New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelce - Julian Edelman on His Brady Relationship, Being Scared of Belichick and Randy Moss' Hot Tub | EP 49

Episode Date: July 19, 2023

92%ers we are back with another episode of New Heights presented by our friends at Buffalo Wild Wings. For a limited time, head to BDubs and get some wings with their new sauces, General Tso and Sweet Chile Lime. They won’t be around forever so get ‘em while supplies last. In this episode, we are joined by former New England Patriot, three-time Super Bowl Champion, and Super Bowl MVP Julian Edelman!  Watch the full video on our YouTube Channel https://youtu.be/aw6LGABJySE We discuss everything from how he’s handling retirement (02:00), why Gronk is a football Rain Man (7:00), the specifics of how Randy Moss likes his hot tub (11:00), the secret of Bill Belichick’s coaching (24:11), and how playing QB for Kent State helped him become an NFL WR (35:20). We also get into how he earned Tom Brady’s trust (01:06:40), why Ray Lewis practiced in flip flops (01:11:57), if Patrick Mahomes has just the right amount of nerd in him (01:15:00), his thoughts on the current Patriots (01:20:15), and if he belongs in the Hall of Fame (01:29:25).   As always, watch and listen to new episodes of New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelce every Wednesday & check us out on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik Tok for all the best moments from the show.  Watch and listen to new episodes of New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelce every Wednesday during the NFL season & check us out on Instagram, Twitter and TikTok for all the best moments from the show. Support the Show:   Merch - https://homage.com/newheights Buffalo Wild Wings - For a limited time, head to BDubs and get some wings with their new sauces, General Tso and Sweet Chile Lime. They won’t be around forever so get ‘em while supplies last. SEAT GEEK: Get 15% OFF NFL Tickets https://seatgeek.onelink.me/Matg/NEWHEIGHTS2023 $50 max discount AG1 - Try AG1 and get a FREE 1-year supply of Vitamin D AND 5 free AG1 Travel Packs with your first purchase. Go to https://drinkAG1.com/NEWHEIGHTS ACCELERATOR ACTIVE ENERGY: Available nationwide at Target or visit https://ashoc.com/ to find the store nearest you  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What are your first impressions of Tom Brady? Dude's handsome. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Welcome back to new heights ladies and gentlemen presented by Wave Sports Entertainment brought to you by our friends at Buffalo Wild Wing. Hey, BW3's for a limited time. Check out their new sauces. General so with a tea and a sweet chili lime. They won't be around forever, so get them while the supplies last. We are your host, I'm Travis Kelsey, my big brother, Jason Kelsey, subscribe on YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts. Follow the show on social media at new heights show with 1S. This is a special episode, ladies and gentlemen. That's right.

Our guest today is seventh round pick out of Kent State. He's third all time in postseason receptions. I am. He has one of six players in NFL history to have two 100 yard receiving games in a Super Bowl. I am. And he is, of course, a three time Super Bowl champion. Our guest is Super Bowl MVP.

Oh, Mr. Julian Edelman, baby. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Ha, ha, ha. What a intro. What a intro. I'm very, very, very, very. Hurry him up, hurry him up. I used to be two until this fucking, this guy who plays

Tyden, like a receiver, but I'll just come block. Like, he just passed me this dude. I don't know who you, what's this, yeah. Rob, Grand Cowsky? No, no. No, no, Rob. Some other, some other, it's, I can't read just kind of like you. Shut up, pat my home, baby, good luck, pat my home.

No, it's good to be here, man. Thanks for having me. No, we're on the same dog. You already know, man. You already know, we're gonna get you guys. You guys are doing good things, big things. Thanks, brother. Big things. What's new in life of you and element? She's retirement life. How's that?

Good and bad and fun and boring. It's like everything. For one. It's a world win. How's that good and bad and fun and boring? It's like everything. It's a world win. You know, I was I was talking to tribe before I was like, you know You miss when you could say no to things because you had a set schedule all the time because you have organized team activities You got many camps and you got so busy so busy can't go to your wedding can't do this now. I have to go to weddings You have to come on have to go to weddings. I have to go to pot. You know what I mean? It's awesome. You know, I'm getting a lot more time with my family, my little girl. Can you say just move back out to California? I moved back out here to be with her. As you guys know, you sacrifice so much family time, friend time, so many things when you're living out your career

and your dream that as soon as you retire you're gonna see like you gotta make up some time for all the birthdays you miss. Something that puts the, you know, the that. So for sure. Doing that and then doing TV stuff, had a contract year last year. So in the talks with some potential,

you see what we got going here on. I don't know if I'm like about saying anything podcast games with names. Yeah, you know getting that world like you guys Got a production company. Did you lie to Ziko's production? Super digital you're getting into a new dog He's lying right here. He's he likes it. I tell you what's a good looking I mean Rocky Philly. I mean, we know how I didn't know that's what it was. I always just got that smell like food. I'm gonna bake him bit. We always get to this first. It's one of the things we do every show. We get new news. But we have every guest give us there. New news is a segment and

we jump it off by saying new news. It's a true the guest. You say new news. Well, how do I do it? New news. Yeah, well, that would work. It would. New news. Nice. I like that. I think that. You just jumped them other fucking off right there.

He's a pro. He's a pro. We're just new. You just brought up games and names. Games and names. You're coming up with season two coming up? Season two is coming up. One of the big games, can you like preview any

that you're kind of looking forward to getting new? We, not quite yet. Okay. We're still working on that whole situation. I got a couple Philadelphia games. I'm gonna need you to come on in a couple chief games. I'm gonna need you to come on. Say no more baby. We need the Kelsey Bull maybe both.

Okay. Let's do it. We've only had two. We had Eli and Brusky for the 18-in-1. We had both sides to win in the loser. It's tough to ask them when come on, talk about a losing game. Yeah. You know, so I wasn't gonna ask you that.

I was gonna have him ask you that. That's a smart man, smart man. Since you said, yeah, Kelsey Bull, yeah, we got the Kelsey Bull. All right, that's all. Kelsey Bull. Get that thing turned up. Yeah. Travis is called being a podcaster, the hardest job.

So what is it? I think this is when we first started. Yeah, no. All right. Well, that's due as I have to read. What's what is podcasting harder than being a world class receiver? One of the best postseason receivers of all time? Yeah. I mean, because like we we're comfortable in that environment.

One other. Now we got to like you got a carry time. We got shot clocks. You got to get to certain points, you got to make people that know about the subject, understand the subject while entertaining the people that know the subject and keep them entertained. Like it's a whole lot of it's an art and you know you definitely respect all the people that are on TV and you look at like the how-cow and cowards and you look at like the gym rooms and all these people like when you're tire you may not agree with what they say but you're like these people are pre-talented they know it the first shot out of talk yeah you know I mean you gain a new perspective

and respect for the craft for sure 100% yeah we had an income through here Shannon Sharp him in here exactly sitting right where you were and you I was all ears man you talk about a guy that is that is just buttoned up in that world and made the transition. It was eye opening just to hear how he goes through some things because you would think he's thinking of all this the night before, everything. He's just like, now give me everything day up so I can just rip it. I was like, I'm just like,

he said he gets to run down the night before but he goes over most of their day of. He wants it to be authentic. That's the thing. My mind doesn't work with it. I gotta prepare. I gotta go. Like, you're better off the cuff too.

I gotta read it ahead otherwise I won't be, I'll feel out of sync. I treated it like my, like, when I was playing, like I have to have a routine. I gotta do like a pre-game. Like I would get to the studios when I'm doing inside the NFL and I would be like the first guy there. I just wanna feel out the people,

talk to the couple of the camera guys, get what they're saying, the people that are around New York. You wanna get perspective, you jump all that in, and then with all the stuff you're preparing for. And then as it went on more and more, I was like, man, I kind of over-prepared too much, and then a couple of times I wouldn't prepare as much, and then you just, it rips, it becomes more authentic like Shannon does.

So that's like the key, whatever works for whatever. Okay. You do just mention kind of relating it back to your playing days. Gronk was on the show and he talks all the time about how he never watches. He never watched any film apparently. Is that the Patriot way? No. No.

Gronk played so much. I mean, they can only do three things, like four things. Yeah. To him, I mean, too high where he's bending it or it's single high where he's staining up the scene and then blow it up. Stoppable. You know, he was the crazy thing about Grunk is Grunk's low key like rainman. Two, Dodd. Like andk's low key like Rainman. Dude, I can see it.

Throw numbers out there. Gronk knows numbers real well. When the coach would get on him early in his career and like, he never made that mistake again. Like his football knowledge is like outrageous. So if it, he does, sees it once and he does it, it's there for good. And that's just how he was.

He was like a savant when it came to like, fucking rain man. Definitely. You throw out like contract numbers. I would walk by the hallway, like yeah, what's the square root of like a 1022? He'd like 64 or whatever. I'd be like, what?

Does he ever been to the casino with him? I tried to bring him once. He can't hide him. Everyone comes up to him. Yeah. Right on it. It wouldn't be good with the iron sky. I got, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I like you guys all played with that in New England. It was like the only way that you made the team as if you played for the guy next to you. Yeah, when he came on the show,

I think that was one of the bigger things. Even just talking, you get that right away. Yeah. There's a perception I feel like of Grog, where he's like the big dumb jock, I feel like. Like he's got the New York accent. He ran people over, but like you actually sit down and talk to him as like, man, this dude's like,

he's flanking. Yeah, he's flanking. He's flanking. Flanking. He ain't flanking. He's flanking. He's flanking. He ain't flanking. He's going right to your face. He is. Yeah, that's all manpower right there.

I remember his rookie year. Remember Kevin Van Abosch? Yeah. Of course. He ended his career. You remember the little toss crack? It was early when the toss crack was coming. You were, you'd come in, you sneak him.

Now everyone knows the toss crack. Yeah. Well, the Titans come from outside, here comes. Titan comes in, it comes down on Van Abosch, breaks his neck. Van Abosch was getting all up in them, the all game, like, hey, puppy, I'm coming after you, and like, grandkids, so I mean, like, that was it. And Van Abosch just got paid, like, a boatload of money.

He was like the man for that time, it was 2010, so. Just when he's in Detroit. Yeah. Yeah. It was crazy. He just came down. Yeah. He was like a intimidating player on the field. He had like red eyes or something like that, right? Yes. Then you know, like a special context. I think it's before. I don't think you ever played Van Abust in.

Nope. Yeah. Well, he was crazy. I think I don't know if he ended it but he broke his neck or back that that game It was crazy because it was like he was a monster. He was a monster You had to game plan for a guy like him all week We've been talking this Vandabosh guy can ruin the fucking day. We got to get him blocked And grunt goes in fuck knocks him out out of the game That's a good way to damn I love football back in the day man. We can't do that stuff Can't do anything can't do any of. You still crack blocking. You can now.

It's what they know it's coming now. No, no, no. You know, like, you can get to your point anytime you hit somebody in the head. It's it can be like a, uh, there, he's in the center of the player. Yeah. The fence is player. They're soft like the crack back rule.

Even when you're going in for the force, like if you're coming to get the safety, we got to talk about this because we're watching highlights. Getting ready for this. You got for as I'm the human, for you to work. You are the toughest son of the bitch I've ever seen play football. You took some fucking hits.

You were out there getting, dude, but willingly. Like not even a shred of doubt, I'm going up getting this ball, I know what's happening. Like, you turn on your highlights, you are taking shots. I mean, someone's got it. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Oh yeah, so that was my job. And that's how I made my

opportunity. I had to be fearless going across the middle and I had to do the dirty work a lot. I'm digging out the force in New England. That's what the expect of that that guy in that position. You know guy like I move me to F Z X make me versatile but like come to get to another level, because I mean, I would assume like kind of Welker was Troy. It started with Troy Brown. Troy Brown was in the Zee and then Welker kind of magnified it and did what Welker was like

one of the best route runners I've ever seen. Like the first couple years when I was with him, I was like, this dude's a fucking monster. He was so small and so quick, even on a press coverage, he could get like four steps in, and he'd be doing his head shit. He could get guys to turn their hips and just pop up and get in.

Like his release came and his routes. They were fucking sick. And honestly, it was a huge part of how I got to learn the position. I came in playing quarterback. So I got to watch him and I got to take tidbits from fucking Randy Moss, Joey Galloway, like all these guys and he meant to.

He looked like Randy Tony, just be bigger and faster than everybody and jump up. I guess I was like, I just remember Randy, how he do, hey do, hey do, hey, he used to call me Edelnut. Edelnut. Hey Edelnut, get my hot tub about 103 and get my gatorade. That's where we used to have the metal tubs. Yes.

You know, you have metal tubs and hot tub. Yes. You never wanted to go on the regular hot tub. You had to have his own shit with the look. You had to have this, it was like menthol, rubbing alcohol in there. Fuck you. So, Eddie, go, Edelna, go get my towel, my gatorade,

and make that hot tub about 103, 102, don't fuck it up. It's one time. What a lester. Yes, sir. It's one time, Randy. It was like the day before Christmas, and we had to work, we had a game on Christmas or something, and Randy was talking to his mom,

and I just walked by, I was like, hey, Randy, tell my mom, I'm a mom, so I said, you know, Merry Christmas, and he goes, Edelman, when I'm talking to my mother, fucking mom, you shut the fuck up. Ah! Ah! Ah!

Ah! I literally went like this. I looked at, and I fucking just, I walked away, and I contacted, I was so scared, I was a rookie. He's like, don't you fucking talk to me, when I'm talking to my mom. Ah!

But he'd always love me up too, you know? Of course, yeah. Yeah. But like you could learn things from him, like how he tracked the ball, like, like it one on ones, he would sit and run it and it looked like he wouldn't run and, and the ball would come and we all know that the DBs play hands. Yeah. You throw your hands out there. DBs are going to try to come through. Yeah. He would just run and the ball will come right there and he just, boop, and just pop his little hands out the last second, so you could take things from anyone, especially as a route runner.

Was Wilker, did he hope you out there out running on the level of stuff? Or was it more just watching him do it? Watching. I love Wilk to death, but he was the asshole older brother. I was there to take his job and he was there to. Well, that ended up happening when he got hurt. Right?

He kind of got hurt. I know what an asshole older brother is, man, that is. It's a tough position to be in as the younger brother. I feel like I can be way more of an asshole. Oh, you thought I was talking about you. Yeah. When you're a professional athlete and you're a young guy trying to come in, yeah, you asked a question. Sometimes guys are like, dude, just watch a fucking tape.

You know what I mean? I was trying to be a sponge. That was the last time I asked him a question. But I learned so much just from taking dental reps while watching him like on one-on-ones and then my third year in I had to cover him. So I knew all his routes and shit Oh my god playing DB a little bit. So I would always just hold them. I knew it was fucking me It was fun. There's no fish was out there in practice DB's know that they always hold in practice. Yeah, fucking Kill every team every team and fucking the entire league has red gloves every time they play us man. Fucking dammit. We're just red jerseys. It's harder to see the hold.

Bill used to fuck that. Do you think that's a strategy? 1,000 per cent? No, you used to make us. Really? I would wear red gloves and I got a hold. You're telling me I need to be wearing gloves of the team I'm playing. 100. What? They can't see it. They can't see the pull. Why have I never thought about this? I got a holding call once. They were wearing white jerseys and I always wore red gloves, all reds. I got like a holding his, you see fucking red gloves over here? Me and Ernie can see that from the fucking press box. And then he gives you some real pre-adonta shit right there. Yeah, but it just got to be different. Yeah, I got them in the visual.

35 to 4. Jesus. No, but he's not missing an opportunity. He's got Ninkovitch all the time about that. Ninkov, what? Yeah. What color? No, Canon.

I just have to say, Ninkovitch didn't wear gloves. Now, he wore gloves. He wore those, the Lime and Glove.. Now he wore gloves, he wore the lining glove. Oh nice. Oh yeah. He tried to. When you were getting towards the end of your career, back to the Walker thing, was there somebody

that you was coming up? Yeah, were you trying to help him? Or were you welcome? No, I was welcome. Welcome. What? We had, we were cool, but like, you know, whatever. But I did remember that, like when Jacobi Myers came up,

you know, he was, I was around him. I remember those days. Yeah. And so I, I was at the point where like, I was confident in my abilities. So like, I'll give him everything I knew. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because when you're done with the game, the only thing that goes on forever is the knowledge that you give other guys. I'm with you. You know what I mean? So that's kind of something that like, I remember that there was, of course some younger guys that are like slap dicks that you're like, ah, I think we're for the guys that are genuinely trying to get better.

They're trying to get better. Like it's only putting the work in. Yeah. You know, Iron Sharper and Iron, the better the, the 53rd guy is, the better the team is. Yeah, no doubt. That's the picture way right there. That is. That's the picture way. What is the picture way We were there. That is. That's the picture.

What is the picture way? We asked Grong, this. What Grong say? I think he said, basically, I don't want to butcher it. A paraphrase. This isn't, this isn't the whole word. Do your job on selfish. I think that's pretty true.

I'm pretty sure you're on point with it. You didn't make it seem like it was like the most complicated thing ever. No, it's not, but I think it's pretty true. I'm pretty sure you're on point with it. You didn't make it seem like it was like the most complicated thing ever. No, it's not, but I think it comes from, Bill puts a template in place. This is how it's supposed to be done. You see him in a meeting, he's gonna mother fuck everyone. He makes everyone accountable.

Doesn't matter how many years you have, how many super bowl rings you have, what your stats are, who you are, what school you went to. He doesn't give a fuck. He just wants to get better. He's gonna coach the coach. And so like the best players on the team or like the older players on the team, I think the Patriot way is those guys working their dicks off,

working their asses off, being the first ones in, the last ones out, the Teddy Brusky, and I was a rookie in organized team activities, fucking doing scout team punt. You know, like that, because if the 53rd guy or the 90th guy and sees Teddy Bruski running down, giving stab technique on punt, you can't not do it. Right. Then everyone's on egg shells all the time.

Yeah. Yeah. So I think it's just a form of like people being accountable, your best players working their hardest, putting the team first, there was always a sign in the facility that said, mental toughness, it's doing what's best for the team when it's not necessarily best for you. And that's kind of, that's it.

That's it. You need to have your best players acting that way. No doubt. Tom Brady. This guy's first one in, last one out, working. This guy got a quarterback coach, and he's 38 years old He's got four or five super bulls already at the time and he's flying them out in the by week

You know to get reps with them like that's what you want to see is you guys always constantly learning guys never satisfied Yeah, and that's kind of what I think the Patriot way we talk about that shit It becomes a thing when you win what six-hour bulls or. Yeah, I got three. Well, yeah. I hope I can get three. You're knocking on that door. You guys can do it this year too. Well, he's got a ton. I mean, you guys got an easy road there. The AFC is crazy right now. We play the AFC East this year. We actually got a tough con, tough schedule, but the NFC's got an easy road, no doubt about it. It's his quarter. All the quarterbacks from the AC right now. Yeah, in Sephir 1,

J.E.R.S. That's a good one to have. That is a good one. I'll take it. He's got paid. He did. Yeah. Is it a team friendly deal? How do you do this? I swear everyone's paid. Yeah. You guys are drafting like top six, getting the guy from Georgia and shit. And this has been my whole career. I feel like he's always been a master and understand the cap and how to understand what's gonna happen down the road. The COVID year was a little bit of a wild car

because I was such a different year for the cap. But those guys at all times know how to do it, know how to manipulate it. Jaylon's contract, I don't think it's not like team for him. It's like both parties friendly. Like he's still getting paid, but like this year's hit is not high. It's a low cap hit this year.

What did they give him a bunch of signing bonus? He plays for like a million bucks on like as salary. Exactly. And they pro rated at that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's like kicking the game. I can't see how other teams do it.

I don't know why other teams don't do it either. I do know that how he when he was in college, he did like his thesis on the NFL salary cap. So like he's been like doing this for a while. Roseman. Yeah. Jiu. Off the fifth.

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That's mom. Yeah man. She should be for what she had to put up with. I can only imagine in age years with you guys. The amount of milk in the amount of calm everywhere. Just calm everywhere. Oh, yeah. Stealing girl. Don't you dare bring a black light around the Kelsey household boy. I'm just saying teenage boys that they never took one of them black lights right over the keyboard They came out with that one show on MTV where they would like raid somebody's room like I hope they never hit mine

Applying for that show Through Raiders oh my God Show Let's see what this black line is doing. That's what I'm doing. Oh my God. It's on the ceiling. Never fake.

How? How? It's the lag tight. I just went to morning caves. Oh my daughter, that's why I have that. That's why you got the stalactite? Yes kids, kids. We're thinking like kids.

Kids. Kid, kids. Kid friendly show. Kid friendly show. But yeah, Oh, my baby. Oh, my baby. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. New Heights is brought to you by Buffalo Wild Wings Trap.

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Last year we had the most electrifying play of arguably the NFL Patriot Roulette against the Raiders. Yeah. We're a mega thing. That's a weak thing, the rigging rig. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm talking about with Jacobi, the lateral lid on the, on the chicken,

the rod and the game. When you saw that, trying to go to overtime, did you like put yourself in that team meeting the next month, that Monday or Tuesday on what Bill was gonna say to the team? Like what did you think about it? What you saw that right in the moment? See, that's where Bill doesn about what you saw that right in the moment?

See that's where Bill doesn't get you. Oh really? Bill, he knows how to read the room. Like he's gonna cut you down when you blow a team out. Gotcha. When there's a devastating loss and you guys are on a couple games skid, it's probably one of those, those, those Monday morning meetings where like guys we did enough to win the game, but we lost it.

Let's move on from this price short. Let's move on to the next game. Like he's he's he's he's pretty good at that when we were in like shitty situations or like we weren't playing well or if it was like a loss in December or yeah or like late November where you're trying to get on your street you're trying to get going like that's when know, we weren't having state of the union. State of the union is usually where after like blowout wins or, you know, wins were we thought we were doing well. Bring you back down to work felt real good.

Hey, we still got to improve here. We still got a ways to go. Yeah, yeah. That's kind of what makes sense. That's makes sense. Like I'm sure there was a little motherfucking of the coach who's probably got motherfuck. Yeah, right.

I mean, I've never been in those meetings, but I've heard that... Just pretty brutal. He keeps everybody accountable. Everyone. Yeah. Yeah, everyone. I was fucking pissed off. It was so weird.

What the... He ran on the... The... Eight and a half under over... He ran on it and that would have been nine games I'm sitting here. I was at the game. Yeah, I had a cup cocktail. I was in a denim I was in a denim Dan fucking Canadian tuxedo. We should have enough time my life with the raider fans talking shit Oh, we all the sudden we throw fucking the annexation of Puerto Rico

Oh, we all the sudden we throw fucking annexation of Puerto Rico I was so what was your first thought on the first lateral like what do like I just remember See what the hell is going on. I think he was just stunned I think there's no way that was that was not in the game plan It was definitely getting into play not but just saying but who in their mind at that moment I'm gonna ladder like I just I was definitely getting in the play. Not just saying. But who in their mind at that moment, I'm gonna ladder. I just I was time was on the clock. It was the last play. They were just trying to like last play. I think there's a chance over time. Over time. Yes. I mean, maybe there's a chance you get up and out. You know, that was the crazy thing to me last year with the Pats, the situational football. That's what we usually had a premium right. Yeah Yeah. That's what Bill's known for for sure

And you know like I think against you guys have felt like a lot of the time especially early on in my career You guys were just controlling the game because of those situations without a doubt When they were ahead of the game too was some of the things that they would do they can build new the rules better than anybody And he would have these plans in his head for weird situations that would arise Dude, I remember like you know the free kick situation where like the last play of the half. I've swear to God, we practiced that 12 years career. Every fucking Friday has never come up.

Never come up once. As it comes, it's like 1986. But we practiced that situation just in case we want to line up for the free kick before the half. It's crazy. And then there's a lot of times where, you're like, why the fuck are we practicing this stupid

ass situation? And it comes up in the game and it ends up handling out like what he said it was gonna handle out. And you just sit back and like, this guy's pretty fucking awesome. I guess that's why we do it. He's pretty smart. That's the legend there.

Against you guys, you just wanted to keep it close. You know, he's keep it close. I did not want to keep it close. What is that? Was that being mean? Give yourself a chance to have a chance? A chance. Chance that the enemy? Give yourself a chance to have a chance? A chance.

Yeah. Chance, baby. Just give me a chance to have a chance. Keep it close to the end. You heard it DC. Let's rewind a little bit. No, I don't know where we are right now. We're not on the script at all.

I'm not on the conversation. I do get a, we're both from Ohio. You went to Kent State, quarterback. First of all, can't read, can't write, can't stay. Yeah. Say it right, baby. How in the hell is that? You used to fly around on that campus as kids all the time.

Yup, we played Heights, right? Cleveland State. You remember your twin sons? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's me. I heard they got weak now though, the Galley boy. That was like prime burger. I have not heard it sold on a while. Come on, Swenson, you can't be doing this.

I hear there's a place in Akron that's doing way better. What's going on? The 440. How did you end up in Calda? I went to Juco. I was a Juco guy at a high school. Where'd you play Juco? College of San Mateo.

Nothing about us. Yeah, it's in the Bay Area where I just like 10 minutes from where I grew up. There's a lot of good during your college football in the Bay Area. And there was a connection somehow to the Kent? No. I was a qualifier at a high school. I took the SATs.

I had pretty good grades. Just didn't get recruited. Yeah. And then played quarterback at CSM and lit it up. There's a couple of schools that called. And a lot of schools wanted me to like change positions. And they didn't have a scholarship. They wanted me to stay one more year and Kent came out.

And they said, hey, we'll let you compete for our job right now. And I went over and watched a spring practice. Went to Ohio as a California kid was spiky hair. Spring, it was snowing. I'm like, I could probably start here right now. So I got this. I got a little good action, baby. It was awesome.

I loved Ohio, man. Salty the earth, people. Yep. It was crazy to me because I, man. Salty the earth people. It was crazy to me, because I grew up in like a crazy melting pot. Like in the Bay Area, you have everything. I went to Ohio, there's only white and black people. Yeah. Everyone drives American made cars.

Yep, they're up in the front. Never seen that in my life. Everywhere. It was like a crazy culture shock. And like the people were just like blue collar people that were agnind of fives loved coming home to watch Ohio State or the Cleveland and like the people were just like blue collar people that were nine to five, loved coming home to watch Ohio State or the Cleveland Browns or the Commander,

what are they? The Guardians. Guardians, yeah, yeah. You know, I don't know what that is. That's a Cleveland thing. Yeah, just like salted the earth people and like I had a lot of great relationships and I still stay in contact with a lot of people

from Northeast Ohio, I love it. Yeah, there's something about Ohio that, I mean, you just summed it up. Yeah, we're lucky to be from there. It's boring. Don't get me wrong. Well, now you're losing. You didn't have a yeah, you didn't have any fun up there. I had a lot of fun.

Didn't have any fun over there. Kent State. I had a lot of fun. I had a lot of fun, but like there's only so many times I can go to rock knees. I can only go to rock knees so many times for the wedge pride. All right, you know, like, no Mexican food. I'm from California. I didn't even have no way to go.

There's definitely not Mexicans. There's none. It was cool. It was just different fun that I was used to. Yeah. You know, I was just going like the skate park and shit. Like, out there, you go like cow-tip eating shit. Yeah.

Playing cards. Candescoe, Ohio with break, Callahan, break pads. Yeah, man. Did you ever go to see the point up in Sandus? I did. I went to Sandus. I went to the point. We used to do that once a summer after summer

workout, the whole team. Dude, it's GovRyzen roller coasters. That's GovRyzen roller coasters and our tank tops. And you're all shredded up. Steve, leave it here. Leave it here. Well, you get selected by the Patriots. Yeah.

Did you know you were going to be a receiver from the moment they picked you? Yeah, but you were saying you were playing a little DB. Was there a question on which side of the ball you were going to play? No, I mean, I started training over in Euclid, Ohio over at a speed train. You're playing sports playing, baby. Yeah, you already know. You were in there. We went there.

Yeah, every day. That's where I trained for my combine or for my pro day. Oh, way. Yeah. Did you get asked to take steroids in there because guarantee those things were going around in that place. You know, like so during the day. Why do we get over it? We were in kids. I mean, you want to start it. So I'm saying during the day, you saw the bodybuilders come. Yeah. No. The one in the railroad tracks. Yeah. I didn't see anyone that was in a football player there. Yeah, I agree.

I don't remember the body, it does. I'm missing this. I used to go up there for like, A U-turners because they had the big court right there. Yeah, they have much of a court. Yes. And then a grass field inside, maybe. Indoor soccer.

To your take me back right now. Yeah. So I went out there and Charlie Frye, he was the starting quarterback for the Browns for a little bit. And then he was the Raiders at the time. He saw me running around, he saw me training, and he's like, yo, I'm gonna go to Akron, Tuesdays and Thursdays, why don't you come with me

and need some of the throedos? I did not run around, so anything. And so like, he kind of coached me up, and he would come throw up my workouts and shit. He would come when a team was gonna work me out, he'd come to Kent and come throw to me, so we'd be dialed up and shit. And so I didn't know.

I got worked out by the Steelers as a DB, a safety. The Patriots sent out. It's a ball player, man. It's just a ball player. The Patriots actually sent, I even fears out the running bat coach first and they worked me out as a running back and then they sent over Scott O'Brien, who was the Spanish team's member, Scotty O.

Yeah, of course. Yeah. So they brought him out to see if I could catch kicks and punts and then then they sent out Chateo or someone else to see if I could catch a ball. And so they worked me out three times. That's like not really heard of. I mean, and all other teams are kind of just working me out

as a receiver and athlete. And that was the year. The Wildcat was like huge. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because in 2008, yeah, with Ronnie Brown and Cat like huge. Yeah, you know what I mean? Cause in 2008, Miami, yeah, with Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams. Yeah, who I think so. No, they went to the same college as Ronnie Brown.

And Ricky, Ricky Williams. Ricky Williams. He just came back from his hiatus. Yeah. I'm happy. Which is crazy because that would have never happened now. Like what would, I don't know whatever, but yeah. So I was, I had everyone this, I was on everyone's radar because that,

I mean, I ran for like 1500 yards in my senior year and I threw for like almost 2000. So like I was like, oh, running, going back. And so like, a lot of teams were working me out to see if, because that, you know, there's always the NFL fads. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

The Wildcat was big then, so people were working me out for everything. Did you ever actually get the chance at a Wildcat? Were you running it at all? We had. When Tom got suspended and was 16 or 16, Jimmy G came in. He played the first two games, hurt his thaw or his shoulder, and then Jacobi Berset came in and there was no other quarterback.

So I was like the backup quarterback. How fun was that? I only got one play. Did you feel like? I was I was getting ready. I was good. Yeah, I can make it my time I was thinking at least I probably couldn't throw the ball But I can make those D-Lime and miss all day long when you got drafted time was just coming off his ACL Right. Yeah, was there ever a thought on your head that hey if this ACL recovery doesn't come no shot or ever thought on your head that, hey, if this AC overcover, it doesn't come.

No shot. I was, my first day at OTAs, man, I saw like the third string quarterback dropping dimes. I was like, I can't make that throw. Maybe let's start running these routes. Yeah, let's start learning how to run. Dana Fell just asked me out of ever getting a quarterback opportunity.

I always used to see like first QB goes down, saying QBs isn't like, I got a chance. I could do it see like first QB goes down, say QB isn't I'm like, I've got a chance. I could do it. I get one more. And then the second quarterback never got injured. So I just kind of sat there. And I don't even think I've ever actually been the like the guy that would come in because we've always had a running back. He doesn't trust you. And he doesn't trust me with the ball. You are a McLatter roll dude. You have McLatter roll. Talk about the latter. We make fun of the latter. I see you in a game. I'm like, is this

motherfucking got to help us on the time? They're up to score. Is he shot? No, he ain't. I see you trying to ladder roll time. That you've come to see. There's one of the shadies my favorite. The one to shadies my favorite. It happens so quick. You just catch like a little, like little curl, and then he just sit in there and just, oh, I just told this to that guy. One notch hit. I'm just like, how did you know Shady was gonna be there?

I saw Shady in my peripheral, I just caught it, and I was like, I got a guy right here. Shady looks like he's open, and I just tossed it to him. Did he have red gloves? Is that what you call it? So in like walkthroughs, you know, like the walk, you're like, yo, hey, just keep an eye. They already know.

And walk through as I catch and throw it to somebody. It's like throwing it around the horn and baseball. You know what I mean? I'm making sure everybody gets a throw. Everybody's seeing the ball come to them. Just like an extra way to just keep everybody involved as you're going through walk through, going through practice.

So I'm always just like non-stop just throwing. I'll throw it to alignment if he's downfield. Got it. Just to have some fun with it. Orlando Brown is notorious for like, don't fucking throw me the ball. He's got so much tape. He's got so much tape.

I threw him the ball. I think he's gonna throw him the ball. So they literally don't move. And I've never seen a pie. I've never seen a pie. We don't have a bowl of foam. You can't put that on the scotch. I've never seen a guy catch a ball with straight palms.

Like he didn't use his fingertips at all. He just tried to sandwich the ball with his hands. I was like, yeah, I'm never gonna fucking toss you the ball in the game. But fish Eric Fisher, he used to chase me down all the time. And literally one game it was in the playoffs. I think it was, I think it was Jags. I forget who it was. It was like a big third down.

I wasn't sure if I was like right on the line. Yeah. So I was like, hit it to him or just like, make sure down. I wasn't sure if I was like right on the line. Yeah. So I was like, hit it to him or just like, make sure you get the first down. So I was like, I'm not going. But I was literally I locked eyes with the tight end though. He was a tight end, right? He was a tight end. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, never played tackle, right? No, he only played tag. Well, in college, he played tackle. He played tackle. He was convert. Yeah, I don't know what year, but he converted the tag converter for sure. But yeah, no, I'd remember locking eyes with him. And I got the first down. He ran straight up. He's like, you were about to fucking do it. I was like, you felt that. All right,

make sure you feel that next time too, because I just had to get the first right there. Oh, what is it about change in positions though that you think you can still play that? Like I legitimately in my head still think I could have played like linebacker in the NFL are like running back because I played it in high school, which is no fucking chance. I realized at one time I picked up a fumble

behind the line of scrimmage and I'm like, I'm about to, now it's my time. The DB got on me so fucking fast. And I'm gonna wear the DB was at, like I picked it up and I broke that tackle. I didn't know where the DB was at. Like I picked it up. And I broke that tackle. I did get him. But it was like I was going to stiff arm him.

And it was like before I could even extend my arm. I was like, ah, I was just a fat guy kind of twirling around and broke that tackle. But then I went down quick. The spin is up, boys. He did. I remember that one.

I'm off. I was just never running the ball once. It was recent last couple of years. No, I think you caught a fucking like, you're thinking of Garrett Brewery, the Minnesota Center, caught a huge deflection last year and ran it for a bunch, but it has happened to me, trust me, I'd remember it.

The only one I got is that fumble, I got a personal foul getting on a fumble against the Raiders. That boy, that's about it. That's about it. Dan Conley, remember the best, you That boy? That's about it. That's about it. Dan Conley. Remember one of the best. You remember that?

Yes. On the kickoff. Yes, the kickoff return. When they had the wedge guys. That's a very good one. Because a lot of times when the big guys get the ball, it doesn't end up good. God.

Bring it back. How many big guys have gotten hurt? Getting torpedoed. On the wedge? Well, not just the wedge, but picking up a bike. I've seen so many of them. I'm gonna pick up a ball. Think they're gonna run it.

And click out! And, they're like, I asked over to you, Caddle. Wasn't there another Patriot's guy that, like, tore his ACL on the sideline? So? Maybe it was a different team, but either way, I'd just always, either way, the dang Colin one was, it was impressed.

That was crazy. It was like a long return and it wasn't like a fluke. To yard. Yeah, he didn't score though. It was so close. Like, what yard? Yeah, third, yeah. We usually get pictures in the hallway and

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What were your first impressions walking through the door? I was terrified. See, it looks like a therapist. Like you're walking into like a fucking, I don't even know. It's like a intimidating... The Death Star? Yes, it is. It's exactly what it is.

Not even in the Republic now. It was even crazier to me like when you're like a late round guy and you're playing the numbers game right away. Right, and how many receivers they gonna take. We had Randy Moss, we had West Walker, we just traded for Greg Lewis from Philly. We had Joey Galloway, we signed him free agency. He was an old Joey Galloway, but he still cook.

We had Sam Aiken who was special teams captain, so he wouldn't go nowhere. I was sitting there like after the hiatus of like, yeah, I just got drafted to like, damn, how am I gonna make this goddamn team? So that's when I just started hanging out with Scottio and I just did made myself valuable. Like, hey, can you cover kicks?

Is like, I'm covering kicks. Hey, can you, you know, be a personal pump protector? I was like, sure. Like I just tried everything. I was back up holder for like five years. Like, I would go meet up with Scotty O at like 530 and the more in a small fucker would make me come on in 530 and he'd give me the whole day of what he was going to coach during special teams meetings and I had

to be in those meetings too. So I would hear what he would say and then I would be in the meeting. I was the thing around the Patriots. They'd always say the more you can do. Right. Yeah. I mean, so I was just trying to do that and then just learn and make plays when you had a chance to. Yeah. I mean, and then, you know, one thing led to another and I am making it. I didn't know everything about the Juco. You're playing quarterback in college. Did you think you were going to get drafted? Did you expect a new England or was it kind of up in the air?

No. So you know the draft process goes, you do your pro day, then you start getting interviewed or you get tripped out the teams. I went to San Francisco, I went to Chicago, I went to Miami, I went to a bunch of places in New England and bring me in, but they worked me out three times and I was like, fuck it off,

I think I'm going to Miami, I'm gonna be a dolphin. You know, and then they, you know, I was like, I fell on to Miami. I'm gonna be a dolphin. You know, and then they, you know, I was like, I fell on my foot. I fell on my foot. Florida, you know, it was like, dance places crazy to this real nasty. It is. And so I was like, yeah, I'm probably not gonna be a patriot.

And so like when the sixth round came, my agent started hitting me up and he's like, yeah, you know, I got like five teams online for priority free agent if you don't get drafted, Niners, Packers, Bears. And we made a decision if I were to go on draft that I was gonna sign with probably the Packers because they didn't have any kind of slot guy

or they needed a coach turner as well. And we were just looking for somewhere I could potentially make the team. Then my agent hit me up and he's Don Yee, he represents Brady. Okay. And so like he goes and he's Don Yee. He represents Brady. Okay. And so like he goes, he not deal with the Patriots bunch. They made a seventh round trade.

They got a couple more picks. I wouldn't be surprised. I'm not saying they're going to, but I wouldn't be surprised if they pick that. Don Yee calling it. And then I got a 508 call from Bears, and they drafted me. Right on.

How about that? It'll fucking, he picks up the phone and he goes, yeah, I don't know what you're gonna play. Your good football player will see you tomorrow. Or like, like, so. Ha, ha, ha, ha ask you a question or something. Quiz you on some office. Don't tear it by that dude. Because he would always quiz everyone. Like you go like, hey Edelman,

who's fucking 72 on the wall in rookie camp? I go, I don't know coach. Because that's Matt fucking like. Guys only played nine years. Has three fucking super. You sit in there next week. I'd appreciate if he knew his fucking name. Like I'm like, I have heard there next week. I'd appreciate if he knew his fucking name. Like, oh my. Ha ha ha.

I have heard about this though. So every after that, after that one mother fucking, every rookie went and got names of everyone from all the like cleaning staff, the cafeteria people. He goes, you know, he'd ask you every thing. This is what I was gonna ask you. I heard this at the start of training camp, or OTs, you would get like a book with everybody's picture

and name on it. And you had to remember it. So this pre that, where you had to figure it out on your own. We had to go out and fucking Google search. To your own research. Yeah, like football obstacle. Give me a fucking prouder everyone. Yeah, immediate people, everything.

Give me a, I want everything. And they always have like these little sains and shit Mm-hmm, you know, and you had to know those, you know, do your job Ignore the noise speak for yourself don't believe the hype when you come in the building see attentive standard brainwashing Work's though. Hey, it's good. Hey, it was not it. It was you know after that hole when you guys won that Super Bowl Oh gosh and Lane went It was. You know, after that whole, when you guys won that Super Bowl. Oh gosh. And Lane went up there. I know.

Aw. Said what he said. Yeah. I didn't care, but like we went into locker room and shit. Like the next season coming in. That was like, oh, you know what? You hear what he said? Yeah.

I'm on your ear. And so there's a bunch of people saying shit. And so I went on the chalkboard and I just put waning is fun. And we ended up leaving it there the whole year and we ended up winning the Super Bowl there. Well, and, and I don't know if anybody else watching Bill's post game press conference in 19

when he has beat us in Philadelphia, but the first thing Bill said after the game was, man, that was fun. Like, and we knew exactly what he was referencing. But like nobody else probably picked up on it, but you know, hey, it worked for you as a, he has used his motivation so. Little Bullets and Bore material.

Bullets and Bored material. That's another thing that he does, Bella Check. Yeah. In the office, he's in Hill's sit there. He'll read like press clippings of what certain other teams are saying in the office, he's in, he'll sit there, he'll read like press clippings of what certain other teams are saying in the media, like you'll hear like a receiver or some guy on a team

and also like, you know, we'll be just pointing and go to Super Bowl this year. Yeah. He goes, fucking Super Bowl, it's fucking March. Yeah. Like, how about we just get better? Like, he just annihil, and he's basically telling like, all right guys, shut the fuck up, this is not what we're talking about. Let's worry about you know today. Yeah, he's so funny how you just get on these guys

Like anyone who says something in the media. He picks up on that shit. I don't know taking I can bell a chick. I'm still scared of him. I never met him or talked to him But I think I'm a little bit of of him. You would love him, though. You're a football guy. If you're a football guy, you love Bill. Yeah. Because he loves football guys. Yeah.

My perception of Bill is this hard ass, like old school coach, but then you see like the clips of him joking around with guys. Yeah, he jokes around with guys all the time. Yeah. But his joking is not always funny. It's like, look, I've seen fucking LT. You think you're good? Like, shit like that.

You can humiliate you very easily with just his knowledge of the game. Sure. He's got a dry sense of humor. Yeah. A lot of guys don't know if they could laugh at his jokes, but he does say a lot of funny ass shit. He's funny and he's fun when it's okay to be fun, but he's you know, it's a business and he wants to win. Yeah. That's number one priority. Why do you think there hasn't been so much success, I guess, with some of Bill's assistants

that have gone like other places? It's tough. You can't go in trying to replicate, replicate Bella check without the resume that Bella check has. Right. You know, if you're a veteran player who comes into New England for like the last 20 years, you kind of like understand what you're signing up for. Yeah.

So you're going to, you're going to stay in order. Yeah. So the culture's been set. Culture is set. You know, so it's been tough. You know, but I don't think that's necessarily true. Billy O'Brien, for example, at Houston Texans, I bet you that they would pray to have the six seasons that he had where they went to the playoffs like five years four years

You know there's guys Romeo Cornell did pretty good. I mean rape I've rapes on a coach, but he pretty much has that like one hundred percent You know, he's a he's a bellicite guy. I still remember that man where he pulled the other punt Yeah, the punt deal and he was like he's drawn with like a L.A. Czech's own mind game Yeah, he fucking got the delay a game so you could milk out the clock. And it was like, it was like Bella checks own mind game. Yeah, he fucking got the delay game so you could knock out the clock. But I mean, it's just, it's how football player right there, man.

He was like one of the smartest guys. He would, Bella check would always talk about how Vray Bull was like the smartest, one of the smartest football players he ever been around. There's like stories of Vray Bull, he was the biggest asshole, like just like older brother asshole.

Yeah. You know, like, the right kind of asshole. Get the fuck out of here, go do it, you know what I mean? Like, he ain't done shit, like that kind of shit. Like super accountable guy, like get up on everyone. Everyone's on the table for getting fucking chewed out. He gave it to Brady. I mean, there's old clips of him giving it to Brady and shit.

Like, Raeble, he's got like a fucking mystique figure that just floats in the hallways of the Patriots. I've always talked about him and Willie McGinnis. Oh, yeah. Oh man. Yeah, legends. And that was the thing, like, I was part of a new generation Pat.

So we had to hear, like our Patriots had to hear about that Patriot team. You're gonna see coming through, like you're becoming like, you know, the older guy now. One thousand percent. There's gonna be a time where you're becoming like you know the older guy now 1,000 percent there's gonna be a time where you're not gonna be there and Patrick's gonna be there still telling stories about Travis they're gonna be telling stories like My stories ain't gonna be nothing like Brave's or But you know if you're a younger player it motivated a lot of our guys like fuck I'm sick of hearing about Kevin Falk Teddy bruski Troy Brown fuck dude like let's go out when oh yeah branch and I'm sick of hearing about Kevin Falk Teddy bruski Troy Brown.

Fuck dude, like let's go out win. Oh yeah. Branch and I'm thinking of the wrong guy. Dion. Dion. Dirty. So played both ways. Troy Brown did.

Troy Brown did. So it was Troy Brown. Yeah, he got a pick too. I think I never got a pick. I was about to say. Almost pick Vince Young. How did that come about? Was it just you just locking dudes up on like special teams

that just translated into defense? Absolutely not. We're banged up at corner. I walk in on a Monday, Josh Boyer who he was DC over Miami like a couple years ago. He comes up to me because you're going to be in our meeting. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? I'm a meteorite.

Bill wants you in our meeting. Just come in our meeting. I'm like young player the fuck are you talking about? I'm mean, I mean, I'm pill-want you in our meeting. Just come in our meeting. What? I'm like, young player, fucking mind fuck. What's going on? Oh my God, what's, fucking play DB against the Jets that week. It was nuts. Who'd you guard? Do you remember who you guarded?

I was playing a lot of zone that game. I got to tackle Lydany and Tomasin. L-T? I took out L-T. Tell him you heard him, right? I think I heard him. I didn't want to say it. Yeah. You never want to hurt anybody. Never want to hurt anyone. Not ideal. But you felt the lick like you laid a good lick on him. No, I just went low on him. Like, I'm just fucking, he was low.

L.T. Yeah, he's low. Took out his leg. I'm gonna get the job done. I'm gonna get more frog, mate. Bite and ankles. McCoy jumped over me when he was in... Because I started in Philly. I started against Philly. I was in like a dime personnel group. Or actually, my first start was against the Chiefs. It's crazy. And then we played Philly.

Philly, yeah. Who was the small running back, Charles? Jamal Charles, yeah. Yeah. I was... Slythery, man. I had to cover him. So they made this because Bill's notorious for like his personnel groups on defense.

So like he had like five, six, seven D.Bs out there because they had the Jamal Charles and they were hitting them in the flat and on those little arrow routes and shit. So like they put me on him. They said wherever he goes, you go. And the next week I had to go play against Philly. Who did they have? Well, year 11.

Yeah, this is my, is your rookie year? Rookie year. Yeah, but you guys had a draw mail. A draw mail, but there's another detack with that wasn't very good. But he talked a lot of shit. this reason I remember he was drafted to Cleveland Yeah, Dredd. Yes, all he did was talk shit the whole game and he had some good ones Yes, I know well for it. I forget yeah, well big things low huge. Yeah, so we had Jeremy Maclin Maclin

I had to cover Maclin and then uh to Sean Jackson Sean Jackson. I almost I almost picked a return ride That was ran was Chathall on that team? I don't think he played the game. I played the game. But he was later. Yeah, Shady was crazy. He jumped over me. He jumped over me. Dude, it was insane.

McCoy, I tried to tackle him. He jumped over me. He saw what you did. L.T. Yeah. Run back. You know he's watching films. Yeah.

We're Shady. I can Shady McCoy. So we've had this debate. What do you think is harder We're shady. I can shady McCoy. So what we've had this debate is, what do you think's harder, DB receiver? I never played DB and I, I could cheat because I knew concepts and I knew situationally. It's just a fucking ball player.

You know, you could cheat because I knew on a third and three, what's there go to player, what's his go to route? So I would like, I would cheat and hold for five yards. You could get away, you can't expose people with the line of scrimmage. If you don't know how to do it, you'll get locked up by a good corner or good, you know, someone who cover. It's harder to do everything backwards. I like defense because you get to go out and hit things and it's like there's less rules and there's less. See ball get ball. It's more like things. Yeah. You know what

I mean? So offense, you have like everything has to click for you to get the ball. He's got a blog. This that, you know what I mean? So offense you have like everything has to click for you to get the ball Yeah, he's got a blog this that you know what I mean? So I like playing receiver. He likes scoring touchdowns But I think I could have played safety that would have been I think I would have knocked myself out Bob's name is never Bob's name. Oh my gosh Completely electric for like what three years and then it was just like the injuries piled up like like skames a season Yeah, yeah, but wanted to play about say there's like 5.8 to just bullets.

Wow. Primarily obviously play receiver. Do you think New England kind of revolutionized a slot receiver like position? Like what is it about that offense that the slot is such like an important piece? They definitely did. I mean, it started with Troy Brown. Yeah, Deon Branch jumped in there for a little bit and then left went to Seattle. Then well, kind of brought it to a whole another level.

Danny got a little too. Danny came in and that, you know, I think it's because the game changed to more of a space game, you know, like the evolution of the game. So like, you'd have these tweener guys that were like running back receivers, that were short. The wide receiver tight end. Yeah. Really, isn't, but he's kind of like a tweener tall.

Yeah. A lot of tweener. This is actually what I think the Patriot way is to be honest with you. Do Bill is the master at finding guys that are good at like a specific thing in utilize. He doesn't like we're talking about personnel like on on defense you see it where like there's guys It might not necessarily like in another defense be that good, but in this defense. They're fucking awesome because Bill uses them to their strength Well, I think a bill the master like personnel definitely 12 personnel is around because of us Chill not be named he was so Hernandez. He was so. That was so funny.

He was so funny. Yeah. That dude was so funny. Oh, he's insane. He's insane. Those, he was one of the balls. You run routes like him. You give a cross over at the top of the route like him.

It's not so excited. He was dog. I'm telling you, I know. I know he was good. You can't deny it. He was insane. But like, he loves, it's a matchup game, you know what I mean? So like, when we started throwing out three receivers with like Troy Brown and Welker and you

put the you know the slot in the three spot and you're getting lined up with a linebacker against quarters, which is kind of like a man coverage. He's trying to take away your inside. You cross his face. There's nothing over there. Like there's all these little things that coaches that do what they do just keep on doing what they do. So why not take advantage of what they're doing?

Yeah. Are you guys not surprised sometimes when you play a team that tell what they do? They're still doing this. And you just roast them up. Yeah, absolutely. Not going to name me names because I'm still playing big goddamn it. It's a couple. It's lovely.

There's some importantators out here that I'm just like I'm licking my chops every time I'm playing. We're not 100%. You know, you're getting at least nine balls. Yeah, no trees gonna dial that thing up on second and five. And I just know they're gonna be sitting in cover three. Yeah, cover four and I'll be backside manned up. Well, what's crazy is we as offense is try to dictate these to deep.

Like if you see a defense or you know, you can get them into a specific coverage of like they have a check like in the moment you go one by three, they're checking to this. You design it off of that. Bill does the same thing on defense. All this dude does is build five man fronts, gets you into a five, I'm speaking from all of it's a liner space, but it's so fucking annoying,

especially because like the master of tweener guys, right? High tower, Jamie Collins, all these bigger linebackers, not negative, or negatives, they're for spikes. No, he was there for spikes. No, well He was that spikes was unbelievable, but he didn't Spike will like a dog Harvest hitting the car like If you want to if you want to get spiced are you gonna do his play action? Yeah, right?

Yeah, he's coming. He's playing that run Spice used to light up, but like he gets you into the coverage, knows you're going to man block it as an offense line, and then they just run three and four man games, which is exactly the kryptonite to like getting guys in space and building these man blocks. So I don't know, I feel like- It's very team defense though. Yeah, for sure.

Because I remember we'd always have like defensive ends that would come in like on the tail part of their career. We don't have the name names. No, there's a- Ah! Ah! Ah! Who- come in like on the tail part of their career. We don't have the name names. No. There's a- Ah! Ah! Ah!

But they would get mad. Yeah. They would get mad be like, I can't rush. Yeah. Because you know, like you said, there's a lot of games where like, we're not in the fucking corner back. Somebody's got to keep the table out of the pocket. Yes.

You better, do not pass the quarterback. I don't want a gaping hole. You know me times I heard that from him, because he would do it in front of the whole team. Yeah. And that could be part of the Patriot Way too. He would have every morning we'd have probably like a 50 play cut up of all three phases.

And he would break down every one of those plays in front of everyone. So if you're on defense and you heard about an offense, a guy getting motherfucked, you'd be going in the hallway. And you'd hear someone say like, you got to get your depth on that mother fuck. That offensive, like, aren't you supposed to set the fucking edge, you know what I mean?

So like, you're creating competition. That could be it too. You played the majority inside, but you played outside too. You saw what Welker did, you saw what Amidola did. Was there another evolution when you and Tom found that connection? I think it was, I feel like you guys, you ran a lot of the underneath stuff that Welker ran in Amidol, Iran,

but you were running deeper, right? Yeah, you know what I mean? I was versatile, I knew all the positions. I knew the F, the Y, the Z, and the X, you know, and they put me in at the H sometimes. And you're starting to see a lot of that, like with a lot of the teams now, they have a guy like

Debo or so I put my name the same like Debo or anything but like you know what I mean like Moving guys and that goes back to the Bella check thing using guys strengths Yes, and matchups and that's kind of what it really was you know I was able to get open on the outside and you know that made it better for the inside because once I went inside Then it was more space and you know and you know, than you'd older, and you can't run the same, you stay inside. You know, that's how it gets. But I don't know if I took it to another level,

I think it's all part of the evolution. It's all part of the evolution. It was the Julian Edelman level. It was like what you could do, and the fact that you were so unique, and what your strengths were, they found a way to do it with you. Yeah, and I think also because being a former quarterback,

pre-snap reads, yeah man, so I was a pre-snap, the post-snap. And it always felt like in zones, you just knew exactly where to be. I tell every receiver, every tight end that comes in, or just comes in contact with you, that asks me how I'm so I'm like, I know what I have to do based off of what that QB has got

going on back there. It was a blessing. I didn't pay attention too much in that quarterback room, but I know being back there, what that feels like. You know what I mean? So in terms of timing, the sense of urgency, and then slowly you start to understand defenses and realize, oh, wow, he's reading the defenses.

This is his progression. Well, people don't realize there's like three pictures of a play. You have a pre-snap read, which the defense can dick with you, the safety, or like the safety's commu, or the corners come dick with you and stuff. And then there's post-snap where the safeties have to get through their lanes, unless your Troy Paulamalu

and you fucking go and get the rest. Does whatever you want to do. But like, those guys can't like corners. They got it in play, guess that guy. I'm just trying to think of what that defense used to be called. You had the free romer, like, I don't know, whatever. I know exactly what I'm saying. And you know, based on the pre-snap one,

usually if they're fake and they're going to this, right? So it's like, right away, it's going to be one of two things. If this guy stays here, it's this. If he does this, it's that. It's processing, the information, you know, and it's preparation. We all get the tendency reports reports all right on second and fucking to the 60% of the time they're gonna run this There's 30% time they're gonna have this and there's like three times when the guy was a defensive coordinator at fucking UOP

So you have all that in your head the poor guy that go all the way back there and cut that up You have all that in your head, the poor guy that go all the way back there and cut that up. It upstairs. Shout it to the analytic guys, man. That's guys. They're watching so much fucking film, get the numbers. I see it with your play all the time, like just on technique on who's covering me. I know the coverage.

And if he fucks it up and I see the safety and he's inside and it's supposed to be a single high look where he's got man cut. Like then I have an easy out breaking route, you know what I mean? And the game's evolved now where they put in so many like two option type like we'd have a play called and I could run like four different routes. The lore of the Patriots offense being difficult for receivers. You have four routes you can run in one play. Yeah, the jiggle route.

It's nuts. First cover five. You could bring it across. You could whip it in, bring it out. It's nuts. Verse cover five. You could bring it across. You could whip it in bring it out It versus own like single high. You have to sit up in the cruel flat area Verse Tampa. You want to get out and turn outside like undefeated. Yeah, it's undefeated You can't lose basically do whatever you want or do whatever you should do. Yeah, do whatever the quarterback thinks You're gonna do got you got you. There you go

Ultimately like they used to get so mad at me and Tom because on the paper it would show certain things. And I knew that there is no one occupying this area. I could go dip over in that area. Yeah. It's time I really like it if I just... No, he'd go up there. 100% he'd be like, hey babe, just get open. You know what I mean?

I'm like, all right. That's Pat's number one thing. Somebody goes and, hey, if it's covered three, I should run it like this and just get open But also like man coverage is like young players people are like you only need space and depth for zone if it's man coverage Yeah, and you got a crosser just get the fuck across when you have to get across and if there's a rat get across him And you're gonna get the ball. Yeah, you're not fucking up somebody else's route. You're not fucking up another line Yeah, you can get open. Yeah, you got some friends like loud people don't realize that yeah a lot of people

I've what I found out is a lot of people are scared to do that and and be coaches. Yeah exactly. I mean you have to Yeah, you got to be willing to take I've put you also got to make some plays. Go tree that's told me plenty of times, not to do shit. And I don't do it till it's time to do it. You know what? You remember that I threw a ball against you guys? Yeah.

So that wasn't a design play. Wait, what do you, that was so, so, yeah, the tuddy. What? He ran a post. He was supposed to take out the safety to bring him to the other side because we had the tight, we had the running back screen on the back side.

Yeah. So we just how I threw a fucking pick. Yeah. Keep going though. Knaip before the game. We're doing walkthroughs and shit. I get the ball. When we play with this little crossball and like the hotel thing and I get it and I'm like,

Hey, oh, Philly. What? And I hit Phil. McDaniels goes, don't you fucking think about doing that? Oh my god, Coach, what if he's wide open? He goes, just throw it to the fucking screen. So we go to the game, that's where the game, we couldn't run the ball at all.

We couldn't do anything. You guys, we couldn't get anything going on offense. And so we had to throw something out there. Yeah. We call it, I forgot who it was, but he broke through the lead blocker that was supposed to block for me. And if I were to flip my hips, I'm getting hit while I'm throwing.

I gotta get it out. I saw Phil out of the corner of my eye, and I fucking zing it. He gets knocked out, but he scores a touchdown. I run over the fucking sideline. McDaniel just goes, you're fucking dangerous at every. I'm fucking dangerous. you're fucking dangerous. I have a fucking danger. I'm fucking dangerous. That's so fucking funny.

It was crazy. So they installed a play against the giants for me to throw. It was kind of like a bubble screen. Move the formation and put the tackles on the numbers. A little screen to me. As soon as the tackles went to the numbers, they went cover two and the deep shot was over with. Ty Wiener's supposed to slide through the middle of the field.

He took what I thought was both safeties. And I was like, but there's the Marcus backside. And I just know I peeked over there. And he had about five yards of separation on the corner because this fucking cover two didn't even think to look at the safety of the middle of the field. I didn't look at the safe. I fucking hooked it, but the whole time you throw a pick.

Yes. It will not end. I just threw a punt. I threw a punt. He was dangerous and he was not mad. He was good. I'm mad. I was not mad.

Man, there's two sides of the story every time, baby. God, that's electric, man. We gotta make some plays and make those kind of plays, though. Like, you gotta have some merit, and you gotta have some equity. We were on a two game losing streak, that probably, when it was the fourth quarter, probably wasn't the best time to do that.

Shit. Sorry, I can't believe you. So you get drafted. What are your first impressions of Tom Brady? Dude, he's handsome. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, fucking tall handsome. I literally walked in through the locker room

and had my big ass like 20 inch binder of plays because we used to have playbooks. Yeah, yep, yep. I walked in almost dropped it. I'm like, damn, he's tall, he's handsome. Pfft. Like, I just, hey, I'm Julian. Hey, Jules, I know, you're tall.

I'm tall. Like, I was like, damn. And then I remember the first day of practice, I saw this. Hey, Joel, I know, you're Tom, I'm Tom. Like, yeah, I was like, damn. And then I remember the first day of practice, I saw this dude throw a ball. I was like, yeah, he's good. Buttery. Just dropped it right over the corner, a deep one to moss.

And when you got to see that connection, it was like a young player. Like how they met. It was fucking crazy. And then you'd see little Welker and he'd zip it. Like, they were on a sink. I don't think a ball hit the ground. Yeah.

And I mean, you guys see that probably now. My first couple of years, I came in with Alex Smith. And Alex was very, his progressions were true. He had the ability to do a lot with his legs. Sneaky, I call him a scooter man. Yeah. I'd never call it a two in his face, because he was, he was older and I was a rookie.

You're a rookie. But he could scoot. You could get out there and run around. He did it at Utah all the time. Yeah. He was very precise on like the, the reads and everything. And that's where I started to understand like getting on the same page as the quarterback, even more and more and understanding defense will help like me be on the same page with them.

Now with Pat, the understanding of the structure and then the ability to just freelance and just, obviously it's a structured freelance. You know when and when not to because of what everybody else is doing out there on the field, I feel like what you were saying earlier about Tom being able to tell you, hey, Jill's want you to just hit an outrouter, whatever it is.

When you first got to the league, was it like that? And by the time you guys were leaving New England, where was it at? It took me years to gain this trust. That was like the thing with Brady. When you're a fucking technician that's been doing it at a high level for such a long time, like he already had like 11 years in the league

when I got there. You get three super balls. Yeah, I mean, when you're a guy like that, you don't want to waste time. Every rep is something to those guys. So they want things done a certain way, right away, the way it needs to be done. And if you don't, they fucking just,

I'm done with that. Give me someone that knows what they're doing. You have a built in pressure that you're like, oh shit, I can't fuck this up, you know, as a young player. And so it took me years. You get comfortable, huh? To get comfortable, it took me reps with them, which I didn't get a lot with the team.

I moved out here because of him, because he used to live out here. He used to train. We had the same agents, and I always heard about him having well at Wes and Randy out here. I went up to the residence in a Manhattan Beach, right off the one, and fucking lived there for three months.

He called me one time, I told my age, and you know, let him know I'm in fucking town. I wanna throw. And I got was a nobody at that time. So he wasn't gonna, you know, like, he had his thing and it's probably political, he can't have, I don't know, but call me once. And fucking, I went out there, dropped everything,

came out the next year, you know, called me a few more times by a year or three, you know, we were throwing three or four times a week. And that's where I got to learn what he liked. And he learned my body mechanics. So he could tell when I was dropping my weight or how it was going to make a cut through reps and repetition. He could see my body language.

He started to learn my body language. And once you get those reps in, then you throw in a defense and you start getting more reps against defense, then I become his eyes. And he trusts me so much that if I turn out this way and I go like this, he knows it's not a defender out there even if he doesn't see it. He throws me in a certain area, you know, I know that sort of trust is built. So you know, it's kind of like being eyes. That's man, you don't get that without reps.

All you young guys out there are like, I'm huge on finding a way to get out on the practice field no matter how my body feels. I need to feel the defense, I need to feel the timing with the quarterbacks. And it doesn't matter if it's a route that I've ran a million times. I know it's gonna keep me in sync with it all and it's gonna just keep building in terms of

like the understanding and the trust. And like you were saying, just being comfortable out there. Everyone needs to listen that. I mean, I swear if I didn't play in New England, I'd still be playing because we practice so God damn hard. That's honestly why I retired. I couldn't practice. I was getting three reps of practice,

and then I'd go getting the pool because my knee, you know, like I was fucked up. And you build your confidence through practice. Yes. Practice repetition becomes game reality. Yeah. The more you do it in practice, that's crazy awesome to hear that you love to practice build your confidence through practice. Practice repetition becomes game reality. The more you do it in practice, that's crazy awesome to hear that you love to practice

because it's becoming a dying breed. And that's why football is getting sloppy. Yeah. I don't care what anyone says. Football is getting sloppy right now. You know, and that's why teams like your team, they have a fucking a light head start. They're so far ahead everyone.

You're both your teams. They have such big head starts on teams because they don't practice and you guys have great leadership clearly where guys wanna fucking practice. And if you're practicing and he's practicing, no one else can't not practice. Yeah, no, you know what I mean?

And that's how you get good. And like with the lack of practice that you have in the off seasons, with the rules and stuff, football's gotten sloppy. Yeah, I mean, somewhat. We don't practice that much. Dude, he's, I didn't wait before it.

I'm like, I'm waiting for it. I'm fucking him on this and I grew everything he's saying. He's better in Wednesdays. I talked to Ray Lewis about that. Yeah. On like Thursday practices, he would go out there and like flip flops. They'd be full padded.

I could be botching this, but he just would go out there and he would just sit in the where the linebacker position was. He wouldn't move, but he wanted to feel it. So I mean, hell and to feel it. That's a real mental rep right now, man. That's what you know, you got you're the man. Yeah, you get to go everybody else is out there really. You're there You gotta do it. What's Ray Lewis to an how no man is CT's catching up with He poor flip flops out the practice nobody hit him Ain't nobody I'm working with Ray You know, I'm working with Ray on this inside of the NFL. I wish I got to play with him bro Every time he talks before anything. It's like a gladiator fucking speech.

Just a pregame speech at all times. Ray, I know you get half your material from the gladiator. I started listening to what you're saying. Half of the lines are from gladiator. Half of the lines are from gladiator. Those eyes get big and you just know some knowledge is about to get blessed upon you man. He could say nothing and I wanna run through a wall.

I know, but like, what are you saying? Like his voice inflections and she's like, bro, you go, you go, you go, you go, I'm like, damn, I want to go. I'm fucking about to go shoot a show. Now, but fire it up to do the show now. Yeah, I'm just there. But that's why I retired.

I couldn't practice. Yeah, I mean, I've never heard the body mechanic stuff. Like Tom would just know by the way You were moving where you about to break or when you were gonna break and that's why that timing gets developed Yeah, they were doing it all year long, man Not just not just in season man like he's saying they were doing the shit in the offseason Getting those reps saying it's not just Happens that these guys were great. You know what I mean? Like, these guys were getting after this shit.

Yeah. I've told this story before, but I don't know if you guys heard it. I remember it was 2014 right before the season. We just lost the NAFC championship to Denver. We started training in like February. And he had a little location of the Super Bowl and his whiteboard and his gym. And I didn't know I was like, fucking naive. And like, what is this?

Like, tour, we're going to be playing the last game of the year bro. I go I'm gonna help you catch Montana. You know, because this is when he only had three. Yeah, he looked at me dead in the face and goes I ain't catching Montana. I'm going for Jordan. Oh, and I'm gonna fuck her did it. He did it.

That's crazy. Sir, pass them. You guys can do some shit like that. You know, no. By 3C, oh, McClepide. He's 50 good. You guys can do some shit like that, you know, no. By 3C or McCleopie, he's pretty good. He's pretty fun to play with, man. My favorite thing about Pat is the Off the Cuff. Once the initial play is done, it is Gid Jiggy time, man.

If that ball is an out seven step boom, like seven step bounce bounce, I'm doing something right now to do, because I just know his like improvisation or however you fucking say it, his ability to improve. He's gonna move on. Oh my gosh, it is then, if you know the concepts and you know the coverage, you know where motherfuckers aren't.

Yeah. And it's just like some time to get jiggy. Time to get jiggy. Dude, I remember hanging out with Pat once, it was before he was a starter. We were at a super bowl. Still Alex is back. It was a starter. We were at a super bowl. He was still Alex is back. It was a rookie.

He was like a kid, like a little kid drinking a bunch of beers and shit. Oh, he's still the same way. Every time I see him, I see him since. You know, other than that, you gang. He does have that like that high energy love for life and then just absolutely pounds course lights. Looks like a great fucking leader.

No, every single day. And he'll get on guys. He'll get on guys. If you're not running as a receiver, he'll get on you. He needs those reps. And he feels how valuable those reps are both in games and in practice. And I mean, there's a reason why he's fucking great.

I'll tell you what, man, the guy is as athletic as he is and as good as he is at like the improv and everything. He is about as nerdy as it gets. Yeah. I'm talking about I pulled up on him. We went to like a significant others like volleyball game. So I go up there. I'm actually watching the game like, where the fuck is Pat? Like I mean, he said he was going to be up here.

It's like a Tuesday during the season. He's in the car watching film and like looking up at the volleyball match like every like two seconds just to see it. I looked at the fucking notebook and it looked like chicken scratch I couldn't fucking I can't read anyways, but I couldn't read a single word couldn't print it out And he had an entire binder full and you could tell he was going through that shit Yeah, and I was just like man this guy's dude. He is this fuck He never I've never been able to take notes and looked at my notes and read my notes and be like that makes sense

And then you could tell he that he does it weekend week out and he says very Stoodies and volleyball game. He's freaking doing it all the time Everywhere or just hate the thing is Mine works fast enough that he'll actually be able to like look up at in between plays and still be able to like It's crazy. You need a little nerd in your quarterback. You need to have a little nerd. It's what I hate to make it. It's what I didn't make it. Did you do my arm talent?

Did you do your note taker? Yeah, I took notes. I do, I don't know why. I miss stuff when I write down notes. I like seeing it and watching it. And if I sit down to write something, I like miss stuff. I have all my notes from all the years. I used to write down everything. I'm everything. I've been going through it and like

Can I read them? I don't know. I might get killed We've been trying to log I have like little games you You played defense. Do you have the notebook for this? Right now it was telling you guys and in meetings the thing is they are the game plant team. Yeah, it's gonna change every week personnel groups Your personation of them in classic look you asshole look he's asshole. He's not saying asshole, look assholes. Like you fucking asshole. And he always say, we're not on this program. Like, he always says like,

yeah, like we're not on this fucking program. All right, I don't care where you're from, let's school you into this, that. Just shut the fuck up. Like goddamn. I love it. I love it. I love it.

You know how many way? Yeah, I saw that about coaches. That would be like to a younger player. Sure. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it.

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prom and try on a super bowl ring was that real she took me to her prom and yes I did to wear those super bowl rings. That's sorry, Jare. I used to go into his office all the time. He was never home. So I'd be over there playing with balls. It was crazy. It was crazy. Jerry Rice, bro, I was a buried kid. He was a fucking legend. I mean, the record center himself. It was, it was so crazy and they had such a cool house. Man. Ah! Ah!

I remember the first half. You were in a flashback right now. The first time I met him, dude came out, yoked up, six packed up with his chain on. He had his like, his fucking dreads that are starting back here. He was the old Jerry by the, Oh!

Oakland Jerry? Oakland Jerry. He'd typically the fuck out the end. Oakland Jerry? Oakland Jerry. He'd typically the fuck out of me. Yeah. Yeah, he wouldn't have any. Which I understand I have a daughter. I have a daughter, I'm a father of one. Patriots making the playoffs this year.

Yeah. We were talking beforehand. Do you think the jets are the real deal this year? I don't know, I mean, we've seen this happen a few times or some, you know, like I know, just like when Brady went over. Denver, Russell Wilson goes to Denver, they're stacked. Exactly.

They're taking the AFC West. Exactly, I mean, it started with Brady going to Tampa, went in a bowl first year, then staff were going over to LA, won a Super Bowl, and then we had, you know, Russ Gover and didn't cook very well in Denver, the altitude or something. So I don't know, like, there's a lot of hype on this team.

Yeah. It's not like they're fully loaded on offense. They have some playmakers. They got Breeze Hall who's coming off the ACL. They got the Garrett Wilson kid who's really good. Love watching the play. But like, they haven't had a lot of reps together. Right.

He's playing in a tough division. You got to pissed off Allen. You got a pissed off Bill's. Like those guys are humiliated right now. Right. Amy's about to say, I am. I can see Miami taking a step back.

You think so? I can see it. I thought, I thought they would, they would, they start 7-0 last year. If two of them didn't get hurt, they might have won the AFC last year. No, I mean, they would have been in contention.

Dude, they were killing it early on. But was that a fluke? I don't know if it's a fluke, but you know, December and November football is different. It's different. It's different. I see them taking a step back because they have so much hype around them. Gotcha. There's like always that one team where they're supposed to be good and something like

what is it? 40% of the teams that made the playoffs last year aren't going to make the playoffs. There was a run in Jacksonville where they were supposed to be the I mean their defense was always that but I feel like when we played them in the Super Bowl We beat them in the AFC championship. They were really good. Yeah, I'm gonna for Ned Yeah, I guess I was wrong. That was one of the only years they were really good though That they were really good. Yeah, we went on a flute. They always had bunch of studs on D.F. is 28 and three the greatest football game of all time. I wouldn't say it's the greatest football game of all time. I say it's probably the greatest comeback in the show bowl.

I mean that may I mean that alone the super boy you guys played against us. That was a great game. I mean unbelievable game because it was like 500 yards. Offensive. Well, I guess not of your fan of defense, but the offenses were in cooking. Yeah, man. I remember being absolutely shit faced in Minnesota for that game. I was, I'd buy the end of it. I was hurt.

I was hurt. The girl, I was hurt. I had amendola chance going where I was at. Like it was, it was fucking nuts. Holy cow. Gahli, I remember at the end of the night, did they, man? They were all in. It was easy to get into that game because there was no easy way to park and get to that

stadium. It was like you had to walk through all of the fucking streets and everything just to get to it. I do the skywalks. I got all those skywalks in. Yeah. And you're hammered, you don't know that. Which Super Bowl would you want to run back?

The loss to the giants or the loss to the Eagles? I didn't play in the Eagles, the giants. Giants, that makes sense. It hurts to lose the, but like, when you're out there, it's different. It feels more. It feels more. I got you. I didn't even play that game.

I was starting DB and the FCJP chip and then he fucking hosed me. They wouldn't let me play because they're all talking shit that they were gonna come after me and stuff. Okay, baby. Get me reps. They didn't even return a pun or anything. They didn't because we had all plus 50 punts and that's when what's his name? The the oak depth punner. Jaina Kowski. Yeah, that was. Yeah. He was that was the old runny guy. He was a beard up punner. Yeah, I did that a big ol. No, that was. Yeah, he was, that was the old Russian guy. He was a beard up on him. Yeah, he had a big old.

No, he was a kicker. No, I know he had the, he had the beard lefty, right? Yeah, lefty. For the Raiders. He was drafted in one like the third round or something. A first round. He was a first round draft pick. I think you're right.

I do believe that's correct. I want to kick it like 70 yards. I mean, he was unbelievable. Like, he played for like 18 years. No, but probably the Giants. Giants. I'm gonna make some. Well, you're just talking about DB.

Who's a better DB? You were drunk. I'm going with me. I'm going with you. At least an open field tackle. You also go up on that, man. I'm that. I've been that for us.

And that's arguably the scariest moment that you could ever be in at least for me because I Even even when I was like on teams my like first couple of years I Could not tackle to save my fucking life I let her in in in high school snapping to Jason on punt and being the first one down there one-on-one with a Returner zero tackles and when I tell you we didn't score much We were punting the fuck out of the ball. And I had zero, not even a half, zero. That's a scariest

moment ever be it. It was so bad for me because you guys were, it was on the 30. It wasn't even like he was supposed to like deflect the pass. No, I don't know. Mary's coming guys. Get back to the grog. I don't want to get into that. back to grow We won't get into that yeah, she's got a scallop you gotta keep your feet going You got stuck his hand pick aside use aside make them one sided scallop keep your feet moving don't keep in the ground Are you going we used to practice open field tackle every week in New England? Till a super bowl oh go in sideways We used to practice open field tackle every week in New England. Till the Super Bowl. Oh, go inside ways. Don't let me know.

Every week. You guys should be in there. We're doing open field runs and tackles and shit. But yeah, you got to keep the feet going. You heard of here, folks. We just talked about the 23 game. In that game, you had one of the most unbelievable catches in Super Bowl history.

Yeah. Where does that rank in the greatest catch in Super Bowl history? Fuck you see it goes. No. I mean the Tyree helmet catch was pretty fucking cool. Julio had a really good catch right before it. Ooh, that one. For that one, yeah.

Side Lines. You know mine, that was a reactional type. Santonio home is in the corner, the end zone with Brad. Against Arizona. Yeah, that was a game on the line. It was a reactional type play. I don't know.

I let that for other people to decide. I think it being modest, but yeah, that was, I'm putting it up there, dude. That fucking was incredible. Dude, Alexa. It was lucky. Honestly, I know, I'll rather be lucky. I know what you're saying, I know what you're saying,

but I don't think anybody else is getting lucky in that situation. To be lucky, you gotta put yourself in a position to be lucky, you gotta have the mindset to be lucky. How many other people are diving over three guys to get that ball? You know, middle read and the DB on inside leverage, turn to the side of the quarterback,

you're like, oh fuck, we lost the game. So I was just trying to go back here and bring it. You know what I mean? It won't thing led to another and, you know, you just keep your eye on the ball and good things happen sometimes Yeah, I had a drop that game too You think about that more I think about the third down drop than I did that that was a raw ride I come out of fucking half time. We're gonna be a little story guys

Drop drop I guess the word we're down 21 to 3. We went to 28. Damn man. And a third down. Out of them on a little cross. Out of that. So we were just trying to just take off? I tried to run before I had it.

You know, sometimes you get too excited. You just, you know, now, really lost it. You just like, look, look, look, look. I'm not saying anything bad about it. Which fan base do you think hated the Patriots the most? Jets, Falcons or Coats? Did you feel it? Did you feel the hate?

From Falcons? No. Falcons automatically out. I tell you right there, it's a team that's not on there, the Buffalo Bills. The Mafia. Bills fucking hated us. I have never been flipped off by the widest range of

age from people from three years old to 90 years old after going into old orchard and fucking beating the bills and it would be like it was like a ritual thing every time you go in there and when there be people with like confetti flipping you off throwing it up in the air a little Yeah, there be guys jumping on tables Yeah, hey, you want my glove? Fuck you psych I'm not getting you know Rudy's blue cheese and buddy Buffle up stuff man, now those it was fun. They really hated this stuff

I love a good house town environment man. That's why I'm here right now. When we played you guys in 18, that was crazy. I'm a bigger man. That was crazy. I was my favorite win. That wasn't a super role because we never won on the road in the playoffs with before them. Everything was at home. Everything was at home.

And when you go on the road and win a game in the playoffs, playing right back, Arrowhead was on another level that game. Dude, it was rocking. We got our ass beat there. Remember the Monday night game? You were there too. That was my first Monday night game. Yeah, we got our ass beat there. Rocking for an outdoor stadium. That Seattle. Yeah, those two right there are like fucking way loud. And then like we went, we played New Orleans one year in 2009 when they fucking hold different world in a dome and and the New Orleans people are nuts.

They had like the umbrella isn't a shit, but auto auto. It comes to the game with the trombone and trombone. Yes, it was fucking fun though. I won't play. Cajun just hopped in off of bourbon streets, yeah. Lick her up. I couldn't understand a thing they were saying.

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How many times are you an alternate, but you couldn't go because you're in the big sense? Twice. Twice. I have one jersey. People, I have one. You do. I have a jersey and I got the check.

There you go. I count. I'm gonna take my money. A lot of people buried at that time. Hey, I put that thing in my pocket. Say, residents and stars. That's what you make. That's what you save, boy.

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Love for you guys. I mean, talk about thinking about the story. Get it? You got it? Yep. It's in. So that's a pen. That's pen and ink.

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