Murder With My Husband - 45. Cari Farver - The Blame Game

Episode Date: January 25, 2021

In this episode of MWMH, Payton and Garrett discuss the case of Cari Farver and how it took years for the cops to see what was right in front of them, LIVE ONLINE SHOW TICKETS HERE! https://www.moment.co/murderwithmyhusband Case Sources: 2020 Season 43 Episode 7 Links: https://linktr.ee/murderwithmyhusband Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/murderwithmyhusband) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Yes, you energy, energy for everything. Captain Banner now to our podcast. This is Murder with my husband. I'm Peyton Moreland. And I'm Garrett Moreland. And he's the husband. And I'm the husband. What's your 10 seconds today? My 10 seconds today will be we finally got a couch finally you guys we haven't had a couch for like two months She's not lying. It's been it's been almost three months in October. Yeah, beginning of October and we got it this week Yeah, we've been sitting on our rug every single day So I never knew how much I would appreciate a couch. We got one. Yeah, we did We just want to say thank you to everyone who has signed up for our Patreon.

It's so much fun. And if you have any questions about that, it's just murder with my husband, Patreon. You can Google it or you can go to our social media and click the link in our bio. And it will take you to a thing where you can select our Patreon. It's super fun. So if you want to check it out, go ahead. Okay, so for our case this week, I don't know if you've seen, but on TikTok, there is a true crime case that is just blowing up. No one's talking about it, they're just telling everyone to go check it out.

Like I don't know, I've seen multiple people be like, if you wanna have your mind blown, go watch this 2020 case, it's on Hulu. And that's it, that's all they would leave it at. But I've seen multiple people talk about it and then the comments are like, oh, this just threw me for a loop. Dead it up.

And so I was like, okay, I have to like check out what everyone is talking about. It's been the hype. And so I got on, I like searched the 2020 and I realized I know the story. I know this 2020 story, but I thought I would share it for everyone who's listening since everyone's talking about it. So you can be in the know too. What do you mean? Like you know what hasn't you heard it before?

You've got a research on it before. No, I've heard it before. Okay. And I mean, yeah, it's definitely a doozy. Okay. So this is 2020 season 43 episode seven. Our case starts in council bluffs, Iowa, which is a city, but sort of has a small town fill. It's quiet rural community near the border of Nebraska out on the edge of the city is a huge park

named Big Lake Park. It's around 200 acres has many small ponds and lakes in it. Lots of hiking trails, lots of like toys for kids, it's like a beautiful park. On December 5th, 2015, a young woman was walking big lake park alone. It was night time dimly lit, but she was just trying to get her time in by herself. She stopped at a bench along one of the walking paths, and while resting for a second, she was approached from someone behind her. She turned around and saw a woman standing there with a gun. The woman told her to get down on the ground, and when the young woman did as she was told, the perpetrator shot her

in the leg and then ran off into the woods. The injured woman waits until she feels like the gun woman isn't returning, and then gets up to walk the path back to her car where she had left her cell phone. She calls 911 and lets them know what had happened. Police respawned by sending a helicopter over the park in hopes of spotting the suspect but they have no such luck. Now we are going to rewind to roughly three years earlier in 2012, Omaha, Nebraska, which is only about 10 minutes from Big Lake Park.

So although it's two states again, it's there very close. A 35 year old man named Dave Krupa is working as a mechanic. He's just your average Joe. He was recently separated from a woman named Amy Flora. They had been together for 12 years, had two children together. So this was the first time in a long time that Dave had been on his own. together. So this was the first time in a long time that Dave had been on his own. He moved to an apartment in Omaha in 2012, got a job as a mechanic and brainstormed about how he was going to go about dating again. He liked dating, he liked women, he knew he didn't want to be alone, but he had been so long since he had done this. Dave Krupa decides that he's going to try online dating. It hadn't been around much the first time he had started dating,

so he thought, why not? It seems like this is what everyone was doing now. The first girl that Dave meets through online dating is a woman named Liz Gullier. Liz's full name is actually Shana Elizabeth, and she was a single mother of two children who were around the same age as Dave's. Do you know what site he was using for online dating? I don't. I sounded like multiple, honestly, but they didn't specify which sites. Okay. Liz owned a company called Liz's housekeeping and her Instagram was full of cheerful selfies. Dave and Liz decide to go on a date together and hang out at a coffee shop. They get along well. They have fun together and Dave was upfront from the beginning

about what he was looking for. He didn't want to jump into a commitment very fast. He wanted to have fun casually and spend time together. But with this attitude came excitement. Dave wasn't only having this fun casual relationship with Liz. There was also Mary, Kathy, Joyce, Beth, Margaret, and Sandra too. So because of online dating, he was playing, Beth, Margaret, and Sandra too.

So because of all my dating, he was playing the field like this. Yes, yes. Sexual relationships with most of them. I think Dave was kind of engaging in like a rebound lifestyle. He hadn't, you know, been able to date for so long that when he did, he just, he dated everyone. And plus he was a parent with every girl that he didn't want commitment. Like he wasn't lying to them. He was saying, I'm dating other women. This is just casual for us. And they all agreed. How does Dave again? He is at this point, I think 35. Yeah. Okay.

So six months after meeting Liz and casually hooking up with the other women, Dave is working at the car shop when a young attractive woman walks in. This was the first woman that he had met face to face instead of a dating app that he actually felt he had an authentic connection with. Her name was Carrie Farver. She brought her explorer in to get worked on and there was an immediate spark between the both of them. Carrie was a 37 year old single mother to a 14 year old boy. She worked as a computer programmer. She had grown up in a small town in Iowa, and she had a lot of friends, her mom being her best friend.

After meeting Dave at the shop, Carrie told her friends about him, says that he's not typically her type, but there was definitely a connection between them. Dave goes home and finds Carrie's profile on a dating site and asks her out, because they had just hit it off. Wait, so you didn't get her number or anything? No, but he goes home and searches and comes across her on the dating app site. Okay.

I guess I was trying to decide if that's weird, but probably not. I mean, it may be for someone super pretty. And for all we know, this could be Instagram. I mean, we don't know. It's just online. It could be Facebook. It could be anything. Okay.

But they both say there was like a strong connection from the beginning. So they go to Applebee's for their first date. And it's good. It's successful. I actually am a chile's girl. I don't know about you, but I'm definitely a chile's over at this.

I wonder if there's less chiles in other parts and more Applebee's and other parts. Yeah, maybe, maybe. Because yeah, I guess I feel like we have definitely chiles over at least. I wonder if there's less chiles in other parts and more apple bees in the parts. Yeah, maybe, maybe. Cause yeah, I guess I feel like we have more chiles here than apple bees. So anyways, Carrie ends up back at Dave's place that night after their first date. And she's the one to let him know actually

that she's not interested in a boyfriend girl friend's situation. This just want, you know, she just wants us to be a casual romance type of thing. And Dave's like, perfect. Like that's exactly what I'm looking for. And I really like you. So it's perfect.

Yeah. This is all well and good. The date is going amazing according to him. Dave gets up to walk carry to the front door and say goodbye. She walks out of his door and not even 10 seconds later, there's a knock at Dave's door. So he's like, what gets back up answers it and is stunned to see Liz standing there. Boy, the girl he was casually dating at first.

She had come by to pick up some things that she had left at his apartment. It was a little awkward because Liz and Carrie had ran into each other in the hall. Oh, they didn't. Like, I'm going to that apartment that you just came out of type thing. Oh, that. Do you think they both recognize this? Do you know? Yes. But it wasn't like that big a deal, right? Like this is Carrie's first date with Dave. Okay. And I mean, they introduced each other, but it's just like a 10 second thing. Like, oh, yeah. But you know, nothing was committed. So it's not that big a deal. Two weeks later, Carrie was working on a big project at work

and spending lots of time in her office. Her office was only a couple blocks away from Dave's apartment, but actually a full hour away from where she lived. So she was commuting, but it was super close to Dave's house. So Dave offers his house to Carrie, hopefully making the commute easier. Yes, they had only known each other for two weeks, but they had been hitting it off.

They were comfortable with each other. So he gives her a key and she accepts. She's like, okay, I'll stay here for a couple days while I finish my project. On November 13, 2012, Dave gets ready for work and leaves around 6.30 a.m. He gives Carrie a kiss before he heads out the door. While at work that morning, Dave receives a text.

It's from Carrie. She tells him that she would like to move in together permanently. What, they've only been together for like, not even together. They've only been dating. Yeah. So Dave is taking a back.

This was out of left field. They had talked about this. They had talked about not moving in. Plus Carrie was the one who said she didn't want to be committed. Like on their first date, she's the one that said that they don't know each other. Exactly. And Dave is like, duh.

So he texts her back and reiterates his stance. I don't think we should. We don't really know each other. I'm not really interested in moving in together. Carrie immediately message back saying, fine, I hate you. I don't want to see you. I'm actually dating someone else, swearing at him, because yes, the whole nine yards. So Davis confused, like that's an understatement. He's like, what the heck? This literally didn't make sense. It wasn't like her. And that morning she'd been just fine. Like he had just kissed her

and walked out the door. And now she's flipping out on him. What in the world? So Dave goes home, Carrie's stuff is no longer there, she's gone, he doesn't see her. A couple days go by and Dave, here's nothing from Carrie either until one night, she randomly starts blowing up his phone again. The same stuff, I hate you, you ruined my life, you mother-eifer,

I don't wanna see you, like all over again. I think I might be time to block her number. Yeah, so Dave is a little less confused at this point and more relieved. Yeah. He felt like he dodged a bullet. Like, what if he'd gotten to no carry

and then this true side of her had come out, like later down the road, you know? So he's like, okay, I think I'd like dodged a crazy here. I'm backing up. Carrie had become pregnant at 22 and the relationship didn't work out. So she had raised her son alone. Okay.

With that came sadness and depression and eventually she was diagnosed with bipolar disorder. It was a hard time but she eventually got a good job and then life started to turn around for Carrie and then she met Dave. So this was all leading up to when she met Dave. She texted her mom and arranged to have her son who was now in high school stay with her so she could spend some days at Dave's home which was closer to work. That same day that Carrie had freaked out on Dave while he was at work, Carrie had also texted her mom to let her know that she had decided to just take a job in Kansas. So not only did she text Dave in 180, she texted her own mom who was taking care of

her son at this point because she was taking a job and I'm taking a job. Yes. Obviously a liar. Yes. Well, her son vouches for her. He tells grandma, no, like this isn't weird. Mom was talking about taking a job in Kansas. So he kind of like vouches for her.

Like, I don't think there's anything we're going on. Maybe she just decided to go through with it. Carrie's mom asked, you know, okay, that's fine. Can you call me? but she never hears back. Carrie told her son, like texted her son and said, I'll be there in a couple days. We're gonna go to my half-brothers wedding and then I'll get you and we'll go to Kansas.

The day of the wedding came and went, but Carrie neither showed up nor called. So now her son's just living with grandma. Like Carrie's missing. Has freaked out on everyone in her life. And so Carrie's family officially decides to report or missing. It's weird. I don't have any questions so far really because it's just weird.

It's just weird. It's just weird. And that's why I think everyone on TikTok was like, you need to go listen to this case. So during the report, Carrie's mother mentions that Carrie had been diagnosed with bipolar disorder but had talked about working her way off her meds because life was going good. She had met Dave everything. Please tell her, you know, people who have bipolar disorder and go off their meds. We see these type of situations play out, erratic behavior disappearing. So like, we don't think she's in danger anything. We think she's an adult and she's just decided to do her own thing.

Yeah. Carrie's mom is like, okay, well, I can tell the police aren't really taking me seriously, but the police are like, listen, Carrie's been in contact with you. She's not even fully missing. She's been texting you. She's been texting her son. We can't really consider her missing person. So back to Dave. The text messages from Carrie haven't really stopped.

They are foul mouth, calling him names, talking about how about of a person he is, like jealousy and rage fill the messages. Carrie starts to bring up Liz in her messages, the girl that she met in the hallway that day. Okay. You know, why was that girl coming to your house like da da da da da da, and at the same time, Liz reaches out to Dave to tell him that someone named Carrie was messaging her and like talking about Dave and she's like what the heck yeah. All right, it's time to get a restraining order and yeah. So she asks Dave how did Carrie get my number like who is this girl Dave's like I don't know I just dated her for two weeks. How did she get her number? Right.

So on November 23rd, 2012, 10 days after Carrie Farver was last seen, Liz comes home from work and discovers that someone had broken into her garage and written whore from Dave on her walls and spray paint. Oh, yeah, yeah, Carrie, definitely from Dave. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Carrie, definitely from Dave. Yeah, yeah. So Liz calls the police and files a report bringing up the harassment from Carrie that came to her via Dave and police paid Dave a visit at work.

And Dave shows police the messages. Carrie's been sending him and they're like, oh, okay, so you're not encouraging this harassment. She's just back crap crazy. And he's like, yeah, she's harassing me too. And police are like, okay, well, like block her number, do whatever and he's like, I have. She gets a new phone and text me.

Why? Yeah. And so they're like, okay, well, you get a new phone then and change your number and he's like, well, that's not fair, you know? But you kind of have to do it. So anyways, back to Carrie's mom. She's also still receiving text messages during this time. Some of them kind of have to do it. So anyways, back to Carrie's mom. She's also still receiving text messages

during this time. Some of them like kind of rude. And Carrie texts her son to let him know, you know, we're going to move to Kansas. I'm going to come get you. Carrie at this point has now missed her brother's wedding her birthday Thanksgiving her son's birthday and then eventually her father's funeral her father dies and she doesn't come to show up for the funeral. So Carrie's family feels like something is wrong. Yeah. So they text Carrie and tell her that they don't believe it's her texting them. They're like, we don't think it's you texting us because we just don't think you would do this. Sorry. They just had it like in a pic. So I wish you see this face. Go to YouTube and watch this. So what are you thinking? Okay. I'm thinking that, okay,

so Carrie's been missing for a while now. Missing, she's been. Contacts on people, but she's been gone. So, I don't know if I, because I don't know anything about the story and I don't wanna spoil it. No, I want you to give guess. I'm thinking that she's gone.

She went missing. So when actually abducted her, killed her, has her phone and is texting people. That seems, I mean, I know that seems completely absurd, but this is why her family thinks. Oh, okay. So Liz, obviously, and Dave. But then why would she be texting Dave and Liz,

if it wasn't her? Like why would she? She's also texting like Carrie's friends. But she knows stuff. She whoever has the phone. Yes. No stuff that only she should know. I feel like. So it's probably not what's happening. So Carrie's family thinks that's what's happening. Dave and Liz think heck no. She knows things that like, you know, and so no, it's her. She's just gone crazy. Okay.

So these two sides are competing essentially. So at this point, Dave is actually receiving 60 plus texts a day and over 100 emails a day. All right. It's time to change your number. He has. He's changed his number many times, but Carrie keeps getting his new number or whoever is impersonating Carrie according to Carrie's parents. Oh my gosh. Yes. She was talking about Liz, how Liz should kill herself that she's fat ugly cow Just horrible things about Liz. This is cyberbullying. Oh, yeah. She even addresses some of the emails to Dave as if Liz is Reading them like oh Liz you're so stupid even though they're too Dave So it's not really making much sense at this point the tech start becoming worse

So it's not really making much sense at this point. The tech start becoming worse where she would prove that she's stalking Dave saying, I can see what you're wearing. I can see that you're sitting on your recliner watching this show and he would be so that she's like outside his house stalking him. Oh my gosh. Is he telling the police all this? Like what's going on? Yes, but the police are like, well, I don't know.

We can't find the woman. Like, it's not like we can go to her house. She's not at her house. But like if she's stalking him, like, can you put a cop outside or something? I don't know. I don't know. And I think at this point, like Dave just starts

to this is my life. Like he's just, it's not that big a deal to him anymore. Like he just changes his phone number, she finds it, and it's fine. OK. In January, around two months after all of this had started happening, Dave arrives home and sees Carrie's car in his apartment complex parking lot. So he's like, I've caught her.

Like that's her car in my parking lot. So he takes a picture of it and sends it to the police. You have to keep in mind, in Iowa, the police are under the impression that Carrie Farver is just a missing person. And in Nebraska, they think she's a stalker, her asser. Okay. So police begin searching Carrie's car at Dave's complex. There was a mint container that had one fingerprint on it. Police run it. It doesn't match Carrie or anyone in the database.

Carrie is actually posting on Facebook. On her Facebook, talking about how she's not missing. She just doesn't want to come home. People need to leave her alone, stop like reaching out to her. She's an adult. She can do what she wants. And Dave and Liz's harassment is getting worse. But because of this, they begin dating again because they start to connect over the fact that Carrie is harassing them.

Okay, got it. So they would be hanging out together when both of their phones would start blowing up with messages from Carrie. And they'd be like, look, look. How is that not? I'd be freaked out. Yes. There's no way I'd be calm in that situation.

She's crazy. She's writing fake obituary for them. She actually sends Dave a picture of what appears to be Liz, but it's not, you know, it's just like a woman tied up in a trunk. She goes, I have Liz in my trunk. You better call her right now and tell her that she's ugly and that you don't like her and you don't want to see her. So Dave calls Liz.

Can they not find her by her phone? I don't know. By her phone number? I don't know. So Dave calls Liz and is like, are you and Carrie's trunk and she's like, no. This is so weird. So nine months after Carrie was last seen in August, Dave gets a call from Liz. Someone had lit her house on fire. Her children were not home, but all

of her pets, her dogs, her snake, her cats died in the fire. No way. Yeah. So I will play the audio, but she's like, oh my gosh, my house is on fire literally. When I've seen this one far looking at science, this is pretty obviously synantically set fire. Hey guys, I've seen he has a girl by the day for two weeks and she's been stalking me since November. Do you know her name?

It's Keri. It's C-A-R-I. She won't leave me alone. She will not go away. I just wish we'd go away. Two months later, Dave's auto shop that he works at is vandalized with spray paint that says Dave beats women. It's all along the side of the building,

along the road, everyone can see it. This has gone from like petty stalking to a whole new level. Like this is like, this is not okay. Yeah. So Dave purchases a gun. He's like, I think I'm like in danger that police are doing nothing to help me. And I'm scared.

Although Dave and Liz are dating, Dave is still actively looking for women to dates, but most women that he contacts also get contacted by Carrie. Like he reaches out to someone, and then the next day they're like someone's texting me named Carrie. Yeah. So Dave has a friend over,

and while she's there, a brick gets thrown through his window, and it's a childhood friend, they're not like romantically involved. But this had just become part of his life. I go, I would go into witness protection program. I'd move houses like I don't. This is scary. I think like, I think about this.

And I think I used to be like, oh, a stalker, like what a cliche I do, right? Like a stalker. But then as I've heard more stories, I'm kind of like a stalker is scary. Oh yeah. Like that's freaky. And to me, it used to just kind of be, like when I was younger, you know, I'd be like,

oh, you have a stalker? Oh, oh, oh, oh, it's actually scary. I guess I understand why some celebrities, like when they get stalkers, they take it seriously. It's not like, it's not a joke. Yes, it's insane. So in 2015, so now we're two years after Carrie was last seen.

Okay. She's been harassing on and off this whole time. Two detectives decide to take a second look at the missing person case that was Carrie Farver. They notice that her texts have spelling errors, which was unlike Carrie, and rarely does someone disappear voluntarily and not spend a dime of their own money. All the money in her bank account hasn't been touched.

Oh, that's kind of weird. Yeah, so they come to the conclusion that they think carry is dead. So, like, what I was saying earlier. And that someone has been impersonating her. These detectives get a hold of Dave and ask if they can meet. They tell Dave that they don't think Carrie was harassing him and Liz. They think someone else has been impersonating her

and that she's either not alive or not roaming around at her free will. Dave is stunned. Why would someone even do that? So police then drop a bombshell of evidence on Dave. A bombshell of evidence that points all fingers To Liz being the person impersonating Carrie No way Liz who's house

Burned down and all of her pets died Liz who was sitting with him at the time of getting texts from Carrie if she has burned her own house down I don't even know what to say. That's crazy. No. He's like, I'm dating Liz. They only ever met once in a hallway before this happened. And plus Liz wouldn't kill her own animals and burn down her own house, not to mention take pictures of herself in a trunk and send them to me. And how could she send them? I've been with her at times when we've received texts from Carrie together. I guess I'm a little confused.

So if they think it's Liz, would that mean they think it's Liz from the very first text that they've, the very first crazy text that they've got like from the beginning? Yes. Okay, that's what they're telling Dave. From everything. From the very first time she goes, I wanna move in.

Yes, a couple hours after he kissed her on the lips and left for work. And left for work. A couple hours later, she sends a text to him saying, let's move in permanently. Okay, okay, let's see what happens. Are you? Yeah, mind blown.

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So the police tell him that they don't have the answers as to why or how Liz is doing this. All they know is that when Liz turned her phone over as evidence during her reports of harassment against Carrie, they collected her text message data to put it into evidence. And when they went back through it two years later, they found a picture of Carrie's car a whole month before police had found it

at his apartment complex. So Liz knew where Carrie's car was and took a picture of it a whole month before they found it at his apartment complex. And it's a whole month essentially after she had been missing. Okay. So in the middle of her going missing, no one's seen her, Liz takes a picture of her car. I cannot believe that this might be Liz. They also discovered that before Carrie went missing, Liz had dialed carries home phone number using star six seven like 10 times. But they had only met once, right? In that hallway?

The star six seven still work. Well, police can figure out who did it. I mean, yes, star, I don't know right now. Do you remember in high school like using star six seven? I do. I used to call all my crushes. You said star six seven. That's so funny. And so they're like, why did she call her 10 times anonymously if they'd only met once? Yeah. They also collect a photo of a check that from Carrie's mom that had been sent to her by who she had presumed to be Carrie, even though Carrie had been missing. It was a picture of a check. The check was for furniture in her home. So she, she reached out to her mom. She said, Hey, mom, I'm selling all the furniture in my home. This is while she's missing.

I'm selling all the furniture in my home. Can you let someone into my home to collect the furniture? And Carrie's mom is like, what the heck? Why are you selling all the furniture in your home? And she's like, it doesn't matter here. Look, send her a picture of the check and says, look, I'm actually selling. Here's the check.

Can you please let them in my home? I can't be there to let them in. So please collect this check. Guess who's signature is at the bottom as the buyer. Liz. Mm hmm. As the buyer of all the missing woman's furniture. Liz is insane. Yes. The last piece of solid evidence they had was the unknown fingerprint in Kerry's car came back to none other than Liz. Keep in mind, this is all circumstantial. They don't even know if Carrie's dead. Like, this could just be Liz's a weirdo, but there's no actual proof that she wasn't personating her. Like, they don't have anything to that nature. Yeah.

Just that she's acting weird. In December of 2015, Liz Goliar talks with police and tells them that she's come to the realization that it might not have been Carrie this whole time harassing her. She thinks that maybe Amy Flora, Dave's ex-girlfriend for all those years and the mother of his children. Her to Carrie and was impersonating her and harassing her and Dave this whole time. So essentially Liz blames Dave's ex-girlfriend of 12 years for impersonating Carrie. And then Liz or I don't know if it's necessary. Yes, it's impersonating Carrie but also harassing them. Liz also tells them the Dave that gun he had bought is missing. He had told her that the gun went missing. And she tells police that and says, I think

Amy Flora stole his gun. What a weirdo. Yeah. that and says, I think Amy Flora stole his gun. Why don't we hear it? Oh, yeah. So the detective plays dumb and asks if she could give him her phone. So they could have the messages, the recent harassment messages. And she's like, heck, yeah, you can have my phone. So they take her phone, but instead of just downloading the recent messages, they download every piece of data, pictures, anything that's on her phone, they download it.

So I'm more confused because Liz and Dave were together, but then they were both getting messages at the same time. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure there's an explanation. So Dave doesn't believe cops because of that. Okay. He's like, I don't, she's not crazy. I don't, she doesn't act crazy.

Like we were together and we both got messages. She killed her own pets for this. You know, she burned her whole house down. Just a couple days later, Liz Goliier will make a 911 call from a walking trail in Big Lake Park. She will tell the dispatcher that she has been shot in the lake by a random woman who came up behind her. No way. She shot herself no mic then she. Okay. So she's rushed to the hospital. Her wound's nonfatal and she claims it was Amy Flora who killed her. It's quickly determined the Amy Hennott shot Liz.

Liz hit shot Liz. She shot herself in the own leg. That's so crazy. Analysts are going through Liz's phone as fast as they can at this point. They eventually trace the messages from Carrie right back to Liz, her house, her IP address, her devices. She used an app that would delay messages so she could be sitting right next to Dave on the couch and they would both receive messages from Carrie together. Okay.

The detectives play on Liz's side. They want a solid case like they have evidence, but they want what happened to Carrie. So they ask Liz like, she just shot you, Amy, just shot you. It's a high chance that she hurt Carrie as well. So can you please reach out to Amy and see if she will confess to Carrie's murder, you know, since she shot you in the lake. Almost immediately Liz comes back to police with proof and email from Amy that says, yes, Liz, I did attack Carrie. I stabbed her three to four times in the chest and stomach and then I burned her body.

And then I stuffed her body in a garbage can and I dumped her in big lake park So at this point Liz really thinks that she's fooling police Yeah, she just ratted herself out of and police are like oh my god Liz you're so you're such a detective list job Liz yeah, so they're like actually Liz can you? Try to get more information like maybe where the body is, you know, and this is that? So is that actually what she did then, like what she said? Is that probably?

I'm assuming. Do you think she just made it up? I don't know. She's made a lot of things. I know. So anyways, detectives reach out to Dave and they're like, hey, we're really trying to get a solid case on this for Carrie. We've been working with Liz, but can you tell Liz that you're moving back in with Amy because

we think that will push her over the edge? Okay. Like, can you just be like, actually, I know you think Amy's the person who's been harassing us, but I'm like, they want to drive Liz crazy. That's, that's kind of scary. Even though she already is crazy. So he does it. He literally is like, Hey, Liz, I'm moving back in with Amy.

I don't, I'm worried that Carrie's going to hurt her. So I'm moving back in with her. I don't, I'm worried that Carrie's gonna hurt her. So I'm moving back in with her. Liz... Liz is gonna freak out. Liz loses it. And I'm going to play the tape, the call that she makes to police after Dave tells her this. Looks like the only person that Benuc did was her. So she gets to shoot somebody, and then she gets to kill another person, and then she gets to move in with Dave, and she gets to be free.

And you guys aren't arresting her. Like, they did exactly what they thought it was going to do. That was smart to do. She sounds like a nine-year-old whose brother got the sucker that she wanted. Exactly. She's like, this is not fair. It's not fair. It's not fair. She's been harassing me and then he gets going to move back in with her. That's so crazy. And then they're like, okay, Liz, we understand your upset.

We understand we're going to need you to have Amy tell us exactly what happened. So she's like, yes, I'll get that email for you. So Liz turns over another email from Amy stating that the stabbing's happened and carries car. So police tear her car apart and find blood on the seat. Like under, they tear up the whole entire seat, find a huge bowl of blood, they match it to carry.

So that's the crime scene they've now found the crime scene. Police confront Liz and we'll play a little bit of the interview. Why would you create all these emails? I haven't created any emails. All these have been coming from your house. And I'm not going to be accused of something that I didn't do. Liz, we literally have proof on your phone

that all of this ties back to you. No, no way. No, it wasn't me. I can't believe you're blaming me. No, Liz, we have proof that you used an app and sent this exact message pretending to be Carrie. No, I didn't. I think she's convinced herself that it's not her. Yeah. Oh, like in the interview, she is dead set. Like I cannot believe you'd blame me right now. Police find eventually. They go to Dave. They're like, hey, Dave. Is there anything else you can tell us about Liz like we just want We don't have a body and we don't have a murder weapon

So it's really risky even though we have all this evidence It is risky to take this and charge her for Carrie's murder when we don't have Carrie or you know So is there anything else you can give us he's like I don't think so but go search like my storage units They search the storage unit. They find an old iPad that has an SD card in it. So they take the SD card out, find that Liz's phone SD card old that she had put into his iPad. Okay. Which, how did they even find that?

I honestly have no idea. But anyways, they take the SD card out and they find on it a picture of a foot and the foot belongs to a picture of a foot. And the foot belongs to a woman. Oh, no. And it's decomposing. It's a dead body foot. And the foot on it has a tattoo of like a symbol

and it's Carrie's tattoo that she has on her foot. Yeah. So they basically just found proof that Carrie is dead because the foot is decomposing and that it's Carrie because of the tattoo and that it was on Liz's SD card. They also find a camcorder at Liz's house because they searched her house and it's Carrie's camcorder that had been stolen like a couple, like a couple days after she'd gone on the first date with Dave. And on it was a video of Carrie, and I can play this for you, but it was a video of Carrie filming herself saying, my Ford Explorer just got vandalized.

So a couple days after Liz met her in that hall, she went to Carrie's house and vandalized her car. From day one, it was from day one. Oh, it's flip. Yes. So they have all the evidence they need. They take it to trial and lose a sentence to life in prison. Wow. Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah. But that is the story of Kerry Farver and the tangled web that this was three years of police not knowing where she was to catch her for harassment or where she was to find her as a missing person. Are all stalkers like this?

Because this is the craziest stalker story that I've ever heard. Just the like like the little details just this not even that it's what she she burnt her own house down. How killed her pets. She killed and it was like five pets. It was like a snake dogs cats. She killed them. She burned them alive to try to keep many kids that she have to how old are they the same age as Dave's kids, but I don't know the exact ages. Okay. So that is why everyone on TikTok is talking about this story. A lot of people caught on from the beginning

that it was going to be Liz, but I tried to tell it in a way that you wouldn't think it was gonna be Liz. That's why I was like, wait. Did you think Liz or did you just think another person? No, I just thought another person. I didn't think Liz at first. You did a good job.

I feel like Dave, he's like literally from the day he's like, it's like Carrie completely switched. Like literally 180 personality. And everyone chalked it up too. Well, she has, you know, she's been diagnosed with bipolar disorder. And so I think that was like worked, you know, against Carrie in this situation.

And I think I would have been like, this isn't gonna happen to me. Like this isn't happening. There's no way. And even in the interview, like Dave, he does the interview and you can tell he's just kinda like, it was just weird.

I was getting stalked, but I don't know. Like I didn't think really anything of it. Which is, I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I think that's kind of weird Like if I was getting sorry he's a very laid-back guy like the way he was talking about this was very chill Well, he handled it really well because I think I would have been freaking out Well, he kept saying in his head like he kept saying the whole time I was dating Liz like casually through all of this I kept thinking like how is she like why does she keep wanting to date me?

Like, so does he tell this story? Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. Well, the story isn't cool, but sad. I'm saying the fact that he comes out and talks about it. Wait, so time out. Poor Carrie.

Poor Carrie. She got killed. We didn't talk about that very much. Literally dating a guy for two weeks. We're doing not, she didn't do anything. It's so sad. Yeah. And I mean, that's why I did include Carrie's family side of this

story just because I do want to give justice to the fact that like Liz did not only hurt Carrie herself and Dave. Like there was like Carrie had a son, oh yeah, 14 year old son, who was texting Liz years after his mother went missing going, where are you? Why did you leave me? Why won't you come back and get me? That's so sad. So sad. So heartbreaking. Yeah. That's probably part of the story don't really talk about. No, and Liz would reply as carry going, it's okay little man. I love you. I just can't. Yeah. Oh, that can. That would that. I know. So this story, although crazy, and you just are like,

what the heck is wrong with this Liz person also was just completely devastating for so many other people. Yeah. Yeah. Like Liz or Carrie's family, I just feel horrible. That's crazy. But I mean, can you believe Liz shot herself in the lake? Oh, yeah. In her femur bone. I don't understand how you can treat yourself. Just like you didn't even need to. She didn't even need to like, she didn't need to burn her house down. Everyone was believing it was Carrie. She didn't need to go as far as burning, killing her pets. Shooting herself in the leg. I don't know how that would.

So she never came out and said, this is where her body is. So they still don't, they don't, she, she claimed innocence, she still claims innocence to the stay, that she didn't do it. Is she in a psych ward or is she in prison? Psych ward, is she like in a,

Yeah, I know what you're saying. No, she's in prison. Okay. Which they would have had to evaluate her before they sent her to trial. So, I mean, honestly, if her defense team was smart, they would have done a insanity plea. Yeah, so anyways, that's the story for this week. Our episode, and now you can now you can brag to all your friends that you know exactly what everyone's talking about on TikTok. But yeah, please, please, please subscribe. If you haven't, we love you guys so much.

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