New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelce - LeBron James on Playing in the NFL, Jordan's Pick-Up Games and Favorite Career Milestone | Ep 123

Episode Date: January 15, 2025

92%ers this is for you! We’ve got King James himself stopping by on this episode of New Heights presented by Hershey’s. Shop Reese's Chocolate Lava Big Cup now at a store near you. LeBron sits down with Jason and Travis to talk all things Wild Card Weekend, how close he came to playing in the NFL, some of his favorite times hooping in Cleveland, the Championship that means the most to him, and his real thoughts on playing with Bronny. We also settle the debate on which league owns Christmas, get the backstory on a legendary pick-up game against Michael Jordan, and find out how much longer “this fuckery” can go on. Finally, as promised, we look ahead to the divisional round of the playoffs and blindly rank our favorite Will Ferrell movies. If you want to join us in supporting the relief efforts in California, please visit https://www.redcross.org/nflYou can listen to new episodes early and ad-free on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. ...Download the full podcast here:Wondery: https://wondery.app.link/s9hHTgtXpMbApple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-heights/id1643745036Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/1y3SUbFMUSESC1N43tBleK?si=LsuQ4a5MRN6wGMcfVcuynwFollow New Heights on Social Media for all the best moments from the show: https://lnk.to/newheightshowCheck out our ‘Ultimate Fan Collection’ at https://homage.com/newheightsSupport the Show:  HERSHEY: Buy Reese's Chocolate Lava Big Cups now at a store near you. Found wherever candy is sold. TURBO TAX: Now This is Taxes. Brought to you by Intuit TurboTax. Visit https://turbotax.intuit.com/ FARMER’S DOG: Get 50% off your first box of fresh, healthy food at https://TheFarmersDog.com/newheights. Plus, you get FREE shipping!ACCELERATOR: Click the link below to get a case of the Kelce Brothers’ favorite energy drink!https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/FB06B38E-F0C2-479F-9DA5-FD4A1C852B07?channel=NewHeights2025DRAFT KINGS: Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using https://dkng.co/newheights or through promo code NEWHEIGHTS.GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, [phone] or visit gamblinghelplinema.org (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY).Please Gamble Responsibly. 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org (CT), or visit www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD).21+ and present in most states. (18+ DC/KY/NH/WY). Void in ONT/OR/NH. Eligibility restrictions apply. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). 1 per new customer. $5+ first-time bet req. Max. $200 issued as non-withdrawable Bonus Bets that expire in 7 days (168 hours). Stake removed from payout. Terms: sportsbook.draftkings.com/promos. Ends 2/9/25 at 11:59 PM ET. Sponsored by DK.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Or binge entire seasons early and ad free on WunderB plus. Dude, I'm pretty pumped. I'm nervous, but I'm pretty pumped. I've always wanted to ask him just everything on my mind. I know it's gonna be hard. You're not gonna have that much time. I'm not.

I don't even know what's on the rundown. I'll take care of the rundown. You just free ball it. LeBron, do you think I could play in the NBA? You don't want the answer to that. He saw me trying dunk last week. Yeah. All right. Let's fucking go. Welcome back to new heist, ladies and gentlemen, a Wondry show produced by Wavesports and Entertainment and brought to you by Reese's. Chocolate lava big cup. Ooh, big Ed Kelsey is going to go fucking nuts over that.

Ed salivating right now. We're your hosts. I'm Travis Kelsey. This is Jason Kelsey out of Northeast Ohio. Cleveland natives Bearcat alumni as well. Shout out to the Bearcats. Hopefully you can get it going here. Boys basketball, women's basketball here

in the old Big 12. Come on now, come on now. Subscribe on YouTube, OneDrewPlus, wherever you get your podcasts. Follow the show on all social media at New Heights Show with 1S. Jason, tell the people what we got coming. 92% is we got a banger.

We got a banger. We got a guest. It's been a long time coming. And with the playoffs here, the stakes could not be higher for him to come on the show. He's the king himself. King James is here, that's right! Northeast Ohio's finest.

Get ready for some fun. Yeah, he's gonna help us recap the wild card weekend. We'll talk a little Cleveland, lots and lots of other fun because I've always wanted to talk to the king about everything Cleveland and everything basketball man. So this is going to be a fun one, man. This is going to be a fun one. Yeah, before we get into LeBron, we just wanted to take a second and stop down and say that our thoughts are with everybody in the LA area. Yeah, we've all seen the footage and at this point, no people personally who have been affected by these fires and this tragedy. So our thoughts are with you. There will be a link in the description if you want to support.

That's redcross.org slash NFL. I really don't know what's going to happen in even just the coming days, let alone the coming weeks and how this is going to get rebuilt. So just let you know, you know, we're thinking about you. Everybody know this is not easy. Did it feel special out there in Arizona at the Rams game? You know, I was walking through the... So normally we're out on the field and we're not in the concourse area. But because of transition, we couldn't have that set on the field in Arizona. And when I was walking through the concourse area, I saw like the LA fire department hat that the Rams were cosigning with. I'm like, God dang man. Like, I don't know, it just like hit me right in the moment. Oftentimes, football can be a distraction

from some of these things. And I always enjoyed playing when there was crazy things happening outside of the game. It was a way to kind of just not have to think about it for a little bit. So I don't know, hopefully the Rams winning on Monday, gave the fans and some of the citizens some much needed escape from the things that are happening. But shout out to everyone that's involved in helping prevent, rebuild,

just the emergency responders that are there helping out the people that are in need. It was pretty powerful seeing a lot of the LA fans in that place. I really thought Big Whit killed it in his speech. That is the first speech I've heard from him and he always kills. He's always away with words and he's obviously really personally connected to all this stuff being out there in LA. So yeah, let's get on to LeBron. Let's pick up some spirits and get this conversation going. Joining us today, the 6-9, forward from Akron, Ohio, the number one pick of 2003 NBA draft, 2004 rookie of the year, 20-time NBA All-Star, four-time MVP, four-time NBA champion,

three-time gold medalist, and the NBA all-time leader in career points. That's right, 92 percenters, please welcome Northeast Ohio's finest, Mr. LeBron James! Let's go! Oh my god. Yo, Jason, that might be the greatest introduction of all time.

Found at the air with the powder. Oh my goodness, you guys are fucking unbelievable. This dude is just wearing the powder, too. Right, right. Who's going to clean that shit up now? Kylie is not going to be happy about this. Jason, you got to blow the powder away, right. Who's gonna clean that shit up now? Kylee is not gonna be happy about this. Jason, you gotta blow the powder away, Jason. You gotta study the technique, man.

I put way too much in there. Yeah. All right. This guy looks like a fucking ghost, man. That shit's great, dog. You started doing the powder what year? Was it your rookie year? No, I don't remember if it was my rookie year at Triumph, man.

I think it was maybe second year, maybe third year. But I used to just go up to the counter, man, go up there, put a little powder, because I like the resin on my hands. I was going to say, was that like your move? Yeah, I just went up there, do a little bit of something, and then just went to the game. And then I started doing a little bit more,

and then started doing that towards the scorer's table. And I seen you know, I started doing a little bit more and they started like doing that towards the scores table. And they said I seen them kind of like, you know, getting ready for me to do it. And then I started doing like this. And I threw it up a little bit one time, got a little bit more excited. I was like, you know what? Fuck it. I'm just gonna have it's iconic, man. All right, well, we're gonna get into this right off the bat because I think this is

incredible. Super wild card weekend. The Brown. You've been working with DraftKings. Yeah. Yeah. You went five for six. Look at this pitch. Look at this pitch, Trapp. This guy knows some football, baby. This guy knows some football. He has the Chargers to win, Baltimore to win, Buffalo to win, Eagles to win, Commanders to win, Rams to win. That's crazy. That's crazy.

That's crazy. I mean, we know you played football back in the day at St. Vincent, St. Mary, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Has it ever actually crossed your mind what you could possibly do in the NFL? No, absolutely. Absolutely.

Absolutely. Have you ever taken it like a serious thought? Like, man, what if I just did one year? Yeah, like, have you ever like taken it like a serious thought? Like, man, what if I just did one year? Yeah, the only time I've like really taken it like super duper serious, I believe, was I think it was 2011 when we had NBA lockout. And, you know, and I didn't know, like when we were going to make the deal with the with the owners and get our league back going. So I actually thought about it a little bit back then.

I was still young enough, you know, to get out there with y'all. But, you know, that's the only time I've actually seriously considered it. I've had serious dreams about this shit all the time. All the time. All the time. And you know what?

And my dream never actually, the ball has never kicked off. It's like me in a warmup. It's me coming out, running my route. And then right when the game started, I was like fucking wake up or some shit. I'm like, okay, that lets me know I'm not supposed to be out there. There you go.

Time out, come on out. It's all the dreams, yeah, we know exactly where. Just to let you know, you're still young enough to get out there and be like, I guarantee that. We can see how you can get up and down the floor. Who do you think your biggest comparison would have been on in the league? Everyone always likes to say Gronk or maybe even Calvin Johnson. You think Megatron probably the closest.

Yeah, I'll probably like a mix between, you know, Gronk or Randy Moss a little bit, but he's a lot smaller than me. He runs a lot faster, but he's a lot smaller than me. But like Megatron, we kind of have that same like stature as far as build or whatever the case may be. Tony Gonzalez with him and his size. And obviously he played basketball as well. I used to love his celebration when he used to dunk on the goalpost to try to say, oh, actually,

I saw you do it too. I tried. I just smacked backboard on that one. I don't know. This might be the last. Oh, here it comes. I tried, I tried, I might have just smacked backboard on that one. I don't know if I got up there. Just smacked the glass. I used to be able to fly. I know the NFL had a nerd to find you for that shit. I'm like, come on man, relax. You already know, man.

Relax. It was fine, well worth it. Actually, Tony G helped me out with that one. But instead of throwing any money at me, I just told him to send it to the foundation. So he sent it to the foundation. There we go. Shout out to Tony G for that.

There we go, give it up for Tony G. The only game you missed in that parlay was the Texans Chargers game. We know you're a big football fan. I guess, how do you watch the games? How do you stay knowledgeable of all this stuff? You're a busy dude, man. I try to watch as many NFL games, college games,

high school games. And yeah, I'm very knowledgeable about the game. I remember playing it obviously, but just watching you guys out there and seeing the way y'all play, it's not just like as a fan, which I'm a fan of the sport, but also kind of like my IQ about the game. So the Chargers, Texas game, I was off on that.

I felt like the Texans, they hadn't played consistent football all year, you know, and obviously losing Stefan Diggs and losing Tank Dale, you know, I just felt like. Big pieces. You know, big pieces and you know, you know, my boy, you know, you know, my boy, you know, CJ Stroud has been struggling a little bit this year. He, you know, he had the rookie of the year last year, you know, Ohio State

alum, but he was struggling too losing bit this year. He you know, he had the rookie of the year last year, you know, Ohio State alum but he was struggling too losing those big guys and I felt like the Chargers was coming in on so much, you know, I felt like they had it. I feel like they had an opportunity,

you know, and they're coaching those guys really well this year but turnovers. We all know the name of the game and and sports especially in football, man, it's turnovers and that defense for the Texans, they turned them boys over multiple times. That's the game right there. Yeah.

Yeah, their defense balled out. Some tough ones for Herbert too, man. Through some hands and deflections. Those are just daggers, man. You mentioned Ohio State, man. I gotta ask, man, did Trussell ever come and knock on the door? No, absolutely. Did Trussell

ever come and knock on the door? No, absolutely. I know basketball was always there but did Trussell ever come and knock on the door? Absolutely, man. Uh Trussell knocked on the door plenty of times. They wanted me to come up there and

be a two uh two sport uh player IE Travis Hunter. Uh we saw him when Travis Hunter did this year, you know, with Colorado but definitely they knocked on the door. It's like if you come down to Ohio State, we want you to play both sides. And I would have definitely thought about that. My best friend at the time,

Shion Cotton went off to Ohio State, full ride to Ohio State. And he played for Ohio State football. So that'd have been super dope. I could have like roomed with him, played football during the fall, basketball during the winter and spring. So that'd have been dope.

Man, Buckeyes, man. That would have been crazy to see you in a Buckeyes jersey. That'd have been dope. Maurice Claret was coming from around the winter and spring. So, top three in running for Mr. Football as well. But he went crazy, man. He went to Warren Harding. He went insane his senior year and then his freshman year went on to Ohio State and they was able to beat that juggernaut over the Miami Hurricanes that year, you know, for the National Championship. But Maurice Correa was a beast, man. Beast. Was that 2002, right? This was 2000 this would have been 2003-4 so they yeah, yeah, yeah, three four. Yep. Yep, man. Oh man that team would have been Something that happened over the over the weekend is uh, you know, we thought we could relate it to you because you're a big book guy Guy

AJ Brown was seen reading a book on the sideline of the game. Did you catch this? I did catch that. I was watching the game, and I did catch that. I can say I've watched the NFL for 35 plus years of my life. That's the first time. First time. I've seen guys eat Skittles, Marshawn Lynch. I've seen guys with the oxygen tanks.

I've seen guys meditating. I've seen guys slam helmets. I've seen a lot of shit. That was the first time I've ever seen a book been brought out on the bitch. First time. You ever seen that in the NBA? No, no, never. No?

No, no. No, like just something to ease the mind. Just go ahead and read a few passages. By the way, when AJ Brown said the reason for why he did it, you know what? It was great. And then they showed the clip when Saquon had the touchdown run and he slid. And you see Devontae and AJ like messing around with him like, man, go score that. He's like, no, man, no, chill.

I was like, chemistry is still there. So, you know, the chemistry is still there. They've been playing good football. That's all that matters. You know, I think that's 10 in a row for them. They got it going. So, hey, if it's working for them, let them keep going, man.

Whatever, whatever works, you know. I'm with you on that. No doubt. What about this Bill's Ravens game? Staying on the topic of these playoff games. We got Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson. You had the tweet during the game. Henry, staying on the topic of these playoff games. We got Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson. You had to tweet during the game. Henry, King Henry.

Yeah, man. There's anybody that can call somebody a king. I think we're looking right at that. What do you like in this game? I mean, it's a tough one, man. Obviously, I think Buffalo has, I don't want to say it's not surprising anymore, but they lost a lot of pieces in the off season, and a lot on the offensive end too.

And then they lost a lot in their secondary too. Micahide left and Poirier left and Chidabia's White left, and all those receivers there. So a lot of was like, okay, will they be able to get to this point where they are? Well, they still got Josh Allen and Josh Allen has been he's been

unbelievable. Um so, you know, for Lamar, listen, this is this is what they want. You know, this is uh this is why they grabbed Derek Henry. This is why they, you know, made the change with the office of coordinator to be able to get

to the point where they can play either Buffalo or play Travis and them boys that like, let's, if you want to be crowned, you have to, you know, beat the top teams in the, in the AFC and the top teams in the AFC over the last three, four or five, obviously 20 years. If you talk at KC, it's Buffalo or KC. So, you know, it's up, it's, this is, you know, in order for Lamar to get to where he says he wants to get, he has to go through Buffalo. He has to go through KC. So, you know, this is, you know, in order for Lamar to get to where he says he wants to get, he has to go through Buffalo, he has to go through KC. So let the games begin. I can't wait to watch that one.

Yeah, he's been knocking on the door, man. He has been knocking on the door for sure. They've been knocking on the door. Yep. Henry definitely helps man. He was running. He was like a Clydesdale running through that hole. He was fresh. I've seen him all season. I don't know how. Man, that was amazing. Absolutely. Yeah. Super. Look, super fresh. Absolutely. King Henry. I've been loving the commercials of you and Kevin Hart, man. I'll tell you what,

just when I thought because it was a celebration one in the middle of the season. I was like, man, every time it came on, I was dying laughing. But the new ones, you guys got some heat, man. You and Kevin are absolutely hilarious together, man. I can't wait to keep seeing these things unfold. No, absolutely, man. Me and Kev is one of my best friends, man, when it comes to this. And when we get on set, you know, we have a script

and then it gets to the point where we just like, man, let's just riff and let's see what comes out of it. Let's just do it and whatever comes out of it because of our chemistry, you know, it's great working with Kev, working with Draft Kings, being able to, you know, do things like that where it's just easy for us and we knock those things out very easily and happy that people love them, you know, because it's definitely fun. It's definitely fun. You already know. I can only imagine how fun it is.

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Look Ahead is brought to you by DraftKings. Joining me now is intern Brandon. Come on in here, intern Brandon. I'm here. What's up, Bubba? How you doing? Hey buddy. Thanks for helping out with this. You're in the middle of talking to LeBron. It's pretty crazy. Pretty crazy. It feels weird to interrupt LeBron James.

It certainly does. I'm not going to not say that. All righty. We've got eight teams left heading into this weekend's Slayda games. Let's have you, intern Brandon, construct Same Game Parlay Extra for your favorite picks for the weekend. For those who are unfamiliar, Same Game Parlay Extra is also called a SGPX, and it is a parlay where at least two of the bets are from one game and at least one pick is from a different game. First pick, I am looking at the Commander's Lions game. I am going to be honest,

the Lions have not scored under 30, I think, since November. I'm gonna go with the Lions in this game. I feel very confident in them. I am concerned about their defense. Jason, should I be concerned about their defense? The Lions defense? Lions defense. I mean, they're banged up, but they're still healthy in the secondary and they play man-to-man coverage, which allows them to load the box. They looked really good against Minnesota. They'll double McClure in a lot and they're going to pack the

box to stop the run. So I think the Lions will win this game pretty handily. I just think that they're a much more talented team up front, but I've been wrong about the commanders all season. So I feel this exact same way. Yeah. I feel the exact. I'm excited to watch it. Next pick from that same game. I am going to go with Jameer Gibbs to score a touchdown. He has had a TD in five of the Lions,

eight home games this year. And I don't know if I trust the commander's D line. I love the way the Lions use him if it's a rushing or receiving touchdown I feel like he is an incredible red zone weapon where you don't know where he might be springing from. Yeah I'll be surprised if he does not score a touchdown. Let's see last pick last pick we are gonna look at the game I think we're all waiting for this is Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen. It's at home, it's in Buffalo. I'm gonna go with Josh Allen over on passing yards, 250 and a half.

250? 250, I know, I know. He didn't crack 200 last time they played. I wouldn't say like the way their offense functions that I'm expecting a big passing yards number but I think the game is going to be close and I think that Allen's going to have to throw for over 250. So, I bet he probably goes north of it but like this is a game where I'd go over Allen's rushing yards if that was an option because I feel like in games where he has to win, he usuallyes for more they're gonna have some designed runs in crucial situations isn't it gonna snow I don't know I didn't check the weather

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Yeah. Yeah. The highlights are incredible, but we need to settle something. We've started this debate and I'm sure you're aware of what we're about to ask. What is easier to do? An NFL player going to the NBA or an NBA player going to the NFL from a guy that could that literally could have played both you are the everybody knows you could have done both.

So this this this I respect this. This is a great debate and obviously I've been hearing and seeing people's responses and seeing people's questions or whatever and going back and forth. I want to say that I think it's easier for a basketball player to try NFL over the NFL player trying to get into the NBA. I just, and I know we got some great athletes. I've seen, I've seen Keon Coleman's highlights when he played, you know, and it's a lot of guys that's played basketball.

I've seen Zay Flowers play his high school highlights as well. Zay Flowers, Super Athletic, fast, quick guard, you know, but I would say basketball to football. An NBA guy decides to go play the NFL. Yes, it's going to take a transition period. You know, for me, it would have been like, getting used to being hit again. Like, like I remember just like in high school, I was to go from summer from summertime playing basketball, playing a ball, and then going into the fall, I had to get used to getting hit again. Like that's three practices. Once you put on the shoulder pads and the helmets, like getting hit

again is the most important thing. And then like, you know, getting the cadence back, you know, getting your routes back and all that. But once you get into a groove, you're like, okay, you know, I got it. It's like riding a bike. Football going to basketball, it's such more, you know, coordination and running and jumping it.

And it's like consistent, you know, it's consistent. It's a way different. It's consistent. It's consistent with football, you know, you say hike, you know, whatever's consistent. You know, with football, you know, you say hike, you know, whatever your cadence is, boom, just quick, quick twitch, you know, and

then settle back, reset, quick twitch, settle back, reset. Six seconds at a time. Exactly. Six seconds at a time. But in basketball, you can go on for four or five straight minutes with no timeouts, no breaks and you gotta, you gotta

keep your mind fresh. You gotta keep you, you gotta breathe. Like timeouts, no breaks, and you gotta keep your mind fresh, you gotta keep, you gotta breathe, like you gotta, you know. So. Jason isn't built for that one. I was about to say, listen, I could have definitely played in the NBA. No question about it. No, Braun, I gotta know,

if there was one player outside of yourself who you think would be able to make the cleanest transition into the NFL, who would it be? I will say, off top of my head, I would say Russell Westbrook or Anthony Edwards. I think Russ would be an unbelievable strong safety or free safety, you know, his ability to kind of like. You think he's playing defense?

I think so, I think so. You know, and Russ, he comes with that natural aggression off top. He does, you're right. He got that Derwin James type aggression. He's trying to hit somebody. And I think Edwards, I've seen a lot of his little league football highlights

and also I think he played in high school as well. Ooh, I gotta check those out. He looked like he could make the transition as well, but off top, I think Russ for sure. Yeah, Anthony Edwards has a bit of that mentality as well. Yeah, yeah, for sure. From what I've top, I think Russ for sure. Yeah. Anthony Edwards has a bit of that mentality as well. Yeah, yeah, for sure. From what I've seen too.

Yeah, for sure. As fellow Ohioans, we got to talk about Cleveland. Did you know Trav saw you play when you were in high school? Oh yeah, baby. Cleveland State, baby. Have you guys ever talked about this? Yeah, yeah, I did. We talked about this a couple of times.

He came to Cleveland State and watched me rock out, man. Yeah. Man, I was in middle school, man. I was just trying to see the King, man. I was trying to see before it went pros, man. I wasn't sure if you were going to land in Cleveland. Luckily you did. And I got to see you play countless amount of times up at the, uh, the

Gund arena, then the Quicken Loans arena. But yeah, man, I saw you down at Cleveland state. How many times did you, uh, did you play at Cleveland state? I can think of two off the top of my head, but yeah, yeah. I think I played at Cleveland State prior about five times. You know, I know I played a few times early on in high school and then a definitely a couple of times in my senior year. So it was definitely it was definitely a fun time being up in Cleveland, playing up there.

And I even played at the Gundarina to my senior year. Like, yeah, you know, play. We played against Warren Warrensville Heights, you know, my senior year. And I don't I don't like toville Heights, you know, my senior year. And I don't like to talk about this too much, but my game, my senior year, had more fans than the Cavs had that year. They did.

Oh, there's no question. I think the only time they had more fans was when MJ played in Cleveland, but you know. That's too funny, man. That's too funny. That was good. I'll tell you what, man. For whatever reason, man, I was still like one of the biggest Cavs fans, even though

they were the worst team in the league. Darius, Miles, Boozer, all those dudes. Ricky Davis, man. All those guys. You would get a few highlights a game, man. It's still me. It's still me, right? Oh yeah, for sure.

Yeah, for sure. Like you knew they was, they didn't win a lot of games, but they're going to give you a couple of plays here. Ricky D, you know, D Miles, Smush Parker, Booze, like all those guys was for that team. You know, it was fun to watch even though, even though you know, they wasn't that successful there, but it was fun to watch. Well, you turned them up, baby. But you bring up a good point with like, you bringing more fans to the gun than the Cavs did. I don't think people now realize just how big you were in high school. Like, unless you grew up in that it was it was so crazy. Oh, man.

Right. The level of expectation and fame that you had at St. Vincent St. Mary. Like, I've never seen anything like that to this day. No, you're right, Jason. And the funny thing is, like you say, like, and this is before social media, so you couldn't really. That's what it is. Unless you was there in real time,

you couldn't, you didn't know, it was just word of mouth. It was like, okay, I heard about this kid from Northeast Ohio. You heard about this kid? Yeah, yeah. It was like, okay, well, who's trying to make a trip to Akron, Ohio? Who's trying to come to Cleveland?

It's like, you know, but like, if you happen to be going to the Kent Football Hall of Fame, or if you happen to be going to Cleveland to the Rock Cleveland? It's like, you know, we're like, if you happen to be, you know, going to the Kent football hall of fame, or if you happen to be going to Cleveland to the rock and roll hall of fame, or if you was to happen to be in town, and I happen to be playing, then you understood what the hype was all about, you know, why it was so much conversation.

So I can only imagine if social media was around there. We would have, like, I don't, it would have been too much for Northeast Ohio at that point. That's interesting, yeah. It's really like you were the last of like that legend era of like word of mouth. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Man, back when you were playing, when I was playing like back, guys had to literally be the absolute best to get some sort of highlight tape. If you, like there was nobody just out here, just getting, just putting their highlight tape on YouTube and getting looks or getting clicks. No, no question, Trav.

Like right now, like if you, if you, you could be anywhere in the world now and because of the phones and because of the things you could capture, you could be recruited and get accepted. Back then when we played, if you didn't have a coach to come see you live, it was gonna be hell getting a college scholarship. And you showed up that day.

And you had to show up because they was all over the place. Like they was not just gonna come and keep coming back if you didn't show up. Like, and you had to perform in front of those coaches and you knew, you knew those games that those big time coaches was there too. So it put even more pressure on you to show out.

So, yeah, absolutely. You're right about that right about that man we had to like us three being Northeast Ohio kids like we had to show out when those coaches is there or we didn't know if they're gonna come back. Just missed the train. Yeah you missed the train. Yep. Not only were you from the Northeast you end up going to the Cavs you end up bringing the first title to Cleveland. Man. What was it? Like 50 years or whatever? I think it was 57 years. 57 years or something crazy.

57. Yeah, exactly. I wasn't alive yet. Why do I get this pressure? That's crazy, man. I do got to ask, of your four championships, where does the one in Cleveland rank? I mean, the first one, it's hard to top the first one. Ain't that the truth? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We all remember our first one.

And we know the feeling that we had when we won our first one because of like all the disappointment before that. You know, the hard work, the dedication, the things that people don't see, the nights that we cry about what the fuck we could have did better in order for us to get that first one.

And then you're able to prevail. That first one is so, so special, so, so dear. But man, it's nothing better for me than that Cleveland one just because of everything. Like you said, the 50 plus years of no championship in Northeast Ohio, the seven years I was there beforehand and it took me to leave and

to come back to like to understand or appreciate it even more being down three one with the greatest, the greatest team, 73 and nine warriors with Steph and uh, Clay and Draymond and you know, and coming back and winning that game and winning that series for the city of Cleveland for Northeast Ohio. That's why you saw the emotional Cleveland. You're getting me fired up right now, man. You're getting me fired up right now, man. You saw me crying on the court.

It was like it all just like, whoo, like that one. 2016, I would become an old man someday. We will all become old men. You know, we got great beers. They're gonna be all great at some point. You know, coming in on the sides. Yeah, yeah. That year, that's one year I will never forget, 2016.

That, that's, it was unbelievable time. I came back and went to the parade, man. It was absolutely epic, dog. I appreciate you again for doing it. I know I told you a million times, man. It's the greatest parade, man, absolutely. For Cleveland one time, baby. Cleveland would be the only sports town to win a series three, man. It's the greatest parade, man, absolutely. For Cleveland one time, baby. Cleveland would be the only sports town

to win a series three-one and then baseball the exact next series. Lose three to one. We could have been on top of the world forever, man. We could have been on top of the world forever, but it's all good. Cleveland, by the way, the Cavs look amazing right now as well, they got another opportunity.

We are rolling. Yeah, I hope they keep it going. They got an opportunity to do something special. So, you know, I'm glad I was able to put on first, set the trend, and hopefully we keep it going. Go Cavs. There you go, baby. Well, now that we're in the NBA,

you've went viral a couple weeks ago, I guess now. Who owns Christmas? It's according to you. I love the NFL, but Christmas is the NBA. Well, we are trying to, we are sneaking in on that. Terrence. I listen, I listen, listen, I saw the, I saw the fucking numbers after the fact. You guys kicked our ass.

All right. Okay. From a viewership stamp or y'all kicked our ass. You had, you know, the games weren't as great as they should have been. They shouldn't, yeah. When you have fucking Beyonce come out there. I think it's different. I think Beyonce.

I think you can. Emma Holmes and Travis, you guys go there and kick Pittsburgh's ass. Beyonce comes out there. When you go out there, you got your little brother and he may get beat up one time. You're like, hey, we didn't lose that fight.

We didn't lose that fight. We're standing here. We didn't lose. That's how I felt. I had to stand up. I had to stand up for the NBA. Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

You've had a couple of huge milestones recently. Recently past Kareem Abdul-Jabbar for most points in your career. It's crazy stuff. And obviously you and Bronte became the first father son duo ever to play in the game. I mean, what what career achievement means to most of you besides the titles? We already talked about titles. Yeah. Like this type of stuff like yeah. Which one is the biggest deal to you? I think besides the titles, you know,

obviously the titles rank right up there. There's something that you you know, when you when you get into it, that's all you play for. When you're able to get with a franchise and y'all all believe in the same thing. It's like special, man. Yeah. We are competing for championships in every year without a question. And when you're able to accomplish that, it's like, that's exactly what the hard work and

dedication for. But for me, you know, obviously when it comes to the titles, that's one separate thing. But to be able to be in this league and playing this league and also being able to do it alongside Brownie right now, that's like one of the biggest accomplishments and probably the number one accomplishment I've ever been able to do. Like to work with your son.

I've heard it from a lot of people and like, not only sports, you know, but I've heard it in business and walks of life and then it's just the greatest greatest thing you could ever ever have and you know to see him every day you know grinding and and going through the going through the process of trying to become who he wants to become while I am you know sitting there and just watching him and doing the things that he wants to do and

being able to just take it all in. It helps me get some of the the the minutes and and and hours and years back that I did not have with them because I was playing so much and on the road and doing my own thing. Traveling. Traveling. Exactly. So to be able to get some of this time back now, man, it's pretty special. He's handled the hype and the scrutiny and everything so perfect and so well.

You had the hype coming out, but there wasn't the expectations of being as great as you. Yeah, and I didn't have to deal, we go back to the social media, I didn't have to deal with the social media trolls either growing up. Oh, that's interesting. You know, and I didn't have to deal with my father being this fucking guy that's on the pedestal,

I have to deal with that, Bronny has to deal with all of that. And if you ever meet Bronnie, then you'll realize, you'll be like, I'm such an idiot to look down on him or not want him to do great. He's the most chill, easy, fun kid in the world. He goes to work, he goes home, he takes care of his body, he plays his video games, he reads a little bit, and then he comes back and does the same thing and he's like the best big brother that his little

brother or little sister could ever have. So, you know, he's dealing with all that too. So, you know, but that's going to make him, I think it's going to make him to be even greater because having to deal with all of the things that he's dealing with and still being able to come back from a life threatening situation and still have that motivation. Still have the motivation. He didn't have to. Ronnie doesn't have to play basketball at all. It's not like he needs the money. Yeah, he's a smart individual.

He can do whatever he wants to do. He can do whatever he wants to do. Like if he wants to be the CEO of my company, he could be that. I'll give that to start teaching them right now to be that if you want to. But he's like, this is my career. This is my goals and this is my aspirations. And I want to play ball. This is something that I love.

And I love that kid. He's awesome. He's awesome. Can't wait to see him. Keep going, man. Man, appreciate it. At what point do you even realize that that's something that can happen like I look at my kids I'm like bro that's insane you're playing with your son in the NBA yeah yeah yeah you also had your first daughter when

you were like 30 right that's fair but either way I just think it's amazing and I don't know it's got to be like at what point do you like I might be able to actually play in the NBA with like was there a moment or like it was you know what It's got to be like, at what point do you like I might be able to actually play in the NBA with like, was there a moment or like, it was a you know what, it's a video clip of me I was that somebody sent to me not too long ago, I think it was about seven years ago. And it's so weird, either seven or five years ago, whatever. I think Ronnie was either in the seventh or eighth grade. And it was my 15th year in the NBA. And I felt incredible. I think that was the year I played all 82 games. I played every playoff game. I think I played like 105 games total that year. And I came out of that season, I felt so damn good. And I think somebody caught me like,

you know, do you ever think that it was a possibility that you may stick around to possibly play with one of your kids? I was like, the way I feel right now, there is a possibility. And just hit you right. They hit me right then and there. And God, God willing, and damn bat crazy shit to me. It happened.

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All right, well, we're going to get to this we got to ask but you don't have to answer section. We're going to rattle off a bunch of questions. Feel free. Tell us to fuck off. Just tell us to fuck off, man. We got it. off, man. We got to know the answers to these ones. Yeah, we usually end all of our conversations with this. So we got a list of questions. Again, you do not have to answer, but we do have to ask them. There's a story about you playing in an infamous pickup game with Michael Jordan when you were 16 years old.

What was it like? Is that true? Like, you tell us how you played. Yeah. So when I finally was able to get on the court, first of all, MJ, Antoine Walker, and the rest of those guys did not let young guys get on the court at all. And I was 16 years old. I was sophomore high school and it takes a while to get on the court. It's usually when the older guys, they get tired and they don't wanna play no more, they like whatever. But I did, and I was able to get on the court alongside, I was on the court with Michael Jordan, Antoine Walker, Penny Hardaway, Ron Artest, Michael Finley, all these guys.

Who guarded you? Nobody, I was unguardable. Oh! Listen, I was unguardable. Oh! Oh! Yeah! Listen, I was 16. I was 16. I was 16. I'm fine as baby. There's a, you know.

With 16, the baby from? Yep, that was the baby from. I was in Chicago at MJ's court. It was called Hoops. There's a clip out right now of actually Metal World Peace talking about that moment as well. Like, I was. Oh man, I gotta check it out.

When I finally got out there, I was like, I'm busting ass, man. I was nervous. I was nervous as hell. Like being out there with MJ and the rest of those guys. But I was like, I was like, oh, I'm about to go crazy. And I did. I did.

Man, I did. I did. That's awesome. Man, I wish I was in that gym that day. That's crazy stuff, man. Well, you see all these shoes behind me, man. You already know I'm a sneakerhead. Oh, I know. I know. I've collected them over the years, man.

Was it always Nike? You used to wear the T-Max at St. Vincent, St. Mary. I think I've seen you wear the old Iversons. Was it always Nike? Trav, no, it was not. It was not always Nike. It was Nike when I was a young kid, when I was a young lad. Obviously, you know, you, you know, I've been in love with Michael Jordan my whole life. So come on, you know, I saw him, uh, Penny Hardaway, you know, King Griffey Jr, Bo Jackson,

I watched all these unbelievable sports figures. So as a kid growing up, it was Nike. Once I got into the AAU program, started playing basketball, Adidas took us over. You know, and it became Adidas. It was Adidas like from seventh, eighth grade to pretty much my junior senior year. They sponsored us every year. We played in all the Adidas tournaments, big time tournament in Vegas and all over the United States of America. So it was, it was Adidas.

And then my senior year, the process began the recruitments, the the Nikes came in and the Adidas was still there Reebok came in and one you know, all these companies came in and I took on three pitches. I did a Adidas pitch. I did a Reebok pitch. I did a Nike pitch. The best pitch that I got where I thought I was going to end up was actually Reebok at one point. Reebok? I went to their meeting. I went to their meeting and I sat down across from their CEO and the guys that was running basketball. At the time, I don't know if you guys remember this, but Reebok had the NFL as well.

Yes. That's what it was when I first got in the league. They had the NFL as well. So they knew my love for football as well. So they had all the NFL jerseys, all the Pro Bowl looking jerseys that was gonna be the next year. And I'm sitting across from the table.

I'm a senior in high school. I actually have to have, I actually go to, I'm going back to class the next day. They flew me in. I'm going back to St. Vincent, St. Mary the next day, my senior year. And the guy slides over a check to me at the end of the table. It was me and my mom and Maverick Carter at the end of the table. And he says, if, if you don't go talk to any other companies, this is yours. And I look at it.

I look at it. 10 million fucking dollars. Oh! 10 million. Just right there as an 18 year old, I was still stealing change out of my dad's fucking piggy bank. I was a high school senior, man. They gave me a check for $10 million.

And if I promise not to go see anybody else, I told him I need a break. They stepped out. I need to fucking break. I can't believe it. I can't believe it. 30. 30. I can't believe it.

I need a timeout. My mom looked at it. And me and my mom, we're living in an apartment. And you know, section 8 housing in Akron. I'm going back. I don't have shit, whatever. And my mom, we're living in an apartment and you know, section eight housing in Akron. I'm going back, I don't have shit, whatever. And my mom looked at me, she said, son, trust your gut. If they're offering you this,

then who knows what the other companies may offer you. Okay, mom. Yeah, ma. She's composed. Yeah, she's super composed. She's like, we ain't got shit already. So it's not like, you know, it changes our life at this moment. Yes, maybe in the future, but I want you to trust your gut

and do what you think is right. That's awesome advice, man. So they came back in. Boop. I said, thank you. I will, you know, I will definitely like to continue our conversation, but I would be remiss if I did not take those other pitches from the other companies. I may have cried on the way home

because I had to live in a tube. Yeah, your question, man, I hope I just made the right decision. I was like, I could have bought the building that me and my mom was living in for that God damn money. What? Easily, easily. You already know. I got a similar, my rookie year, or my rookie contract,

I'm coming up on redoing my rookie contract. And I decide, potentially I'm like, okay, I think I might do this myself. I might forego, it should be my own agent, negotiate my own contract. And thankfully my agents were like, they talked me into like, no, no, no, we need to, you're gonna want an agent, trust me Jason.

They sent over the first offer, and I was like, all right, where do we sign? They're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we need to, you're gonna want an agent, trust me Jason. They sent over the first offer and I was like, all right, where do we sign? They're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We can get up, we can go high, we can go high. Oh man, that's funny as shit. Yeah, that first time you get a check like that thrown in front of you is, you never forget. You never see that many zeros in your life.

Never, never, never. Yes, yes. Man, that's too funny. Have you seen this tweet from 2015? LeBron is 30. This fuckery will go on for much longer. Thank God. By the way, yes, I saw that tweet throughout my all of my 30s And I laughed at it so You know what know what's funny when I turn 40 the same fucking guy said LeBron turn 40 That's fucking gold, man. So good. So good. Look at that. That's so good. Oh my goodness.

Oh my goodness. He's going to be real upset when I turn 50. No doubt. No doubt. That shit was fucking classic, man. Bro, did you ever hoop in a Heights gym? I don't think I hooped in Heights gym, man. I don't think so.

You know what? I was actually thinking about that. And if I don't, I know it was never a game. I never played Cleveland Heights and Cleveland Heights, but I might have been there for maybe a summer league game or just for a run or something. Man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Either way, man. It's a Northeast Ohio forever.

I want to ask one more question. And I know you've talked about this before. How did you do this? From the expectations that were on your feet. Trav, you touched on this. I've just never seen anybody, and I don't know that I ever will, handle every step of the way with such class and grace. I don't know, man. It's just been remarkable to watch the whole journey and to see the whole thing happen.

I know it's not over yet and keep on going. I appreciate it, man. It's just been remarkable to watch the whole journey and to see the whole thing happen. And I know it's not over yet and keep on going, but. I appreciate it, man. What is the wisdom? What's the wisdom to anybody else? Listen, J Trav, man, one, knowing where I came from, you know, you come from Hacker, you come from Cleveland, you come from Northeast Ohio, you know that you are one or two and three in a billion.

And if you get that opportunity, man, one, you can't fuck it up. You just can't. Yeah, gotta lock in, man. Being from a single parent household, and just me and my mom, I have no siblings, seeing the struggle that my mom went through and things of that nature,

that was another thing that I was like, okay, you can't fuck her up. You just just can't, you know, because now you're given this opportunity. Yeah. Then I started thinking about my career. I was like, what do you want to be? And how do you want to be remembered? Like, do you want to just go on just play ball? Or do you actually want to be remembered when you're not playing ball? So like, I took that into consideration. I took that into serious account. I was like, I want to be the greatest that anyone has ever seen in the sport ever and then I was like, okay But in order for that to happen, not only do I got to put the work in on the court I have to make sure that I take care of the business off the court as well

You can't be a shit show. You can't be a piece of shit You can't be doing things that affects anything that has anything to do with your profession and being available to your teammates being available to the franchise being available every time you get out there that causes a distraction. I felt that and when I started to start my family, that was another part and I knew Savannah was the one I started having kids. I was like I didn't have that male influence. My dad wasn't around.

I was like, okay, I can't fuck that up. So like, all of this is like piling on, piling on, and piling on. And yes, with the weight of the world on my shoulders, I remember I did a interview. I wasn't even in the NBA yet. I think I had just got drafted. I did an interview with like Bob Costas or something.

I think it was him. And he said like, how does it feel to know that if you're not a first round ballot Hall of Famer, people will look at you as a failure. I was like, God. I said first ballot Hall of Famer. I'm like 18 years old. I haven't even played the game yet.

Like people look at me as a failure. I was like, oh shit. This is- I haven't even thought about that. I haven't even thought about that. Oh my God. There's people out here that really want me to fail. Oh my goodness.

And I use that as motivation. I was like, I got something for y'all. I got something for y'all. So man, it's a lot, but it's also just like to the young guys out there that feel the pressure, that feel like it's maybe too much. Like if you just put the work in, don't be an asshole, be a good person, you know,

and dedicate yourself to the craft, the game will always be kind to you. That's all. Take care of your body, eat well, you know, give your faith, you know, to the higher aboves because we're nothing without them, obviously. And just be a good person, man. It's not hard to saying thank you, you're welcome, how you doing, have a good day, man. It's not hard. It's not hard to say thank you, you're welcome.

How you doing? Have a good day. All that type of good shit. Like, it's nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with that. Leading your life in the right direction, baby. There it is. There it is.

You get rewarded. Yeah, you get rewarded every time. It's been inspirational the whole way, not just as a player, but I mean, off the field, what you've done from a business side. Like, I should, like, Trav. I know you know this, but the impact you've had on players, not just in basketball, but other sports who have seen the success you've had all walks of life. The empire you've created around yourself, the trust you've been able to have with

the people around you. I mean, all that stuff. I've taken notes since the jump, man. I keep a lot of people very similar to me, close to me and around me in the business profession. And I took notes from you on it. So I appreciate you doing the right things always and forever and I appreciate you coming on tonight, man. Thank you for taking the time. This is an all-timer, friends.

All-timer. Yes, sir. New heights went to a new height today, baby. Let's go, baby. Let's go. Got the king, man. Let's go. Thank you very much, dog. You already know tell the a new height today, baby. Let's go baby. Let's go. Got the king, man. Let's go. Thank you very much, dog.

Hell, you already know tell the family we said hello, man. Absolutely. So much love for you. Best of luck to you in the next game, man. I'll be watching. You know we'll get after it. Yes, I already know. I already know.

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when you sign up for a free 30 day trial at audible.com slash new heights. Holy shit, man, it's just never enough time with my guy, man. I mean, that flew by. I just wanna just grill him. I just wanna grill, and I never wanna grill him whenever I'm hanging out with him.

Like, I never to just bring up. So, was Nike always the, you know what I mean? Just like. Put them on the spot. If you had any advice for someone getting into business venture. Perfect, perfect. That's all I was going to do. Just keep grilling them. Man, he's the best though, man. No doubt. What a good dude, man. Ah, that was the Cleveland kid in me.

Whenever we talk to just some Northeast Ohio guys or girls, it just comes out of me. I feel like I'm like 15 all over again. It's fun stuff right there. There is flour everywhere. Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious. You're like George Washington. Oh look, it's George. Quick divisional round. Look ahead. Let's talk a little football. Even though we just talked to the previous week with LeBron and DraftKings,

any surprises from you specifically on last week's matchups and the outcomes? Nothing that's right. In in the playoffs anybody can win. That's why it's the playoffs, right? So nothing that surprising play off your Tampa was one of my sleeper teams. I really thought Baker Mayfield The only part of the season where they dipped down a little bit was when Evans and Godwin got hurt and they weathered that storm Pretty well, I keep thinking Washington doesn't have the roster this year, and they keep proving me wrong. So I'm going to stop thinking that. You know what I mean? Like I just, I keep thinking they're just a year away from having the guys to really get it done. But, man, Dan Quinn, Jaden Daniels has been playing out of his mind all year. He's taking care of the ball, man.

And they're stopping the run. I thought Bucky Irvin was going to have a hell of a day and he played well, but I don't know. I keep thinking that somebody's going to have a game where they just kind of dominate the trenches on both sides of the ball and it's just not happening. Tampa Bay didn't play bad. It was a good game. They had a couple of mistakes at the end that really hurt them. But Washington also was, I mean, they had a couple of fourth down calls that kept Tampa in it. You know what I mean? I think the Washington punt, they're putting like what? None? No punts, no turnovers.

They were moving the ball. They were putting together sustained drives. I've been impressed with Washington all year, but I didn't think that this would be their year to compete with the big dogs. And I didn't think that this would be their year to compete with the big dogs. And I've been proven wrong, clearly. Jaden Daniels has had a tremendous season. Their whole defense has been galvanized on an organization and team that I think has lacked a lot of, you know, hope and like leadership a little bit. Like with the whole Dan Snyder thing. And I think Rivera is a phenomenal coach. I just, it felt like that organization was missing something. And for this to turn around this quickly

has been remarkable. Shout out to all those guys, man. And Bobby Wagner still playing lights out. It's been awesome to watch. My man, Zach Ertz is out there ballin'. Ertz. Man, I love seeing him get after, still in his career, man. For sure.

You know, shout out to Baker on a great year. I know it's not the way those guys wanted it. I'm just happy that he's found a home down there in Tampa playing well. I mean, I'm right there with you. I thought that was the one upset that I didn't see coming. And they got to really, I mean, I think they're the ones playing the Lions, right? They're playing the Lions this week. This will be a big one.

Yeah. I mean, if you can stop the run. Bro, well, this is the one. I don't know, man. They play so well. They're so well coached on offense and defense, Washington and Detroit. Every time I think they're going to get run on, Dan Quinn and this defensive line shows up.

Bobby Wagner starts making plays. The Eagles had a couple big counter runs on them early the last time they played Washington. Saquon had a big run. He was like over a hundred yards in the first like quarter damn near. And then right after that, you see Bobby start scraping over the top of the tight end and ruining that play. It's a vet man. To put it in, Jonathan Gany used to use this word all the time, they're salty, man. They find a way to get it done. They're a resilient group.

And now they find themselves playing in the divisional round. And it's been an incredible year for Watchadin. I would be beyond shocked if they get it done against Detroit this week too. But at some point, it's just they're having a great year. The quarterback is playing really well. They're well coached. And it seems like they're a great group together. So kudos to Washington for getting it done.

Shout out to the commanders, baby. Let's let's speak in the next week. Let's go ahead and talk some some divisional around football, baby. OK, OK. Well, we got Chiefs Texans. How do you feel 25 days since you last played on Christmas. How about that? You got to feel pretty fresh. Well, I mean, I've been getting after it. I've been getting after it. Never too fresh. You got to keep the wear and tear on the body. You can't let your body get out of the zone.

You know what I mean? You got to stay in the zone. That's why we were in pads this week. We had one practice in pads and we got after it ones on ones a little bit and that keeps you in the groove, right? That keeps you feeling football. It keeps you kind of having that endurance, that muscle memory that you need to come out and play fast man. But the Texans, I mean, you want to talk about playing fast, that D line, that defense. It's, it's, It's a real deal right there. And they showed it this past weekend against the Chargers and what they can do. And they can create turnovers.

They're a tough team. They're a tough team, man. And I'm excited for the challenge, man. Their secondary is very good. They can match up with pretty much any team in the league. Their defensive line plays very aggressive. They're well coached with D'Amico-Oriens. Matt Burke, dude, it's crazy how many staff members I know for the Texans.

D'Amico-Oriens I played with. Burke, the DC, was with me in Philly with Jim Schwartz. Corey Unlin was with me in Philly. Billy Davis was the DC with Chip. Nate Ali is the defensive line coach. Like dude, I know the entire fucking defensive staff. I was doing one of the games and he just kept walking by. I'm like, God damn, you old motherfuckers are over here.

They're well coached, they play physical, they play fast. They got a great group, really do. So it's gonna be a challenge for you guys. Shout out to Houston and good luck this week. You got any, what's the keys to victory? The keys to victory man. I haven't heard about that. Play physical. Just give the don't turn the ball over. Don't turn the ball over. Get out to a fast start. It's like the head coach for the keys of victory just has like a running like seven list of like what it could possibly be.

And it's just how do I rearrange into three keys? Turnovers is always there. Take care of the football. Which I mean, playoff football. Got to control the line of scrimmage. Got to control the line of scrimmage. It's a big boys up front. You guys control this thing.

That's that's going to indicate the outcome right there. Yeah. Nah, man. Got to play complimentary all three phases. Got to play together. It's football. It's not that hard, ladies and gentlemen. Everybody knows that those are the things that you got to do.

Okay, so the same thing that works every week for victory's got to do. Okay, do those. That's the one, Jason. That's the one. No. Obviously, this team plays very, very well together, man. And it's going to take all 11 on the one. No, obviously this team plays very, very well together, man. And it's gonna take all 11 on the field. Yeah.

It just said another one of them right there. You can't stop. Like it always comes out to that. It's just the same thing every single time. No, man. Gotta punch it in the mouth. Gotta punch it right in the mouth. Well, let's talk a little Eagles Rams.

Yeah. The Rams coming into town. You think Saquon scores instead of slides this week? Dude, I was like, just go score, baby. And what was he's like, I didn't want to put the defense back out in the field. Is that was the I mean, yeah, you never know what happens. I remember I remember a play similar play happening where

we ended up scoring a touchdown. The defense goes back out there and somebody gets banged up and misses the next week. So it's like, yeah, I mean, I get it. I'm going down at the one though. Get all of my yards I can, but then I mean, I don't know. Man, that's where he's at and I'm here. Anyways. Selfless, selfless. Absolutely selfless, man. And he's been like that the whole year. So he's just the ultimate team player. I expect nothing less.

Definitely would have scored if it was me, but that's why I don't play running back in the NFL and get 2000 yards. There you go. You did average nine yards of carry though in high school. Oh yeah. I ran all over that turf over in Lakewood. I was flying on that Astro turf. These kids nowadays don't know what turf is.

Yes. He's that, you ever heard of AstroTurf? It's carpet over a parking lot. People don't even know. It's carpet over a parking lot. People call, well we play on now turf, in AstroTurf. I'm like, no, this is different, this is field turf. No, this is completely different, all right?

You don't. This isn't carpet. You don't have to put strips of tape so that your skin doesn't get scrubbed off. We bring extra bottles. When the trainers bring extra bottles of... Was it peroxide? Yes. All right.

Because we're fucking all day just fucking dumping it on wounds. Everybody leaves with a raspberry. If you didn't leave with a raspberry, I don't want you playing. But but I'll tell you what when you're young and it doesn't hurt your joints It's fun because you're fast you are Yeah Everyone everyone brings tennis shoes instead of cleats It's like a reminder to everybody the day before and don't come with your cleats tomorrow guys. I had those little nubs I had like actual Astro turf cleats. Dude, yeah.

Those are the best. Yeah. Well, that's impressive. Yeah. I just had basketball shoes. It works too. There you go. But yeah, no, I'm excited about this game. I mean, the Rams, obviously, I was just there this Monday. They played a phenomenal game against the Vikings, Matthew Stafford.

They're clicking on all cylinders right now in LA. So it's going to be a great game. It's in the link. The Eagles got the better of the Rams last time they played, but the Rams have been getting better. They played so fast this past week. And I don't know if it was having the week off the week before where they rested some of their starters, but they look like a very, very good football team right now. Matthew's still slinging that ball as good as he ever has. He's slinging it around out there. So yeah, it's gonna be a tough game for the Eagles, but yeah, it'll be a fun one.

Let's keep this thing moving, man. Hopefully we can get this dub this weekend, man, and keep our Playoff hopes alive, baby. Hey, you know. Super Bowl hopes alive. Finally, last week, we promised we would do a blind ranking of Will Ferrell movies this episode. Oh yeah, let's get it going, baby. That's right.

So, intern Brandon, please do the honors. Trying to remember all of Will's movies, he's got so many. So, pulled these off of his top 10 on IMDB. So. Is this in order? Are we seeing one? No, no, you're seeing them. These are just numbers. These are just numbers. Don't mean anything right now. pulled these off of his top 10 IMDB. So. Is this in order? Are we seeing one? No, no, you're seeing them.

These are his numbers. These are just, numbers don't mean anything right now. Just the first, first movie, please. I kind of feel like you would have gone in order. You don't, you're sneakier than that. Give me some fucking credit. Movie number one, Step Brothers. Fuck.

This is a top, this is definitely a top if not one it's top. I'm trying to figure what's better than step brothers, dude It's so fucking good. Like I could watch it right the fuck now, which is damn near every movie Wills in but I know I'm going It feels weird to put the first movie we see at number one When... Fuck. It feels weird to put the first movie we see at number one. That's a risk. But we wouldn't be wrong.

That's a risk. No, it's definitely not wrong. I mean, this is a lot of people's number ones. It might be my number one. I'm trying to like... I love old school. I really do love old school, Step Brothers. But that...

I feel like that wasn't as much... Talented nights gets better and better every time. And Anchorman. I'm sorry. I'm putting Anchorman... If this is Will Ferrell, a movie like old school, he wasn't the lead. That's fair.

That's fair to say. You know what I mean? I will say this. Although he did, he made probably the most impression on me as a kid, as Frank the Tank. Like does he get considered, like is Wedding Crashers a Will Ferrell movie? Even though he's not the main guy.

Wedding Crashers. He's, mom, the meatloaf! Oh yeah, no, you can't put him in there. He's in a lot of ones. When I think of Wedding Crashers, I don't think of Will. Yeah, you think of Vince Vaughn. Think of, god dang, what's the other guy with the crooked nose, what's his name?

Wilson. Owen. Wilson, Owen Wilson. The crooked nose, Jesus, Jason. I'm gonna put it at two or three, just because I think Anchorman's my favorite movie Anchorman's my favorite. I love it. Let's go to I to second movie up I've been thinking we're gonna forget about one talladega. You're in my wheelhouse right now Brandon. You are in my fucking wheelhouse I mean, it's gotta be three if we're going anchorman's one. It's so good

And it's one of those that every time you see it. It just gets better Sure, it's so good. And it's one of those that every time you see it, it just gets better. Fuck you're right. God, it's so good. It's gotta be three. It can't be one. I'm just curious what else is on this list. He's had so many movies. It's hard to remember all of them all like off the top of your head. I got, I think it's either three or four. I can't go lower than that. It's the, yeah, it's three. I'm going three. It's two if it's not one.

It's so fantastic. So it's got to be three. I love the ballad of Ricky Bobby. Next movie. Oh, so good. The Other Guys. Great movie. Great movie. God damn it. Does this go four? Fuck. There's so many good ones.

This one's more of an underrated one and I don't exactly know why because it's absolutely incredible. Dude, it's absolutely incredible. Dude, it is so good. I'm going to say it's below Elf and Anchorman for me. I also think it's probably below old school even though he's not the main in old school. It's just more of an iconic movie. This one never got the level of notoriety that all the other ones did for whatever reason. I don't really know why.

I don't really look at. I don't really. It was absolutely hilarious. Movie reviews or ratings. I just watched the movies and this is up there for me. So I'm going six. I'm going six. No, that's gotta be five. All right, I'll go five.

I'm missing so much. I'll concede. His movies are so good that I can't even imagine putting anything at 10. This is where we're going to have to start putting some of these movies down though, Travis. We have to. All right, next one. Next movie, old school.

See, just because it's... God, he's... It's Frank the Tank, man. It's Frank the Tank. It's Frank the Tank. It's iconic. He goes streaking to the quad. You're fucking crazy, man.

Do you think KFC is still open? You're fucking crazy. I love you. We're going straight. Yeah, Frank, the whole town knows you had a good time last night. I think, I think Elf and Anchorman are one and four. Those are the two that we got to leave. No way, not four. No. No, I'm saying Elf and Anchorman are one and four. I'm saying seven. I'm saying this is seven. Old school is seven? Yeah, I'm saying seven. Just because he's not the main? Yeah. If I'm just rating the movie, I'd put it up higher. Can we go six? No, dude. There's so many good Will Ferrell movies we're missing. But this movie is fantastic. It is. It's immense. The cast is incredible. The movie is great. Are we rating this on a Will Ferrell scale or just like the best movies that will ferrell has been

It that's a that's I've been going off of a will ferrell scale. Come on now. Give me a number just go seven, dude Reluctantly, I just disagree. All right, they go six fine six. I Kind of go for then go for fuck it. Just get me through this Jesus Next movie a night at the Roxbury, that's what I'm talking about Well, this is a guilty pleasure for us. This one is so pissed that we didn't talk this Because it started off on SNL and it became a fucking... Full on movie. And then I used to work out at Jake Lazer's gym, Unbreakable, on Roxbury Road.

There we go. Shout out to Jake Lazer and Unbreakable. Okay, Larry Legend, shout out to Larry Legend. I love this movie. It is an all time favorite of mine. It is so fucking good. I feel like Night at the Roxbury, even though it's one of our favorites, It is an all time favorite of mine. Chris Tantan, Will Ferrell. I feel like Night at the Roxbury, even though it's one of our favorites, objectively not one of his better films.

I think you gotta go seven or eight. I'll go eight. Eight? All right, eight. Locking in at eight, next movie, Elf. This is where we've ran into troubles. We have to leave one open for Anchorman. I got you a little bit.

No, 100%. I front loaded it. I got you. So I say six. I got you a little bit. No front-loaded it. I got you So I say six cool Kicking in screen. This is what I'm saying. This is what I'm fucking saying, man It's a good movie, but I feel very confident. This is outside of that top six we have right now All right seven then because I'm it's up there for me. You put this at seven I love kicking and screaming. Is it better than blades of glory? Is it better than semi-pro?? Is it better than Semi Pro? I think this one's 10 for me.

I think it's a good movie. I mean, listen, there's not a bad Will Ferrell movie. 90th of the Roxbury should have been 10. Wait, where did you put that? 10. 10. This is 10. Interesting.

I love that. Next movie. Semi Pro. I'll go 9. Semi Pro.-pro. 9 this is yeah we're on the same page. I fucking love Jackie Moon though man. What a character. All these movies are fantastic. Next up we have Blades of Glory. 7. Dude if you do not have Anchorman with this last film. He's such an asshole if he doesn't have Anchorman. He did I'm gonna be top 10 so it has to be Anchorman. I don't even need to see it. All right, last movie, Anchorman.

Yeah! I feel good about this list. Do you remember Anchorman 2? Yes. Oh yeah. Dude. It's actually really good. It's so, you wanna talk about the movie that gets better as you get older

That movie is so fucking funny. Oh my god. That shit is fucking gold. Look at that cast. Oh Man, I gotta fucking grill my guy Paul Rudd about that movie man. I just gotta I need to know more I feel pretty good about this list. It's a solid list. This is a pretty solid list Would we change anything with it? Not probably I probably switch night at the Roxbury and screaming or Or semi-pro. I think that one was kind of just a silly one where these ones actually like the character was like I Don't know just I just felt like those characters were better. Night of the Roxbury is a guilty pleasure of ours though. People are going to want Elf higher. Elf's going to get some tweets.

Well, initially I was already Elf for four, but he's got so many great movies. I don't think Elf is better than, I mean, I might put it above other guys. Probably other guys in old school for me. I'm not putting it above old school. Old school is too iconic to me. God damn it's good. I love Talladega Knights with a passion. It's so god damn much. I feel very confident. Anchorman and Stepbrothers are one and two though. Yeah. I think we killed the first, the top three. Any issues with the list, please tweet at jchat85. I think that was Jake's handle. Please let him know. Tell us how you feel in 92 I'm him specifically how you feel tell me fuck that get him

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