My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 161 - Live at the Blaisdell Concert Hall in Honolulu

Episode Date: February 21, 2019

Karen and Georgia cover the murder of Yvonne Mathison and the Maui Yoga Twin case.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Are these crowns? Oh, where's yours? I smell good now too. I mean, this is fucking cool. It's so bananas that we're here because what really happened is like our tour agents always like, here's where the numbers are, you're going here, you're going to Des Moines, you're going, and we're like, okay, and then once in a blue moon we'll be like, can we go to, and like Hawaii's the second one we ever did that way.

When did either of us ever use that tone of voice ever? We're like, we're like, this is fake. We're like, sorry, we're going to Detroit in February. What's this now is the tone of voice that usually is. What if my real voice, this is my podcasting voice. And what if I'm like the Theranos lady, my real voice is like this actually. When I start actually talking about my murder and blood samples, just a drop of blood. Just a simple drop of blood.

The whole thing was fake. Love it. It's not this podcast. Sorry. Different podcast. And then we said, can we go to Hawaii? And he said, okay. And then we're fucking here.

We're here and we're real. We're real. I had so much to say. Oh, look what we saw. This is like the first thing that we saw. Yeah. Oh, maybe over there. Yeah.

There's just no direction. Steven. Yeah. Yeah. Good job guys. That's where Barry grew up with his grandma. Yeah. Thanks for raising up a good one.

We're sorry. God. Just amazing. Truly. Steven is not here. We brought our friend Lizzie instead. Truly. This is becoming like a kind of thing where every single live show, we say Steven's not here.

Every single for, you know, like 40 live shows. And still the audience is like, ah, like this is our line. Yeah. Dang it. Yeah. That's true. And even rises up from the back. I bought my own plane ticket, bitches.

Wait, who's watching the cats? Actually, my dad is watching the cats. We're letting him back in the house, even though we're almost Marty. He said, he texted me, tell everyone I say hello. I'm not. He said, tell everyone I say hello. So hello from Marty. But I, in a fit of sadness last week and when we were away and missing the cats, bought

a way too expensive cat monitor. It's just a video thing. It's amazing. And now I'm not. Stop talking to them, please. I beg you. My cats are the audience. Jesus Christ.

I was going to put a photo up, but it turns out you can see my disgusting bedroom when you can see the cats. Did you put it up? No, I did not. Oh, you're like, there's no way anyone's going to see that picture. It's terrible. Venetian blinds. I mean, what are the ones that are?

Yeah, yeah. No. Like level or blinds? The up and down ones. Vertical blinds? Vertical blinds. Tell us that. Why do you have vertical blind shame when everybody has those?

Okay. Yeah, don't. I don't know. You don't own that apartment. Okay. That's your landlord's bad taste. This is my favorite murder, the podcast. This is Karen Gilgarov.

This is Georgia Hart Stark. I'm actively sweating. Oh my God. So much sweat. Tell me about your dress. Oh, this old thing. Well, normally I wear just an all black version of this, but I was like, I can't go to Hawaii and just wear all black, like a weird goth.

I mean, I know I can. I know I can and that they exist here. 808 state was a great band. I believe me. I've lived it. But I was like, yeah, I need to bring that floral look into it a little bit. So I did. And of course, I got this dress because it has pockets.

But I also had to. All of the flowers. Whatever turns out we're both terribly allergic to these flowers. Just deathly. Deathly allergic. Yeah. I am wearing a dress that I bought when we were in another city that we were like, It's a good one, and we went into this vintage shop, and I tried a bunch of stuff on, and

I didn't like anything, but the guy was so nice and eager that I felt bad, so I bought this $13 dress. It ended up loving, but I've never had a chance to wear it. Well, and now's your time. Walk it back and forth. Do a whole thing. I'm bad at that. Well, should we sit down?

Let's do it. I have to take one layer of flowers off. I know. Me too. I feel crowded. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my hair.

It's just on me. Is that rude? Did we do that wrong? Is that rude? Okay. Yes, it's definitely rude. That's just how it is. Those are so gorgeous.

They're so gorgeous. They are. They smell good. I like them. Why don't you tell them about this podcast? Oh, okay. Hey, guys. I feel like everybody here knows.

We're so thrilled to be here. We're so thrilled, and we realize that we've really tapped your population, and we honestly were like, we might show up, and there's like 62 people there. It's a very good chance, and we were like, we don't give a shit. We're doing this thing. We got here, we got backstage, and I like to pronounce it the Aloha Arinos. Sent back. Yeah.

That right? Sent back boxes. You guys. Upon bags, upon boxes of Hawaiian treats for us. It was insane. I am so high on sugar right now. We've been eating things. Okay, that lemon coconut cake bomb thing, that was from, I think it's from Pipeline

Bakery. Holy shit. Holy shit. That salty mollicada situation. Oh, everything. You guys. Incredible. But.

I really have eaten so much sugar today. Also, there's just a bag of like Hawaiian chips. We're like, yeah. The rare Hawaiian chip. So thank you. Thank you. Yes. Thank you so much, you guys.

That was so nice of you. Yeah. What a lovely welcome. Yeah. It's almost like Aloha. So, you know, the Aloha Arinos know where they are and what's going on, but for all the people who might have seasoned tickets to this theater, or whose partner might have dragged them along against their will, we just sort of do a quick Asplice Review at the

top of this, because this is a true crime comedy podcast. And sometimes when people hear that combination, they immediately get defensive, or they get offended, or they say, how dare you do that, or you can't do that. And so we like to start this show off by saying that when you listen to this podcast, and you know us, and you get to know us, you understand that the comedy part is just our natural personality. It's the expression of each other. It's how we talk to each other. And then it's us talking about the thing that we've both been obsessed with since we were

like 12 years old. It's a thing that we love and that we're super fascinated by. And so we process it together, and it is the worst of humanity. These are the stories that are the worst of humanity. Parallel to that is the comedy. It's not of that. And so that seems to be an important point to make to some people. The people, I think, who get offended by stuff like that, we just want to say, top of the

show, you probably should get the fuck out. Your friend will meet you in the lobby. There's a great beach nearby. Is there? I don't know. We'll all meet you there after. And we can work through this together. We're going to do it.

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That was like a little surprise in there, hidden for you. All right. Okay. Here we go. We're going to do- We're going to get rid of Obama's apartment. Oh, yeah, that's weird. How do we do it? I don't remember.

Four, six, eight. Wait, is it going to be that way? No. Maybe someone else will do it. Okay. Under the table works. No. No.

Well, it's going to stay up there all night forever. Picture, if you will, a brown apartment building. Okay, now I'm angry at it. Ah, there we go. Okay. How'd you do that? What did you do? I don't know.

I don't know. Okay. I think it's that way. Okay. Guys, this is the murder of Yvonne Matheson. Wow. Okay. Great.

Because I'm going to tell you about it. Either way. Let me first tell you about the town Hilo, all right? Man, that place seems chill as fuck. If I've been to Hilo Hatties, would I know anything about Hilo? I don't know. Okay. It's on the big island, of course.

It's larger than the state of Connecticut. Like anyone fucking knows how big that is. Can I just say it like using that as a, like, oh, that's huge. Oh, I'm from California. Yeah. Nothing makes sense. We don't even think about Connecticut ever. So we don't know.

But let's pretend it's huge. It's fine. Even though there's only a little over 15, 150,000 people, that's less than Connecticut, I'm guessing. Is it? Probably. This is, someone wrote this. It's got the fucking active volcanoes going on, mountains, it's beautiful, a bunch of fucking

hippies went there and stayed there. Sure. And like, so it's kind of a chill place, little sleepy, not as much tourism as here. So they wouldn't, for example, want me to go there, I don't know. Oh, I get it. You know. Yeah. Is that where Oprah lives?

I don't know. That's not it. It wasn't a sincere question. All night long. And they're known, and this is why, they're known for their sweet potato bread, which I'm like, sign me to fuck up for that shit. Okay. So in the 1960s, a dude named Ken Matheson, he's a kid.

He moved from, he moved to Hawaii from Alaska. He's 13. That's a big change. Yeah. Let's just talk about, he immediately got the flu when he landed here, purely because of the temperature change. And Alaska is bigger than, smaller than Connecticut. I don't know.

This is not a geography podcast. This podcast, it's true crime and it's also Connecticut based. So as long as everyone gets the reference points, I think we'll be fine. However. Okay. So he comes here as a kid, however, as a kid when he's 13, because his dad becomes the reverend in the town of Hilo. And later he becomes the police chaplain at Hilo's only police place.

Okay. Station? Thank you. They adjust to their new lifestyle, of course, because it's not Alaska anymore. And so they're like, this is great. Probably. You can imagine. So many less Timberwolves.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. So then he's 18. He goes to college on the mainland and joins the military. He's discharged in 1976, comes home at 26 years old and he takes a job waiting tables at a local restaurant called Ken's House of Pancakes. Open 24 hours after a party while I'll swim there.

Now, did Ken franchise this and turn his name, change his first name to international? By any chance? Totally different business. Flat roof. Yeah. Okay. Got it. Totally different.

Okay. But it looks rad. I have a feeling that a lot of young outsider got punks had grilled cheeses at one in the morning there. Sure. And said, I want to get out of here. I hate it here. You know, like they do in Connecticut.

Okay. So he gets his job. I'm sorry, Connecticut. I'm sure you're lovely. I just pictured two Goths being pen pals. One in Hilo and one in Connecticut. Perhaps New Haven. I didn't pick a city, but just writing to each other about...

I'm crying. Oh, it really touched you. It did. All right. So Ken works at Ken's House of Pancakes. No relation. And pretty soon though, this beautiful waitress catches his eye, and he has to know who she is.

Her name's Yvonne Martin. Martin's. And she's born and raised in Hilo. She's from a poor Portuguese family. They're really tight-knit and close. And she grows up as the oldest kid, like basically raising her siblings, because her parents were working and teaching how to read and write. She's just this lovely, nurturing woman.

And she had gotten married the year after she graduated high school, way back in 1965. My 19... Like 11 years later, where we're at, she starts waitressing at the pancake house. She has two kids and a divorce. So she's like, here we are. That's life at Ken's House of Pancakes. I mean, you know what I mean? It's fast-living.

Yeah. It's carb-based. Yeah. It's the same size as Connecticut. I don't have to tell you guys. These are the last people I have to tell. I know. Of course, Ken and Yvonne, she's this beautiful, lovely woman.

They fall in love, and within a year, they're married to each other. A photo of... Can I do this? Try it. Good luck. Thank you. You're like challenging me. Damn it.

You can do it. Oh, there we go. Oh! There we go. Sweet baby angel. So they get married, but her family aren't stoked on Ken. They think that he's taking advantage of her vulnerability, having been in a new divorce, being a single mother, and her sister-in-law describes Yvonne as an angel, an actual angel,

saying that she would do anything for anybody else before herself. So they were a little like, not into how quickly she jumped into this new marriage. After they got married, Ken joins the Hawaii County PD. It's the island's only law enforcement agency, Sheriff Place, police place, as I call it. He, let's see, he starts in the undercover unit, he's promoted to sergeant in 1985, but he wants to do other things, like construction. So... Sorry.

You don't see the... No, no, I mean, like, you can have your hobbies. That's fine. Right. I mean, I enforce the law all day long, but then I want to lift a bunch of bags of cement to relax. I mean, those are two different jobs, you know, full-time, I would think. Yeah, pick your second, what you're interested in can be a thing that's also not a job.

Right. Yeah. But you do, on your time, like knitting. Put your feet up. Yeah. How about, you just like TV. Yeah. You just like TV.

That's our hobby. Yeah, hello. It's a good hobby. So he builds a home for the family, and... Oh, with the construction interest. Uh-huh. Sorry. That was, that whole thing was a setup for building a house.

No, no, no, no. There's more. Okay. You're not wrong. Got it. He, so Yvonne and her two kids, they all live there with their son that they have together, Ken and Yvonne, named Michael. And in 1986, then he builds a small shopping center on the west side of the island.

Wow. Yeah. His own? No, like for everyone. It's not private. Is that what you mean? It would be cool if you opened your own shopping center and you're like, I'm sorry, this is mine.

That's Karen's pay less shoes source, I'm sorry. Build your own. I mean, build your own. How about you build your own? Truly. He builds a public shopping center. Okay. You nice of you specified.

You're right. My bad. Is the shopping center bigger than Ken and Ken? No. No. Um, it, but okay, so yeah, it's, you know, you know what a shopping center looks like. But pretty soon, so no, no tenants are moving into the shopping center. He's just built.

So he, they start to have money problems, which of course we all know turns into fighting and relationship problems because money. Yeah. Um, so they're fighting a lot and her family starts to notice little things changing about her. Like she's wearing sweaters on a really hot day and then one time her brother, who's like this, I got a lot of this from city confidential as an episode of that. And her sweet brother is just like the amazing, uh, he saw some bruises on her arms and she

blew it off as like, you know, I was helping build things, um, which is like, no, yeah. So she denies that he had anything to do with it. And, uh, but one day, one day they're having marital problems. She calls him at the police station and be like, Ken, where are you? And then they're like, Oh, you didn't know he transferred to a different station out of here. And that's how she found out that he left her. What?

I know. I had solely fucked up. Um, so they get a divorce and her family's like relieved, even though she's unhappy, but, um, but she's really worried about raising her, her kids without a father. And so, um, she becomes a maternity nurse at the Hilo medical center and starts to do stuff on her own. So she and Ken reconcile and they remarry in 1991. But what about the part where, yeah, what about the part where he fucking ghosted her

and his own shopping center? No, he took that with him. Oh, we did. Folded it up. Yeah. And a little suitcase. Portable. She's a wave of the future.

She tries to make it work. Yeah. She wants her kids to have a dad. Yeah. Um, so that he's, God, in the city confidential, they interview him in the way that's like, we're going to pretend he's not in prison. So you don't know. I'm so onto that shit where it's like, Oh, I see your light blue shirt.

Yeah. He's got a light blue shirt. He's in a room that looks like adult daycare. Yes. Like a painting on the wall. Yeah. But just the one. Yeah.

It's like, let's brighten this place up a little. It's still prison. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And he just had the way he speaks. It sounds like he really needs a sip of water and his mic is turned up all the way. Well, both of those things could have been happening.

That's true. But it was just this weird, you know, the thing where you go, he's guilty that, you know, even though it's just doesn't, the jail mostly makes me do that. Yeah. That'll do it. Yeah. And the fact that he's guilty. Yeah.

Okay. So, um, so he, he claims that they, they started dating more. He quit construction. So we could spend more time with him, her, but he's saying this from prison. So, you know, take it with a grain of salt. And so one day on November 27th, the day after Thanksgiving, 1992, Ken and Yvonne spend a day with her family. They all say it was a great day.

They were like really hopeful that things would be on the up and up now. And then they drive away for a romantic getaway. And there's a downpour that day and it's the rainiest place in the country. Did you know this? Hilo? Or no, the island, it's always raining, but this is like an extra, extra downpour like double time global warm style. And so, uh, police aren't surprised later when they get a call about a traffic accident

on a winding mountain road. It happens all the time. But when they, the patrolman shows up, it's something he's never fucking seen before. There's a van in the ditch on the side of the road. And when he, when the patrolman comes up, he finds Kenneth Matheson holding his, his wife's body, like, you know, cradling her. They rush Yvonne to the hospital, but she passes away. And then Ken's father, remember, he's the fucking chaplain.

He has to call her family to be like, to tell them what happened, which is insane. And so what Ken's story is, is that he and Yvonne were driving to the small town of Volcano at the top of the mountain. They're going to spend a romantic weekend alone. She's driving. They're going to fight and, um, she just jumps out of the slow moving van that she was driving. That's his story. That she was driving.

Uh-huh. Okay. That's, that she just, listen, I've, I've gone out with people where I want to jump out of the car for sure. I may have even tried it a time or two, but you'd stop the car first, probably. Or I was just the passenger. It's a different thing. Right.

Yeah. Right. It's not, that's not the smartest. That's not a story. To give people. Exactly. Yeah. So he says he had to take off his seatbelt and heroically climb into the driver's seat

to get control of the car. It's raining, everything. Um, and he says he drives up and down the road searching for her. He can't find her in the downpour. And when he does find her, he, she's on the side of the road, bloody and lifeless. And he picks her up and tries to put her in the van and hold her until he flags down a coming car and tells them to get police. And then he tells police he thinks he ran over Yvonne when he was driving in the rain.

Okay. Yeah. Remember, fucking, sounds like he needs water. That's a lying person. That's a lot. That's someone with a big lie in their mouth. That's right. Yeah.

And yeah. Okay. Blue shirt. So, um. Connecticut. You know. You know. Connecticut.

You already know. Yvonne's family are like, fuck that shit. No. Thank you. And, uh, they also think that he's faking grief and, uh, and he has a scratch. Her brother notices he has scratches on his face and arms and he's, they're always very suspicious. Um, and so, uh, but public suspicion, people in the fucking town start to get suspicious

when the police classify Yvonne's death as a misdemeanor negligent homicide and turn the case over to the traffic unit for a follow-up investigation. So here's the thing about, um, Hilo is the relationship between the police and the public at that time was really strained because since the mid-80s, so this fucking island is huge and there's lots of places to hide the pot you're growing. Oh. And then the DEA is like, no, we're going to find it. And the people are like, can we just, can you just leave us alone?

And they're like, no. So there's like kind of tension going on. And like that with guns, I would imagine. Yeah. Lots of guns. It's that conversation, but with a ton of guns. And isn't it funny to think of it from that perspective of this insane thing that was happening and now we can go by pod and smoke it like on the street.

Yes. It's so fucking bananas. Yeah. Well, I mean, we can. Oh yeah. You'll get there. Yeah, you're close. It's on the way.

We saw it on the way here, the cannabis convention this weekend. Yes. Get your tickets now. Did you guys just come from there? Get your tickets because you'll forget. You'll be in front of the TV and be like, oh, I don't feel like going to the cannabis convention anymore. How many people are like having anxiety there?

There are just too many people. That'd be hilarious. It's a convention center full of people who are lightly freaking out or just like, what's that guy doing over there? It's like, he's freaking out too. You're all freaking out. Pot is too strong these days. It's a thousand times stronger than it was 30 years ago.

There's no need. There's no need for that. It's a teeny little hit and you're good. Yeah. Even that. Let someone else take a hit. You walk by, go, you're done, you're good. You'll be high for seven hours.

I literally think she's talking to me because I'm paranoid. No. Okay. So they're cracking down on the marijuana growers, the police are mad, the people are mad at everyone and they felt that the department wasn't really paying attention to the people and it was kind of because her death was classified as a misdemeanors, many islanders were fucking pissed off. So there's a Unitarian church group and they start an action committee.

They're also like, fuck this shit. Yeah. Unitarians are like that, aren't they? They're just in your face, fuck you type of people. Totally. That's what I've always heard. And the basis is for an organization called Citizens for Justice and they cover the, they're like this, we can't let the police get away with this, they cover the island with fliers

and petitions calling for an independent investigation of Yvonne's murder and demanding that can be fired. So they're like, fuck this shit, double time. They hold rallies and vigils, she was there for victims of violence. Or it's just a cat. There's like a huge cat in here. It's one of two things and they both rule. Did I leave my phone, did I leave it?

It's definitely a cat. And they hold rallies and vigils for victims of violence, apparently Unitarians are good people. Okay. Honey. I mean, of all the heckling that you could get, it's not the worst, we've had worse. However, but where was I? We'll never know.

They hold rallies and vigils for victims of violence. Meanwhile, the student named Martin Eleazar, he's the traffic investigator assigned to the case. And he's investigating the biggest piece of evidence, I'm going to burp. The van. So, excuse me, I'm so sorry, I had so many sweets backstage. Okay, so he's looking at the van, biggest piece of evidence, and he starts to get puzzled when he sees blood stains and blood spatter on the driver's side window and door and

door frame, the one that she jumped out of, remember? And on a bolt on the driver's side window, he finds hair and tissue that suggests that her head had come in contact with that at some point. So everything indicates that what happened wasn't a traffic accident. And he sees on the front of the van, there's no indication that he hit anyone or hit anyone. So Hawaii prosecutor Kurt Spohn, probably, great guy, he receives the traffic investigation findings, he orders his own investigation into Ken's background, and they discover that after he and the van had gotten remarried, he took out a life insurance policy, say it

with me, every time, every single time, for $400,000, $400,000. And if she died by accident, the coverage increased to over half a million, and I feel like they shouldn't tell people this, if it was a result of an automobile accident, the payout would be almost $700,000. So I feel like when they do life insurance policies, they should just be like, we're not telling you what makes the most money. No. You know.

I don't think there should be gradations of quality of death. If he falls from a cliff, it's this much. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. If he's, I don't know, somehow taking a picture with his wife and she says back up, no two more steps, and then falls into the Grand Canyon, that's $7 billion.

Anyway, let's see what happens. Go have fun. And when the autopsy report comes back, it, of course, also pokes holes in Ken's story, there's defensive injuries on Yvonne's arms, and there are injuries to her head that weren't made by a fucking car. And it looks like someone had hit her on the head with a pipe, is what they surmise. But then, because they had done, they had done the autopsy thinking that it was an accident, so then they were like, well, let's, we need to do this again with a forensic pathologist,

put court order in to have her remains disinterred, uh-oh, she's already been cremated by Ken. Yep. So the attorney takes the evidence he has, ships it off for analysis to an FBI crime lab where none other than Dr. Lee, our friend, Dr. Henry Lee, our friend and colleague. He's one of my favorite colleagues, I would say. Second only to Georgia HeartStruck. Thank you. You guys should see him at the Christmas party, he really lets loose.

It's just crazy. Okay, months before the report comes back, meanwhile, the citizens for justice are putting pressure on the police and finally, in December 1993, over a year after Yvonne's death, the lab reports come back and the next day, Ken is arrested and charged with second degree murder. Yay. Unitaria! Oh!

Here we go. Nope, wrong way. There we go. Look at this. Oh. Dic. Dry mouth. Uh.

Dry mouth is a good sign. Right? Yeah. That means you're a liar. It's 1995 when the case goes to trial finally and, of course, the courtroom's packed, Ken's lawyer petitions to have him try it outside of the place where everyone hates him and they're like, the judge is like, nope, okay. He'll stay in the hate zone, the judge said.

Yeah. Right here. The jury of your haters, fair enough. The jury goes into deliberations and Thanksgiving is the next day when they go into deliberations so everyone's like, all right, they're going to take, they're going to stop it, they're going to, you know how we all do on Thanksgiving, no one gives a shit the day before, the day after, but they're like, no, we're fucking staying here until we have a verdict and it only takes them three hours to announce that they have a verdict and it's midnight when

the jury foreman announces that Ken Matheson is guilty of second degree murder and kidnapping and sentenced him to life in prison. Wow. And then they went to Thanksgiving dinner. Yeah, they did. I mean, that's got to be a hard one. In 2009, the, so he, the fact that this dick like back and forth tries to get his conviction overturned and his conviction shortened, he sues the state in 2010 to disqualify the

parole board, whatever, they say it's patently frivolous. It happens again and he panel reduces his mandatory minimum sentence to life in prison to 25 years on the murder conviction, which would mean he's eligible for parole on November 7th, 2020, but don't worry, he died in prison. Just when the audience got super worried, because they forgot about all the Unitarians that were going to take care of business in 2020, yeah, they got your back, but then the Lord himself came in and was like, stand down, Unitarians, I'm taking care of this. Enough of this bullshit.

Stand down. The Jews got this. We're like, let's, we'll take over the Jews got this, we got this. We got it. She's Jewish too. Christ, wait, so he dies in 2015, just shy of his 64th birthday, and, oh, let's look at, I think his, his ugly old mug is on this. I just don't, there's no, okay, you're going to see it later when Karen next, Jesus Christ.

Yeah, that's, turn it off, turn it off, turn it off, I don't know how, get it off there. All right, and Yvonne's death, of course, remained. That looked like, remember that tool video with the little animated things that like brush each other and stuff? That's what that guy's face looked like to me, like real like, ooh, ooh, I don't like it. Yvonne's death remains one of Hilo's most impactful cases, and of course her family and friends miss her much, and that is the murder of Yvonne Matheson.

Wow. All right, well, I'm going to do the Maui Yoga Twin murder. What is that? Dude, I found this at 3 a.m. last night, and I kept scrolling articles and going, I think I'm still asleep, because this is, it's just nuts, it's just nuts, okay. Some of my sources are the magazine, The Cut, The New York Post, The Daily Mail. This story was everywhere, and it spans our whole great nation. Even Connecticut?

No. There was a ban on Connecticut when this took place. Okay, so I'm just going to start at the beginning. Now known as the Yoga Twins infamously, they were born Allison and Ann Dadow in Unica, New York in 1978. They had an older sister, two years older, named Amy. Their mom tragically died when they were five years old, and their mother's death brought the three sisters even closer together during their formative years.

Allison and Ann had very active social life growing up. They ran track, they ran cross-country, they had a reputation for being popular and fashionable, and they were the captains of their high school cheerleading squad. Nope. I swear to God, I did not do that on purpose. I was worried that was going to happen. I'm so sorry. It's totally my fault.

There we go. Jesus Christ. You know that what sucks is when you don't know the story that the person's telling, and so you see a photo and you don't know if you'd be like, oh, they're cute because you don't know if they're murderers or if they're not. It's really, so I'm just going to nod. Sometimes that's what we have to do. So that's basically their young life.

In 2008, when they're 30, they moved down to Palm Beach County, Florida, and they opened a yoga studio called Twin Power Yoga. So I guess in the 12 years between high school and when they moved to Florida, they just got super, super into yoga. I mean. How into yoga? Do you think they, like, there we go. Nope.

Do you think they like to do, went to Down Dog or do you think they like, there we go. Look at it. Okay. All right. That's the teacher training manual that the Power Twin Yoga studio put out. Are you allowed to be a teacher if you're not a twin? Yeah, you. Oh, sorry.

You didn't share that your mother's uterus with anybody. Get the fuck out. This is, this is so, what do you call that when you put like a filter on a picture? A filtered? It's, yeah. This is so filtered. There's like 17 filters on this. Oh my God.

It's like you're on Instagram now. Yes. That has, that has been filtered to the max. They filtered it so hard, the back wall looks great. Like. Okay. All right. All right.

So they're, they do very well, they're very successful. They soon become very well known in the area because they drive around and they're matching Porsche boxers. One of which has a personalized license plate twin power TWN, P-O-W-R, but only one of them. So only one's a super nerd because you know, that's what yoga is all about. Power and material goods. So a local Florida tabloid called gossip extra regularly would refer to the twins as the terrible twins of yoga.

A fucking local gossip. Oh, I'm not a catty place to live. Yeah. Well, and also it's a Florida gossip. So she's like, did you hear that she did so much meth, she fell down a sewer? It's like, the rules are different in Florida. You guys know, you guys know all those people that cheered when I said Florida, they're like in the back row crossing their arms as hard as they can.

Those who know them say that Alexandria is the twin with the bigger and more dominant personality as opposed to Anastasia, her sister who was, who was quiet. Okay. And according to their spiritual advisor, Leslie McMichael, the fake, the fakeest name I've ever heard in my life, it's like, it's as if I typed it as I was writing this up. What's a name? Leslie McMichael, put two first names together and we'll see what happens. That's such a romance novel name.

Yeah. For real. Brought to you by Leslie McMichael. So in 2011, the twins were approached to star in their own reality TV show, right? TLC is like, what you say, twins in yoga and Florida, we're there. We can't resist it. Oh, so they, I guess they were making videos. It's perfect because it's like, if your yoga instructor could show you how to do it on

herself. Yeah. It seems easier when the person who's telling you how to do it and the person who's doing it are exactly alike. Now I get it. Now I understand. She looks like she's like a magician hovering her over. That's right.

Yeah. You can't, it's blocked by that, but you can't see that her toes are up off the ground. This is the most magical yoga. Twin powers activate form of nerds, shape of, they always, was it me or in that cartoon where they always a bucket of water? I'll talk to you about it after. I don't want to talk to you about it now. Okay.

So the, but the producers of this claimed reality show pushed them into renting a more expensive studio space. And then they pulled out of doing the reality show, which left the twins with a huge expense that they couldn't afford. And as a result, they took on a massive amount of debt. So as a person who's worked in television and in reality shows, I will say to you, Leslie Mick Michael, you're full of shit because there's no way any kind of, if they're going, like we think we might do a show, rent a studio for $11,000, like it, it simply doesn't work

that way. Right. So TV is fake, fake, fake and scripted and fully written. So they're not going to be like, no, go rent something. Like, they'll just make you stand in front of a building that you don't ever go into. And they'll be like, look at their gorgeous studio. So I call bullshit. So three years later, after they're burdened with this terrible studio debt, three years

later, they closed their yoga studio. I say do it in the first year. Walk away. Yeah, right when you start losing money so that you don't continue to lose money for three years. Exactly. But hey, maybe the reality show producers wouldn't let them. So they, they closed their yoga studios plural.

They had had a couple around town without paying any of the employees and without reimbursing any of the memberships for the people that joined up. You can't piss off yogies, man. Oh fuck no. Don't piss off yogies. No. They'll come at you with knives. And then they, oh I wrote, but they did it without paying any of their employees or refunding

the fees of their members like the Buddha himself. Then they just hightail it out of Florida and moved to Park City, Utah. So after they arrived in Utah, Allison and Anne do the totally unsuspicious thing and change both of their first and last names. So Allison Dato becomes Alexandria Duvall and Anne Dato becomes Anastasia Duval. Oh, I think I was calling them their fake names too early. Well, we didn't want to get confused. Okay.

I gotta say, you know, sometimes. I did right up there. Sorry. You want to change your look, get a haircut, do something, try changing your fucking entire name. Yeah. It'll really just make you. I mean, if you like the DMV, get, do you love paperwork?

Yeah. Get in there. Change your entire name. Change. Change the most basic and difficult things or wax your eyebrows. There's all these ways that we can feel better. Okay. So listen.

In January of, uh, oh wait, so they're in Park City getting comfortable. They open up a new yoga studio, but they're both in $150,000 worth of debt. Both of them. Each? Each. That's $300,000. Great math, Georgia. Thank you.

That's a lot of money. It's, it's, it's six figures. So they almost immediately have to file for bankruptcy, like right after they get to town. Um, and paperwork, they, right. They love that paperwork. So much paperwork. They're like, can we go to the courthouse again? Uh, yes, you can.

Anastasia, the fakest name I've ever heard. Second only to Leslie McMichael. Um, then they get themselves into some legal trouble. In January of 2014, the twins got themselves kicked out of a Park City restaurant for being drunk and disorderly. Hey. Hey. Hey.

How loud do you have to talk to get kicked out? But I feel like in Utah, it's probably like, you're just a little tipsy. They're like, get out of here, drunkie. You know what I mean? Can I have it, uh, ma'am? I can't have, I hate, this is crazy. Two Chardonnays. It's barely six PM.

What's the, what's the red wine called ma'am? You have to get out of here. Yeah. I mean. They're D and D in this restaurant in Park City. The owner tells them to leave. They tell the owner they're going to have the mafia kill him. Yes.

No, listen. Okay. It's what you have to do sometimes. It's what you have to do. And remember, they weren't even that drunk, they were just like, right? It just didn't like being inconvenienced, um, but that's not all cue the foreshadowing music. Okay.

Cause they also crash their car. They get into a fight in the car as they're driving the car. The fight becomes physical. They're throwing punches at each other. The Yoganis. Oh. The yoga experts throwing punches, throwing punches, pulling hair. Their car ends up sliding into a ditch.

Oh my God. I just, I want to, sisters are not meant to always be together when they're adults. Yes. You know? It's true. Sisters are not meant to be friends. Yeah. Friendly.

Not friends. True. Yeah. Love my sister. Not like, um, besties, let's move to every fucking city in the United States together type of shit. Yeah. It's like breakaway.

Life texting. Yeah. You know. Get some separate hobbies. Then you have stories to tell when you get back together. Hey, guess what I did that's new. Okay. You've never heard of this.

Now I don't want to punch you in the face. I'm going to have the mafia kill you. You know, I'm going to start saying that to people. Well, you can kick us out, but we're going to have the mafia kill you. So you better look alive out here in Park City, Utah, where the mafia is everywhere. Okay. So in December of 2015, they decide they need to go to Hawaii for a religious quest. I bet you guys get a lot of that out here.

Oh, sincerely apologize because. Wow. Holy shit. That's got to be rough. It's written in the Tao De Jing. If one is to devote themselves to a spiritual practice, one should go on a month long vacation to a tropical paradise where everything's beautiful and the air smells like flowers. That's how you challenge your soul and practice patience and learn to let go.

If you're fucking rich as shit, or have a ton of credit card debt and just don't give a shit anymore. And they're just like, taking that credit card, I'll have the mafia fucking kill you. Okay Anastasia. In my, what I fantasize about this story, I like to picture that everyone pronounces Anastasia the way she wishes they would instead of Anastasia. Two for Anastasia, it's Anastasia. So they get to Maui, they move in with their boyfriends, Alexandria with her boyfriend Lonnie

Dickerson and Anastasia with her BFF. They call bullshit on that name, Lonnie Dickerson. Lonnie Dickerson. That's a straight up. That's a lesbian, a lesbian, but Mick partly. Did you get this out of 50 shades of gray part three? What I did is I took 50 shades further and I cut all the words out and I mixed them into a word salad and glued them onto these pages.

Whips and chains, Christian Gray says, sit in this chair. I swear to God I saw that movie and I was just like, is all he gonna do, he just makes her sit in a chair. I didn't realize that was S and M. I'm disappointed. Three years, three years after seeing that movie and I still haven't figured out the words to discuss it because it's just insane. And then I think you just did it for me. I mean, yeah, the words are sit in this chair and then she's like, oh my God.

And then he made me. Then she goes to her job at the hardware store. I'm sorry. What's this? Oh, she's tomboyish and fun. I don't know. Do you need a hammer? Why do you work here?

Never fucking touched a tool in your life. Get out. Literally. She was a virgin, right? Oh, that's what the connection was. Was that the spoiler? Yeah. Touch the tool.

Oh, was that symbolism? I just figured it out. Gross. That's why I fucking hate literature. I got it. Okay. Okay. Anastasia's boyfriend's name was Federico Bailey.

Okay. Thanks. It's total. It's total word salad. This is all terrible writing on my part. Okay, so they get to Maui, they're like swear to God we're going to be normal. They're like looking at each other like promise me you'll just do yoga and I'll just do yoga and we won't do this anymore.

Twin pinkie swear. As they're pinkie swearing, one says to the other, yeah, there you go. I'm going to have the matthew kill you. That's our new pinkie swear. That's our new prayer before we go on stage. We prayed to Lilacoy in white and passion fruit. That's right. Now it's this.

Yeah. This is our new one. Oh, we don't have any more shows. Okay. Guys, focus. So it's six months later, May 29, 2016, and Anastasia and Federico have decided they want to go on a weekend camping trip together. So they packed up Federico's white Ford Explorer.

They're all ready to go camping when who do you think shows up? Our girl, Alexandria. She's like, I want to come camping too. Oh, yeah, that sounds great. Anastasia's like, I've had it with you, who is also me. So she really, Alexandria really does invite herself along. The sisters, they start arguing Federico. This is how I picture it.

I don't know, literally, this is what happened, but he comes out of the house with like one last sleeping bag on her shoulder and he sees the two sisters driving off in his SUV without him. Shut up. Yes. Wait, they left him behind? They left him behind. Holy shit.

The sleeping back part is what I made up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got it. He was like. And here's the last. Yep. Oh. So you guys are going to go live to stay here?

What about your sleeping bag? I got a brand new canteen. I mean, lucky him though, because camping sucks. God, what are you trying to prove? Oh, great. You can sleep outside. You must be stronger than others. Get out.

Get out. Get out. Get in. Get in towards. Get inside. It's so nice. Turn that TV on. It's so nice.

People work hard to make you TV. Stay in. Have we lost it? I don't know where we are. I think these were made of LSD. It's time to put these back on. Okay. There you go.

Okay. Here we go. Okay. Now we're serious. Now this makes sense. So they drive off without him. Okay, great. Okay.

So by the time they come back, they've stopped fighting. They've stopped fighting. They've stopped fighting. They've stopped fighting. So by the time they come back, they've stopped fighting. But when he walks up to the car and he's like, hey, guys, I thought you were. Then he's just the fumes of alcohol come rolling out of the car. They got in shit-faced blood.

Yes. They went off and bought themselves some liquor and drank it. And then he was mad because he was like, when they drank, it was like Jekyll and Hyde. They suddenly, that's when everything went off the hook. So he gets mad, he walks away, which I pictured, you know, he's like an Italian guy. So he's wearing like a weird belt with jeans. And he's like, what's that I smell? And then he like takes four feet away like, and then they just take off again in his car.

Oh my God. This poor guy. So they go peeling out down the Hana Highway. Now they're, and they're on the eastern side of Maui. Oh, great. Okay. This is only you about the Hana Highway because everyone else here knows exactly what it's like.

Oh, I know. Okay. I know too. Have you driven down it? I know too. So just tell me about it. It's super gorgeous. It's 65 miles long.

It takes two and a half hours to drive around the whole island. And then you drive through lush, gorgeous screenery and valleys, but then you also drive on these, you go over bridges that only one car can go on at a time, which is like, hey, it's 2019. Could you get a bigger bridge? Yeah. Double the size of the bridge. I mean, Oprah lives there and she's allowing this shit. There's also parts of the road where you, it's super cartoony where it looks like as

you come up around, like it's really high and up around a curve. And then there's just sky as you like come around the corner and then your car tips up on two wheels and goes, and then keeps itself on the road and keeps going. What is people's big issue with staying home? I mean, it's not overrated. There's so many arguments here for it. So basically, I told you all about it, the thing, you know, and then there's sheer drops on the side on certain parts, hundreds of feet down to the Pacific Ocean and the rocks

below. I don't want that. Okay. So there again, doing the thing they love to do, drive and fight. There's an eyewitness named Chad Smith, who saw the sisters arguing as they sped by him. And then he saw the passenger reach up, grab the driver's hair and yank it down as hard as she could. Don't do that to someone who's driving.

Not to. Isn't that, wouldn't that be amazing if that's how the mafia killed you? What, your major sister, Maddie, oh, holy shit. So at one point, Alexandria pulls the car over and she throws on her hazard lights. The argument continues. More people, there's all these eyewitnesses are people that are like, yeah, we saw those too. It looked like the same lady fighting with herself in that white SUV, it was pretty upsetting.

We were, we thought we were super high. So they pull over a little bit, throw the hazard lights on and continue arguing. And then Alexandria puts the car back into drive and hits the gas. She accelerates, ends up going up to 48 miles an hour, takes a hard left and goes right over a cliff. Holy shit. 200 feet down to the rocky embankment below. Oh my God, are you going to show us a picture?

Yeah. Look at this shit. We're scared. Check it out. What would you do? Would you believe? All I want to, whoa, fuck that. Holy shit.

I see it. No, I see where. Okay. Good, good. Oh my God. Okay. So Alexandria, the one that's driving is airlifted out. She only has minor injuries and Anastasia is killed in the passenger seat.

Oh my God. Yeah. Minor fucking injuries? Yes. And she had like, she had her arm in a sling. No. Wait, there's another view. Everyone knows.

Oh no. And there's another one, sorry, I don't know. Wow. I want to see. I wish I could see more of that. Hold on. I would really love to. You never believe.

And then how does it, what happens after it? That next picture is just another version. Shit. Isn't that crazy? I don't understand how you can just walk away in like a fake person that, you know, like people wear to court when they're trying to. She was airlifted out. So at first I think they thought they were both dead.

But Anastasia is pronounced dead at the scene. So upon inspection of the terrain at the crash site and the road around it, the investigators found no signs at all of Alexandria attempting to use the brakes in any way. No, no. She fucking. She drove off the cliff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

So in the days after she's released from the hospital, Anastasia's boyfriend, Bailey would later testify that Alexandria, so the boyfriend of the woman who was killed, of the sister who was killed, says that Alexandria began acting particularly strange. He says, and this is one person's, but it's one man saying it, but he testified to it in court. He swore under oath. He said that Alexandria began wearing her dead sister's clothes and began flirting with her.

And that's not the feeling she was trying to impersonate her sister. To add to the suspicion, Alexandria is trying to buy flights to the West Coast, seemingly to flee the area. So on June 3rd, 2016, the police find her and arrest her at a local hotel. And she's charged with secondary degree murder and held without bail. Let's see if we can. I don't think we can. Can we?

I feel like it's not gonna. I feel like. And then sometimes it does though. It's my butt. It's my butt. It's my butt. Right when we give up. No, I was wrong.

Is it your? Oh, look at Amy Schumer. So do you know that? And I'm saying this is like a copyright because I'm saying it and it's being recorded that now I'm going to write the film of this true crime and Amy Schumer is going to play both Lee. She is. Yeah.

Who's going to play that cop? Oh, that's my part. Right. Yeah. You mean Leslie McJames or whatever the fuck her name is? Okay. Um, okay. So then on June 8th, 2016, less than a week later, the judge declares that there's not

enough evidence for murder charge and the charges are dropped. That's my fault because it was my birthday. Sorry. Oh, what were you doing on your birthday in 2016? I don't fucking know. It was just a couple of years ago. I know. And yet my brain is like, nope.

Nope. All the doors are closed. Mystery science theater closed on that memory. I'm trying to reach. No. Okay. Um, but four months later in October, grand jury indicts Alexandria for second degree murder.

So on November 11th, 2016, she's arrested again in Albany, New York and she's extradited back to Hawaii. Her bail is set at $3 million, but interestingly, she's released in February of 2017 because she went ahead and somehow found $200,000 to pay for her own release. So I think them, I personally think the mafia helped her pay for it, but I don't know. How can we know? They're always there for, for certain people. So she requests a bench trial, which means that only a judge would decide her fate instead

of a jury of her peers. So the proceedings begin January of 2018. The prosecution argues that this was an attempted murder suicide on Alexandria's part and that Anastasia's death was intentional. And the proof is this airbag data, which shows that the car went from going 20 miles an hour to 48, the no brakes were applied. This is all from, apparently there's like a little chip in that insanely smashed car because of when the airbags go off and tell you how fast it's going and whether or not

the brakes were applied. And I think the, the fact that it turned left. So all of that was there and provable. Smart airbags. Right. Aren't they great? Have you ever had an airbag go off? It's crazy.

It's scary. It's, it's dusty. Like that's when I got in that car accident near your house that time. It was all of a sudden there was just a loud noise and I was like, who's smoking in here? And then I told the really beautiful fireman. I was like, something's wrong with my arm, but there's nothing wrong with my arm. It's my arm broken in any way. Touch it.

Just touch it. Touch it. Because in LA, like everyone in LA is an actor or performer in some way. So the firemen are like quadruple hot from normal cities. It's insane. I was like, are you on Chicago fire? Oh no, you just actually work here. Okay.

So a police officer on the scene who questioned Alexandria testified that she had alcohol on her breath when he questioned her. And the prosecution offered that Alexandria's Alexandria got a DUI in New York state in August of 2016 after the fatal accident. So she, so it was supporting the idea she had a drinking problem and that she didn't give a shit about drunk driving, but she got a DUI after killing her sister by driving off a cliff. But here's the defense, and this is an important thing because now we are truly talking about

if this was an accident, if this was drunk driving and a terrible mistake, and she just ended up living through it. This is a person who accidentally killed her own twin sister, which is fucking terrible. Her defense, so Alexandria's defense attorney, defends her innocence by arguing that because she was being violently attacked, she simply lost control of the vehicle. So obviously, and they did find a handful of Alexandria's hair in Anasazi's hand. Oh my God. So she was pulling on her hair hard enough that she pulled it out of her scalp.

Shit. Let's see. You're not going to show us that, are you? Yeah. I'm just going to show you a close-up of a scalp that's had several hairs ripped out. Look at the new hair. That's some, that's... Someone sent her a wig in jail, and I think that is so nice.

No, no. That's a Brazilian blowout. Is it? I'm going to tell you. Oh, really? Yeah. In jail. Those jail blowouts are the best.

So that basically this argument wins out, and Alexandria is ultimately found not guilty and acquitted on all charges on February 1st, 2018. This just happened last year. So after the trial, oh, there's this picture, which this is her acquitted. So after the trial, she goes on Dr. Phil and is interviewed by Dr. Phil. And he seems to be on her side during the whole conversation saying it seems like that the crash was a terrible accident, that an angry Anastasia pulling Alexandria's hair is what caused it, and he asks her if this is what truly happened.

She responds by saying, it's part of what I do remember. Oh. What? Okay. So when asked if she remembered anything else in the immediate wave of the crash, Alexandria said that she could not recall specific details, but that she does remember being airlifted out of the crash site. In the same interview, she took the time to deny the claim that she and her sister ran

out on the money they owed their employees at the yoga studio and the members of the yoga studio in Florida. So she took the time to clear her name in that way. And then when Dr. Phil was later asked, he said he believed her and thinks that she is innocent and that it was a mistake. So Alexandria Duvall, a.k.a. Alison Ditto, has consistently maintained her innocence claiming that she never meant to kill her sister and that the crash was just a terrible accident.

And that is the incredibly bizarre and incorrectly titled twin yoga murder. Wow. Did you ever see this one on Sesame Street where Dr. Phil meets Dr. Phil? No. And that's the doctor who can talk about his feelings. I just caught it on TV one day and I could not stop laughing. Pretty cute. Dr. Phil.

Dr. Phil. That's a banana story. It's not crazy. Now I'm wondering. I know. Damn it. I wanted to hate her. And now I'm like, oh no.

What if it. All right. Yeah. I turned it all around on everybody. You'd love it. Yeah. Do we have time for a hometown? Let's do it.

Oh, look who it is. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yo. Yeah. Hi. Some ladies in the lobby gave this to me. Gorgeous.

Holy shit. So, yeah, that's what happened. But it was handed to me. So apparently that it only works if you get it put on by somebody else. Anyway, pick for him wherever you want. I'll be on the side. Oh, okay. Cool, cool.

Thank you. Thank you. Vince Saverill, everybody. Vince Saverill. What's funny about her yelling, it was me, is that she sounded like Ruth B Bader Ginsburg. I know. Which are friends.

We're the ones that gave him that necklace. We did it ourselves. Truly. We've lived in Hawaii all our lives. Okay. Awesome. We support you. All right.

There's some rules. And listen, if you're too drunk to listen to these rules, don't fucking raise your hand. It's that simple. I think you know the rules. Make it local. No exceptions. You're not the exception to the rule.

Don't be the exception. Tell your story fast. Beginning, middle, end. Remember everyone hates you because you got picked. Yeah, I think that's about it, right? Yeah. And you're picking. Oh, well, yeah.

Do you want to try again or do you want to pick? Do it. You can do it. All right, all right, all right. You've learned your lesson. Can I get some lights? A little? Oh, I am scared.

Oh my God. Hi. Yeah, with the pink hair. It's humongous. Yes. Hi. Hi. Come over here.

I fucking hate this because I can see so well that I can see people's disappointment on their faces when I don't pick them, and it hurts me in my soul. Let's bring the lights out so Georgia doesn't hurt anymore. She doesn't get scared. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi.

Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi.

How are you? Come over here. Yeah, come set her up. Take this. I'm going to put this on. Oh, there we go. All right. Aloha.

I'm getting the middle of it. Tie your dress. Yes. All right. Come here. We take that. Okay, Marcie, where are you from? Originally or no.

Whatever you want. I'm from Wainui. Where? Will you give us just a general idea of where that is? To drive west and you can't drive anymore? That's a no. Okay, so it's kind of fucked up because it's family in 2004 my uncle and my cousins decided to shoot people at the poly golf course but that's not the best

part of the murder. So there's three people right my cousin my two right uncle my two cousins decided to shoot three people right only two died one survived headshot oh my god well so sorry what what's the fucking story part like the story part of it is okay is that my uncle drives to my house that night and he decides to be all like hey I need hair dye oh always a bad sign what he's like I need hair dye my mom's like just give him your hair dye I'm like no yeah I want black hair don't do this anyway I gave him his hair dye and low and behold you had a gun in his scooter and so my two cousins got caught and he

ended up going on the run for a few days with the hair dye my hair that was what that was for yeah he colored his hair but the fucked up part is that when he went to the then users is like we're looking for Kevin Gonzalez and picture turned out and it was the hair color that he picked for me so sorry was it was just random they just did a fucked up thing and then ran no he shot someone I know but I mean like revenge was there apparently it was over a gambling house I know y'all know what that is here okay so it's like that business and then they get so they got caught oh like after like three weeks thanks Dylan for

pushing me to do this by the way my boyfriend was just like we're going to this have you ever listened to this podcast before I did okay I showed him okay awesome they're coming to Hawaii we're going into this this is your Valentine's gift yeah I was like oh yeah yeah Valentine's Day today's my Valentine's Day yeah well happy Valentine's Day you too thank you oh my god we've started a podcast because we like to talk to each other and now we're in fucking Hawaii and also you should know that last week when we were in the middle of the polar vortex literally on the east coast wearing a

coat's head to toe buying hats and CVS and putting on gloves we just kept looking at each other going we'll be in Honolulu so soon we'll be in Honolulu so soon and now we're fucking here with you guys we're so thrilled it truly I mean like yeah this is fucking paradise and I can't believe how lucky we are that we got to come here for our jobs which happens to be something we also love to do yeah so thank you guys for supporting us and being the reason we get to do this shit yeah awesome thank you and thank you also for being such an amazing community that supports each other that's one of the most beautiful things I

think that we get to experience why we love to do these live shows is we love to see this community in action I mean it's under the banner of this podcast that we do but you guys are making this thing happen and it is the coolest thing to watch develop people meeting each other people who tell us that they come to these shows alone that they have terrible anxiety they never do anything but they came here tonight I mean there are stories like that that we hear every single time and we love it so much it means the world to us so thank you thank you so much for that part as well and thank you for the desserts and thank you

for your delicious desserts stay sexy bye you guys