My Brother, My Brother And Me - MBMBaM 635: Batman v Pennywise Dawn of Justice

Episode Date: November 7, 2022

There are a LOT of evil clowns out there, but are any of them actually funny, like, on purpose? To answer that very important question we have on special guestpert Griffin Newman, aka Griffin Twoman.Suggested talking points: Birthday Sailabration, Dog God Mother, Jamiroquai Faith, Comedy Guy, Horngry, Worth Negative DollarsNorth American Indigenous Tribal Food Systems (NĀTIFS): https://www.natifs.org/

The McElroy brothers are not experts and their advice should never be followed Travis insists. He's a sexpert, but if there's a degree on his wall, I haven't seen it Also, this show isn't for kids, which I mentioned only so the babies out there will know how cool they are for listening What's up you cool, baby? Precious friendship Could have never seen what was coming for me hangs at the skate park hangs by the beach my life It feels It's better it's better

It's better it's better It's better it's better Hello everybody and welcome to my brother my brother and me and advice show for the modern era I'm your oldest brother Justin McElroy I'm your middle-est brother Travis pip pip cheerio McElroy, and I'm and I'm your sweet baby brother Griffin McElroy has grown up brother Happy birthday to you

Happy birthday to me Happy birthday to all of us and Justin and Margaret Mitchell the author of Gone with the Wind Happy birthday to us Uh Welcome to a birthday spectacular all the brothers have birthdays today. Well tomorrow Statistically speaking all the brothers have birthdays all the brothers have birthdays. It's our very special birthday celebration So you're getting all the presents and that is comedy and insight. Oh

Yeah Parker Posey to part Congrats and Everybody all the stars stars are shining tonight on Yeah, they're all here celebrating their November 8th birthdays now I do want to say when the episode comes out it will be November 7th Also the last time your guys birthday fell on a election day. It was a big stinker rooty wasn't it?

Hey griff thanks for reminding me, but I totally didn't remember that To remember yeah That I had that election day is November 8th because I'm not thinking about that every second Well, the only thing is you guys are like is the best day and I'm like it could you guys Are in a panic spiral right now and I am too but mine is no, I'm just mad at you Griffin Don't misread my body language mine's not attached to the birthday like my birthday is gonna be no your birthday is when Jesus died Dire consequences Potentially, but that's that's fine. That's the great

I will receive the the greatest present for this birthday and Travis will likely receive it too And you know what Griffin you'll even get to Get to open this one and that's that John Ossoff will get off my nuts Jays Carville will He'll take his talons out of my nuts Elsewhere I'm not gonna say who cuz I don't want people like telling me about them But somebody who has reverend at the start of their name emails me nine times a day not an exaggeration

Fresh fresh memes from the rev Like I'm expecting to get like a hey man. What do you do it? Can I borrow a game you've been playing? I'm bored as hell man fucking I am Always getting texts and emails from James Carville asking to borrow my video games Yeah, he's like hey man Are you done are you don't read dead redemption to and I'm like that game came out a long time ago It's like you got on Xbox 360 and it's like why are you I don't even know Madden 10 with me

I Often worry that Elizabeth Warren is going to for some reason Actually personally text me and tell me like she ran out of gas and needs my help But it's just gonna pop up in my thing is the notification to say hey Travis It's me Elizabeth Warren and I'll ignore it and she'll be sitting there like where is he? I only had enough energy to text one person and Travis was the last person I texted asking for money. Where is he? You know, here's how I'd ever consider Do you think that people Elizabeth Warren texts in her day-to-day life?

Do you think she is frequently getting responses to her personal text messages that are like fuck? Yeah, please stop please Unfollow stop to end unsubscribed What this is your wife unsubscribed now, it's really James Carville, and I really want to borrow your Xbox I have eight cell phones. That's why I'd always come from a different number. That's what you would that's what you would say James What do you want to describe? I'm standing right in front of you I got tricked by one last week and that the opener of the text was a tragic update deeply sad about Mark Kelly It's like oh

And that one I did pop open they got me on that one. Yeah So that's Please vote. I mean we got it You know we have we're gonna say that and you already did vote but like vote good, you know, I mean good Do a good job. I guess the right way to write Fuck who knows man, you know, this isn't political advice You should vote for people that think the outcome of the election is valid. Yes. Yeah, that's a good start That's a good start. That's not political

That's just like unless and this is a blow. I'm gonna take a bowl political scene vote for people that aren't complete dipshits That's good. This is this is that's too much. That's two times you're choosing between two dipshits less of a dipshit then Um Anyway Happy birthday. I'm sorry that it got a little bit away from the main topic. Anyways back to our birthday. Thank you The balloon drop. Yeah, Travis and I are Travis. What are you 30 39? Yep. Oh my god Oh my god, you know what? Hey, you're gonna turn guys 42 the nerds are gonna love this one Griffey jr. Spaceball number I think 42. Yeah, so I that's the last that's the last like

Big one for 27 years. Yeah, and then you roll up into 60 No, I'm looking to see if that was King Griffey jr. Jersey number cuz I'll be really impressed with myself You could Travis our audience you just say it is sure. Yeah, I was totally literally nobody knows or is going to fact-check that or knows Oh, it absolutely was not He played for several different teams and it wasn't on any of them. Okay. Hey, never mind. Hey. Hey look over there It's an advice show for the modern era. Let's bring that over here. Yes. Welcome. Welcome to our advice show We're so happy to have you here for this birthday celebration celebration Mm-hmm. We're having a regatta for our birthday this year. We're going on a birthday celebration guys is here in Cap City

It's buzzing there's every what is it cap city? This is what we call it here in cap say son here in cap say son It's buzzing people are buzzing about our birthday About your birthday and about election day the schools here take two days off for election day for our birthday For Travis's birthday is on Monday and Justin's birthday. They take Tuesday off. Yeah, we take turns. They take time to really observe it I'm just want you all to know it's electric. It's electrifying is that what is the energy like there electric and electrifying people are Just out on the street always now and the parties go all night long. This is like our this is like our day Do you know what I mean? Like are you guys allowed to vote? Have you thought about that? Yes?

But the ballot is like a shoneys kids menu and it's like do you think chocolate milk is good and we say We say yes, it is and they say do you want would it be cool to have people like in Congress for you? And we're like yes. Yes, that's really that would be very cool and they're like, okay But how many pancakes do you want and you know? I say three and it doesn't it then they take it and they say thank you they gave me the sticker They put the menu right in the garbage can't oh, do you at least get one of those lollipops? We're like the stick is the loop at the end. I do get a safety pop which is oh, that's nice Yeah, cuz I you know, I can't be trusted to vote for

members of Congress But I so I clearly can't be trusted to eat like a dumb dumb a tootsie roll pop a charms blow pop Cuz it's going right down the wind pipe. Yeah, but and like you're running and you trip in that stick Oh boy, that's dangerous, but we're all having a ton of fun over here. It's a fucking party non-stop. Oh, wow Cool energy. I love it and I love your questions. That's what we're gonna answer for you right now in this podcast Which it begins now, uh, I dog sit as a side hustle. I I don't think you should announce that to the people who you are dog sitting for yeah But I think you should just frame it differently. Anyway, a dog sit as a side hustle

I don't currently have my own dog and I'm not actively looking to adopt But I really love a few of my regular dog clients. I'm wondering if there's a chill way I could tell their people that if anything wherever happened to them Yeah, go on I would look I Would love to adopt them sort of like a dog godmother. Yep It's there's something better we could do there We're gonna circle back on dog godmother cuz I'm not loving it or something there's and there's some confusing pronoun stuff in there Just be clear what you're saying is I love the dogs and I want to let the people know that if anything happens to the people

I'll take the dogs. Okay Okay, so is there a chill way to ask about that without it sounding like a tacit threat Nice dog. You got there would be a shame if something happened to you in upstate New York Oh Listen Listen when it's sad thing but when pets owners die go go on the rainbow road Yeah, when they go it's the rainbow bridge isn't it rainbow road is in Mario humans do it

We go on the rainbow road and we do when they get hit by that blue shell on the rainbow road And you jump the fence on the first lap and you land on the lower part of the rainbow road and just fucking Skook your dumb ass cousins And you're like We do it is Standard practice that the pets are buried with them with the owners. Yes like a pharaoh like a pharaoh so they can protect us when Chiron tries to affair it us across the river sticks and we're like I'm not I would rather actually

Hit the rainbow road right now. I would have way more fun with that than in your slow-ass canoe death. Nice try I'm out. That's why you you do need to challenge death to some Mario Kart when you get down there to return Or or you could do smash if that's your thing But it's Mario Kart and smash are the only two games that he's got down there. Yeah on GameCube. So it's it is sad And it's sad But you need to when the hell bats come at you you're gonna eat that dog with you or kitty cat kitty cats Can not well Kitty cats not gonna do much the weird the weird part of the conversation will not be the initial opening

It's a little McCall, but I think most people would be like Yeah, you know what if I die you got my cat my dog, but What is step two? Mm-hmm because there's a couple different ways it plays out one is Beth call her Beth dies and then you show up at the funeral be like This is this may seem odd But it is actually chill Beth said that if she died I can have the dog

So I'll go ahead and take that with me. No problem. That's option one. I should too is the owner is like I Guess I need to call My lawyer. Yeah to put it in the wheel That you can have my dog is that not a normal thing because I have in my will no joke Where my dogs go or something happens? Yeah I mean because mostly I knew it wasn't Justin or Griffin and I wanted to make that super clear They're going to dad deal with it. Oh, yeah, good luck dad. Enjoy Carol You're gonna love it one more on the pile baby two more baby. That's four dogs total or something happened today

Hey, oh, no, I can see out trust his window dad has showed up outside his house in the baseball bat He's just protecting him with his life. He's buying Travis granola and grapes dad is bad at nutrition But yeah Travis, but you did that already, right? Saying is great while I'm watching you could you please call your lawyer and tell them to draft a new will please? I also I don't know how to tell you this question as well, but this like if I if something happens to me I'm leaving whatever to whoever is not normally a gig economy related right thing like because It could happen anytime

Not to me of course, but to other people and so this idea of like it could happen five years from now You've moved you like you went somewhere else and it's just like hey I need you to find this person and give him my dog You could probably do go okay by like Showing the dog how to get to your house. Oh, yeah, maybe if you could persuade the dog to incredible journey Yes, okay, you know you like just you the motion the wheels are already now Hold on doesn't it's been a while since I've seen the incredible journey homework bound the incredible journey But I don't believe it was well looks like it's time for me to move on

This napkin with a mamp on it Sam the whole family beefed it huh shit This dog walker. I really liked it think she's in Poughkeepsie. Do you guys know how to get there? Can we start mosey and along I'll find it Hey, remember me my whole family died. Can I stay with no, okay? Oh fuck well Oh, you got your own dog in the last eight years bummer Okay, this this I let you know what I'm getting out the step. This is weird You can't sorry we tried everything We gave it the old college with that one's just weird. I'm sorry. You can't do it. Can't do that one

Can't do that one. Can we do it? Can we go to the wizard though? Yeah, cuz it's not Really Halloween anymore, but if you wanted to have like a darkness a dark sort of I was gonna invite the wizard to Thanksgiving No No, he's still thinking a lot about He's still thinking a lot about Halloween. There's a huge banner ad for Cape Lanshets tar On my on my screen that I can't get rid of and it's like half the screen Okay, when I do it there roof when I need to adhere roof tiles

Or stop one of the wet bandits. I only reach for one brand and that's Kate Blanchett star a Lot of people said it was strange for me Kate Blanchett to create My own line of tar, but what other Tars on the market? You don't know what's in my heart. You don't know what's in my heart. You don't know what's on my roof Acting is what I settled for but tar is my passion. It's it's the stickiest pitch imaginable I can catch Cinderella on this thing Okay, I've spent two decades perfecting Cape Lanshets Everything else has been funding for this moment my little secret. It's delicious

It's great on your roof great on toast enjoy That's this is how to act evil a villain is usually the most fun character to play But making that kind of evil truly scary and believable takes hard work If you aren't sure how to act evil for your role It helps to start from the outside and work inward once you have the perfect look for your evil character You'll be able to focus on creating a sinister persona Just I will I want to just create a little asterisk there and say evil character most fun to play Little asterisk down the bottom except Deadpool because it looks like mr. Reynolds is having a blast with that character

Yeah, so it seems like it's a villain except Deadpool at the bottom So here's the first step and it is to choose to write clothing evil is for the For the photo on this one for the little doodle for a little illustration. They have a dude like pulling off a t-shirt but it's not like really germane to What the question is about?

okay, and I'm gonna I'll slack the image to you guys cuz it's it's like it's like that's what you guys went with is just like Here we're dark clothing because that's the you know traditional clothing of a bad boy But like then they sent this He's like cut and huh Whoa It's like choose the right clothing evil is typically associated with dark foreboding colors So when you're playing a costume for a villainous character, that's the color palette that you should start with with this

This drawing is like a photo. They took too soon It's like they started drawing it and the guy they were drawing wasn't ready yet It's a it's you could see okay So you see a chest and then hands are pulling a shirt almost all the way off and the face on it is a dark color That's true. Yeah, it's probably putting on a dark color. What a bizarre time to draw this guy. Yeah, and let's step out Let's not this isn't This is not how to do a costume. I think people who come to this article looking for help want to be a real baddie and

So you've got to consider the genre of baddie You want to be one playing your costume you have to take the type That of seeing you're working in so as the time period into account for example While a villain in a western evil character in a futuristic sci-fi play might both wear black the outfits will likely be very different Otherwise man, I wish there really was a futuristic sci-fi play all plays I go to is just like people singing about like their newspaper Well going good dad just went and saw back in London, which is a pretty futuristic sci-fi play if you ask me

Unless you know about something that I don't visa be Like time travel. Well, no, it's just like that the time that he goes to in the future in that movie We already did do that one. So like I would argue it's not so much future sci-fi But if there was one where like spaceship was there and like they had like a Star Wars music like play with like lightsabers and like Jedi babes and like all that. Oh, yeah, cool shit Well griffin I'm sorry that that's not actually futuristic because I don't know if you know the store is actually happened a long time ago Okay, but you know what I mean like Historical fiction add sinister accessories

Like a spiky I patch like a collar spiky color chain wallet chain wallet chain sinister, right? Yeah Vans fucking Jinko jeans Some goggles Jamiroquai hat jamiroquai style beliefs All it really takes guys is a must-eat seat of jamiroquai

That's how you walk on walls and on the ceiling you just have to believe true Go for sleek hair there may be a variety of hairstyles that work well for your character a sleek Slick back do is usually traditional look for a evil character pomade's work best when slicking back short hair clay-based Generalization is it that it is like maybe like a 60 40 split. I don't know it's it's I'm gonna cut ahead. Well do develop a menacing stare. That's the last Avoid looking away. I'm blinking. It's hard But if it was easy to be a evil baddie then Everyone would do it if I could do that if I was capable that I'd probably be doing a lot better like socially

You know what I mean like yeah, that's my bad like I can't yeah If I could stare into people's eyes for more than a second or two without having to then look away I wouldn't need to be a evil guy Yeah, I could be if I wasn't always always always staring at people's eyebrows Yeah, I wouldn't have to look directly into their eyes and they would see yeah, it let's get fun magic nature Let's get let's have audio fun though because this is sounding the part Make your voice deeper while a specific character might call for a certain type of voice villains Traditionally have deep throaty voice that makes them sound evil if you have a naturally deep voice

You probably don't have to alter it much However, if your voice tends to be higher pitch try to give it a lower more menacing sound that means you want to speak universally Travis, please deep oh sorry. It's universally. This is also like Batman voice though. This is well Batman's the Batman's evil to the jokers of the world. That's a good pointer. That's a good point griffin Hello, brother. So let's do a practice Whoa shit Whoa, that was me. I don't know what that was that burnt the alphabet. Yeah, I'll get you next time

Gadget You gotta do more curtsy. That's probably painful, isn't it? Oh, yeah, I'm gonna do it for about three seconds. Yeah I didn't roll vocal fry. It fries the inside of my throat doing sure Identify your chest register by saying the word whoa in as deep a voice as you can Whoa, and on your chest as you speak to feel the vibrations repeat the exercise several times It may help to record yourself so you can listen back to what your voice sounds like we're doing that Okay, so if you all just like put your hand on your chest and just like Yeah, go ahead juice

Hello, man on your chest and on chest and say whoa, were you paying attention? Whoa? Wow, that's really deep Whoa Wow That really works. That really works Holding it here. That's that's really low. That's really that's really low. It's not this is some of our worst audio yet Perfect a menacing laugh really good. That's so cool though. I didn't know I could do that I'm glad you're having fun with your I'm glad your villain arc has begun Justin Well, you have to be evil cuz your voice can do that wait until there's villains in the avengers own

Siebel chase you guys are gonna appreciate. Yeah, you're a freak out. Hey Justin Please don't break that voice out. It's too scary. It's too scary. Can you all perfect a menacing laugh for me? Yeah No, wait, but do it like you did This It's very low. Yeah, it's gonna be low. It's hard to laugh low I actually think the most evil thing you can do is to respond like in this way, that's funny Oh, that's so funny. You're a really funny person. I didn't know you were a comedy guy

Um Why don't they call family guy comedy guy if it's gonna be mostly jokes. Thank you. Thanks. Thanks juice Emphasize the right words when you're trying to act evil the way you speak your lines It's almost as important as the lines themselves a villainous character should emphasize words that have a threatening connotation or mock the other characters For example, if you tell another character You may want to make sure you say With a hard edge, so it sounds like you're really twisting the knife or we could hit it another way you're pathetic I don't care what anyone don't say. I'm not pathetic. You're you're the pathetic one

I didn't say you were pathetic. I know but uh, I could see it in your eyes or looking at me like I was pathetic But I'm not hey man. Um, but listen, I uh, I don't want to diagnose but uh, you want to talk about it Yeah, I like that But oh Stop being a But oh, you're a bully. What? What'd you say? You're the bully. You can't push me around anymore I'm not afraid of you. What?

For you anymore, but oh Give layers to your anger a evil character likely carries a great deal of rape. I'm getting lightheaded from doing them You can't do every single your health Uncontrolled anger instead try to give shades to your character's evil rage according to this story For example, in an early scene you may just glare at another character to convey your low-key anger However, as you approach the climate you want to hear me convey my low-key anger. Yeah, sure Gosh darn it Thor. That was very good Make sure you understand what the character is angry about in every scene. Oh, hold on wait. Stop. I gotta stop you right there wiki

How because you know how every time Anyone plays any Batman villain it does like Fuck them up. Like yeah, no. Yes. Yes. Paul dano still has to like sleep with all of the lights on and yeah And ice around his head It's because he thought like it wasn't just like i'm I'm gonna pretend to be the riddler It was also like but why is the riddler so angry? But then that seeps into paul dano, right and he's like i want to punish people with puzzles

Well, this is why if you're a screenwriter, I don't want to give you notes But it helps to like write in just directly into the script in like uh parentheses like you're angry here And then it's like I don't have to understand it. You just told me that's great I know exactly how to read in fact if you could just start uh screeners start every line with parentheses of like angry angry Happy, hungry, hungry. Anyway, so I don't have to like Uh internalize it in any way whatsoever. I would love that that would be great And all my acting work. Enjoy the pain of others part of being truly evil taking satisfaction Enjoy the pain of others. Enjoy the pain of others when you're trying to act evil

It's important to show how much joy your character gets when other people suffer and convey that even when you don't have any lines That spell it out Now wiki has kind of given you permission cart blanche to eat up scenery in the back. Yeah Yeah, yeah, you don't need to make it always about you Yeah, like when in like those in sci-fi Future in jupiter sending the stage musical When the dog man like breaks up with jupiter and she's like you can't be in the background like Like because then you'll get yelled at

That actually got me fired as a zombie extra in walking dead that every time somebody would get hurt my zombie would go Oh You know like the zombies don't really laugh Travis if you could not and i'm like, ah, but what is more and you and you shout it out like Fuck them up a zombie michael and they're like That's not how the show works like well I was just trying to deepen like the bond between the zombies and maybe we could have some scenes or just the zombies interacting I'm like that's not really what we do and i'm like, maybe it's time to change you been going 19 seasons

Um Go ahead juice I will say just for the purposes of our argument though if you learn to derive joy from the pain of others And you can still derive joy from the happiness of others Sounds like a pretty nice life. You'd be like you're pretty happy Sounds like you've got a recipe for being happy all the time. I mean if everyone does it A stinks but one or two What happened different or someone's gotta do it. Yeah

I'm just saying like if there were more villains in movies and tv shows that just seemed happy all the time Yeah, is that so bad because like lex luther seems kind of a holy shit travis Top community q&a. I want to be evil, but I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. What can I do? You can be evil in a broad sense seek world domination instead of hurting people individually The best evil is insidious and seems good for example in dc comics lex luther is not evil In his own mind. He's looking out for the good of humanity against the evil alien who has come from krypton to enforce His vision of justice on our world. Yeah, he's not explicitly evil just xenophobic and racist He's bad. He's bad in a lot of ways

But he doesn't murder banks I mean, yeah, he's like in that top point one percent of wealth and he could be doing way more with his money But instead he runs for president and hates illegal aliens. Oh, no Oh, no, find some humanity for the characters the last tip. Don't do that. That's weak. Now shitting I hate that shit when it's like in lor the rings when saran is like, you know And this is my puppy. He's like, I'm just doing it for my daughter. It's like, I don't man I was really enjoying like I so you want me rude for now. Right exactly. That's your to her Okay, man, because then it's like when Frodo cuts his fucking head off, right? That's I'm not am I supposed to feel

Confused about that. Samwise is like doing the like, you know, I'm crouching over you So it looks like I'm farting on you and putting my butt on your face because we beat you I want to cheer for that whole heartedly. I don't want to have a moment of like, well But like his daughter was kidnapped or whatever Mr. Freeze is the perfect example. Yeah, you never ever ever see mr. Freeze like Making a throne of ice living it up enjoying frozen foods like that's not him every time you see this other fucker It's always like single cracking my globe frozen tears on the ground probably arose I'm really sad. It's like such a bummer. I've written some poems. Oh my god. I wrote poems

And he's like He's like, but my wife died and it's like, yeah a lot of people's wives died because of your cold Because of your cold gun you made. Yeah. Yeah. Hey Since we're on the subject of Batman organically, thank you. Can we just take a second? second to talk about penny worth because I kind of lost it a little bit today. Everyone knows that That there's a network called epics. Yeah, epix that made a show called penny worth

Yeah, that is the and the subtitle if i'm not mistaken. No, no, no. Don't say it yet. Okay. Don't say it yet Because that subtitle is new newly introduced I just want to say I don't know about this channel show or subtitle. Okay. Griffin. This is so good Penny worth is a series about Alfred right Batman's butler it figured that out. Yeah It is now in it. I thought this thing had been I thought it got a season and then everyone was like, what happened?

An origin story for Alfred today I see ads for they're on season three HBO max exclusive button season three In season three There's a new subtitle and it is The origin of batman's butler Now this is interesting for a couple of reasons one Penny worth is the rare show that's probably better the less you know about it

Yeah, probably once you start thinking about they did a show about batman's butler It starts to feel kind of bad to watch But now the fact that they're like we got to get more people in Maybe now we should reveal that this is actually a story about batman's butler Maybe the producers just got sick of answering answering the question like who I know it's batman's butler You know what? We're just gonna put it right there on the 10. Don't worry about it. Is it like anything? he like learns how to Like make tea and clean up clean up a mess when no, he I think he's maybe like a spy

Yeah, they've done a lot of rat conning with penny worth And penny wise in the last uh a couple years where it's just like he's a fucking sniper Yeah, he's extremely deadly cool cool dude. I like that. I wait I don't want to know if it's good if you watch it. I don't want to know I got lots of things I'm watching don't defend it because I've never seen it. I'm not attacking it. I'm saying conceptually ruinous I don't now that I don't know how I kept going now that I've said it though I would like an alien versus predator penny worth v penny wise if we could just work that out

Even if it's just animated. Uh, I would love that. This is my butler after penny wise. Yeah, I love that God Has batman ever fought penny wise two masters of fear mono eclown. Oh just going at it Batman spends a lot of time in the sewer. He's definitely encountered Penny wise before right? How much do you want to bet batman? Just like I can't I can't I can't Nope I don't see that Let's take a look at the power rankings one

Scarecrow is penny wise and he's kicked his ass before so and the other thing is that penny wise got his ass beat by I think like four dipshit kids. Yeah, who then grew up to be Kind of dipshit adults and they killed him again. So it's like and none of them were let me check spoilers None of them were batman one of them was bill hater. So like, you know, great love bill hater, but not batman. Yeah Okay, so just in here has a oh, okay. This is helpful Let's see. This is this is a quora article juice. You found it Yeah, it's just called how would the battle go between penny wise and batman. There you go. There is no further Clarification is just like what's up? Yeah

So and then there's just like they agree with me. They fucks up scare crow. He's scared people He is scarier than penny wise to a lot of people. So it's like it look by the way the article does in fact Verbate him say here is batman fucking up scare crow. Yeah But I would I would argue that there is a fundament this article begins with answer one But let me ask you something it says in an answer tricky Is there anything that the vigilante of gotham the dark knight is scared of? No, but yes, right like yeah, we routinely see batman fucked up man. He's afraid of shit Does it do all quora articles have so many fucking kick ass

Bitching pictures of batman in them Guys the first question asker has written how the fight would go If I may oh, please. Yes location gothams location gothams city penny wise confronted a homeless kid and said Do you want a balloon little boy the boy seeing penny wise's wicked smile started to cry and run away Penny wise then transformed into a bizarre monster laughed at a scary voice and chased the kid to a small and dark valley Is this written in past tense?

Yeah, and it's written in between some of the most fucking radical bitch and bad bad ass batman picks I've had a kid thought he would be done for until a shadow of bat suddenly appeared a bat shaped logo Shown on the dark clouds. Whoa He's our bitch in pictures of batman. Grandfather wasn't lying. He was standing there on the roof of a house The dark knight showed up Penny rock to penny wise started roaring angrily He tried to attack the kid crusader bat batman dodged it all

Yes, get out the crazy clown then received some big sucker punches from batman. Just like this monster right here There's some cool pictures of batman beating the ass of some unknown beast killer croc I would guess maybe killer croc. It's not penny wise But like I think logic would dictate by the transitive property if batman could beat this monster's ass Penny wise would be dirt in the ground Yep Taking too much damages penny wise ground angrily. Why? Why can't I sense your fear? Why did you sound like batman for penny wise? I guess they do

I was trying to just do my villain voice. I'll take all of you. I'll feast on your flesh as I feed on your fear Not stopping batman to get some explosive. Oh my god. Let's look at this next picture of penny wise Yeah, penny wise turned into this mushy potato And beg batman to spare him There's a picture of penny wise as a mushy potato and then the next picture is batman and over it In what I think maybe joker font. It says what's wrong scared Uh And then it says batman said this in a cold voice. So gifford if you could again in a cold voice

Then he finished the clown Oh my god guys. Yeah, there's a picture of batman walking away from an explosion an explosion that has just killed Right next to this in a box labeled related questions are How would an encounter between the joker and penny wise play out? How would batman defeat penny wise? What if the joker met penny wise who would win in a fight penny wise or the joker who would win penny wise parentheses it Versus deadpool. What would happen if superman met penny wise not fought But if superman I guess ran into penny wise at the supermarket Yeah, I'll tell you who wins between penny wise and deadpool and that's me at the theater with my kids

having the time of my life laughing Loving learning darth vader versus penny wise That seems pretty straightforward. It's I don't know This is fun. This is I wish we did a show that was just like fights You know what I mean, wouldn't it be better? It would be better It's just like people fighting. Yeah, sure. Tell them who's winning it Hey, uh, let's take a quick break and then we'll come back with a lot more show The party's just getting started right after this

It's better it's better Now listen, I know we're all pretty hyped up right now thinking about batman beating the ass of this horrible clown That scared my kids so fucking much and I would love it if this happened But we need to bring it down a little bit because this is I had for calm and I'm I'm not there Like I'm not in the right headspace for it. So if we could work through it together Um, maybe let's do a simple breathing exercise Let's breathe in through our noses and hold it for about five seconds and exhale through the mouth Yeah, I'm trying not to think about all the pennywises you saw while trick-or-treating

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Uh boys before we continue the rest of the episode, you know, we're talking We've hit on a big question here and I know an expert about this kind of thing that I want to bring in I usually read the question. No, no, no, this isn't this is a question We discussed before the break and we're just going to touch on that and then if we have other things to ask me Well, but first let me call a griffin newman. Let me see I didn't know you had a phone Click Uh, hi, is this a griffin newman?

Uh, hi. Yes. Yes. Hi. Who is it? Hi. It's a Travis McRoy your favorite brother from the my brother my brother me Oh, the my jack. Yeah, no my number one in the ranking the I think of you as as the My brother the first my brother title. Wow. I'm so glad. Oh, wait a second. Who is someone else on the line? Oh, yeah, sorry. I had speaker speaker. Yeah, I had to loop Justin and Griffin in too. Sorry about that Um, basically, uh, we were discussing before the break. Uh, what would happen if batman fought penny wise and then A much bigger question about with the joker met penny wise and scarecrow met penny wise and then I started talking about penny worth Griffin, how much do you think about penny worth the fact that they're talking about penny worth the origins of batman's butler? Yes, correct. Yes

I Look, I think about it a fair amount. I think about a fair amount I think a thing that is under discussed with penny worth the origins of batman's butler Is that show existed for two full seasons? Yes. Yes on a channel. No one watches Just called penny worth. Yes, and then they decided for season three. We're gonna put it on hbo max Right treat it like this is new And so like I guess the problem the reason people didn't like this is because the title lacked context We were killing it in every other regard

Well, I mean that that is the tradition that has been established with the epics to hbo max pipeline That we have seen so many in america I I guess I guess I want to know as somebody who did a guest spot on a series that was uh pulled from hbo max So they didn't have to pay me residuals. How many me how many me's could you have paid by just not doing more? Why not like leave infinity trade and then just not do anymore I refuse to believe anyone watches it refuse. Oh, of course. I was on every episode of vinyl the hbo series, which also has gotten Yeah, I I think I was on maybe nine out of ten

I believe I mean most of my I stood in the background and smoked a cigarette and they went sorry We couldn't find anything for you in this one. Yeah, it was cool as shit And if you had leave us said that would be great. You weren't hired on this show. Why do you keep showing up? You're on nine out of ten. Maybe all vinyls Yeah, and and it's it's one of those things that was one of the first shows that got zazz laughed in this recent culling Of this show is not worth the money it takes to print the residual checks for five pennies You do the math on it and you're like

It's not that you're losing money by paying me residuals You're basically saying it costs too much money to hire someone to Calculate how many pennies you're paying me and then the paper itself costs more they're calculating your penny worth Basically, yeah, which is oh my god. This that was infant fantastic I actually did want to ask you about something griff. Why we got you on here, please. Yeah, let's and let's just for clarification griff two so that Oh, come in. It gets yeah. Yeah. Well, they don't call him two. I'm not the first griffon newman He's not two men. So okay. You don't know you know what no for the sake of this episode griffin if you're comfortable with this

How about your griffin woman and I'm griffin two men just so there's a kind of consistency. Yeah, I like that And we should establish you're in disenchanted and that's like the whole reason you're disenchanted Disney plus original film premiering november 18th and the voice of a talking chip monk. That's good. That's good. That's good Let's let's soak that in for a second. Yes. It's good. It's good that he's casting that I'm very I hear there's a rumor According to indb. There's a rumor that Alan. Okay plays a scroll Correct. Give me any dart. I want to go in line. Okay when I want to say griffin when the movie was announced I saw you tweeted a picture of pip and you I believe capture it me And I did not originally assume that meant you had been cast in that role. I thought it was identified

Yeah, you just like identified very closely with the energy of pip the chipmunk No, which I do I mean because it's a thought it was a photo from the first movie where he's standing in front of a plate of Pastrami a cat's is deli with his arm spread out. I want to know what happened to the last guy that played pip It's probably canceled. No, you know what it is these days. Are you kidding me? The real pip I'll give you I'll give you some dirt. It's not it's not very salacious, but uh in the first movie So if for those who haven't seen enchanted is Uh, like a fish out of water movie. Yeah, Amy Adams plays princess jazelle

And she exists in a cartoon hand drawn disney fairy tale princess universe. It's amazing It's a great and she falls through a portal and ends up in real new york And then the whole thing is here's what if a disney princess had to exist in the real world In new york at the beginning of the movie in the hand drawn sort of musically section She's got a bunch of little animal friends like snow white just sleeping beauty her whole Quarterly of animal friends and pip is her little chipmunk friend who's yeah, why he's cracking new york accent Kyle are you talking about here kind of thing? He's got like three or four lines. Are we talking to pip now? Yes

Pip can join the call Pip is officially disconnected from the call But so he only has like three or four lines and then the bit is that when he Falls through the portal and goes into the real world. He is now bound to the the rules of the real world. He can't talk Okay, so for most of the movie pip is mute. There's a great voice actor He squeaks. He squeaks. Okay, so this is the thing. So the director of the first movie kevin lima did all the squeaking And then a great voiceover actor named jeff bennett did the voice for the couple of lines at the beginning of the movie It's only at the beginning. He did like johnny bravo. He's like one of the best voice actors in the world

But there was this weird thing of it's streaming. They can't afford him get griffin. Yeah, probably Yeah, I mean, I think you're jumping at the end of the story here, but yeah Two guys had played pip there wasn't a clear chain of command. There's a different director on this movie. It's been 15 years I truly the way I got the part was I was asked as a favor to fill in at the table read When they were hoping to find a famous person to do it And then they sort of called me a week later. I'm like, what? Did you have a did you how did you psych yourself up with like griffin?

If you nail this You're going on home with this part. Did you did you walk yourself through that? Or is it just like just always putting it out there 24 seven? It doesn't matter. You only know how to bring your a game That's all you have only buckets Well, I try I try to I try to get buckets whenever I can it's a little a little we're being ever speaking honestly here It was a little column a little column b right I I get this phone call for my friend who's the Producer on the movie and he was the producer on the tick as well

And he goes like you'd be doing me a really big favor if you could jump on this zoom and do this table read And basically said to me there's there's no job here There's no job here. That's what they want. They want to see if you'll still bring the buckets That's the thing it was sort of the test and it was like there's no job here But you'd be on a zoom in front of disney people And in front of amy adams and you know, maybe you know make a good impression for something else down You didn't care about dem see just adams like dem see you'll be dem see marzden manzell Oscar from the Oscar Nunez. Yes. Um, so that was how it was maybe allen tutek

I don't want to know you don't tutek wasn't was not yet, which was exciting when he came on later But um, no spoilers I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I have no idea to do something. He might have been a key grip. We don't know no idea Funders he just shows up But so they they say that to me and my calculation in my head juice wasn't Can I steal this part? I truly the limits of my ability at the moment How far I would allow myself to imagine was if I fucking nail this read Maybe they let me be the guy who holds the puppet off camera for reference

Oh The sky captain in the world of tomorrow I I was Absolutely, I was like well this character is animated If they hire a more famous person do the voice, they're not going to want to be there on set I can be the reference voice And I'll hold the puppet and I was like you could be you could be the co bethany olsen the third of the olsen triplets They only use for two shots from behind. Yeah, that was my whole that was my strategy and this is coming right like right out of lockdown

I've just gotten vaccinated and I'm like the idea of anyone hiring me to be anywhere is exciting So I don't need to be in this movie bring me on this set And and then like yeah like a week after the thing they called me and they just said like you're you're so cheap This is so much easier if we just hired if they really say that griffin to you They didn't say that they didn't say that but that was the underlying reality is we could save a lot of money That we can redistribute to the CGI And it would just have you do it. It's hard. It's it's hard because they they not like as people who've been in films It's hard knowing that you're in that position because we would do anything for free, right? Yes. Yeah, so anytime we're not in a movie

Yeah, that's someone said that's another person who has voted like To spend money on nothing essentially like I'd rather them not be in the movie for nothing There's no they would detract every movie that was released without my presence in it Me that the director thought my presence in it would detract from the film It was they were not worth zero dollars They made the decision to invest money Into having someone who is better at acting and voice acting than any of the three of us Well, but griffin I would say statistically griffin one griffin one then there have been plenty of movies that have gone over budget in history

Right, sure those over budget movies went over budget instead of having Justin in them. And that's what I'm saying It's offensive. It's almost more that they would rather lose money. Yeah There's no one to ask you out something while we got you Let's not do the question we had picked out. I only want to hear griffin tumen's thoughts about pity wise v. Batman Let's let's call it audible Okay, we're gonna ask you a question about pickles that was gonna be really a reverent and fun and probably had a good time with it But I only want to know I only want to talk about Batman v. Penny wise the the incredibly

Important supreme court case that was foundational for the for the fate of our country Batman v. Penny wise dawn of justice. I um It's interesting. I mean look first of all, I appreciate you buffering giving me some time asking some disenchanted questions So I could really stew on this one. It was one more. Was that November 18th? Did you say that? November 18th, Disney plus original film streaming everywhere. Yeah, it was it was hard for me to focus on any of that because I was really I know and I I was sort of talking but as I was in my head I was just doing the math because I I worry if I Travis the Travis

Exactly Travis approach. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If I had answered right away I think my answer would have been rash and stupid and poorly thought out and now I've really had to some time to sit on this We all know that obviously the Joker is Batman's greatest Enemy, right? Yeah, the crime the conference. I mean the things that make us cry make him laugh. Yeah um And and also, I mean what the greatest character in American drama. I mean has now become our number one and funniest The funniest the scariest the serious the most serious. Why so serious?

Sometimes too serious if you ask me, yeah But I think this is that thing with the Joker There's that balance where you do feel like the guy is trying to entertain you It's a thing I like about the Joker is that he has bits Even when he's doing violent stuff or mean stuff or dare I say it illegal things? Whoa, right? No, I mean he's he's a he does crime guys. Yeah, he does crime under man's laws not gods But but but he's he's bringing props, right? He's got the fish with the lipstick He's doing little turns of phrase all that the bang gun

Right bang gun and he's got a shtick. He's got an outfit a persona. You're doing a whole thing blow up naggy chilling hall Larry has funny funny. I think penny wise Despite falling into this evil clown trope Yeah Is penny wise ever intentionally trying to be funny? Oh That's interesting. I hadn't even right about that angle And so I'm like I'm trying to do the math in my head and go would batman

hate penny wise more or less Because penny wise is kind of just straight chaos Whereas joker is putting on a show like this is that man It's it's interesting that you are weighing this in a conversation about who would be whose ass No, I think it's it it is interesting to think about like the sport of boxing Yes, is if the if one of the boxers hates the other one much much more No, but you will increase the ferocity of their this is what i'm talking about Okay, and because really bat batman doesn't have powers as we know, right? He's got the gadgets very rich

We know this it makes some very powerful in our broken society But but then he also, you know, he is driven by this this rage this sense of vengeance So I'm like that's the special move meter, right? Right I'm I'm just saying I think there's something to the fact that not only is the joker so twisted But the joker annoys batman like the fits drive him crazy that fills up the special move meter The the bits are also like, you know, they say that the the joker Is like all chaos, right? Right? It seems like the joker is working pretty hard pretty hard on this to do his bits

This is the one who's like, I'm gonna just punch this gift. What if the reason like What if the reason batman is so annoyed by the joker is the batman does find joker funny And he's trying so hard to keep a straight face because that's like his whole bit Canonically the the only time he ever ever busted up with a joker. He fucking kills him Yeah, the only time he ever ever in history busts up at the joker. He's like good one joker snap made him So angry that the joker made him laugh Whereas like pennywise, I wonder if it's just like well, this is a bad guy. So to a certain degree It's a little more passionless. It's a little more routine whipping this guy's ass

Because pennywise like, you know, it's just hanging out in a fucking sewer grate going like come here kid Yeah, which is bad. Which is bad, but he's not like juggling. He's not doing like He's not committing real crimes. I see what you're saying. Right. And he's also not leading with I'm pretending like I'm a normal clown He's kind of upfront just creepy monster in the guise of decrepit clown. You know, right? That's interesting And I wonder if that pisses batman off less and for that reason it's more of just a routine ass whooping We are assuming also Yeah, that

Joke that pennywise where he would appear today on the day that batman lives That he would be this clown, right? Because I feel like he would definitely come as a fortnight guy You know, like I think that he could manifest in any shape. Yeah Uh, I think he would probably manifest as steve from minecraft or like a fortnight kind of guy Interesting or like burger boss from four. He'd pick one of the funny ones peel the funny ones. Yeah Who wants to bust you up? Man, man, I love pancakes Dead war

Right, I think if he does that like batman would be the shit at a dead pull dead pull would drive batman crazy I think if pennywise is affecting a persona like that if he is coming in as like beef boss Batman will get riled up. Yeah, if if he's just a creepy child abductor I think batman's hurts in it a little less, but does he still win though? Well, here's the wrinkle I want to put in Batman rarely goes up against truly supernatural. Yeah, right Pennywise has moves That maybe you're outside of batman's wheelhouse. I mean clay face

Rajah Ghul Clay face is science Killer croc Killer croc has a skin mutation. You leave him alone killer croc science. Uh, mr. Freeze science Riddler just Rajah Ghul is the one who's found a bit. That's right. Yeah, but he's not it take you away from the pit He's just like you or me Exactly. Listen and everybody's got pits when we get down to it metaphorically speaking. Of course. Of course

Do you think batman ever encounters a villain who's just like a guy robbing a bank and he's like, what's your stick? He's like, what do you mean? It's like, what are you or you're robbing man? No, I'm just my name's dug and I'm robbing this bank I don't know I need money. I have no marketable skills Yeah, it's just like a regular crime. It's this isn't really a batman thing. Okay, I'm gonna go um Uh, why is everybody in Gotham robbing banks at night? That's a gentleman gentleman ghost is a batman villain and I don't think you guys could okay convince me that that's not Call the shade

That that is a good pull. I and I for the listener at home You did just spend a minute locking in on clearly an extensive google search trying to find out Yeah Well, okay I google supernatural batman villains the number one one is fucking rajal ghoul because he can do magic and is Immortal and shit. Yeah, but consistently rajal ghoul Gets away from batman Or like sometimes via death

But this is a good point. Rajal ghoul is one of the slipperiest batman foes batman rarely gets the better of him I think the super and gentleman ghost. It's like I don't I think I think it's a bad day for batman when gentleman ghost shows up Oh, yeah, what is like, I know what to do with this guy. I know his moves, right? Gentleman ghosts slippery and I wonder even just like I don't think pennywise is stronger than batman, but I think if pennywise starts doing that fucking dance Batman just might be thrown off his axis. Yeah. Oh and by the way, we are I think all in our minds imagining bill's guard guard Yeah, of course

I don't know that we are imagining tim curry. I'd not like, you know, obviously iconic tim curry pennywise like Incredible not the physicality isn't there and so much for me with curry you're saying you imagine curry and and uh His is more of a cerebral terror. Yes. I was actually Bill scars guard. Yes when bill scars start does is like And starts like, you know flossing and doing orange orange We gotta start recording guys seriously. We're gonna run out of time Griffin, uh, welcome to show Griffin Newman. Sorry. We don't have more time to chat real quick Gotta rush you on through november 18th disenchanted. Yes. Yes. Uh, pip the chipmunk now talks the entire film

Through now more chipmunk More chipmunk. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I just have to ad lib some I did. Yeah, I got I got a couple in there. Don't you hate that? Like you guys had months to write this just do good jokes in the script the first time I got the what the one i'm proud of. I think I got a sciatica joke in there Are any uh any any d's nuts? I don't want to go on too much. I try All right, maybe can you record? Oh, can you record a few as pip d's nuts jokes that then our fans can

Cut in and like use it as tick tock. That'll go like super viral if you just give us some Okay, so just I just want to contextualize this before I see this Yeah, yeah, and the the context will be in it every time we play him. Of course, of course, of course No, you cannot you cannot divorce the context from this Uh, so that just you know to the many disney executives listening to this episode right now Of course when I'm about to talk about d's nuts the nuts I'm speaking of are the nuts that pip the chipmunk boroughs and stores and Cannot interpret this any other way. No

Okay, ready? Yeah Hey, hey you guys want some bofa? You don't need any that's it. We don't even need the punchline. That's it. That's actually perfect Griffin Newman, thank you. Uh, disney plus this she had a november 18th catch it fun for the whole family Thanks to Griffin Newman for the uh, fantastic Fantastic segment that we've already recorded and it is good. Yeah, definitely. What was your favorite joke from it? I liked uh, when griffin Newman talked about which one of us was his favorite brother No

Spoilies wait, you already heard it. You already heard it. So it's already spoiled it Um, thank you so much griffin. Uh, make sure you watch dis enchanted on this the disney plus Suze is live. I can't wait. I'm so I can't wait either. Uh, hey, we I don't think I've ever done this before but There are not going to be new episodes of our shows next week We are taking our first ever Staff retreat. I know you might think you got when you guys go into fucking Kennywood The three you guys go into Kennywood you have to take a whole week off for that

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