Murder With My Husband - 40. The Piketon Massacre - Rhoden Family Murders

Episode Date: December 14, 2020

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We actually have selected our winner. Don't worry. It was completely random generated. We didn't do it. And we will have that up and on Instagram for you guys as this drops. Okay, Garrett, what are your 10 seconds for this week's episode? Well, Peyton and I went snowboarding this weekend and it was Peyton's first time. And it was just kidding. It was actually really good. I did just fall kind of a lot, but it was really good.

She did really good. You really did good. I actually only felt hard really once off the little ski lift thing and it was really embarrassing. Yeah, I thought bad because the other times I was holding her, she was getting off and the one time I didn't, she went boom, yeah, you can imagine. But it was really fun. Yep. That was a good 10 seconds. Thank you.

Okay, let's get into today's murder. It is really complex and you know, it has a lot of characters involved and I know sometimes people get lost in this. So I would highly suggest visiting one of our social media channels to view the image with all of the names written out so you don't get lost during the story. It will be like a tree of how everyone's connected and kind of like our pizza bomber case. It's just a lot easier once you've actually seen the image to then follow along with us. So I would suggest doing that as we get into the story. Our case sources for this story are the Piked and Family

Murders on Amazon Prime. It's like a documentary. And then actually a podcast called The Piked and Massacre, which is made by the same people who made the documentary. And I don't typically use other podcasts as sources just to kind of, you know, stay away. Let everyone be original. Let everyone have their content. But because these were made by the same people, I figured that the details would be fairly similar. So that's why I used it. It's 7.53 a.m. on Friday, April 22, 2016, when Bobby Joe Manley discovers the body of her brother-in-law, Chris Rodin Sr., and his cousin Gary Rodin, shot to death in one of the several mobile homes owned by the Rodin family on this piece of property. Essentially, we are in a town, Pijkton,

where the whole Rodin family cousins in- laws all live in the same community. And this isn't very uncommon for the area. Generations of other families have also stayed there, stayed close to each other in a way where once you leave home you don't actually go on and like create your own life. You just stay around, you see family every day and that's your life. They're just because it's a small town. Yes. The roots run deep here.

It doesn't really matter if you have a promising future there or not, like you stay there and that's where you live your life. So the whole entire road and family basically lives in Pikedin. It's a small sleepy town in Ohio with a population around the time of only 2100 people. And this is in 2016. So it's not like we're like clear back then, you know? The girl who just found her ex brother-in-law, Chris Rodin, and his cousin, after letting herself

into their trailer home with a key and finding them, runs to an adjacent trailer home on the road and property with more family members in it. So like I said, it's not only that they all live in the town as if they all live within miles of each other. So she runs across to another family members house for help. She knocks, but is shocked when the little boy of the family answers the door. He is completely covered in blood. And he tells Bobby Joe that his daddy is in the other room playing zombie. He had been watching the walking dead with his family at the time, and so this is what

it looked like to him. She storms into the home and is completely taken aback when she discovers that Frankie wrote in his dad and his fiance Hannah Gilly had also been shot dead in the mobile home as well. Okay, so wait a second. I'm just trying to clarify all the family members because I don't want it to get too confusing. No, totally.

So don't get lost. Not everyone is blood related. Okay. So this is going to be like extended family members. So Bobby Joe goes to a trailer actually to let some dogs out of the trailer. She goes in and finds her brother-in-law, Chris Rodin, and his cousin, Gary, dead. So Chris Rodin, and his cousin Gary dead.

So she doesn't, she doesn't really know Gary. I mean, she does, but it's not like they're blood related or anything. She's not even blood related to Chris. Yeah, so then she then runs. Yes. So the trailer, the next door, what are you going to call it? Who contains a Frankie who is Chris Rodin, the dead guy in the first trailer's son. Okay. Chris Rodin and Frankie Rodin, the dead guy in the first trailer's son. Okay. Chris Rodin and Frankie Rodin. Frankie Rodin is in the trailer with his fiance Hannah Gilly, and they are both dead. So anyway, so she goes to this trailer,

Frankie and his fiance are in the trailer dead, and the little boy says that his dad's playing zombies. The horrible part about this is that Hannah's six month old baby was alive also in the trailer with her brother and in bed with her dead parents. Horrified, Bobby Joe calls police. While waiting for the police to arrive, Bobby Joe calls her brother James Manley for help, and they're all just family friends.

He heads to another road and property in town, only to discover that Dana and Hannah Rodin, the occupants of the trailer, are also dead. And Dana is Chris, is wife, and Hannah is her daughter. This means that six members of the Rodin family had been violently murdered on April 22, 2016 in three separate mobile homes in Pikedin. Mom and dad are Chris and Dana Rodin, who were not in the same trailer, keep in mind. Their children, Frankie and Hannah Rodin, Frankie's fiance Hannah Gilly,

so there's two Hannah's, the fiance, and then the daughter Hannah, and Gary Rodin, their cousin, all the victims were adults. Okay. This is huge for this small town and completely devastating. Multiple scenes with multiple bodies and one family is not common in this small town. So it's like this extended family, but really it's this one immediate family. The mom and dad, the kids, and then like his wife and his cousin. Does that make sense? With all the

commotion of that morning, slowly people start realizing that there were members of the slaughtered rodent family that were not found in any of the homes and no one had heard from them. So once they draw connections that this was kind of from this immediate family, they start going, okay, well where is everyone from this immediate family? 16 year old Chris Rodin Jr. and his uncle Kenneth Rodin were missing. It's not long before police discover Chris Jr.'s body at his

home. His fate just like that the rest of his family. And seven hours later, another call comes into the Pijkton County Police Station from who appears to be Kenneth Rodin's cousin stating that after seeing all of the stuff on the news about the Rodin family, he decided to check in on Kenneth at his home and he had also been shot. This crime scene was different though. Kenneth's body was surrounded in dollar bills. So eight members of the Rodin family are all now murdered in the middle of the night at separate

locations in a town of 2100 people. So someone literally massacred this whole family going to house to house to house to house to do it in one night. So are they all living in the same trailer park? No, so it's like a couple of the trailers are close and then you drive a couple miles and there's a couple more trailers and then you drive a couple miles and there's a couple more. It's all along the same road. And they're all trailers?

None of them are. They're all mobile homes. Like single family homes. Nope. All mobile homes. Okay. Now you have to imagine what this is like for this small town. Could one person have done this?

Probably not. Which then means that there are multiple people in this town who are capable of this. The panic and fear sets in. It comes out that none of the little children in the family had been hurt. None of them killed, all left alive, all asleep while their family was getting slaughtered in other rooms. So all the adults and the 16 year old get slaughtered, but any of the ones who had kids are anything all of the kids stayed alive.

16 is so pretty young though. Still young. Yeah. Hannah Rodin, the adult daughter, had just had a baby four days before the murder. And when they found Hannah's body with her mom Dana and the four-day old baby was alive in the bed as well. With the two adults.

That's kind of weird. Very weird. Yeah. So 40-year-old Chris Sr., he's the dad. He had worked construction jobs, but when work was slow, he would buy cars and flip them. So all of these properties are those properties where the cars outnumbered everything else.

Like there's seven cars on the property. Does that make sense? Oh. Because they were constantly flipping them. Dana, his wife, was a 37-year-old nurse. After 13 years of marriage, they decided to separate, but stay close for their kids. Chris moved into a home with his cousin, 38 year old Gary, who they were found dead together, and ended up buying a mobile home

for his ex wife to stick around in. So they were like, we're going to get divorced, but we're all about family. So he's like, I'm gonna buy you a mobile home and you go live over there. And she, Dana, his wife was found with their daughter Hannah and the four day old baby. Oh, and while there's too many family members, I'm trying to keep organized, but it's getting crazy. And these are all just the same people

we've been talking about. I'm just giving you a little bit of background on them. So just down the road from them, lived Chris's brother Kenneth Rodin, who was the 44 year old, found with the dollar bills around him and All three of them were close and would do anything for anybody at any time like they were just really nice guys is what everyone says Their oldest child Frankie who was 20 loved being outdoors He was also found dead with his fiance Hannah

He loved to hunt and people say that the girls loved him in high school. He too loved cars and wanted to be in the local demolition derby, like that was a goal of his. You know what, like I instantly thought of? What? Footloose. Oh yeah.

Like they're in the demolition, or they're in the, you know, drive in the car as a round. That's funny. That's funny. So Hannah wrote in their 19 year old daughter was an amazing mom, and luckily the night of the murders, her two year old baby was with her father Jake Wagner.

So she had her four day old baby, in bed with her, but her two year old was with her father Jake. Okay. Although not married, Jake Wagner and Hannah Rodin, Jake was considered a part of the Rodin family, but his whole family also lived in Pikedin, just like this family, like extended family, everything, their daughter would spend time at each family.

Sixteen-year-old Chris was the baby of the family, and Hannah Gilly, Frankie's fiance, was a 20-year-old and also a mother. I'm really surprised that they were able to kill whoever did this. I know we're going to get into it, but that they were able to kill all these members without anything going wrong, right, without anyone screaming or anyone getting tackled or whatever it may be. You and everybody else. How did this person or people hit four locations, kill eight family members, and nobody knew a thing.

Especially because... In a small town. We haven't gotten into it, but I assume it was probably with a gun. Yes. And so, how did no one hear? Literally, this town is freaking out. Okay. This show is sponsored by BetterHelp.

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husband. So due to the extent of the murders eight family members for locations one night, the Pigton police department immediately call in for back and for backup and help. They're like, we are hand no, there's no way we're solving this. So police discover that most of the victims were shot multiple times. So not only were they just like shot once like you were saying victims were shot multiple times. So not only were they just like shot once, like you were saying, they were shot multiple times. Chris Sr., the dad, having been shot nine times. What?

And he was the only victim to also have been beaten. So the rest of the victims were shot, and I'm going to say this, they were not beaten because they were shot in their sleep. Chris was awake during his attack. So he was also beaten. Did you know what kind of gun he used? No. Oh. So it felt like a lot of hatred evidently during his murder, nine shots. He had defensive wounds on his forearms and his body had also

been moved and then positioned, but we don't know into what position. So I'm just going to preface this now. There is not a lot of information released on the, like the details of this case, which is why I don't know what gun it was. I just know it was a gun. Gary, his cousin, who was in the same home with Chris senior, had a muzzle burn against his head, which means he was shot point blank gun touching his head in his bed of sleep, which is like what the kind of kind of intense. Yeah. Like if you think about it, they touched the gun to his head while he was asleep and shot him, which is just a little bit different. I don't know. It feels different to me than just like shooting someone

from a couple feet away. I'm just still guns are loud. There's not something that's not quite thing. Guns are loud. So how did nobody hear this? Many theories are investigated for why this whole family was slaughtered. Possible like cock fights on the property. They had a couple cages. And so people were like, maybe there was like a feud over one of these. Maybe feuds in the demolition derbies that they were trying to get involved in, even all the way to a road rage incident that Chris Jr. the son had gotten at the 16 year old, had gotten in a couple weeks earlier, police got involved. But none of these really turn out for the multiple departments investigating this crime.

The attorney general comes forward a couple days later and tells the public that the road and family was growing marijuana on their property and like a lot of it not for personal use. And this is really like the only main detail that police kind of give and it's only a couple days after the murders. And so I kind of find this weird that they were just willing to give this evidence out but haven't really, really seen anything else.

So they immediately assume that maybe these deaths have something to do with the cartel or a drug deal gone bad or something. It makes the most sense with multiple houses, multiple hits, and a clean get up. How did nobody hear? How come nobody knew it was going on? This is weird because the rodent family gave no hints that they were making huge money off drugs. They drove average cars. They lived in average trailers. It didn't seem like they were rolling in it. Okay. Which if they were working with the cartel, they would be right. Did they find cash anywhere or large sums of money anywhere? Not that they released to us. Okay. There was one main problem with this theory, though, leaving the children and the grandchildren alive shows some type of moral compass, which the FBI

along with every police department that has looked into this case do not think a cartel would do. They think if a cartel came to slaughter this whole family to prove a point, they would have killed the children. Police decide to put the cartel theory away. They don't think a cartel would take the risk to come take out like a whole family one night like this huge operation for some competition that wasn't ginormous. You know what I mean? It's not like they were bigger than the cartel themselves. The rodent family had security and cameras as well as guard dogs on the properties. So whoever did this, not only shot and got away with it and didn't hear anything.

not only shot and got away with it and didn't hear anything, there were literal German shepherds outside of the house of the properties and security cameras on the properties. So how did they just like breeze by all this, as well? Not to mention that all the doors were most likely locked. Wait, so what did the security cameras get then? Don't know.

They haven't released anything on it. What? They just have told us that there was security cameras. This is like almost conspiracy theory. Uh-huh. This is so strange. So police decide whoever did it had a personal vendetta against this family. Like, obviously, they went to four different locations to slaughter the whole family.

The road and family definitely knew their killers police decide. So the police literally found the security footage. I'm assuming. And didn't. There's no details on it. No details. Nothing released. Okay.

Police turned back to Bobby Joe and her brother. Remember Bobby Joe is the non-blood related person who found them and her brother who she called for help who then found another one of the crime scenes. So they think it was family and they were the first ones on the scene, which obviously you're going to be a suspect if you're the first person to come upon a scene. Bobby Joens sis she had nothing to do with the murders, but agrees to take a lie detector test anyways. Now as we all know that's a big mistake, but lucky for her, she passed the test. Police question her brother James, or she passed the test. Police questioned her brother James, and he fails his polygraph test.

But police have nothing to hold him on, so they've let him go. Police then follow James Manley, they put a tracker on his truck, but remember how like the whole family loves cars? Well, so did this James Manley, who's not actually blood related to them, but he hangs out with them all the time.

So the car just probably sat in one spot and didn't move for a while? Well, so they put the tracker on his main truck that he drives. Okay. He like ends up working on the truck on Saturday and immediately finds the tracker underneath the truck.

And so he like pulls it off and throws it away. Obviously, he's like, this isn't belong. Like, I think if I found a tracker on my car, I wouldn't even know what it was. I think this belongs here and put it back. I wouldn't know what it was. So get this. Police come and arrest him for removing the tracker

that they put on his car. They charge him with tampering of evidence and vandalism. You can't do that, right? The charges are dropped. He doesn't actually do any time for it or anything. Days turn to years, and police literally still have no idea. Or at least we're not publicly sharing any information that they had on this case.

The town of Pijkton starts to wonder if they will ever find the killers and is another family in town going to be the next victims? Like they have no idea what this, like what brought on this massacre. If you were related to that family at all, you would be so freaked out.

Like what would you do? They went into hiding. So no one knew where the surviving kids were being held. And like the grandparents, so Dana and Chris, um, senior, the two parents, their, their parents were also in like, high, they go to like witness protection program or yeah, we don't know. We just know that they weren't like like no one really knew where they were. Okay. So they have no idea.

They have no idea what's going on years have passed and they have no idea. All of this changes went on May 12, 2017, multiple police units, servo warrants and search a pigtail farm that was recently sold by Billy and Angela Wagner. If the name Wagner rings a bell, it's because their son, Jake Wagner, is Chris and Donna Rodin's daughter's husband. So Chris and Rodin the two murdered. Also Hannah, the one who was murdered

with her four day old baby, her other two-year-old who was at her dad's house, is Jake Wagner. Oh, okay. So remember, like they share custody or whatever? So, it's her ex-husband. Well, they were never married. Okay. It's her baby daddy.

Okay. His parents' farm is searched in conjunction with this case. And this is weird because three different properties that the Wagner family owned are searched, and this is a big deal because the Wagner's are one if not the wealthiest family in Pijkton. Have they always been the wealthiest family? Yes, generation and generation back. So it's I assume it's what you said earlier about marijuana. So the Wagner family, including the grandmother owns a lot of land and a prestigious horse farm, the Wagner family has helped a lot of other families around town. They were known as being super giving.

So when this comes out, everyone's like, what? Wait, how did, how did they please not know this before? I mean, I'm not blaming them. I'm just curious like how did they not go, oh, Wagner family's always been wealthy. So they don't know that it's connected. If it is connected to marijuana and they have evidence, it hasn't been released to us. Oh, but it comes out. Police say Chris Rod Rodin and Billy Wagner who are the same age, both dads of families, the same generation have gone into some quote unquote business deals

together. That was what was released. And by business deals, everyone thinks it's marijuana because they would have nothing else to really do with each other. You've got like the super wealthy family that's well off. So the police really didn't know. Or if they do know, they haven't released that it's about marijuana. All they've said is business stills.

But they do confirm that the two dads of these families have gone in business together. Got it. So that's really the only connection besides their son Jake and their daughter Hannah having a baby together That's really the only other connection between these two families and police don't even say why they're searching All of this other Wagner families properties. They just search them and so everyone in town is like what the heck is going on You've got two prominent families generation after generation staying in this town One of them completely murdered the other one being searched for the murder. Do you think that the police haven't said anything because the FBI are involved

and or the like higher ups? Yeah, because of all the drugs and marijuana and so forth. I'm assuming that they're saving it for trial in hopes that like everything's a fair trial and nothing can be like discounted. You know what I'm saying? Because of too much media attention or whatever. That's what I'm hoping. It's either that or they actually don't have any evidence.

Okay. That's our only two options. So Hannah and Jake, the two, the kids that had the baby together had never been married, but they did have a serious relationship and then they broke it off but continued to co-parent their daughter together. Hannah and Jake had also continued to get together and then break up throughout the years, so their relationship had been rocky.

People say that Jake really loved her, so Jake Wagner loved Hannah Rodin who is now murdered, but Hannah wasn't really into it. She eventually started dating another man, broke up with him, and then dated another man, who she also broke it off with, all the while still figuring things out with Jake Wagner. And then she gets pregnant again. She does not know who the father is. She already has a baby with Jake the two year old,

but the new baby could have been any of the three men's babies. Okay. And she likes that she fully admits like, I don't know who the dad is. She tells Jake, it could be you, it could be this guy, the three men's babies. Okay. And she like, she fully admits like, I don't know who the dad is. She tells Jake, it could be you, it could be this guy, it could be this guy. Jake tells her, I don't care, I'll help you raise this baby.

I love you, we already have the two year old together, goes and buys a crib for the baby, the new baby that he doesn't even know if it's his. And Han eventually tells him, no, I don't wanna raise this baby with you, has the baby. Turns out, it's not his baby. Oh, wow. We learn that later. Okay.

So she has the baby right four days later is murdered with the baby in her bed. Yes. Even though police search the Wagner property, no arrest come of it. So everyone in town is confused. Like what's with the random search? What's with no one telling us anything? And you randomly search the Wagner's and then nothing right after the one year anniversary and after the one year anniversary

and after the searches of their property, the Wagner family throws even more suspicion on themselves when their whole family packs up and moves to Alaska. Keep in mind, generation after generation has stayed in Piketon, they are literally royalty in Piketon that like everybody knows who they are and they leave after their farms or search. And good ol' Alaska.

I have all places. Well, Grand, I want to visit Alaska. Let's be on that. But yes, so random. So the Wagner's tell media when media is like, why the heck are you doing this? That the police in Piked in were harassing them and after the search is they just had to get away. Which I could see, but it also feels like if they were escaping because they had done the murders and now they're under suspicion, why wait a year to get out a dodge? Like it just doesn't make sense, like a year later you're gonna flee. Why not flee right after the murder? A whole another year

goes by and yet another year with no arrest. Wagner's move, a whole year goes by nothing the case is just still. At what point do you just do stop? Do you just? I mean, yeah, I mean like so what happens with cases is they're just passed down from detective to detective. So detective gets this case. He gives what he has to give into it whether that's like a month or years, whatever it is he has to look into a case. And then when he retires, the case is passed on to another detective.

And then it's that detective's responsibility. But it has only been like three years. So I'm sure it's still the same detective who has the case. Just around another six months, a part of the Wagner family comes back to Pijkton, like the immediate Wagner family moves back to Pijkton after being in Alaska for a year. And quite suddenly, literally out of the blue, are arrested for the murders of the Rodin family. All eight of them. What in the world is going on? So Billy Wagner, the dad who is the same age as Chris Rodin, his wife Angela Wagner, who is 48, as well as their two sons, 26-year-old Jake Wagner, Hannah's ex-boyfriend and baby

daddy, as well as their other son George Wagner who's 27 years old. So four of a mom, dad, son, son are arrested for the murders of the rodent family. Okay. Although law enforcement will not come forward with any details or evidence, they seem sure about their arrest. Like they go on and do a press conference and we're like, we promise you we'd arrest someone for these murders and here we are. We've done it. And they're so confident, but we'll release no evidence on why they've arrested us. They're so confusing. When the indictment comes out, it explains that the Wagner's had used a lawnmower to make a silencer before the murder.

And it was like public knowledge. They had told people, so that's how the police found this information. Okay. When you say they used a lawn mower to make a silence, do you mean they got a lawn mower and started using it? No. Or do you mean they made a silence? In the middle of the night, they just go mo all the lawns

while they're doing it. That's where I was so confused. No, they used the parts. Okay, that makes so much worse. Don't ask me how. I'm not sure how. I had to clarify that in case any of the other listeners thought that a lawnmower was being used at midnight or whatever time it was.

Oh my God. To silence these murders. So it also comes out in diamond. They bought special shoes for the murder. Oh, I don't know what that means. This is all just what the police has released. Yes. And they bought a device that catches a gun shell when fired.

So it's not like, I don't know what that's called, but it's like when you find out the gun shell pops out and catches it instead of leaving it at the scene. They do all three of these things a couple days before the murder. And that's what is released in the indictment, which is literally no concrete evidence. Circumstantial at best, but that's what is released

for the arrest of these people. Just a couple days later, both Billy and Angela's mothers, so the grandparents, are also taken into custody and arrested. 76-year-old Fred Rico Wagner, who is adored by the community, literally, like is the grandmother of Pijkton, and Rita Newcom, who is 65, both arrested. Fred Rico Wagner is charged with lying to a grand jury and Rita is charged with forging custody documents between Jake and Hannah's little two-year-old that they shared. A lot of details emerge that Jake and Hannah were in a custody battle over their daughter

and Jake's family did not like Hannah. After she left Jake and got together and had a baby with another man but kept leading him on according to them. Could this really be enough motive for an eight person family slaughtering at four different locations? Yeah, it wasn't just Hannah that they killed. No, it was eight people. A custody battle over a two-year-old was a reason for an eight person family slaughter. That's what everyone's assuming because police haven't come out. Well, I'm actually really surprised that the police found the evidence that they did so far.

Yes. Right? The silencer, the device to catch a shells and so forth. I think all of that just came from like credit card statements and then other people. Yeah. So Jake did file for custody of the two-year-old immediately after the murder, maybe in hopes that like the grandparents wouldn't get her, but it's a little weird. Like lawyers have come out and said like that shouldn't have happened so fast, it takes a long time to get all those papers together, which means he was already getting the papers together before the murders,

which means he was going to try to get full custody of their daughter before she died. So he was planning everything, or get full custody of their daughter before she died. So he was planning everything. Or they were going to be going to be planning everything. But would he really need to kill the whole entire family to eliminate a custody battle with everyone? Because that's what it would be, right? Is I'm in this custody balance.

So just killing the mother. I'm going to kill every possible person who could get custody of my daughter. That would be the motive. Yeah. So each of the family members enters a not guilty plea. And the four who are charged of murder are held in prison while trial gets ready. They aren't released on bail. So it comes out later that James Manley,

which is the brother of Bobby Joe, who found everyone and they put the track around these bars. All these dudes are just trying to keep up with them. Go look at our picture because it has literally a family tree of both families and who everyone is and what they are. So it'll be so much easier to listen. But he's the one who found the tracker on his got it.

And then was charged, but the charge has got dropped. He had been texting Jake Wagner, who is Hannah Wagner's baby daddy the whole basically the whole motive for this family He had been texting Jake Wagner the night of the murder at 2 a.m. Which is when the murders were happening Oh, that's weird. So two sides of the families like both sides the the family that's murdered and the family that's convicted or charged with the murders texting the night of the murders at 2am when the murders are happening. Police don't tell us what the messages say.

Would he have gotten anything for his family dying? Like any type of big sum of money or something? I didn't even think of that. But it's not his blood family. I mean, they could have. They could have. He could have been in a will, but I don't think so. Okay.

I mean, and he did find some of the bodies after Bobby had called him, but we don't know what the message is. Why don't they tell us anything? Why don't they tell us anything? I just think they're saving it. Dang. So anyways, the four, like I said, who are charged of murder are being held in prison literally right now.

Wow, this trial gets you. Oh, they're still in prison? Well, this was 2017 when they were arrested. And I mean, it's 2020. So here's the problem is they're not let out on they, they don't have bell. The fat like they're, you know, when they're like, Oh, you can get better or just be held, they're just being held at a county jail. So here's the thing is they've done like a pill after a pill saying we should be out on bail like this doesn't make sense. It's been three years like we're all just wasting our life in here. We don't even know what the evidence is.

We're not a flight risk, but they probably said they were a flight risk because they went to Alaska after the farms were searched. But they're like, we should be out. We should be out and all of the appeals have been denied. Why did they even come back? Why come back? No idea. If you're in Alaska and you're quote unquote, if you're're safe Why come back to the place where you might have murdered some and also like why would police wait for them to come back?

Why not go to Alaska? That's weird too So if anyone knows like like I said this case There's not a lot of information, but there could be people out there who know I'm not I'm not perfect I'm not claiming to be perfect in my research at all So if anybody does know any details that we're asking questions of, please comment and let us know and I will update everyone.

I'm just going by all the, you know, the research that I went on. I do not know why they came back. Okay. And the town, the Piked and Town is torn. And it's their guilty or not. Wow. Half of the town literally thinks there's no way.

Like the Wagner family is the nicest family in town. They have done so, like the grandma has bought houses for people, she feeds like the less fortunate people once a week, like. I guess it's weird though is how did they find, or why would they have had the, ugh. The silencer, the shoes.

Well, I mean, I get, yeah, the shoes and then the, I don't know, I mean, I guess you could just buy the vice that catches shells. I mean, that get yeah, the shoes and then the I don't know. I mean, I guess you could just buy the the vise that catches shells I mean, that's kind of a normal thing also like it's Ohio. I wouldn't be surprised if this is a town where people own guns Oh, of course, but yeah, that's so hard. You know what about the silencer what because you said they made it How do they how do they figure out how did the police figure out that they made it? And I think that came from like third person. They told us they were making it.

So I don't even know if that's hard. I don't even know if they found it. Okay. And if they did find it, then that's maybe why they said it. But there really isn't much evidence then. It's all circumstantial. And the only mode of so far, unless the police knows some motive

between the supposed business still that the two dads did, the only motive is this custody battle. I'm actually surprised they're in jail then, because there really isn't much evidence. And that's what they've said. It's like, is like, why are we in jail? And I know that the prosecutor was probably like, look at them murders, they're being charged with,

it's not like it was some third degree, you know, it was eight murders in four different locations. But you can't even prove it. I mean, maybe they do it. But here's the thing, maybe they have evidence that's not released. I'm sure you could be right, that's right. So that all could be happening in court

and we have no idea. So everyone else is thinking like we are. Like the whole entire town is like WTF. Yeah. But they might know, you know, but I wouldn't think so with all the appeals, but then also why are they getting denied? I have no idea. Okay. So basically there's updates here and there about

but you know everything with corona has really pushed back basically any Improvement that we can get on cases right now, but we will see like I don't even know if they have a start date for the trial plan or anything, but as soon as this trial gets going It's going to be crazy because if they come forward and this is the only evidence They have and they're trying to try these people. There's no way it will be up-roar. Yeah, like I wouldn't even I would not Suggest trying these people with this is all the evidence. That's a crazy story. I Super sad that eight people died. That's so crazy. And it just is like four different locations. That's the part that gets me. That's the part that gets me. And the fact that two babies, one four days old, one six months old, were left in the bed

as the people were killed. That's so weird too. I forgot about that. Who? How? When? Where? Like how? Where I know that it was like miles apart, but like you just went boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah. I've no idea. No one saw anything. No one heard anything. You got past all the Germans. You got past the security cameras. Like he said, the, I think the police are with holding information. I mean, they have the security cameras. Yes. So they, they obviously can see or saw kind of what was going on. The problem is, it seems like in most cases security cameras don't work. So I don't know, maybe that I don't know.

It's just insane. So yeah, stay tuned. I actually had never heard of this case. And I don't know how because this seems like a pretty. I'm surprised I didn't see it on the news. 2016. Uh-huh. Insane. I'm just excited to follow this case. So I will be doing any updates we have on this case.

Also, I have gotten a lot of requests if we have any updates on the Laurie Valow chat day, well, full situation meetings are just continuing to get pushed back due to COVID-19. If I do hear anything, I promise I will update you guys, but that's why there isn't an update. We haven't forgotten about them. We haven't forgotten about Tyleen JJ. They're just seriously no updating available. And thanks so much for continuing to follow, listening, subscribing, commenting, all that fun stuff.

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