Murder With My Husband - 251. Jailed For A Dream - The Kent Heitholt Case

Episode Date: January 13, 2025

In this episode, Payton and Garrett explore the shocking murder of Kent Heitholt, a well-loved journalist killed outside his office. The case takes an unexpected turn when a local teen begins having vivid dreams revealing clues about the identity of the killer. LINKS: NEW MERCH LINK: https://mwmhshop.com Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/themwmh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/into-the-dark/id1662304327 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36SDVKB2MEWpFGVs9kRgQ7?si=f5224c9fd99542a7 Case Sources: TheCinemaholic.com - https://thecinemaholic.com/kent-heitholt-murder-how-did-he-die-who-killed-him/ ColumbiaTribune.com -https://www.columbiatribune.com/story/news/local/2021/10/18/kent-heitholt-murdered-20-years-ago-tribune-investigation-trial/8450130002/ Komu.com - https://www.komu.com/news/midmissourinews/new-justice-group-seeks-information-in-2001-murder-of-kent-heitholt/article_f1641e56-6c42-11ee-9bd6-639340b49e98.html FreeCharlesErickson.org - http://www.freecharleserickson.org/KentHeitholt.html KMBC.com -  https://www.kmbc.com/article/ryan-ferguson-thinks-he-knows-who-really-killed-kent-heitholt/3444678 EntertainmentNow.com - https://entertainmentnow.com/news/kent-heitholt-ryan-ferguson-accused-murdering/ Wikipedia.com - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_W._Ferguson#:~:text=Charles%20Erickson%20received%20a%2025,of%20his%2025%2Dyear%20sentence. CaseText.com - https://casetext.com/case/ferguson-v-state-338 ColumbianMissourian.com - https://www.columbiamissourian.com/opinion/local_columnists/erickson-ferguson-trial-still-disturbing-20-years-after-heitholt-murder/article_04c2f4f6-3e3f-11ec-bb82-8fcd153a1c45.html ColumbiaHeartbeat.com - https://columbiaheartbeat.com/columbia-life/crime/705-121013 NYPost.com -  https://nypost.com/2024/11/06/us-news/ryan-ferguson-receives-new-38m-payout-stemming-from-overturned-2005-wrongful-conviction/ Change.org - https://www.change.org/p/investigate-mike-boyd-for-the-murder-of-kent-heitholt-ab35bf3a-4fdb-45dd-8f86-d944ff9f3aa8 ABCNews.go.com - https://abcnews.go.com/US/murder-convict-freed-case-unravels/story?id=20207994 CBSNews.com - https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/kent-heitholt-murder-crime-scene-suspects/3/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I mean, we have lots of goals. It's one of our goals because I also have a procedure on the 21st. I'm not gonna say what I'm doing yet, or what's happening. I think you've already said it. Maybe I have, maybe I haven't, I don't know. I think Peyton and I are a little giddy this morning,

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a couple things that's going on in our lives right now. Guess we'll update you guys. Wait, did we tell them about my meniscus? Yeah, last week. Okay. Yeah. But no, we got the MRI back. MRI?

Yeah. Yeah, Peyton does have a torn meniscus. We got the MRI back. It is torn. It looks like a small to medium sized hair we're going to do some other things for surgery is gonna be last resort and We'll keep everyone updated But it is feeling the best today. It's felt in a while, which is good though I know I'm back on my Megan knees and Payton was trying to move around and I'm like

Get your butt back in bed. Nugget off. But she's doing good and I've been taking care of her. And yeah. But I have. Okay, keep going. Have I? Yeah, I just thought that was a nice humble brag.

Have I been taking care of you? 100%. Okay. I'm brag about it. Back to the show Peyton and I started well a couple things that's going on Peyton I have this really bad habit right now where we are literally staying up until 2 a.m. We haven't done this since we were First got married. We were like 21 years old. I don't know what's going on. Don't know what's happening, but we've been staying up until 2 a.m. That's too late for us. We usually go about like 10 part of the reason is

nighttime is like I've become a routine for us we usually go about it like 10. Part of the reason is night time is like a become a routine for us where 11 o'clock Payton starts coloring and then I turn on this new tv show we've been watching called Landman. I didn't even know what it was called. Yeah it's called Landman. It's good. So I started watching it by myself and then I've learned over the years that what I do is I take my headphones off, I turn the computer a little bit towards Payton and I watch the show and I put the volume on so she can hear it.

And then I can tell if she's interested in the show or not. Cause Payton won't just sit down with me and watch a TV show. I have to trick her in the watch the TV show. The idea of starting a new show really seems aggressive and overbearing to me I get that so now Garrett just doesn't even ask he just slowly I just slowly play it I slowly gaslight her into liking the show

I would prefer it that way because then the stress of starting a new show isn't on my shoulders and She likes this one. We both like it if you haven't seen the land man. It's on Amazon Prime. It's not a sponsor We just we like the show and it's been really good. It's not a sponsor. We just, we like the show. It's been really good. So every night we watch an episode or two, the last few nights. It's been fun. Been having a good time.

Pain's been coloring. We'll stay up until 2 a.m. And then we'll go to bed. Great show. We love it. Go check it out if you want. Yeah. That's what I got for my 10 seconds.

That's what's happening in our life. You got anything else, babe? This is, oh my gosh. I already know what all the comp. You YouTubers and podcasters, sorry, podcast listeners that don't enjoy our intros, you can skip, skip, skip a little bit, just so you know. Ain't no shame in the skip game. You can skip the first little bit if you want

instead of complaining about it. And I know you're you're like geez Garrett doesn't know what ten seconds is But let me remind you no man on earth knows what ten seconds is also that was messed up also This is evolved At the beginning of our at the beginning of the podcast. It was like ten seconds Yeah, and now Payton and I just were having fun. Yapping. Yapping. Let's get into this week's case.

Our sources for this episode are The Cinemaholic, Columbia Tribune, Como.com, FreeCharlesErickson.org, KMBC.com, EntertainmentNow.com, Casetext.com, ColombianMisurian.com, ColombianHeartbeat.com, New York Post, Change.org, ABCNews.go.com, case text.com, Colombian Missourian.com, Colombian heartbeat.com, New York Post, change.org, abcnews.co.com, and CBS News. Okay, so as we've done this show over the years, kind of crazy to say, there is one thing that has definitely come to my mind, the forefront of my mind more than when I used to not do a true crime show. And that is being wrongly accused of murder

and all that that entails. Getting confused for the suspect, being in the wrong place at the wrong time, finding yourself in circumstances where you just look like the most obvious answer, maybe even when you aren't. But I know what you're thinking. That's what evidence is for.

We have a lot of highly advanced ways of knowing whether or not someone's guilty. And I wish I could say, yeah, that's like a foolproof solution, right? That calms my nerves. But after hearing today's story, I realized, no, it's still a fallible system. Anyone could find themselves sitting in a courtroom,

being convicted for a murder that they might not have done and honestly it could be of someone They've never even met or heard of in their life without a shred of evidence It actually happens and today I'm gonna tell you a story where that was the case. All right So it's 2001 in the city of Columbia, Missouri This is about halfway between St. Louis and Kansas City. This is where 48 year old Kent William Heitholt calls home. Kent is sort of everything you picture when you imagine a family man.

He's a teddy bear of a guy at six foot three, around 300 pounds with a beard and glasses. He went to the University of Missouri back in the 70s to study journalism. And that's where he met his wife, Deborah. And eventually they had two children, Callie and Vince. And with his passion for sports, Kent found work as a sports journalist

and had been at a few different publications over the years. But then in 1996, Kent found where he belonged at a fairly large paper called the Columbia Daily Tribune. Now, Kent didn't just cover the big local games. He took a big interest in some of the smaller overlooked teams in the area too. He gave them their moment in the spotlight. It was something that Kent was really admired for. In fact, he loved an underdog even

outside the sports world. Those who worked with Kent said he was always willing to mentor or give someone with no experience a chance to really shine, especially when he climbed the ranks to Sports editor. So Kent, who actually earned the nickname, Heidi from his colleagues, was not only well-respected and great at his job, he was said to be very easygoing, good-natured, a father figure both outside and inside the office, which is why the events after Halloween night in 2001

came as such a shock to everyone who knew him. So that evening, October 31st 2001, many of the sports staff writers were working late getting ready for the upcoming basketball season. Kent was among them working well past midnight into November 1st, but he knew he was on a clock at 2 a.m. every night the office computer systems actually shut down. So Kent and some members of his team that Halloween night worked right up until the clock struck 2 and then called it a night. Kent packed up his things and went outside to his car. He stopped for a minute to speak with another part-time staff writer who was also getting

ready to drive off and call it a night. It was a younger man that Kent had been mentoring named Mike Boyd. So after a quick, forgettable chat, Mike said goodbye to Kent and drove off for the evening. But a few minutes later, two custodial workers named Shana Ornt and Jerry Trump were outside the building having a cigarette when they saw Kent's car still in the parking lot. Obviously, this is weird because people have already left for the night. He should be long gone. But the other thing that they thought was weird was Kent's driver's side door was open.

Shana decides to take a few steps closer to Kent's car to get a better look. And that's when she sees two shadowy figures seemingly peek up from behind the car. Okay. Now they see each other, Shawna, the custodial worker and these two people. So one of them bolts off and the other one stops and spoke to her.

Shawna said they looked her right in the eyes and said, quote, somebody's hurt. And that's when she and Jerry saw Kent lying on the ground next to his car and he was dead. He appeared to have been hit in the head and strangled with his own belt. So in the time he had the conversation with his coworker. What the freak, okay.

And then now he's hurt. She's seen two people behind the car. One takes off, one says, hey, somebody's hurt. And at 2.26 AM, these custodial workers are dialing 911. So when police arrived, they found there was actually a decent amount of evidence left behind at the scene. For starters, the attacker was so aggressive, they actually snapped Kent's belt and left the buckle along with a small piece of leather behind. There was also a series of bloody shoe prints heading away from the crime scene and plenty of fingerprints on Kent's car door.

Oh. So police have to wonder, is this a robbery? I mean, it's 2 a.m. Or was there a more personal motive behind this? Because the scene is sort of confusing, okay? Kent's watch and the keys to his car are missing, but obviously his car is still there, but his wallet is still sitting inside his open door vehicle.

Here's the other thing though. If this was a robbery, why would you rob a six foot three, 300 pound guy like Kent? He does not seem like a very easy target. Luckily for detectives, they have two really strong witnesses who actually seem to have interacted

with one of the suspects. And Shauna says she got a pretty good look at one of the guys, the one who stopped and talked to her. So she sits down with a sketch artist. She says the guy was white, muscular, average height with blonde hair, early 20s maybe. Police release this sketch and nothing comes of it at all. And I'm sad to say that Kent, this family man, this man who was highly adored in his life and community, his murder goes cold for years. Which is interesting because you said

they had a good amount of evidence, right? They had fingerprints. Yep, but police don't do anything. There's no arrests, there's no suspects named. Four years, nothing comes of it. Okay, I'm curious to see if this, actually no, because the way you explained at the beginning doesn't seem like it's going to lead to this. But I figured, Oh, maybe it just took years because then

they finally matched DNA. And then, you know, you're smiling at me. No, keep going. Because of all the new DNA technology and relatives and so on and so forth. Right. Well, for what it's worth, the Columbia Police Department does keep interviewing other people who saw Kent that day. They put together his last day, basically. They interview other writers who are at the office, including Mike Boyd, who was the person who saw him just before he drove away that night. But those two witness statements from the custodial workers, well, the police just can't move past them because as far as they're concerned they believe that these two college-aged guys who were hiding behind the car and then

essentially just ran off are probably the suspects they are looking for. Problem is no one can identify them until 2003 when someone sees the sketch. Okay, so two years later and thinks, wait a second, is that me? So on New Year's Eve, 2003, there's a party in Columbia, just miles away from where Kent was killed two years prior. It's a bunch of college-aged kids. Many of them are friends from high school

looking to celebrate together over the break. And amongst them are 19-year-old Ryan Ferguson and 19-year-old Charles Erickson. All right, you guys, if you know anything about me, it's that I love to play games on my phone. You know what I have been hooked on lately? June's Journey. It is this hidden object mystery game set in the 1920s

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the night that Kent died back in 2001, that was Halloween. Recently though, Charles has been thinking a lot about that Halloween night, particularly because he had seen a sketch of the suspects in that case a few months earlier. And ever since then, he'd been having these weird dreams. They're more like flashbacks, maybe even memories. But Charles says that he sees the sketch

and then starts having dreams that him and his friend Ryan killed Kent that night. Oh, what is going on right now? And the reason this happens is he's pretty sure the person in that sketch, the main suspect in this case is him. So this has been eating away at Charles so much over the last few months that he actually approaches Ryan

about it at the party. Okay. He goes, look, back in 2001, this guy died. Okay. We were partying just a few blocks away from where the murder happened. And he said, I did a lot of cocaine. I drank a lot of alcohol that night.

And he says, I have no memory. I'm pretty sure I blacked out that night. And he looks at Ryan and he says dude. Did we do it? Like did we kill someone? No way. And Ryan's like Maybe I guess. Dude, no way. It's impossible. I drove you home that night.

Ryan just laughs the entire thing off and he goes into 2004 with practically zero thoughts about it. But Charles, he can't shake it. In fact, he goes to two other friends and says, hey, can I get your advice? However, those two friends take it a little more seriously than Ryan does. I mean, you have to think if a friend comes up to you and goes, hey, I might've committed a murder when I was blacked out back in 2001

and this sketch looks exactly like me. So one of the friends goes to the police after seeing how guilty Charles was acting. And then on March 10th, 2004, police show up to Mowarly area community college with an arrest warrant for Charles. Holy crap, this is going to get wild. And here's what you have to take into consideration. This case has had zero movement really since the day it happened two years ago. So police are probably getting a little desperate to find someone to blame, at least to give some sense of closure

to his family. And here's someone that was basically just served up to them on a silver platter. They basically did their jobs for them. So when Charles finally sits before police, he opens the flood gates. He tells them everything that he thinks happened back on the night of October 31st to November 1st. Here's what he says. That evening him Charles, a 17 year old high school senior at the time was partying at a friend's house in Columbia. But when police broke up the party, he and his friend Ryan Ferguson, who was just arriving

at the busted party, decided to go meet Ryan Ferguson, who was just arriving at the busted party, decided to go meet up with Ryan's older sister and keep the night going. Now she was out at a bar in downtown Columbia called By George's. Now By George's was only a few blocks away from Kent's offices. In order to get into the bar though, Ryan's sister took two of her friends IDs and let Charles and Ryan use them to get into the bar with her. And apparently it worked. But here's where things get weird

about Charles story of that night. Remember how he told Ryan a couple months earlier that he blacked out that night so he doesn't remember if they did it or not. He just has this feeling that maybe they did. Once he gets in front of police, they somehow get a full length story out of him, okay? What?

Somehow the missing pieces of that night come together suddenly. Now he says, we stayed for a few hours, we had plenty of drinks, but around 1 a.m., the two of them decided to leave, these two 17 yearyear-olds. When Ryan's sister refused to give them cash to keep the party going, Charles says that Ryan proposed robbing somebody. So they grabbed a tire iron from Ryan's trunk

and began walking around town, looking for someone to jump in the early morning hours. Why? Why? They wanted money to keep partying. Okay. So they eventually found themselves in the early morning hours. Why? Why? They wanted money to keep partying. Okay. So they eventually found themselves in the Columbia Tribune parking lot,

just as Kent Heitholt was leaving the building. Charles said once he was alone, they ran up to him. Charles hit him in the head repeatedly with the tire iron while Ryan stole his watch and car keys. Holy crap. Charles says then Ryan removed Kent's belt and strangled him. Okay, so this is a full confession.

You have to wonder, did Charles really just remember all of this? Like with the detective's help suddenly? Or were the police in this interview leading him to believe that that's what happened? He came in and said, I don't know, maybe we did, I was blacked out and suddenly this is the confession that they get on tape.

Because it takes them a really long time to get this cohesive story out of him. In fact, the first few times they question him, there's a lot that he gets wrong about the actual crime. Okay, so they're like, well, if you're the one that committed it, you would know things. And he really gets things wrong. For example, I mean, I guess they were in 2004 or whatever, but

the amount of people like this not gonna ask for an attorney. You didn't know. And also he's, I mean, he's youngish and also just sitting there, he's worried that he might have done it because he saw this sketch. Yeah. And I mean, when you've sat in a police interrogation where you feel like you have no rights and- Yeah, especially if you don't know, you're not educated at that point, it is hard. I think it's a little bit more common knowledge now

that like, hey, you actually don't have to talk to police without an attorney. So get this, this is how these interrogations are going. They're like, okay, in the in the first couple, they're like, okay, Charles, if you if one of you strangled Kent, what did you strangle him with? Because obviously, the police know it was the belt, but that wasn't released to the public, right? So he says, um, a shirt. And then police are like, a

shirt? Are you sure it was a shirt? And he's like, uh, no, maybe it was a bungee cord. Okay. Charles, when he comes in originally has no idea that Kent was strangled with a belt. And when asked if he had any blood on his clothes or any injuries the following day, Charles is like, no, there was nothing weird the next day. At one point in interrogation, Charles literally says, quote, it's so foggy. I could be fabricating all of this. But if you asked Ryan Ferguson, he would say Charles was making this entire thing up. And yet Ryan is also arrested immediately after Charles gives this I mean honestly seemingly coerced confession because how does his story

change multiple times until finally it matches the correct one and Ryan's story is completely different so according to Ryan he's like no I wasn't even drunk that night he said he had a couple drinks but he was clear-headed he claims no he was right we were at the bar but we left around 1 15 wasn't even drunk that night. He said he had a couple drinks, but he was clear headed. He claims, no, he was right. We were at the bar, but we left around 1 15 a.m. that night. And I drove Charles home and then I went home and I went to bed, end of story. We did not rob someone. We did not try to find cash to keep the party.

So he remembers a lot more obviously than- Ryan? Than Ryan, yes. Yeah, cause he's saying, no, I wasn't even drunk. He says there was no wandering around town, there was definitely no murder. He insists, quote, I have absolutely nothing to do with this murder.

I wasn't even anywhere near that crime scene. But police don't seem to care. They also don't seem to care that none of the evidence can be conclusively tied back to Ryan or Charles. Neither of their fingerprints are found on the vehicle. There was not a random hair of theirs at the crime scene. There was no bloody prints of theirs. The only thing that remotely fits, the only thing that really ties these boys

to the crime scene is Shawna Ortt's description of two white college aged boys. of two white college-aged boys. And still, both Ryan Ferguson and Charles Erickson are charged with murder, primarily based on Charles' seemingly coerced confession. So they just didn't, yeah, so they didn't believe him. They didn't believe Ryan, no. Yeah, so I wonder how that works because- I don't understand how Charles can be like,

honestly, I blacked out and I could be making all of this up. I just saw that sketch and it freaked me out and the police are like, yep, you guys did it. How does Charles not look at Ryan and be like, Oh, I believe you, you were with me that night. You know, that's also kind of, okay. Well, it gives you not as Charles not freaking out at this point and going, Oh, I killed someone totally could be. You also have, I killed someone. Totally could be. You also have to take into consideration that there could be underlying problems here of like- Mental health, like maybe he has OCD.

OCD or something that is causing him extreme guilt that he like can't make sense of in his head. But he might not, you know, like there's just so many things that could make people react differently in this situation. That's wild. That we have no idea. You know what I mean? Yeah, like if I stole a cookie, I would never look back Well stealing a cookie and murdering someone Yeah, but the only reason I say that is because I personally am very close to someone who has guilt-based OCD and if they saw a sketch that looked like them and knew that they were somewhere near that there's a very high chance that

They would convince themselves. They did it. Yeah, if I saw a sketch that looked like me I'd be like What thought so we just don't know I can't cuz so we just don't know like why? Charles is doing this but there could be Innocent explanations for it. You know what I mean, especially because he knows no details of the crime He knew nothing when he went in to confess. He just said, hey, this looks like me. It's crazy. He went in to confess something that he didn't,

we assume he didn't do. So Charles actually takes a plea deal for second degree murder because what are they gonna do? I mean, they're gonna have to get his confession thrown out and that's gonna be hard in 2003. So he takes a plea deal. He gets a 25 year sentence.

But part of that deal is that he has to testify against Ryan Ferguson during his trial because Ryan is definitely not pleading guilty. Now Charles says some pretty wild stuff on this stand. First he says, I did this, he did this, we did this, I did not dream anything, I did not make anything up. And that he couldn't care less about what happens to Ryan because he knows they're both guilty and he thinks this is the right thing to do. And then he goes on to basically act out the

events of that night in front of the jury, how he hit Kent with the tire iron. And then he shows how Ryan had pinned down Kent with his foot and strangled him with the belt. So when someone is admitting to something with that much conviction, like acting out a crime, it can be pretty convincing. So this is not great for Ryan Ferguson because he's on trial and someone's saying,

no, we did this together and this is exactly how it happened. I don't know what I would do in that position. Could you imagine you're like, no, we didn't murder someone and your friend's like, yes, we did. You're like, dude, no, we didn't. And your friend's like, yeah, we did. This is what happened. You're just sitting there like, what are you supposed to do?

You're fighting for your life. And you can't blame the jury because, I mean, unless you're being told hey this co-ed this confession might have been coerced which we know happens all the time or hey you know there could be underlying issues or hey there was absolutely no physical evidence tying them to this crime even though there is evidence at the crime scene if someone comes forward and says hey he did this that would be really hard to not believe.

I always thought about people who get convicted and they're innocent. That's got to be one of the weirdest and most suffocating possible feelings you could feel because you're just, you're suffocated, you're helpless, you can't do anything. You're just like, okay. Yeah. Okay. I mean, and Charles isn't the only witness at that trial. Remember you have the custodian.

So Jerry Trump testifies. And he claims that while he was serving time on another unrelated charge, his wife sent him an updated news article of the crime. And that article included mug shots of Charles and Ryan. And Jerry said, once he saw those photos, he immediately knew he was looking at the same guys he saw in the parking lot that night.

So now you also have an eyewitness saying, no, I saw these boys in the parking lot that night. And he tells the jury this, okay? But like I was saying earlier, what the jury did not get to hear was any evidence pointing to Ryan Ferguson or Charles Erickson. Okay. All they have is eyewitness evidence. That's it. And even though the defense argues, hey, none of the hair that was found, none of the blood, none of the fingerprints match Ryan Ferguson's or Charles for that matter,

it didn't seem to matter. Apparently they even did a sweep of the car that Ryan was driving that night They found no signs of blood in that vehicle. Holy crap. So we nothing there's zero zero Yeah substantial. It's all What's the word? Circumstantial it all is circumstantial But the testimony of Jerry Trump and Charles Erickson was all they needed to sway the jury Five hours after the jury was sent to deliberate they returned with a verdict Guilty of robbery and murder in the second degree. What this is this is crazy. Okay get this so shortly after this

21 year old Ryan a College student who has his whole life ahead of him, is sentenced to 40 years in prison. Wait, how mad would you be at your friend? And I know you're mad at the justice system, but I'm going to be honest, just as- It's Charles's fault. As a human, as a person, I'd be like, Charles, what are you- But also is Charles a victim in this scenario as well?

For sure. You know what I mean? For sure. No, he is a victim in this scenario, but also like bro. How do you make sense of that in your head? Like bro, I don't know. I know people are probably gonna disagree with me on that. I'm not saying it's all Charles' fault, but that's just like, it would never have.

No, listen loud and clear. Charles can 100% be a victim and Ryan can also hold animosity towards Charles for getting them in this situation. You know what I mean? Both can ring true. It's kind of like, I think an example, I'm not gonna say it, let's just keep going.

Okay, so for the next four years, Ryan sits in prison wondering how the F did he even end up here? Wondering if anyone would ever believe him. He reaches out to a few advocacy groups hoping they'll take on his case. And he even asks Charles to be part of that as well. He says he wanted to help get Charles released too.

He believes that Charles was manipulated and used to close a case that was growing cold. How does Charles not see it right now? Ryan's like, hey, I'm pretty sure Charles was low hanging fruit. There's gotta be some mental health things with Charles because how does he not see it at all? Well, here's the thing.

Charles does have a history of drug abuse. So that is also playing into as well. And Ryan brings this up to people. They're like, he tells these advocacy groups, Charles was used, Charles was manipulated, and I in turn have also taken the fall. Which, like I said, I mean, it is pretty admirable because he could be really, really angry with Charles.

Maybe he just thinks this is the only way to get it out is to throw Charles's confession out. But once people start hearing about this case, they want to do something about it. So in 2009, a high profile attorney named Kathleen Zellner says she's gonna take Ryan's case on pro bono. And then shockingly, weeks later, Ryan gets a letter in the mail and it's from Charles Erickson.

And it says, Ryan, have your lawyers come speak to me the next time they're down there. So Kathleen booked a trip right away when she hears about this and when she gets there, Charles has a whole written statement that he's prepared to share with her. And you know what he says? That things happened differently from what he said in court. So he's recanting his testimony. He claims, I was the only person who attacked Kent that night

and Ryan was just a witness. He says he didn't warn or tell Ryan what he was gonna do and that Ryan was not complicit in the matter. In fact, he says Ryan even tried to stop him and he didn't listen. So he's telling Ryan's attorneys that he made up Ryan's involvement to try to save himself a little bit of jail time. Now when Kathleen brings this back to Ryan she

sees this as great news. I mean this is terms for a new trial. Your star witness in his case is admitting to perjury. But Ryan knows and tells his attorney, this still isn't the truth. He says, I wasn't there that night. I wasn't even a witness. I did not see Charles kill anyone. And Ryan really feels like Charles wasn't there either. But the constant changing of the stories

is confusing to Ryan's new lawyer, Kathleen, because she's like, why would this guy just dig himself deeper? If he would have stuck with his original statement, he could have found himself out on parole just in the next few years. But now he's admitting to lying under oath and he's likely gonna serve his entire sentence.

And he's still not telling the story that Ryan's telling. Maybe he felt sorry for Ryan. Maybe he thought if he did this, he could help Ryan get released. And in a way it does. So confusing. In August 2010, Kathleen files Ryan's case within appellate court. But aside from proving that Charles lied to the jury back in 2005, there's a whole other

piece of the puzzle she believes needs to be reexamined. And that's that the entire motive for this crime was robbery. She said, this feels ridiculous for starters, who kills someone over a watch and a set of keys to a car that they're gonna leave behind? And if they were out for cash, Ken's wallet was sitting right there in the car, in the open vehicle.

Why didn't these boys take the cash if that's what they were even killing someone for? None of it made sense to her. Which was why Kathleen hired a forensic pathologist to take another look at the autopsy. And what they find is the blunt force injuries can't sustain to the head were not done by a tire iron, which is Charles's whole story. No way. It left skull fractures that fit the shape of a two-pronged tool like the other side of a hammer. Okay. So by 2012, Kathleen is ready to present

these new testimonies and evidence to the judge for an appeal. But before she does, she adds one other statement to the pile. Because the custodian, Jerry Trump, she reaches out to him. He also testified. It was basically him and Charles

that put Ryan away. She now learns that Jerry also wants to recant his witness statement. He says it wasn't his wife who sent him the newspaper with Ryan and Charles' mugshot, it was the prosecutor on the case. Oh wait, that's like extremely illegal. So Jerry said the truth was what he had originally told the police that he really didn't even get a good enough look at either men in the parking lot to identify just off of that it should be acquitted.

Okay, so this prosecutor the original prosecutor his name is Kevin crane. Okay. So according to Jerry when Kevin crane showed him their pictures he told Jerry who remember was in jail on a separate offense at the time, that it would be very helpful if Jerry could remember that these were the boys that he saw in the parking lot that night. Jerry said, I just wanted to do what he thought was the right thing and maybe get out of jail earlier. So he sided with the prosecutor. Holy crap, that pisses me off. But Jerry now tells

Ryan's new lawyer ever since the trial has been eating away at him because he's like I testified that these were the guys and I have no idea that these were the guys. However this wasn't the only time Kevin Crane's name came up in Kathleen the new lawyers research. Turns out Charles had a similar experience with the prosecutor. In a pre-hearing before the trial, Charles told Kevin Crane, hey, I know like I've already confessed and stuff, but again, I was so intoxicated on the night that I really don't even remember if we did this murder or not. So basically he goes back to his original story of like, I just saw the mug shot

and now I believe we did it because of what the cops have told me. But Kevin pressures him into implicating Ryan to save himself. So it's the prosecutors I did to Charles to throw Ryan under the bus. Even Shawna Ornt, the other janitor who spoke to one of the assailants that night, had an issue with Kevin Crane. She told him flat out, no, it wasn't Ryan or Charles that I spoke to that night. So that's why she doesn't testify at trial. And while Kevin tried to pressure her to change her story, even becoming threatening at one point, Shawna refused to give in. And obviously she doesn't testify because her answer doesn't match the narrative they were trying to play out.

So Kathleen's now putting out this, this, um, option that, hey, maybe those boys that were by the car that night that said, hey, someone's hurt, maybe they weren't even involved in the murder, which is why Kathleen is certain. I'm pretty sure the killer is still out there and it's not Ryan or Charles because the crime just seems oddly personal. She doesn't believe it was a robbery. She thinks someone had it out for Kent. And it seemed like this was more than enough

to convince the appellate court that Ryan Ferguson was innocent, because on November 12th, 2013, Ryan was released after being in prison for close to a decade. I feel like Kevin should have to serve all the time that Ryan served. The prosecutor. Yeah.

I feel like, look, if it was your fault that they're in prison and they didn't do it, sorry, bud, you're going in prison for 12 years. Next time, don't do that. I mean, there was of course no way that Ryan was gonna get the last 10 years of his life back, which is why he filed and eventually won an $11 million civil rights case.

All right, decent, nice. Not enough to serve 10 years in prison. No, no, no, no. And when asked if Ryan had come up with any theories on who killed Kent, they're like, okay, well you obviously know this case inside and out as you've been trying to get out of prison. He offered up one name that might have seemed

to be overlooked on the suspect list. The last person to see Kent that night, Kent's colleague and mentee, Mike Boyd. Kevin's, like the prosecutor? No, no, Kent. Sorry, Kent. Okay, misunderstood, got it. So if you remember, Kent talked to him.

They both left work that morning. Kent talked to him. He was the last person to see him and left, okay? Mike was a name that came up a lot during Ryan's appeals process. To Kathleen and the rest of Ryan's legal team, he seemed to fit the bill a lot more than Ryan or Charles ever had.

Plus, Kathleen argued he had never been fully investigated or eliminated off the police's suspect list. No one checked his car. No one asked for the clothes he was wearing that night. I don't think they ever even collected DNA samples from Mike to run against

what they had found at the crime scene. But here's what Kathleen found during her own investigation. The forensic pathologist she hired said the entire struggle between Kent and his attacker probably lasted six to eight minutes. Now, Mike claimed to say goodbye to Kent in the parking lot at 2 20 a.m. That is six minutes before the custodial janitors called 911, six minutes, even more worrisome. Mike's story about the night of the murder changed a lot down to the color of the car he was driving that night. Some said blue, some said red. And according to Shana Ornt,

Mike may have even had a motive because Shana said Mike often spoke to her about the tension between him and Kent. Apparently Kent was criticizing Mike's work and he felt disrespected by Kent, even though he idolized him. This wasn't just once or twice. Shawna said Mike spoke to her about it daily.

But from other people who worked with Kent, it didn't seem like he was picking on Mike. He was just his boss. He expected the most from his employees. So it makes sense. He would be hard on those he's mentoring, but maybe for someone with a fragile ego, Kent's criticisms were too far. However, I do have to say there were other people who worked with Kent and Mike that said they truly didn't think Mike was the guilty party. One colleague of theirs pointed out that Mike, who didn't have a college degree, was extremely grateful to Kent for the opportunity to work there. Others said they

only ever saw Kent being supportive of Mike and that Mike would never do anything to hurt Kent. For the record, there have never been any charges pressed against Mike Boyd and that's how it remains today. Okay, so even though his name is brought up. It's all alleged They're probably too scared to even try anything else because I got it wrong the first time. Yeah Not saying that just test the DNA. He didn't Guess that's true, too. I don't know. Maybe it's maybe not enough. I don't know Here's the thing though. If he was talking to him that night, he could easily explain away his yeah, like yeah Of course my fingerprints are on there. I was talking to him

night he could easily explain away his fingerprints. Yeah, like yeah of course my fingerprints are on there I was talking to him. So as for Charles Erickson though once Ryan was released from prison Charles began working on his own appeals he filed in December 2018 but was denied because he confessed to the crime. In June 2020 however he filed for a rehearing and this time it was granted and after 18 years in prison Charles was finally released in January of 2023. 18 years. Two boys, two 20 year olds. 18 years. Just their life completely changed

because Charles recognized himself in that sketch. Oh, I feel bad for him though, cause you know he's thinking the same thing now if I just didn't say anything. And that's somewhere you just mentally would be really hard to be. A victim of the system right there. That's really hard Aside from the mystery of who killed Kent there was still one giant question mark Why on earth would you confess to a murder that you did not commit? Yeah. Well if you ask Charles Erickson today

He says there's a few reasons Drugs being a big part of it He says there's a few reasons. Drugs being a big part of it. Apparently Charles had been battling with addictions since the age of 14 and blackout states were familiar to him and he often would wake up the next day not knowing what happened the night before and it kind of messed with his head a little bit.

But at the time of Kent's death, Charles said, I was honestly in the worst shape of my entire life. Shortly after that Halloween night, Charles was sent away for psychological testing where a doctor learned he was suffering from major gaps in his memory. So that, compounded with guilt of his addiction and the pain of it, and then seeing that

and recognizing him, Charles kind of saw the confession as a way to right his wrongs, in a way. It didn't seem like the detectives on the case did much to help Charles. He believed that they fed him information, obviously, to plug the holes for him, which leads to brainwashing and coerced confessions, something Charles believes now that he was a victim of.

Unfortunately, it did nothing in the way of providing answers for Kent's family. And to this day, his case is still open, and the investigation continues. he was a victim of. Unfortunately, it did nothing in the way of providing answers for Kent's family. And to this day, his case is still open and the investigation continues. But Ryan says there's one big takeaway from all of this. He says, quote, to get charged with a crime you didn't commit is incredibly easy.

And to get out of prison for it takes an army. Yeah. Which is something that's definitely going to cost me and others sleep at night. And that is a devastating case of Kent Heidholt, whose murder is still unsolved, and Ryan and Charles, who somehow got wrapped up in it and had nothing to do with it. It's sad because yeah, we have a bunch of victims, right? We have Ryan and Charles, and then we also have Kent, who was actually killed. And then you have Ryan and Charles and then we also have Kent who was actually killed And they have Ryan and Charles who lost years and years of their lives and then Kent's family who went through okay? They boys confessed. Oh wait, you're telling me they didn't do it. Okay, the case is back open. Okay, maybe Kent's dead

Like he can't come back. They're just getting put through the ringer like this case is horrible and we still just have no idea Yeah, extremely devastating. Yeah. Alright you guys, that is our episode and we will see you next time with another one. I love it. And I hate it. Goodbye.