My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 165 - Live at the Old National Centre in Indianapolis

Episode Date: March 21, 2019

Karen and Georgia cover the Richmond Hill explosion and the murder of Marjorie Jackson.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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A Googled Indianapolis true crime story. That's where you start. Right. But usually that's the beginning and then you spend all this time putting in like bizarre or historical. You're just trying to get something like interesting that's a good story to tell. This was the first article I clicked on. Wow. And it's the murder of Eris Marjorie Jackson.

Is her name Eris or is she an Eris? Eris Marjorie Jackson. Marie. Harris. No, I know. Okay, so this article that I found was written by Tim Evans of the Indianapolis Star and it was from 2015. They put together this story because it was the 40th anniversary of the crime. And in it he quotes a book about the case that was written by Pulitzer Prize winning Indianapolis Star reporter and editor Dick Katie.

And that book is called Scavengers, A True Story of Money, Madness, and Murder. And I want to read it really bad because I need so much more. Okay, so we are talking about Marjorie Jackson. Oh my God, that hat was in the vintage shop this morning. For real. This might be her cape. She looks like my grandma. Marjorie O'Connell is how she grew up.

She comes from what Dick Katie refers to as a, quote, hard scrabble background, right? Hard scrabble. So she wasn't good at scrabble. We're not into that kind of comedy. No, I hate comedy. Okay, but all that changes the day that Chester Jackson walks into Murphy's Five and Dime in downtown Indianapolis where Marjorie is working. They hit it off and soon Marjorie, hard scrabble Marjorie discovers Chester Jackson is fucking loaded. Okay, so it turns out Chester's father was Lafayette Andrew Jackson.

He started the standard grocery business. He opened the first Kroger in Ohio. Money, money, money, money. Who would have thought that fucking supermarkets was like big money? Yeah, supermarkets. Supermarkets in the 10s, 20s, and 30s. I mean, it's in the name, supermarket. It is still super.

That's crazy. Crazy money. Chester's father started the standard, so he basically opened the first Kroger in Ohio. Then he basically sold the chain and bought the standard grocery business. He just kept kind of like buying up and buying out, making a ton of money and then buying out places. He actually sold the AMP. He was the owner of the AMP grocery store chain, and he sold that and then it like immediately went out of business. He was just a very astute business person.

Yeah, let's give him some props. But he is shot and killed in a robbery in one of the grocery stores that he owns. So in 1931, Chester takes over the family business. So he manages very well, but it's basically like he has a ton of money, then he makes more money on that money. And we know how that goes in today's America. And so when he sells the entire chain of American grocery in 1947, he makes, of course, millions and millions of millions of dollars. And this is around the time when he walks into that five and dime and meets Marjorie, just like a terrible John Mellon camp song. The problem is, good old Chester Jackson's married.

And so Marjorie's like, that's fine. And they carry on what is referred to as a not so secret affair for years, which I would love. And when I read the book, I will then know the details of that not so secret affair. He'd touch her ankle in public or something. On the bus. Oh my God. So I'm sure it was just he was like a super rich guy that could do whatever the fuck he wanted. And his wife is like, fine, I'll stay home and take pills and look out the window.

It's not a bad life. It's not a bad, it's not. You can smoke indoors. Cats love that life. There's many cats. You get some really like high grade cats. You just get your decanter of gin. Put on your stories.

You're fine. Okay. Now, miraculously, in 1952, Chester actually does the thing all men say they're going to do and he divorces his wife and marries Marjorie. That's a second marriage for both of them. So it was the real thing. Look, stop judging their love as sinful as it might be. In 1954, they move into a very fancy house and expensive at the time house on Spring Mill Road in Indianapolis.

You live there? It's the best road here. You should see how gorgeous the asphalt is. So they never have children. But that doesn't matter because they have so much money that they treat their money like children. All the money gets their own room. They ignore it? Go out and play.

Okay, so here's the thing though. Back in the day, grocery stores used to be cash only businesses because of course credit cards either didn't exist or were very rarely used and you could not write a check usually at a grocery store unless people knew you personally. So there was rarely check. So it was a cash business. And I'm sure his dear old dad Andrew Jackson, they basically would take home the money from the grocery stores and hide it in their house. Millions of dollars. They would stash it because he also didn't want to pay taxes on it.

Of course he didn't. Nobody wants to pay taxes on their money. We fucking do it. Yeah, you just have to do it. But of course he doesn't think he has to. So their entire house is just filled with money, with cash everywhere. It's also in safety deposit boxes and banks around town. But for the most part, their house is filled with cash.

It's a fire hazard because of cash. Oh my God. So then in 1970, Chester dies and he leaves 60 year old Marjorie with a $14 million fortune. Fuck. So Marjorie is, I don't know if she already had been, with the details will come in scavengers by Dick Katie, but she becomes a bit of a kooky recluse. Wouldn't it? As one would want. Yes.

Fun. Now it's my time for pills and gin. She's like, let's do this. She rarely leaves the house. Yay. What for? She talks to birds and squirrels. I've done that.

I mean, they're fun to talk to. They are. Because they keep it zipped. Wait, is that a problem to talking of squirrels? It's absolutely not. Okay. As long as it doesn't get in the newspaper. Okay.

As long as you're not talking to it like it's a normal conversation. Yeah. Are you hearing anything back from the squirrel? No. And then you're fine. Okay, great. Yeah. If you hear the squirrel talk back, tell a friend.

She shouts racial epithets. Now there's when I stop. We knew we were going to run into something. Yeah. It's 1978, six. So she also tells people, the people she does see and talk to who are hearing her yell bad words and talk to squirrels. She also tells them she's growing money out of the ground.

Oh no. How old is she? 42? No, she's just, well now she's 66, I believe. Okay. That's a good age to go fucking bad shit. Just lose it. Definitely stop dyeing your roots.

Yeah, you're kind of still hot still. But you could be like, I'm just going to put one eyelash on today. Like you could just do that kind of shit. Yeah. That's when it gets, your vision's very poor. You're not putting on glasses to put on lipstick. You're like, I know where my mouth is. Get away.

Really long chin hairs. Oh yeah. So in 1976, Marjorie learns that an employee at the bank where she has, she took her money and she put about $9 million of it in the bank, they say. But then she learns that an employee at the bank where she made that deposit, whose name was Herbert D. Biddle, which sounds, if that was in a script I'd be like, I think we should change this. It's kind of goofy.

But this is real. He embezzled $700,000 from her. Wow. Out of her account. Probably in front of her. Yeah. Because she was like, this girl told me I should come in and look at my money today. And he was like, that's right, Marjorie.

Yes. Sign this and sign this. Holy bae. No, stole it behind her back. He's caught. He serves 10 years for embezzlement. She goes from cookie recluse to full on lunatic millionaire. What she does is she spends the next few months pulling all the money out of all of her bank

accounts across town. There was multiple. So between January and May of 1976, Marjorie cashes out her entire fortune, which is, oh, sorry, it was 11 million total. Yeah. It's more than that. It's 14. But she takes 9 million out of the Indiana national bank.

It's now chase. Sorry. We're all just, it's all going to become just chase. Like we're like, do you want to get fast food or go to the bank or go to the grocery store or go to the hospital? Let's go to chase. There's a really good show on chase tonight. Okay.

Stop being negative, Karen. She takes 9 million out of the Indiana national bank and an estimated additional 2 million from other bank accounts. So what she'd do is she'd show up at the bank with a suitcase. Yes. She'd ask for a million dollars in $100 bills. And then she'd go walk out of the bank with the suitcase. Like real side to side for no reason.

Beautiful vintage suitcase. Yes. She'd have flowers on it. Then she'd go home and hide the cash in closets, toolboxes, vacuum cleaner bags, garbage cans, other spots around her house. And she would squirrel it away. The squirrels told me to. The squirrels told me to put this here.

And she always had a bunch of cashews in her cheek. Anyhow, everybody. Of course, word spreads around town. You know, Herbert D. Biddle from the jail was like, guys, listen. You're fools. You don't get up to that house on the spring. I got a tip for you from jail. It's me, Herbert D. Biddle.

I'm bald and I have round glasses. You can see me in your head right now because my name is Herbert D. Biddle. Pocket watch vest. Word spreads through town that Marjorie has millions of dollars hidden in her home. Which is, you have to think about, that's like, if you wanted to look at, you know, there's a house in Los Angeles. They just call it the murder house where a dad tried to kill his whole family one night. The Los Feliz murder mansion.

The Los Feliz murder mansion. And yeah, the rumor was that it was all closed up and you could still see the Christmas tree and the Christmas presents or whatever, but that was like, that's kind of not really the truth. But everybody goes and looks at it because you're just like, holy shit. Imagine if you found out that there was just like a crazy old lady in a house full of cash. Yeah. Like it's such a security issue. I mean, that's why people don't keep cash in their house.

No, nor should they. No, they shouldn't. Or in their vacuum cleaner bag. Guys, get a savings account, you know, get a high yield savings account. Put your money in there, let it increase over time. Because Chase Bank cares about you. Chase. Chase Bank.

Promo code murder. Boom. And that's how you get people to stop listening to your podcast. Podcast references get podcast work. Okay. Millions of dollars in cash in $100 bills in a house with a crazy lady. So on May 2nd, 1977, two 19 year olds named Walter Bergen Jr. and Douglas Howard Green break into Marjorie's house. They steal diamond necklaces, watches, a pearl necklace, diamond rings,

and then in going through one of Marjorie's closets, they find $817,000 in $100 bills. So they take that too. Yeah, they do. Yeah, they do. Holy shit. Yeah. Which in today's money. Oh my God.

That's easily $2.7 million. Yeah. Why didn't I today's money that? I don't know. I'm sorry. I was procrastinating. No. It's a ton.

It's over double. Let's just say that and agree to it and move on. I want you to have another beer and stop checking my math. Oh, someone's defensive. Okay. Marjorie doesn't report the crime. When the police ask her about it, she says the teenagers are lying. Mind your own business.

Wow. That is ballsy as fuck. Hero, hero, hero, except for the racism part. I love it so much. Hi. But of course, Bergen and Green brag about the robbery all over town. Shut up. So the police go to Marjorie's house with an attorney who works for the prosecutor's

office named Tommy Thompson. Yep. Who is actually the one who tackled Harold D. Biddle. Herbert D. Biddle. Shit. Forget it. Cancel that joke. They go to Marjorie's house to say, we know these guys did it.

We've caught them bragging about it. We need you to press charges. It was one of the coldest days of the year. Marjorie met them at the end of the driveway in her nightgown holding a gun. It was a toy gun, but they didn't know that. Oh. And she told them to get off her property. Oh.

They didn't shoot her dead because she's white. They left. They left. Bergen and Green were later caught and arrested for the robbery and for being stupid. Okay. So despite Marjorie's threats and reclusiveness, it happens again. Of course. It's like, yeah.

Yes. This is, this entire story is like a prequel to Fargo. There's so many parallels and characters, all of it. It's insanity. So on May 2nd, 1977, Manuel Robinson and Howard Billy Joe Willard. For real. Billy Willard? Oh shit.

I think I have, I think I have another picture. Oh, no way. I had Marjorie. Oh, I do. Ooh. Look at that. This is the house. How'd she let it?

This was. Wow. Shit. I should have done that comparison. This was a really nice house when they moved in. It was a really nice house. And this is what she let it turn to. Oh honey.

With her ramblings and her squirrel talk. You got the Christmas lights. You're round. Yeah. You got. Here. That thing. You have $100 bills everywhere you turn.

Get a boy and go through this place with a weed wacker. And then have another one sit security all day. Yeah. And they just take your fake gun and sit on the front porch. Just. You greedy old nut. Okay. Um, okay.

So Robinson and Willard break into the house and they steal a million dollars in cash. And they get away with it. So two days later, they go back for more. Oh. The house filled with cash and an old lady who doesn't care that people are stealing her money or something. Wow. But this time when they're in the house and they literally are taking bags of cash out

of the house as like, they're just like. Taking our time. Yeah. It's almost like an episode of hoarders, but instead of garbage, it's $100 bills. Oh my God. Um, Marjorie confronts them in the kitchen and they shoot her and kill her in her home. Um, they end up stealing two to three, roughly million dollars in cash each. Fuck each.

Yeah. So to cover up the murder, they start a fire as they leave the house, but they're dumb as many criminals are and they do a bad job with starting a fire in a house filled with money. They can't, they can't get it to burn. So the fire they set just smolders for hours. Oh, and basically after, uh, I think one article said hours later and another said several days later, um, somebody notices the smoke and finally the firemen come. Even in the seventies, when they like sprayed flammable shit on every surface of your house.

Yeah. If she, if she had that nightgown on that she confronted the cops. Yeah. Those were made of matches. Did you know that? I don't know why they did that. And the little clip was a lighter. Oh, you could always smoke a cigarette.

I, uh, I held up a nightgown to Karen today at the vintage shop. I was like, look how cute this is. I said, uh, it'll light right up on Christmas morning. Okay, you're right. Put it back. My father has done irreparable damage to me and I see fire everywhere and I start fires everywhere. Okay.

So the firemen finally come. They find Marjorie's body as well as another $5 million in cash that none of these, none of the four thieves could find. Oh my God. Um, because it had been stored in a 32 gallon trash can tucked inside a closet. So as they were going through all the other shut, they're like, no, that's garbage. Don't look in there. Yeah.

In the closet? No. That's trash. That's a trash can. That's the, that's the closet can. Yeah. People need that sometimes to throw shoes away. Actually it'd be a good idea if I never get rid of clothes.

I'm always like, I'll, I'll, I was going to say grow back into it. I'll slim down back into, I won't get rid of anything. It should, there should be a garbage can there. I'm like, give it up. You're never going to wear this sailor shirt. I have a weird corner where I tuck the things that I like, want to give away and want to sell and want to maybe get back into one day. And then it's like a weird, tucky thing that you can't see.

Yeah. And then Mimi sleeps on it for a fucking months. And I take it out and there's just this sheen of fur. And then it's trash. Yeah. Have you ever done, I've done this a couple of times when I drop clothes off at the Goodwill or the place near my house. There will be enough dog hair on the clothes I'm dropping off where I try not to make sure

no one sees me. These are good clothes, but you're going to have to roll the shit out of these clothes. Apologies. Yeah. Okay, so here's detective Dave Pashel or Pascale or Pascale, counting some of the cash. Oh, wow. Look at him. That's not Herbert.

No. Ah! That's his brother Dave, his brother-in-law Dave by marriage. Look at the look on his face. He's like, I have to count it and I don't get to have any. This is bullshit. No. After that photo was taken, he was going, one for me, one for you.

Uh-oh. Well, well. Dog ear that idea. When investigators search the house, and this is the part I really, I don't have enough information on for my own satisfaction. When investigators search the house, all the doorknobs and heating vents are covered in aluminum foil. What does that mean?

Big potatoes. Happy St. Patrick's Day, everybody. What does it mean? I don't know. Oh. There's no answer. Oh. She's not there.

Squirrel lady isn't there to explain what the fucking king is. I thought it was some kind of part of the plot or something. It's part of the plot in that it's, the set decorators really going to have to do some aluminum foil work on this prequel that we're going to produce. All right. I think it's just indicative of a mind that's gone off by itself. That's wandered away from the picnic table. Because they, you know what else she does?

What? They also find thousands of small wrapped gifts around the house with labels like, to Jesus from Marjorie Jackson. Ooh. Ooh. Yeah. To God, love Marjorie. Oh.

You always, you hear about gifts from God, but no one ever talks about giving gifts to God. Repent. They open some of these gifts just to make sure there's not $100 bills stuffed inside of them. Because that's not the kind of money that Jesus uses. Bitcoin. He's a Bitcoin guy.

Totally digital. Jesus. Inside, instead of being valuables or cash, they find a stack of wash rags, 50 loaves of bread, around 100 pounds of coffee. I mean, we don't know Jesus personally. Maybe that's what, but here's the thing. As we know from the Bible, if you care about the Bible like I do, you know Jesus doesn't need you to give him bread.

He can make it himself. It's one of his best tricks. Do not gift Jesus bread. That's a good point. He doesn't. He's like, thanks. He's basically has a bakery and you're giving him bread. I'm good.

What are you, was that fishes? No, no, no. I got, ugh. No. Then he's like, ooh, wash rags. Yes. You can always use wash rags. But also coffee, cakes, cards, dear Jesus and more all intended to be gifts for Jesus

and his dad, which is nice, if you believe. She also laid out the dining room table in her finest China and best silver because she was preparing for the feast she and Jesus would have when he came back to quote the great Tiffany Hannish, she ready. She ready. Oh, honey. Yeah. So in days and weeks after the robbery, the two men responsible.

So basically I'm going to spoiler alert you that two men responsible are Billy Joe Willard and manual Robinson. I told you that already. Yes. It's not a spoiler. Forgive me. I'm not following my own story. I'm so shitfaced.

You would not believe it. Okay. Willard and Robinson split up. One smart move. They do. And they play it super cool. Of course they don't. Not in the least.

Okay. So here's this is Billy Joe and his girlfriend, Marjorie Paulette, because it's 1978 and everyone's named Marjorie. I mean, can we talk about that upper lip mustache? Is it a mustache? Yeah. Oh, it's not. I think it's his lip.

I thought it was chapped lip. And sorry, are those bottom or top teeth? Do we, is there a dentist in the house? This is from a time before there were fillers where if you wanted a fuller upper lip, you just had to grow. Yeah, no. And make it appear. Yeah.

These, some people have lips like this. Millennials. You don't know that because everyone, everyone fills their lips. That's right. Yeah, there were times where you just didn't get a lip. And you had to make do and it gave you a better personality. Okay. Meanwhile, Marjorie had it all.

Yeah. Look at her with her condescending eyelids. Holy shit. Those eyebrows. What's that called? Not Spookoo, but the other one. Oh, I don't know. The one I couldn't, that I named incorrectly.

What about the eyebrows though? They don't exist. They're ghosts. They're ghost brows. Her forehead's haunted. I just do like that people used to have hair like this. And it was like, it didn't matter what your face looked like. You had to have literally four feet of hair going like, it was full on March.

And like, you couldn't even put your finger through it because it was so spray. You couldn't get near it. Yeah. That was actually what would ignite the match robe or match. It was the hair spray. It was like a full can of Aquanet inside your mom's hair. Oh, history. Okay.

So here's what they do. Marjorie and Billy Joe, they're like, we're going to go to Arizona. You guys don't have that accent here, do you? They just sign. It's $3 million and you're like, how about Arizona? Arizona. That's what we're going to do. Well, I think the idea was they were going to lay low.

The problem was that when they got there, they bought two RVs. With cash. Yes. With $100 bills. So the people selling RVs are just like, he's like, yeah, I'll take that one. And I want that one over there too. They're like, it's a Winnebago, sir. You just need one.

No, I want both. So that Winnebago salesman called the police. And then meanwhile, Manuel Robinson, who stays in town, made the exact same mistake. He goes with a friend and buys, they, they buy two brand new Lincoln connetals with $100 bills, which I'm sure has happened before buying cars with cash. Isn't insane. Isn't the weirdest thing. But what's weird is then they went back the next day and bought two more.

Dude. I mean, play it the slightest bit. Cool. They can't. They can't. They're like, we have six hefty bags of $100 bills. We want people to know. Yeah.

So of course, all these bills are traced back to the bills that were given to Marjorie when she did all of her big withdrawals. And so Manuel and Billy Joe arrested Billy Joe's actually extradited. I think, yeah, he's actually, he and Marjorie are extradited. There's them coming back. There's them on the tarmac and the cops taking them away where they're Winnebago's. Okay. I just like that things are circled, but they, you can't see anything.

Like you're like, yep, I see the circles, two circles for sure. So it did happen for sure. So when Manuel gets arrested, he lives in his girlfriend Annie's apartment. So they come to arrest him and then they search her apartment and they find about a half a million dollars hidden throughout her home. So he was like, that's, he took a tip from Marjorie, the Ridge. And so there was cash in her nightstand in her dresser and in a suitcase under the bed. There was a suitcase under the bed that had $1.5 million in cash in it.

Can you fucking imagine taking a nap atop one point? Oh, the relaxation. You would just not be worried for fucking once. Oh, also, I forgot to tell you that while they were in Arizona and after they were extradited, they of course separated the two of them and Marjorie, Marjorie Pollitt, the girlfriend, the authorities go to interview her and she tells them exactly where in the Arizona desert, she and Billy Joe buried two boxes of $100 bills totaling $1.6 million in cash.

So literally this is like a screen-for-screen reenactment of Fargo. But instead of Snow and Steve Buscemi with his face and fucking Billy Joe and his girlfriend out in the desert just digging, apparently it was a really shallow hole too. They're like, dick, dick, dick, all right. They're like, can't we pay someone to do this? We're rich now. No. They were obsessed with keeping everything in boxes or drawers. Don't spend the money. Squirl it away. Okay, fine. I told you that part.

Oh, here's those guys when they were being arraigned. So that's Manuel and that's his girlfriend, Annie, right there. That's what they thought. Okay, so Billy Joe Willard is pinned as the mastermind of this whole plan. So he's tried and found guilty of the murder of Marjorie Jackson. He gets life in prison at the Indiana Reformatory. Good. Oh, here's him in court.

Oh, is he British now? Yeah, he became a soccer coach or what I like to call football. Anyway, he's like, guilty? What do you mean guilty? Look at the look on his face. It's also shocking when it's like, yeah, you know, you went into the old ladies house twice and stole $5 million and $100 bills. We caught you.

Okay, so he goes to jail at the Indiana Reformatory in 1987. He collapses while jogging and dies. So that's the end of his story. Jogging in prison. There's this one part of the prison yard that's just such a gorgeous jog. There's a river. There's a riverfront trail. I mean, I get that you want to stay in shape in prison, but personally, I'd be like,

now I can let myself go, you know? Wouldn't you think? Yeah, it's like, yeah. Or you'd be like, if you're going to exercise, do the thing that makes you look like someone can't shiv you in the night. You know what I mean? Like, you're jogging around. I like jogging.

That's like, just why don't you paint a target on your back? So he kind of collapsed. They didn't even say why. Perhaps a blow dart from across the prison yard. People are like, you're just bugging me and we're in jail, so I'm going to kill you. Manuel Robinson has tried, he's acquitted of murder, but he has found guilty of robbery and arson, so he serves 10 years in jail. So 40 years later, which was in 2015, an 81-year-old investigative journalist named Don Devereaux

is talking to one of his sources about this story, and they note how odd it is that there was so much money left unaccounted for. Yeah. So, especially considering that Manuel and Billy Joe cooperated with the police and told them they got them, you know, and when they added it all up, it was $1.6 million had disappeared from the boxes in the desert and the garbage bags in the apartment and everything. Disintegrated. Right?

So through the Freedom of Information Act, Don Devereaux obtains FBI files on the case, and he comes across two interesting things. One, one of the FBI records about this that he requests is he gets a report that it's been partially destroyed, it was partially destroyed in 1993. Squirrels. They're for unattainable. And Devereaux says this is the first time in researching that he's ever experienced that with an FBI file, it almost never happens.

Wow. And on top of, he sees in a report that one of the case agent's names has been left unredacted six times in the report, which is very, very uncommon. So, like any good reporter, he looks up the name and he finds the real estate and financial records of that agent, and he finds that that agent has a Swiss bank account that he withdrew money from to buy a very expensive piece of property several years after Willard and Robinson were sent to prison. So Don Devereaux's theory is that this unnamed, in this article anyway, FBI agent who was

named in the report, he read skimmed some of the stolen money that he recovered from the Arizona burial hiding place, misreported the amount of cash that was found, and then funneled into his offshore bank account. The FBI formally denied Don Devereaux's request for further investigation. No. No, thank you. No. They said.

We're good. We'll decline that. Thank you. Please take a tour of our facilities. Watch Minehunter. Yeah. Netflix. Yeah.

Whereabouts of the remainder of Marjorie Jackson's missing fortune are still unknown, and that is the insane story of the murder of Marjorie Jackson. One page. What a waste. Oh my God. How is that not a movie? Yeah. No, I got to read Scavengers.

Scavengers, a true story of money man is a murder by Dick Katie. I'm reading. 100%. Yeah. That was incredible. Good job. Thank you. Do we have time for our hometown?

I think we do. Careful. Okay. I'm just like a bride. Oh, there's this. Oh, I see. Oh, you've got green on. What happened?

You have green on. That's right. And I have nothing else to add. I'm sorry. All right. I'm going to be out there. Okay. Do we need to wrap it up?

Are we in a little bit of a hurry? Okay. So this will be a quick one. We have to go very fast, please, because we've taken so long. Let me just tell you a couple of rules real quick, and they're important, because we have to go fast. You need to know the beginning, middle, and end of your story. You need to be able to tell it quick.

You can't stand up and be like, oh my God, this is crazy. I feel so crazy. We get it, and we understand, and we're crazy too. But tell the fucking story. Needs to be from Indianapolis, please. It needs to be good, and you can't be super drunk. Remember, it's St. Patrick's Day. We have a new one about the pointing thing.

Oh, yes, that's right. If you're pointing at a person next to you, but you haven't heard the story, you're fucking dead meat. I will come and find you. And with that, Georgia will choose. Do you need the lights up? Yeah, yeah, one person. Yes.

Come on up this way. Oh, wait. Shit, go that way. I really fucked this one up. Uh-oh. You have to go the other direction. Wait, come this way. Can you come this way?

Can you guys all move your feet? But they just have to get down there. I'm sorry. Oh. Oh, shit. Girl. She's climbing up. Yes.

Yes. What's her name? Jeanie. Jeanie? It's Jeanie, everybody. Good job. Jeanie got herself up on this fucking stage. She doesn't need stairs.

Oh, with help. Her team. Good job. How are you from? I live in Indianapolis now, but my story is from my hometown, which is Bloomington, Indiana. Okay. All right. So when I was growing up in the 80s, do I give names?

Yeah. Whatever you're comfortable with. A woman named Glendon Weinegger killed her boyfriend, a bowling supply salesman, one night while he was sleeping, by walking up to him, picking up a bowling ball and dropping it on his head. So it wasn't premeditated? That's fucking Game of Thrones. It's not from Game of Thrones.

Wow. Shit. She then proceeded to pick it up and drop it again, and again, and then again. No. And she finally admitted to the police that she lost track of how many times she actually picked it up and dropped it. Oh, my God. So she admitted that she did it, and she said, and this is not funny, but she said that she

did it because he was abusive and she was trying to get out of the relationship. And she said that before she escaped, she wanted to hurt him as badly as she wanted her. All right. So she went on trial, and the prosecutor, to his credit, did not really argue that. His whole argument was, okay, sure, but maybe about the fifth or sixth time he picked up the bowling ball and dropped it, it stopped being about self-defense and became more first degree murder. So anyway, she had a really good defense team, and the judge in Monroe County at the time

received a lot of letters from women supporting her and saying, we understand this. And so she was charged with first degree murder, but anyway, ultimately, she was convicted of manslaughter, and the judge mentioned in his sentencing that he had received all these letters, and she was sentenced to eight of a possible 20 years, and she did her time, and she was released, and I did some checking, and she actually went on and got married and then died many, many, many years later of natural causes. So kind of a happy ending, but my connection to this story is that, obviously, kind of a sensational story.

And so when the trial happened, it was super sensational, press coverage everywhere, and the day the trial opened, when they were breaking for lunch, reporters everywhere and photographers and cameras, and my mother worked in the courthouse, and so she was leaving her office as Glendon and her attorneys were leaving the courtroom, and there were reporters and everything hounding her, and my mom said she felt kind of uncertain and frightened, so my mom opened the door to her office and said come in here and wait until they leave, and so Glendon and her attorneys came in, and my mom tried to shut the door, and the reporters were trying to follow into her office, so my mom said we're closed, it's lunch time, and the reporters were like it's

a public office, we can come in, and so my mom had kind of the shoving at, shoving match with the reporters, and so she finally pushed the door shut against them, and she turned around and she went, oh those goddamn reporters, couldn't you just bash their heads in? Jeannie, Jeannie everyone, that was amazing, that was amazing, what's your mom's name, what's your mom's name? Barbara, Barbara's still with us, she's moved on, okay, Barbara, that was awesome, you don't have to climb up, it's yours, yeah, yeah, holy shit Jeannie, that was, we've had a weekend, this is our first show, every night's been a fucking great hometown, every night,

that was the fucking most fun, I mean fuck, you never had a run like that, of like great hometowns, I always have to try to anticipate and see what she's going to do, and I just thought her mom was going to be in the background of a picture, like I was like, oh she was in the newspaper with like a weird look on her face, but no, you love it when you're wrong, she said something that we all could picture ourselves saying, and then going oh my god, I'm sorry, gosh, it's been an incredible weekend, an incredible night, thank you so much for having us, this has been, you have been an incredible crowd, and this has been a fucking perfect show, it's really, truly, truly, it means so much to us that we get

to do this, it's obviously the most fucking fun thing in the world to do, that we get to have this as our job, we really, we're having this time of our life, we're doing things that we never thought we were going to be able to do, it's unbelievable, and we get to do it because of you guys, because of how passionate you are about this show, how you listen, how you support, and because of this community that you have built and that you are creating together, it's fucking unbelievable, oh speaking of which, Tapper's, there is a meetup after this, because there is a beer called Stay Out of the Forest that they're making, and $3 of every pint goes to end the backlog, so go, please, and so

support that, don't drive home, do not drive home, but please give $50 to end the backlog through beer tonight, it's such a weird feeling doing this in front of you guys, we usually do this staring at each other, with Steven touching his mustache, and quietly laughing at sometimes his stomach growls, so doing this is just so much fun, and it's just a weird part of our lives, and we appreciate your support so much, you guys, we are so happy to be sharing this. We're just thrilled. It's like everything, it started as this little weird nugget of me in Georgia alone in her

apartment with no air conditioning sweating, and talking about Ted Bundy, and it has bloomed into this unbelievable thing that we, it's still blowing our minds, and it's incredible, so of course, stay saved, and do God's missions, please, that's important to both of us, but more than that, stay sexy. And jump in! Bye there, God bless, thank you.