Newcomers: Scorsese, with Nicole Byer and Lauren Lapkus - Avengers: Endgame (w/ Joel Kim Booster)
Episode Date: June 28, 2022All good Avengery things must come to an end. Comedian/writer/actor and creator of Fire Island (arguably the best film outside the MCU), Joel Kim Booster joins Nicole and Lauren to wave a te...ary goodbye to the ensemble-est part of the franchise. They also do some NSFW Marvel-related shopping on Etsy.com, a sentence that none of us ever thought we'd ever write, ever. Next week's movie: WandaVision, Episodes 1-4 (2021) Like the show? Rate Newcomers 5 stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Nicole and Lauren to read on the pod! Follow the podcast on Letterboxd. Advertise on Newcomers via Gumball.fmSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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God, it seems like a thousand years ago, I fought my way out of that cave, became Iron Man.
Realized I loved you.
I realized I loved you.
I know I said no more surprises,
but I was really hoping to pull off one last one.
The world has changed.
None of us can go back.
All we can do is our best.
And sometimes the best that we can do...
is to start over.
I saw all these people die.
I keep telling everybody they should move on.
Some do.
But not us.
Even if there's a small chance,
we owe this to everyone who's not in this room to try.
We will.
Whatever it takes.
Whatever it takes.
Whatever it takes. Thank you. Wow. It's another episode of Newcomers.
Oh my God.
I just got off a plane and watched a three-hour movie.
I feel insane.
That's a lot to do right after landing.
It is. It is. That's a lot to do right after landing. It is.
It is.
That's called homework.
That's homework.
That's dedication to the art form of podcasting.
You are dedicated.
Oh, my God.
I'm going to be a Looney Tune this episode.
Well, this is Newcomers.
We're covering the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
I'm Lauren Lapkus.
And I'm tired. I'm Nicole Lapkus. And I'm tired.
I'm Nicole Byer.
This is the 17th episode of the fifth season.
Wait, that's a really good thing.
We're almost done.
We don't have that many left.
I thought we had more left.
Oh, my God.
No.
Okay, we're working our way through the whole Marvel Cinematic Universe with the help of
fellow newcomers, super fans, sometimes even people who've contributed to the films.
And it's going to be a 20-episode season.
So we're
almost done oh my god um obviously we won't get to everything but today we will be discussing the
fourth fourth this is the fourth i thought it was the third i thought it was the second oh shit
no no no no no no you know i have yes there have been because this was the third this is this oh
okay this is the sequel to that you know we can't. Oh, okay. This is the sequel to the, you know, whatever.
We can't, we can't, we can't.
Whatever.
We don't know everything, but we've seen everything.
Okay, it's Avengers Endgame 2019 is when it came out.
And it's on Disney Plus and Amazon, Apple, Google Play, Vudu.
And we're going to spoil it.
We're going to spoil the fuck out of this movie.
Wait, okay, Lauren, before we introduce our lovely guest,
what are your initial thoughts on this three-hour-long
movie that could have ended
several times? I thought it was going to end
several times, and it didn't, and then I would
go, oh, shit, there's another two hours left.
Like, no idea what's going on.
I thought it was very long, yes, I
did, but I also thought it was
one of the smartest
movies that we've watched. They had many storylines, timelines to weave together.
Lots of jumping back and forth. And it all made sense. I actually was like, wow,
that's actually really impressive that they did that. So that part I was really I really liked.
I was like, wow, that's smart. What did you think?
I thought it was smartly done. I really liked Infinity War.
The more I thought about it, I was like, no, I actually like enjoyed that movie.
So I was very excited to figure out how the dust people came back.
Well, yeah, I was looking forward to that.
Yeah.
And I liked how they explained it.
I like Doctor Strange being like, I can't tell you what's up.
No, no, no, no, no.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I thought it was really fun i will say scarlett
johansson whoever's doing her wigs hates her like really hates her to the point where i was like
this i would be offended like i would look in the mirror every day and be like why i have to go look
at the picture again to see her so they did this insane thing where they pretended that she grew out a wig where she had
a blonde bob the ombre red her natural red hair so to insinuate she never got a haircut in five
years what the they really did her dirty they don't like it was really wild i was wondering
about that hair um not during it and if it was like was like an exciting spoiler,
like what does it mean
that her hair looks like that?
Like, I don't know.
I thought that at some point.
But I also thought
maybe it was her real hair
for a second
because I'm really stupid.
And then I was like,
what if she went out like that
and everyone was like,
oh, I guess her character
is going to do that.
And of course,
it's not real.
The bob might have been her hair
because that was like
a pretty okay wig
if it was a wig,
but also could have been her hair.
I'm not sure. We would have to ask Scar Jo. Yeah, but also could have been her hair. I'm not sure.
We would have to ask Scar Jo.
Yeah.
Well, I know why her hair looked like that.
Ooh!
Oh!
Let's introduce our guest.
It's Joel Kim Booster, actor, writer, comedian who wrote and produced and starred in Fire
Island, which is streaming now on Hulu, currently starring on Apple TV Plus show called Loot,
which premiered last week, plus a stand-up special, Psychosexual, dropped on Netflix
too.
Ooh, Joel Kim Booster, tell us about that hair.
Oh my God, we're so excited to hear.
Well, it's very clear,
her colorist turned into a dust person,
and then she couldn't find another one.
Oh my God.
She was calling around, she couldn't find,
every colorist was taken in the snap.
Every single colorist.
Just by coincidence
yeah
they all got snapped to dust
yeah
that's really stressful
I love that
I love that I rushed
your intro for that
can I just say
and it was totally worth it
but can I just jump back
and say
Fire Island is so fantastic
we were talking about it
a little before we started
but I want everyone
to go watch it
because I loved it
thank you guys so much
I just thought it was so great thank you I'm excited to watch your it because I loved it. Thank you guys so much. It was so great.
I'm excited to watch your Netflix special. Me too.
That new show called Loot is with
Maya Rudolph and that looks really good. That looks fun.
Yeah. I keep joking. I keep
telling people I'm on the Nicole Byer schedule
right now. It sounded like a
Nicole Byer bio.
Yeah. Things just dropping
all at once and then you go, now I have
time.
I'm on, I'm on the Nicole Byer schedule, except I do not have time to juggle eight podcasts.
Somehow.
Like, I feel so bad.
I used to have a podcast called Urgent Care.
I loved it so much.
It was Mitra Johari.
And we both were like, we're too busy to do this now.
Meanwhile, you and Bowen Yang, two of the busiest people in Hollywood.
Yeah.
Have somehow managed to maintain all of their podcasts.
It's called being mentally ill and loving to talk.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think that's a factor.
Especially for this one where we have to watch so much. Yeah.
And Lauren, you literally have a child and you've managed to make it work.
A whole ass baby.
Yeah.
I was like, I can't do once a week.
I can't do it.
It starts to feel crazy sometimes, but I do think Zoom has made it a lot better.
Imagine if you were still running around everywhere.
It would not be possible.
I do not know how I did that before the pandemic.
I don't know how I did in-person podcasting ever.
I know.
It's so much driving.
Too much.
Well, all right. Joel, please. What was
your first experience with Marvel? How did you get into it? So here's the thing about me. I am
a dyed in wool comic book geek. I have like the first thing I ever bought with my allowance when
I was nine years old was a comic book. I am, I will say, I lean heavily DC.
Like those were mostly the comic books
that I bought growing up were DC.
But I will say the Marvel comic books
that I did follow really closely were X-Men and Avengers.
Like I was really big into team books.
I love when they team up.
I love when they're all together,
the drama, the soapiness of when
superheroes are together in a room. And so like the Marvel movies are for me, like they really are
for me, especially like these first couple of phases of the MCU, I think like really scratched
an itch in the back of my brain. I will say Endgame is one of my
favorite of the MCU movies, but I also think that it is one of the MCU movies where you see it start
to come apart at the seams, the shared universe of it all. And I do think it's a sharp decline
after Endgame. I really do. I think that the movies and especially some of the television stuff
that they try to do, it's just
becoming unwieldy.
They are losing control
of the thread. And I'm sure there is
someone whose job it is to make sure that
the continuity is
coherent
across all movies and
television. But it is not
they're not doing a great job anymore.
And I think you're,
and I think you start to see it
in Endgame actually
with certain threads
and certain storylines.
But by and large,
like I will say,
I have seen the last hour of Endgame
no less than 21 times
because when it was available on Delta,
whenever I like, whenever I would have not enough time to watch an actual movie i would be like oh we're landing let me go
to the end of end game and watch the amazing fight scene when all of them come back because that
that is what you want like that is all i ever wanted growing up and as being an adult is
watching all of these superheroes
communicating and coordinating and fighting and teaming up in little battles.
It is everything that I have ever wanted.
To me, it is the same thing as this is a bad movie that everyone hates, but Attack of the
Clones, at the end of that movie, when all of the Jedi come out and are fighting together,
when you see more than one Jedi
it is everything to me
everything
it's funny because I saw Attack of the Clones
and I have no clue what you're talking about
you know what's really funny
when you said Attack of the Clones
I pictured Mars attacks
and I was like oh I've never seen that
but we did a whole podcast about Star Wars
and I did not know what you were talking about
I was like the Jedi are in the Mars movie
I was like what? I'm so the Mars movie? I was like, what?
I'm so out of it.
That is so funny.
So wait, what I was hearing,
and I want to know more about this,
because when we've been watching Avengers,
I struggle when they all get together.
I don't love when they're all hanging out.
Me either.
I don't like when they're all hanging out.
I want them to do their own thing.
And I want to know why you like them.
But I didn't mind it in this one.
But like,
I think you're like still,
okay,
so now I remember
the first two
were Joss Whedon ones
where they were like
being quippy or whatever.
That's what we didn't like.
Yeah.
But this one,
I felt like there was
like actual emotional stakes.
Well,
and then there is like,
spiritually,
this is the fifth Avengers movie
because you,
there is an argument
to be made
that Captain America Civil War is sort of a low-key Avengers movie because that's the one where they fight and they all get together and they fight.
Here's the thing, and I think that this is just built into me as a comic book fan.
can only really afford one or two comic books every week, I would always gravitate towards Justice League or Avengers because it felt like sort of maximizing like what I was getting for
my money. Cause it was like, Oh, if I, if I buy a Batman comic book, I'm only getting Batman.
If I buy Justice League, I'm getting Batman. I'm getting Wonder Woman. I'm getting Plastic Man.
I'm getting Huntress. I'm getting allastic Man. I'm getting Huntress. I'm getting all of these secrets. Plastic Man? Yeah, baby!
Plastic Man!
I'm googling him now. Plastic Man
is DC.
Basically, he has the same powers as Mr. Fantastic.
He's stretchy, but
he's funny and quippy. He's amazing.
You gotta check out Plastic Man. And he's wearing
some shorts. Come on, this
belt. Yes. And these sunglasses. This is gotta check out plastic man and he's wearing some shorts come on this belt yeah it's very
this is wild yeah i love plastic man yeah you gotta i that's who i want to play in a super
movie is plastic man i mean i would love to see you in these shorts in this belt
yeah i don't think the cgi is quite there yet. But once the CGI catches up to me,
then I am willing to play Plastic Man.
But yeah, I think that's partially why I like the teen ones a lot,
is that it's just built into what I enjoy about superhero comic books,
is especially the big group battle scenes.
I find the way they're choreographed and the way that,
especially the way they're choreographed and the way that like, especially the way they like sort of weave in.
In Endgame especially, there's a lot of fan service or a lot of like gestures at sort of like arcs that the characters have within the battles.
You know, like seeing certain people like return and fight alongside one another is really exciting to me.
And just like even small things.
This is so dumb, actually.
I find this to be a really stupid part of the movie.
And yet it really like I cheered when I saw it was like Gwen Paltrow showing up in her own Iron Man suit.
I enjoyed it.
Yeah, I enjoyed it.
I loved it.
I love her.
It's crazy. She has no
training. She has never been in a fight
before. And her
first foray into battling
is the one battle
where the fate of the universe is at
stake. Like, it is crazy.
But it's so on game
for Gwyneth as a human
and for Pepper Potts in the movie.
Because in this movie, I was like, does she know which Avengers the movie because in this movie I was like does she know which
Avengers movie she's in?
She was just like whatever yeah Tony
we have a kid now seems nice
like I just I love Gwyneth
Paltrow. I know
I love that story of how she didn't know
what movie she was in
it's just so great
well they do that all the time
my other favorite part about Endgame and Infinity War, actually, is this, is that they managed to get every single person who has ever appeared in a Marvel movie back.
They even got Natalie Portman back for one day of reshoots for Endgame.
Okay.
They got everyone.
Except for Lupita.
Lupita Nyong'o. She said,
no thank you. Actually,
I'm doing an off
Broadway play. That's
literally why she didn't do
this movie. I love that. Because she
did an off Broadway play
and I think that is so funny.
I would just love to be a fly on
the wall in the conversation between her reps
and the Marvel people.
Really?
She's not going to come back?
And she's like, no, she can.
It's live.
It's eight days a week.
She can't do it.
It's at Playwrights Horizons in New York City.
That's awesome.
I love that so much.
Also, like, that's powerful to be like. It's very powerful. No, I won't. I love that so much. Also, like, that's powerful to be like.
It's very powerful.
No, I won't.
I don't need it.
I'm going to do something artful.
That literally, that literally maybe one, like, 60th of the people who saw Endgame saw the play that she was in.
And she still was like, like, what a power move.
Like, what a power move.
I wish I got to see the play to go,
the play was worth it.
We need the facts.
Wait, should we get into the Daily Bugle?
Yes.
Okay, the Daily Bugle is our new segment, Bebop.
It's a...
We're going to give a recap of what's going on.
The sound effect is getting further away from the title, so it's making less're gonna give a recap of what's going on the sound effect is getting further away
from the title
so it's making
less and less sense
it was like
so far
like bee bop
that's the bugle noise
that's what a bugle is
okay so
Nico Santos
from Superstore
and Crazy Rich Asians
is the latest actor
to join Guardians
of the Galaxy
Volume 3
which is so exciting
I love Nico
I love Nico so much
and I'm so happy for him
and I can't wait to see what crazy
little alien he gets to play
in this next movie.
Those movies have a lot of fun
roles, for sure.
Okay, Deadline announced that
Jake Schreier will direct the newly
announced MCU film Thunderbolt,
which revolves around a team of Marvel villains and
antiheroes who are hired by the government sort of like Marvel's version of the Suicide Squad.
Oh.
Are you familiar with Thunderbolts, Joel?
Yes, I am familiar with Thunderbolts. And that is what I think Julia Louis-Dreyfus is sort of
sneaking around the MCU, sort of compiling the team that will then eventually become the
Thunderbolts.
Oh.
And it's in, she shows up,
technically she shows up first in Falcon and Winter Soldier,
a Disney Plus show.
Julie Louis-Dreyfus?
This is so interesting. Yes, but she was supposed,
her first appearance was supposed to be in the Black Widow movie,
but then because of COVID, the timing of it all got fucked up.
And so it sort of sucks that the first time you see her
isn't on the TV show,
because when you see her in Black Widow,
you're like, oh, that lady from the TV show is in the movie.
Yeah.
Whereas if it happened the other way,
you'd be like, oh, that lady from the movie
is in this TV show?
That legitimizes this TV show.
Yeah, for sure.
Instead, it sort of delegitimizes the movie in a weird way.
But yeah, I have a lot of issues with the, again, it's coming off the rails.
Like they just are losing control because there's too many, they've got their hands in too many pots.
Wait, did Black Widow come out after Endgame?
Yes.
But she did.
It takes place before the events of Endgame.
So it takes place while she's on the run,
like somewhere in the world before Infinity War, basically.
It's like between Civil War and Infinity War, basically.
Yeah, yeah.
Which is one of the reasons why we're not watching it,
because that's just so depressing and complicated.
And we don't want to confuse you two.
Thank you.
Our brains are so very small.
Mine hurts.
Yeah, it hurts all the time.
Another piece of news is the Miss Marvel Twitter account
posted a handwritten letter from Malala.
Is that how I say her name?
Thanking them for reflecting a Pakistani American family on screen.
Wow.
So she wrote this note.
That's sweet.
It's a handwritten note, and it says,
It is not every day that I turn on the TV and find a character who eats the same foods,
listens to the same music, or uses the same Urdu phrases as me.
What a joy to see Ms. Marvel reflect the lives of a Pakistani immigrant family
and reveal a young superhero whose powers
connect to her heritage. Thank you, Marvel
and Disney+, and most importantly, Miss Marvel.
Oh, how nice. Oh, that's sweet.
That is very exciting. It's the power of a
handwritten letter. Yeah. Also,
this cursive.
It's nice. I know. Yeah. I don't write in cursive
at all. Oh, I do
often. Really? It is sort of...
It's really disappointing
that Malala, after all
she's been through, is being forced to acknowledge
the MCU.
I know. What are the other notes
she's writing throughout the day?
She just wrote a note to Ms. Marvel, but
I'm sure she's got different things.
I can't believe the MCU is the first time we're seeing
this kind of representation on television.
And it's sad.
It is kind of wild.
That is crazy.
But good for them.
But good for them.
And I've heard Ms. Marvel is so good.
We got chills watching the trailer.
We did.
It's a definite improvement
than the last couple of entries that they've had
in the TV side, for sure.
I will say that. What is they've had in the TV side, for sure. I will say that.
What is your favorite thing on the TV side?
I think WandaVision was probably the best.
WandaVision and Loki, I think, were the best and most realized versions of them.
And I think that it's also partially because they were just at the start
and they felt, at least WandaVision at the time, felt like the right amount of connected to the larger universe without it, while also allowing it to be its own thing.
But now since Captain Marvel, sorry, Doctor Strange has come out, Doctor Strange weirdly sort of, I don't know, it minimizes her journey in WandaVision in a weird way that I didn't enjoy. I don't know it it minimizes her journey in wandavision in a weird way that like i didn't
enjoy i i don't know it it it complicates it certainly in a way that i don't necessarily
think worked but i did enjoy the show and the movie don't come for me well the show i know
is her like dealing with vision's death but i'm, at the end of Endgame, she seemed pretty okay.
Yeah, I think
it's a deeper exploration of her grief,
which is really interesting. And Elizabeth Olsen,
I will say, is amazing
in both WandaVision and
Doctor Strange. She's such a great actress.
She's so, so good. I think
WandaVision is worth
watching just for her performance alone,
I think. But it's weird because in WandaVision is worth watching just for her performance alone, I think. But it's weird because, like, in WandaVision,
she, like, comes to terms with the loss of her love, Vision,
and also the loss of her fake children that she creates with magic.
And then in Doctor Strange, it's like, never mind, she didn't.
Yeah, she's still real mad.
That's sort of the problem that I have
with what I mean when I talk about
that it's sort of coming apart at the seams
because what they're doing,
and it actually reflects what happens in comic books a lot,
where it's like you have the individual books,
like the Scarlet Witch comic book,
a lot is going on in there.
And then you introduce her in another,
she has an arc in someone else's comic book and said, and it doesn't always connect. Like it doesn't always feel consistent
and that is fine in comic books. But I think for the movies and the television shows,
you do want a little bit more consistency over in terms of the growth that you're seeing these
characters have. I will say in Endgame, a perfect example of this is Thor.
Like the entire point of Ragnarok
is that Thor grows as a person.
He decides to lead his people.
He decides to step up and lead his people
and like really get himself together.
And then they completely ignore that growth in Endgame
in order to make a visual fat joke,
basically about Thor.
I know. I was like, I didn't love that.
And it's so annoying. It's so annoying.
And it's like nothing. Like, it's just like, okay. I thought that was really dumb. Because
I also, I started liking his character in such a new way after Ragnarok.
Yeah.
And it did feel really cheap.
Yeah. I also didn't understand the choice because he like kills thanos
and then he like gets sad about his mom and gets sad about a whole bunch of other stuff and i was
like why well and the thing is is there's certainly uh interesting story to tell about like his him
feeling like a failure in all those ways but they didn't have the bandwidth to do it in this movie.
And so instead they decided to make him fat as a sort of funny joke.
And it like, as like to just sort of truncate that story
and sort of boil it down to that.
And that is what I found like sort of, I don't know.
It really did feel like the Russo brothers were like,
fuck Ragnarok.
We don't care about the growth that this character experienced.
And like, we're just going to do our own thing and like have him go on his own journey in our movies
instead and that is where I'm like if you have a character that grows in a way that may be
inconvenient for your story you should have to deal with it and like figure out a new way a new
arc for your for this character to go on in your movie. Because then even at the end of Endgame,
when he's like, he goes to Valkyrie
and he's like, you should lead our people.
It's like, no, that's like,
I get that for story reasons,
you want to put him off in space.
But like, that is the journey,
like he came,
like the whole thing in Ragnarok
was like, he didn't want to lead.
And then he decides to lead. And it's like, and again, we get back to this point where he's like, never like, he didn't want to lead. And then he decides to lead.
And it's like, and again, we get back to this point where he's like, never mind.
I don't want to lead anymore because it's this lame ass Massachusetts fishing village now and not a cool, cool, like all different planet.
I don't know.
It really made me annoyed with that part. That is like my one big gripe, I think, with the movie is that storyline because it's just
it feels like we're retreading stuff
that happened in a different and
one might argue better movie.
I would argue.
Yeah.
Would you, Lauren? Would you argue? I would. I would fight about it.
That was like my favorite one
possibly to watch, Ragnarok.
I liked Ragnarok a lot. You know what I
didn't like in this movie? I didn't like that Captain America went back in time
and then just lived a life
and then wouldn't tell anybody about it.
Dude, I know.
It seems rude.
Also, it was insane when he's just old
and he's like, well...
Well, now I got married
and I am not telling you anything.
You want to be Captain America now?
But I did like how that was,
like that five seconds to them, was that... I thought that was cool. That was cool. But then But I did like how that was like that five seconds to them. Was
that? Yeah, I thought that was cool.
That was cool. But then also I was like,
how come he didn't land back where he was supposed to?
Where's his little super suit?
What just happened?
Why does he look like Joe Biden?
He really did.
Oh, wait, is he sitting on that bench because
he didn't travel back and then
just lived a life and then walked up to the bench?
What?
And then was like, no, yeah, because he was like, I remember the day that I traveled back.
Oh, yeah.
And I'm just going to remember to go back to that.
But he shouldn't have because he should have created an alternate reality.
Exactly.
So it doesn't make any sense.
That part is a weird hole.
And it's the worst thing that's ever happened to me.
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God. But that is confusing because they had that whole the worst thing that's ever happened to me. Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God.
But that is confusing
because they had that whole part
where they were talking about
how if you go to the future,
that's actually your past.
So then how did he even show up there?
Like it doesn't make any sense.
They negated the rule
that they set up.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because they wanted
to get rid of Chris Evans.
And then I was like,
oh,
is Chris Evans leaving the MCU?
Is this his end?
Because he's literally old now and then he's to die, like a person, not a superhero.
Yeah.
I think it is, I think the people who left the MCU after this phase, it, like, the thing
is, is, like, I'm actually going to really miss Robert Downey Jr.
Me too.
I think his performance.
Yeah.
I think he's great as Iron Man.
I think he's especially great in this movie.
But at the same time, like, if they stayed,
I do think, like, they went out on top,
which is the way you want to go.
You know, like, you don't want to, like,
you don't want to come back to Drag Race as an all-star
and, like, sully your reputation, you know?
Like, go out a winner.
You know, and that's what I think they decided to do.
Yeah, Robert Downey jr is so good
in these movies so good he brings such a like rich like actor feeling to it all where he like adds so
much to every scene but that cgi where he was like sickly yeah that was pretty wild that was crazy
but also he looked much better in this than he looked in Infinity War. In Infinity War, he looked a little like a little like
feeling his age, a little thing.
Yeah. And they kept putting him in flares
and I was like, this is a choice.
I often, I find
that Marvel fans who are like, these
movies should be nominated for Oscars
are a little obnoxious and I don't agree.
I do think if anyone
should have been nominated for their performance
in these movies, it's Robert Downey Jr.
I agree. I think in this movie he is
actually quite wonderful and like
there's a lot of layers I don't know
I think he's funny I think the
death scene was very affecting
I Cry. Yeah. The stuff
with his dad I thought was very good
like I think he was doing a lot
and like you know we're probably
just a few years away from somebody in a Marvel movie
getting nominated for an Oscar and he just
barely missed it but yeah
but like I wonder if they're gonna bring back
Iron Man and that's like huge
shoes to fill I feel bad for whoever
does have to do that
but like Iron Man will keep that character going
it feels like the character doesn't have a ton to do
though am I wrong? I guess not
it's kind of like
we're repeating a lot
of the same thing with him.
There is a,
I can't remember her name,
and Leah,
you might know this
better than I,
but they're basically
creating a new Iron Man.
In the comic books,
there is a young,
black tech genius girl.
Ooh.
And it's like,
is it Lionheart, Leah?
What is it?
It's Ironheart.
Ironheart. Ironheart Ironheart oh yeah
Ironheart
and so
that character is
it's filming I think
right now actually
okay that's
so cool
she's a 15 year old
engineer
her name is
Riri Williams
Riri Williams
yes
this looks really cool
she's gonna be introduced
in Wakanda Forever
the Black Panther sequel
and then
go on to the TV
it's like a like a backdoor pilot.
That does feel like the perfect way to do that, though.
Like not even address Iron Man anymore.
Like we move on to a whole new character.
I love that.
That's fun.
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Okay, this movie. Baby, this plot.
We're about to get into it hard.
Oh, God.
It was written by Christopher Marcus and Stephen McFeely
and directed by Joe Russo and Anthony Russo
and released April 26, 2019.
All right.
Shall we?
Yeah.
Okay.
In 2018, Clint Barron teaches his daughter archery and then suddenly everyone except
him turns to dust.
About three weeks later, Tony Stark records a message for Pepper from the spaceship where
he's stranded with Nebula.
Suddenly, Carol Danvers, I'll never get over that this woman's name is Carol.
She's like, I'm Carol.
I'm Carol. My name is Carol she's like I'm Carol my name is Carol
I was like okay
I read Carol
arrives outside the ship
and pushes them back to earth
which is so funny
and in that moment I was like
Carol could end this whole thing
Carol seems to be the strongest
so
and you see this play out a little bit
at the end of the movie too
when she comes back to save the day.
And it's it's the Superman problem.
It's the problem that DC has had making Superman movies for years and years and years, which is you've created a character so powerful that it's really hard to create stakes and conflict for a character that can base it is basically the most powerful being in the universe in a lot of ways.
Like, it doesn't seem like i i
don't know like and so the only thing you can do with her is send her into space for god knows what
reasons yeah why was she in space what she was like i got a lot of things to do what are you doing
this seems pretty pertinent she also had her real hair on this part when she had her hair down which
made it clear that we were debating whether it was a wig in the previous movie.
I could tell the difference.
And I actually knew that was really her hair now.
Yeah, I think that's her hair.
And then the short hair.
And then with the short hair.
Boy, oh boy, that was a choice.
I was like, nobody brings her down.
This is not sitting on the head.
I know it was very poofed up in the back,
like suburban mom.
That's like one of those things they did
to like honor the comic books. But I was was like not everything needs to honor the comic books yeah and like sometimes you have
to just go with like what actually looks great on a person yeah i just feel like that haircut was not
great not it yeah there are a lot of women who can carry that haircut for sure there are yeah
there are a lot of them not and a lot of them of them are named Carol. Yeah. Actually, yeah.
Or John and Kate plus eight.
Mm, yeah.
So, okay, they reunite with other survivors of Thanos' snap,
which is so funny that this whole thing is predicated on, like, a jazz snap.
Pepper, Steve, Natasha, Bruce, Rhodey, and Rocket Raccoon.
That's his, that's Raccoon's full name.
And the Avengers argue over how and why
they lost the fight against Thanos.
On one tip from Rocket and another from Nebula,
Carol sets off to kill Thanos.
A few Avengers join her,
and they find him alone and defenseless
on another planet.
Thanos tells them that he used the stones
to destroy the stones,
so they can't reverse what he's done.
Furious, Thor beheads him.
Gotta say, this felt very Shrek to me,
where he's just like
in a garden
gathering things,
making some soup.
Oh my God.
I was like,
this is Shrek.
Somebody needs to recut
that part of the movie
with All-Star
immediately.
Oh my God.
If you're listening
and know how to do that,
please do that.
I would say
you guys probably didn't watch the trailers for any of these movies while they were coming out.
Or you certainly don't remember seeing them.
But I will give Marvel props that for the most part, they're really good at cutting trailers just using footage from the first like 30 minutes of the movie.
Because like all the trailers for Endgame were scenes from like them preparing to go and find Thanos.
So you think going into Endgame that this movie is going to be about them like tracking down Thanos and like killing him or getting the stones back or doing whatever they need to do.
And then this happens within the first like 15 and you're like, oh, shit.
What exactly?
What exactly is this movie going to be about?
Yeah.
Yeah. It was a very good
twist and then okay so five years later steve rogers now leads a support group i thought that
was wild for those left behind yeah uh but then in san francisco scott lang escapes from the
quantum realm which i guess happened at the end of ant-man oh this i'm reading okay where he becomes
strapped at the end of ant-man and the wasp. When a rat activates the quantum tunnel instead of Luis's van,
he learns what happened to the world, reunites with his now teenage daughter,
Cassie, and then goes to the Avengers compound.
That I thought was like really smart.
I didn't see Ant-Man and the Wasp, but I was like, oh, okay.
Something happened at that point.
But I like that I knew that he was gone or like supposedly gone.
We need to back up really quick to this support group
because Marvel made a lot of hay
going into Endgame
that there was going to be
gay representation in this film.
Oh no, was it just the support group?
Wait, was it just that man
going on a date?
It was just that man
going on a date.
And I believe, Leah,
correct me if I'm wrong,
that is one of the Russo brothers, right?
It sure is. Oh. Yeah. Oh my believe, Leah, correct me if I'm wrong, that is one of the Russo brothers, right? It sure is.
Oh.
Yeah.
Oh my God, that is really funny.
One of the Russo brothers, one of the directors of the movie.
They're like, don't worry, we've got it covered.
And it's just like one.
And they couldn't even throw some gay actor a bone.
They couldn't even throw, like, get Leslie Jordan in there.
Oh boy, how funny that would be.
I went on a date with somebody.
You're like, what is this movie?
This took a turn.
I would love it.
I would love it.
So, yeah, that was their big gay representation moment.
And it was so obnoxious.
So obnoxious.
Really wild.
I think, like, Bill is, like, the first gay character in the MCU.
Oh, my God. Which is hard to even call that character in the MCU. Oh my God.
Hard to even call that a character.
Wow.
That's crazy.
Nameless man.
Nameless man who cried during dessert.
I hope it says that on his IMDb.
The only time I cry during dessert is when I see the portions.
So small.
Oh my God.
Okay, so at the compound, Black Widow checks in
with other Avengers across the globe and galaxies.
Scott arrives and tells them that the five
years he spent in the quantum realm only
felt like five hours, and that
therefore it might be theoretically possible
to travel back in time, retrieve the Infinity
Stones, and bring everybody back by doing
their own snap.
To help with the physics, the group goes to Tony Stark,
who now lives in the woods with Pepper and their five-year-old daughter, Morgan.
Tony initially declines and sends them away,
but then later at night cracks the science in one go
behind time travel and debates what to do.
Meanwhile, the other Avengers recruit Bruce Banner,
who has somehow made peace with the Hulk
and now lives as a smart Hulk hybrid.
I literally was like to Mike, I'm like, why does he look like Mark Ruffalo now?
And he was like, they'll explain it in a second.
Okay.
It didn't quite make sense to me.
I was like, so he's just somewhere in between.
Yeah.
And like then the part, well, which we'll get to when, what's her name from Doctor Strange?
The woman.
Oh, Tilda Swinton.
Tilda Swinton, yeah.
When she like punches him out of himself.
I just was like, what's happening?
And does he want to be in the Hulk body or would he rather be able to go back to himself?
Because it felt like in that moment he was like mad that they were separated.
I don't know.
I think the implication is that if he goes back to just being regular Mark Ruffalo, he
will always have to deal with like, when he gets angry, he becomes the Hulk.
And so the answer is to just be Hulk, but have his control over his emotions.
So it's not that out of control thing where he loses himself within.
Yeah.
I see.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I will say the scene
of the Hulk
when Ant-Man is like,
hey, do you want
a picture of me too?
That is exactly
what it's like
going out with
Bowen Yang
in WeHo.
Where like,
everyone's like,
Bowen, Bowen, Bowen.
And I'm like,
hi.
I can also pop in.
Yeah.
I'm like,
no, thank you.
So they run some unsuccessful time travel tests on Scott Lang,
which this went on for a little bit too long.
He came back as a baby, a teen, an old man, and he peed himself
before Tony shows up with a time travel GPS as well as Steve Rogers' shield.
And Nebula and Rocket rejoin the Avengers on Earth,
and they recruit the remaining members.
Bruce and Rocket travel to New Asgard in Norway
and recruit Thor, who has fallen into a depression.
Natasha goes to Tokyo to get Hawkeye,
who has fallen down a dark path
and has become a ruthless assassin
targeting criminals who survived the snap.
And they're dynamic.
The snap will never not make me laugh.
I'm so sorry.
I know.
When they get back to New York, Hawkeye volunteers to do the time travel test run, and it works.
Now, what's going on with Natasha and Hawkeye?
Yeah.
Hawkeye's married.
In the first minute, his family disappears.
Then I feel like there was tension with Natasha all the time.
I think they had something going on.
At one point, they were like, this isn't Russia or,
I don't know,
they said like this is like,
Budapest.
Budapest, yeah.
They have like a backstory there.
Yeah, but it's like,
they are strictly friends.
I think like,
and I think the fact that you struggle to see that
is really,
it's really telling.
Yeah.
Yeah, it really is telling
about the way society
has affected you
oh yeah
yeah
I mean men and women
can't be friends
sorry about it
they fuck
or they
hit each other
yeah
I struggle with
Jeremy Renner
I do
I like his haircut
as a person
I struggle with him
but I do think
he's good
okay wait
go ahead
what'd you say
I just
I just I struggle with Jeremy Renner
it's sort of the Chris Pine of it all
where you like know too much about who they are
as like real men
it becomes distracting to watch them on screen suddenly
which makes the fact that like Hawkeye
is sort of like the heart of the movie
a little bit of a struggle for me
I don't think I know much about Jeremy Renner.
Oh, I know a few facts,
and I want Joel to tell them more,
because I know that he flips houses.
Oh.
And I also know that he is a musician.
Hard to believe he's a superhero flipping houses.
People on HGTV, bitch!
And he also had an album.
What?
Of music.
Right?
Yes, that is definitely true.
He's just said a lot of really like um not great things
i'm not familiar with his quotes yeah over like he had he's had a couple of really douchey
um quotes come out he also had a social media site game that was um all about him yeah i thought
he had an app or a site yeah it's about him it was a jeremy renner app and it was all about him. I thought he had an app or a site.
Yeah, it was about him.
It was a Jeremy Renner app, and it was just about him.
That's pretty funny.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, you got to love yourself.
Yeah.
He's just, we don't need to dwell too much on it.
But he is not, he's a little bit of a douchebag.
He's not for you.
He's not little bit of a douchebag. He's not for you. He's not for me. But I do weirdly find that even despite that,
a lot of the stuff with Hawkeye very effective in the movie, I will say.
Like when his family disappeared, I cry.
Yeah.
It was sad.
Because I like that the littlest one with the big fluffy hair who's like,
I like ketchup.
And then he disappeared and I was like, oh no.
Well, I knew something crazy was about to happen because it it was, like, such a weird start to the movie,
and then they were like, ketchup or mustard?
I like ketchup. It was, like, really slow,
and I was like, what's going on? Something's about to
happen. Of course, I'd forgotten that everyone was in the middle
of disappearing into moths, but
it was really
crazy. And then I was like, if I were
him, I would wish that I had just disappeared, because that would be
horrible. Your whole family's just gone.
I can't. Well, that's why you started murdering. So the Avengers plan out
their time heist using their past to pinpoint destinations for invented infinity stones.
Thor explains that the reality stone was on Asgard in 2013, essentially summarizing the
events of Thor Dark World, Nebula and Rocket, know from Guardians of the Galaxy and Infinity War that the Power and
Soul stones are on Morag and Vormir, respectively. The other stones, they're all in New York in 2012.
Loki had the Mine and Space Stone during the Avengers. And as far as they know,
Doctor Strange had the Time Stone a few blocks downtown.
And then I didn't understand. I mean, I guess I'll get to the part where they talk to Tilda Swinton, but like
when he gets there and then she's like,
he hasn't come here yet. I'm like, wait, does she
know all the past and future at the same time?
I think it's implied that
she has some insight into
what's going to happen. Yeah, like in the same
way that Stephen Strange knows
like what's going to, like all the different many
things that could happen. I think like
wearing the time stone sort of gives you a spoiler but why didn't she know about thanos and
stephen strange giving she was like he must have given it for a reason like how come she didn't
just know that you know that's a good question that i do not have an answer to you're cool and
that is a note that is a note that you should have given in the room.
Okay?
Yes, yes.
I foolishly was quiet in the room.
Okay.
They split into three teams.
Rogers, Stark, Banner, and Lang arrive at the Battle of New York.
Bruce Banner goes to the Sanctum Santorum and finds the Ancient One there
because Doctor Strange hasn't happened yet.
And they bargain and brainstorm for the Time Stone, and the Ancient One warns against creating branch alternate realities.
At Stark Tower, Scott and Tony attempt to steal the Tesseract, a.k.a. the Space Stone, but loses it to Loki, who uses it to escape.
Steve obtains the Scepter, a.k.a. the Mind Stone, after first pretending to be an undercover HYDRA agent then fighting his 2012 self.
That part
was wild. Yeah.
It was great, and I do love that
they call out his ass.
Him looking at his own ass.
The scene that launched
a thousand fan
fictions of
just Steve Rogers
fucking himself on the ground. I i mean he does have a good
butt when he's laying there on the ground i was like that is a nice little damn yeah yeah it makes
me horny to this day yeah it made me pretty horny too i was like yum yum yum so tony steve bruce
and scott rendezvous um bruce and scott go back to the present forced to improvise steve and tony go
to his shield base in new jersey in 1970 it did was that stan lee in the car did they cgi him in
there yeah i think he's he he hadn't died yet i don't know he hadn't no he had he died he had
right he died right before captain marvel okay. Because that was pretty wild.
I mean, but also they filmed these all at the same time.
Oh, yeah.
I don't think they're doing,
I don't think they're digitally inserting Stan Lee anymore.
Like, I don't think that's a thing that they're doing.
So I think he probably filmed this before,
I don't know.
It would be so weird if they were digitally inserting him.
I don't like that at all.
I don't like that.
I'm looking at a picture where it looks like they're filming it and he's sitting there.
I can't tell, though, because I don't know what's real in the world.
That all might be fake, too.
Oh, my God.
Okay, so they know Howard Stark is studying the Tesseract and Hank Pym is developing Pym particles.
It's so funny that they're all just in the same building.
They are successful, but Steve is distracted
by Peggy Carter, and
Tony runs into his own Dutty
and his father's butler, Jarvis?
Yeah.
Oh. Wait.
Wasn't his character, wasn't his
thing named Jarvis that he used?
Yes, the computer was named after
this man.
And the part with his dad where he's like,
I hope I don't have a son or he'll be just like me.
And I was like, oh no.
Whoops, whoops, whoops, whoops.
You're telling the exact wrong person.
So Thor and Rocket arrive on Asgard in 2013
and Thor has a panic attack when he sees his mother, Frigga.
Her name is Frigga? Moments before he attack when he sees his mother, Frigga. Her name was Frigga?
Moments before he knows she'll be killed.
Big Frigga.
So Rocket goes to get the Aether, aka the Reality Stone, while Thor talks to Frigga.
Before they leave, Thor summons Mjolnir and takes that with him as well.
I thought the moment with his mom was really nice.
It was really sweet.
This is also confusing, though,
because, like,
in that timeline, like,
is Thor just missing
his hammer now?
It's a chaotic thing
for him to do
because he doesn't know
that they're going to go.
Thor does not know
that Bruce has decided
to take back
all of the stones
to, like, close loops.
He doesn't know
that that's the plan.
Because, like, at the end,
you see Steve has the hammer
and he's going to take it back. But Thor didn't know that was the plan. Because at the end, you see Steve has the hammer and he's going to take it back.
But Thor didn't know that was the plan.
So for all he knows, yeah, he's just left
another Thor without a hammer.
Yeah.
Interesting.
I feel like when I watched this,
I thought everything connected and it made sense.
And then now I'm going, oh, I guess there was...
Yeah.
But then I was like, there was a point
where Thor didn't have a hammer, but it landed in the middle of somewhere.
And that's where he meets Natalie Portman.
So, yeah.
Can I also share that the reshoot Natalie Portman did was not the scene with Rocket Raccoon.
That was old footage from when she actually shot Thor The Dark World.
The reshoot was just her in the hallway with the maids walking into the room that was
what they called natalie the portman back to set wow to walk down a hall to walk down a hall and
quite honestly i'm sure she probably was like whatever it is just make it me walking down a
hall like i'm sure that like natalie portman was like and i'm sure she got paid a million dollars
well that's what i was thinking. I'm like, how much
do you get paid just to pop
in for a day at that point?
Oh my God. What is a day rate
when you're Natalie Portman?
I know. SAG minimum.
SAG minimum.
$1,500. Or is it $1,500?
I mean, I don't know.
Arriving in space in 2014,
Clint, Natasha, Nebula, and Rhodey split into two teams.
Clint and Natasha head for Vormir, while Nebula and Rhodey wait for Peter Quill to arrive on Morag and steal the Org, a.k.a. the Power Stone.
By 2014, Thanos, Nebula, and Gamora, who has not yet met Peter Quill and is not yet a Guardian, they're also looking for the Power Stone on Morag.
And then they detect the other Nebula, which I was like, nebula you're that was a liability like that i didn't either
roadie gets away but 2023 nebula is captured um 2014 thanos learns of the avengers future plans
and sends 2014 nebula back to 2023 as a spy i feel like with nebula wasn't it in what movie was it
the one before this, I guess.
The Avengers before this, where she's like hanging
and being tortured.
I hate the visual of her
hanging like that. I don't like it either.
It seems so painful and awful, even though she's
not real or something.
I don't really understand what she is.
She's like a cyborg with feelings?
She used to be like a humanoid,
but then every time she lost
or did something bad,
he would replace one of her parts
with like an android part.
Oh, that's really sad.
In order to like make her better.
And that's why she is the way she is.
It's kind of Wizard of Oz-ish.
She's the Tin Man.
Yes, exactly that.
Yeah.
All right.
I get it now.
It makes sense in ways that no one understands.
Meanwhile, Clint and Natasha arrive on Vormir.
They meet Red Skull, learn that one of them must die in order for the other to obtain the Soul Stone,
and the two fight over which of them should sacrifice themselves.
Nat wins, so to speak, and jumps off the cliff to her death.
Also hated that.
I hated that, too. I'm sorry. I saw this with Bowen in the theaters and we were screaming. I thought
it was so, so funny. The escalation of like, the like constant escalation of like you not knowing
which one of them was going to do it. It was so, so funny. It was like, I thought it was hilarious and I thought it was so well done.
And then deeply affecting when it was, did end up being that.
And I will say they did a pretty good job.
Like, I really could have seen it going either way.
It was like, and I really did think it was going to be a Chante, you both stay sort of moment.
But, you know,
it was one of those
close lip syncs.
Yeah.
So Clint returns
to the present
with the other Avengers
minus Natasha,
including 2013 Nebula
and the Stones.
They construct
a new gauntlet
and Bruce Banner
volunteers to do
the snap elsewhere.
2014 Nebula
opens a portal
bringing 2014 Thanos to earth just as the
avengers realized their snap was successful 2014 thanos attacks wait can i i have a question
actually leah um i'm not quite uh clear on how they time traveled so nebula takes the pin particle
and then she sneaks away while Bruce is snapping and opens.
She puts her fingies.
She fingers a computer.
Yeah.
And opens the machine again to let Thanos through.
Oh, all of them, though?
Like the big ships and everything?
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know about them.
But I but that's like the main ship.
Got it.
Okay.
That makes it.
Oh, I do remember that part now
and I feel stupid for asking,
but I just like,
the whole army that comes with,
I guess was like confusing to me
how they all got there.
Yeah.
As well.
I'm less clear on that.
Okay.
Okay.
Well,
who,
it's not important.
Let's continue.
Well,
you know,
we can't tell you.
On Thanos' ship,
2023 Nebula convinces 2014 Gamora to switch sides.
So, oh my God.
The Avengers are scattered and scramble to escape from rubble.
2023 Nebula kills 2014 Nebula.
Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor confront Thanos and start a fight,
during which Cap summons and wields Mjolnir,
but Thanos slashes his shield in half
and summons his army.
But then Steve gets a message over comms
from Sam Wilson and portals start appearing
all around them, orchestrated by Doctor Strange.
Sorcerers bring every Avenger and Guardian
who Thanos snapped away,
allies like Wasp, Wong, Pepper Potts
in a suit of armor,
as well as armies from Wakanda, Asgard,
Kamar-taj,
Kamar-taj,
and more to the compound
to fight Thanos' army.
I liked it.
It was fun.
Yeah, this is when it was getting a little exciting.
I find,
I've seen almost every Marvel movie
in theaters opening weekend,
and Marvel fans are like very apt to scream and cheer when certain things happen in movies.
And I will say most of the time I am not down for that sort of behavior in the theater.
But when Bowen and I saw this stoned out of our minds at an Alamo draft house in Austin, Texas, we screamed and cheered.
We did. Because it was very Texas. We screamed and cheered. We did.
Because it was very effective.
To react to these movies.
I feel like that would help me if people were screaming around me while I watched them.
Yeah, to be like, oh, this is impressive.
This is good.
I like it.
Yeah.
It was fun, though.
But I will say, can I say, so this battle goes on and there's lots of casualties only in the non-superhero people that they bring
like a lot of wakanda people die a lot of kamar taj people die a lot of you know every all of
them die could you imagine if you came back from the snap and then immediately died in the battle
i would be so annoying i'd be so pissed i'd be like this is so annoying. I literally just got back and now I'm dead?
Like, what? Now I'm dead again? Oh my god.
And no one is snapping me back
this time, babe.
Now it's for real, I guess. It's for real?
Great. I got stomped by
a little monster?
Okay, so
Bruce orders they keep the gauntlet and the quantum tunnel safe
so they can return the stones and eliminate alternate realities.
This starts a relay race to get the gauntlet to the Ant-Man in Luis's van.
From Clint to T'Challa to Spider-Man, Wanda attacks Thanos for visiting Thanos.
I gave him like a really Greek name.
Yeah, Thanos.
Attacks Thanos for killing Vision.
He orders a missile strike, which is stopped by none other than
Carol Danvers arriving late
she's like
I just got out of the salon
I just had to get a haircut
so I will say the like passing
of the gauntlet that those sorts of
sequences that is why I
like the team movies like
the movies with a lot of the superheroes
because you get everyone gets their little moment and it's like it is a lot it is like scratching a very primal like itch in my
brain to like watch superheroes like work together in tandem together and like those moments I just
watch and I will say watching it again I teared up when I saw Chadwick Boseman yeah I did. He was so good. So, so good. I have a question. So I'm going back a little bit.
When Peter Parker is like, I guess I just like took a nap. And then we were there for like five
minutes. I was like, how come he's saying, I guess I took a nap. Why doesn't this little boy know
what's going on? How come nobody explained shit to him? But then he was explaining everything.
He was snapped back. And like like to him it's like you know
how sometimes you close your eyes and you wake up and it's 4 p.m and you're like oh my god i'm late
you know like it's like that but it happened across five years and then there is there was
no time because dr strange is like we gotta go we gotta help and so he just didn't you know and
he's a teenager he's dumb he's a's a little idiot. He'll catch on later.
Yeah.
Okay, so Carol, with an assist from the ladies,
gets the gauntlet from Spider-Man.
This fucking ladies, let's get in formation moment is so,
it is Disney at its worst, I will say.
It's like Disney flexing and being like,
look at all the female representation that we have.
Look at all these female side characters
that we've created across many different films.
Yeah, right.
It is so annoying,
and it also doesn't actually make sense.
It didn't feel organic at all
because Wasp is there,
and it's like, wait a minute,
Wasp was all the way over in the van.
So you're telling me Wasp was like, oh my God, the girls are getting together.
I have to go.
I'm so sorry.
They can't do this without me.
My girls are getting together.
I got to go and do that.
I got to get in the girl group pic.
I'm so sorry.
You guys, I wasn't even here yet.
You started walking.
And I don't mean to be a bitch about this because I'm sure that for some little girls
out there like that was very affecting
and like it worked but just like
from a purely like story
standpoint I was just like
there is no reason to do this
in this moment and if you
did want to do it there had to be a better
way to like organically
get all of the women there
and like to make it such a moment
to sort of takes away from it.
It's like, just have, just have,
just have it happen.
Where all, it just happens
that all the female superheroes are there.
And it's like not like putting a spotlight on it
in the way that they did just made it seem like,
look at all the good we do.
Look at all the good we do. Look at all the good we do.
And it's like, just let it happen.
Like, let it happen organically.
There is a moment like that in Infinity War.
There's a moment in that battle where I think it's like Black Widow and Okoye
and then Wanda comes over and they're fighting Carrie Coon.
And it is just a lovely little, oh, it's all ladies here.
That's kind of cool.
It's different.
And it is just a lovely little, oh, it's all ladies here.
That's kind of cool.
It's different.
And it doesn't make a point of, like, highlighting it in a way that, like, is, like, this is a win for feminism.
It just, like, lets you, it just lets you wash over it.
You know, it washes over you in a really subtle way, which is, like, much more effective, I think, than what this Beyonce moment is.
So they're trying to get to the van. Thanos destroys the van. Tony, Steve, Thor, and Carol fight off Thanos to keep him from the gauntlet. Tony asks Doctor Strange if they're doing the
right thing. He hints that they are. Tony grabs the gauntlet and distracts Thanos while transferring
the stones to his own suit. Tony then snaps, turning Thanos and his army to dust and dies, surrounded by the Avengers and his wife.
I didn't like that.
I was very sad.
I was like, oh God.
I know.
And it's like real?
Mm-hmm.
Is that what Shazir spoiled?
She sure did.
Yeah, that's why I thought.
Oh my God, that's so funny.
She sure did. That's such oh my god that's so funny she sure did that's such a big
spoiler it was and i knew going in what was gonna happen but it was it happened in such a way that
i was still like kind of taken off guard and i was like oh god this is very sad i know well so
then we have the funeral so later at tony and pepper's cabin the avengers hold a funeral
in new asgard thor appoints valkyrie as their people's new king and leaves with the Guardians.
Finally, Steve prepares to travel through time and return each stone and mule near.
When he doesn't return, Sam and Bucky discover an older Steve sitting on a bench.
He reveals that he decided to break the rules and retire and passes the shield to Sam.
In a past moment, we see him dancing with Peggy Carter.
I mean, I think that's really
sweet. I thought it was sweet, but
I was like, so did none of the Captain
America stuff happen?
What does that mean for
what did happen? The branching
timeline that he created so that
he could get laid.
I, yeah.
It's also rude because he went
to the Smithsonian and he saw her in a documentary
talk about how she had like a husband and kids and he said whatever oh my god right
no no we really know me she's like no me yeah I will say the the level of detail in the the
funeral I will give it to them.
They even brought back the little boy from Iron Man 3.
Like he is at that funeral.
Okay, I was wondering if there was a boy and I was like, who's that supposed to be?
Yeah, it is the boy from Iron Man 3.
The one that he like teams up with and helps.
Oh, you didn't see 3.
Right?
Yeah.
No.
So in Iron Man 3, there is like a child character that like helps Tony sort of like get back in touch with himself in a very specific way.
And like they form a close bond in Iron Man 3.
And he ends up at the funeral as well.
And other fun fact, none of those actors knew whose funeral they were at or if it was actually a funeral.
So they were all shot separately?
Yeah. I don't know if they were shot separately. No, they were just told they it was actually a funeral. So they were all shot separately? Yeah, they were.
I don't know if they were shot separately.
No, they were just told
they were shooting a funeral scene.
No, actually, they were told
they were shooting a wedding.
Yes, yes.
And that's why they were in formal wear.
Wow.
Because you know how you go to a wedding
in a black dress?
In all black.
Yeah.
And then that was like
they were doing all the takes
and then they're like,
actually, can we get one
where you all look sad?
Don't question it.
Yeah, this is just for funsies.
How funny.
Yeah, that is the goofiness of Marvel,
but I love it.
I do love it.
Wow.
That's fun to be doing something
you have no idea what it is.
That also helps Gwyneth Paltrow's point
that she was like, where am I?
Because there are probably times
they just don't explain anything.
Yeah, no, exactly.
Or like, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine.
It's fine, it's fine.
Just say the lines.
Just say the lines.
Who could possibly blame her?
I mean, not I.
Okay, so in terms of awards,
Endgame was nominated
for an Oscar
for Best Visual Effects
and won in that category
at the Critics' Choice Awards.
It also was nominated
for Best Score
at the Grammys.
Awards trivia,
Endgame is the first film
to be the highest grossing film of all time upon release that didn't win an Oscar.
Oh.
With the reception of the film, Endgame grossed $2.798 billion worldwide, becoming the highest grossing film of all time.
It was surpassed in 2021 by a re-release in China of 2009's Avatar.
Wow.
That's insane.
That's crazy.
It was a re-release.
The film opened at $1.2 billion worldwide, which is the biggest opening numbers of all time,
and nearly doubled the previous record, which was held by Avengers Infinity War.
That's so much money.
Endgame has a high approval rating on Rotten Tomatoes, holding a 94% approval. Audience polled on
CinemaScore, giving the film a rare
A-plus grade. Wow, they love it.
Love it. We gotta take a break.
Now we're back from that break trivia yeah so when endgame surpassed titanic's box office total director james cameron sent a congratulatory message to kevin feige and marvel studios along
with a photo of the avengers a as the iceberg sinking the Titanic. Okay, so Anya did that.
Wow.
You know what?
I would rather
James Cameron
be working on Avatar 2
instead of sending
messages to people
because I've been waiting.
Photoshopping.
Yeah.
Been waiting.
Sitting at the Photoshop.
Endgame is the longest
movie in the MCU
and also the longest movie
of all of the cast's careers.
I mean, I'm sure that's true.
It's like very rare to do a movie that's over three hours.
Yeah.
Robert Downey Jr. was the only actor who read the entire script,
but they were all sent the script.
No, I'm just kidding.
I don't know.
I guess he was the only one.
He was the only one who was sent it probably
because he had to be died and he had to be dead
um as we mentioned in previous episodes this film was shot back to back with
a veteran's infinity war over the period of 200 days wow that's long oh my god uh evangeline
lily and paul rudd also filmed ant-man and the wasp at the same time as this film i'm like what's
my god and even though captain marvel was released
a month before endgame brie larson shot her scenes for this movie first the scene at the
avengers headquarters was larson's first day on set as carol tanvers captain marvel's directors
anna boden and ryan fleek were there to ensure consistency between the film but that's why her
hair was her her regular hair in this one.
In the movie, they made it wigs.
Probably so it's easier to deal with.
It's a good thing that they did that with her character
because she's not a character.
So it didn't really matter.
There wasn't much consistency to track.
That is true. There's not a lot to the character.
I wish the character had more personality.
Like, they don't give her a lot to play with.
No.
In fact, the whole point of Captain Marvel in her movie is that she's a cipher.
She doesn't remember who she is.
Like I could go on.
That's true because they show her like all her memories where she's like fun and doing things.
Yeah.
And she's like, I don't know how to have fun.
I don't do karaoke.
I was just about to say I can't do karaoke anymore.
I would never.
Here's a new segment.
Is Chris in this?
You better believe this movie had all the Chris's.
A Hemsworth, an Evans, a Pratt.
A Pine.
A Pine?
Oh, no, he wasn't.
No.
A Pine.
No. No, no, no, no. Not pine. No.
No, no, no, no.
Not Pine.
I was thinking of Pratt.
I was literally imagining him dancing.
I'm like, oh, wait, no, that was a different movie.
No, that was what I was thinking of.
Chris Pine is never in these movies.
We don't know.
I think he's in Star Trek.
Yeah, who is that?
Okay, great.
And he's in Wonder Woman.
He's in Wonder Woman.
Yes, yes, yes.
So is there any other Chris, Joel, that you would love to see in this?
That could be a Christine, a Kristen
Any Chrissy you know
I actually am surprised that she's not
In it but a Christine Baranski
Moment in one of these films
I would love her in this
Could be really great
Another segment is
Is Kiss in this?
This is a segment where we talk about if there was a kiss in the film
And was there a kiss?
There wasn't, but I was really hoping that Tilda Swintz, after she gave Bruce the Infinity Stone,
I wanted her to just kiss his little nipple.
She was right there.
Do Peggy and Steve not kiss at the end of the movie?
Oh, they do.
They definitely do.
That's nice.
Yeah.
And that was a good romantic plot of the film.
It was.
Yeah.
Okay.
Here's our segment, Five Stark Industries, where we read positive reviews of our own podcast.
It didn't seem insane until it was phrased that way.
I know.
Five stars from Cheesemade28G.
This show is going to get me fired.
Made the mistake of listening at work and I nearly spat my coffee out all over my desk.
My coworkers are starting to give me weird looks because I'm unsuccessfully trying to stifle my laughs.
Worth it.
Aw, thanks.
I love that.
So in addition to Apple reviews, we are also going to read reviews from Letterboxd and give a one-sentence review and a star rating.
Okay, this is by Number One Gizmo Fan.
Make a three-hour Ant-Man movie
and you'll have my respect.
Pretty funny. You know what? I wouldn't be mad
at that because I really enjoy it. I loved Ant-Man.
My favorite
part in the movie is when he was like,
flick me, and he bent right over and flicked his little butt.
Oh my god, that was hilarious when he flicked him. So funny.
That was really funny. Okay, so
this other one is from former movie
enjoyer, three and a half stars.
After much deliberation, I'm ready to speak my truth.
I think the Hulk looks kind of hot in this movie.
Well, look, you don't have to deliberate much at all.
He looked hot in other movies where we saw him in a towel.
Yeah, we like Hulk.
The Hulk is hot, but can you, I just like, that's an anal fissure waiting to happen.
I'm sorry.
I like, there's just not enough lube in the world.
The pain is out of control.
I mean, I would take it because I need to know what it feels like.
I would do it.
I would just do it.
It's truly got to be like four Coke cans.
There are Hulk dildos out there that are supposed to look like what it might actually look like.
We've never typed so fast in our lives.
It's on Etsy.
It's on Etsy.
It is on Etsy.
That was my first.
Wow.
Okay, like some of them are good and some of them are not good.
I have some notes on some of these,
but there's one that is really shiny.
Do you see that one?
Yeah.
The first one that appears,
it is $345 is wild.
It has,
this is incredible.
It has,
does he have balls?
This is also pretty.
It's like squat.
Yeah.
I'm looking at that one.
I don't like that one.
Yeah.
That one is first of all,
so expensive.
The balls are like an extra play-doh
sack attached to it like what's happening and it's nine and a half inches oh wait usable length
is only six inches maximum because the balls maximum girth is uh three and a half inches
okay the head girth is 2.4.
The head girth that I don't love.
The description is,
you will love me when I'm angry.
Oh my God.
Oh my God.
That's wild.
There's only one review.
Amazing quality,
super fast shipping.
Well, it's really expensive.
I feel like not many people are buying that thing.
Also, this product is so gigantic
it won't fit into their standard dildo
packaging.
So what, it gets in a big box?
A dildo, I think it's the company,
you get a drawstring
sport pack for free.
That you can wear on your back? I guess so.
Like, where are you off to?
When the dildo needs a backpack.
That moment when the dildo needs a backpack. That moment when the dildo needs a backpack.
That feeling when.
Oh my God.
Okay, Joel, what is your one sentence review
and star rating of this film?
I'm going to say my one sentence review for this movie is
it is for little boys like me. my one sentence review for this movie is
it is for
little boys like me
and
in this case boy is non-gender
let me be very clear
let me be very clear I mean spiritually
and I'm gonna
give this out of how many stars
five
four for sure okay I'm going to give this, out of how many stars? Five. Five. Four, for sure.
Good.
Okay.
I'm going to give it, God, it's so hard to give these really high scores because I'm also going like, why am I watching this?
You know, I have a hard time focusing.
Compare it to other things.
I did think it was like a smartly, okay, so I'm going to say smartly written, complicated storylines, loved the romance,
but I'll give it four stars.
I don't remember what I gave Infinity War.
I know, that's the thing.
I'm like, I don't have my bar figured out.
Yeah, I'm going to give it four and a half stars.
I really liked it.
Okay.
So my one sentence review was,
they explained where the dust people went.
And I like that.
Good time.
Good time.
Oh my God.
All right.
Well,
we did it.
We really did it.
Well,
Joel,
you're so awesome.
Thank you for doing this.
Thank you for having me
what would you like to plug
um yeah
she said it up top
watch Fire Island on Hulu
watch my stand up special
on Netflix
Psychosexual on Netflix
and watch
uh
Loot
on Apple TV Plus
so many good things
so many wonderful things
I'm so excited
to watch your special
it's out now
me too
it's out June 21st
so I think by the time yes I'm so excited it will be out. It's out now. Me too. It's out June 21st, so I think by the time this
is out, it will be out.
That's so awesome. Yeah, it was like a joy to
like, I know I didn't watch you like work out the whole thing, but like
I've seen you perform so many times,
so I'm like excited to see what jokes I
know made it in. I'm just so proud
of you. And like, it feels so good. Thank you.
I'm proud sounds wild, but
I'm so joyful for your success.
I love you, Joel. Thank you so much.
That's a really nice way of saying that.
Thank you.
That's so sweet.
Thank you.
I really appreciate that.
It's so exciting.
And okay, we'll be back next week with WandaVision.
See you then.
Bye-bye.
Bye-bye.
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