Murder With My Husband - 52. The Claremont Serial Killer

Episode Date: March 15, 2021

In this episode of MWMH, Payton and Garrett discuss the Claremont Serial Killer. LIVE ONLINE SHOW TICKETS HERE! https://www.moment.co/murderwithmyhusband Case Sources: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-22/secrets-finally-revealed-about-the-claremont-serial-killings/11813052 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nN2TK51Jt0 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claremont_serial_killings https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-54275166 ABC News In Depth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia8aQKoQwCA https://www.smh.com.au/national/new-footage-of-perth-serial-killers-victim-released-20080828-44k7.html https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-26/day-one-bradley-edwards-accused-claremont-serial-killer-trial/11726674 Links: https://linktr.ee/murderwithmyhusband Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/murderwithmyhusband) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Together, they grew up in the country and attended boarding school in Perth, Western Australia. So our cases from Australia this week. So what exactly is boarding school? I guess I've never been clear on what is boarding school. Sorry to interrupt. They're already readin. Boarding school is where you live at school like room and board. So like Zoli 101. Yeah, I've actually never seen it up this. So you have it. Okay. So as sisters, Sarah and Amanda got along very well,

although they were total opposites, their personalities, but they were best friends. Sarah is said to be the type of person who would go out of her way to make sure everyone around her was happy. She was compassionate and could light up a room with her affectionate personality. In 1996, Sarah and Amanda moved to South Perth where they share a flat,

which is an apartment, but flat makes me feel a little bit cooler. So I might continue calling it a flat. Okay. They are enjoying life together as young adults and in mid-January 1996, their parents had come down to visit. After a great time together, Don and Carol got back into their car and head back to their home in the country, not knowing that that was the last time either of them would ever see Sarah their daughter again. On Friday, January 26, 1996, Sarah and her friends are planning to go to King's Park where there is an outdoor concert happening. They thought they would bring some food, sit down, eat dinner, and enjoy the concert together.

After dinner, as day turns into night, Amanda, Sarah's sister picks up Sarah and her friends and takes them to the Ocean Beach Hotel to drink and hang out. Okay. From the sounds of it, the hotel bar is in the middle of a market that is super lively on a Friday night. It's a great place to hang out and have fun with your friends. There's a whole bunch of bars and shops around it. So it's just kind of on a Friday night, a place where young adults go to hang out. Got it. Around midnight, Amanda drives back to the Ocean Beach Hotel to pick up her sister and her friends once again.

So she dropped them off and is now back to pick them up again. The plan was to then take them to Claire Mont, which is like a different city, where a popular night stop called Club Bay View was located, and they were going to finish the night there. Before getting out of the car, Sarah hugged and kissed her sister, and thanked her for the ride, and then ran into the club with her friends. And again, this new spot in Claremont is also very lively

for young adults. Around 2 a.m., Amanda has gone gone to sleep and so Sarah decides she will catch a taxi home instead of having Amanda come pick her up again. Sarah tells her friends that she is going to head home for the night and runs out to the end of the road to find a phone booth. So her friends stay in the club and she is done. Before she does, she stops and talks to the club guard, which I am thinking is the bouncer. And she tells him that she's headed home to see Amanda. And I'm assuming that they are friends because he knows Amanda is in everything.

At 206 AM, Sarah calls Swan Taxis, but instead of ordering the taxi to South Perth where Amanda is at their home sleeping, she orders her taxi to a suburb called Moseman Park. And she had a friend who lives there whom she had been with earlier that day. And it's assumed that she decided it would be cheaper and faster to go there and crash instead of going all the way home to Amanda. Okay, let me just recap real quick where we are. So if you got this club, basically she's had to go home, so she gets a taxi to a different place.

That's not her home. Okay. Exactly. And I did think this was a little weird because the bouncer did say she was going home to Amanda. Correct. But not even 20 seconds. I don't know how long it was, but just the time it took her from walk to there to the

end, to the phone booth, the end of the road. She's now going to a different place. But maybe it was one of those things where he knows Amanda. So it was just easier to be like, I the phone booth, the end of the road, she's now going to a different place. But maybe it was one of those things where he knows Amanda, so it was just easy to be like, I'm heading home, yeah, you know. Sarah crosses the road and waits for the taxi that she had just called at the intersection on Sterling Highway, that's the name of the road.

Three guys in a car pull up around that time and notice Sarah standing there alone. And as they drive away, they notice a car pulling up where Sarah is standing, but they turn at the intersection and drive away. At 209, Sarah's taxi arrives at the intersection, looks up the road towards the phone booth, down the road the other way, and Sarah is nowhere to be found.

She was gone and is now missing. OK, got it. On the Monday after Sarah Spears went missing, her sister tried calling after not seeing her sense that Friday night. When Sarah doesn't answer, Amanda reaches out to her friends asking if they had seen her or heard from her since she left the club that night, they hadn't either. Amanda decides she's going to call the police. Police immediately begins circulating pictures of Sarah, along with what she was wearing that night.

They distinguished her beige chunky hills that she had been wearing that night. Search teams, search the nightlife and club areas are scavenged. Hundreds of people come forward trying to help. Every lead is chased. Nothing helps. Sarah is not found. Okay, so basically it's two o'clock in the morning. Some random card comes by and... And next thing you know Sarah's gone. Okay. Yes. So now we're jumping back in the early 1960s, in a suburb called Shenton Park,

there was just 10 miles away from Claremont, which is where Sarah went missing from. Trevor and Janie Rimmer have started their life together and eventually have a baby named Jane Rimmer in 1973. According to Hunt for a Killer, Jane is a quiet child but grows into a fun, loving, young woman who wants to work with children one day.

As the time comes for her to move out of her parent's house, Jane gets her own flat and fulfills her dream by getting a job at a children's center. Five months after Sarah Spears was last seen in Claremont, it's now Saturday, June 8, 1996. 23-year-old Jane Rimmer links up with her friends at none other than the Ocean Beach Hotel. They eat dinner, they have some drinks, and then they decide to continue on with their night at a club called Continental. They dance and hang out, but around 11.30 pm, they decide to walk

to another club nearby called Bayview. According to her friend, Jane was reluctant to go to this specific club because she didn't like it. But when the group arrived, they discovered that there was an extremely long line to get in and they decided to instead just call it a night. We're not going to go to another club. We're just going to be done. So these two stories are sounding eerily familiar. And they're only five months apart, Jane and Sarah. And they both are staying at the same hotel and both went to the same club.

Same clubs, yes. Although Jane had not wanted to go to Bayview, she, unlike her friends, was not ready to call it a night. As her friends are getting in the taxi, they try to convince her to leave with them. But she just wants to hang out a bit longer in this night life, have a little bit more fun before she ends her night. OK. The next day, when Jane does not show up to a Sunday lunch with her parents,

Trevor and Janey visit their daughter's flat, but immediately call police when she isn't there. Once notified, police draw the conclusion that because only five months earlier, Sarah had gone missing from the same area with a near identical story, that means to them that these cases have to be connected. Where's Jane's friends? They left and then never saw her again. They left her there to continue hanging out and having fun and go to see her again. Police notify task forces that the cases could be worked together by a special task force called Macro. Okay, you guys, we are getting into an ad. I know you guys have both heard the story about how Garrett and I were both paying separately

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nativedo.com slash husband and use promo code husband. So this special task force called macro is created in order to work just on these cases, these two missing women around the same age, around the same area, same color skin, similar time, everything similar lifestyles. Pictures of Jane are posted in hopes, just like Sarah was, that someone had seen her or something, but nothing comes forward.

On Saturday, August 3rd, 1996, 55 days after Jane went missing, a family driving around and well-eared stops to pick some wildflowers. During the adventure, the mother of the family stumbles across a body in the grassy wooded area. Jane Rimmer's naked body had been discovered. Oh, no. So keep in mind Sarah's body is still missing. Has it been found? But Jane's body was found.

Yes. Nine months after Jane Rimmer's body was discovered, it's now Saturday, March 15, 1997. Okay. 27-year-old Kira Glennon has been drinking with her colleagues after work, but then after that they decide to keep the night going and make their way to the continental. The continental is crowded, and Kira decides to stay for only 20 minutes. She grabbed her jacket and makes her way out. While walking down, sterling highway, a few men are hanging outside when

they call out to Kira about how dangerous it is to hitchhike alone at night. Kira waves them off and keeps walking. But not too much farther down the road, did she make it before the men noticed a car pull up, and Kira begins talking to the driver. The vehicle was light-colored according to the men, but they weren't paying too much attention they didn't know her. Next thing they know, Kira and the vehicle is gone. None of the men see her get into the vehicle, but as they look down the road a couple minutes

later, they notice that she and the vehicle is gone. I can't believe that this can happen three times in the same area. In the same area. Probably all around the same exact spot. Yes, within like a year, right? 1996, 1996, now 1997. Yeah. Like it's been on the news.

They were taking the disappearances seriously. So everyone was like, we probably shouldn't be alone, which is probably why those guys said, hey, it's dangerous. I'm sure they weren't trying to, like, they were being serious. Yeah. So the next day, here is mom reports her missing

when she doesn't hear from her. Panic sets in as the information is spread about the possible serial killer because Jane's body was found, remember? A $250,000 reward is set up by the Western Australia government, the largest ever reward in return for any news that leads to an arrest. There were so many people around the nights

these girls went missing in the area. In fact, two separate groups of men had seen that they saw two different women near a car, but there's nothing. There's nothing. There's no information. Well, also it's hard because I'm sure a lot of different people saw people next to cars. Exactly. Nine times, so. And like this is such a busy area, I know you said that, but at the same time It's almost the best like you know when they say hide and plane sight

It was so busy that would anyone even noticed a little scream or a little tussle you know what I'm saying like it's already Lively it's nighttime people are partying people are hanging out On April 3rd 1997 only 19 days after Kira disappeared a labor man comes across a body along a sandy track on Perth's northern outskirts police confirmed that the partially clothes body was in fact Kira Glenan and that the killer had most likely gone off the main road taking a separate track to get to where the body was dumped so it went out of his way to get here. Thanks. So there's two bodies. We've now found Jane and Kira. Yes. And Sarah is still missing. And all these happened with about in a year.

Dang. It's crazy that they're finding that these bodies have been found fairly quickly. I feel like. Yes. Very quickly. And Sarah's hasn't. Yes. That is a point in this case that will continue on the whole case. Okay. In the time following the killings, Claremont was in a panic, obviously. Weekend nights that used to be bright and busy became deserted. The people of West Australia did all they could to help. Crime stoppers was overloaded with calls,

but nothing seemed to come of it. No one came forward that they knew anything about the cars that had been witnessed those nights talking to the girls. Cab drivers are all suspects at the beginning, but after taking DNA of thousands of cab drivers, nothing comes of it. The next suspect is a man named Lance Williams, the next public suspect, I should say, that is announced, is a man named Lance Williams, who is followed around for more than two years in this investigation.

Whoa. Because in the past, he had driven around Claremont at night on the weekends offering women rides home instead of them having to call taxis. Why did they figure out why he did that? I think just maybe to be nice or makes the money a girl's or I don't know. I don't know. They don't ever release it. And he was never charged and eventually dismissed. So as we're on the subject, I am going to say here, this investigation is super

private, which is why I don't know why land. There's a lot of information not released. Yes. Up until just a few years ago, this was a mysterious case. No one knew any information about it. No one, the things that were discovered came out of the blue like there It wasn't publicly told if that makes sense So despite the special effort for the search of Sarah Jane and Kira's killer because at this point They're assuming that Sarah has also died. They just have found the body 12 years after the tear nothing had been released No arrests had been made.

Efforts had been long spent on lance Williams, but now the case was cold, and we have this empty period of time where the public is told nothing about the case. I mean, I guess though, if there's no camera evidence, if no one saw any license plates or a car, and there's no DNA evidence, like what do you do? What are you?

And the public's like, what do we do? We haven't been told anything. They've said we found the bodies, right? There's been no. This is how the bodies were found. I mean, I said they were naked, but that comes out later. So the public doesn't even know how they were found, how they died. Has it been released?

So all they know is that, hey, these three girls went missing around the same area. Two of the bodies have been found. This guy was a suspect. They spent a long time on the taxi drivers, but now nothing. And it's not like this case is being forgotten. It's being reported on.

I have listened to podcasts cover this case before anything was solved. Is it for a reason? Cause they're trying to keep everything private so they can find who did this or you're not sure? I'm assuming that's why yes, but it just was weird. It was weird. You don't rarely do you see such a public case that was a serial killer and for 12 years not here much about it. And not here anything about it. This summer, go to the movies projected on the side of a mountain.

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police randomly and quiet out of the blue, make an arrest in this case in December of 2016. The arrest made people's head spin. As the public had no idea, they even had another suspect. They held a press conference and announced that 48-year-old Bradley Robert Edwards was being charged with the murder of Sarah Spears in 1996, the murder of Jane Rimmer in 1996, and the murder of Kira Glennon in 1997. So he was 48, so he would have been 28. Yes, he would have been in his 20s.

Bradley was a former telephone technician for a company now named Telstra. Have you heard of that? No, I haven't. But they were formally known as Telecom when he worked there And I feel like this is a very popular company in Australia. I did research it. I googled it. I've heard a telecom Yes, it's a popular company there, but like outside of there. I I had never heard of it

Okay, he had drove a company car which looked like a taxi and was given a company knife with the telecom Logo on it, which would be brought up later in trial. Bradley denies the charges of murder presented against him, but admits that he did, in fact, rape a 17-year-old girl in a cemetery in 1995, so a year before Sarah went missing. Why would he just admit that out of the blue? They came to him with evidence saying we know you did this. And also some of his earlier crimes he'd actually gone to court for and been punished for. And a different woman that he also admits to where he broke

into her house and attempted to rape her in 1980. How is this guy not in jail? Yeah, exactly. Crazy. So he was a normal guy. Steady job had friends, was a bit of a nerd, and worked with local sports center for kids. So this was also, once the arrest was made, people were like, what? Like we were expecting a serial killer, and this guy does not look like a serial killer

to us. Three years after the arrest of Bradley Roberts, now 51 years old, he was taken to trial. And I need to preface this again, that they made the arrest and then gave no evidence or anything information to the public about why they suspected him. All of that would have to wait till trial. So this guy gets arrested and then everyone's like, wow, now we'll finally have answers

and then they have to wait three more years. Well, they're probably trying to save it for trial. For trial, exactly. And that's not a dumb thing. But keeping in mind, all of there's no information before this. This just feels super random. And everyone, you know, put yourself back

three years before this happens. Everyone's like, they've made a run arrest. And we have no idea why. We have no idea why they're suspecting this guy. He goes to trial. According to BBC News, the judge only trial. So he just wanted a judge, was Western Australia's longest running and most expensive murder trial to date,

taking place over seven months and included over 200 witnesses at trial. Yeah. And since day one of trial, the information everyone had been wanting came spilling out. So all of the answers really come out. That's good though. I'm glad that everything's coming out. Yes, coming together. So turns out there had been a ton of DNA evidence in this case. That just couldn't be tested back then and that the public hadn't been told about. But as time went on and DNA testing advanced, new detectives came in and took a look at this case and were like, hey, we have new technology that can maybe help us with this DNA.

There was a scraping under Kira Glennan's thumb that had not been tested back then. But when tested, it came back as an unknown male, but also matched an unsolved rape from a cemetery in 1995. Wow. Okay. And this realization was made back in 2008. That's crazy. So if you think about it,

police knew that they had a match to an unsolved rape in 2008 and didn't tell anyone. This case was just cold and stagnant, but they had made this huge discovery and just didn't tell the public about it. It's pretty crazy that DNA advanced that much though that they were able to pull everything it. So in 2016, so they make this, they make this, but then they're like, we still don't know who did

this unsolved rate. So it doesn't help us. It just gives us a little bit more evidence because there's another case to look at. So in 2016, after locals heard about the connection to the old attack in 1995. So local people start to, you know, they talk to a cop, who talked to a cop who told the civilian, who told another civilian, and then locals start to, they've made a connection in the serial killer case. It was suggested to police that they double check

a break-in that had happened in the 80s and check that against the match samples. So people start talking and they're like, well, since you know he did it before, why don't you check this attempted rape of a break- in? And I know it's not a same case, but we could at least, there was DNA in that case and we could pull evidence against it. The break in rape DNA was in fact a match. So now in 2016, police have this evidence. Now not only did he do the three serial killings, he also raped someone in a cemetery

and then also attempted to rape someone by breaking into their house. In the 80s, he would have been young. He would have been like 16 to 18 somewhere around there. So police had now drawn the conclusion without the public knowing that in 1988, a man broke into a home but was run out. And then in 1995, that same man abducted a 17-year-old

off the street, drove her to a cemetery where he beat and then raped her and left her to die, but she survived. And then in 1996 through 1997 went on to become the Claremont serial killer. That everyone knows about. Holy crap. They had his DNA, but they didn't have him. There's no match. When they run the DNA, there's no match in Kodas. So they're like, great. We now have more cases, but we still don't have the guy. We need the guy. So, yeah, so how do they find a guy? And all this is happening without the

public even knowing that they continue to make these these conclusions. So I assume they're basically waiting at this point for that guy's DNA to come someone him to get arrested him to come, you know, get a DUI and then his DNA something to happen. As they're waiting for this something to happen, they're also going, are there any other cases that we haven't looked at? That could he could have done, right? So police found an evidence when looking back at the 1988 home invasion attempt by our serial killer, that there had been another attempted break in in the same city that year. Oh my God. And they hadn't originally drawn these two together, but then after looking, we're like, maybe it was the same guy. This other attempt was a man in a woman's 90, like a dress, a women's night gown, which

I thought was strange. Had opened a sliding glass door to break in, but then they were awake. And so he was scared off. He left four fingerprints on the door in this break in. And when police run those fingerprints, they come back to a man named Bradley Robert Edwards. No way. This is how they found him.

OK. He was already in the database with his fingerprints, not, but not for his DNA. And the reason he was in the database for his fingerprints was because he had attacked a social worker while on a job once and got arrested for it. He was given probation for that attack.

He attacked her, nothing happened. Like, she ran off, he got scared, he ran off. She's like, hey, you attacked me, he gets arrested, he gets put on probation for it, and he keeps his job at telecom. Like, they don't, even though he was on the job when he made this attack, they don't fire him. They needed to obtain Bradley's DNA though to make a positive ID to the Claremont serial killer. Because think all they're thinking is we have these four fingerprints ID and now we have this unknown DNA.

We'll run them and we'll run his DNA. We'll get his DNA somehow and run it and see if it's the same guy. If it matches, okay. So they follow him into a movie theater under cover cops, follow him into a movie theater undercover cops follow him into a movie theater No way and when he gets up to leave the theater He was drinking a sprite and he left the sprite in the cup holder when he stood up to leave like I'm total like a movie Yes, so following grab the straw literally they wait for everyone to clear out Wow, they they do it like protocol everything. They know they have to be smart about it They bag it. They take it and they test the DNA

Bada being bada boom. We have our serial killer, it's the same guy. Crazy. This comes out of trial. Janing Kira's throats had been cut with what they thought was a knife in a sewing motion. So it wasn't like a slit, it was a sewing motion. There had been a telecom knife found near one of the bodies that had been dumped years earlier when they found the body. They found this knife, but they didn't know who to, you know, but then once they had him,

they were like, this is solid piece of evidence. We found this knife years ago before we were even on to you. Detectives managed to match his DNA to a fragment found under Kira's fingernail. Prosecutors said that there were material fibers found on the bodies of Kira and Jane that had also come from Bradley's clothing and car. So they take the DNA evidence on them and say their bodies were in his car at one point. Jane and Kira's bodies were found in the same pose but just mirrored. All these facts about the case come out at trial.

That their bodies when found have actually been posed in the same pose, but just mirrored. So he totally was like a serial killer, that. Oh, totally. And I would imagine that Sarah's body is probably posed in the same way. So Kira's body had been covered by leaves. Well, both of the bodies had been covered, but this one had been covered by leaves

that were pulled from a tall tree that was nearby. They made that connection when they were investigating and this was a clue for them at the time because the tree was high. And so they were like he would do have had been at least this tall to be able to reach up and pull branches. So they had like a cap of how tall their suspect had to be. Again, information that wasn't released to the public. Like we know our suspect has to be at least this tall, you know, a little bit before the arrest of Bradley. Police had randomly released video footage that they had had for years of Sarah the night she went missing. I was going to ask about cameras, but then I just figured out there's probably nothing.

So there was. And people were like, Hey, where's the video footage? They never came out with it. And they were like, maybe the cameras were working or something. Years later, a little bit before the arrest, police randomly are like, hey, let's hold a press conference. We have this video footage of Sarah, and they release it. And this is a huge bombshell for everyone, because police know that there's activity going on in this case, but everyone else is like this case is dead. And now police finally released this video footage of Sarah. So it was huge. Like everyone was speculating. It was the biggest piece of evidence in this case.

And at trial, more of this footage comes out, but they that part hasn't been released to the public. So we still only have the little bit that was released before he was arrested. And this footage seems to be a big deal to a lot of the sources, but I'm guessing because a lot of the sources were before this most recent trial. And so this was the biggest piece of evidence. But really, and I do get the video footage of someone minutes before they go missing forever is a big deal. So don't get me wrong, I understand that's a big deal. But there's nothing in this video footage that points to Bradley or points to anything that happened. I think, I mean, I'm no way am I a professional this, but I would assume that's probably why they didn't release all this because if it went to court and they found him or I just I feel like there was enough to convict him. So there was never. So well,

so they release it and there's a guy that comes up in this footage. Her friends leave, remember her friends left her and she was gonna keep hanging out. She's leaning against this pole. And in the footage, a guy walks up and she recognizes him, she goes, hey, you can't hear it,

but you can see her wave and they sit and they have a conversation and everyone before trial is like, oh my gosh, this guy killed her like this guy is a huge deal. And then I can't get clarification on whether or not that guy was Bradley. Oh, I can't figure it out. I don't think it is because I think people would clarify this guy that was this huge bombshell on this footage was Bradley after, you know, after they made the connection to the two, but it wasn't. I don't think it was. No one clarifies that it was.

And so, to me, it's kind of like I see that the weight this video has in this case because it's Sarah's last moments and there's something especially eerie and just almost spiritual about seeing someone in their last moments before tragedy happens, right? But at the same time, it has absolutely nothing to do with the conviction of Bradley. Got it.

So to me, it's like it's a big deal, but... So are you sure it's not him or are you not sure? I'm not sure because there was no one that ever came forward and said yes and no, I did find a YouTube comment that said it was, but also I feel like it was a YouTube comment. But yeah, no, there was no source that specified that the man in the video footage from Sarah was Bradley.

And I feel like that would have been huge in the case if it had been. Despite Bradley's plead of not guilty, he comes and says, I didn't do these murders. The judge declares him guilty of Jane Rimmer and Kira Glennon's murders. He says, although, but Bradley, I do believe that you did kill Sarah. There's not enough evidence to charge you with that without her body. And I want to not risk you appealing on that. And so I'm not going to charge you with murder because I don't want you to have the ability to appeal.

So I'm only going to charge you with the two. And he sentenced and Bradley never ever released where Sarah's body is. And he's sentenced for, like life in prison? We'll never get out without parole. Never get out, yep. I actually think he is, can be given parole, but it's too late, like he'll probably be dead. So did he ever admit that he killed them?

Or he's still go down saying I did it? He still has gone down saying he didn't do it and police came forward and were like, hey, please tell us where Sarah's body is for her family. We just talked about this in an earlier episode. It's the worst thing you can do to a family is, I killed her, but I'm not gonna tell you what she is. And he said, no, I didn't do it.

Oh my gosh. And her body still has a bad habit. So messed up. Yeah, but that is the now updated and solved case of the Claremont serial killer. It's crazy to see a case, because you see him quite a bit, all these co-cases from the 90s to 80s, whenever it is, and they get solved years later.

From DNA, we've seen a huge shift in that, and it's awesome. It's great. This case was solely solved because of DNA testing. Yeah. I mean, it took a lot of strands and a lot of effort and a lot of testing and a lot of guessing, but you know, do they think that he might have killed other people or do you think it was just those three? I think it well those three and then the attacks he had done previously, the attempted attacks.

I don't think that they think he killed anyone else. I always wonder that about serial killers like if there's people who had been killed and just nobody has any idea. I don't think he would be the one to admit it either if he's not even willing to admit that he did the clamor points. So messed up. Yeah, and just he would have been married. It's just weird.

It's just strange. It just feels weird. All of it's, yeah, that's sad. I'm glad they solved it though, I am. Yes, I am glad to. And it's also crazy because the police did receive a lot of heat for this case because it felt to the public as if it lot of heat for this case because it felt to the public as if it had been dead for years.

I feel like they did a pretty good job. I do too behind the scenes. They might not have been openly communicating with the public. They had everything ready though. They solved this, you know what I mean? So they did receive a lot of heat for focusing only on lands and focusing only on the taxi drivers, but just behind the scenes with new eyes and everything they did actually take this and solve it by using pretty good detective work in my opinion.

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