucks because the whole time you're going back and forth Mm-hmm. I'm going well, maybe the girl did it. Maybe that girl that Confessed to three people supposedly did it or maybe Roman really did do it because there was a cro a couple weird Things about it or maybe it was a friends or maybe it was nobody, you know like you just you you just don't know and that's the hard part Is it going back and forth? I will be posting everyone that was involved in the case and everything on social media. So if you do want to put a face to a name, go ahead and follow us on there. It's murder with my husband on Instagram, Facebook and Twitter.

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