My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - MFM Minisode 27

Episode Date: May 8, 2017

On a special My Favorite Murder minisode, Karen and Georgia read stories from EMTs, first responders, and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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make sense. That's the first time I've even thought of it. Oh shit. Do we owe him royalties on the nothing we make out of it? We do for being high every time we record. That's true. So we'll just add it onto the tab. Okay. You guys know what this is, right? Hey, your hometown stories, you've emailed them to us. We don't look at them. Stephen does. Stephen does all the work. All the work. And then last week, this is how smart Stephen is because I don't think we would have remembered this at all. Last week at the Minisode, we said that we said to everyone, if you're an EMT or like a first responder or some shit or a nurse or a feck and whatever the shit, tell us your stories. We want your stories. Yeah. And then we forgot. And then just now

Stephen was like, Hey, you guys remember how you mentioned that last week? Well, I did that for you. And I was like, yes, I remember Stephen hand me the paper. And I was like, Oh, that sounds cool. Like I just had. It's a brand new idea for you. Oh my God. We should totally do that. Oh my God. I want to do that. Yeah. We're so smart. Now you can. And now we're going to. And now it's Stephen Segment entitled EMT stories. You want to go first? Sure. Okay, go. Should I just read these in order? Yeah, let's read them all. There's three. You have three. I have three. Okay, man. These are good. Unless they're bad. Stephen, you're fine. Well, I think also it's just an interesting, where it's an entree into a world. So my favorite take on things on life. My first one, the subject

line is EMT stories, no murder, though. Pass. Immediately. Immediately we're off brand, but we're also forging new grounds. It's a survivor story. You love those. Yeah. I mean, let's hope so. What if it's like no more murder and no survivors? Right. It's just a car accident. Just straight up tragedy. We might want to go into tragedy. We've done a little bit of comedy already. Let's go. Let's have a happy face, sad face, this shit. Okay, ready. Hi. My dad is a former fire chief and he had to go through EMT training when he was first starting out. When he was, this person just gets right into it. No. Hi. It's a high. There's no compliments, which I have to respect. They're just like, hi, I have PTSD. Hi. There you go.

Let me tell you this goddamn story. You asked for it. Yeah. Okay. When he was off duty, we would gather around the family dinner table and generally, and generally conversations were peppered in with what he had seen. It was always a lesson of some sort. Don't drive alone on this particular road at night. It's dangerous. Someone just got in a crash and their head came off. Oh, no. How do you like your pot roast? Finish your piece. Don't drive it with a fake license. We told the wrong parents. Their daughter was dead. That's such good advice. If you are under age and you're buying beer with a fake ID, just just remember that right before the fatal car accident. Oh my God. How angry were her parents after they find out that they're, that she's fine?

Dude. Can you imagine hearing that? And then she walks through the door and then you're like, oh my God, I'm hallucinating. What the f... I just can't get past this. It's so good. It's so bad. This is the richness of life as a first responder. Yeah. You have to tell two families that their daughter's dead. Cool. But also it's just everything is the extreme. They're not going to be it. This isn't a grocer. Like everything's going to be the story of like a, then they were hanging off a cliff. Grocers have it hard, man. Absolutely. Full respect to groceries. There's no like, there's no like, what's it called? Calls. There's no normal calls. You know what I mean? There's no like... They're all 911 calls, you mean?

No, go ahead. Keep going. Oh yeah, that's right. We're still in this. Okay. It was probably where all my anxiety slash fascination about death came from. Yeah, I bet it was. I bet you're right. My dad was the first and last fireman who participated and take your daughter to work day. Oh my God. First and last. And took me on a 24 hour shift. That's hilarious. This must have been the 80s. 24 hour shift for your daughter. Okay. Can I just say this? My father was a San Francisco fireman and every time we went to see him in the firehouse, you got to do a thing where he would like push you, hand push you up the pole so you could slide back down basically slightly taller than the average man. But we would be like, dad, let's go see where you sleep.

And you'd be like, nope. No, no. No girls allowed up there. Like he wouldn't. And I think now in retrospect, there was probably like playboy centerfolds taped up to things or... Yeah, because it was back then. I was in a... Stalled dudes. I was in a sleeping area of a firehouse once. Oh really? And went down the full pole and it was fucking terrifying. Yeah. Wait, how old are you? Uh, 30 something. This is for TV. This is fine. Then they cleaned it up for TV. Yeah, they took down that. What was I gonna say? Oh, but take your daughter to work day for 24 hours. I feel like it's more like stop asking your dad for money and appreciate what he does for a living more than show her what you do. Like it's look what I fucking do for you. Yes, for you. Have some

goddamn respect. A little respect. Okay. But respect, you don't... I mean, you don't need to like sleep at the firehouse to get the idea. Anyway, okay, but let's stop criticizing her for one second and let her tell her dad. Okay. Uh, my dad is the first and last fireman who participated in take your daughter to work day and took me on a 24 hour shift. I got to put on gear, ride in the engine, wake up every time they did. I wasn't allowed out of the truck for a few of the calls. Oh, that's a smart call. The car fire, the domestic violence call where the perpetrator was still wandering around with a knife and the woman was in critical condition. I was a 14 year old girl alone in the fire engine. Um, and a fatal car accident, which thankfully I slept through in

the engine. Um, I did get to go inside of an apartment where a man was having a seizure and peeing himself. Yeah, that's what we do. That's the okay one for you to come. Come on in and see this guy, this grown man. It's natural. Um, this is as God intended. Uh, needless to say, the department quickly realized some issues and banned the 24 hour shift with kids. My, this is so hilarious. My siblings all got to do this, but had to stay in the firehouse and only got to go on easy calls and only stayed for four hours. No murder here, but a fun tale of how parents probably mess our kids up. My kids will remember all my lessons I've learned from MFM podcast, quote, stay out of the forest, buddy up always all the time. And if you're in a cult,

you can call me, et cetera. Thanks. Thanks ladies. Leah, that's awesome. I love that one. I do too. That was so interesting. Uh, one time I was visiting, visiting my dad at the firehouse and we were sitting in the truck with like a jacket on. Like they gave us, they were giving us the whole thing. And then the bell started ringing and my dad just like pulled me out. It was just like, get the hell out of here. Like the idea of going on a run is insane to me. Yeah. Oh my God. And he doesn't have time to ask you nicely because someone's literally seconds away. Exactly. Right. If he doesn't do that, they can't mess around and be like, honey, well, you come get me to get out of the, can I daddy have his jacket back? Yeah, no, no way.

No. Get the hell out of here. Oh my God. This is fascinating. This isn't like my mom's job of property management. It wasn't a little different, a little different, a little different. Okay, I'm going to go. Ready? Yes. This is called I survived plus EMT plus they caught the, that SOB. Nice. All right. Hello ladies and Stephen. I just finished listening to your latest mini-sode and heard your call for EMT stories loud and clear. Have I got a story for you? Yeah. One of my close friends, Ashley is an EMT. She works in a part of Arizona that is rural, so it can be pretty desolate for long distances. One day her and her partner were driving on one of those, these roads when a man covered in blood runs out from the, in front of their

ambulance, they stop and proceed to get out to help the man. He could barely talk and he was speaking incoherently. They realized that his throat had been slit. Suddenly another man runs into the road and tells them that he was this man's friend and he was taking him to the hospital. Ashley realized that they came from the other road across the medium that went in the opposite direction of the hospital. Ashley told him they needed to help his friend and told her partner to stay with the man that claimed he was the friend and detained him. She took the injured man to the ambulance and started fixing him up and asked, who did this to you? The injured man pointed at the friend. Ashley then called the police and they were out there right away and

arrested the friend. I was told the two men were in fact friends or had some sort of relation. They got into a fight while driving and the one man slashed his throat. The injured man proceeded to jump out of the car and run across the road in front of the ambulance. How lucky is he that there was an ambulance there? Jesus. An ambulance was driving by and he was like, can you fix this? Hey, really quick. I have a little cut. I have a question about my throat. And the other guy was like, no, no, no, no, no, we're friends. It's fine. I take it. It's like, he's one of my closest friends. We were just doing blood brothers. He survived in the would be murderer was apprehended by police. Ashley and her partner won awards for their

efforts. Wow. Thank you for your amazing podcast and say sexy, don't get murdered, Samantha. Wow. Thanks, Samantha. So they got the golden ambulance that year. Is it a full size golden ambulance? They got a ride for a year and then you have to give it back. It's like Mary Kay, a pink Mary Kay Cadillac. It costs a lot in gas, but it's worth it. The golden ambulance. All right. This one doesn't have a subject line. Oh, it says, Hi, Karen, Georgia, Stephen and kitty cats. I couldn't help but write in after the most recent mini-sode where you chatted about EMTs. My dad retired two years after a go after 34 years working as a fire lieutenant and EMT aka general badass.

I always thought it was normal as a kid to have CPR dummies and books full of pictures of compound fractures lying around the house. Okay. Sorry. Did you have this? Yes. My mom had a book. She was studying for something. I can't, maybe she had to like renew something. I can't remember what it was, but it was this yellow book and she was a nurse. Yes. My mom was an RN. For some reason, she had this yellow book and it was all, it was like a teaching book, you know, or whatever she, whatever class she was taking or whatever, but it had these really gnarly and like a cartoon examples of things. And I remember flipping through it and then just landing and it was a guy that had just been in a car accident and that's exactly, it was like a cartoon version

of somebody with all these things wrong on him that like, I think it was like, so it's like, this is what happens to the arm when it breaks this way or whatever. But it was so intense and like over the top, it almost looked like an artist for like Mad Magazine had drawn a guy. Yeah. That's impossible. That would never have, it looks impossible. It's crazy. It was so, I wonder if this is the book she's talking about because it was like, I being a kid and just being like, watch it be frozen into my mind of like, like a just bone sticking out of places between having a mom who worked at a mental institution, a dad who was a fireman living in fucking Petaluma, like Northern California, where all the murders happen. That's right. I'm so surprised you're

alive. Oh, normal. Yes. Well, I kind of am not though. I feel like. Yeah. But you're not, you're not, I didn't have any of those things. And I think we're the same kind of crazy. Yeah, that's true. You're not like crazier than you should be living in LA and being. Well, I think there's something very strangely grounding about it. And maybe that's the murder Reno element for me is it's that thing of like, I want to see it. I just tell me what it is. Tell me what it looks like for a guy to get in a car accident and have his bone break through his arm skin. Totally. I might as well learn it now. Because I know what happens. It's going to happen. I might see it. Let's just get ready. We've had so many. I had two ex-boyfriends

die in violent car accidents and one best friend. Like there's no reason I shouldn't be interested in this. It's just like, here's what fucking happens when you don't like drink and drive. There's no looking away. Yeah. Yes. And that kind of loss, I think it's like, what else would be as interesting when you, it's like, you've seen the worst of the worst. Yeah. So you're not going to be like, Oh, I, I love dolphins. Right. Everyone's fine all the time. Yes. Everyone's going to be great. Everything's great. Not going to lose. Not going to lose everything at any moment. Repeatedly. Repeatedly. No, no, no, no, no. I'm not trying to take away. I'm not trying to one up you on shit. It's just like no wonder. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

There's a reason. There's a reason it comes from somewhere. Sorry. No, no. Okay. So books full of pictures of compound factors lying around the house and then parentheses, I guess it's not. My dad hadn't told me a lot about the worst stuff he had seen, mostly because to him, it's just doing his job. There are a few rad stories that I do remember. However, they're not really spooky, but pretty cool nonetheless. One time I was, when I was about six or seven, we were driving home from a family vacation on an otherwise nondescript and empty roadway. Badness. Let us start. Suddenly, my dad pulled the car over and ran to a mini van that had flipped and rolled in a ditch on the side of the road. Luckily, my dad always had his medic kit

in our car. So he immediately started to provide care while my mom called 911. I believe that the woman who was driving the car had been knocked unconscious and her kids were trapped in the back seat of the in the back of the car in their seats and car seats. My dad was able to get them stabilized and the first responders took over from there. I remember having to go in the trunk of the car to get him a change of clothes because he was literally covered in blood. I don't know whatever happened to that family, but I'm glad my dad was able to help them. Also, there have been multiple times where we've been eating at a restaurant, minding our business, and someone starts choking. My dad always rush calmly, rushes over and literally saves our life before I'm able

to finish my baked potato. Can you imagine having a dad that that's, he's that much of a hero and caretaker? Yeah. Yeah. Jesus. I can't imagine that. My dad's, my dad helped me put my air conditioning unit in my window. Marty! I bet Marty could do it. My mom, it was like the legendary story, so my mom worked in Santa Rosa and she would drive up the 101 to go to work and this she, for whatever she was doing this when she was wearing her nurse's whites and she saw a car accident, like she came upon a car accident as it just happened. And there was a guy, his car was like smoking and all fucked up and he was just sitting in the driver's seat. So my mom walked up to the driver's side and she was like, hi, my name's Pat Kilgariff. I'm a nurse.

I just, you've just been in an accident. Do you know your name? And she's doing like the standard stuff. He's like, yeah, no, I think I'm fine actually. It was, it was bad because I guess the truck rolled or something. It was like, but they were normal up and like he was just sitting there and he goes, and she goes, okay, do you feel like anything might be broken? You know, she's asking about this question and he goes, you're my mom and I'm the guy. And he goes, I mean, I don't know. I guess my head hurts a little bit and he turns like this. No, no, no. He's got, yep. Kind of like a unicorn. He's got a piece of glass sticking out of his forehead. So as he turns, he's like, yeah, I don't, I think I'm okay. And my mom's like, uh-huh. Okay, well,

she was like, just sit back and the, you know, the ambulance is coming. Oh, do I look in the mirror? Yeah, exactly. She said she had to not break or make any, like she just had to act like they were still chatting the way they already were. So then she turned, this is a true story. She turns around to walk back to her car and she's got blood cause she was like leaning on his side of the car. So there's blood now on the front of her nurses whites. The woman who drove carpool with our family at our grammar school, Ann Lilly is driving up the freeway and now sees my mom walking away from a car accident with blood all over the front of her and thinks my mom is wandering. And Ann Lilly was also a

nurse thinks my mom is like wandering with a head injury out of that car. So hard to drive away. Oh my God. It was, it's, it was crazy. Okay. It's comedy of errors. Is that what they call it? We're still, yes, we're still in the middle of it. We just can't get through this. I can't stop. It's personal. It's close to home. Hijacking everyone's other, it's about me. Okay. The fact that my dad worked in his field for so long seems crazy, but honestly, I don't think he could imagine doing anything else. He's a natural caretaker and I'm so proud to know that over his career, he has saved hundreds of lives and also rocked a badass mustache. Same with my dad. Okay. Yeah, you did. And same as Steven. Thank you guys for taking a minute to recognize the

efforts of EMTs. Their jobs are not the easiest, but they are certainly necessary. Say sexy and learn CPR, Jenna Kate. Do you know it? You best know it. I took, I took a CPR class. I need, I never did it. It, you should embarrass. It's actually very fun. They make it really fun. I know I need to. Yeah. It's not that hard or like involved. Yeah. It's just basically learning. A lot of the stuff they talk about is like these days, you don't have to do a lot of CPR yourself because almost everywhere you go and then you start noticing it, there's those things that are everywhere. Yeah. The sign that how tos. The, um, well, there's like a little thing that when you pull it, there's like an electrical, I think they're like, oftentimes you see them like the next time

I saw one was at an airport. I'm going to notice, but it's like a thing where you can basically go, you know, when they go clear and yeah, you, they have these things sitting around where you can do that for people if they've just had a heart attack. Holy fuck. Don't do that to me. Okay. Let's try it. Even if you had a heart attack. Yeah, go ahead. Okay. Okay. Cause you might need it. You know what? Do it. Okay. Even if you didn't have a heart attack. I changed my mind. Yeah. Okay. Just do what I'm sleeping. Great. Just for fun and just see what you like. Did you dream anything different? Yeah. Did I like no to wake up and punch you or did I like freak out? Like, how do I react? Right? Exactly. Or did it just like solve your allergies? Oh my god. And then

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As an EMT of five years, there's something therapeutic and having open conversations about the horrific things that happen every day. We aren't normally encouraged to spill the gory beans and I've got and I got so excited when you guys started talking about EMTs and other first responders. You were absolutely right that when you said that PTSD is abundant in the field, but believe it or not, it's not really talked about at all. We're only we've only recently discovered just how big of a problem it is. I only worked for a little over four years and have been out for six, but I still have lasting psychological effects such as nightmares, anxiety and occasional bounce of agoraphobia. Yeah. Wow. If you're listening to this letter and you're an EMT who is

struggling with such issues, I want to tell you that therapy is monumentally helpful and there's no shame in talking to somebody about it. Just do it. You'll feel better. Nice. And then it says any who murder. I love it. Well done. That's great. Let's get to the murder. On this particular night, my partner and I worked the third shift. We were to get off work at four AM and it was just before three. So we were right in that window of, please don't let us get a call because it would almost assure us that we'd get off late and we were already, we'd already been working for 13 hours. Holy shit. I was ready to go home, but it was not to be. We received a call from an, for an unknown problem when we arrived at the poorly lit apartment complex. Sorry. Can I just

say what can you imagine where your job is? Like go be the first person to show up at the unknown problem. Go see what that what's happening. Yeah. We're not sure. We don't know. You find out and tell us. Yeah. That would just be like, no, I hadn't even thought about that. It's crazy. And you're like, we have a basic address and that's it. Yeah. And we don't know what. Go see what, tell us what you find. Good luck. Good luck. Bye. Good luck. And save people's lives. Yes. Well, you're right. Yeah. Keep your cool. No matter what, no matter how many weird pinatas are hanging from the ceiling. Our glass is sticking out of people's foreheads. Jesus. I love that story. Okay. When we arrived at the poorly lit apartment complex, there was a police officer

in the distance casually waving us in with his flashlight. He looked like he was directing traffic. That's how excited he was. Definitely bullshit, I thought. So we parked on the street just outside the parking lot and get out of the rig pretty slowly. A light rain had just started to fall. If you want to see somebody who is un... If you want to see somebody who is unenthused, that's the word, send a pair of EMTs out in the rain at 4 a.m. So don't, you guys don't get murdered at 4 a.m. on a rainy night. I mean, they just won't care. Or choke. Or choke. So we strode in this parking lot to find another officer. He doesn't look amused either. An officer who looks amused. That would be a bummer. Yeah. When we ask him what's up, he proceeds to be in his flashlight

between two parked cars. There is an extremely bloody man. His lower body is under one of the cars and his upper body is exposed. He isn't moving. Of course, we get total what the fuck face. And as we're about to ask the officer as much, he says, you've also got one between these two cars and one between these two cars as he points them out. There are three very bloody, very dead looking guys. What? Yeah. I don't know. Wait, is this the beginning of the movie seven? What is that? It's something totally different, though. It's like, what's the theme of that one? Cars. It's cars, the movie cars and seven mashup. So it's an animated seven? Yes. Great. Someone make that for me. Now I'm awake. My adrenaline is up. Yeah. My adrenaline is up and my eyes have adjusted to

the shitty lighting in the parking lot and I'm getting the whole picture. God, adrenaline, man. There are three men who have been stabbed, each of them between parked cars. The cars themselves are covered in blood. It looks like a scene out of a low rent horror movie. It's my partner and I, the local fire station had yet to arrive. My partner looks at me wide eyed and says, just pick one and off we go. Like the world's worst relay race. Oh, honey. Right. Each victim was stabbed at least 10 times in the chest and abdomen. At this point, we're just triaging. Tri-egg? Tri-egg. Tri-egg. Thank you. Dead or alive, I expected dead, but all of them worked alive and talking. What? My partner is all over the radio,

calling in whatever help we could get and we're basically patching holes. Okay. Okay. I need to know so much about what the fuck is going on. I do too. Long story short. Here we go. Other trucks arrive and we're just swapping empty stretchers for ones with patients. We had every patient off the scene alive and on the way to the hospital in less than eight minutes from our arrival. Wow. Wow. Get off early, man. Hey. We actually received written commendations. Commendations? For how one below a golden ambulance. It's a pat on the back. The golden pat on the back. For how quickly we acted and my partner's awesomely cool head under pressure. If it sounds like I'm bragging, it's because I totally am.

Thanks. Unfortunately, one guy died and went to the hospital and one died in the ER. One did make it to the OR where they discovered that part of his head, heart, was actually severed from the rest. What? I don't know how he was alive and talking to me. He also died. Oh, no. Sorry. I don't know how to end the story in a way that doesn't, that wasn't a super down note. Well, I mean, we relate. But here's the problem I see in this letter. We never really found out what happened. No. How in between like three men in between three cars. Did they wait there? Did they run away up away? But the cars were bloody. So they all fell at that same spot. But in between. So did they see each other? Did they stab each other? Did three people stab each? Did everyone get their own

attacker? Yeah. Was it one? Because I immediately pictured one attacker. Yeah. But like, why would the third guy just wait where he was if he saw his two buddies? It says never again, do we roll our eyes and no call. Stay sexy, don't get stabbed, Mitch from Charlotte, North Carolina. Mitch. I mean, that was good. Yeah. And that's, it's that thing of like, that's the, that's what that job is, is like, you go in for the worst part and then that's it. Like, you don't. Yeah. I'd want to know. You go in for, you don't get explanations. You just have to go take care of business when everyone's been stabbed 10 times. You can't just be like, Hey, nurse, remember that time I brought in three guys who hadn't stabbed and one of his, his heart was,

can we only do hometown EMTs or first responders from now on? I mean, I wouldn't mind it. That just made me think of, so I already said this, but Dave's wire, who is our family friend, started as an EMT. Now he's a San Francisco fireman, but he, we were at a wedding once and he was on one side of my sister and I, and then Jeff Newburger, who was our neighbor growing up, who also was an EMT, but he was an EMT in like somewhere fancy in Marin County. And they were swapping EMT stories. And Dave told a horrible story of somebody that tried to run across the freeway that ended very poorly. And he was like, he, it was, it was, of course, I was like, uh-huh, tell me whatever. And my sister was like, what's wrong with you? No, I want an,

I want to be sitting there. Right. But then Jeff, he finishes that story. Then Jeff goes, yeah, I'm in Marin County. So like, we just got like, you know, we get called when people have hurt feelings. Depending on where you live. Yeah. It's like, it's an okay, you know, it's like stressful. I mean, I just can't imagine. Send us more. By you, I mean the podcast, of course. I'll say it on the podcast. Because I'm a monster. Send us more first responder stories. Yeah, those are great. Put that put, yeah, put first responder EMT story in the subject. And Steven will then know to remind us that we do this. And thanks for writing those in. Stay sexy. Don't get murdered. Bye.