Muscle for Life with Mike Matthews - This Is the Definitive Guide to Fish Oil Supplementation
Episode Date: June 1, 2020Supplementation can be overwhelming. No matter what your goal is--build muscle, lose fat, improve health--there are hundreds of supplements to choose from. And good luck trying to sort the wheat from ...the chaff. If you're to believe the hype, many of these pills and powders have downright magical properties and are capable of performing downright miracles. Just one bottle of this, you're told, will give you instant muscle gain. That one? It melts fat off your body. Those over there? They double your brainpower. And on and on. I guess that's why so many people spend so much money on supplements. Well, if a part of you has suspected that the supplement industry is more smoke and mirrors than science and substance, you're right. It's an unregulated rough and tumble of a marketplace that's more or less a playground for rent-seeking bums and pirates. That said, it's not all bad. There are supplements that have good science behind them and that can help you optimize your health and physical and mental performance. Take something simple like vitamin D, for example. It was long thought to be important for just bone health but we now know that it plays a crucial role in a whole host of vital physiological processes, and unless you spend a lot of time in the sun, supplementation is the only way to give your body what it needs. Fish oil is another good example because it provides your body with two nutrients that are otherwise hard to get enough of through diet alone: - Eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) - Docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) What are these molecules and why are they so important, you ask? What do they do in the body and what kind of benefits do they confer? And what about fish oil supplements? Which ones are good and which aren't and why? Listen to this episode to find out! 4:40 - What is a fish oil supplement? 8:53 - What are the benefits of getting enough EPA and DHA in your diet? 16:28 - How does an omega 3 fatty acid affect muscle gain? 18:21 - How much fish oil should I take? 20:02 - What are the different types of fish oil? --- Mentioned on The Show: Books by Mike Matthews: https://legionathletics.com/products/books/ Triton (Fish Oil): https://legionathletics.com/products/supplements/triton/ --- Want to get my best advice on how to gain muscle and strength and lose fat faster? Sign up for my free newsletter! Click here: https://www.legionathletics.com/signup/
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Hello, and happy Monday! I think that's a thing now, right? Now that gyms are starting to open back up, and we get to go in and participate in International Chess Day,
and then we get to go home and get into our comfy work attire, you know, maybe pajamas or underwear, or maybe in the nude.
And then we don't get interrupted by co-workers every 10 minutes or have to attend 10 pointless meetings back to back.
And we get to take our time to make delicious home cooked meals and better control our calories and our macros and our nutrition.
And that's what I hope for you, at least.
I hope that your quarantine has been more or less like that. I hope there has been a nice thick silver lining,
and I hope that you are coming out of this a little bit better in some way than you went into
it. And I hope that you are more than ready. I hope that you are chomping at the bit to get back
to life as we know it and are able to do just that. And that's not going to be the topic of today's podcast,
though. Let's just change gears here abruptly and talk about fish oil. That's what we're going to
talk about, fish oil. And this is one of the fundamental supplements that I recommend.
For example, in Bigger Leaner Stronger and Thinner Leaner Strong stronger, I recommend six supplements as not necessary
because no supplements are necessary, but as the ones that form the 20% that are going to give you
80% of the benefits, right? The Pareto principle applied to supplementation and fish oil is on
that list. Vitamin D is on that list as well. These supplements provide our body with vital
nutrients that we can get through food. In the case of vitamin D, that would be through fortified
food. Obviously, the best way to naturally get in vitamin D would be to get out in the sun
and make sure that you are exposing enough skin for enough time. Research shows, for example, that in the Florida summer sun, midday, the nuclear
reactor of Florida, if you have about 25% of your skin exposed, you can get out there for probably
15 to 20 minutes per day, and that will produce enough vitamin D in your body to maintain sufficiency. That'll be the case for
most people. Now, in the case of fish oil, however, the reason why it is a supplement that I think
everyone should consider taking is it provides your body with two nutrients that are hard to get
through diet alone. You can do it, but very few people actually do. And these are eicosapentaenoic acid,
also known as just EPA, and docosahexaenoic acid, DHA. Why are these molecules so important? And
what are they? What do they do in the body? And what kind of benefits do they confer? Let's find
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So let's start this discussion with a simple overview of what a fish oil supplement is.
It is, of course, exactly what it sounds like. It's oil that's obtained from fish. However,
most people don't know that popular sources of fish oil are salmon, herring, mackerel, sardines,
and anchovies. And so, if you like to eat those types of fish, you actually can remove the need for a fish
oil supplement by just eating enough servings of fatty fish like those every week.
Now, that's also the reason why fish oil is a very popular supplement.
Most people don't want to eat several servings of those types of fish every week.
And then you also have to take into account pollutants in fish
and mercury in particular. You want to make sure that you are not exceeding a healthy level of
mercury intake. And of course, it's best to avoid it altogether. But if you're going to eat fish
really of any kind, you can't avoid it completely. You just want to stick to low mercury fish.
Now, EPA and DHA are known as omega-3 fatty acids, and that
just refers to their physical structure. And our body can't produce these molecules, and that's why
they're also known as essential fatty acids. So if we were to completely remove these substances
from our diet, if our body was not getting them at all whatsoever, eventually we
would die. And that, of course, is why people supplement with fish oil. But there's more to it
because when you maintain sufficient plasma blood, EPA, DHA levels, there are many different
ways that you benefit from this, including reducing the risk of heart disease,
stroke, and type 2 diabetes, decreasing systemic inflammation, improving mood,
cognitive performance, and brain health, helping prevent weight gain, optimizing fat loss when
you're cutting, and even accelerating muscle growth. Now, as far as how much is needed to reap all
those benefits and others, research shows that a combined intake of 500 milligrams to about 1.8
grams of EPA and DHA per day is adequate, but you can get additional benefits with more, up to even
an intake of about 6 grams combined, not each,
but combined per day. And unfortunately, studies show that the average person's diet here in the
West provides just one-tenth of the amount of EPA and DHA that's needed to just preserve health and
prevent disease. And fatty fish are not the only way to do this. You can also get EPA and DHA through grass-fed
meat, through free-range eggs, as well as vegetable oils. But the problem is the omega-3
levels are much lower in meat and eggs than fish and vegetable oils actually don't contain EPA and
DHA, but instead they contain a fatty acid called alpha-linolenic
acid, ALA, is how it's generally referred to. And then the body converts the ALA into EPA and DHA.
And there's a problem with that. That conversion process is very inefficient. So you have to eat
a rather large amount of ALA to get a surplus of EPA and DHA. If all you want to
do is maintain basic sufficiency and avoid the negative side effects of inadequate EPA and DHA
intake, ALA is fine. And so that's good news for vegans. You don't necessarily have to take an
omega-3 supplement if you're a vegan, if you're willing to eat enough ALA. And that's one reason
why flax is particularly popular with many vegans, by the way, is it's a good source of ALA. It
tastes good. It can be added to various types of meals. But this is one of the major downsides to
vegan eating. If you don't manage your diet properly, you will develop an omega-3 fatty
acid deficiency. And this has been shown in a number of studies an omega-3 fatty acid deficiency. And this has been shown
in a number of studies. Omega-3 fatty acid deficiencies are fairly common among vegans
who don't know what they're doing. All right, so now let's go into some more detail on the
benefits of getting enough EPA and DHA in your diet. I want to really sell you on not necessarily
taking a fish oil supplement. That is the easiest way to do it, but just making sure that you get enough omega-3s one way or another. So let's start with the number
one health problem here in the West, and that is cardiovascular health. Now, research shows that EPA
and DHA promote cardiovascular health in several ways, including anti-inflammatory effects, the inhibition of platelets, triglyceride lowering
effects, improvement in endothelial function, plaque stabilization, and antiarrhythmic effects.
It's a pretty long list, and interestingly, research shows that the reduction in risk of
heart disease appears to be unique to EPA and DHA, which is found in
fish oil, for example, but not ALA. Studies show that ALA doesn't appear to have the same
cardioprotective properties. Let's talk about fish oil and your metabolism now, because studies show
that it can reduce the risk of developing type 2 diabetes. And the exact mechanisms in play
are still being investigated, but researchers believe it's at least partially due to the fact
that fish oil can improve insulin sensitivity, which of course is impaired with people who have
type 2 diabetes. We also know that maintaining sufficient EPA and DHA intake, and again, fish oil is just a great way to do that, reduces risk factors associated with a particularly nasty metabolic disease called metabolic syndrome, which is a clustering of related risk factors for both cardiovascular disease and type 2 diabetes, including insulin resistance, hypertension, hypertriglyceridemia,
decreased HDL cholesterol levels, and obesity. No fun. Moving on down the list, let's talk about
strokes because research shows that omega-3 fatty acids are effective in helping prevent
strokes. And the likely mechanism for this is the ability of EPA and DHA to prevent thrombosis, to prevent
blood clotting, which of course then helps prevent blood clots in blood vessels that
supply the brain.
All right, next let's talk about inflammation because the anti-inflammatory properties of
EPA and DHA are very well established and can help us in many ways.
And DHA are very well established and can help us in many ways.
For example, we can reduce the risk of developing inflammatory and autoimmune diseases and dysfunctions, including rheumatoid arthritis, Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, psoriasis,
lupus, multiple sclerosis, migraine headaches.
And in people who have diseases and dysfunctions like those,
supplementation with fish oil can decrease their activity and reduce their need for
anti-inflammatory drugs. That's been shown in research. And another well-established benefit
of omega-3 fatty acids related to inflammation is reducing joint pain and joint inflammation. And that's why studies
show that fish oil is an effective joint supplement, and especially if you take enough.
Fish oil can also improve your mood. It can improve symptoms of depression, of anxiety,
and stress. And scientists have isolated several mechanisms that are responsible for these benefits.
And the first one is what we just talked about, the reduction of inflammation, which also
has positive effects in the brain.
And another is the influence of omega-3 fatty acids on brain-derived neurotrophic factor,
which is a protein that protects the health and enhances the function of the brain.
Another possible mechanism that has been identified relates to the abundance of DHA
in the membranes that envelope the brain and the spinal cord, where it plays a key role in
maintaining the integrity and the fluidity of that membrane. And it's also possible that EPA
exerts some of its mood effects by improving
blood flow, which then increases the supply of nutrients to the brain. And for similar reasons
that it can improve mood, fish oil and omega-3 fatty acids can also have a beneficial impact on
cognitive performance, including memory, reaction time, and attention. We also know that EPA and DHA are
beneficial in maintaining brain health in people of all ages, which is pretty cool because some
ingredients sound great if you just read the abstract of a study or if you don't pay too
much attention to the details. But then if you find out, for example, that the benefits have only been demonstrated in
elderly people with diseases and you are 30 or 40 years old and you are healthy, you can't assume
that you're going to experience the same benefits to any degree. You're almost certainly not going
to receive as much of a benefit as the 80-year-old who is dying of a
disease, but you may not get anything from the ingredient. And that's not the case with fish oil
and brain health. Again, it benefits young people, it benefits middle-aged people, it benefits older
people, and that's been shown in a number of studies. For example, we know that adequate DHA intake in particular promotes
healthy brain development in children. And we also know that omega-3 fatty acids help protect
against the cognitive decline that's associated with aging. And that's been shown in elderly
people. Now, as far as exact mechanisms responsible, they aren't fully understood yet,
but the lowering of inflammation
does appear to be a factor. And it's also hypothesized that EPA and DHA can positively
influence the activity of various neurotransmitters, which of course play a key role in learning mood
and other important cognitive functions. Now, I mentioned weight maintenance earlier as a benefit, and fish oil
and omega-3s do appear to help with that because studies have shown that when fish oil is included
in a healthy lifestyle, it can help reduce waist circumference and decrease fat mass.
And of course, you're not losing fat directly from the fish oil.
If it were only that easy, right? If we could just chug fish oil all day and get shredded.
No, of course not.
But again, studies show that providing your body with adequate omega-3 fatty acids makes
it easier to lose weight and it makes it easier to keep the weight off.
And there are several ways that it accomplishes this, at least several ways
that scientists have identified, including reducing appetite, improving circulation,
and thereby nutrient delivery to skeletal muscle and even body fat. And it also can augment muscle
gain, which then of course enhances fat oxidation rates and energy expenditure.
enhances fat oxidation rates and energy expenditure.
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women in the world, Bigger Leaner Stronger and Thinner Leaner Stronger, as well as the leading flexible dieting cookbook, The Shredded Chef. Now, how does an omega-3 fatty acid affect muscle gain?
Well, studies show that our omega-3 status affects how our muscles respond both to the
food that we eat and the exercise that we do. And this makes sense when we consider the
fact that omega-3 fatty acids enhance muscle protein synthesis, which of course is a key
process that's involved in building muscle. And studies have shown these effects both in younger
and older adults, which is why fish oil is often prescribed to mitigate the muscle loss that occurs with age.
Furthermore, supplementing with fish oil may be particularly beneficial if you're injured because
studies show that it can help protect against the loss of muscle mass. And the benefits don't stop
there actually, because EPA and DHA have been shown to reduce delayed onset muscle soreness, DOMS. And by reducing
muscle soreness, you can train more frequently and you can make better progress in your workouts.
Studies also show that omega-3 fatty acids may improve skeletal muscle health and the healthier
your muscle is, the better your metabolism works. And one major reason
for that is a big role that skeletal muscle plays in the metabolism relates to how your body
processes glucose, how it processes blood sugar. Studies show that skeletal muscle accounts for
approximately 30% of post-meal glucose disposal. So the more muscle you have and the healthier that
muscle is, the better your body can maintain blood sugar levels, which of course is very important
to staying healthy and to having a healthy metabolism. So those are the major benefits
that we know of. And there may be more, but those are the major ones we know of.
So now let's talk about dosing. How much do you need to take? And that
depends on your goal. I mentioned earlier that if you just want to stay healthy, a combined intake
of 500 milligrams to 1.8 grams of EPA and DHA per day is sufficient. And that means that if you're
going to take a supplement, you need to make sure you look at how much EPA and DHA is provided in
every serving because it will vary from product to product. Now, if you need to make sure you look at how much EPA and DHA is provided in every serving
because it will vary from product to product. Now, if you want to reduce muscle soreness and
possibly reduce joint pain, you're going to want to take more. You're going to want a combined
intake, combined intake of EPA and DHA of about three to six grams per day. Three grams is enough
in many people, but some people need to take up to six
grams a day to see those types of benefits. And I don't recommend taking more than that. Now,
as far as when to take fish oil, you can really take it whenever you want, but it's best taken
with meals because that'll help improve the absorption and it'll prevent the nasty fish oil
burps. Another great thing about fish oil is there are
really no side effects when it's taken at the recommended doses. Any sort of side effects are
rare. That said, it can reduce blood clotting. And so is contraindicated if you're taking
blood thinning medications like aspirin, warfarin, or clopidogrel. And if you're on any of these
medications or something similar, just check with your doctor before supplementing with fish oil.
And I should also mention that it shouldn't be taken alongside fat blockers, which don't really
work anyway. But if you are dabbling with any sort of fat blocking drugs or supplements,
don't take fish oil. Now let's talk about the type of fish oil,
because there are three primary forms on the market today. You have triglyceride,
you have ethyl ester, and you have re-esterified triglyceride. And a triglyceride is simply a
molecule that consists of three fatty acids and one molecule of glycerol, which is just a colorless, odorless
substance that's found in fats and oils. And so the triglyceride form of fish oil is the natural
unprocessed form. Now the ethyl ester fish oil is created by processing the natural triglycerides
to replace the glycerol molecules in the oil with ethanol, with alcohol. And this process
removes impurities and it concentrates the oil. So it increases the amount of EPA and DHA in each
gram of the oil, which is nice. And last in the list was the re-esterified triglyceride. And so
what that is, is it's similar to the natural form, to the triglyceride form, and it's created by using
enzymes to convert the ethyl ester oil back into triglyceride oil. And doing that provides
significant benefits, which I'll talk about in a minute. Now, out of those forms, you'd probably
assume that the natural one is the best, right? The triglyceride supplement is the best. And
triglyceride fish oil is good. Research shows
that it's absorbed well by the body, but it also can have much higher levels of contaminants than
ethyl ester and re-esterified triglyceride oils, partially because of the low level of processing.
Furthermore, natural triglyceride oils are generally lower in EPA and DHA per gram than the more processed and more concentrated
ethyl ester and re-esterified triglyceride oils, which means that you got to take more oil to
achieve the desired results. Some people don't mind that, but other people don't like that it
can get expensive in terms of not just dollars, but also calories. Now, the most popular type of fish oil is the ethyl ester. That's definitely
the most popular, but it's not because it's the best. It's actually just the cheapest. It's the
cheapest to produce and therefore the cheapest for consumers. But it does have some downsides.
One, studies show that this form of fish oil isn't absorbed all that well by the body. It also
releases ethanol into the body, alcohol, which then needs to be processed by the liver, of course,
and it's a very small amount. It's not something to be worried about, but research shows that in
some people it can cause side effects, actually, like burping and flu-like symptoms, upset stomach, strange tastes in your mouth, and even skin rash.
Ethyl ester fish oils can also go bad more quickly and more easily than triglyceride oils.
So a cheap ethyl ester fish oil is not bad and it can work, but it's one of those,
you get what you pay for kind of things. There is better. We're going
to talk about that. Before we do though, I should just quickly mention that if you're wondering how
to tell if a fish oil is an ethyl ester oil or a triglyceride or a re-esterified triglyceride,
just look at the supplement facts panel. And if it doesn't specifically state the form of the oil,
assume it's ethyl ester. Companies that pay a premium for the superior, more expensive forms,
the natural and the re-esterified triglyceride forms, they almost always call it out in their
marketing and at least list it on the label because it increases the attractiveness,
because it increases the attractiveness, the salability of the product. And so the last form that we haven't discussed yet is the best, and that is the re-esterified triglyceride oil,
which is considered the gold standard of fish oil supplements currently because it has a very high
bioavailability. It has very high concentrations of EPA and DHA. It has very low levels of toxins
and pollutants. It also is fairly resistant to oxidation, so it stays good longer. And there
are none of the potential side effects associated with ethyl ester oils, which again are rare, but
they should just be mentioned. There is a problem with re-esterified triglyceride oils though,
and that is they can be hard to find. Not many companies sell them because they are the most
expensive to produce. They cost 30 to 40% more than ethyl ester oil. And what that means then
is if a company can produce a bottle of ethyl ester oil for, let's say $6 a bottle and then sell at $30 a bottle. They are looking at probably upward of
$9 to $10 a bottle if they wanted to switch to a re-esterified triglyceride. And unfortunately,
many consumers don't really know the difference between the two. And so a bottle of fish oil for $30 that needs to now go up to $40, let's say, because the company switched to the higher quality oil and they have to maintain their bigger margins to maintain all of their marketing and advertising spending is just going to drive away a lot of customers.
Fish oil is very elastic in that sense.
The price elasticity is high because many people just
see it as a commodity that said as you've learned in this podcast there are some pretty significant
differences between the different types of oils out there and there are some pretty significant
benefits to spending a little bit more to get a higher quality oil in fact i would say that the
ideal fish oil supplement would look like this.
It would be sourced exclusively from low toxicity fish, and it would be a re-esterified triglyceride
oil that has been processed to remove impurities and toxins and to concentrate the amount of EPA
and DHA in each serving and to deliver maximum bioavailability so our body can use as much of
the EPA and DHA in the supplement as possible. I also think that we consumers should care about
how the fish are being harvested because there are several common fishing practices that are
very destructive to the population and the habitats of not just fish, but marine life in general. So for example, one is bottom
trawling, which involves dragging large nets filled with rubber tires or rollers along the
ocean floor, including coral reefs where fish congregate. And as you can imagine, these rollers
are very large and very damaging to the delicate coral ridges when they pass over. And that's why, according to the Worldwide Fund
for Nature, there are scars up to four kilometers long in reefs in the Northeast Atlantic and in
heavily fished areas off of Southern Australia, for example. 90% of the surfaces where coral used
to grow are now just bare rock. Two other ways that many reefs get destroyed are
cyanide and dynamite fishing. Now, cyanide stuns fish, but it doesn't kill them, so it just makes
them easy to collect. And it also, though, kills the organisms that grow on coral, which then
transforms that vibrant rainforest of the sea into an aquatic desert. And then there's the dynamite, which,
of course, sure, it kills fish. They float to the surface. They get scooped up, but it also reduces
underwater environments to rubble. And then there's overfishing, which is another harmful
practice. And that occurs when fish are removed from the sea faster than they can be replenished
through reproduction. The good news, though though is we don't need to destroy ecosystems
to get our food and get our supplements. And as consumers, we can make a difference by supporting
well-managed sustainable fisheries. And that's what I'm doing in my sports nutrition company,
Legion. I have a fish oil supplement called Triton, and it is a re-esterified triglyceride oil,
and it is sourced from deep water Peruvian anchovies and sardines that are caught by
fisheries approved by the Friend of the Sea.
It's a very concentrated oil.
It contains 2,400 milligrams of EPA and DHA in each serving.
And it's also a very clean fish oil.
It has been processed using enhanced molecular
distillation to reduce toxins and chemicals to very low levels, to levels that meet the
stringent European Pharmacopeia Reference Standards, EPRS, as well as the voluntary
standards set by the Council for Responsible Nutrition, also just referred to as CRN, and the Global Organization for EPA
and DHA Omega-3, also referred to as GOED. And if you're wondering why we're not conforming to any
US standards, it's because governmental fish oil quality standards don't exist here in the United
States. So keep that in mind when fish oil supplements claim to be purified or free of
chemicals you probably don't want in your body, like polychlorinated biphenyls, right? PCBs.
These types of claims, they have no regulatory definitions. Anyway, to wrap up, my fish oil
supplement again is called Triton. You can find it at legionathletics.com slash Triton and check it out. And as far as fish oil and omega-3 intake goes, let's just summarize everything we've
covered here. So if you're one of the rare people who eats a lot of fatty fish, and ideally it would
be a lot of non-predatory fatty fish because those are going to be the lowest in contaminants. So I'm
talking about several servings of this fish per week. Or if you're one of the rare people who eats a lot
of ALA, you might not benefit from a fish oil supplement. You might not need it. But if you
are like me and like most people, that's not the case. You don't eat that much seafood and you
don't eat that much fatty fish, non-predatory, and you don't eat very high
amounts of vegetable or nut oils, for example. And in that case, you can rest assured that your
EPA and DHA levels are lower than you want them to be if you're not currently taking a fish oil
supplement. And in that case, if you do start taking one, you can
enjoy a wide variety of benefits ranging from reducing the risk of developing different types
of disease and dysfunction. You can decrease inflammation in the body. You can elevate mood
and cognitive performance and brain health. And you can even improve your body composition.
You can even get a bit more bang
for your diet and workout buck.
And that's why if I could just take one supplement,
if there was only one,
it would probably be a toss-up
between vitamin D and fish oil.
It really is that helpful.
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