Murder With My Husband - 61. Paul Ezra Rhoades – The Grocery Store Killer

Episode Date: May 24, 2021

On this episode of MWMH, Payton and Garrett discuss serial killer, Paul Ezra Rhoades. LIVE ONLINE SHOW TICKETS HERE! https://www.moment.co/murderwithmyhusband Case Sources: http://www.fdsidaho.org/clemency/rhoades/full_story.html https://odp.idaho.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/114/2019/12/Methamphetamine-2018_Update.pdf Ice Cold Killers: Blizzard of Bullets - https://www.vudu.com/content/movies/play/637450/PURCHASED_CONTENT?returnUrl=%252Fcontent%252Fmovies%252Fdetails%252FIce-Cold-Killers-Season-3%252F637430 http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/US/rhoades1277.htm https://murderpedia.org/male.R/r1/rhoades-paul.htm   Links: https://linktr.ee/murderwithmyhusband   Ads: https://takecareof.com Enter Code “MWMH50”. https://GreenChef.com/90MWMH Enter Code “90MWMH” Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/murderwithmyhusband) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Okay, so our case this week was actually suggested multiple times and you'll understand why once we get into it. But like any case, this case actually rocked the small town that it happened in and it actually happened in East Idaho. So this is a hometown murder for me. It's a case that happened in my town and it was suggested multiple times because Shout out to my dad a lot of his friends listen to our podcasts and they all were alive during the time that this happened And so they all have suggested it to me multiple multiple times and then anytime I call my dad and he's with them

They're like, hey, where are you gonna do that case? So guys this one is for you, you old farts. We are doing the case of Paul Ezra Rhodes. Okay, let's do it. Our case sources are fdsideho.org, odp.ideho.gov. An episode of ice cold killers called Blizzard of Bolits and ClarkProssecutor.org as well as Murderpedia, obviously. Arcase starts in Blackfoot, Idaho, which you know where that is.

I do know that is. This is where 21-year-old newlywed Stacy Larson was working the night shift at a local convenience store. Stacy is described as a tough girl who knew who she was. She was kind and confident. She stood up for those around her. February 28th, 1987. Just after midnight, some of Stacey's friends decided

to rent some movies from the store that Stacey was working at. So this is when you actually like had to go in. There's no, yeah, there was no. I love those days. So her little convenience store, she worked out how to couple movies to choose from so they're like Oh, we'll just go random from the store while walking into the store Stacey's friends are actually almost hit by a pickup truck that was driving

Manically Considering the condition of the roads this time of year basically black foot is about 30 minutes away from my hometown of Idaho Falls and in the winter months that sadly are honestly last from like October to early April, even sometimes May, the weather can be brutal. It's cold, it's snowing all of the time and the roads are icy. I usually drove like an average of 20 miles per hour basically any time it snowed and due to the small town atmosphere there are not a ton of snow plows to take care of the snow fast enough so it freezes over and gets icy.

So Stacey's friends just assume it's a drunk driver that almost hit them in this parking lot, I mean it's the middle of the night. When they walk into the convenience store, they see Stacey's purse, her car is still in the parking lot, but no Stacey. They don't believe that she would have walked out on a shift. They feel something bad has happened to her. Her friends call the police immediately. When Blackfoot police arrived just after midnight, they discovered that about $200 was missing from the register. Stacey's friends tell police about a dark green pickup truck who almost hit them in the parking lot, and that the person inside had long dark hair.

Police contact Stacey's husband, and he is shocked about his wife's disappearance. Blackfoot Police set up searches around the area, the fields, the land, a local dentist who had volunteered to help with slowly driving around the area, kind of early the next morning, when he passed two dumpsters on the side of the road. That's when he noticed the blood stained snow. And that's all he could see. Also, black foot is not very big. And 1987, it would be even smaller.

And so you have to imagine this guy, the dentist, that is found this snow. He drove down a long road. There's not much on it. And then he just passes some random dumpsters and sees the snow. When they further investigated the blood stained snow, they found Stacey's body. She was dumped in the snow near the dumpsters and had been shot multiple times.

What the heck? The sun was beginning to rise and the snow she was surrounded by could possibly start to melt soon if the temperatures rose. Police noted the truck tire marks around the body and two sets of footprints. So she was dead? She was just found shot dead. Yes. OK.

There were also 38 caliber revolver shell casings around the body, as well as an 18-inch long hair on Stacy's sweater that didn't match her hair. Detectives note that Stacy's watch that she usually wore was missing off of her wrist. After digesting what they had found, police come up with an early idea of what might have happened. she usually wore was missing off of her wrist. After digesting what they had found, police come up with an early idea of what might have happened. They think that Stacey somehow

fought off her attacker in the truck, who had kidnapped her from the convenience store she was working at that night, and she opened the passenger door and began running away. Her attacker then chased after her, firing multiple rounds at her, but missing. It wasn't until one hit her in the arm that Stacy fell down in the snow. Stacy's killer then needed to reload his revolver after missing so many times. So he dumped the old casings out on the ground and then reloaded. So a revolver gun doesn't actually just discharge the casings. You have to actually dump them out. So that's why police are like, it's kind of weird that these casings are here.

But then they realized he shot so many times he had to dump and reload. Oh man. So it was probably the last, the last round that hit her. So Stacy, who was still on the ground at this point while her attacker is reloading, maneuvers her way to the dumpsters policing for protection. Because it was the only thing out there, so she's trying to hide, I guess. But her attacker actually followed her, like walked over to her and shot her from close range two more times. With the new bullets.

The attacker then gets back in his car and leaves. But Stacy's wounds weren't immediately fatal. She'd only been shot. So she sat in the freezing cold, bleeding out until she passed away. And she sat there for quite a while. This is awful. This is so messed up.

To this day, I still don't get how you can walk up, to shoot her killer and be like, right? All right, bye. I'm taking off. Police obviously run through early suspects, suspicious and creepy customers from the convenience store that all employees knew about. They're like, oh, check this guy, check this guy.

But all immediate suspects are cleared. There is no lead on the green truck, no lead at all in the case. Until 16 days later, we are now moving to my hometown of Idaho Falls. On the night of March 16, 1987, 23-year-old Nolan Haddon is also working at a convenience store but this time in Idaho Falls. Nolan's brother Clay, who had never been to Nolan's work, decided to randomly visit him that night. Nolan's mother Julie says that Nolan loved working at the store because it gave him some extra spending money.

He was on track to graduate as a radiation technician. Nolan was very active, the youngest of three boys. He was friendly and loved to be outdoors. He had many friends. Clay, his brother, says that he left the store around 10.30 p.m. So Clay is like randomly on a ghostly Nolan at work, goes, hangs out with him for a bit

and then leaves at 10.30 p.m. And says, Nolan was doing great when he left. You know, he was about to close up. Everything was good. The next day around 6am, another convenience store clerk shows up for the morning shift at Nolan's work. She was surprised to find the front door to the store unlocked and the telephone was off the hook, dangling from the spiral court. And I do just want to give a fun fact. My parents actually just moved and the convenience store that is taking place in our story right now is right down the road from my new house. Yes. Well, I didn't know that. Yeah, it hasn't been to my parents new house yet, but we'll pass it. You'll

know exactly which one I'm talking about and we'll pass it on the way to the point. I don't know if I want to go in it now. I know. So the new clerk is surprised to find the front door open. as I said, and the cash register was opened. And the clerk noticed a bloody footprints on the floor. So immediately she's on high alert. She decides to call her boss who shows up and together they found they begin searching the store and they found Nolan on the floor in a pool of blood in the stores walk in refrigerator room. What? So it's kind of where they keep supplies, cold supplies, beer, stuff like that,

and he's on the floor in a pile of blood in that room. So most likely it's the same person that did it in Blackfoot now into Idaho Falls and killed Nolan. Yes, he can eat in the store again late at night. So they are both actually surprised to find a faint pulse on Nolan upon checking him. So it seems as if he was dying from blood loss in hypothermia because he's in the freezer. But they're like, oh my gosh, you know, call the ambulance. Like he's alive. So the owner applies pressure on the wound

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There's a lot of people in and out of there. Whoa, how would you organize all of that? Right, it's going to take time, especially back in the 80s to decipher all of this. They photographed the bloody footprints that looked, they say it looked like a boot, as if a boot had made the footprints. Okay. And they note that $160 was taken from the register as well as some cigarettes and some lighters. But there were still $1900 sitting in an unlocked safe in the convenience stores.

So I was going to ask about that. It's kind of not making sense to me why he's taking such little amount of money. Yes. Especially if he's killing someone, it's not like he's trying to stay undercover by taking. Right. Right. So you're, you caught on to that a lot faster because police also begin to feel like Nolan's attack wasn't necessarily about the money. Yeah.

Why did they leave so much money? Why didn't they take a lot? They recover five, 38 caliber bullets from the-in cooler, noting that some of them hadn't hit Nolan. They also found some burned paper bags and a lighter in the refrigerator as well. It's noted that the last transaction on the stores register was at 1017 pm. The store was supposed to close at 11 pm, and that's when police sink the attacker showed up, took Nolan into the cooler and shot him five times. One bullet severed his spine, which meant that he couldn't walk or move out of the cooler despite being alive, which is why they found him in the cooler. Police figure out that the paper bags had most likely been lit on fire by Nolan

himself, who was most likely trying to stay warm the whole entire night in the cooler. No way until he was found the next morning. That's crazy. He would sit there for almost eight hours bleeding out having been paralyzed because he was shot in the spine before being discovered the next day by the worker and the manager. Police notified Nolan's family about the attack and then also recognize the similarities between their case and the murder case that happened in Blackfoot just a little over two

weeks earlier. Both convenience store workers, both night shifts, both shot, both with 38 caliber bullets. They sent the bullets to comparisons and they confirmed that they matched. It was the same shooter who had shot Stacey and Blackfoot and now had shot Nolan in Idaho Falls. Despite the similarities, the only thing stumping detectives was that Stacey had looked like been attempted to be sexually assaulted and Nolan had not. So why would a serial killer cross-gender? Why a girl and then a boy? Question, did anyone see the truck again by chance?

Not in the Idaho Falls shooting. Okay, got it. Police discovered that Nolan had actually switched shifts with a woman who usually worked that night. So police think that the attacker had stayed to the place out, knew this woman's schedule, showed up that night, figuring she would be there there but was surprised to find Nolan so they do think he was actually trying to target a woman but ended up targeting Nolan okay back

at the hospital Nolan was fighting for his life but the hypothermia and loss of blood overcame him Nolan didn't make it he didn't survive after surgery oh man Nolan unfairly and unjustly was taken too soon and his family was destroyed. Nolan's brother is so grateful that he had the random idea to stop in and see Nolan that night before. And he knows that that happened for a reason. He knows that he was like, he felt the feeling to go there for a reason. Do you know if he died more from the gunshots or being cold? He died from a combination of hypothermia and loss of blood. So both.

Panic begins to spread throughout East Idaho. And East Idaho includes both Blackfoot and Idaho Falls. They obviously have maybe a serial killer before these murders. A lot of people believe that nothing like this could ever happen in these small towns of Idaho. They were small. All sorts of calls being began pouring into police. Neighbors throwing other neighbors under the bus. Like, oh, it was this guy. It was this guy. It was this girl. Yeah. Chaos began ensuing. Sifting through these tips was hard and it made it even worse when a man falsely confessed that he had done these

killings and then went back and recanted. Why would someone do that? I don't know. I don't know. So, police filled the burden of trying to close this case. Local convenience stores and surrounding counties were warned. The killer was still on the loose and this was his M.O. like convenience stores. Police videotape and stake out both Stacey and Nolan's funerals in hopes of finding suspicious

behavior, but no one stands out. Police are doing all they can, but they really are no closer to finding the perpetrator. And then, on March 19th, the day of Nolan's funeral, only a few days, it's actually only three days after Nolan was shot. The police department receives a missing person report from a concerned husband in Idaho Falls. 34-year-old teacher Susan had stayed home from work that morning but had actually had to head to the school to drop off the lesson plan. So she felt

sick but she's like I have to go drop off the lesson plan for the substitute and then I'll be home to rest. She never came home. When Idaho Falls releases the image of Susan to spread the word and spread awareness, calls come in from witnesses who had seen her at a grocery store by herself that morning. A search has started for Susan as police feel like it might be related to the other murders happening. I mean, what are the chances that this many crimes can be happening in one small town? And she was at a grocery store. Convenient store grocery store.

Yes, as we know, the more time that goes by in an abduction, the less likely they will be found alive. So 24 hours after Susan had been last seen, her van is found abandoned on some random road in Idaho Falls. The only clue to the disappearance, police collect long brown hairs that weren't Susan's in the van. They find her checkbook in the van and it shows several checks written out

totaling around $2,000. It appears as if Susan's abductor had made her drive around town to different banks to pull cash out. So it also seems like, well, not seems like, but this guy obviously or a girl, obviously has long ground hair. Yes. This is how they found it on the second scene. Yes. Police find scrap marks, rocks and grass under the frame of the car and the will. So this car is kind of trashed. Deputies are sent out to the west side of Idaho Falls around Highway 20 because they

noted that the grass that was stuck in the van looked particular to this specific area in Idaho Falls. They noticed that an area fence around this place looked as if it had been driven through. And so police began, you know, they get out, they began searching the area by foot. And they actually come upon some school assignments on the ground that were from Susan's class that she had corrected. Oh, it's so sad. So police are like crap.

Our hunch was right, we are close. Susan has been here. Keep in mind, it's cold, it's snowing, the fields are covered in snow. While scanning the area, an officer sees Susan's body. All hopes of saving her fade as they see the blood in the snow and they discover her dead. Oh my God, she's three people now. And he's killed.

In like two weeks. And she had been shot nine times and sexually assaulted. Susan had been abducted from the grocery store parking lot that day around 7am. So people saw her at the grocery store. And then she was abducted from the parking lot. It looks like Susan had also tried to run away from her attacker once they got to the field and was shot in the back. Once down, the attacker unloaded his revolver, dropping casings once again, and the attacker then continued to fire at an already wounded Susan.

I feel like he's so careless. I agree, which I'm surprised he hasn't been caught yet because he's so careless. He's just dumping his casings everywhere. He's just picking people out of parking lots, dropping shell casings. And broad daylight, that was the morning time, right? Yes, this one was in daylight. So the other two were at night,

and this one was daylight. And also, I didn't see anything that said this, but just a personal hunch. I do think it's weird that the two girls that he or she can nap into their truck and took out to a random open area, both happened to escape from the truck and run away. I think he let them out just to chase them. I think it was like a game.

Like it's like a game. Well, I don't think so much stuff. What are the chances that the doors unlock all of the sudden and they're both able to get out and run away? Yeah. Find that weird. So a 16.5 inch long brown hair was actually shot through Susan's body and lodged into her heart.

This means that it was like laying on her skin and then the bullet went in and clipped the hair and took it into her heart. And it was the same hair from Stacy's case, the same hair from Susan's's case, the same hair from Susan's fan. The 38-calibral bullets are matched to the previous cases. It was the same attacker. So the same attacker attacked Stacey and Blackfoot, attacked Nolan in Idaho Falls, and now attacked Susan in Idaho Falls, and all three victims have passed away.

The next part is going to show you just how small Idaho Falls was at this time. The farm hand that was near the field where Susan was shot out in the middle of nowhere had heard the gunshots. Like he was just sitting there working, heard these random gunshots was like okay that was kind of weird. He cautiously made his way out to the main road, just in time to see a red van driving east on the road. As the van passed to the farmhand where he was standing, he realized he knew the driver. He put up his hand to wave, because the person driving Susan's red minivan back into town was the farmhand's own cousin. No way. Yes, his cousin's name is Paul Ezra Rhodes.

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His family had a history of neglect, domestic violence, drug abuse, and mental illness. It's pretty safe to say that Paul's family was not a cohesive family, it was very, very rough. His father didn't help raise him or his siblings, and Paul contracted polio at four years old. He then went on to have multiple complications for years due to the disease and was unable to participate in any sports or physical activity growing up. He grew up on 6th Street in Idaho Falls, and he was introduced by his father and

grandpa to drugs at the age of 10 years old. Paul dropped out of high school at age 16 and began working for his uncle until he became heavily addicted to meth in the 1980s. Not so fun fact, Idaho ranks eighth in the nation for meth use in 2016. Is it really? Yeah, and approximately one Idahoan dies every week for meth.

These were in 2016, these statistics. It's also studied that an inmate with history of methamphetamine use is nine times more likely to have committed murder than an inmate without history of methamphetamine use. So if an inmate like uses meth, he's nine times more likely to have killed someone. Is that not crazy? That's a crazy statistic. Also, all of our sources for these statistics are linked in our bio along with our case sources.

Police discover, once having a name, that Paul Rhodes was in trouble for breaking into a lingerie shop, performing a sexual act on a store mannequin in the shop, and then shooting that said mannequin with a 38 caliber bullet. What in the world that's so weird. Yes, so he got in trouble with this before all of these murders happen. Once they find out who it is, they look up his record and discover this. And I include this because this, he just escalated.

He escalated. He broke into a store and did it on a live person. He went from like fake to real. On a mannequin and then shot the mannequin and then decided to do it to a like a living person now three people in two weeks Yes, he's definitely like on a rampage. Yeah Detectives head to Paul's home only to find his mom there and she claims that Paul had come home and stolen her car and then left Police decide to release Paul's picture all over the news Police decide to release Paul's picture all over the news hoping someone might see the now fugitive and it works

Because a trucker calls police in Nevada and says that he thinks he saw Paul Crash his car get out of it and drop a gun on the ground and then leave So I'm assuming when he saw the farmer when he saw his cousin. Yes, he went, oh crap, I need to get out of here. Yes. Exactly. Yes. Thank you for pulling that together. He was like, now someone recognized me driving missing Susan's van.

I've got to leave. So he immediately left the state with quite a bit of money from the one registered the other register and then $2,000 from Susan's accounts. Nevada police head to the scene and they discover the revolver, the exact gun used in all three murders back in Idaho. They call Idaho police and let them know that Paul Ezra Rhodes, their wanted fugitive,

was playing Blackjack inside one of their casinos after crashing his car outside. So how does that work with the different state boundaries and so forth? So I'm not positive if you know this go ahead of message, but what I think happens is Nevada could arrest and charge for Crashing a car and leaving it and charge him and do whatever they want with that But they will most likely release him back into custody and I had hope falls to be charged with the murders of those because I do know

That like sometimes one criminal can be charged in multiple counties depending on where the murder happens. Does that make sense? Yeah. So police head into the casino in a rest-pull who still had blood on his clothes from Susan's murder. And you just he was just sitting down playing blackjack with all the money he had collected. Yes. Oh he's crazy. And he still had the blood on his clothes from Susan's murder. He had five lighters in his pocket from Nolan's store. Remember how lighters were missing? The five of them were in his pocket from Nolan's store. And he had Stacy's wristwatch in his jacket.

So he didn't even care about being caught. No, he literally had ties on his person to all three victims in Idaho. He did. He didn't care at all. No, he was just. Mm-hmm. Paul was eventually extradited back to Idaho where detectives interrogated him about all three murders. Paul says, yes, I did it all.

He laces head down on the table and goes to sleep. So it wasn't even like a fight. He was saying yes, he did it. And actually, this comes into when he begins to appeal his case, this comes up as a problem. I'm not going to go into detail of it. But he was saying he did it and actually this comes into when he begins to appeal his case. This comes up as a problem I'm not going to go into detail of it But he was saying he did it already to the Nevada police and then once I told police showed up He said yeah, yeah, I did it and then once he got into interrogation

He said once again. Yes, I did it this comes into a problem because apparently Nevada police hadn't read him Miranda's rights yet Before he said yes, I did it his appeal gets denied there like no that that's done You yeah, whatever. Paul Ezra Rhodes pleads guilty to all three murders and is charged separately for all three. He is sentenced to life for Nolan's murder and to death for Stacey and Susan's murder. So how does that work?

Because is Idaho have the death penalty? Do you know? At the time, yes. Or else he wouldn't have been able to be charged for it. Got it. So actually, on November 18th, 2011, at 915 AM, This time, yes. Okay. Or else he wouldn't have been able to be charged for it. Got it. So actually, on November 18, 2011, at 9.15 a.m., Paul Ezra Rhodes was executed by lethal injection in eye control.

Oh, wow. Okay. He's the last person to be executed on death penalty in Idaho. So 2011. So it's kind of a big deal. It kind of yes, it is a big deal. So Paul was actually offered hot dogs, sour, crout, mustard, ketchup, onions, relish baked beans, veggie sticks and rants dressing, along with fruit and strawberry ice cream cups for his last meal. This is the same meal that's

offered to all Idaho, Mexico, and security inmates. They don't get to like choose in Idaho. His last words right on before getting executed was this. To Bert, who is Susan's husband and I'm purposely leaving their last name out, I am sorry for the part I played in your wife's death. For Hadin and Baldwin, which is Stacy and Nolan, I can't help you. You still have to keep looking.

I'm sorry for your family, but I can't help you. I took part in Susan's murder, but I can't help you guys. I'm sorry Wait, what? Yes, so he pled guilty at first and then after sitting in prison for a couple years said actually I only did Susan's murder keep in mind the only physical witness was for Susan's murder because the cousins saw him So why would he plead guilty to the other two then? I don't know. I don't know where along the way that he changed his mind and decided that he was... Or maybe he did it with...

Well, there was no evidence of doing it with someone. But only in Susan's because someone saw the van and said, oh, I saw Paul, but I also saw like Paul's cousin and Paul's girlfriend, like it was the whole like Rhodes family in the van. With the end of the van. Someone said that. Now at trial, the state didn't come with that. They said it was only Paul alone, but someone comes forward, a witness and says, no, I saw

the whole Rhodes family in the van. So something's fishy. Something's fishy. I'm not going to go into like small town talk, which is why I'd not like. Talking about it too much. Yes. But someone does at trial comfort and say, no, I saw more than just Paul in that van. I saw a whole group of people. And then a lot of people think a whole group of people helped with these murders, or at

least with Susan's, because that's where it was seen. But the state says, no, they tried him as Paul and Paul only committing these murders. And we'll probably never know because he's dead. Well, he's dead. And I'm sure the line they're not going to open the case back. No, and by the time he got to like his deathbed, he wasn't going, oh, no, actually it was all three of us. I don't know. He said, no, I didn't actually even do two of them. What the heck?

Okay. He then said goodbye to his mom and he turned to the executioner and uttered, I forgive you. I really do for killing him. Oh, it's kind of eerie. It is eerie. That's the end of the case. Okay.

But I am going to go over something. There is some speculation that he might have killed in Utah first, because there were a couple convenience store workers who were murdered in Utah around the same time before all of this happened. No one knows who it was. No one knows. No one has made the connection. No one has matched fingerprints or anything. What party of Utah?

I don't know. It just kind of brought up Utah. Then also, the witnesses came forward saying that there were more in the van. But that's the only speculation about this case. I will say growing up in Idaho, I did hear a lot more rumors about this case, but I couldn't find any solid source for that. So, you know, like it's just not worth it to include it. But yeah, that is the case of Paul Ezra Rhodes. Wow, that's crazy.

I think what interests me the most was the end. Really? Out of nowhere, it just got like... How he got caught or how he said he didn't do it. No, how he said he didn't do it. I don't know where it was just like. Yeah. But also, he was wearing the watch.

Yes. He had the lighters. And he said he didn't kill them. So... It doesn't, yeah. I don't think there's any doubt that he didn't kill Stacy and other people weren't involved. Maybe there's a little bit of like it's a little weird there.

Okay. But I don't think there's any doubt that Paul Ezra Rhodes was not involved in all three of these. Yes. I agree. And I just feel like he was on a rampage. It's he was in a spiral. It's very it's the behavior of killing all three

and under two weeks, taking money, driving all the way to Nevada, gambling after crashing the car and dropping the murder weapon. You know what I mean? Like it's just a spiral, he was spiraling out of control. So I did ask my mom and dad, I said, hey, so what was this like?

They were in like middle school, high school time. In, I had a whole false, what was it like for you? As those two week rampages going on, like what was this like personally for you living through it? And my mom said that she remembered not being scared because she was young enough that she would have never gone to a grocery store convenience store by herself.

She remembers like thinking that, like, well, I probably won't be picked because I will never be there alone, but she does remember being scared for her mom, and telling her, my mom, don't go anywhere alone, don't go anywhere alone, because that's who he's picking people from his like this convenience store grocery store,

which I just think is crazy. Yeah, it's kind of weird. It's all about self preservation. Like you're just like, I just don't, this is scary in a community. It's scary. It's terrifying and it happens all the time. So yeah, that is the story of Paul Ezra Rhodes and also the story of Susan Nolan and Stacey. I don't want to forget about them. I don't want their stories to die. So let's remember them. And keep in mind that we have the Patreon episode. It's out now as you're listening to die. So let's remember them and keep in mind that we have

the Patreon episode. It's out now as you're listening to this. If you want to check it out, the link is in the description. And we will see you guys next week for another episode. I love it. And I hate it. Goodbye.

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