My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 164 - Live at the Sony Centre in Toronto

Episode Date: March 14, 2019

Karen and Georgia cover the murder of Julie Stanton and the Massey Maid Murder. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

We at Wondery live, breathe and downright obsess over true crime and now we're launching the ultimate true crime fan experience, Exhibit C. Join now by following Wondery, Exhibit C on Facebook and listen to true crime on Wondery and Amazon Music, Exhibit C. It's truly criminal. What's up, Serrana? Yes, holy shit. I forgot to finish my mint. Swallow it, spit it. Should I look and see what's in this bag? It says no thanks on the front of it, I like it already. Did someone forget, did someone lose their purse? Oh, I think there's birth control in here, who says that? Let's take it all and see what happens. What's that? Okay. It's something political about women. Oh, fuck your bad vibes. Yeah, sounds good. And then

also fuck women. Right? Someone left us a gift in the back of this really beautiful little thing that has sand and shells in it and it says emotional support dirt. So thank you. It's really cute. It's not just Hawaii where you get your emotional support soil, it's everywhere. Right. Soil, damn it. All across this great land. It's hard to remember the words. Go back. Great, great, great. We're filming this. Hi. Can I just explain these shoes? Listen. Listen to me. Stop it. Look right there. Shut up. And listen. You don't know me. You don't know anything about me. Last night we were in Detroit, Michigan America and heard of it. I mean, yeah. You're right. That was exactly the right sound to

make about it. No, it was wonderful. We had a great show. We got driven to the Pegasus Greek restaurant afterwards, which is one of Vince's favorite restaurants. Flaming cheese. They have a light cheese on fire. It's a show. It's like a show. It's like dinner in a show. It's so good. And on the way, the guy that was driving us who worked at the theater got a call saying one of them left their shoes. And it's this pair of clogs that I've been wearing since the very first show that we ever did to piss my sister off. Which even before the show, you put them on and said, I got to get rid of these. Yes. Just last night I said it because I was like, at this point, my sister doesn't care anymore. I'm the only one laughing

at this joke. It kind of doesn't matter. But it's just like my little fuck you to my sister silently all around the nation. You got to have one. But I didn't want to make that guy drive back to the theater and then drive to the Pegasus like, here's your dirty clogs, ma'am. I don't want to be that person. We're not at that level yet. Not yet. We'll fucking get there. We'll get there, RiRi. We're going to get there, Rihanna. That's right. So then I was like, please don't come back with those shoes. I was like, I don't care. I have these no shoes. Kiss them into the wind. Goodbye clogs. Now we're moving into a weird ug phase that I don't belong in in any way. Who do you think got those clogs? That's pulling

there tonight, she suppose. Oh, I hope it's the Long Island medium, wearing my clogs. And she's like, oh, I can smell the ghost of whoever. The ghost of your old tights and your lazy fashion sense. Teresa, caputo. So what about this one? Oh, these are, I ordered these special because of course, in California, we were warned months ago, you're going to places that have weather. So you must prepare. And so I ordered special snow, like cold weather boots that also have insoles for Planner Fasciitis. So these are about as Aunt Judy as a pair of shoes could be. Aunt Judy's Planner Planner Fasciitis is helping up again. We all suffer. We play cards together, you know. So that's what I did. How about your outfit? Oh, this

is a vintage dress that I have that I've never, I've worn once. It's good. Look at that. Look at that. I have, and I'm also paired it with my peeling sunburn. Yes. That are so fucking terrible and gross. Yeah, I've spent, I would say 83% of my life with a peeling sunburn. I think that's healthy, right? That's good for you. Yeah, until the melanoma sets in, my full body melanoma that's right around the corner. That's why I've got to live for today. With my snow boots. I'm speaking of, this is my favorite murder, the podcast. This is Karen Gilgaran. This is Georgia Hart-Sark. Thank you. I am a little fucked up on cold meds and coffee, so it's gonna be real fun. That's the college girl's speedball, I think

they call that. And I, I unfortunately, this is how, this is like where we're at now is you had to, you turned in how to see me pulling my Spanx out back. You just shouldn't show anyone that ever. It's a very unattractive. Yet comforting. See, I go behind a closed door. Like I'm always like, see you in 12 minutes and take all my Spanx. And then the pulling and the grunting and the faces begin. I'm always like slightly sweating and then I come out like, what? Nothing. I was just thinking. I usually do too. But this time I'm on cold meds. I was like, I'm going to do it right here then. And just I'm like doing mascara in the corner of my eye. I see this. We're just like literally jumping

up off the ground to get those Spanx on. That's right. Pretty exciting. And they are working hard. Good. They're doing it. I actually had last night, I bought this is, this is great fucking material by the way. Two hours of Spanx material. Yeah. Last night I was wearing mistake Spanx because I bought a new pair. I was like, I need a body armor replacement. I need to get new Kevlar for this tour. So I went to buy it and I kind of wasn't paying attention. And I only got the half, the one that goes to here, which introduced me to the person that doesn't roll down on. I don't get it. Yeah. It's it just immediately rolls down. So I had kind of like a, it almost looked like a three piece sausage. Like a three length

sausage chain under this fucking dress. I like to go more smooth harbor seal, but it was like boom, boom, boom. I had bat cleavage. It was fucked. Thank you. It's a new tomorrow. So I actually got these. Sorry, but let me just wrap this amazing story up. Please don't. Please never stop talking about it. I bought this body suit thing at the Detroit airport. And I think she charged me $300. I'm not paying. I wasn't paying attention, but I was like, how much for the, it's fine. Just give it to me. I need it. I have to have it. Were you about to try to introduce Stephen? Oh, oh, oh, wait, he's here. He is right there. I swear to God. It's new hair, Stephen. Feels good. It feels good. Wait for the weather.

Tell us what restaurant you went to yesterday. Margaritaville. That's right. He's a foodie. He loves food. He's a total foodie. I mean, where better to go to Margaritaville than in Niagara Falls? 30 degrees. Perfect. It's like a little vacation. We have a photo of you in Niagara Falls. We should have actually photoshopped out Brenna. Just like how they do with the boy bands where it's like, who's that girl? No one knows. You can keep liking him. You keep liking him as much as you want to. Millions of hearts break all over the world. Just me and a waterfall. And a blurry thing right here. Get over here right now. And did you go over in a barrel of the water? In my mind, I wanted to and it would have

been so beautiful. Yeah, we would have loved it. And so you had to get drunk. Oh, of course, just survive a barrel, you know, it would have been. Sure, you never know. Do you want to talk about your hair? Just, just, you know, perfect for cold weather, perfect time to cut my hair. It was when it's 30 degrees. So yeah, we like it. You sent it to us, sent a photo to us and said that what was it that hippest? The hippest barista in all of Silver Lake. Love it. Dapper as fuck. Ray Morris, ladies and gentlemen. That's him. That's how much we love you, Toronto. We fuck everyone else over when we're like Stevens here. He's not here. He's here for you. My dad, my dad is staying at my house with the cats and I

got a cat cam. So yeah, Marty's not here. That's right. Listen, text Vince. Do you have a pot grinder? That's my father. He needs to relax and he's got that glaucoma. He does not have glaucoma. Well, he could, he might someday. He's, he's, hopefully, it's preventative weed. It's preventative. Preventative. Um, what else did we want? Oh, wait, we had a, we had a pot related story. Was it that you got, we, that Vince got a joint last night? Yes. Okay. This is the best. So after the show, Vince's friend is like the, the, the, and the hands of enjoy it and legal in Detroit. It's legal. Stop calling it. Stop calling it Mounties. So is it? Yeah. Right. If I can light them up, everybody.

Pass to the front share with your friends and I'll have a panic attack. So we go down, say hi to some people, go, we got brought up. Then we get brought down to do the meet and greet. And as Vince is coming down the stairs, he realizes he lost the joint. He's like, I fucking lost the joint. Help me look as we go down the stairs. We go down the stairs. It's not on the stairs. And he's like, we got to find that joint. And I, in my mind, I was like, I'm going to find this thing. And I was like bragging about how great my eyesight is. And I'm the fine. I find the contacts when people lose them and I can't see for shit. Like if you see me, if we are 10 feet away and you go like this, I will

not see you. Like you have to be kind of right here. It's happened many times in airports. Like it happens a lot. And people are like, she's such a bitch. And it's like, no, you're just a blur. And I, and I could wear glasses. I choose not to because I don't want to get involved. Anyway, it's good for my anxiety. Anyway, if you have really bad social anxiety, just take your fucking glasses off. It is a miracle. It's a miracle. You suddenly you're just like, everything's beautiful and blurry. And I'm fine. It's our anxiety bangs. Are they?

Yeah, bangs, man. Hide behind them. Yes. It makes you chill out a little bit. So anyway, I turned on my sixth sense, my weed eye, and we walked down into the room that we had been in and I just walked over and I was like, here it is, Vince. I'm fucking in a corner under a door thing. Because if you have the will, if you have the passion, you can do anything you want, ladies and gentlemen. And that's why we're here tonight.

Motivational speaker. I pulled down my Janet Jackson head mic. So here's your five tiered, five pronged. All right. Should we sit down? It's a down time, I think. Thank you. I think these are Anderson Cooper chairs. Yeah, the Anderson Cooper, Andy Cohen chairs. Did we tell you guys about that? How they send chairs? They like do a show. I'm sure it's just like this one. And they Anderson Cooper and Andy Cohen send chairs to every venue and they leave them there because they're like, well, these are the chairs we want

to get drunk in. And so we get to use them. They look fucking class. They ship chairs. Yeah. We're not there yet either. Oh, that's right. You will be. Yeah. My back just cracked like in six places. That's not good. That's not good, Grandma.

Why don't you tell these strangers who've never heard of this podcast before? No, no, no, no, no. What a podcast is about this podcast, guys. You know that you've heard this time and again, but we have to say it for the strangers, for the new people, for the forced, the forced audience members who some of you weirdos bring outsiders. Why? You're like, hmm, who's the most judgmental person in my life? I'm going to have, I'm going to invite them to the murder comedy show. My boss? Great. I'm going to bring her. My mom that doesn't like modern things. Perfect. We'll make her do it. So some people get worried

or maybe offended at the idea of a true crime comedy podcast, because they think that something like true crime murder, the worst thing that can happen to anyone in the world belongs nowhere near comedy. And so just so you know, like, if you don't listen to the podcast, you don't know us and you can't give us the benefit of the doubt. You don't know that those two things run parallel. We do our best to not intertwine them in any way because we don't think murder is funny and we don't think loss is funny, but life is shit and you have to laugh at things. It's very important. So if you're one of those kind of people, you're one of those kind of people that's super offended by just the concept of this,

you can get the fuck out right now. It's important. From my heart to yours. But they're Canadian and they're nicer. Why would you yell at us this way? Even my volume is upsetting, I'm sure right now. Can you tell I cut my bangs while I was on cold medicine with sewing scissors? She just, it was like, Vince came in and he goes, four minutes, and then Georgia picks up a pair of scissors. I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Be careful. And I was like, keep an eye on me or would you? Please keep an eye on me. Looking for a better cooking routine? With meal planning, shopping and prepping handled, HelloFresh has you covered. HelloFresh makes home cooking easy and affordable so you can stay on track

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heroes emerges. Follow against the odds wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen ad free on the Amazon music or Wondery app. Um, I'm first. You are first tonight. Okay. All right. Thank you. It's hard to go first. It is hard to go first because you just don't know. Start with local jokes. Okay. I don't know. What a shit hole am I right? Oh, they're like, that's our church. Get out. We hate you. All right. Well, so I'm going to do project hitchhiker, which is the first conviction

in Canadian history without a body or a crime scene. Okay. It is fucking, but yeah, it's bananas. There's fucking twist. There's turns. Things of this nature. It's fucking bananas prepare. I'm going to sit forward. I wish you would and pull out my dress the whole time. Take a listen to this. Okay. It's 1991. Take a listen to this. I don't know. What choice do I have? Have the shit I'm saying tonight. Let's blame it on coldness. Okay. It's 1991. The best. Everyone knows the best time of the last century. Oh my God. Beautiful. Dis. Oh, great.

I have herb. Herb. I fucking knew I'd do that. I was like, don't do that. Don't do that. So I did it. Sorry. It's because my mom yelled at me when I was a kid because I would call herbs, herbs, and I'm traumatized. Okay. So you have the panic like half second before where you're like, I'm saying it wrong. Yeah. So say it right. And then you correct, over correct. Herb. Herb. Herb. He joins the homicide unit. This is detective. He had served as an undercover officer with the RCMP. He was fucking doing drugs and like gangs and shit going undercover. Oh, not doing drugs. No. I was not trying to indict him. No, no, no, no. Okay. So I got a lot of this information from a show called the detectives. It's a

great fucking show. Yeah, you guys. There's like a detective who's like all hard boiled and shit and they tell their like most insane story that they can't stop thinking about. So this is his story. I'm watching it. I couldn't get a picture of him as a young in 91, but I'll show you who he was played by Eric Johnson, this actor. Oh. Very handsome. What? He's Canadian, of course. He was in Smallville, all these things, but most notably, he was in two of the three Fifty Shades movies, as we all know. Did he work at the hardware store where she worked? The dumbest fucking plot point of all time in any film, including the room. The idea, the idea that Dakota fucking Johnson worked at a hardware store. She wasn't even

the cashier. She was like roaming around like, do you need help with hammers from you? Fuck off. People talk about how bad that movie is in all these other ways. I'm like, start with the hardware store. Always start with the hardware store. I mean, look at this hard boiled. He look at his hair. He's been up all night working on this case. Doesn't he look like John Hamm's cousin? Yes. His Canadian cousin. His Canadian cousin, whose mom has red hair. So there's like a little something else going on. Canada, this is your John Hamm. Congratulations. Congratulations. All right. Go to that bridge and find him. Well, so in March of the 91 when he goes to homicide, along with his normal workload, all of the

detectives have to also take on a cold case, which I think is fucking awesome. So he is given a case that's only a year old, but is already cold because there's no body or crime scene, which is so crazy. On April 16, 1990, this is the case he gets at about 2 p.m. in Pickering, Ontario. It's either 40 miles or 40 kilometers east of Toronto. I was not paying attention. It's 40 things away. You know, I mean, no one's going to like listen and be like, well, I'm going to Pickering and Georgia said it was this long, so I'm just going to base my time. I don't need to get gas. I don't need to get gas. I don't need to leave at that time because Georgia, I already know. Hopefully no one does that.

Please don't ever do that. You've got to hope. But anything we say? No, nothing. So, okay. 14-year-old Julie Stanton, she goes missing. This is her. Sweet baby angel. Amazing things. I love her. Okay. She's a sweet teenager. She's 14. She's last seen wearing a dark bomber style jacket, blue jeans. And a neighbor said that they saw her get into a late 70s model, Monte Carlo car, driven by a white male with shaggy hair and a scruffy look. So they look into Julie's life and lo and behold, Julie's BFF, Julie's best friend, Kim. Forever. Yeah. I know the type. Yes. The kind that will put their Spanx on in front of you. That's right. It's on. Just so happens that her best friend, the dad, not only fits that fucking, he also

drives a 79 Monte Carlo. So they're like, oh, shit. This fucking asshole. His name is Peter Stark. He's 47. And he has a record of violence against women. In 1981, Peter was dating a 31-year- old woman named Maria Woods when she disappeared. He was considered a suspect, but her body wasn't found until five years later, buried in the woods. And by then, the decomposition is so bad they can't tell a cause or death or pin anything on him. And there's not enough evidence to hold him in Julie's case. And that's when it runs cold. And then our friend, Herb, gets the case. Herb. Herb. Oh, God. Okay. So he's like, let's fucking do this. He starts digging into this asshole Peter Stark's life. He reinterviews Stark's wife, Allison, at this

point they're separated. And so she's willing to talk a little bit more. And Peter has moved to Niagara Falls for Stephen likes to vacation. Stephen's favorite place. Yeah. Oh God, that didn't work. Okay. So she says that after Julie disappeared, Peter's behavior had started to change. He started wetting the bed and getting paranoid. An adult man in his 30s. Jesus Christ. Fucking. That's what color is your favorite flag. Red. The red is that that thing is like a scarlet flag. Yeah. My lips and maybe my teeth. I mean, it's horrible. And then also I just flashed back to hold that I've wet the bed as an adult. I'll tell you the one, the one through line, the theme. I know what it is. Jagermeister. Have you

ever had that experience? I did not know that. It will put you out. You and your bladder will be out for the evening. Do you have those dreams where you're trying to pee everywhere? I have those rooms all the time where it's like, why can't I pee? I'm in the toilet. I'm in the bathroom. You wake up in your bed. Shit. I actually the first. Sorry. Sorry. Please. The first time I drank Jagermeister, it was me and my sister and Adrian and Adrian's brother Dominic and Adrian's future husband Robin. And so it was all these cool, way older guys. And we partied. We drove to like a forest of redwood trees and then just partied in the trees. So country. But these like, these guys were like, Karen, come with us.

And they just, it was like, I got picked to be cool because they could tell I was an alcoholic when I was 16. Come on, you. And then it was like someone cracked open this bottle of Jaguar and they're like, have you ever heard of Jagermeister? And then we just stood in a circle drinking Jagermeister in a circle. All I remember after that is that I lit a cigarette in my sister's Mustang on the way home and she was so angry. She's like, what do you do? He put them out. And I was like, I got to be myself. You can't keep me from being me. I'm 16. I badly need a cigarette. I have to have this marble. I found at the bottom of mom's purse. I wake up in the morning in my clothes, in my bed. I had wet the bed.

So I like pulled back this covers. I took all my clothes up when I'm in a pile. I walk into the bathroom. And when I come back out, my mom is standing in my bedroom doorway and she goes, you wet the bed. And then just walked away. I figured out, I figured out why Mimi is your favorite. She pees the bed all the time. I relate. She's such a drunk. And she loves Jaeger. That cat is an alcoholic. Okay. So, oh, here's a photo of him. Like, he's, you know, it's like creepy. Professor Ewan McGregor. Yes. No, they probably want a Canadian actor to play him. Okay. No, don't yell Canadian actors. I don't make me really angry. Oh, I'm thinking it was now. It's like name a Degrassi character. Name a Degrassi. I know.

I was like, corner gas. Was it called corner gas? You got some good TV up here. I fucking want to end some really bad TV. Like some of the worst I've ever seen. Where it looks like it's like two cops talking to each other, but they're holding a coffee like right down here. It's like, when's this over? Okay. Get back to our day job now. Okay. So, Allison, the wife says he starts working the bed. He gets all fucking creepy. And then she's like, you know, I should tell you the story. So, he's super into this role playing game. Let me tell you about it. Peter, this fucking dick, he has her pretend to hitchhike while she's wearing a blonde wig dressed up as a teenager. That's his fucking fetish. That's

not a game. Nope. Or a fetish actually. He drops her off on a lonely road, picks her up. You know, they're role playing. He uses a fake name after a drive around a bit. He pulls over and asks if she thinks he's dangerous. Then they fucking hook up. But it's also, he likes, he needs to get a little violent with her. And she's like, he never intentionally hurts me though. It's just like we have this role play thing. But see, she has no idea about his fucking history. For example, you see, in 1970, he had picked up Nancy Nelson. She was an 18-year-old blonde hitchhiker. He tells her his name is Michael and asks if she's scared of hitchhiking and if she thinks he's dangerous. Before she can respond, he

stabs her multiple times. She fucking survives. This amazing woman. She survives. She almost dies three times during surgery, but she fucking makes it. Of course, she's so traumatized by this, and I'm sure the aftermath too, because it was the 70s. They were not very victims of advocacy for people. She was too traumatized to testify against him for attempted murder. I feel like this wouldn't happen now. Instead, they put him up on lesser charges of assault. He gets six fucking months. Months? Because, yeah. It's horrible. And then admits to the detective, to Herb, that, Jesus, I really didn't do that. Herb, Herb, Herb.

No, you have to act like you did it on purpose. Detective Herb. He deserves so much respect. I know. I'm just being, okay, I'm trying to be... Sorry. No. All I can think of is just a strip of rosemary. Solving awesome cases. Ooh, write that. Stephen, write that down.

Stephen, please make a note. So, Alison, the wife also admits that on the day Julie had gone missing, fucking Peter Stark had been bugging her to skip work and play the hitchhiking game. And she was like, fuck you. She'd been putting him off all weekend and she goes to work the same day Alison disappears. He picks her up later from work. He's late. He's dirty and disheveled. He says his car broke down. He says she tells the detective that he said the catalytic converter stopped working and she's like, great. And then Detective Herb is like, hey, guess what? Monte Carlo's don't fucking have one of those.

Catalytic converters? Yes. Awesome. Yeah. That's that rad, like, detective-ing. Yeah. Where someone's like, what did you just say? Yeah.

Like, that's that moment where as you're watching it as a TV show, you're like, what? What does he know? Yeah. What does he know? And then it cuts to break, but then he has his coffee here. Yeah. Okay. But of course, this isn't enough to, you know, charge him so Detective Herb starts to rework the case.

So then in June 1991, okay, cut to fucking Niagara Falls, or Steven is, and this fisherman and his son are fishing, they find by the water side, a piece of cement, they think it's rock. Listen, this doesn't make any, they just start jumping on it. I don't know. They definitely went to Margaritaville before they found that rock. That's what Niagara Falls is like. It's fucking nuts. Who knows? Maybe they have a flask. I don't know. But it breaks apart and reveals dismembered body parts. A father and son?

That's horrifying. And the victim is a young girl. She seems to be 13 to 15 years old and blonde. So of course Detective Corwayne thinks it's Julie Stanton who had gone missing. So he's like, he sends all of his information that he has on these cases that he thinks Stark has done to Niagara Falls homicide detectives and to downtown Toronto, North York and Pickering because he thinks they're all connected. And back when he worked in drugs and gangs, they did this insane thing where they shared information with other districts and solved crimes together.

Yeah. It's the wave of the future. It's the wave of the future. So luckily, I mean, it's incredible that he came from there. I was like, why the fuck don't we do that? Let's do it. So he started doing that with other jurisdictions. And so, because he's like, well, all Peter Stark has to do is keep moving and no one will put together that he's a fucking, maybe serial killer. So, okay. So he gets all the, so he, okay. So now he goes to interview Stark's daughter, aka best friend forever, Kim. She's, doesn't have the same mother, but so she was super shy girl and like didn't have a lot of friends

with then Julie just like, Julie was really open and just came up to her and befriended her and they became best friends. So Kim doesn't believe her father would do anything to Julie. And he says that Julie and he were friends too. She just like can't imagine that her dad would do anything, but detective her but tells her that her father is a killer. I think I don't know what exactly he tells her, but it gives her like, how about everything you just fucking told us, but it's like she's like a 14, 15 year old girl. Can you fucking imagine? So she finally breaks down and says that her dad had admitted to her that he picked Julie up the date. She went missing, but he's like, but he said he didn't do anything to her. He

dropped her off later. So she just didn't say anything. Yeah. So she didn't know. I mean, so, meanwhile, this case from Niagara Falls cement time, the dental records come back. It's not Julie. It's a 14 year old girl named Leslie Mahaffey. Yeah. Wait, just wait. You know the name yet? No. Okay. Great. So she had disappeared in June of 1991. She was a resident of Burlington and a grade nine student. Love your coat factory. Amazing. The prices are great. Not just coats. They're more. There's kind of weird raincoats and there's really bad shoes. Incredible. So it's not her, but they're like, well, maybe the girl it is, Leslie, maybe he killed her. So he, he's considered a suspect, but then a hair sample

from that they think was the killer from the cement comes back and it doesn't match Sark. But the case does help that the, okay, it does help detective or put this task course together and the government decides to fully fund this task course that uses all jurisdictions to go after Peter Stark, which is fucking awesome. There are nine different agencies. They join together. They pool their unsolved cases where Peter Stark is a suspect and they fucking go after him together. It's pretty rad. The first thing they do is re-evacuate the site where Maria Woods, Peter's ex-girlfriend, had her, when her body had been, where her body had been discovered a decade earlier. And they find, they find, when they re-examine

it, they find a bullet in casings, which hadn't been fucking found back then. So now they have a cause of death and solid evidence because ballistics show that the casings come from a rare World War II bullet that can only be fired from a Colt 45 automatic pistol. And it's the same pistol and kind of pistol that Stark's father had owned and gave to him around the time Maria went missing. Fucking smoking gun. But literally. Except he had gotten rid of it, of course, so they can't tie him to it concretely. And so Julie's fucking badass parents were pissed and they knew that this guy had something to do with it. So they had been fucking confronting him constantly and one time they walked up to his car, banged

on his window and screaming, where is Julie? So Detective Herb asked them to back off a little bit. They're going to try to get him. They're like, great, we'll do that, but you better get him. So they start surveilling him. But Peter Stark is really paranoid. He's totally aware at all times whether someone's falling or not. Not paranoid because he's being fucking followed. He's right. So he drives hundreds and hundreds of kilometers out of the way and like around places and things just to see if he's being followed. One day the team is following him and he pulls over next to a railway track and he starts walking towards the tracks and the team thinks he's either trying to draw them out to see

if they're following him or and then he stands in the middle of the tracks and like, what if he's trying to fucking kill himself? We need to nab him before that happens. So they come up with a story in order to approach him. They call a patrolman. The patrolman comes and in the back pocket they have outstanding fraud charges against him that they can use to bring him in. So they bring him in for questioning and the surveillance team, while they're questioning him, they go in and fucking tap his car. They put it on up in there. Right in the catalytic converter. In the Plinko. So they listen to him for a month and waiting for him to trip up. One day they overhear a woman's voice on the wire and they realize

it's his estranged wife, Alison. She had fucking come all the way to Niagara Falls to get back together with him after all this. And they're like, God damn it. So let's see. And they're worried too because if she goes back together with him and they try to bring him to trial, they can't make her testify against her husband, right? It's a law for some reason. It's the law. The law. But then they hear Alison asking Peter about the day of Julie's disappearance. She tells him she has doubts about him and accuses him of being involved. He gets hostile and denies everything. And so they're like, look, if fucking Alison can't get a confession out of him in the car, like, we need to try ourselves. So he's been questioned

before but Detective Herb doesn't want to blow their chance. So he fucking gets the FBI involved and he's like, what's the best way to do this? And they're like, here's the thing. So they get an officer to arrest him that looks like Julie who had gone missing, blonde, you know, young officer. They parade him past the fucking his 1979 Monte Carlo that he had sold. They fucking tracked it down, bought it back. So like, while they're bringing him through the fucking parking lot with the blonde fucking patrol officer, they walk past it. He's like, oh shit. Inside the station, he passes by a cop listening to the tapes of his conversation with Alison. So they're like, we gotcha. Another room is full of photos all designed to make

him look like they make it look like they had enough evidence against him. There's like a haunted house for a serial killer. And then there was a bowl of grapes. They made him put his hand into it. They can't touch you. If they jump out, they can't touch you. Yeah, they can't touch you. Not at Universal Studios anyway. Legally. And then so they do have a ton of evidence, but they don't have a smoking gun for the conviction. So they try to get a confession from him. And he only confesses at one point that he picked her up that day, but he says he dropped her off after and had nothing to do with it. And we all said bullshit. So they put him in jail and a jailhouse informant comes forward saying that Peter Stark had told

him that he raped a girl and killed her with an axe. And he's willing to testify against Peter Stark. He does. And the other person who testifies against him is his daughter, Kim. Yeah, this fucking amazing chick. She tells the court that her father had been missing an axe that was on his boat since before Julie disappeared. The axe is gone. So on December 4th, 1994, Peter Stark is found guilty of first degree murder for the death of Julie Stanton. It's not the first trial that has a case without a body or a crime scene, but it's the first conviction in Canadian history of that. Wow. Amazing. Good job, everybody. You guys, you did it. Did it. Two years later in 1996, Julie's body is found when a farmer in the manverse township finds her skeletal remains

on his property about 80 kilometers from where she went missing. Julie's case is the first time that a multi-jurisdictional task force is created to investigate a serial killer. Good job. Ever? I think so. Yeah, ever. Jesus Christ. Oh, Russell Crowe. Why did you do that? Oh, that's a good one. Jesus. I know. So the project, which was called Project Hitchhiker, leads to the formation of another task force called Project Green Ribbon, which investigates the death of our fucking girl from Niagara Falls, Leslie Mahaffey. This leads to the arrest of Ken and Barbie killers. Well, the Scarborough rapist and Paul Bernardo in fucking 1993. Yes. Shit. I wonder you made that noise. God damn it. It all comes together. I've literally done the Ken and Barbie killers, the schoolgirl

killers, twice. And I still didn't recognize that name. And what's so sad? Damn it. She's the one who was late at past her curfew and her mom locked her up. It kills me inside. It's terrible. It's the worst. So Peter Stark would have been eligible to seek full parole in February of 2017, but luckily, he died in August 2016 at the age of 71. Wow. Julie's family, who, you know, were fucking like on this dude, they said at the news of Stark's deaths that it's bittersweet. And Julie's gravestone reads that you'll read. You'll never walk alone again. And they say that they're at peace knowing that Peter Stark will never hurt anyone ever again. And that's fucking project hitchhiker. That's a good detective, the detective that's like, just tell me, FBI, how to do it. Just share your information.

Just read my information. Like, guys, let's do that. How does everyone up do it? They have one of these. They have this. It's like an alley rally at Margaritaville. Tonight, I'd like to start my presentation with a quick, which way did you go with it? No, I'm like just excited. Oh, the big arrow. Okay. Oh, this is my report on the province of Ontario. The Canadian province of Ontario is one of Canada's 13 provinces and territories. It is, it is the second largest it is the second largest province in land area and the largest in total population. Ontario is home to the nation's capital city, Ottawa and the nation's and the nation's most populous city, Toronto, which is also Ontario's provincial capital. The name Ontario is derived from the Iroquoian word

meaning beautiful water. Ontario was settled by the Algonquin tribes in the north and west and the Iroquoian and Wayendo here on in the south and east. The official language of Ontario is English. Ontario, the Canadian province not to be confused with the California city of Ontario, which was named after the Canadian province, Ontario, which is definitely where I am right now. The official flower of Ontario is white trillium. The official bird is the common loon. Aren't we all so common. And the official website is www.ontario.ca. All right. Please accept my apology Canadian province of Ontario. I'm so sorry. Great job. I'll never make that mistake for like four more episodes.

Okay. Tonight I'm going to do the Massey made murder. Wait, don't look at him. Someone in here just lost their soul. Don't look into the eyes. One, two, three, not it. Let's see. I got a lot of my information from the CBC news, which apparently is a big deal up here. There's missing and murdered. Is that right? Yeah, the podcast. Oh, yeah. They're making some good podcasts for sure. Those CBC people. Congratulations on your podcasts, province of Canada. There's also a book called the Massey Murder by a writer named Charlotte Gray. And this story was suggested to me by my friend Auntie Donahue, who was also a great writer. And she's here tonight. Yet her book of essays, nobody

cares. It will help you. It will help you. I'm telling you, it will help you. I've read it. Okay. I take you now to 1915 Toronto. Okay, we're going there in our minds. That's right. Everything is brown and beige. I don't know why. So Toronto in 1915 is very conservative. It's very class oriented. Men are being shipped off to fight in World War One. Young women are actually being shipped into Canada from England to become maids for the upper class. And there's a lot of wealth in the city, and there's a lot of need for maid services. And one of the biggest and richest families in Toronto was the Massey. Let's see. Look. This is old Dan Massey. Now, he loved to clear cut land and then sell it to people.

Right. That was his passion. He liked to cut down trees and just kind of throw them away and then sell land to people. And so in doing so, he began to discover that bigger machines were needed to work the land. And because, you know, especially this part of Canada, there's so much farming, he started like a farm equipment company. Well, he actually didn't start it. He got together with like a blacksmith. It was so fucking long ago. It was like the 1700s. They started making things that would make their jobs easier. And then Daniel's son, Heart Massey is the one that took everything his dad did and was like, we're taking this to the next level. And so eventually it was like, oh, the fucking Massey's were all over the place. That is our new fucking

logo. Isn't that so rad? Shouldn't we just go with a tractor? Yeah, for no reason. No. I love it. Me too. It's the Maxi Massey. It goes all the way to the floor. Heart Massey develops his father's small business into a huge success. He has a son named Charles Albert Massey. And that's who manages the business. His father started. To this day, there are still a number of buildings and institutions named after the Massey's, including Massey College at the University of Toronto. No one gives a shit about the University of Toronto. I love it. Every city we go to, you name any college and people are like, I studied there. They just want to talk about college so much. We don't. Do you want to give us a mascot?

Screaming carpetbaggers. Yes. Yes. Run around screaming. Up and down the basketball court. Screaming at the top of their lungs. Oh, also at the concert venue, Massey Hall. Do you guys see your first show there? Your first punk show? Is it punk? I don't know. It's really small and the bathroom is sick. Okay. There's also a haunted steakhouse. Cool. Talk about that later. Okay. So Charles' son, he has a son named Burt Massey. And he's not quite Massey material in his grandfather's eyes. I mean, who among us? Right. How could anyone reach the heights? The Massey heights. Yeah. So Hart favors, Hart is the grandfather. He favors Burt's cousins, Raymond and Vincent,

gives them more money and like good jobs at the company. Oh, let's take a look at Burt. Oh, he looks pissed. His grandfather doesn't like him because he over plucked his eyebrow. That's my theory. I don't know if it's true. Or does he look like the dude from that show, Mr. Robot? Oh, yes. Malin Blalink. Okay. Mayan Bialik. Yes. Yes. That's the one. Yep. Next show, you have to stand up and read the apology to Mayan Bialik. Dear Blossom. I'm so sorry about all those hats they made you wear in the 90s. Okay. She's not very female friendly, so we don't care. Oh, is that true? Yes. Let's not get into it. Okay. Let's focus on Burt Massey, total loser. That is a center part. That is a center right up the middle part.

They cut it off because they don't understand what's good. Okay. So Burt works at a Studebaker dealership, the Pontiac of the early 1900s. He's selling cars to support his wife, Rota, and their 14 year old son. Although he was quite popular with his peers, Burt is often referred to as a cad and mostly because of how he treats women. He's known for his interest in sports cars and fast women. That's how Burt is known around town. Which back then just means like a car goes 30 miles an hour and a woman shows her ankle. Yeah, exactly. He's like, check out the ankles on that one and she wants it. She wants joint health. It must have been edgy though at the time. Yeah, yeah. Because there was only four cars. Okay. So 1913, Burt and his wife decide that they

want to hire a maid. So they hire 18 year old British maid. Her name is Carrie Davies. She is hired to work at their nice, but modest two story brick house at 169 Walmer Road. Do you guys live there? Who lives there? Now it's apartments. Oh my God, who lives there after party? Let's go there after. Front lawn. Can you imagine living there now and being like, we got to get a maid. I can't handle this whole house by myself. Huge. No offense. I guess that's offensive. I'm sorry. Is it? To someone. Everything's offensive to someone. I think that's what we've learned vis-à-vis social media. So Carrie Davies was born in Bedfordshire, England in 1897. She's the oldest of four girls. Her family is very poor, but growing up, she is known as a kind

and virtuous girl. In 1913, she's 16 years old. Her disabled father, who is a veteran of the Boer War, dies. And just to make it as decency and as possible, her mother begins to go blind. So her mother can't work, so she has to work. And that's when she finds out about the Canadian program to recruit young, respectable, trustworthy, unmarried working class women to come over and work in Canada. So she signs up and she is placed in the Massey's household. She has no social life. She doesn't spend any of her earnings on herself. She sends everything back to her sisters and her mom. In early February of 1915, Rhoda Massey decides to take a trip out of town to visit her family. She brings the 14-year-old son

and it that leaves Burt alone to manage the household with. And the household is Carrie, basically. So on Sunday, February 7th, Carrie's working in the house and Burt basically catches her, is the phrase they use, and kisses her twice. He tries to make further advances, but she wrenches away from him and goes and hides in her bedroom. So it's just that she's stuck in this house. It's where she worked. It's where she's lived for two years. So she has nowhere to go and it's her job. She doesn't want to lose her job. So she's upstairs hiding in her bedroom, trying to add casual. Later that night, Burt Massey calls out to her and asks her to come in and make his bed. So she has to go. This time, of course, Massey forces himself on her again more aggressively,

but once again, Carrie breaks free. This time she runs out of the house and across town, where her sister who has since moved to Toronto lives with her husband. And when she tells them what happened, they're very sympathetic, but they say you have to go back. You need your job. Just be careful, basically, and they send her back. Yeah, that's how it was. So she has no choice. She goes back to the Massey home, but Burt doesn't bother her the rest of the night, but she, for Carrie, the emotional damage is done. She's an innocent girl, very young, and she's stuck in this house with a creep. And I'm sure these, it's so funny. It's like, of course, no one knows, but her, what the actual moves were, but the idea of like, catching and kissing, when it's

described, and you see all those old newspapers, it's all very like, cutesy, it's very, it's the nine to five feeling where it's like, oh, that old perv. But clearly, I think it was violent. I think it was very scary and very threatening. Yeah, and kissing back then, I think is something you only did when you got married. Yes, probably. It was like, yeah, touching someone's hand is like, I'm totally going to fuck you. That's how you let people know. Or a nice note and some violets, there's all these different ways. But okay, so the next day is Monday, February 8th, and Burt Massey goes to work. And Carrie spends the day freaking out. She's just pacing, she doesn't know what she's going to do when he gets home, because she knows it's going to happen

again. And she decides to take matters into her own hands. She goes and gets Burt's 32 caliber revolver from his gun cabinet. And she waits for him. And then that night when he gets home for work for his evening meal, she greets him on the front steps of that mansion with, with his own revolver. Holy shit. Yeah. And she points the gun at him and yells, you've ruined me and shoots him in the chest. Yeah. And the other thing to keep in mind, too, is he has ruined her. This was, this is that time where if somebody, if something like that got out, she's the maid. She's an immigrant. She doesn't have any people in this country. She is ruined. Like, I mean, you got to think too, like she told, she probably, she fucking probably did more than that. And she

didn't want to say, right? You know what I mean? Yes. Like, it's just sucks. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That poor thing. Well, so she shot him. Right. So as you do, as one will, the neighbors hear the commotion, they come out, excuse me, they rush to his side. They carry his body off. They try to tend to his wounds. He dies there. She runs upstairs. She changed. She's in her room, basically changing out of her maid's uniform and into her own clothes. And when the police come, she turns to them and says, yes, I shot him and basically goes with them voluntarily. The newspapers, of course, go nuts. The story tops all the news of the day. It eclipses the war. It's that big. And this was, this is the picture. There's that mansion up there. No, no, that's some,

it says that's the news boy. Why is he there? I don't know. I'm not sure who that is. Maybe they like the guy who sells you the paper just has a photo. I brought this to your house. Yeah. You might consider tipping me sometime, you old bastard. Ernest, what does it say? Pellenton? Pelleteer. Pelleteer? He was the leading news boy of 1915. He's in that mix somewhere. And if you read Charlotte Gray's book, which you absolutely should. Sorry. Charlotte will tell you all about him. I don't have time. Okay. Stop looking at it. Just stop looking at it. Okay. So when she's questioned by the police, Kerry tells the authorities all about the harassment that took place the day before.

She says she shot him as an act of self-defense and she tells them Burt Massey ruined her character. So I do think there was more that happened. And she could not continue to live in fear of what he might have done next. Quote, she said, I only thought of his doing me harm. So the next day, Tuesday, February 9th, 1915, she carries taken to women's court and her charges are formally read aloud. And as they're read, she collapses into tears and sobs convulsively. In her official statement, she states that she watched as Massey returned from work around 6.15 p.m. And that's when, as she states, quote, I seem to lose control of myself and ran upstairs and got the revolver. So at the trial, which was days later, which is just such a weird thing to

think about. They turned that shit right around. People came to the courthouse in droves. Everybody was like, I got to be here for this. And not only because the Massey's were this very famous Toronto family and very, you know, upper class Toronto family, but also because they came to support Kerry. Yeah. So in fact, there was such an outpouring of support, not only cards and letters, but financial support that she was able to afford one of the best lawyers money could buy at the time. His name was Hartley Dewart. Yes. So her trial begins on February 26, 1915. And it's an all male jury. Hang in there. Courtroom is packed to the brim. Everybody's, it's on. So the prosecutor, of course, tries to call Kerry's credibility into question, saying that she's

young, she's poor, and she's hysterical. He also reminds the jury that they're only getting her side of the story because Bert Massey can't defend himself in court because she killed him. But then when the defense lawyer Dewart makes his case, he focuses on Kerry's good reputation and strong moral values. He also shows the jury her medical records. So basically they had her, they had doctors examine her, and they had medical records proving that she was a virgin. Oh God. It's awful, but, but they're basically like, boom. So because she's a virgin, they are, he argues her only intention was to preserve her character and her chastity. She did not, this wasn't some, like he said, she said, you know, running around the table, cutesy thing. She did

not want to have sexual relations with Bert Massey. He ends his argument by lauding her as a hero, quote, she is a heroine, a woman of strong character, of stamina, of strong principles. And then he says, if she did not, he actually found this, if she, if she did not defend herself against this man, she would have been a fallen woman, an outcast, one more sacrifice. Let that sink into your mind. This was not manslaughter. This was brute slaughter. Look at him. He's a good guy. That's a good guy. And what he really is also calling into, into that courtroom that day is basically saying, this is what happens if, if somebody gets raped. This is what happens to women. The victims are the ones that fucking get tossed out. Then they become sex workers.

Then everyone goes, they deserve everything they're getting. And it's, it's because this is what happens in the first place. It's like all of a sudden, and it's, it's so fucking like modern day. Yeah, it's crazy that they even like mentioned it back then, especially a man fucking, look what we do, everyone. Yes. This is what fucking happens. And this is the pattern. Well, the jury was out for 30 minutes and then they came back not fucking guilty. Amazing. Yes. 30 minutes. Holy shit. They're like, let's have a sandwich and then we'll go back and fuck it. They went into the room and they're just like, we're total shit, right? Okay. Let's, let's fix this. Let's do something. Let's do something for once. Oh, after, after Dewart gave his, that closing speech, the chief justice,

William Mulock, someday, when all this goes down here, Stephen, at the end of that speech, the defense's closing argument, he cried. He cried in the, in the courtroom. Yeah. I know it's beautiful. You Canadian men, fucking you rule. You really do. All right. So anyway, that's my place. I got all keyed up and I lost my place. Um, okay. You stop looking at him. Every bartender in LA. Truly. Correcting you about movies. Fuck you. What? It's fine. So Carrie later moves out to the country near Brampton. Is that your favorite? She marries a farmer named Charles Brown.

They have a son, Charlie, a daughter, Sally, they leave. They never pay attention to them, even on Thanksgiving. No, she actually becomes the custodian of a home for girls. She raises two children of her own. She also was the first person that would go and open the church every morning. And she was the person, if someone died in their town, she would be the one that went and closed their eyes. So they say that the writers, and I believe it was Charlotte Gray, maybe another reporter that's done a lot of, uh, work on this story, um, talked about that she basically in her life was just giving penance and doing penance for the rest of her life for that. Wow. Um, but she really was, you know, an amazing person. She never told anyone in her family about

that part of her life. And the first time her daughter found out about it was when this other reporter came to talk about, he was like, I want to write a book and was talking about it. And the girl had no idea that that's, that her mom went through that. And then the, the daughter said, it makes perfect sense. Cause that's my mom lived like that. Like she lived like she was giving back and that she was, that she owed something. Yeah. Yeah. On the other hand, Burt Massey was buried in an unmarked grave. Wow. He didn't get into the Massey family crypt. I don't know about you, but I would love one late Halloween night to see somebody come out of that thing. Look at it. It's bigger than Burt's house. That's creepy as fuck. Who's in there?

If you had to spend one night in there, would you do it? How much? A million. Yes. Easily. Okay. So there was an interesting essay that was written about this case on a website called development of Toronto.com. Your favorite. I'd love to go on that in the mornings. Just a catch up on the developments. It was written by a woman named Amanda Saravelle. And she wrote, Davey's acquittal represented the triumph of traditional moral and morals and values in the changing times of the first world war. Her gender, her race, and her class were all determining factors in securing her freedom. Though these factors were present from many other women who interacted with the Canadian criminal justice system, Davey's had the support of the

city behind her. Her only wish after her acquittal was to be able to, quote, be back at work, that she could forget it all and be able to go home to England to see her mother. So essentially, she was a lucky white virgin. I'm serious. I mean, that's really what's happening here. If she didn't have that fucking doctor's report. I think the point of all of this is I would like to live in a world where no matter how much melanin is in your skin or how much of your hymen is intact or whatever the fuck you've done or whatever your sexual preferences are, that you get some justice in court the way she did. That would be nice, wouldn't it? Wouldn't it? And that's the story of the Massey Maid murder.

Amazing. Amazing. What if I hit a button and that blew up? Well, I feel like if it's going to happen anywhere, it's not America. So not the way we're going right now, but let's be positive. Okay. That was amazing. Great job. Thank you. Hey, do we have time for a home down? Hey, you got to listen to the rules. There he is. Vince Savril, everybody.

Oh, Canada. Oh, Canada. Yeah. Okay. Either side. Thank you. Oh, great. Okay. Could we have the lights up just a hint so we can see people and what they're doing? And I'm just going to tell you, I'm going to tell you really quick. Okay. Can I just tell you the rules really? Oh my God, they're up there too. Hi.

I have no idea. Where else? Where else are they? Okay, you get up here. Come on. You better not be drunk. You better make it fast. You better bleep bleep blah. I think you go that way. Oh yeah. Over there. Over that way. Oh, go to Vince.

Okay. You can bring the house lights down. Thank you. Do I have lipstick on my teeth? No. Okay, great. You guys better be right. They're all pouring out. Oh my God. There's so much pressure. Hi. It's Alex, you guys. Get over here. Take this and then don't get scared. Okay.

Where are you from? I'm from Burlington. Our favorite place. What's your hometown? So it's actually the murder of my grandmother. Oh, whoa. Yeah. So I'm going to start off and say that I wasn't quite one when she died. So it's not like it's personal for me because of my mother who's actually here in the front row.

But I'm like a little step back. So for me, it was just like trying to find out this crazy story that they hid for me for my whole life. So my grandmother's name is Edwina Jones. She's from Wales. She moved to Canada. She met my grandfather who actually was in Niagara Falls but didn't use a barrel. She just went by bus. He went over? Yeah. Oh, shit.

So then he's passed. We're in it now. It's on. Here we go. So if that wasn't enough for my mom, she marries a man who is the greatest guy by all accounts. His name is Jonathan Woodrow and he's one of those special sociopaths who no one ever knows. He's just the best. So what happens is, so I found out, so what happened was he gets this call from this guy and he calls his friend and he says,

hey, I have an arms deal and I want you in on it. So he was a Scotland Yard police officer in Britain, moved to Burlington and became a private investigator. So he calls his buddy. He says, hey, I got this arms deal. I'm going to get the money. I don't actually have guns, but we're going to fake it. And his buddy goes, cool. Let me know if you need a hand, but I'm going to step back. So he gets this whole thing set up.

He tries to kill her with a rag with chloroform on it. She survives. He breaks her wrist, but she survives. Then she goes back to him because as we know, it's really tough to say when you're in relationships. And if they're that much of a sociopath, you think they're great. They do everything they can convince you. She goes back to him.

So the cops have been basically this happens and they're like, okay, so she might be in danger, but you know what we're going to do? We're going to tap the phone. We're not going to tell her that because his friend who he told about the arms deal went to the cops and said, hey, this is happening. So the cops don't go, hey, Edwina, you might be at risk. They go, we're going to tap the phone. And that's how we'll make sure she's okay.

So they find out this is going to happen. It's at Spencer Smith, which is like right on Lake Ontario. So his plan is he gets a van, cuts a hole in the bottom, parks over a manhole. Sorry, one second. I'm sorry. That's some bugs bunny shit. Oh, okay.

So he's going to, he's going to be like, take, give me the money. I'm going to go on my van, get the guns. But in reality, he's going to go into the sewer. So the SWAT team is all they're waiting for him. And if they put in a like a fake officer to do the exchange. So they do the exchange and they're like busted. So they get him. They find a gun on him with bullets missing.

So they race over to my Nana's house and he's shot her. Yeah. So he pled guilty and he got 25 and he's still in prison. So this was in 1994. Holy shit. So his 25 years is up this year. Oh no. Guys, let's all go to the parole hearing.

So the big thing was, no, he never gave a reason why, which was one of the reasons why the judge when he sentenced him said, you are one of the most evil individuals I've ever met, because he basically was like stone. Yeah. And so after 20 years, he started going for his parole hearings. And then he started coming up with his stories of why, because that's what they wanted.

So one of his stories is that the guy, my Nana found out he, his friend had a gun. And so his friend was like, you got a shooter. So that's story number one. Pearl boards like cool. That's not a reason. Yeah. Yeah.

And it's a really bad story. Yeah. Yeah. So they go to the second reason and this is when he says, okay, so I couldn't tell you the real story because it was an ex-police officer who was, who made me do it. And they're like, okay. So he says that he got caught doing a $500,000 cocaine,

like the guy framed him for a cocaine sale. And if he didn't kill my Nana, he was going to kill her kids. I'm already lost. Yeah. Yeah. So, and then he also gave reason that his friend was also an RCMP officer. And since the guy could point to him and say, hey, he's a crooked cop. Oh, and he also said his private investigation firm was investigating RCMP's involvement with

terrorist organizations. No. So, but every time they keep going, yeah, but you're still not saying why you did it. You're just killed your wife. Yeah. Yeah. So, and what happened was they keep saying, yes, but you've planned this. You tried to kill her. It didn't work. You tried again.

And when they caught him, he had a ticket to the States and $500 in his pocket. So he was planning on piecing us down the manhole. Down that manhole. Right to America. So. Isn't that what you want? Right. Isn't that what you need right now?

Oh, you could just go down a manhole to Ontario, California. Gorgeous. So gorgeous there. So she is survived by her four beautiful children. And we all still talk about her. And what's her name? Her name is Edwina. Edwina, what's her last name?

Her maiden name is Jones. Edwina Jones. Yeah. Yes. Amazing. Yes. That was amazing. Great job.

Amazing. Thank you, Alex. That's that's how you do a hometown murder. There it is. You're all forgiven. Great job, this team. But I did see one of their faces when she goes, the one next to her when she goes,

my grandmother was murdered. The girl was like, I'm like, you should know that. You didn't know the story? Oh my God. We love Canada. You guys, thank you so much for having us. It's always a fucking pleasure coming here. It's amazing.

We played this theater the last time we were here. And it's, it's an incredible room to be in. But this, this crowd, you guys are just such a great crowd and such a, it's very cool to go to a different country and have people like you there too. That's exciting. Yeah. That's my speech.

Thank you guys. We always say this, but honestly, we are all, we are just constantly in awe of this entire thing that's happening. The customs person said, my favorite murder. Your favorite murder. Yeah. And then let us on through.

She didn't feel strongly about it. She just didn't love it. So we just can't believe we're going to do stuff like this and go to other fucking places and talk to people. Yeah. Faces. It's great. And we get to see you guys.

Maybe we say this all the time too, but it really does, the coolest thing is when we meet people and the meet and greet and people go, I came here by myself and this is like a room full of my friends. There's something about this community that you guys are building that is magical and beautiful. And thank you so much. It's amazing.

It really is. I won't do what I did last night, which is almost fuck the audience over because I wanted to say, stay saved. Do God's missions. All right. That's what I... She fucking did that.

She goes, stay saved. And then halfway through, I was like, oh, no. I go, stay saved. And the audience is like, what the fuck? Fuck you. But instead of that, I will say, stay sexy. And don't get murdered. Thanks, Toronto.