Newcomers: Scorsese, with Nicole Byer and Lauren Lapkus - Black Panther (w/ Shaun Diston)

Episode Date: June 7, 2022

Bet you've been wondering when Lauren and Nicole would make it back to Wakanda. Well, they've arrived. And? They love it. True friend-of-the-pod Shaun Diston stops by with his well-worn copy of the Marvel Encyclopedia to teach us a thing or two about the Xhosa language, vibranium mines, and - most importantly - which MCU characters Lauren and Nicole should get to play.  Next week's movie: Avengers: Infinity War (2018) Like the show? Rate Newcomers 5 stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Nicole and Lauren to read on the pod! Follow the podcast on Letterboxd. Advertise on Newcomers via Gumball.fmSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Oh my God. I'm Lauren Lapkus. And I am losing my mind. I'm Nicole Byer. Yeah, and we are watching the Marvel Cinematic Universe. And this is episode 14 of the fifth season. We're working we are watching the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and this is episode 14 of the fifth season. We're working our way through the whole universe with the help

of fellow newcomers, super fans, and sometimes even people who've contributed. And this season is only going to be 20 episodes, so we're going to try to cover as much as we can to get an overview of the franchise, but we can't get to everything because it's dense. And today, we're discussing the film Black Panther, which came in, came in? It came out in 2018, baby! And you can watch it on Disney+, or for a fee on Amazon, Apple TV, Google Play, and Vudu. And obviously, as we always do, we're going to spoil the entire film down to every second of the film.

So we are so excited for our guest today. Before I even say his name, he's a comedian, writer, producer. You know him from Wrecked and Mr. Student Body President. And you probably heard him on Comedy Bang Bang. And you also have heard him on our Tyler Perry season. It's Sean Diston. Welcome back, Sean. Hello, Sean. How are you? So happy to be here. I think you both know I've been texting you separately about doing this season. Yeah. I don't know, since the Star Wars season. So I'm so excited that we're finally sitting here talking about Marvel. I feel like you were one of the first people

who was like, you have to. You have to. You really were. When you guys announced that you were doing Lord of the Rings, I was so distraught for you. Because not that they're bad, but like to be sort of a...

They're bad. I think we can say it. We're bad. I think we reviewed every... I think we reviewed a radio play yeah we heard a radio play okay we watched a video game that was like

20 episodes in I know I listened and like if you had just watched the main movies you probably would have gotten out unscathed

but having to really do a deep dive on Lord of the Rings it's tedious it's self serious it's not that fun I know. I do wonder if we'd done Marvel sooner

what that would have done for morale. But. Well, I do think the Tyler Perry season, I remember feeling like. That was necessary. All right. It was so much fun. We fought for that.

And that was so worth it. Yeah, we really did. And we all won. We were like, he's God. We all won. Because I loved that. Getting to watch a Tyler Perry movie and talk about it was so so fun it was so fun I do think that kind of like the Marvel Cinematic Universe all your

seasons are telling a story you know and like you've now gotten to Marvel and I think you're ready I think you're ready to take it in I I've been listening to episodes. I'm having fun hearing you dislike some of the movies and then liking other ones. Which one did you disagree with? Which one were you like, you have to have liked this one? You know, I don't think I disagreed with any of them. Like I generally just like all of them kind of blanket statement. Like they're all kind of fun for me, but I do think it was probably smart to not watch the second thor movie i think

leah has been doing a great job of curating this universe for you guys and and yeah i think i agree with all your criticisms it's just like i can criticize these movies but still just like love them you know and um i recently made i'm saying made but i but I convinced my girlfriend to watch all these movies with me. I saw them. Oh, that's sweet. I think she would agree with you guys on all your takes. She loved Iron Man. She liked Spider-Man.

She disliked some of the Avengers movies in the beginning. It's because they're bad. She did. I did tell her like, I was like, do you want me to tell them anything about your experience? And she texted me this. She said,

my review is they're not bad. You got to pick your guys. Personally, I want more Ruffalo content. And then, and then also she wants to make clear that I made her watch all these movies with the promise. We'd see all the new ones in theaters.

And I did go see two of them without her. Okay, so what's going on there? Yeah, which ones did you see without her? I saw Eternals and Doctor Strange. I need to see these things like the Thursday they come out. So if she was not available, she was busy doing other things. So I. You just don't care. Wait, they all come out. So if she was not available, she was busy doing other things. So I, you just don't care.

Wait, they all come out on Thursdays. They like release on Friday, but you can get tickets to these movies like Thursday night. So I generally will go on a Thursday night to avoid spoilers on Twitter. Okay. But here's my question. What are you going to watch to make it up to her?

Because I feel like you have to watch something she loves. I do think I've agreed to watch Xena, Warrior Princess with her. I'm also watching all of The Next Generation, which is one of her favorite things. So I'm definitely watching stuff. I'm glad it's balanced. Yes. And we did go see Spider-Man No Way Home in theaters. And I think she had a great time because it was just one of those movies

that people are like screaming at. Can I ask you a question? So when Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield appeared on screen, did the theater you were in clap and cheer for them? Yeah. I mean, I did too. I mean, like I...

Why? I don't know. Because it's the other Spider-Mans. It's the other Spider-Man. So it's a joke. Because I've seen the meme. So here's what I'll say about these movies. And you guys are getting into.

I think the meme predates this movie. The meme definitely predates the movie. They made it because of the meme? Where they're all pointing at the three Spider-Mans are pointing at each other. They definitely, I don't want to spoil anything because you haven't seen it, but that meme comes into play.

But I will say like these movies now, they do fan service in a way. And especially the movies you're getting into now. They do fan service in a way that I just don't experience in other movies. Like maybe Fast and the Furious is up there where you're like at the movie and you're cheering and laughing at parts that aren't supposed to be funny. But you're just so excited that you you know so i feel like when the spider-man came into that movie it's kind of the like the it's built up in everyone's mind of like wouldn't it be crazy if all the spider-men were in one movie and like you get to see the spider-man that you grew up with when you were watching these movies and I don't know it's a phenomenon

it is exciting I was in a theater where nobody gave a shit and the only person who cheered was Sashir Zameda and I laughed so hard we saw it like three weeks after it had been out so maybe everyone had seen it already but Sashir was like when Tobey Maguire appeared on screen she went woo

and nobody else said a thing in my theater when Tobey Maguire showed up a man behind me yelled he's so beautiful that's really funny it was awful to experience even me like as a fan I was like you're embarrassing me

what a perfect man did Sashir like these movies? Yeah, I had no clue about this, about my friend that she sees every Marvel movie that comes out. I had no idea. Yeah, that seems like a shocking secret. Yeah, I think she's seen most of them.

I kind of feel like I was like that for a while. I see all of them and I'll go. And honestly, there have been movies that have made me cry. Which one which one well i cried watching black panther oh yeah okay me too i cried watching some of the other movies you will be seeing pretty soon like oh and i it's embarrassing like i don't love the idea that i'm in these movies like crying at this but at the same time i don't care like i'm just like no no like in the last episode we were talking with paul sheer about um sex in the city 2 and june being disappointed by that movie and feeling like she understood the marvel disappointment when like

a movie doesn't live up to what you wanted totally and i was thinking about that later and i was going you know what i actually loved every second of every sex in the city thing that i've seen i even when it's bad it's good good. And I understand that in the Marvel way where I'm like, you know what? That movie's two hours and 15 minutes long and I was glad. And so I think I understand. I watched all the new Sex and the City with my girlfriend as well.

Okay, good. And I because I watched all the Sex and the City episodes too. I don't know why but I've seen all of them. I've seen I saw maybe the first one. It's very well written. It was fantastic. It's groundbreaking television.

When like things would, we'd be watching and like a pair of shoes would be like on her shelf or something that like my girlfriend would be like, that was what she wore those when she was doing. And I was like, this is the feeling of like being rewarded for watching and paying attention to something I think is really cool. Like I.

Yeah. And I think unlike Star Wars and like, you know, Lord of the Rings that you guys have watched, like some the continuity and the rewarding you for watching all of them isn't as strong as. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's I don't know. I think it's pretty cool yeah that is fun and i'm i enjoy when i get a call back or connection it's yeah it makes me feel like i'm paying attention thor ragnarok where i was like i understand this yeah did you guys think did you guys think that

that movie was really funny like was it the funniest one yeah right it obviously is right and i want more funny we want more funny that and ant-man i was it the funniest one? Yeah. It obviously is, right? And I want more funny. We want more funny. That and Ant-Man, I think, were the funniest for me. Yeah, I agree. Well, it's really cool

because I think this is a time in the Marvel Universe where they, like, let these directors kind of put their stamp on the movies, you know? And, like,

we're talking about Black Panther today, which is, like, Ryan Coogler's, like, sort of, it's a triumph that he got so much of his own voice into this movie and still is in the marvel universe so it's kind of cool i mean i

don't know if it's as funny as thor ragnarok but it's not it's not no it's certainly not but it has a great tone to it and it's like it's just a good because i saw that without seeing any other marvel and i thought it was a good movie and it's like a standalone movie which i don't know that all of these are at all yeah well i mean what was your guys general thoughts on black panther was it like you you'd seen it before so you're re-watching yeah yeah but i had forgotten a lot of the details and i mean i loved it the first time and thought it was like a really cool action movie like as someone who doesn't really care about superheroes, I was still like, this is a good, interesting story. And I was surprised by a lot of the like plot points in it.

But rewatching it, I thought it was even more interesting because I being more familiar with it. It was fun to like just watch the acting, not being so concerned with the story, but just like watching everyone in the costumes and everything is so pretty. And it's incredible. Yeah. It's a really pretty movie. This is the, this viewing was my first time watching it from actual beginning to end because the first time I saw in theaters,

I missed 10 minutes. I saw it at the Hollywood bowl with the Phil harmonic. I missed, I think the first five minutes because the five of the ten that i missed this year and i were both like is what movie is this the movie and then familiar things started happening we're like this is black man there we were like how have we both not seen because the beginning is crazy and it's so so important that whole scene. There's truly a lot of information in the first five minutes of the movie that I had not heard

until today or yesterday when I watched it. With Sterling K. Brown who I've been watching This Is Us every week for the last six years and I'm like,

oh my God, like it was actually crazy because I didn't know who he was when I first saw it and then I know him as this character really well and I'm like, oh my God,

Randall's like- Lauren, that's really funny. Oh my God, it's Randall and Randall doesn't sound oh my god Randall's like oh my god it's Randall and Randall doesn't sound like that Randall I didn't know you had that tattoo in your mouth I only know him I mean I know him now but I think when I saw it I maybe only knew

him as Christopher Darden in the the People vs. OJ Simpson series that they did and it's funny because that show to me kind of reminds me of this marvel thing where like i lived through the oj simpson trial so watching them make this movie i was like oh the white bronco like i was so like excited to relive it you know like feeling like i read the comics when i was young and i'm making it into a movie

that's so funny but that was a crazy time wasn't it wasn't it not wasn't it crazy that is wild that like everyone was just like watching police chase this white bronco on tv and then there was a whole discussion after did he do it did he not do it guess what guys i still think he did it i mean there's no question about it um but uh unless it was his son i don't want to talk about it but um whoa i've never heard that yeah people have a theory that it was his son but i think it was jay i think he's got cte i think he did it he definitely does i had an i did an episode of langston kerman's podcast about conspiracy theories where we talk about that in length if you want to hear it oh i would love to listen to that i i do think that we're mentioning i'm silent i'm remaining silent on whatever my opinion may or

may not be however i will be we're gonna have to cut all this out i will listen to that um i do think bringing up oj is so interesting because it like it was like the culmination of a really like fucked up time in america like after rodney king and all this stuff and like it was like the culmination of a really like fucked up time in america like after rodney king and all this stuff and like this movie like unlike a lot of marvel movies deals with like some real world like actual shit like and and that's what i think makes it transcend like all the other movies you know like it's talking to black people in such a specific way that i was just not ready for when i watched it and it's it's power it's a powerful movie people in such a specific way that I was just not ready for when I watched it. And it's, it's power.

It's a powerful movie. You know, it really is. And also when I was watching it the first time, I was like, holy shit, I can see all the black people. Like everyone's really,

oh my God. It's shot so beautifully. And also just to see a cast of like so many amazing black actors when we've had like basically none for a lot of the series. Right. And seeing a black director shoot these people with like love. And like you said, Nicole,

it's like they're lit properly. Yeah. They have, they look great. Like it's a really, it was revolutionary, you know, like probably bring this up later,

but this was nominated for an Oscar, which like for a Marvel movie, which is crazy. You know, it was nominated for best picture. Yeah. In the year that green book one, by the way,

they were like, we'll nominate the black superhero movie. We're going to have a magical Negro. Yeah. That's so crazy. Black Klansman, black Panther and green book. We're like three of the movies that were in.

Oh, wild one. That's interesting. But interesting but yeah it's it's fascinating and um i'm glad we got to watch it wait sean do you read the do you read marvel comics like how yeah how did you get into it i grew up like not really reading the comics as much like i had some but i more collected the trading cards which was a weird thing oh no one mentioned this yeah like i had some but i more collected the trading cards which was a weird thing oh no one's mentioned this yeah like i honestly got into marvel just knowing like marvel cards like that was it i was a card collect i collected basketball cards i collected uh like football cards so i collected drawings so it would be like each card was like a character you know like you'd see a character

be like loki and then on the back it would have their like stats and where they're from and a little story about them so i really like collected these cards and they were like holographic they were like holograms and i used to like use the cards and make up like stupid little stories with them because i didn't know the comics as well um and then i think my mom gave them away at some point when I got to high school. But it's fine. Rude. You can get a pack of 162 for $200 on Amazon. Well, you know I'm going to be on that shit. But I also collected Garbage Pail Kids, which is another weird thing.

Oh, that's fun. My neighbor collected those. So it felt like something like someone else does. You know what I mean? You're like, I don't know how he got those, but those are cool. I just i just was confused about them i was like so these are some nasty kids i'm supposed to collect yeah they were nasty for sure but yeah then i started reading the comics like a little bit later in life and you know i have tons of holes in my like comic book like i don't know every story but i know a lot of the major ones and i'm very into some of the newer characters like i know you guys are you watched the trailer for uh miss marvel right or yeah

yeah and like that comic is a fairly new comic that is really really really good it was it's such a great comic book and the comic that they adapted the hawkeye series from is another really good one by matt fraction and so like i'll read these stories like honestly i read more star wars comics than marvel but i love knowing a little bit about it but it's it's the mcu like the cinematic universe that i've like gotten really obsessed did i know that there were star wars comics they're maybe not as popular as that's a good question because I'm actually like, I just was like, yeah. And then I'm like, do I know about that?

Yeah, they have. I don't think I knew that. They've got a ton of, they've been doing them for a really long time. Oh yeah, I feel like I've seen this. Is Klocklo Ren in them? Wait, that's not his name. Kylo Ren?

Yeah. Klocklo? There's a whole comic book that explains like how Kylo Ren got like taken in by snoke you know like there's a whole story yes snooki and i'm coming back to me when when there's like oh my god let's not go back there when there is when there is like a character so once they made a movie of a character where an actor plays it does the comic book ever change to look like those people yeah that's a good question yeah i mean they definitely have in star wars and i'm fairly sure that they have in marvel but i do think the marvel history is oh leo you have the answer to this yeah nick

fury nick fury right nick fury was white a long time ago and then after sam jackson started playing him he's now black in the in the comics and cool like you know like that it's great like they do some of that do they explain it or they were just like this is what it is now i think they probably were just like this is him now it seems like it'd be weird to keep drawing him how he was honestly that'd be very funny they're like in the comics he's white in the movie we're not gonna adjust this yeah it's um it's pretty fun like i i like watching the movies and then also like going back and seeing what they used from the comics and what they changed i don't know as a writer i kind of find it pretty interesting it's all kind of a miracle to me that any of it works

yeah so yeah all right well i think it's time for our daily bugle so kind of a miracle to me that any of it works. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, I think it's time for our Daily Bugle segment. Honk, honk. Here we go. Here we go. This is our news segment, obviously, and we're going to give a recap of what's been going on lately in the MCU.

Disney Plus released a new trailer and a new title for She-Hulk Attorney at Law. And there is an official trailer. I saw a clip of this online. Are we going to watch it together? I've seen none of this. Okay. And Tatiana Maslany, who is amazing and hilarious and wonderful, plays She-Hulk.

Being a superhero is a trial by fire. Who's going to protect the world if not people like you? Wow. I'm Jennifer Walters. I'm a lawyer. I have great friends.

Can we get some shots, please? It's an emergency. A demanding job. We just started a superhuman law division and i want you to be the face of it and a frustrating family because we didn't ask for this but you still got to deal with it your transformations are triggered by anger and fear is that her daddy those are like their cousin. Mother? They're just existing. Oh. Oh, oh. It feels like if I don't transform, I'm gonna die.

Yes, yes, yes. No, no. I just want to be a normal, anonymous lawyer.

Can you tell us where She-Hulk is? Jen, you're a story now. Girl, your ass looks crazy right now. You could be an Avenger.

Oh, I'm not a superhero. That is for billionaires and narcissists. And adult orphans, for some reason. Is there anything more depressing than dating in your 30s? Yeah. This is the best date I've had in a while. Oh. Should we split some fries?

Let's get those to go. Oh, they're going to do it. Oh, she is big. I. Oh, she is big. I didn't think she was big. She's pretty big. I also didn't think she was big. I wish she was bigger. Yeah, I think that's really interesting. Her body doesn't become like Bruce Banner huge CGI.

No. When they showed her before, I thought she just got green and muscular. But then in that, she's carrying a man and she's like seven feet tall. It's like she got like kind of big. She gets taller, but like maintains her feminine shape. But she's got that big ass. I think that is something that is kind of, they've done that. They've kind of did that as like as an homage to the comics.

Because I do think that like Jennifer Walters was like, she's the female Thor but she's thick. And I think it's also interesting. She's also kind of a horny character. It seemed like it. She was like, let's get fries. And she was like, that means we're fucking. And it's

really fun to kind of, I don't know, it'll be interesting to see what a sort of horny character looks like in the MCU. Well, you know, we're excited about that. We were waiting for this in every fucking movie. We're like, does anyone even kiss? No. I was not interested till the end.

And then when you said she was horny and I was like, well, I guess I gotta watch it. I do like how she's going to go on dates. I also think it's a little bit of an early trailer as far as the CGI. Like I think they had to release it because of a like disney stockholder meeting kind of thing so i think like cgi will look better she'll look a little bit better by the time the series comes out but oh i'm excited i mean you really think the cgi is gonna get better because i saw dr strange and there's a part where there was a thing on his forehead that was not good looking yeah look you know so and it also it is a tv show so like it doesn't have the budget of like one of the movies but

oh so that's probably why they kept her more like her side i think so i mean i'm excited for that show i think it'll be a little bit more of a comedy than some of the others and yeah we know some fun people that have worked on that show like our friend yeah i think like i'm excited to see what that show is like for sure tatiana is so fucking amazing she's so good she did our ninja turtles tv like podcast a long time ago me and scott used to host a ninja turtles podcast and we were just like joking around that maybe she should play a character named she shredder like a female version of the bad guy from ninja turtles and she got really quiet you know and she couldn't really say anything we're like okay whatever and then like two days later they announced that she was she hulk and i think

she just was like kind of scared she didn't want to blow it but um that's very funny oh my god that's funny it's exciting yeah she's been on comedy bang bang a bunch and if people are which i think is really a fun thing because she was so amazing on um orphan black black and she plays like so many characters on that which i was blown away by and she's also very funny and nice and so that's cool and so i'm excited for her that she got this big thing yeah and i also think like this show might be a little bit more of a like legal procedural where like oh she's she's like kind of in the comics she like represents like superheroes in on trial and stuff oh and there's like a lot of interesting stories that kind of come out of that and so i don't know i think it could be really fun love it all right

i guess i'm excited for it you know i do have a pitch for a character that you could play nicole in season two okay so i i have this marvel encyclopedia that i i bought this encyclopedia at like a comedy garage sale and it used to belong to rob corddry um but i i was looking through it to be like all right so we got to get these girls in these movies, right? So how can we, what do we do? So I picked a character that I think could be in season two of She-Hulk, and she's a little bit horny. Because I was like, what do I know about my friend Nicole?

I was like, well. She's always horny. She's pretty horny. Um, so I think you can play a character named pretty persuasions. And I'm going to show you what a great name. This is, uh,

this is her here. This sort of snake like character. Ooh. And, uh, okay. So here's a little bit of her story. she's an ex-stripper what who uh gained the powers to psionically like trigger the pleasure centers of men's brains like with her mind and

i think it would be really funny if like you played a version of this character that was like represented by uh by she-hulk and it was kind of like okay well this is a sex worker and you guys are like trying to shut her down but like you shouldn't oh my god i love this i love this i just googled her and it says pretty persuasions is a disturbed woman who enjoys using her powers to cause others pain she constantly curses in vile street language i mean this i just i'm like this is nicole but i don't i don't want to make her a villain like i think she could be a sort of misunderstood sort of character that like you could use of course you're a master on the pole

nicole so i think this is a character that you could use those skills with saying that and i think like you and and she hope could be like sort of horny friends who like go out on dates and stuff together. I mean, what a dream. I love that she can psionically stimulate pleasure centers in other people so she can increase erotic urges. And that's really great. So you can like make men come with your mind. I mean, that's all I want to do with my mind. Maybe my mouth.

I also love that she's got like a mullet she's like she's fucking hot i must say yeah there's a lot of honestly there's a lot of ex like call girl ex stripper characters in this book it was very fascinating interesting but i also have a character for lauren and i want to show you and i think i think lauren your world i think you're a more full cgi character that lives in the marvel like the the guardians of the galaxy universe yes yep yeah so this character is named she's right here it's just chicken feet what's going on hold on let me chicken feet there she is oh my god what is her name tell me that doesn't look like lauren that is yeah i see the connection for sure i mean i don't feel great about it but yeah i do see the connection

what's her name she is bird brain bird brain i think i love it so she was a character that was created in a lab by this guy named annie mater something. I don't know. It's kind of weird, but I thought it was really similar to Rocket, Bradley Cooper's character in Guardians of the Galaxy. So I think it could be cool. I do think they're doing a like Rocket and Groot spinoff series at some point. So they do this. I think that you could be like another one of the lab experiments that like

Rocket meets and like you join forces to like hunt down who made you guys. I would love to be this free. I think it would be really fun. I love bird brain. And you could be really funny. And like, it just reminds like, look,

Lauren, Nicole's, she's very horny. Lauren, you play a lot of incredible freaks. Yeah. You know, it makes a lot of sense.

She looks like a bird version of Cruella de Vil, which I really resonate. She really does, and I'm here for it. I love her. I think that to get you guys in this universe, I think you got to have a little bit of a plan. And I don't know. I'm just like, I find places for you guys to exist.

I think you guys could live in this world. I'm thinking about Pretty Persuasion, having a love interest with Mahershala Ali's's character and blade oh my god do you know you talk talk to somebody look i shot the fans of the pod let's start hired as a writer and just make this happen let me tell you if that ever happens if that ever happens i will pitch a pretty persuasions bird brain spin-off where you guys just fucking yuck it up do they ever exist together because i really love the idea of like a former stripper and her bird brain friend yeah i love this idea fighting crime and you guys start a podcast yeah we always have to end up doing a

podcast as much as we try not to we end up somehow having a podcast it's like it's our kryptonite and then have to do a podcast I think it could be really fun I say to the fans of newcomers like like let's just get this out there Nicole should be playing a version of Heidi Franklin pretty persuasion and of course Lauren should be bird brains

I think people are going to get right on board with this let's get on board tweet at Kevin Feige Feige Lauren should be bird brains. I think people are going to get right on board with this. Let's get on board. I think so too. Yeah. Tweet at Kevin Feige. Feige? Yeah. Feige.

Say it however you want. Feige? Oh my God. Yes. I think it's Feige. Okay. Well, here's the second. We're still in the Daily Bugle. Oh, sorry.

Sorry. I hijacked your segment. No, it's great. I love it. So Marvel has released a new trailer for Thor Love and Thunder, which gave us a first look at Christian Bale as villain Gore, the God Butcher. I was staring at this and feeling very unsettled. It's super creepy.

He's very Voldemort, I must say. You like it? I'm into it. The one where he's wearing the hood and like staring at me in the eyes. That is the scariest image. Yeah, I'd go down on you. You would go down on him? No questions asked.

I think I'd be a little afraid that like maybe the dust from his skin would like get on me. But like, yeah, I'm smashing. I'm here for it. Okay, I'm not. However, I am still interested in smashing Hulk's giant ass

from the previous movie. Yeah, the butt was good. It was a nice juicy booty. There's some horniness coming to the MCU. I'm happy about it. Oh, my God. Okay, well, the other bit of news is it seems more and more likely that Disney Plus will reboot the Netflix Marvel series Daredevil with Charlie Cox as the devil of Hell's Kitchen. Daredevil with Charlie Cox as the devil of Hell's Kitchen.

Variety learned from a source, the new series is in development with Matt Corman and Chris Ord as writers and executive producers. What? Yeah. So you guys, did you guys both see the new Spider-Man movie or just Nicole? We, no, we just saw the...

I was like, I saw the new Spider-Man? No, you saw the one with Topi. So in that movie, there's probably a really confusing part early on where a character comes on screen and everyone starts screaming. And he's like Spider-Man's lawyer in one of the early scenes and he catches a brick or something. That is Matt Murdock, Daredevil from the Netflix shows. And everyone was really excited because those shows were kind of decanonized for a while. And then they brought them back. And the first time you see one of them is in the Spider-Man movie or Hawkeye or something.

But it's kind of interesting. This show was kind of like owned by Netflix and now Disney owns it. So they're going to reboot it. Okay. Talk about a horny character. Matt Murdock's a horny character. Matt Murdock is. Well, I mean, I don't know if he's specifically horny,. Matt Murdock's a horny character. Matt Murdock is.

Well, I mean, I don't know if he's specifically horny, but like he has this like love interest with a character named Electra. Yep. Who's fuck, she's, I mean, their chemistry on the TV show was really, really good. He's very, he's very flirtatious in the Netflix series. And he's also blind. So he does lots of like, oh, help me. I'm like, but flirty. Or he'll go up to a woman and be like, I can hear your heart beating faster.

Oh, wow. Or he'll be like, I need you to help me walk and then like offer his arm. Oh, and then he's like, not really. I'm just horny. That's funny. All right. Well, let's take a quick break. We'll be right back with more Black Panther after this. If you're wondering what a NordVPN is, I'll tell you. VPN stands for Virtual Private Network, a service that protects your internet connection and online privacy. A VPN creates an encrypted tunnel for

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Okay, so Black Panther was written by Ryan Coogler and Joe Robert Cole, directed by Ryan Coogler. And it was released two days after Valentine's Day in the year of 2018. Oh, wow. And let's jump into our plot here. How about that? Yes. So a father tells his son the story of Wakanda. Millions of years ago, five African tribes went

to war over a meteorite made up of the alien metal vibranium until a warrior shaman ingested a heart-shaped herb and gained superhuman abilities. The first Black Panther united all of the tribes except the Jabari tribe to form the nation of Wakanda. And the Wakandans used the

vibranium to develop highly advanced technology while posing as a third world country which is truly wild yeah i thought that was so it's such a cool point like plot yeah yeah it's uh it's interesting because i i do think a lot of people think of africa as like just a a fully third world uh it's a continent right yeah um that it's all third ones like no there's some parts that are great but like we're even experiencing that with covid right now where like they'll have um like science before we do like information that they've gotten and yeah like oh well it started there and it's like no they're actually working harder and better than us yeah so much of so much of this movie draws on the sort of concept of Afrofuturism,

which is like this really interesting sort of reimagining of Africa and places like that to be these like high tech utopias. And it's really cool to see it on screen in this movie because, you know, I've seen it in books and stuff. And it's like, it's done so well in this that you're like you know what this is believable that all these black people might be smarter than everybody like i kind of love it like it's it's fun it is nice to say um so in 1992 king tachaka i cannot say this actor's name and i'm not gonna try because i think it's setting myself up for failure nope i'm gonna try at uh nope so he

i'm proud of you for getting king tachaka correctly yeah thank you yeah thank you none of these names are easy it's it's hard so well just keep going with the sentences. I mean, you might find that you can. Yeah, I think I might fuck up here. So he visits his brother Nobu? Njobu? Njobu? Njobu, yeah. I don't know.

Who's working undercover in Oakland. That's Sterling K. Brown. Yes, Sterling K. Brown. And T'Chaka accuses Njobu of assisting Ulysses Klaus in stealing vibranium from Wakanda. N nijobu's partner james is revealed that he is zuri and that's denzel whittaker another undercover wakandian and confirms tachaka's suspicions uh below nijobu's son watches and now that scene i feel like the first time i saw that i was like holy shit yeah it was like it's like right at the beginning there's a good twist. There's that little,

like when they pull their lips down and you see that little tattoo, you're kind of like, what is this movie? Like, I think what's so great about this is like, you don't need to kind of, if this was not connected to the Marvel cinematic universe, it would be as if maybe more interesting to be honest,

that it's just all these really new, cool ideas coming out. Yeah. That scene, like, I feel like Zuri, the character is like, interesting to be honest that it's just all these really new cool ideas coming out yeah that scene like i feel like zuri the character is like he's playing so well that he doesn't know what's going on like when they come in and he's like oh and then he's like bow down and he's like oh okay and then it turns out he was it's just incredible directing and incredible performances and like so one i'll just point out a little bit of the connections. Like you guys remember in Civil War when Black Panther's father is killed in that explosion.

So that actor is T'Chaka in this scene, but he's played by that actor's son. So they kind of look alike. And so King T'Chaka in this scene is played by that actor's son. So it's a very cool, like, they're just hiring all the black people in Hollywood, which is really cool. That's awesome. That must be so cool for a family, too. Like, your parent was in the movie, and then they're like, and now we want you to do this. Yeah, it's really cool.

And you also mentioned Ulysses Klaue, which is a character who's played by, what's the golem, whatever that guy's name is. Oh, yeah. Andy Serkis. Andy's circus. Andy's circus. And he shows up in Avengers age of Ultron. If you remember when, yes, when Ultron like gets the vibranium from him,

it's all kind of connected back to the story. So like within the first five minutes, it's like kind of catching you up to like a few things have happened in this universe. And you know, so it's interesting that you guys watched it before without seeing any of the movies and now you have a little bit yeah context yeah on this watch i was like oh i remember okay but it's funny because like on my first watch it didn't matter it wasn't like who is this I was like, this man was bad. Bad guy, good guy. Yeah. Totally. Totally. Bad guy, good guy, I get it.

Bad guy, I'm following enough to keep watching and not have to ask questions. Okay, so in the present day T'Challa, Chadwick Boseman returns to Wakanda with Okoye. Okoye. Okoye. Danai Gurira. I'm trying the names. No, that was good. That was great.

Yeah, I think that was actually correct. Okay, great. Wow great wow i'm nailing it to assume that i fuck everything up i can't reach to assume the throne after the events of captain america civil war uh first he must extract his ex-lover nakia lapida yango from an undercover assignment in nigeria so she can attend the coronation. And then he then reunites with his mother, Queen Ramonda Angela Bassett, who's like amazing. And sister Princess Shuri Letitia Wright. And Angela Bassett, I'm just like, she's on 9-1-1. And she's so good on that.

But it's like that's such a different style of acting. And then when you see her, she's done everything. So, I mean, it's just amazing. But just like I most recently watched her in that and then to watch this and then she's just like she kills it the whole movie. I love how much network

television you watch, Laura. I watch so much. You're keeping the big four alive. I really like to watch that stuff. I don't know what's going on. Thanks for pointing that out. That is true. That is odd.

No, it's not. I think you watch network. None of my friends watch it. Like they never know what I going on thanks for pointing that out that is true that is odd no it's not i think none of my friends watch it like they never know what i'm talking about i think you watch a lot of tv because i do too i feel like it rewards you for watching it like you see the end of a season and you're like oh this is everything that's happened before and like i do think that that's kind of what you get from these marvel movies a little bit but i don't know it's mainstream in a similar way it's like yes yeah can we talk about how great all of these fucking people look just like when you see chadwick boseman the first time you're like holy shit this man i know he's so pretty or he was very very pretty yeah you know r.i.p like it's such a trap like i remember really getting i almost i don't think i cried but i could have cried when he passed away because this movie was so shocking so it

was so shocking but i just also think like to get to make this movie yeah and have this be part of his legacy is so like really incredible it's really incredible. And Lupita looks fucking amazing in this movie. She's so pretty. I think she's like a perfect woman. I think she's so pretty. Beautiful. Her face is like literally symmetrical. It's like not fair.

And like her smooth is, her smooth, her skin is the smoothest skin I've ever seen. Her smooth is the skin. Her smooth is the skin. Her smooth is the smooth. But she's so beautiful. And Okoye who is.

And the costumes. Costumes are amazing. Okoye who's bald in the movie which i think is so fucking cool like she i think so too very rarely do you get to see black women be bald yeah there's a lot of like uh coogler talking about this movie and a lot of the motifs and like things he did to kind of put his stamp on it and And the Dora Milaje are bald in the comics, but I think like bringing it into the movies is like a bit of a risk, but also like he uses it to such,

like we'll talk about another scene later, but like he just uses it in such an interesting way and everyone looks so fucking great. Like when, you know, when, like even when like his little sister comes on screen, who, what's her name? I forget. Shruti, obviously.

Shruti. She's like, she's like this younger, little sister comes on screen who what's what's her name i forget uh sherry obviously shroody um she's like she's like this younger almost unknown actor and you're just like damn i i it's so easy to watch all these people on screen i know i love it yeah everyone's like a really good actor i mean that's not true of every yeah okay so it's like it's like comforting like it's easy to watch the scene when you're like wow every single person is killing it totally so good okay and at the same time clow and his associate eric stevens michael b jordan steal back a vibranium artifact from a museum in london and that scene is so fun when he poisons the docent or whatever she is um that was you call her the docent from the museum what's a docent they're like a guide or like a person who works in the museum and like

knows everything i can't wait to use that in the wrong context and someone's like nicole what are you talking about the docent over here lauren you could have been like the docent is this character from marvel that like kind of. Yeah, the docent. It's her superpower. You guys like that scene. Like Michael B. Jordan's sort of adult introduction to this movie. Yeah. Yeah.

It's kind of brutal too. Like there's more shooting of people and like more death in this movie than a lot of other. But I will say it's not like gruesome. Like in the new Doctor Strange, I was like, yikes. This one just felt like a, like a the new doctor strange i was like yikes this one just felt like a like a that scene felt like a heisty scene it was like i think the movie also changes genre sometimes and it's fun because like that scene totally doesn't work with like the fight scenes later but it all does work together if that makes any sort of sense well and also i feel

like the locations like dictate the tone a lot in this movie like when they're like in the city it's like a totally it feels like a totally different movie yeah um one of the motifs he talks about in the movie is like traditionalism versus like advancement and like you know i do think it's intentional that like michael b jordan's character is so the opposite of t'challa like t'challa is really like he wants to be king and he cares about all these traditions and you know uh killmonger michael b jordan's character is just like fuck all that i don't care i'm gonna do my own thing it really comes off and like it's really well done like i like that scene okay so four tribes of wakanda gather for the coronation ceremony the border tribe the river tribe merchant tribe, the river tribe, merchant tribe, and the mining

tribe. They are invited by Zuri, Forrest Whitaker, to challenge T'Challa's ascent to the throne and decline. But the Jabari tribe shows up and its leader M'Baku, Winston Duke, who is very funny later, challenges T'Challa. The two engage in ritual combat and T'Challa

wins. T'Challa is crowned the new king and drinks from the heart-shaped herb and he goes to deep sleep and visits the... The ancestral plane. The ancestral, thank you, plane and reunites with his father, which is like the same kind of plane that Thor goes to in Thor Ragnarok.

I was gonna say. Wow, you guys are making connections here. What do you think of Unbaku's character like uh i think i think it's winston duke i think he might be the hottest man in this movie i know michael b jordan i think you're right michael b jordan is definitely incredible but something about um baku when they like come out of the shadows and they're kind of just like chanting yeah that shit gets me hyped like i'm like these motherfuckers are cool yeah i loved him in this movie yeah he's awesome he's so pretty oh he's our age he's 35 and also this scene is like so colorful and so like cool there's like all this like actual like all the tribes in this are based on real tribes in africa so like you can

go in and kind of look at like oh this tribe with the red is from this tribe from senegal or whatever it's like really well done cool and this is when he falls off the thing no this is when that's later he defeats uh umbaku and like gets the crown you know um i also love that they played with like the lip plates and the gauging yeah you just get to see a lot of different styles of African culture. Even what, even the language they speak is HOSA, which is like,

there's a click in the beginning of it. And I think like it's based on, it's an African language. And like, there's just so much like Africa in this movie that I don't know. It just makes it so different. Like it is a traditional like origin story of a hero like that could probably get a little boring,

but like all of the like little touches and sort of Afro futurist stuff makes it so cool. So T'Challa goes for a walk with Nakia and urges her to stay in Wakanda. At a council meeting, the leaders discuss Klaue's actions. T'Challa's friend and Okoye's lover, Wakabi Daniel Kaluuya, wants Klaue to be brought to justice.

T'Challa, Okoye, and Nakia plan to intercept Klaue at an underground casino in Busan, Korea. Why is it Korea weird? You didn't know I loved it? I was like, Busan, Korea? Busan, Korea? I tried to pronounce it.

We'll see. T'Challa visits Shuri's lab for a new suit and equipment, which was really cool, too. Yeah. She's kind of like Q from the James Bond movies. They say that this character is- We don't know who Q is. Yeah. We're like, we don't know.

It's just the guy who's always like, James Bond, check this out. This watch shoots whatever from it, and check out your new car. Anyways. Anyways. This character is considered as smart, if not smarter than Tony Stark, who's before this the smartest person in the world. But it almost felt like Tony Stark was never that smart. And he just had a lot of machines that knew stuff. Yeah.

He could just put together a suit from a box of scraps and make a machine. He's pretty smart they get more into that later but he did build the first iron man prototype in a cave that's okay i forgot about that he did do that but sherry's a really cool character and you know like the new black panther movie that is coming out i think this year or next year i don't even know if i know supposedly more focused on her obviously because chadwick boseman passed away so she kind of takes on the mantle of the star of these black panther movies so could be interesting cool in the future i'm excited it's coming out in november oh that's soon because it's may now the plan however goes wrong when

t'challa discovers that claus's buyer is a CIA agent, Everett Ross, Martin Freeman. Who I love. And he's, he's Binbom. What's his name? Bing, Bingom Baggins. Bing, Bingbong, Bingbong. Bingbong Baggins. Wow.

You remember everything from the Lord of the Rings. Oh, yeah. Fucking Bilbo. And Bilbo. And he, I just also have to plug that I watch, there's another show that I watch. This is not um on abc but it's um it's called breeders and he's on that have you guys seen that no it's really good is that fx yeah i think he's great i i liked i loved him on the office of the british

office obviously i've never seen the british me either just the american one and i started it this year you know i used i would want to say it's worth watching but to be honest a lot of it is i don't know it's complicated ricky jervis you know but um it's oh he's so progressive and i like him um but i love um martin freeman in this and as the as the like one of the main white people in this movie it's kind of fun that he's like one of two you know throughout yeah it's pretty fun um so klaus or clow clow it's actually claw just like lol it's spelled like a stupid way but his name is ulysses claw and in the comics he has like a bionic arm and that's kind of what you see in the movie so it's spelled a stupid way so claw attempts to escape into chala roshuri nikia and oh koi i can't say that one it's hard for me to

say simple words so nobody get mad that i can't say these names well we've only done it in every single episode i mean this also has maybe the harder names of all the movies. Yeah, but I still think it's not our strong suit. Yeah, names are very hard. So they intercept him in a car, chase across the city. Claw, I can't believe it's not Clow. And we're having fun saying Clow. I'm going to say Clow ultimately crashes and T'Challa comes close to killing him,

but the civilians filming him, he hands him to the custody of the CIA. The next day, Ross interrogates Glau and is rescued by Eric. T'Challa decides to take Ross, who has been severely injured while protecting Nakia, to Wakanda, where Shuri can use the nation's advanced technology to save him. He learns about Wakanda's various advanced tech in the lab. And after noticing a necklace worn by Eric, T'Challa confronts zuri and learns that eric is nijobu's son left behind by zuri and t'challa's father in the 90s they lied about eric's existence

in order to maintain a lie that nijobu vanished when they had really killed him ross gives them more information about eric's black uh black ops past revealing that he goes by killmonger now i'm like did he call himself a killmonger or did like a friend go damn you kill a lot by Killmonger. Now I'm like, did he call himself Killmonger? Or did like a friend go, damn, you kill a lot, you Killmonger? Like that's a wild nickname to give someone. You can't give it to yourself. I think it's like supposed to be like

a badge of honor for him because he's like some war hero or something. I don't know. It's the name from the comics and I think they do a decent job of making it not seem completely stupid that people are calling him Killmmonger yeah i didn't it didn't even strike you as anything honestly it's like more that like reading it out loud in the summary is more shocking here's a question i have for you is specifically to cole like what do you think of all these actors

basically having to do like african accents throughout like do you think you could do that like do you think you could handle here's the thing yeah i would have to they would have to pay for um what is it a drama a dialect coach who helps me what's a dramaturg they like um they they write just marvel thing where they like they come in actually look this up they like decide like what goes where on like a in a theater play and they are involved with the set and also regarding this so i don't need a dramaturg i need a dialect coach and i would just have to like re-up with them every now and again to be like am i still doing this right because uh yeah i'll start an accent and then 15 minutes later it's like well now you're

doing Jamaican I do remember um after this movie came out I would like walk around my apartment just going the black panther like I just kind of love the way everyone is speaking throughout this movie and like so funny I think it's like it's it's also like kind of love the way everyone is speaking throughout this movie. And like, so funny. I think it's like, it's, it's also like kind of wild that like everyone has this great accent. They kind of blend into the movie, but you're like, Oh,

Daniel, look, we like the star of get out is like a seventh build in this movie. It's like kind of a small movie. Like it's really cool to see all these actors get to come in and like act and play these characters that I don't know, it feels like a sort of a stretch, not a stretch,

but like you don't get to see all a bunch of black actors come in and like create these characters from scratch. I just think it's really, really cool. Well, like you were saying with the Nick Fury character that he's white in the comic books, it's like that one was like,

Oh cool. But it's like to have a whole movie where you have all the characters. It's great. Um, meanwhile, was like oh cool but it's like to have a whole movie where you have all the characters yeah it's great um meanwhile killmonger kills clow and takes his body to the wakanda border where wakabi lets him in he challenges t'challa for the throne in ritual combat and gets his revenge by killing zuri he throws t'challa over a waterfall where he is presumed dead that part was sad i didn't like that part at all i know and i also because i always forget like how things play out i was like he died so i think that's kind of a bet like it's like cool that the movie for a second makes you go wait a minute is he really like yeah it's more believable than any other kind of fake out in any of these yeah because he falls so far away he falls very very far and you

see him get like stabbed like you're like this is not supposed to happen and then he's gone for a minute yeah and i do think the direction of that like we should talk about the music of this movie too like yeah the the guy uh ludwig ludwig bjornson or something yeah i've heard of him yeah uh the guy who made the music for this was like a friend of kugler's who like also made the music for the mandalorian and like oh has made a bunch for this was like a friend of Kugler's who like also made the music for The Mandalorian and like has made a bunch of he's like an Oscar winning composer. I think he won the Oscar for this movie. There's so much like actual like Senegalese chanting in it. Like there's so much stuff that comes up.

Like when this fight starts and you start hearing that like, like it gets me so hype. And then when he starts losing the fight the music cuts out and you're like oh shit like oh this is really scary it's it's really cool yeah yeah when i saw this at the hollywood bowl they flew out a bunch of people from africa and it was wild and very cool to watch wow it was like really really fucking cool i got in a fight with a lady and heard stupid fucking kids because i was like okay i get it cool. I got in a fight with a lady and her stupid fucking kids. Cause I was like, okay, I get it. Marvel like is for kids, but the fucking Phil Harmonic is here. And those people took a fucking flight from Africa.

Your kids have to be quiet. Yeah. Yeah. I think at the Hollywood bowl, it's like, you're actually seeing a performance. I'm just watching a movie. And it was so cool. And Michael B. Jordan was there. And when he got on stage, all of the women

at the Hollywood Bowl were like ahhh! Not even like yay! Just like screaming at this man. That must be crazy. Love him. Alright, well Nakia, Ramonda and Shuri plan to escape while Okoye and the Dora Milaj army

decide to stay behind. So Killmonger, he drinks the heart-shaped herb and then he orders for the rest of it to be burnt. And this part was wild because that lady was like, oh, I don't think so. Then he chokes her out. He's like, you do what the fuck I say. And I was like, ah, he is a Killmonger.

But then Nakia secretly takes one. Killmonger, supported by Wakabi and the Border Tribe, enacts his father's plan, preparing shipments of Wakandan weapons to arm oppressed people around the world. Nakia, Shuri, Ross, and Ramonda escape to the Jabari tribe and learn M'Baku's men are caring for the comatose T'Challa.

He's like in a snow bed. They feed the heart-shaped herb brought by Nakia to T'Challa, who returns to the ancestral plane again. He confronts his father about Eric, and he then wakes up, makes up with M'Baku, and the group heads back. T'Challa confronts Killmonger,

who now has his own panther suit. Shuri, Nakia, and... How do I say this, Sean? Okoye? Is that how you said it, Sean? Okoye, yeah. Okoye joined the... Oh my God.

The Dora the Explorer... Dora Malaje. ...Majali. What is it? The Dora Malaje. I don't know if I said it right. How do what is it? The Dora Malaji I don't know if I said it right how do you say it? The Dora Malaji. Maybe I should read the plot in the accent. They had the hardship and he goes to the

ancestral plane I mean it's pretty good. I mean I don't think I should. So then they battle. Hey Lauren do you want to try the Wakandan accent? Um sure on a podcast? Yeah On a podcast? Yeah. On a podcast where it's recorded?

Yeah, why not? Okay. So a bunch of people fight. Ross piloting a remote jet, shoots down the planes carrying the weapons before they leave the country. And then, oh God, you just said it. Oh, okay. Tore malaje.

Oh, okoye. Oh, okoye. oh god you just said it oh okay oh okay oh okay uh convinced wakabi for the army to stand down if anyone could follow this i'm just like it's so bad well it's so funny because okoye kind of like she's that's like her husband or something in the story and they kind of choose different sides in this war which i thought was kind of interesting um and then at the end she kind of like comes up and she's like bitch stop playing around he's like i'm sorry baby like he like kneels to her a lot of this movie i will say like to talk about just black women in general the black women are extremely strong in this movie but you also see a lot of killmonger.

Like he kills a black woman early on. He chokes this other black woman. Like it really starts this. I know I got into a conversation with Lacey Mosley about this a long time ago. Like it starts this conversation about how black women are treated in this community. And there's that fight scene where they're in the like casino,

you know? And there's a long like breakdown of that scene by ryan coogler on youtube where he talks about how those characters use their femininity as weapons like one of them pulls her wigs off and throws it at somebody and she hits them with the high heel like and when you see the movie broken down from that standpoint it's really cool and it's fun to see like the strength of the Dora Milaje and you know all that stuff anyways that's what I think like it's great to see that and I do think

there can be more strong black women in these movies like pretty persuasion like I'm just saying like if we want to get them we know some actors that can do it yeah for sure let me be pretty persuasion please Kevin Feige come on Kevin come, Kevin Feige. Come on, Kevin.

Come on, Paul Feige. Yes, do it. Please. So T'Challa and Killmonger fall into the city below where sonic disruptors on the train incapacitate their vibranium armor. T'Challa uses this to his advantage and impales Killmonger. He takes him to watch the Wakanda sunset. Killmonger refuses T'Challa's offer to be healed and pulls the dagger out of his chest,

choosing to die a free man rather than be incarcerated. I mean, that makes sense. But I'm just like, he's probably going to appear again, right? I don't know. So then T'Challa establishes an embassy in Oakland, California, purchasing an apartment complex where N'Jobu was murdered. T'Challa appoints Shuri and Nakia to run the embassy soon after T'Challa appears before

the United Nations. And the rebuilt V-Venia? Venia? Vienna. Oh my god! When I hear the words, like, said correctly, I'm like, how come my brain wouldn't do that for me? That's okay! Because your brain is acclimated to be like, oh, these are all

made-up words from the Marvel Universe. So I'm just going to say how made up version. You're being very kind. Vienna International Center. Well, I think it does affect how you read it. Yeah.

To reveal Wakanda's source of, source to the world and come out of isolation. Yeah. And then, like we were saying in the post credit scene,

Wakandan children wake up Bucky Barnes, call him White Wolf. And he steps outside of a tent where Shuri says he is ready to begin mental deprogramming. I couldn't believe it. Why is he in African garb? Why is she not? Who are these kids?

What was she wearing? She was wearing just a white jacket. Did he come naked and then they had to put him in something? He's on sabbatical trying to work out his like mental programming. He's doing his own eat, pray, love. And he doesn't have his other arm on. So he's just like, I'm chilling. They call him the white wolf.

All the black kids love him. Like when they first brought him. So Chris Evans, Captain America brings him to Wakanda. And I was like, why is it now Wakanda's, like, why is it their responsibility to rehabilitate this white man? Well, because they have the technology to do it. Like, they're much smarter than everyone else.

And I guess all this stuff comes into play a little later. I do want to talk about the end of the movie, though. Wait, but first I think it's funny that the kids call him White Wolf when his literal name is Winter Soldier. There's a character in the comic. It's like snow. There's a character in the comics named White Wolf.

Snowman would have been funny. Oh, does Bucky Barnes become White Wolf? I think they're like playing around with the idea, but I think he's still kind of just the Winter Soldier. It's funny to me that they call him the White Wolf in a movie called Black Panther. Like they're going to become like, like best friends or something, but it's just kind of a nod to the comics. I think. Um,

what did you want to say about that? I did want to say like, I have one criticism of this movie in that when they fall into that, like train fight scene and it's like a full on CGI battle of just like two video game characters. Like I can't like that fight. Isn't that interesting to me? Because like,

there's nothing real in it. Like it's like Chadwick Boseman is gone. Like you're just kind of watching these two avatars fight, but then it's followed by like, I think the line of the movie killmongers last words, which are like black Panthers. Like, I think we can save you.

And killmonger says, bury me in the ocean with my ancestors that jumped from the ships because they knew death was better than bondage. And I think to myself, did they just say that in a Marvel movie? I mean, it's pretty fucking intense. Yeah. It's so intense. It's so heavy and like really plays into the themes of this movie.

Because like obviously like T'Challa is like your Martin Luther King and he's kind of your like malcolm x like by any means necessary kind of like so to see those two things kind of like blend and ultimately like killmonger wins in that he does convince black panther to use his technology to help the world it's just in a different way i don't know i think that these are the moments that make this transcend a little higher than like dr strange and some of these other really great movies but like this kind of makes it an oscar movie where you're like damn this is talking about something real yeah so yeah i think that shit's cool well speaking of awards black panther received a bunch of nominations and wins during the 2019 awards season it was nominated for seven academy awards including best picture

one best costume design best original score and best production design the soundtrack was seven Academy Awards, including Best Picture, one Best Costume Design, Best Original Score, and Best Production Design. The soundtrack was nominated for eight Grammys, including Album of the Year, Song of the Year, Record of the Year, and won Best Rap Performance for King's Dead by Kendrick Lamar, J-Rock, Future, and James Blake? James Blake. I thought James Blake was like some rapper.

James Blake? Who's that? And Best Score Soundtrack. And the cast also won a SAG Award I thought James Blake was like some rapper. James Blake? Who's that? And best score soundtrack. And the cast also won a SAG award for outstanding performance by a cast in a motion picture. And here's some awards trivia. Disney hired Academy Award campaign strategist Cynthia Schwartz to create a nomination campaign on behalf of the film for the 91st academy awards with kevin figgy figgy how do i say that however you i believe it's figgy from someone kevin and marvel studios said that they gave the film a noteworthy budget for awards season which marvel

hadn't done with previous uh mcu films i love that because it is a special movie and i'm glad that they saw that you gotta respect that they thought like look this character that has existed i do think black panther existed before the black panthers even as a comic and it's really cool to see them understand how important this character was for the black community like of course blade with uh wesley snipes was like the first black marvel character but this is like when this happenedipes was like the first black Marvel character but this is like when this happened it was like a game changer for people and I think about

like young black kids watching this movie it's really really special so they put their money where their mouth was in a way and they hired Ryan Coogler who I don't think they could have hired a better person to do this movie and he wasn't like a super experienced director he had done Fruitvale Station right yeah yeah that was such an incredible movie yeah

so to have that sort of foresight is kind of where marvel starts to like catch their groove of like let's get taika to make a movie let's get kugler to make a movie you know they have some people making movies later on that are really interesting. So I think it's tight. Yeah. I didn't realize Ryan Coogler was only our age. Yeah, he's very young. Yeah, he's like a USC kid, right? I don't know.

Well, Black Panther had incredible box office success, and the film grossed a worldwide total of $1.347 billion. Damn. It is the first movie in the MCU to surpass its production cost in347 billion. Damn. It is the first movie in the MCU to surpass its production cost in its opening weekend. And it became the highest grossing solo superhero film, the third highest grossing film

of the MCU, and superhero film overall. The ninth highest grossing film of all time. Wow. And the highest grossing film by a black director. Wow.

It's incredible. Just an all-around achievement. It's incredible. And just thearound achievement it's incredible and just the idea of like wakanda forever being this like rallying cry for like yo black people in marvel are as powerful as anyone else if not more powerful it's fire man i love everyone wanted to see it it's like yeah yeah uh so okay so critics likewise love the movie. It holds 96% approval rating on Rotten Tomatoes, which I think is too low. In Time Magazine,

writer Jamil Smith said that it would prove to Hollywood that African-American narratives have the power to generate profits from all audiences. It is funny because it's like, it did do all this, but no, like people think it's an anomaly and don't think that we'll spend money to see

things but it's like we will like the fact that like there hasn't really been another girls trip like that wasn't an anomaly it was like you make a good movie with black people we'll go see it totally and then and tyler perry is just over here like i'll keep collecting money if y'all won't do it i will yeah um and described as a resistance to a regressive cultural and political movement fueled by who in part by the white nationalist is native oh white nativist movement it seems challenge institutional biases its characters take unsettled digs at oppressors and its narrative includes this is a hard this one's hard at oppressors and its narrative includes, this is a hard, this one's hard for me to read.

This narrative includes prismatic. Is that the word? Perspectives on black life and tradition. I feel like people listening to this podcast are like, did Nicole go to school? No, you're just reading someone's dissertation. She didn't go to college.

No, this is all difficult shit to read. I will say that like, you're very kind. Marvel is not not there's other marvel characters that are in the works that are going to be uh african-american there's a character named ironheart who's like a young teenage black woman who becomes kind of like the new iron man in this world wait who what's her name ironheart that's fun uh and then also

uh blade is coming back with maherhala Ali, another great black character. Hopefully Wesley Snipes gets to have a cameo in that. So Marvel does, hopefully they continue to put black characters on screen and they're making the Wakanda movie. There's going to be a series, I believe, that's called Wakanda Forever, which again, if there's a spot for Nicole and Lauren.

Hey, I could be the one white person. You could be the one white person in the Wakanda Forever, which again, if there's a spot for Nicole and Lauren. I beg and make. Hey, I could be the one white person. You could be the one white person in the Wakanda Forever series. I still really would like you to get into a Tyler Perry film and be there. I feel like I need to be the white bitch who's like really annoying and like, I need this. I want that for you. Can you guys shut up over there? I'm trying to do a podcast.

I have like high pigtails. I'm like, I'm trying to do a podcast I have like high pigtails I'm trying to record a podcast Really annoying Okay so here's some trivia Oh wait we have to do a break We do Now the trivia starts. Contrary to popular belief, Black Panther wasn't named after the Black Panther Party. The first comic where Black Panther appears was published months before the party was formed. The character was briefly named the Black Leopard.

That's not as good. That name didn't stick. That sucks. Who is it? It's the Black Leopard. Well, because also like a panther is black. It's like a leopard has spots. You don't think it'd be cool if he was like,

you will now become the Black Leopard. Not as cool? Yeah, not as cool. The language spoken by Wakandans is a real language. Kausha. Wow. It's called. It's called.

Kosha. The X is a click, right? So it's like. Okay. Hosa. Oh. It's not. I mean, we're not used to pronouncing the clicks in these words.

Yeah. But that's, I think, how it's pronounced. So it's pronounced. So it's a South African language characterized by clicks and glottal stops. It's the same language that is native to Nelson Mandela. It's from the Cape region of South Africa, and the name Wakanda comes from the Wakamba tribe of Kenya, also known as the Kamba. Cool.

Director Ryan Coogler compared the Wakandan vibranium mines to real-life situations of the Congo mines, where the valuable mineral, huh, coltan, used in manufacturing digital products is only found in the Congo region as being mined. Weird. I didn't know that. Yeah, it's like in all of your iPhones, basically. That's so weird. It's really interesting. And look, you know, what happens around those mines.

It's like tragic that we exploit these countries in a in a way so like when you hear the wakanda story of being like we can't let anybody know we got this fucking vibranium they're just gonna come in here and get it yeah it really is like touching on some real real world i had no idea that was a thing um the royal talon remote pilot system is voiced by Trevor Noah. That's a little fact for you. Yeah, a little tidbit. I didn't know that. Ooh. They got all the black people in this shit.

And Ryan Coogler brought in consultants who are experts on African history and politics to work on defining Wakanda so that many different African countries' histories and identities could be represented, which we pointed out. That's very cool. Production designer. Oh, my God. Production designer.annah beachler hannah beachler designer hannah beachler

that is truly what my math was trying to make me say production designer h Beechler created a 515 page oh my god bible on the history of Wakanda damn Hannah went above and beyond she said

you can't fire me now actors Andy Serkis and Martin Freeman who had previously worked together in the Lord of the Rings movies which we didn't even mention he's Gollum

yes he's Gollum we're jokingly referred to on set as the Tolkien oh the Tolkien white guys that's funny that's funny the Tolkien I've never the Tolkien white guys. That's funny. That's funny. The Tolkien. I've never heard that.

That's very funny. That is funny. It's time for our segment Is Chris in This? This is our segment where we have a yes or no conversation about if a Chris is in this film.

Chris Hemsworth, Chris Evans, Chris Pat, Chris Penn. You know what? There's not a Chris in this film. No Chris in this thing. But was a kiss in this? Yes. At the end, there was a kiss.

Yes, there was. Black Pant, Lupita, and Chadwick have a little bit of a kiss. And that was a kiss yes there was Black Panther Lupita and Chadwick have a little bit of a kiss and that was a good kiss and we were very happy it was a nice new yummy kiss

and this is our segment Five Star Industries where we read newcomers listener reviews and this one comes from Mainman08 can't believe this made me rewatch

Ant-Man my husband made a promise to watch every Marvel movie because you both are he's only ever seen the barest minimum of them I thought I liked these movies and have watched the majority of them, but Ant-Man broke us. I can't believe we watched Ant-Man. Wow. I'd do it again if you'd ask, but that would be so much torture. Please don't make us watch Ant-Man again for the sake of our marriage and sanity. This is not right. I loved Ant-Man. We loved it and i'm i'm so sorry but thank you for the five stars anyway

yes thank you um in addition to apple reviews of newcomers we're also going to read uh reviews from letterboxd and we're going to give each film a one sentence review ourselves and a star rating and if you don't know it's a social platform you should know you're pretty deep in this podcast if you don't know then you're not listening so this is a letterboxd review this was more of a civil war than civil war yikes yeah i guess it's like yeah they gave it three stars well this person i don't like them this person said four stars ryan coogler really must have told the film composer, make every theme so rhythmically intense that no white people can clap. That's really fucking funny. That's really funny.

Okay. So what is Sean? What's your one sentence review for the film and star rating? Wakanda forever. Five stars. That's all you gotta say you know it's uh the legacy of this movie i think will continue to have ripples in the like superhero space for a really long time and i'm just so glad that all these incredible actors

get to go off you know and and have some fun. I also give it five stars. This is the most self-contained Marvel movie that we've watched. And I had seen it before and it was great without knowing anything. And now re-watching it with the context of Marvel, I like it even more. And it's great. I agree. I think it even more. And it's great. I agree. I think it's really wonderful. My one sentence review is, all those

beautiful black people in a beautiful African place with names I can't say. Five stars. I'm so glad you guys liked this movie. We loved it. So please, if you're listening, go write a five star review on Apple Podcasts. We'll pick one to read on the next episode and please rate us on Spotify because it just

helps us get listened to by other people. Can I also just say it's really interesting. I don't have any criticisms of the movie. I don't either. I've seen it now three times. I mean, this is the first time I've watched it from start to finish. But no notes. I think especially because

you watch a bunch of other superhero movies that maybe hit a lot of the same beats but like this is surrounded by so much interesting shit that like you can forgive it like well the cgi uncanny valley is kind of a thing that i've noticed this time watching it but like honestly i don't care because then you get lines like the fucking throw me from the ships like it just keeps me so engaged the music is really yeah it's really not it doesn't have lulls no you had in many of these where we're like oh this fight scene i don't care it's like every fight scene has really high stakes totally and so that keeps you interested and and it looks great like the design is so fun it's visually appealing i have a question for leah a good job

what's up hannah she did a great job leah so i know your next movie you guys are watching is avengers infinity war correct yes how are you preparing nicole and lauren for this movie are you talking any at all about the movies that you guys skipped is there any prep you guys are doing so i'm i'm watching the ones that we skipped okay great um the summary is gonna take like it's gonna take a long time oh boy like i wonder i i just wonder what you guys think because you're about to go into another big like big team-up movie right and like you've seen all these different stories and these different threads and these different threads and i wonder like do you remember where you left the guardians of the galaxy do you

remember where spider-man was well i do i do put that's a good question too because like with this one great um i like remember the last time we saw this guy or he's been he's coming back from civil war and last time we saw this guy was age of old I do a little bit of that. I can't wait. Yeah, I did. I can't wait to listen to you guys watching these movies because now you're about to like, we,

we did improv together back in the day. And like, now you're really getting into the third beats of this whole franchise. Is it connection Island? Things start to connect, but like in the way that like bad third beats can be like oh they're just connecting everything for no reason yeah the miracle of these movies is they make it incredibly compelling i think and things that you didn't understand why they made stupid

decisions here or there they start to like come into light and it i don't know it feels like a miracle to me these are the movies that made me cry in theaters and wow i'm just excited for you guys to like watch these movies but you cried during infinity war i cried during infinity war for weird reasons i also cried during end game for weird reasons and i won't get into any of them because they're all spoilers but a lot of the crying i did was just like i can't believe the miracle like you know working in in the industry like as a writer i can't believe they pulled off the thing that we all thought they were trying to do so do you feel like and maybe this will make more sense when i see stuff but like do you feel like the people who wrote the later ones are trying to

as you would in the improv show where you kind of weave mistakes and make it make sense by the end. And then it's better. They were like, Oh, people didn't really get this or didn't really like this. So I take this and make it something. Absolutely.

That's why I'm like, I know you shouldn't have watched Thor the dark world, but there's stuff from that that comes back. And I made a list. Okay. I can't wait. I know Leah is on that shit. I re I rewatched Thor the dark world before we did Ragnarok just in case.

And you don't have any questions but I have my list ready. We just liked it. It was just fun and silly. I'm going to rewatch Guardians 2. I'm going to rewatch Do I need to do Ant-Man and the Wasp? No, because it's after Infinity War. It's after Infinity War.

It sort of takes place at the same time. Guys, I'm so excited for you to watch these movies. Aw, thanks. They might not be your favorite because I know you didn't like the Avengers team-up movies, but these are the movies that get people screaming in the theaters that, I don't know, they've like tears in my eyes

when things happen in these movies that I'm embarrassed to tell you what parts they're at. It's really fun. I can't wait to try to figure out why you were crying. Yeah. Yeah, we'll figure it out. I'll be like, Sean cried here. Sean, do you think you want to plug?

Other than the parts that you cried at Infinity War? You can watch Woke on Hulu with the aforementioned Sashir Zameda. And I think the second season is fantastic. We do.

I think Anthony King and company did a great job with it. Also, I worked on a show called Fairfax. Season two is coming out

June 10th. So check that out on Amazon. Amazing. Yeah. Bunch of other stuff coming, but don't know when it is. You're always doing a lot. Yeah.

And we're very excited for you. I love it. Well, we'll be back next week with Avengers Infinity War. And we'll be talking about why Sean cried. Yeah. And I'll see you then. Goodbye. Bye-bye. Thank you. That was a Hidgum Original.