Murder With My Husband - 92. The River Valley Killer

Episode Date: December 27, 2021

On this episode of MWMH, Payton and Garrett discuss the River Valley Killer. LIVE ONLINE SHOW TICKETS HERE! https://www.moment.co/murderwithmyhusband Case Sources: https://www.oxygen.com/snapped/cr...ime-news/who-were-river-valley-killers-victims https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/44011885/juanita-a.-wofford https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/31867445/ruth-pearl-henderson Ads: My fitness pal: https://www.myfitnesspal.com/ code HUSBAND HelloFresh: HelloFresh.com/Husband14 and use code husband14  Best Fiends https://linktr.ee/murderwithmyhusband  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:25 Yes, you energy. Energy for everything. Casp the banner now to learn more. Hey everybody, welcome back to our podcast. This is Murder with My Husband. I'm Peyton Morlens. And I'm Garrett Morlens. And he's the husband.
Starting point is 00:00:35 I'm the husband. Well, if you are watching on YouTube, you know that we definitely look different because we are in a different studio because we are visiting family for the holidays. But it's the holidays and we are still here. Yeah, we are. We're here. We would never let you down. We would never leave you guys. All right, you guys. So we did just want to remind everyone about our Patreon. There are bonus episodes on there. It's also just a great way to support the show.
Starting point is 00:00:59 So you can just find us on there at patreon.com slash murder with my husband. All right, Gary, you have your 10 seconds. So for my 10 seconds, I did see quite a bit of comments about the witcher. I mentioned last time. So everyone is mentioning that. And so I don't know, I'm on episode, sorry, season two, episode two. So I haven't gotten that far yet, but it's pretty good so far. Paying doesn't even know what I'm talking about. No, I know. He said it might be about witches, so maybe. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:01:28 We actually were still kind of watching the walking dead. I know, we kind of like stopped a little bit. But I won't lie, did star one tree hill because I've never seen it. And Garrett's kind of been tuning in with me on that. So we're all in on the drama. I won't admit that. Also, like Payton said, we are not at our studio right
Starting point is 00:01:46 now. I'm wearing California visiting some family for the holiday. So happy holidays, everybody. Yeah, happy holidays. We're excited. Yeah, we're actually super excited. I know we do like this time of year. We didn't put any lights up on our house. No. We should have put a big grinch up. Yeah, but I did actually want to say I know this time of year can be lonely for some people. So if that's the case, we we're here with you, we're listening with you, we're talking to you and we just want to let you know that we're here and we love you guys. Alright, so our case today was actually suggested by Wallace. So thank you, Wallace, for sending this in our case sources are oxygen.com. It's actually like a snapped episode on this was really good. Find a grave.com and legacy.com. So every week on Murder with My Husband, I sit here and tell Garrett and you guys
Starting point is 00:02:31 horrific and brutal stories of true crime. And oftentimes these cases are the usual story. The husband who murdered his wife and faked grief. The boyfriend who showed all of the red flags until he finally killed his girlfriend. The friends who decided in their teenager brains that the only way to exact revenge would be murder. All of these are stories with motive, if you will. Motive that really doesn't make sense, but at least we have the one answer we are all here for. Why do people do these awful things? But there are cases out there where the reason for murder isn't money or revenge or freedom or bitterness. The thought much darker, scarier
Starting point is 00:03:13 and unnerving. Because if the motive for murder isn't personal, then that means someone is killing for fun or excitement or enjoyment, which we can't even fathom. There is no why with those. And if that's the case, then any of us could be the target. Because if the victim of a crime is at random, then we are all in danger of evil human beings. And today, we are going to discuss a case that entails just that random, thoughtless murder that terrorized a city, leaving everyone wondering
Starting point is 00:03:45 who was next. This is exactly why I hate it. Exactly. So this case takes place in Fort Smith, Arkansas, which is a sleepy town that sits alongside the Arkansas River, which I didn't even know there was an Arkansas River. Fort Smith is in the western part of Arkansas and actually borders Oklahoma with a population of under 90,000. Although it's the second largest town in Arkansas, it still has a small town fill according to locals. And back in the 90s, everything I just mentioned was even more.
Starting point is 00:04:16 Fort Smith was smaller, slower, and safer. That was until April 10, 1993. 89-year-old Lily Jones lives alone in her nice, small house in Forstmith, and yes, I did say 89 years old. The day has turned to night, sun has gone down as Lily gets ready for bed. Lily was actually legally blind at this point, but she was able to make it living on her own with help from like friends and neighbors. They would come over, they would help her with groceries, all that kind of stuff. So as Lily sits in her home, she hears a knock at her front door. So she makes her way to the door.
Starting point is 00:04:50 But remember, she can't see much. And she is 89 years old. A man's voice comes from the outside of her door as she cracks it open. And he says that he needs to use her phone. Lily firmly says no. She lives alone. And she can't assess the situation very well
Starting point is 00:05:05 so she doesn't feel comfortable with letting a stranger into her home. And did she open the door? Yes, she cracked it. Okay. Did she have one of those chains on it? Do you know? No, I don't think there was a chain. Okay, she just cracked it. But she just did crack it, try to hear him and then was like,
Starting point is 00:05:20 absolutely not, you're not coming in my home. Okay. And as Lily goes to close the door Everything changes the door bus open from the other side of her hands and she falls down Whoever the unknown man was on the other side of the door was now in her home. Oh my gosh So the one of those chains. That's why I asked about those chains because you can crack the door You know, yeah, but it's someone tries to come in. Yeah, so Lily tries her best to fight the man off, but there wasn't much she could do He was stronger and it's such an advantage on her as a blind old woman And I will not go into much detail here
Starting point is 00:05:55 But Lily continues to be attacked in every way you can think of in her home physically and sexually and during the attack She just stopped fighting and she actually went unconscious because she was hitting her. So when Lily woke back up, she remembered what was happening. And instead of continuing to fight, she just decided to pretend to still be asleep. So she was like, I'm just going to close my eyes and get through this and not fight back anymore, not verbalize anything. I'm just going to sit here. She's 89 years old. 89. It wasn't, you know, worth trying to physically fight him. She wasn't going to win.
Starting point is 00:06:29 Yeah. And after the man had finished, he silently got up without saying anything, leaving Lily on the floor, presumably dead. She heard him leave, but she needed to be sure. So she didn't say anything. She just sat there and she was hurt. But after some time, Lily slowly opened her eyes,
Starting point is 00:06:49 crawled her way to her phone and dialed 911. Fort Smith police immediately responded to the call and they were more shocked when they arrived. This wasn't your usual crime. From the attack to the victim, this was unique. No weapon besides the physical body had been used, and nothing had been taken from her house. No robbery, no money. The motive simply was the sexual assault. Okay. So once again, police immediately know they are looking for a very narrow
Starting point is 00:07:19 set of criminals. Rape of an elderly woman is a specific type of criminal. It's not very common. So profiling led them to believe that the criminal needed someone who couldn't fight back either a very young child or an elderly person or a different abled person. So the choice of elderly actually suggests issues with a mother or a grandmother. Now these are just profiles, not factual evidence. And there are many people who have similar childhoods and never go on to kill. So please don't think that's what we are saying. This is just what police are profiling. And he also left her alive, right? And he didn't seem like he tried to kill her. Right. Well, I mean, he beat her. He choked
Starting point is 00:07:58 her. Oh, yes. I didn't get that part. Right. I didn't go into very much to tell. But no, it was a brutal, brutal attack, and Lily actually feels like he thought she was dead when he left. Okay. So that's what she says. So she thinks he was trying to kill her? Yes. Yes. She just faked dead. Got it. So despite the brutal physical attack,
Starting point is 00:08:18 Lily survives, most likely due to her quick thinking of remaining still and faking dead, the attacker believed her to be dead and left. So Seaman was actually found at the scene, but this is the early 90s and only one laboratory at this time in the whole United States actually had the ability to test DNA. So Peyton and I actually little one not really off topic, but we were just talking about how we'd love to get to a point where we could help test DNA backlog DNA Whether that's rape kits or just unsolved cases. I think that that would be awesome
Starting point is 00:08:50 And I actually see that in our near future. I'll talk it But I just thought I'd say that because you just brought it on we were just talking about it because there is such a backlog And it's like if we have the ability to test now why aren't we right well? We aren't because of the lack of resources So hopefully we can help out with that. But the only lab that actually was testing DNA at this point was the FBI lab. And I thought that was so interesting. I've never heard of like a timeline of there was only one lab that could test DNA in the United States.
Starting point is 00:09:15 And on top of that, for this lab at this time, you actually had to send in a suspects DNA with the sample DNA to compare it to. And it wasn't like today where you can just get the profile and enter into Codus, Codus didn't exist. Not to mention, all of this took like at least a year. And so just the chance of even testing this semen was a long shot. No fingerprints were found at the crime scene either.
Starting point is 00:09:43 And Lily could not obviously give a physical description other than the fact that the man had wore gloves. And so that's why there were no fingerprints at the scene. And also she said that the man seemed familiar but she couldn't place it. She's like just the voice, the way he felt, it seemed familiar but I can't exactly like place where I feel like I know him from.
Starting point is 00:10:03 And like you mentioned earlier, you said it's a small town, but not a small town. It has a small town fill in the 90s, but it's not a small town. And the fact that he seemed familiar to Lily, led police to believe that maybe the attacker lived nearby and she had come across him before or something, but this was a small town.
Starting point is 00:10:24 Like how could this even happen? How could a local, how could someone she knew do this? So when word spreads, the 89 year old Lili Jones had been attacked and police believe it's a local panic begins to spread through the town. But despite the hype, no further clues are found. With no fingerprints, physical identification, or evidence, like police are really stuck, what are they going to do? They didn't have any of that? No, none of it. I mean, they couldn't have a physical identification from her. Okay. And there was
Starting point is 00:10:53 just no evidence left at the scene besides the scene that they can't. No, he was wearing gloves. Oh, that's right. Yeah. So two months go by with no movement on the case, but the lead they would soon get was not the one they were hoping for. In June, 58-year-old Juanita Wofford raised worry at her local church when she didn't show up for Sunday prayer circle. She was a regular, dedicated, and consistent. Not to mention, she had never married and lived alone. So Pastor J. Wells immediately sent two people over to Juanita's house to make sure that everything was okay. I mean, she's not old per se, but she's getting older. She lives alone. Like, he's a little worried. But when the two guys that he sent returned to the church with news that Juanita's door looked
Starting point is 00:11:41 like it had been broken down. And when they went to walk in, a stench that was so bad kept them out, Pastor Wells decided to call authorities. Fort Smith police responds to the call and when they come upon Juanita's home, they know the smell. It's a smell that every officer knows. Police walked through the door frame and discovered that the door had literally been kicked in. It was hanging from the hinges. Shards of woods were laying on the ground all around the door. That's how hard it had been kicked down. Like the door is obliterated, basically. A trail of blood led from the living room back to Juanita's bedroom. And when
Starting point is 00:12:21 I say a trail, I mean a dragging trail, not like blood drops. I mean like a path of dragging blood leading from the living room to the bedroom. And also, when I say blood, I mean like a lot of blood, like a large pool of blood that just like doesn't end, like a river of blood through the house. The crime scene footage walk through of this house is graphic to say the least I saw the pictures and I can literally say that out of all the cases that we have covered and the crime scene photos that I have researched I have never seen the amount of blood from a crime scene that I saw at this house. Yes, it looked like a slaughterhouse like there was just blood everywhere. A large piece
Starting point is 00:13:04 of wood from the door frame had been ripped off and was found in the living room with blood on it as if someone had been stabbed with it. And when police made their way to the bedroom, they discovered Juanita dead on her bed. I don't want, like once again, I don't want to go into gruesome details. It's not something unless absolutely necessary that we do on this podcast out of respect for the victims, but you can easily find information online if needs be, if that's something you need to see. Juanita was undressed and to put it frankly,
Starting point is 00:13:34 the scene of the bedroom was so horrid that all of the detectives and authorities who were there that day can easily say that it was hands down one of the most graphic, violent, and stomach-turning homicide scenes they had ever seen. I guess I'm just trying to rack my brain on how or why. Like her how it was so graphic. Right.
Starting point is 00:13:53 Well, there's just was she stabbed a bunch like what exactly made it so graphic. I know we're not going to go into too much detail, but everything stabbed, choked, beaten, her face was unrecognizable. She was obviously undressed. So completely different than the other murder, or not even murder than the other attack. It just, it wasn't necessarily different because that one was also brutal. This is just like to the next level. Like it was 50% to now 100%. Like it's just elevated so, so much. Juanita not only had defense wounds on her hands,
Starting point is 00:14:28 but there was actually some oddities found at the crime scene besides the amount of blood. There were handprints above the bed in blood, and someone had urinated on the wall and headborn at the crime scene. And what I mean urinated like in a, like, on purpose all over the place, not just like relieving themselves. Like they had been on purpose and like sprayed everywhere.
Starting point is 00:14:51 What is that? Oh my gosh. You're a nation at a homicide investigation is weird and behavior analysis actually suggests two things for you're a nation like this. The first is that urine can be a form of degradation on the crime scene itself, like a last attack on the victim,
Starting point is 00:15:10 a last punch to the victim, or two, it's a sexual preference that would suggest humiliation is a way for the attacker to get off, yes. So I've actually heard of this that urination can be used in sexual settings Obviously not in murder, right? But they're thinking this could be the case that this was a sexual preference here It's one or the other got it another thing about the crime that was concluded after Juanita's autopsy Was that there was necrophilia at play in this case
Starting point is 00:15:41 Which would be another strange sexual component that is not in fact a preference because this is literally illegal, so this is not a sexual preference, this is just illegal and awful. This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. Have you ever found yourself at a crossroads unsure of which direction to take in life? We all face those moments of uncertainty where the right path seems elusive. But guess what? There's a solution that can help you find clarity and confidence. We all face those moments of uncertainty where the right path seems elusive. But guess what?
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Starting point is 00:18:15 or say no, it means that someone's not denying them, someone's not putting that down. So, is Necrophyliac then, do they have to be dead? Yes. Or can it be so much unconscious? So Necrophyliac itself, they have to be dead? Or can it be so much unconscious? So necrophilia itself, they have to be dead, but I think it would be the same. It would still. It's kind of along the same lines, right?
Starting point is 00:18:33 Does it be unconscious? Yes, but no, necrophilia means they are dead, they no longer have a heartbeat. So on the wall above the couch at the crime scene was an imprint of a shoe in blood that was parallel to the floor. So, it's not just like, it's like parallel to the floor, like someone's literally floating and standing sideways. Like almost like he put a shoe up there. Right.
Starting point is 00:18:56 He'd stuck a shoe up there. Yes, so this position is obviously odd and it wouldn't make sense unless maybe the attacker had needed the leverage while attacking. Oh my God. Like that's how crazy things had got. It was upside down. Like that's how violent and brutal this attack had got. So whoever had done this had come in this house and rioted it.
Starting point is 00:19:15 Like truly awful. And it was after taking in the brutality of the crime scene and Juanitas House that forced Smith police concluded two things. Number one, they had a serial killer on their hands. Murdering and assaulting elderly women is not common really in any civilization in the world that we know of. So for two attacks to happen within two months,
Starting point is 00:19:38 in the same town is not a coincidence. There is someone attacking elderly women in Fort Smith, Arkansas. And before we keep going, I assume there's no cameras anywhere. No, definitely not. It's the 90s. I think the only cameras were like maybe at the airports, maybe I felt like there's part of it. In the 90s. Well, how would I know as a baby? Yeah, sure. But I do, I do just want to clarify that Lily Jones, the first attack she did survive. But police
Starting point is 00:20:04 think that he assumed she was dead so that would constitute a serious killer. It just wasn't nearly as brutal though. It wasn't nearly as brutal. It seems like it would be two different attackers. Right. Because one is extremely brutal. Yes. And the other one was still a violent attack.
Starting point is 00:20:18 I mean, like you said, if 50% to 100% right, right. And police conclude number two, whoever is attacking the elderly woman in Fort Smith is completely sick in the head. This is a violent gruesome, carefree attacks that are just purely evil. Police are unsure how to proceed with the known monster lurking among them. And when police are comparing the two crimes,
Starting point is 00:20:41 it's obvious that the killer is escalating, right? You just said that. He has to one up his own crime to receive the same hit that he had before. And we actually like have been like taught this by experts is that sometimes when someone is killing for fun, it's not for those motives that we were talking about earlier, they're doing it because they get a sense of adrenaline or a dopamine release like drug users would. And so when they kill, they then have to keep one upping themselves, upping the dosage,
Starting point is 00:21:13 right, to try to get the same feeling, which is such a dangerous slope to be on. Which is exactly why true crime to me just, I don't know, I can't comprehend it. Well, I don't think anyone can comprehend it, but. It's just crazy, right? Like it makes, I get, I don't get. But the ones that have motive, right, there is. Well, that's what I was talking about. It answers the why.
Starting point is 00:21:33 And this one, there's no why. Like you said, it's just because they're crazy. Like I don't know how it's gonna be. Right, and I think this is where we come in with the fascination. So to me, right, and anyone who's probably listening to this, we're fascinated for the why. We're trying to figure out the why.
Starting point is 00:21:51 And you are like annoyed. You're annoyed with the why. Like, I don't want to do this. I don't want to hear it. Right. So police actually informed Juanita's family about the murder, which she's an older woman and they have to call her family and say, hey, she was murdered in a very gruesome way.
Starting point is 00:22:11 It's awful. And the town was even more on edge now because police are like, hey, yeah, we have a serial killer like running loose in the town. So why was someone hurting such helpless, kind victims? Lili and Juanito were both loving women who were passionate about religion and had many people who cared for them. So with police eager to catch this monster, they began dissecting each crime scene. At both, there were shoe prints found outside of a window on the homes and cigarette butts under the windows as well. Okay. So this showed police that the perp most likely stood outside each victim's home
Starting point is 00:22:50 and stared in through the window for some time watching them figuring out the layout of the home. So this was definitely pre-plans. They also searched the railroad tracks that were behind Juanita's home and these tracks run through the town and maybe police are like maybe it was how the attacker had come across Juanita. So near the edge of Juanitas yard by the tracks police discover a blue baseball cap with the words no beer no work and they feel like maybe it's a good clue like why is there a random hat in her backyard near the railroad tracks. So besides DNA evidence though which is great by the way now but not so good then a good clue. Like why is there a random hat in her backyard near the railroad tracks? So besides
Starting point is 00:23:25 DNA evidence though, which is great by the way now, but not so good then, they really have nothing else to go on besides this hat. So police lay out the geography of the attacks and they discover a convenient route between both houses that literally follows the railroad tracks. So they find out that if you follow the tracks from Juanitas home, it was a nice secluded like covered by trees route that would literally pass by Lily's home. Is it passed by anyone else's home? Yes, there's multiple homes in between,
Starting point is 00:23:58 but you can literally follow the tracks to both homes. And because of this supposed route that the suspect might have used, police decided to talk to neighbors like in between these routes and find out if anyone had seen anything, this is the best thing they have to link the two victims. So based on the state of Juanitas House,
Starting point is 00:24:15 the suspect would have left with blood all over him. There was absolutely no way that he left that house clean. So how had no one seen anything? Yeah. Where, how had people not seen this person leave this house? But I mean, it sounds like the railroad, it's in the backyard, correct? Right.
Starting point is 00:24:34 So I mean, how many people are really just out in their backyard? Yeah, it was staring and... And like we said, it was a secluded railroad. So it's not like, it's just like out in the open. It wasn't like a big huge street that someone was walking down right right So local residents are afraid at this point. There are absolutely no leads and it feels like any of the elderly women could be next Like police have said there's a serial attacker. Yeah, so neighbors begin fearing other neighbors
Starting point is 00:25:00 Like no one knew if it could who who it could be. And fear spreads as everyone knows it's possibly not the last time they will see this killer. And so they're like, well, is it them? Is it them? Like, they start suspecting everyone because police have said they think it's a local person. And as people begin talking more and more about this serial killer, everyone begins referring to them as the River Valley Killer. His crimes were so horrific and terrorizing that they had now given him an infamous name, the River Valley Killer. And because of the terror, authorities begin patrolling on foot at night to keep watch. So they literally are like posting guards at night to keep watch. Anyone who was out after dark could be interviewed
Starting point is 00:25:42 and questioned, they didn't know what else to do, like they had nowhere else, like no other leads to go on. And it was during this time that tips from the community began pouring in. And around July, one specific tip sounds promising to police. Someone had seen a suspicious person walking around the train tracks at night. And that person was a man named Anthony Barnes.
Starting point is 00:26:06 Police actually knew Anthony. He had been in trouble multiple times from getting in violent fights. He carried a knife around town just looking for a fight. Honestly, police felt like it was a good lead because they really had nothing else. Anthony's cousin was brought in to be like talk to. And he told police that Anthony had actually wanted to leave town right after Juanita's murder. The cousin even brought in
Starting point is 00:26:29 clothes that he had found that belonged to Anthony that were covered in blood. What? When Anthony came in to be interviewed and like confronted with this, he claimed that the blood on those clothes was actually from him in a previous fight. It wasn't from when Juanita's murder. It was from another fight he'd got it. But they contested, right? Well, so he volunteered his DNA and he agreed to let Lily Jones, the survivor, fill his face and see if she could identify him that way. Which is interesting because normally you would do like a lineup, right? But she can't do a lineup. So they're like, if you fill him,
Starting point is 00:27:02 which so traumatizing, like you actually have to touch him, maybe you could recognize him. So Lili actually agrees and she concludes the Anthony was not the man who attacked her. And when the DNA finally came back, it didn't match the DNA collected the scenes. Now I do have to say, because I said that like DNA is hard to test,
Starting point is 00:27:21 this wasn't, this was just a blood test. So they were just testing basically to see if this blood was maybe the same type or had like the same things in it and it didn't. So they were like, we don't think that this is the same guy. And when they find this out, police back off, it was not Anthony who had done these attacks despite his menacing record. The next tip that comes in is from a young man named Jonathan Keith Coles, and he actually tells police that he had some information about a 19-year-old friend
Starting point is 00:27:51 of his that might help the investigation. His friend told him that he had broken into Miss Wofford's home and used a piece of the trim from the door frame to stab her. Police immediately bring in the friend whose name is Joe Gips. Why would a friend just tell another friend that? Right, right. And also this is true. Like a piece from the door frame had been used to stab, right?
Starting point is 00:28:15 And so they're like, how would someone know this? I forgot about that. Right, so they bring him in and his name is Joe Gips. And when confronted with the information, Joe is adamant that his friend, Jonathan, is lying. That he never said this or had done this. Detectives used Joe's semen to test against the semen from the crime scene.
Starting point is 00:28:33 Apparently, there's like, once again, it's not like 100% sure, but it's similarities, and it didn't match. Okay, so. And evidence doesn't lie. So they just let Joe go. They're like, physical evidence is stronger than any witness who says, you know, we have some circles.
Starting point is 00:28:49 Circle match. Yes. We're being named as a match. So by January of 1994, police were still out searching after these dead ends. They had made their way through all of the tips they had come in, but people and the victim still deserve answers.
Starting point is 00:29:04 Whoever this monster is needs to be taken off the street. So police begin going back through their notes. They had to have missed something. They had to have the answer somewhere. And it was while doing this that they became suspicious of a man named Danny Bennett. Danny's home actually laid right in the middle of the two victims right on the tracks. And it just seems like Danny's name kept coming up in the investigation after officers had noted that they kept running into him on the railroad tracks in the middle of the night. Police decide that they are going to bring Danny in officially for questioning, but when
Starting point is 00:29:38 they try to find him, all of a sudden, he's nowhere to be found. So they decide to bring in Danny's sisters, like to learn more about him. And when they do, they get a not-so-good picture of Danny. Danny had abused both of his sisters sexually and physically when they were younger and had really not been a good husband to his ex-wife. They also explained that after Juanita's murder, Danny had asked them to get rid of a pair of shoes for him, but they refused. He had also hurt his arm around the time of Juanita's murder. And he'd also actually asked them to get rid of a knife as well, but they were like, no, we want nothing to do with this. They told police that he was interested in older women, and they believe
Starting point is 00:30:23 that he really had something to do with these attacks. Then police decided to show them the hat that they had found on the railroad tracks. So like maybe if this is Danne's, his sisters can identify it. And when they do, Danny sisters confirm. Yep. That is Danny's hat that was found on the tracks in Juanita's backyard. So after police hear all of this, they really believe like they have their suspect, right? Although they can't find him, the things they were learning from other people were helping. They decided to bring in Danny's ex-wife. And she told them that Danny had actually abused her the whole time they had been together. And at one point, he had attached jumper cables
Starting point is 00:31:01 to her breasts and shocked her while urinating on her. No freaking way. Yeah. Police are shocked. No one knew about the urination. Did it was just never reported? Like, anything. No, she didn't report it.
Starting point is 00:31:15 But no one had reported about the urination at Juanita's murder. And now all of the sudden, Danny's ex-wife is like, yeah, he urinated on me at one point. And they're like, okay, they need to find Danny Bennett. Oh my God. This has to be the person. This is insane. So finally in the middle of January, a police locate Danny and they bring him in for questioning,
Starting point is 00:31:37 confronting him with everything they knew. He denies, denies, denies. But police had a lot of circumstantial evidence. Danny fell to polygraph and police decided to search his house. In Danny's house, they find a small dagger like knife. But the bigger thing they find is strange to say the least. In Danny's home, he had been collecting his own urine in two liter bottles all over the house.
Starting point is 00:32:05 Like bottles full of urine just everywhere in his house. Oh my God. Yeah, it's pretty easy to say that police are confident with Danny. Oh, way. They now just need a confession or DNA comparison. So police decide to re-interview Danny once again for the second time.
Starting point is 00:32:22 Maybe they can find something else out. And unexpectedly, during this taped interview, Danny Bennett tells police, fine, it was me. I attacked Lili Jones. He explains everything, a full detailed confession that matches her exact description of that night. He said he went up to the door and knocked, she answered, and when she wouldn't let him in, he forced his way in and attacked her. After this, he then confesses to Juanita's murder, describing the scene and even saying, at some point, that he had put his foot on the wall to hold her down,
Starting point is 00:32:57 and he had actually stepped in blood before that, so he noticed that it left a print on the wall. It makes sense, but why would he just confess? Right. And this detail of the footprint being perpendicular above the couch was never on the news. It's an open and shut case, right? Right. Police are like, we have our guy. Yep.
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Starting point is 00:34:35 waiting for justice just months before Danny is set to appear in court, something happens that turns this case on its head. You gotta be kidding me. I mean, right? No way. The police get a call that an elderly woman, 74-year-old Ruth Henderson, had been found dead in her home.
Starting point is 00:34:53 But this wasn't your typical older person death. They tell detectives they need to get out to the scene now. When detectives arrive, the first thing they notice is the door frame of the front door kicked in and demolished. Pools of blood lay random throughout the house, and when they make their way to the bedroom, roofed body was on the bed, like indicative of a sexual assault. She had been stabbed, she had too many stab wounds to count. The scene looked almost identical to Juanitas. The only thing missing was the urine.
Starting point is 00:35:27 Detectives just look at each other in horror. Like, what the heck is going on right now? It's just a couple of months. Right. In just a couple of months, the River Valley killer was set to appear in court. Or was he? So, my guess is that there was another person with him. Right.
Starting point is 00:35:46 So that's literally police. So like, who had done this? Is this a copycat? Did he have like an accomplice like what's going on? Police immediately called the jail just to make sure like Danny Bennett is still locked up. They're like, well, maybe he got out. Like maybe we don't know something. But he was.
Starting point is 00:36:03 He wasn't jail. So what do they do now? After closing the crime scene and notifying Ruth's family about the murder, police decide to sit down and look at the situation they are in. They conclude that the only thing they can do is re-examine Danny's case while simultaneously
Starting point is 00:36:20 working Ruth's homicide. They needed to be 110% sure that Danny Bennett had attacked Lily and killed Juanita. I guess I'm confused though because they found this hat there. Right. I mean, I know he confessed, but he could have lied, but they found this hat there. Did they test any DNA? I can't remember.
Starting point is 00:36:38 They didn't test any DNA. Okay. And well, because number one, it's hard. And also number two, um, urination DNA like degrades really fast. So by the time they had found one, it's hard. And also number two, urination DNA, like degrades really fast. So by the time they had found him, there was nothing to test against for that. It would take years, and so they hadn't done that yet. And it's while reviewing Danny's case that one detective notices an inconsistency. Police had really sealed the coffin when Danny Bennett had confessed to the bloody
Starting point is 00:37:05 shoe print had ended up on the wall, right? Like how it ended up there? Because there was no way anybody but the killer would know that detail. But when re-listening and rereading the transcripts of all the interviews with Danny, a detective had noticed that in one of the first interviews, Danny is asked how he made the bloody shoe print on the wall above the couch. In one of the first interviews. And Danny responded, what shoe print? And then the cop went on to explain there was a shoe print above the couch.
Starting point is 00:37:36 Like how did that happen? And he was like, I had nothing to do with this. And then only until later in his final interview, confessed to leaving the bloody shoe print on the wall above the couch, stunning those detectives. Like, how did he know about this? But a detective had told him about it earlier. So their strongest piece of evidence against Danny Bennett had just crumbled
Starting point is 00:37:56 like in a matter of minutes. Couple that with the fact that the River Valley killer might have just struck again. This is not good. This is not look good. So doubt really begins to set in not just with the police department, but with the prosecution as well. Who would want to prosecute this case now? The DNA results finally come back in the case after some time, but they're inconclusive.
Starting point is 00:38:19 They really had no direct evidence of his guilt, especially now that this confession appears to be false. We know false confessions happen all the time, and for some reason, people who make false confessions don't always try to fix them either. The reasons for which could be all over the place. But the problem with this is that number one, someone innocent could be sitting in prison for something they didn't do, whether they confessed to it or not. And number two, the real criminal is still out there
Starting point is 00:38:47 hurting other people and police have stopped their effort to find them if they believe the real criminal is behind bars. So the detectives decide to write an explanation letter to the judge and ask for the charges to be dropped against Danny Bennett. That there was now doubt in this case and they wouldn't feel comfortable moving forward with it and luckily the judge accepts
Starting point is 00:39:09 and they dropped the charges. So now police really could relook at everything and try to get it right this time. Even if that means they end up re-arresting Danny in the end because he was actually the right one, they just want to make sure, like they want to start from scratch, they want to make sure. It just seems like there's no way right, the right one. They just want to make sure like they want to start from scratch. They want to make sure it just seems like there's no way he's the right one.
Starting point is 00:39:27 If while he was in jail, someone exact same thing happened, it just seemed like it's not possible. Right. So when Danny was released, the public was outraged. And it didn't help that years like started to go by without any clues in any of the attacks. So they released Danny. They keep working the cases and they find nothing. And eventually, five years go by without any more clues or any more attacks in the area. Locals are hoping that the perpetrator had moved on
Starting point is 00:39:57 and police are hoping for some new evidence. But in May of 2000, another horrific attack hits the river valley. Holy crap. So now it's been seven years since the first killing. Oh, sorry, since the first attack. Yes, correct. From 93 to 2000. But this attack was a young 16 year old girl who was in her home alone when a man who is a friend of the family knocked on the door. She let him in and he made his way to the kitchen and came back with a knife.
Starting point is 00:40:28 He had, you know, begun stabbing her and assaulting her sexually. As she tries her best to fight back, something happens. Oh my God. Her parents come home in the middle of the attack. No way. They walk into their kitchen and see the man on top of their daughter, stabbing her to death. They pull him off. 911 is called their young daughter needs an ambulance. Fast. Meanwhile, the dad is wrestling with the
Starting point is 00:40:55 attacker, fighting him. And the dad eventually who he was carrying a pistol. He tries to fire at the attacker twice, but he misses both shots. And so he eventually just begins hitting the attacker with the butt of the gun. And in the middle of doing so, police walk in like they've made it to the house. So when police arrive, actually both the daughter and the attacker needed to be rushed to the hospital. That's how bad the dad could be. I don't blame him. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:22 So after the chaos is somewhat settled, the dad tells police that the man who had stabbed his daughter in the head multiple times. In the head? Right. He broke the knife in her head, stabbed her in her chest, broke the knife even more,
Starting point is 00:41:37 and then just began beating. Oh my God. So she was like, not okay. Yeah. He was trying to kill it. Like, you don't stab someone in the head and just think they're gonna live Right we talked about this before how it's when you stab someone that many times it's some sort of rate like it's just
Starting point is 00:41:53 Personal rage beyond comprehension right so He had stabbed her in the head multiple times and the dad says this was their neighbor Charles Ray Vine. Oh my gosh. And he had no idea why he needed this to happen. He said, I like our neighbor. Like, he's helped me clean my car, clean my garage. Like, he's been at my house multiple times.
Starting point is 00:42:14 I have no idea what has happened. While local police are walking through the scene, they can't help but fill the eerie similarity between the house and the other brutal houses that they had been walking through for basically the past seven years. But this victim was 16. I mean, she had been drugged. There was blood everywhere.
Starting point is 00:42:34 This is so far off base. Like every other woman had been over 50 and now they have a 16 year old girl. So why couldn't police shake the feeling that these cases were somehow connected? The detectives decide to make their way to the hospital to collect Charles DNA to compare to the other cases. Luckily for them, DNA had progressed so much in the past seven years. So what does it hurt to try? Like they're like, we might as well. We have nothing to lose. So while waiting for the testing results to come back, police begin learning all they can about Charles Ray Vine, because either way, he had still just attempted to murder a 16 year old girl. Charles had grown up in the valley and was raised in a mortuary that his dad ran.
Starting point is 00:43:16 So a morgue. Okay. He's raised in a morgue. Which is nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with that, except for the fact that the last cases had necrophilia. I just remember that as I was saying there's nothing wrong with that. Wrong with the mortgage.
Starting point is 00:43:28 Yeah, which there isn't, but I'm just saying. Yes. So Charles had been married and had two sons, but he was divorced now. He was a low-key country guy. He had a lot of friends. He had a good reputation. He was known around town, like even police knew who he was.
Starting point is 00:43:45 But Charles' close friends actually tell police that the only time Charles would get a little scary is if he was drunk, that he would kind of pick fights, he would turn aggressive. And when the DNA comes back, it's true. Charles Rayvine was the river valley killer. His DNA matching every single crime scene. So what? So now my question is, the, that, I mean, not that as much, but Danny,
Starting point is 00:44:14 like where does Danny come into play? Right. And police are thinking the same thing. Like, how could they have been so far off? And they ask, they actually ask Charles, they're like, so who's Danny? And he's like, who? Oh my gosh. And they're like, no,'re like, so who's Danny? And he's like, who? Oh my gosh. And they're like, no, Danny, like, who's Danny? Like, did he help you?
Starting point is 00:44:29 And they're like, he's like, I don't even know who that is. So they're like, okay, well, they don't even know each other. So obviously, this is conclusive evidence. Like, DNA evidence doesn't lie, they have their killer. Charles is arrested and charged with murder and attempted murder. He actually couldn't be charged with Lily Jones' attack because of the one strange thing called the Statue of Limitations that I still don't understand to this day, but whatever, despite this, the prosecution decides to pursue the death penalty
Starting point is 00:44:58 and police begin interviewing him. But Charles and his attorney are like not talking. They're like, we're not going to interview, you already have the DNA evidence, we're just going to go to trial. And police are like, yeah, but we would like to know what happened for closure for the family and everything. They're like, well, fine, then let's talk about a plea deal. Obviously, that's what they're going to say. And so they decide to go for a plea deal that would entail him confessing to every detail in order to avoid the death penalty.
Starting point is 00:45:25 And the state agrees they're like, we would rather get answers like, we'll figure this out. Right. Pretty good deal. But as soon as the interview starts, it's recorded, like I watched pieces of it. Charles just started saying, I don't remember. They'd be like, well, were you drunk? I don't remember. Well, how did you break in?
Starting point is 00:45:41 I don't remember. And this is not keeping up his end of the deal like yeah right and so police are like listen if you don't start giving us the answer we will not keep up our end of the deal so finally after much back and forth with his attorney Charles starts giving up the information that he knew what he was going to do when he made his way to everyone's house and that even even with Lily, the first victim, he had known her his whole life because she went to church with his parents. That's insane. He knew Juanita because his friend lived next door, but he didn't remember urinating on the wall.
Starting point is 00:46:17 So this is a big deal. So he goes into much further detail, which we're not going to cover, because we don't need to hear every single gruesome detail of the case. We've already discussed what happened. But he does say they're like, okay, and what about the urine at Juanitas' house? And he's like, what? And they're like the urine. Now I know, it just clicked in my head, no way. And he's like, I don't know what you're talking about.
Starting point is 00:46:39 I didn't urinate, oh wow. Oh gosh, you're gonna be kidding me. And they're like, okay. So police are like, had Danny Bennett entered the house? Yeah. Before police had gotten there because it had been days, she had been sitting there for days, and urinated on the wall and left his hat by the tracks, we will never know. Danny's like, nope, absolutely, I had nothing to do with this.
Starting point is 00:47:05 And he's embarrassed. Right. And the DNA, it degrades. So there's no chance for us to test it. But how would he have known all those details about the crime scene? And that's why he confessed. He probably was just like, yeah, I did.
Starting point is 00:47:18 My DNA's there. I have to confess. Right. And his whole, everyone who knew him was like, oh, he likes older women and he has this thing with urination. And then the behavior analysis were like, oh, well, urination is a form of humiliation.
Starting point is 00:47:33 So he wouldn't want to confess to it, but he would have known that she had been stabbed with the wood. So police are like, this has to be how he was so connected to the case. He came upon it and he's a little twisted in the head and he went in there and He checked out that crime scene. Oh my gosh, right, but we'll never know. Yeah, but that's what everyone's assuming including me
Starting point is 00:47:55 police interview past girlfriends of Charles and all of them claim that during sex Charles would demand that they would lay there and not move, not talk, just lay there. Almost like they were dead. And like we were talking about earlier, he did grow up around dead people at the morgue, which kind of makes you wonder when he figured out that he liked having sex with dead people. Like at what point did this happen? And how many corpses had gone through his house, right?
Starting point is 00:48:27 And when police confirmed with this, he's like, nope, not talking. He's like, I'm not talking about this. They were like, when was the first time you had sex with a dead body? He's like, I'm not talking about it. So obviously it was before these attacks. Charles Ray Van was sentenced to three life sentences without the possibility of parole. And police knew for certain that they had caught the River Valley killer that he would no longer terrorize this community like he had been. In September of 2019, Charles died in prison
Starting point is 00:48:56 at the age of 56. Oh, it's pretty young. Right. He just died. Juanita was very kind and would talk to anybody. She loved garage cells and her family says, if you met her, you would never forget her. That's how kind she was.
Starting point is 00:49:12 Lily Jones actually lived to be 100 years old. Oh my gosh. Yes, she lived a long life after her attack. The 16 year old victim who we won't name has really struggled since her attack. Her family says, but has made her way through school. She has lived a life after this. And Ruth was kind to everyone and took care of a lot of people.
Starting point is 00:49:37 Everyone had amazing things to say about her. And that is the story of the River Valley killer. Holy crap. Not only was that story crazy the whole Danny Killer. Holy crap, not only was that story crazy, the whole Danny part, I mean, we should never know, but. But it's kind of assumed in the community that that's what happened.
Starting point is 00:49:53 Especially. So he got out of here, he got out. Right, he got out, he got out. Yeah, he, they were like. He was loving life. And. What's crazy though too is he was sexually and physically abusive.
Starting point is 00:50:04 Right, so that's what I'm saying is like I think if a normal person were to stumble upon the scene that was as gruesome and graphic as Juanitas Number one, they wouldn't probably recover and number two. They would alert authorities. He just didn't care Allegedly allegedly. Yeah, so allegedly. Yeah, there's no, he's never been chart, like there's nothing there, but allegedly, he walked in and maybe used his sexual preference and urinated all over the place. Cause I mean, they found P bottles everywhere. Right.
Starting point is 00:50:37 And he had urinated on past girlfriends and wives and stuff. Unless he was selling them to past drug tests and other people, then I don't know why those would be there. Right, I don't either. And also the thing about Downey is that, remember he told a friend, that was how he even came up with this rate. Yeah, why didn't he do that?
Starting point is 00:50:54 He told a friend that he busted the door down. Oh, he was probably just trying to drag on. He lived right, I think, because he liked what had happened at that crime scene. Like when he went there, he liked it. It's exactly what happened. And so he tried to, he liked it. It's exactly what happened. And so he tried to take credit for it. And it was obvious that the door had been bustin' down.
Starting point is 00:51:09 So it probably would happen. So it makes sense how he would know that, right? There's so many things. Interesting, guess what I'll never know, but. And I'm actually super grateful that they caught the real killer because Danny would have 100% like gone to prison for this. And when police asked Charles about why a 16 year old,
Starting point is 00:51:27 like he had only been with older women, why 16 year old, he had no answer. And if he hadn't of attacked her, he probably would have never got caught. Yeah, I probably. Until DNA testing, like probably until this year, you know what I mean, but he would have already been dead. Yep.
Starting point is 00:51:41 So it's just crazy, it's a crazy story. All right, you guys, we just want to wish you guys a happy holidays. We hope all of you have an amazing week and we will see you next week with another episode. I love it. And I hate it. Goodbye. you

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