Newcomers: Scorsese, with Nicole Byer and Lauren Lapkus - Captain America: Civil War (w/ Jason Mantzoukas)

Episode Date: May 10, 2022

A house divided. We finally get actor/writer/comedian/owner-of-a-custom-built-shelf-for-storing-his-comic-book-collection Jason Mantzoukas (The League, Parks & Rec, How Did This Get Made?) to be our patient tour guide through the MCU as Lauren and Nicole choose sides in the Avengers' family feud. Next week's movie: Doctor Strange (2016) Like the show? Rate Newcomers 5 stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Nicole and Lauren to read on the pod! Follow the podcast on Letterboxd. Advertise on Newcomers via Gumball.fmSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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You just started a war! Stay down. Final warning. I could do this all day. All right. I've run out of patience. On to Ruth! Hey, everyone. I'm going to go. It's another episode of Newcomers. I'm Nicole Byer.

I'm Lauren Lapkus. And we're watching Marvel movies. Wow. And it's going great. Seamless. Seamless. Yeah, yeah. We've only done this five billion times.

We're doing great times we're doing great we're doing great this is the tenth episode of our fifth season and boy oh boy did we fucking have to watch a movie we really did

two two and a half hours two hours thirty seven minutes it was so freaking long well like let me just say if you want to

okay we watched we watched Captain America Civil War came out in 2016 if you want to watch, okay, we watched Captain America Civil War. It came out in 2016. If you want to watch it on Disney Plus or Amazon, Apple TV, Google Play, Vudu, obviously we're going to spoil the movie. And just, I think before we bring our guests, we need to just say, did you like the movie? I did not understand the movie until the last 20 minutes. Same, same.

That's where it all came together for me. That was a key part of the film. It's an infighting war, much like our Civil War. Yeah, exactly. Where there was infighting amongst the states here, all 50 of them.

They said, we don't agree. So they fought. Yeah. I went into it knowing that's what the word Civil War meant. However, nothing really clicked for me until then. So that was really crazy. And yeah, it was rough. I found it to be a hard watch. And I think people have been kind of like, I've seen some tweets and people are glad that we've liked some of the films. I am too. And I thought we were kind of on uphill you know I thought we were going in a good I thought we were blasting off to space me too and this was a slippery slope down to I didn't like I also I don't know if they realized

they did this but it's like Captain America Civil War the Civil War was about like you know slaves and stuff and then at one point Iron Man's like you don't deserve this shield my My dad made it. And I'm like, yeah, but your dad stole it from Wakanda. So technically, it's not your shield either.

And I was like, what is that about? There was a lot of questionable shit. Yes. Hold on. We'll work through it. We'll get to everything. Let's bring out our guest. We're so excited for our guest today.

Jason Mantzoukas, who is, don't talk yet, an actor, comedian, writer, and podcast host. You've seen him on Parks and Rec, Jason Mantzoukas, who is, don't talk yet, an actor, comedian, writer, and podcast host. You've seen him on Parks and Rec, Brooklyn Nine-Nine, The League, a million shows, and you've heard his voice on Big Mouth and on the podcast, How Did This Get Made? Welcome, Jason. Welcome, Jason. I am thrilled to be here.

Thank you so much for having me. We're so happy you're here. For Captain America Civil War. Oh my God. Did you like it? One of my favorite Marvel movies. No, it's not. Wait, really? In fact, it is. No. Whoa, Jason, I'm flabbergasted, bewildered,

befuddled, shook, confused, rattled. I'm completely thrown. I mean, there are very specific reasons why I like this movie that I'm sure we'll get into as we go along. And I don't want to hear him right now. I want to hear him right now. You know, for me, this movie ostensibly this movie, yes, is a Captain America movie, but it functions as an Avengers movie.

Right. Yeah. And it is based on an Avengers comic book run called Civil War, where the Avengers fight each other. book run called Civil War, where the Avengers fight each other. And I like this story of this team that they've spent all this time building, fracturing and turning on itself because of hubris and ego and because of all of these kind of beliefs that they are. They're operating outside the law. They're operating based on whatever they think is right or wrong and people want to get them under control but what i really like is that they start to bring in they you introduce black panther inside of this movie you introduce the mcu spider-man inside of this movie i like that all of those introductions i loved i loved them loved them because they're characters that I loved. And when I was in this movie theater, and Tony Stark goes, I might know a guy, and they

hard cut to the skyline and it just says Queens, I burst into tears. Really? That's amazing. Because I knew that was Spider-Man's introduction. Oh my God. And Spider-Man, for me as a kid, because he's a kid, was the character that I most identified with.

And so the idea that we were going to get Spider-Man inside of this story blew my mind. And I loved it. Let me tell you, I did not know Spider-Man was a kid. And when we saw this kid, I was like, why-Man was a kid. And when we saw this kid, I was like,

why is he such a kid? And what's happening? But that was pretty cute. That was my favorite part. His whole thing was my favorite. I liked it too, but I didn't know Spider-Man was coming because they were like on a world tour.

They were like Budapest, Romania, fucking this place, that place, this place, Queens. And I was like, all right, what's going on in Queens? And then I was like, what? But then where was Uncle Ben? Doesn't he have an Uncle Ben? Okay, so if I was like, alright, what's going on in Queens? And then I was like, what? But then where was Uncle Ben? Doesn't he have an Uncle Ben? Okay, so if you'd like, I can explain

this. Yes, it's Uncle Ben from The Rice. That was canonical to Spider-Man's story is that his uncle is his aunt is Marissa Tomei and his uncle is Uncle Ben from the rice.

I love it. In the MCU version of Spider-Man, there is no Uncle Ben. So just like in real life, they got rid of Uncle Ben. The other Spider-Man stories, the Andrew Garfield story, the Tobey Maguire story, and the comic book story,

the inciting incident for Spider-Man to become a hero is the death of his Uncle Ben. A death that Peter Parker could have prevented and didn't. Why? Because he did, basically what it was was he didn't stop like a guy who's's like a bad guy who's robbing some people, pushes by Spider-Man and somebody's like, stop him.

He stole. And Spider-Man's like, whatever. I got to go get my thing. Spider-Man just kind of like blows it off. That guy then goes on to kill Uncle Ben. And is that why? He doesn't know that, obviously. It's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, is that why when Spider-Man said, if you don't stop the crime, you're helping it happen? Basically, he said it. Essentially, yeah. Yeah. That's a sentiment that is very Spider-Man. That is, if you don't do something, it's on you. You know? Okay.

Uh-huh. So Spider-Man's like noble. His whole thing is with great power comes great responsibility. I went to school with a kid who said it to me all the time. That is a quote from Uncle Ben. Wait, that's a quote from Marvel? See, I knew it was Spider-Man.

I thought it was like in the Bible or something. That Moses was like, oh boy, with great power comes great responsibility. And Jesus was like, oh boy, with great power comes great responsibility. And Jesus was like, ding, ding. Like it's such a, it's such a quote

that I've heard my whole life that it's basically like, it's just a quote that is, like it's not, you know what I mean? Oh God, Lauren, that's so funny. I wish that was like

Philippians 3.23. With great power comes great responsibility. I would love it if people were holding up signs that said like Genesis 2.32 with great power comes great responsibility. By the way, I wish that more of our lives were based on comic books than the Bible. I think people would be better off if they based their lives on the stories inside of these worlds than the stories inside of the Bible. I agree. I agree.

Well, okay. Let's jump back to, I want to hear about your first experience with Marvel in general. Well, I mean, my first experience with Marvel in general is comic books because I was and remain a comic book reader. You know, I um very committed to who introduced you to it uh I don't know that I don't know that anybody introduced I don't have like an origin story like someone gave it to me and it was like oh my god and like somebody turned me on to these characters or whatever it really really was just that. It's a very classic comics kid story of like when I when I would go to the grocery store or the pharmacy with my mom, I was allowed to go where the magazines and comic books were while she shopped.

And I could then buy a comic book type of fun. And so for me, that's how I got into. And then I became like obsessed with comic books and then was, you know, and then actively sought it out, you know, from a local comic book store. Comic books, you know, come out every Wednesday. New comics come out. And so that became like a that becomes like a real ritual and a habit. Every Wednesday? Yes.

I know this from Scott Aukerman, who goes, he has, he gets the new issues every week. Yes. So do I. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Great, so do I. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Great. So do you own a ton of comic books?

Or do you like, what do you do with them? I own a ton of comic books. When I, when I, yeah, I own a ton of comic books. I have, I had shelves put into a closet in my house that specifically fit comic book boxes. Wow. Just so that I would be able to like store comic books. Yeah. Do you go back and reread? You're like, ah, I remember. I do reread some things that are, um, that are like, let's say

a movie like, okay. So Marvel has recently had the Moon Knight series come out right on Disney plus it's a TV series, Oscar Isaac's five episodes six episodes rather um so I went back and read old issues of Moon Knight the last kind of runs of Moon Knight to remind myself of his stories you know like because it's not a character I'm super well versed on but I was like oh I'll read those chunks because I I'd read somewhere that probably a lot of the show is going to be based on those those comics work like specific writer and artists come in. They tell a story for a while and then they end their story and the story continues with other people, with other writers and artists. And they tell a different story. You know, they do. They take the character in a different direction or this or that or whatever. they tell a different story.

You know, they take the character in a different direction or this or that or whatever. So that's the thing is like comics are always like taking it back to zero and rebuilding a new story. Yeah. And the thing that's happening in the MCU that you guys are kind of mainlining, like the entirety of 22 movies. You're not doing the TV shows. No, we're doing 20. We're doing 20 episodes, but we're doing one TV show at WandaVision.

We're going to look at that. Oh, OK, cool. Yeah, it's great. They're creating they're taking certain pieces and certain stories and they are creating their own now canon for what is what is the MCU. Most of it is based on comics storylines or pulling like the Winter Soldier is a character that really comes into play in Ed Brubaker's run of Captain America. He really introduces this version of the Winter Soldier and they then tell this story

inside of these last couple of movies. But when they like reboot and like a story ends, do new stories negate what has happened prior? Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't sometimes they just kind of like ignore it you know but if it is like a massive thing like years ago they introduced that batman has a son right uh and it's i didn't know that i didn't know that either storyline yeah it's Yeah, it's really cool. It's in the comics. Not in. It's never been in any of the movies or anything.

Like, does he have him when he's a baby? No, he come. The boy comes to him as like a young teenager. Oh, shit. But he's been raised by assassins. He's been raised by his mother, who is the head of, like, an assassin league. So is he bad? And then Batman's like, oh, yeah, fix it.

So he has a very casual disregard for life. Uh-huh. Okay. But he wants to be Batman's son, and he becomes a Robin for Batman. And it's a great story. That's so cute. It's really cool. And does he call him Robin?

Or he's just like a Robin? He is a Robin, but I don't think they ever call him Robin? Or he's just like a Robin? He is a Robin, but I don't think they ever call him Robin. Although the book is called Batman and Robin. But I don't think he calls him Robin. And then does he wear that Robin outfit? He wears an outfit and it has the Robin colors, but it is not what you're thinking of as the Robin outfit. colors, but it is not what you're thinking of as the Robin outfit. But then later what happens is once that writer moved off of Batman and stopped writing that story, other people didn't know what to do with this son.

And so then it becomes a problem. It can become a problem for future writers because they're like, now I'm saddled with this kid who's like, you know, a murderer. Lauren, is that how you feel? No, I feel great. Can't we retcon this? Can I retcon this where this kid isn't here for a while? Man, Lucas, I don't know if you know I had a baby because you're not on social media.

I do know. Congratulations. I didn't know if it was being talked about, so I was being quiet. No, no, totally. I just didn't know if you knew being talked about, so I was being quiet. No, no, totally. I just didn't know if you knew that. Yes, I did. But anyways. Anyway, so that's a kind of example of how things change and are different in comics.

But in the MCU, they're very consistent. They've decided these are the versions of the characters we're going to use, and this is how we're going to use them. Okay. That's interesting. Yeah. So you mentioned Batman. So you're a dc person too are you do you just love comics in general i love comics in general i'm a marvel i was a marvel kid okay my i was spider-man and x-men because the x-men were teenagers i and so spider-man so i

read books that were about young people for the most part dc I don't really fuck with except for Batman. Okay. I don't, I'm not interested in Superman. I'm not interested in Green Lantern. You know, I don't watch any of the DC shows, but Batman, I just always loved. Good, great character. Well, okay.

And usually you can read Batman without having to know a lot about the other characters. I always liked Batman. That was like the one comic book thing that I feel like I saw a lot of growing up that I liked. I feel like I liked the style of a lot of those movies. But I haven't seen the new one and it feels very intense and long. Okay, I'll tell you this. It was three hours and it could have been

20 minutes more. I had a nice time. More? I loved it. Could have been longer. It could have been 20 minutes long. He wanted to, Matt 20 minutes long he wanted to Matt Reeves said he wanted to put out a cut and they would

never let him but he thinks the best cut of the movie is a little over four hours I'm here for it I loved it

Nicole are you serious? Lauren there was parts that were so funny that nobody else in the theater thought were funny he's like wearing

this little onesie he looks like a flying squirrel and I loved it and then at one point he gets a clue and he's like you are l and that made me laugh so hard there was so many parts that made me just cackle okay i'm curious and he was so okay he gets into cat woman's house and he's like you got a lot of cats and that made me laugh who's cat woman cat woman is um zoe kravitz oh and she oh

my god she walks like a cat at one point where like her hips are pushed forward and i was like they should have reshot that and said walk like a human because it was so wild i was teehee maybe i like the movie for the wrong reasons but i had a great time no that's still good there's no wrong way to enjoy it if you can enjoy a movie that long for whatever reasons, I say enjoy it. And then she kept calling him Vengeance and that made me laugh and nobody else was laughing in the theater with me. She was like,

come on, Vengeance. That's his nickname? At one point he's like, I'm Vengeance. And also the way he speaks is incredible. I don't know about any of this. It sounds so insane. Oh my god. I saw some know about any of this. It sounds so insane. Oh, my God. I saw some images on Twitter of him smiling in the costume. Because, like, I guess he never smiles in the movie or something.

But, like, he's just standing there like. It would be amazing if Batman smiled like a ton. Just, like, just the cowl coming down to, like, here. And him just being like. Yeah. So weird. He him just be like. Yeah. So weird. He's just so happy. He's doing great.

All right. Well, it's time for our Daily Bugle segment. Do you want to do a trumpet sound, Nicole? This is our news segment. And we're giving a recap of what's been going on lately in the MCU. Disney Plus released a new poster for the upcoming series Miss Marvel and it looks really cute. We saw the trailer for this and we loved it.

We got chills multiple times. I think I'm going to watch it. I'm into it. I think I would watch this too. It's a great character. Great character. An incredible character. It's a great, if you are interested,

should you find yourself interested, it is a fairly recent character so you can read the comics there's not like a million comics you could you could actually read these stories and be like and and then feel i would i would maybe recommend it going into the series yeah okay because it's a super cool character and it's great all right, I'm interested. I'm also intrigued and maybe I would like a comic because I do like pictures. I like graphic novels and I feel like this

is basically the same thing, right? Very similar, especially if you get a collection of comics, you know you are reading like 12 issues in a book, so it feels like you're reading a book. Oh, yeah. Cool. I love this. I'm having so much fun well here's another piece of uh the daily bugle in an interview with marvel.com

oscar isaacs sorry i don't know if there's supposed to be a bugle for everyone. There should be. There should be, and we liked it. So Oscar Isaac's younger brother, Michael Benjamin Hernandez, talked about his experience as his brother's double on Moon Knight. That is interesting to me. He revealed that in order to double for Mark Spector, he had to wear a prosthetic of his brother's nose and started calling himself Mork Sphincter? That's funny.

That's pretty funny. That is funny. Michael Benjamin Hernandez, he's got a good sense of humor. And that actually makes sense because and I'm, you know, are either of you guys watching that show? No. No, but I'm intrigued. We liked the

trailer. Yeah. Yeah, the trailer's great and it's really interesting and it's about a character who has what used to be called multiple personality disorder and is now called DID, I think. And so he's frequently having to talk to himself. He's having conversations with himself. And so I hadn't heard that. That's really interesting. It actually makes sense because as I was watching it, I was like, he is so comfortable and good at, I was imagining, acting to nobody. But to find out that it's his brother, I was like, oh, that's why this reads well. That's so interesting, actually.

Like, how often does that happen? Like, is his brother an actor or he just looks like him? No, Oscar just requested him. I love that. How cool. He's really smart. Wouldn't you have so much fun? Oh, my God, I love it. No, Oscar just requested him. I love that. How cool. He's really smart. Wouldn't you have so much fun? Oh, my God, I love it. Yeah, that is fun.

He said in the interview that he contributed some jokes to some alts. Wow. Funny. Well, he came up with Morgue Sphincter, so I think he's got a future in jokes. He's pretty funny. You got to pitch those alts. He's killing it, yeah. Ooh, he's adorable.

Oh, wait, I want to see. Oh, boy. His name is Michael Benjamin Hernandez. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, I like him. He's playing. What a little cutie. They're a little bro team.

This is cute. I like what I'm seeing. I like them together. If I was their mother, I'd be proud. I found his YouTube the other day when I was researching this, and he reviews action figures. So he is a big one of us. Oh, my God.

I love this for him. Wait, this is fantastic. That must be very exciting for him then to be a part of that. All right. Well, here's the third one. Can I get a trumpet, please? Whoa. Freestyle. That person needs to practice more okay a new guardians of the galaxy ride will debut in epcot at the end of may

the ride is called cosmic rewind and will be the first other world showcase pavilion in epcot's history but none of those sentences what i know i didn't follow any of that. Well, Epcot is, you know, Epcot is all places on Earth. Oh, I had no idea. Oh, so the first other world is this. Yes, this is, yes, exactly. Oh. Interesting.

You know, Epcot Center is where it's like, oh, you go here to South America, or you go, you know, it's supposed to give you the world, access to the world, you know? Yeah. I feel like they're playing fast and loose if they just make a Guardians area.

They're like, ah, fuck it. Yeah, why not space? How about space? I haven't been there since I was a little kid, though. Me either. Space, yeah. I flew out there once and it was crazy. Went to the moon for the summer.

I think it's funny that it's like, go to Florida, but you could also go to South America. You can see the world from Florida. It really is. Go to Florida to see the world. That's how I've always thought about it. And if you survive,

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who wrote all the Captain America movies and several other MCU films. So you know that I got money! It was directed by Anthony Russo and Joe Russo. And they also did the Winter Soldier and two Avengers movies that we have not yet watched. Wait, you haven't watched?

Oh, yes, because they're coming up. We watched Ultron, which was a dirty mess. And we watched another filth riddled one. I don't know that one's name, though. Avengers Endgame? No, that's at the end. What's the one that we watched? Simply the Avengers.

Oh, Avengers. Oh, just regular Avengers. Filthy, filthy, filthy. Hated it. I don't like when they all get silly together. No, me either. Oh, man. You don't like when they get get silly together. No, me either. Oh, man. You don't like when they get goofy?

Yeah. Not together. I like when they're individually goofing around, but when they all start coming together, I feel like, okay, guys. It's kind of a lot. Yeah, so this came out in 2016. Let's just jump into our plot and talk through this film

and all of our thoughts as we were watching it. Okay, so in 1991, Hydra Operatives traveled to their Siberian facility and revived the Winter Assault. I love that you're just going to read the plot summary of the movie. You don't understand. Sometimes this is how we understand the movie. This is how we understand it.

This is a crucial piece. A, if you're watching and you, or if you're listening to this and you've watched the movie and didn't get it, or if you don't want to watch it, but you want to understand the whole plot. Of course. OK, here we go. This is crucial because there is so much that I did not follow. There is a tremendous amount.

Well, that's what I was just going to say is this. This movie has a tremendous amount happening in it because it is cumulatively a lot of what the what's been building up has been happening and explained. But then also the introduction of all of these new characters, these new places, all this new stuff. So this movie is, you're not wrong, dense. It is. And even when they're not dense, we want to know every single thing that happened. We are confused. And I'm here to help.

I can tell you almost everything. This movie felt like a group game where people were remembering like a herald from like the other day where it was like, oh, remember this person?

I was like, no, I don't remember that person. I know they were throwing people in there that I was just like, you're really expecting a lot from me right now. But, okay.

And also, Leah edited out 30% of the summary just to try to keep it even more simple. That means that there will be 30% we don't understand still. It's semi-original writing. Okay, good.

Good for you. Okay. In 1991, Hydra operatives traveled to their Siberian facility and revived the Winter Soldier, a.k.a. Bucky Barnes, from a cryogenic state. After using a set of trigger words, Karpov, played by Gene Farber, uses or orders the brainwashed Winter Soldier to intercept an automobile and execute its occupants. Okay. I couldn't believe that this poem made this man a killer.

It was like nine. Ten. Coal mines. Cans. Rabinowitz. And I was like, what is happening? I know. And I was also kind of pissed to see Bucky Barnes again

Yeah I'm over Bucky Are we done yet? I like him from Cam and Tommy I like the actor I like him too but I was like Bucky again? Hydra again? Here's what I'm gonna say I thought Bucky's gotta die in this film

Yes I absolutely love you both. Nobody is ever going to die. No one's ever going to die? Once people show up, they're there forever. So that's,

you know, it's like the Fast and Furious movies, you know, which you, I believe also done. I wasn't part of that season, but I will listen. So it's like that,

although Giselle does die and we do think that Han's dead, but he is in fact, spoiler alert, justice for Han, not dead. Is that the one where he came out of that truck? Or no? Because wasn't there one that I watched where a truck exploded and a guy walked out and he was like, eh? And he was a killer.

That's every one of them. Maybe. You just described three scenes in every movie. I watched like the eighth one. But it's like, the Marvel movies are cumulatively accumulating people. And they're like, so the Winter Soldier,

you're not, there's a TV show that came out six months ago called Falcon and the Winter Soldier. That's just about those two dudes. Wait, but they're not even friends. That's the whole point. Wait, what? Cause he literally goes,

I hate you. They basically greenlit a TV show based on that scene. I did think that was funny. Oh, in the back of that little Volkswagen beetle when he's like, and he's like, can you put your seat up? And he's like,

no. And then he scoots over. And I was like, the best part about that shot was they had to camera move. They had to move everything for that. And it probably took like an hour or so. Oh, so much longer. So much longer.

Or the part where they got caught in the spider webs and then they were laying on that roof. And he's like, I hate you. Yeah. I was like, improv? Do I smell improv? So in the present day, Steve Rogers, Natasha Romanoff. I honestly could not believe that we had to have more Scarlett Johansson. I have to agree with you.

In another wild wig. And I was like, what is happening? Did she sign a contract where she was like, I will not look good. Because the wigs don't do any favors. She doesn't look good. And I'm like, she's one of the prettiest people. I don't understand. It makes no sense. She doesn't look good. And I'm like, she's one of the prettiest people. I don't understand. It makes no sense.

I don't disagree. I think they do her dirty because they're trying, especially earlier. Here, she's starting to look more normal. And eventually you'll see they get her to an even more normal place. But the problem is they really do her dirty in the early movies because they're trying to make her look like Natasha Romanoff from the comic books. Oh. Who has long red hair and like that is her signature look. Oh.

The black bodysuit and the long red hair. And she's Russian. And so they've been trying to, they tried to make that happen in the early movies. She even does like an accent. I wonder if you guys. Right, we did one. Oh yeah, she did do an accent. Because you guys are watching them so close together.

I wonder if you're picking up on stuff like this. Oh yeah. She's trying to do it. Same with Elizabeth Olsen. Elizabeth Olsen in this movie dropped her accent. And I said, what? How do you do that scene to scene? And by the way, it does not come back.

It does not come back. I love it though. i actually like that i respect that about the franchise that they're willing to let the actor just do their best and then though that wasn't really quite it so why don't you just talk like yourself yeah and then that'll be easier but we're not gonna care where you see it happen it's the spice scene where the red man yeah she's like she's like is that pepper cash and you're like oh right you used to talk like that all the time and now you're only talking about it with this dish i was like this is so wild to me um anywho sam wilson wanda maximoff that's her name learned that brock rumlow these names frank grillo reprising his role from The Winter Soldier plans to steal a... Wait, is that the man who was like, my family?

Is that Brock? No, that's the guy in the black body armor who steals the biological weapon at the beginning of the movie. Oh, and his face is like bubble gum? His face is... That's the guy that... Yes, they dropped a... He attacked Captain America in the last Captain America movie. Oh, in the elevator. america movie oh and a building

fell on him yes okay uh he has a character called crossbones oh crossbones that's funny i see him on our little page here okay that's helpful well crossbones plans to steal a biological chemical weapon from the institute for institute for infectious disease in in Nigeria. Also, at one point, Natasha fucking Scarlett Johansson said to two black people, sorry about what happened in Nigeria. And that was so funny to me. And I don't know why. Anyway, they corner Rumlow. It distracts Cap.

Cap. Oh, my God. Cap, I tell him that his Bucky remembered him. Wanda tries to contain the explosion, but oh, boy, she murders a bunch of people and destroys a nearby building. Yeah. What initially looks like a flashback.

Now, this was a crazy scene. Oh, boy. I hate this. This was so bizarre. Okay. So the last time a young Tony Stark saw his parents, Howard, John Slattery, and Maria Hope Davis, is revealed to be holographic illusion technology called

BARF, I didn't catch that, by narrowly augmented retroframing that Tony is demonstrating at MIT. In the hallway after announcing a student grant program, he's confronted by Miriam Sharp, Alfre Woodard, whose son was killed in Sokovia during the events of Avengers Age of Ultron.

Which was so wild. She slammed a picture on him in a way that they were like, you're not doing it right. Because she kept having to move the picture up. And I think after a couple takes, they were like, Alfred, you're great. We got to wrap you. It was very funny to me.

It's so interesting because she pushes the picture against his chest so we can see it on camera. But he can't see this. He can't see the picture. Why would you put it outward? You would show him this is the face of the boy that died. But instead, she's doing it in a way that's good for camera. I thought the fucking flashback of Tony Stark when he's 20-year-old Robert Downey Jr.

It was so bizarre. It was almost good. The de-aging? Yeah. It was so bizarre It was almost good The de-aging? Yeah That's the technology that they have now used As you go forward you'll see it a couple more times I was thinking There's so much footage of him The actor from the past

That we actually have a really good idea of what he looked like You know what I mean? In that way No They said we're going to make him look weird of what he looked like, you know what I mean? Like in that way where I thought that made it. They said, we're going to make him look weird and soft. He had like eyebrows

that were like done or something. Like, I don't know if that's a youth thing or something, but that, he was just very, it was very odd

and it kind of threw me for a loop. And then when they zoom out and I guess he's introducing barf, which did he ever call it that? He did. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

He was like, I hope with a better name for this. Okay. I as a joke i think i think he's trying to be tony stark jokester he's funny he's funny so i have a question what happened what happened to pepper pots because he was going to introduce her but then he was like no never mind did she just not sign on to do uh other movies outside Iron Man? No, she will, she does recur, I mean, spoilers. She does come back. In this storyline, she's mad at him and they have split. Oh. I liked that way

of telling that story a little bit. Like, he has what do you call it? A teleprompter that's telling him what to say and then it says, now introducing Pepper Potts and he just ignores that. I thought that was an interesting way to tell that little bit, that something's that. I thought that was an interesting way to tell that little bit that something's wrong. I thought she was dead.

And then he and Captain America talk about it later. Oh, they do? In like a conference room. Yeah, and he's like, we broke up and he's like, do you have a baby or something? He's like, no.

I don't know. There was something weird about that that happened in that conversation. Yeah, he's basically saying, he's not saying that we broke up. He's saying something's going on and first Captain America's like, oh, wait, are you pregnant? Are you having a baby? And he's basically saying, you know, he's not saying that we broke up. He's saying something's going on. And first Captain America's like, oh, wait, are you pregnant?

Are you having a baby? And he's like, no, we're on a break or whatever. We were on a break. He's like, you know, I think we broke up, whatever he says. And so it's like, oh, downturn music, sad. Yeah. And we'll get there. I have thoughts about that whole dynamic i feel like at this rate this

podcast is going to be like three and a half don't worry we start zipping along we start zooming we zip zap zap our way through okay so one month later tony and the secretary of state thaddeus ross william hurt reprising his role from the incredible hulk that we did not see visit the avengers compound ross explains that due to the events of the Avengers Winter Soldier, Age of Ultron, and the recent disaster in Nigeria, the United Nations has decided that the Avengers should not be allowed to operate privately. Stark and Ross want each member of the Avengers to sign the Sokovia Accords, which has been approved by 117 countries and will establish an international panel to control the Avengers movements

as well as monitor the police and the rapidly growing number of enhanced individuals. There's so much that was happening here that I was not, I didn't catch that at all. And I did not follow, I just didn't follow the plot of this film until the end. It was tough, yeah. No, and I think that's,

I mean, I don't I'm that's not surprising. You know, they're they're referencing constantly. I mean, obviously, you have watched these movies now for the podcast, but they are constantly referencing this movie. Like I said, is and apologies. I hope I'm not like trying mansplaining this. We literally know we don't we don't understand it. It's just explaining and you happen to be a man. Yeah. The, this idea of these accords and signing these accords,

blah, blah, blah, is basically the culmination of all the previous movies events. Oh, right. They're saying, you know,

and they show footage of Avengers one and Avengers age of Ultron. They're showing footage of the war in New York, the Chitauri attacking New York and the Hulk smashing buildings. And they're showing footage of Sokovia being destroyed. And they're saying, you were you did all this. People are dying because of you and you don't answer to anyone. And so we want to make it now so that you answer to us, the UN. We want we want oversight over the Avengers.

The Avengers shouldn't exist as free to do whatever they want to do. Go and invade a Soviet. Why are you in Nigeria? Nobody asked you to be there. Nobody told you to be there. Just because you think you're heroes, essentially, just because you think you're heroes doesn't mean you can go and do stuff that causes civilian deaths, essentially. Yeah. So we want to restrict you and we want you to sign this accord so that it says you work

for us now. So we get to, it's basically militarizing them and saying, we'll send you on missions. You don't send yourselves on missions. Does that make sense? If that had been clearer, I would have liked it a lot more. Because actually that's a really interesting plot. Yes. And so the civil war at the center of it is that Tony Stark,

having just talked to Alfre Woodard and had that experience of knowing and putting a face to the deaths in Sokovia. And then also, sorry, what happens in Nigeria, Tony believes we should sign. Iron Man said we should sign these accords. It's the right thing to do. And then Captain America's like, no. Captain America's like, no, we shouldn't answer to anyone. We should, we don't, what if, he says, what if they want to send us on something we disagree with?

Or what if we want to help somebody who something we disagree with or what if we want to help somebody who they tell us we can't now this is somebody who literally was in the army saying correct yes it's like yeah yeah um that's what happens and that's kind of the central rift that is then exploited uh by baron zemo uh okay and the it. Okay, I'm catching on a lot more now. I appreciate that a lot. Yes, thank you. Now, the Avengers are divided, as you said. So Tony supports the Accords,

feels guilty about creating Ultron. However, Steve worries about the Avengers, that the Avengers may be compromised. And, okay, Secretary Ross states that refusing to sign the Accords will be seen as an act of resignation. Meanwhile, retired Karpov is ambushed by Helmut Zero, Zemo, not Zero, Daniel Bruhl,

who asks about the Winter Soldier's 1991 mission. Karpov refuses and Zemo kills him. When there's a fight, I don't care. Yeah, I mean, this is very confusing for me. And then I don't know why he kept asking about the 1991 mission. And I was like, why does this matter? Yeah, I can clear that up. I feel like this is going to be the model of this episode.

I can clarify when necessary. Yeah, that's so great. The mission that Daniel Bruhl, baron zemo is asking about wait who yeah go ahead daniel brule is the actor he's the actor who's like my family was lost yes he's he's listening to the voicemail from his wife over and over and over and over he's um he interviewed he activates the winter soldier he finds the red book he's a kind of nerd looking man yeah he's the nerd looking man yes also the Red Book. He's a kind of nerd looking man. He's the nerd looking man.

Yes. Also, the Red Book reminds me of Hamilton. Just like that star. And I was just like, there should be like a Hydra guy at the top of it. I would love it if he opened it and it was just the playbill for Hamilton. And it was like,

tonight the understudy will be doing Aaron Burr. In this movie, the understudy is covering for the Winter Soldier. And we only learn from them opening that and they zoom in on it. We're like, oh, okay. So Baron Zemo is like a classic captain america comic book villain like one of his great kind of adversaries and so this character is being kind of put into this world now and he wants to activate the winter soldier um to do his bidding basically because he wants to get revenge on the Avengers and the Empire of the West

as a result of what happened in Sokovia, which killed his whole family, right? And he gets the book so he can say the words, so he can activate the Winter Soldier, because what he wants from the Winter soldier is the information that the winter soldier was responsible for

killing tony stark's parents oh okay and that but see we don't know that killing happened until the end right we saw it in the very first we know they die but we don't know that he's the person until the end we don't know that he was the assassin and what the mission report reveals and what the VHS then that he shows Tony and Steve and Bucky

he shows a videotape which is the video footage of the killing the killing was just on the side of the road. And I was like, who videoed this? And then he shoots it. And I was like, technically, this shouldn't exist. It makes no sense.

I agree completely. Yeah, that makes no fucking sense. Yeah, he shoots it. So it's like, well, he just shot it. And also shoot it first. We also shouldn't have multiple angles. Right. None of it makes sense.

They didn't need coverage for an assassination. But I will say that part pissed me off. I was really upset when we got to that part. And then the fact that, I mean, I feel like we're going off script here in a positive way. This is actually really well explained. But the part where we find out that Bucky killed the parents, killed Sony Stark's parents. It's so brutal. And then Captain America's like, hee hee.

And then he's like, did you know? And he's like, no. But did you? And he's like, yes. And then they have a fight. And I was like, why are you trying to kill him? Yes. Literally Captain America's trying to kill Iron Man.

He puts his shield through his heart. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was insane. And I was like sliced into the fucking Iron Man's one like little orb, which he should have backups up because he has more. He really should have a backup board. I literally was watching that.

I was like, I carry a charger for my phone and you don't have a fucking another heart circle. Like, what is your deal? Like, this is crazy can I interject something yes we didn't watch Iron Man 3 and in Iron Man 3 he gets surgery so he no longer needs the heart thing to live

so Steve's just disabling his armor he's not trying to kill him crucial that won't kill him I thought it was so mean I was like oh my god I did not think about that implication of skipping Iron Man 3 won't kill him. I thought he was trying to murder his friend. Oh my God. That makes sense. I did not think about that implication

of skipping Iron Man 3. I thought it was so crazy. Wait, you watched? Wait a minute. You skipped Iron Man 3? I know. Fight Leah. If you're gonna skip

an Iron Man, you gotta skip two. I wanted them to see Natasha in her terrible first form. Okay, yes, that makes sense. Because Iron Man 2 is the worst of the Iron Mans. 3 is better than 2.

I don't think we liked 2. We liked 1 okay, I think. 1 was fine. I get it, it's a movie. I would say up until this movie, the movies are very hit and miss. Some are good, some are bad, some some are good some are bad some are good some are bad genuinely bad from here on it's i find pretty good for the most part yeah in terms of okay good clarity of storytelling and although i know it's confusing right now but in terms of

what then unfolds they the movies are better i think okay i think we should skip a little bit down and talk about first i just want to bring up that fucking peggy carter dies and i was like that was really crazy i was like why did this have to happen in her funeral for no reason for no reason and he's all sad but i guess it was so he could kiss emily from um that abc show what's her name was that the only reason niece so he can can kiss he's in love with Peggy Carter and then he makes out with her niece. That's actually sick because then he's

going to fuck multi-generations. Yeah. Whoa. And he lives forever so like this could go on for eternity. He needs to spread his seed to different families. Listen, he's gotta. Oh my god. Wait, so much fucking happens.

We literally don't, we cannot get into all of this actually. It goes on for so fucking long. It really does. Spider-Man is key. We have to talk about Spider-Man. Wait, but first we gotta talk about fucking T'Challa. I was just gonna say, the introduction of Black Panther comes first. So, King T'Chaka, talk about fucking T'Challa. I was just going to say, the introduction of Black Panther comes first. So King T'Chaka, he dies.

T'Challa becomes Black Panther. He like reveals himself or whatever. And I guess nobody knew he was Black Panther. Well, nobody knows there's a Black Panther. Let me, let me. So as of right now in the MCU, they don't know that the Black Panther. So this movie also was so exciting for comic book fans because it introduced both Black Panther and Wakanda in the MCU, neither of which had been introduced yet, really, you know, in a meaningful way. And so this really is the introduction of Black Panther was so exciting.

And that first fight in Vienna where Black Panther is chasing. Is it in Vienna? No, forgive me. It might not be Vienna, but Budapest or Bucharest or wherever they are. The street fight where they're in the tunnel and Bucky grabs the motorcycle and Black Panther's chasing it. It's that I love that action sequence because it goes from rooftops to street level to like all of it. And it brings into play Black Panther as like like like an antagonist or somebody that is like the prowess of that character, I think, is established fantastic in that action sequence, which I love.

So wait, was Black Panther. So obviously he's like a superhero, but like, was there just no trouble? So like we didn't need him. He basically operates in he does the whole thing. It's a step. Have you seen Black Panther the movie? Yeah. Yes.

So, you know, Wakanda is a very isolationist country, you know? And so their whole thing is we don't want people to know we have this level of technology. We don't want people to know. And so Black Panther in the MCU, in the version of the MCU that exists in the movies, he does not operate as like an independent superhero outside of, it appears, outside of Wakanda. I mean, probably he does, but we have not clocked or tracked him in any way so far. And at the end, when they show that little clip of the future movie,

he's just in Wakanda. Correct. Yeah. And the Winter Soldier's going to be in Wakanda or is in Wakanda? Yes. That's where they kind of put him in Wakanda or is in Wakanda? Yes. Yes. That's where they kind of put him in cryo freeze or whatever it is they do. That annoyed me that he was going to be frozen. I was like, why are we bringing this mess to Africa?

Yeah. He just needs to stay far, far away. I don't like him. Yeah. I'm over the Winter Soldier. Bring him somewhere else. Make him just be Tommy Lee. He should be Tommy Lee in the movie.

I would love that. The character doesn't have a personality. He sure doesn't. You're right. It's annoying. You're right, and it's tough. It's a tough character in the movies because they keep erasing his brain.

They keep erasing him and resetting him back to zero so he doesn't have a personality. Right. But we do find out he remembers stuff about Captain America like he wears newspapers

for shoes. Yeah. He was like, what the fuck? What a goof. What a weirdo. No wonder he couldn't get into the army.

He's like, you don't even know what shoes are. You don't even have shoes you little skinny scrawny weirdo. Tiny little guy. I think the thing, the scene we haven't talked about that's

like right where we kind of are going is the airport fight scene where they fight each other. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, okay, wait. So that's when Spider-Man's already introduced. Yeah, so he goes, oh, it's Spider-Man. That's Spider-Man's first in suit. Yeah, we get Spider-Man at his apartment. He's just a little boy and he has a really goofy little Spider-Man outfit and then Tony gives him a good one. Okay, so they say goodbye. Who's Sharon?

Sharon Carter is Peggy Carter's niece who makes out with Captain America. Okay, so Captain America's team goes to the airport She's also a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent. She's also a super spy and is from the comics and is a badass. We've seen her. Oh yeah, because she goes to the cafe where everyone's also a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent. She's also like a super spy and is from the comics and is a badass. We've seen her. Oh, yeah, because she goes to the cafe where everyone's wearing a hat and sunglasses to be inconspicuous.

And then she doesn't look them in the eye and slides them something. If I was having a coffee, I'd be like, these people are up to something. It was so wild. I was like, what? No one's worn these hats before. What are these glasses? And now we live in a world in which people are like hats, sunglasses, and face masks all over the place. If you showed people pictures of people in full face coverings everywhere now, you'd be like, oh, it's like a Starbucks full of criminals.

If I was standing in a Starbucks and looked around and everybody was wearing face masks, sunglasses, and hats, I'd be like if if I was standing in a Starbucks and the looked around and everybody was wearing face masks, sunglasses and hats, I'd be like, oh, we're fucked. And instead now I see that and I'm like, oh, thank God. It's very, very weird. OK, so he says goodbye to Sharon. Captain America's team goes to the airport in Berlin with the intent to steal a plane and fly to Siberia.

Iron Man's team arrives and a massive fight ensues. They split up into small groups. Peter Parker, with a new enhanced suit courtesy of Stark Industries, picks on Sam and Bucky. Black Panther clashes with Steve, and in a last-ditch effort, Ant-Man uses his suit to out... I was happy to see Ant-Man. I like Ant-Man, but he was too, like, fanboy-y.

I was like, you're also a superhero. You're cooler than this. Oh, see, i liked that i like like i'm shaking your hand too long kind of like you know because for scott lang like this is like this is a huge step up yeah well yeah he normally is on his own little path on his own just doing like little things so to suddenly be like meeting captain america and fighting iron man it's just funny because i feel like in my mind as the viewer, I'm like, they know about each other. Like, so when he got his powers, he's like, wait, so I'm like Captain America.

You know what I mean? Like he like had like, it seems like they don't think about each other when they get their powers. They're having their own journey and it feels like they're the only one in the world. That's I think that's intentional in a way so that they can that people have different levels of movies. The Ant-Man movies are smaller in nature. They're literally smaller. But they are smaller stories. It's a lot more about him and his family.

He's a thief. It's not like, oh no, a rift has opened in the sky and aliens are pouring out. You know what I mean? So they purposefully separate it in a way so that they can do different kinds of storytelling. But then bring them all together here and be like, oh, now everybody together in a movie. So in the next Avengers movie, is Ant-Man in there and Black Panther? So like everybody? Oh, okay.

So it's like Fast and Furious. First they start out as antagonists. Yes. And then Jason Statham is the enemy in a movie. And then the next movie, he's in the family. He's right with everybody else. He's part of the family. So now, you know, like all of these people will be kind of like baked into the larger team, the larger like, oh, we need help, you know, call in everybody kind of thing.

Yeah. Yeah. Ant-Man gets all big. And then he moves really slow, though. I was like, how come he can't move faster? Because if you were that big, you wouldn't be able to move fast. Your mass would be so... And he's never done it.

Oh, fair. And I love when Rhodey is like, oh, little guy's big now. Little guy's doing whatever he says. All right. Well, they have their big fight, okay? Natasha, okay, so then... Okay, Lauren.

So Ant-Man gets big. We gotta power through this. Because we've got a lot of other little things we want to touch on. Natasha okay so then the last okay Lauren so Ant-Man gets big we just we gotta we gotta we gotta zit up through this somewhere because we've got a lot of other little things we want to touch on

but okay sorry I'm interrupting no it's great you're actually explaining it so well I like the movie a little bit more

now that I understand what's happening me too so okay so he gets big and then it creates a distraction that allows Steve

and Bucky to reach a jet and Natasha lets them go but the rest of the Avengers are captured so then Okay, so he gets big, and then it creates a distraction that allows Steve and Bucky to reach a jet, and Natasha lets them go, but the rest of the Avengers are captured. So then Tony and Rhodey chase the jet. They're pursued by Sam. Vision attempts to blast Sam, but then he misses, hits Rhodey. Oh, no, he falls down and is left paralyzed.

Peter's also injured, and Iron Man's like, you're out. And then they fight, and then Natasha goes into hiding. Tony discovers that bucky framed frame was framed by zemo and it was zemo who killed black panther's father oh no he visits the avengers in top secret prison called the raft and convinces sam to tell him where steven bucky went he sends his plane back to new york and stealthily flies solo to siberia pursued by t'challa steven bucky and tony discover that zemo has murdered the other winter soldiers and then oh he did? Oh No because there was that point where they're all in their little pods

Yes and then he's like behind the thing and he's like I killed them and then there was like bloody heads okay yeah They thought he was going to activate them so that he could have like an evil army of Winter Soldiers and instead he was like oh no I don't want any of this shit I want all of this shit i want all of

this yeah i want all these special people gone uh so releasing them is like not part of the plan zemo reveals that he's slovakian did i say that right nope so slovakian would actually be something real he reveals it i understand why you said it it's like that's actually from our from our world i see sokovkovian wants to punish the Avengers for the death of his family during the Ultron attack by dividing them.

Zemo shows Stark a security video from 1991 which reveals Bucky, the Winter Soldier, is the assassin who murdered Stark's parents. Tony turns on both of them

and another fight breaks out. After disabling Iron Man's armor, Cap leaves with Bucky. Tony bitterly tells him that his shield doesn't belong to him but rather his father who made it.

In response, Steve drops the shield. Who has the shield? We'll never know. Zemo waits outside, triumphant and talks to T'Challa. They discuss revenge. T'Challa prevents Zemo from killing himself and takes him in. But even under the custody of Everett Ross, Martin Freeman, Zemo thinks he did a pretty good job breaking up the Avengers.

Back at the Avengers compound, Tony helps to rehabilitate Rhodey. He receives a package containing a phone and a letter from Steve, who's now on the run. In the letter, Steve apologizes for not telling him the truth about his parents, and we also see him freeing some of the members of his team, namely Sam, from the raft. In the mid-credits scene,

Bucky and Steve are granted asylum in Wakanda, where scientists work on a way to remove Hydra's brainwashing so he'll no longer be the Winter Soldier. And then in a post-credits scene, Peter lies to Aunt May about where he's been and discovers a holographic computer in his web shooters, courtesy of Tony Stark. It kind of seemed like they were kind of playing on like a little

teen boy who's like trying to masturbate and his aunt keeps walking in the room. He's like, get out of here! Close the door! And then he puts it on the scene and he's like, whoa. Originally they shot it as just a jerk-off scene. Then like a web just shoots across the room. Just, yeah, it's just like, get out of here. Close the door. Close the door. And he's like, whoa. Originally, they shot it as just a jerk-off scene. Then like a web just shoots across the room. Just, yeah, it's just like, and there's just, the ceiling is just covered in web. Ooh.

All right, we'll take a quick break and we'll be back with a little bit more. And we're back. Okay, this movie wasn't nominated for any major awards. Sure wasn't. But the movie did win a Teen Choice Award for Chris Evans, a People's Choice Award for Robert Downey Jr., and a Saturn Award for Best Performance by a Younger Actor for Tom Holland, who, by the way, was fantastic. He was great. I bought it. He's the best Spider-Man. I'm so unfamiliar with him as an actor. I just know that he's like very famous and that's it. And I am now

seeing why. He hadn't done much. He's OK. So forgive me. I know we're going long, so I'll make it brief. When Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield played Spider-Man, they were both in their mid to late 20s playing a teenager in high school. Right? So they were like grown men pretending to be 18 years old. When he shot this movie, Tom Holland was, I believe, 18 years old. Oh, so he's like an actual kid. Yeah. And he had done that crime series,

that UK crime series. Oh, shit. I can't remember the name of it. There were three installments of it. It was like 1976. What was the... Anyway, he'd done a bunch of British TV, a bunch of British stuff.

And that's kind of where they found him. And he was like this like really incredible kid. Like part of the reason Spider-Man does like flips in this in this is Tom Holland can do flips. Oh, he was Billy Elliot on the West End. So he has dance training as well. Oh, that's right. That's right, too. Yeah. Oh, I bet that was great. And he's got he for me is the best Spider-Man because Spider-Man is like a wisecracking, quippy teenager who's like, that's his whole thing. I like that. Yeah.

Nobody ever has been able to do that. And he does it, I think, so well from the jump here. Yeah. When he's like, oh my God, you've got a metal arm. Cool. Yeah, I love that. I thought it was really cute. Yeah. He's so delighted to be in the fight, you've got a metal arm? Cool. Yeah, I love that. I thought it was really cute. Yeah, he's so delighted to be in the fight, you know?

Yeah, that's nice. I think that's great because I actually never really remembered that the other Spider-Men that I've seen were supposed to be teenagers. Like grown men being teens, yeah. I know, it's that weird thing where it's like, oh no, to play a teenager you get like 20 somethings. Right. thing where it's like, oh no, to play a teenager, you get like 20 somethings. So this film holds a 90% average on

Rotten Tomatoes, the same as Winter Soldier, and a big jump from the first Captain America, which only holds a 79% score. Wow. A.O. Scott of the New York... That's a very good rating. A.O. Scott of the New York Times wrote, Captain America Civil War does not in any way transcend the conventions of the genre. On the contrary,

it succeeds because it doesn't really try. Oh, the film grossed over a billion dollars worldwide, making it the fourth highest grossing superhero film of all time. Wow, that's amazing. A billion fucking dollars. It's so nuts. Oh, my God. Okay, we're gonna read a little trivia for you. On April 11th, Marvel promoted the film's release by asking fans to choose Team Iron Man or Team Cap on Twitter. Those who made the choice received an automated semi-personalized video response from a member of the Captain America Civil War cast. And then it

lists basically all these people recorded dozens of videos. Wow. What? Okay, wait. Yeah. Okay, wait. If we give Leah a team choice, she will play you play us a personalized video. I have a presentation. With our name? With my name? I can play all of them or if you want to choose Team Cap or Team Ironman

I can do that. Should we do one of each? Yeah. I like them both. I guess I'll choose Team Ironman. I'll choose Team Cap. Jason, who do you want? Oh, I would be Team Cap all the way.

I'm not signing those accords. Are you kidding me? Oh, that's what I'm agreeing with? Oh, my God. I thought I just wanted who I want to see talk. Oh, no, no, no. Okay. Oh, okay.

Well, whatever. I didn't understand the prompt. Leah is sharing her screen. I am. There's a lot of tabs. Yeah, there really are. Oh, that's your team cat. Oh my God.

Oh wait, I want to see that one. I like him. I like him. I like him. I like him. Well, unfortunately, by the time they got to Lauren's name, they'd kind of run out of steam.

Oh no. Oh boy. You're the real hero. Thanks for joining team cat. Oh, he doesn't say Lauren. Oh, I thought he was saying. For team Iron Man, you get Chadwick.

Team Iron Man is so glad to have you. I can't even put into words the decision that you just... You just hit the jackpot. How sweet. But wait, why were they out of... Why were they having a hard time? They don't have to personalize it at all. Just do it once.

You'll see. Okay. Which one did you choose nicole i think i chose team cap okay this is team cap for you i think yeah oh it's bucky well he looks cool now i love you oh so they stopped caring by the time i got to learn just put it on the screen yeah so they said like what i know i am too but it's not even my name this is insane i love you you gotta start from the beginning this is so unfair that my name didn't get said i'm pissed here you also here's your uh iron man one nicole i don't say team iron man. He's so mad at me. This is really hot, though.

There's something about. Oh, that's funny. It's like I'm understanding cameo. It feels very personal. I'm like, I. Can you send this to me personally? I will. And I will also send you a YouTube playlist of Sebastian Stan going through names over and over and over. It's fantastic.

But like, how many names did they do? There's a million names. Jason also has Sebastian. Wait, you chose? Oh, I do? Yeah, this is Cap. Okay. Jason.

Team Cap. Good choice. He's exhausted. He's exhausted. He's exhausted. But he was excited to say my name, so like, he loves me. Jason. What the hell?

Really, Team Iron Man? Why wasn't he in a real room? There's like a clothing rack behind him. Because he was going for a fitting and they were like, do this press stuff. And he was like, do I have to? Oh my God, he had to say 8,000 names? This is exactly what I wanted to say.

Because when I watch these things, I'm like, oh, this is contractually obligated. He is obligated. All of these people are obligated to do a degree of press. Right. And what we're watching is people's frustration with a junket where they're like, I know you just talked to 130 people today for three minutes each. But we also need you to spend the next hour and a half just giving internet messages to people. It's crazy.

I'm watching how miserable they all look. That is insane. They look miserable. But guess what? It did it for me. I'm in love with this man. But Nicole, it's so unfair, Nicole. They got to my name and they just went, just put it on the screen. I'm so sorry, Lauren. I wanted to hear it.

And it's shocking because you would have thought they would have gone alphabetically and gotten to Lauren first. Yeah, Lauren comes before Nicole. How many names did they do, Leah? That's so crazy. So many. They have mine. I got Paul Bettany, but he said Leah, not Leah, which is a pet peeve of mine. I'm so sorry. That's just because he's British.

You're right. Real dark. That's just because he's British. Wait, did we send me that video? Because I don't know how to find it. Nicole needs it to like jerk off to you. I'm gonna fucking flick my bean. Play that. And then the, um, then the scene from Pam and Tommy where you see his dick and I am the voice. Oh my God.

I know. I forgot. Oh my God. Wait, really? Yes. You have to watch. Oh, sorry. Spoilers.

This is delightful. I watched that. That was hilarious. Um, okay. Wait. Sorry, spoilers. This is delightful. No, I watched that. That was hilarious. Okay, wait. So the day before filming a fight scene with Robert Downey Jr., Sebastian Stan sent a video of himself doing intense bicep curls in front of the decapitated head of an Iron Man suit.

He attached the message, looking forward to our scene tomorrow, Robert. Wow. Having fun. Yeah, I guess so. Chris Evans, he said of the famous helicopter shot that was really my arm and you know what i took a page out of anthony mackie's book when we were doing age of ultron i worked out just before the take but there were a bunch of scenes where i was the only one out of

the cast doing it and i'd be embarrassed and feel shame so i didn't do it that often then we started silver warm before each take mackie's just curling weights nonstop and I thought, yeah, what are you doing, Chris? Just curl some weights. Who cares? I'm not going to worry about 20 people judging me

as opposed to 200 million people seeing the scene forever. Wow. Chris Evans, I'm mad you said that out loud. flawless Chris Evans. You sounded just like him.

Like, that way, I closed my eyes for a moment and I was back in the movie. Thank you. Definitely, Nicole, I agree, should not have been said. I think that's what you should only think.

Never say that. Okay. Costume designer, Judy Anna Makovsky. Dudes in these movies, though, love to talk about working out. You have to. If you read any interviews

with the dudes that are in these movies, they love talking about working out. You have to. If you read any interviews with the dudes that are in these movies, they love talking about working out. Well, because it becomes their whole life. It is. Yes, you're right. But I gotta say,

The Rock holds a helicopter to a truck in one of the Fast and Furious movies. Maybe it's Hobbs and Shaw. No, maybe it's Fast 9. And I gotta say, I enjoyed that scene a little bit better

because it was a little bit more wild. Yeah. Oh, I agree. There are action sequences in the Fast and Furious movies that I like way more than in these movies. But these movies are, I think, geared towards a younger audience, you know, in some ways, and the Fast and Furious a little bit older. But yes, there have been, I think, a number of scenes in which a single person tries to hold a helicopter to a building.

Okay, the costume designer revealed that for all of Chris Evans' scenes without the suit, they had him wear t-shirts that are several sizes too small. I know. But his muscles pop on camera. We are all aware. All of his t-shirt scenes were scheduled at the start of the filming because he loses a lot of weight over the months it takes to film a Marvel movie. Oh. Interesting. Let's jump to

our five Stark Industries. This is our, we also know there was a kiss in this film. It was between Chris and the baby of his or whatever. Captain America and Sharon Carter. It could have been hotter. It could have been hotter. It could have been,

but I was glad it happened. Me too. It probably shouldn't have happened at all if I'm being honest. I mean, Peggy just died, my gosh.

And it seemed like he was like asking for permission. He was like, she's dead and I loved her, but like, can we do it? And what I,

I don't know if you guys remember this, but in Captain America 1, she lived across the hall from him and was impersonating a nurse. But she was really spying on him for S.H.I.E.L.D. slash Hydra. OK, got it. Yeah. OK, well, to wrap it up, Five Star Industries is our segment where we read listener reviews.

And this one comes from Maddy Fatty 93. Five stars. Absolutely hilarious. Absolutely love this podcast. Nicole and Lauren are hilarious. Have some of the best hot takes on these films. Listening to you discover them makes me wish I could go back. Wait, these are reviews of your podcast? They're not reviews of the movie?

No, no. Just catch up. We like to hear nice things about ourselves. I love this take. I love this. Discover them makes me wish I could go back and watch them for the first time. I listen to each episode while driving to work and probably look psychotic to all the other drivers as I'm clapping and cackling along. Also, the theme songs

for each season slap. Thank you so much, Maddie Fanny. I love to think about this person listening and clapping instead of holding a steering wheel. I think it's good. It's great. So, in addition to Apple reviews of newcomers, we're also going to be reading reviews from Letterboxd and then giving a one sentence review and a star rating.

If you don't know what Letterboxd is, it's a social platform where people can write reviews of films. You can follow the show on Letterboxd. This Letterboxd review says Civil War laughing my ass off. This isn't a war. This is 12 friends fist fighting in a parking lot. Lindsay. She still gave it three and a half she's not wrong this is a five or a four star review from lily i think we should start calling this avengers 2 and just pretend that age of ultron never happened i agree lily

i have no problem with that all right ultron is one of my least favorites let's each rate and review the movie with a one sentence review. Nicole? Okay, so going in, it was going to be lower, but I'm going to do three and a half stars, and my one sentence review is pretty confused up until the last 20 minutes,

and then Jason helped me get through the first two hours of the movie, and I get it. Three and a half stars. Yeah, that's good. Okay, my review is three stars the first two hours of the movie and I get it three and a half stars. Yeah. That's good. Okay. My review is three stars. Um,

Spider-Man was good and I liked the end cause I started to understand. Yeah. But tough, tough one for me. Tough one. Tough. I can see that. I,

and that if, if you're not familiar with this stuff, I think this is, this can be a pretty confusing movie. That being said, it is genuinely one of my favorite movies in the MCU because of the introduction of Black Panther, because of the introduction of the MCU's Spider-Man, because of so many of these elements coming into play and the stories that I get excited because I know they're coming because these characters are here. The Civil War element of it, Cap versus Iron Man, I don't care that much about. Neither Cap, Din America, nor Iron Man are my favorite characters. So I like what it provides the backdrop for all these other characters and all this other kind of world building for what's going to be this, what is what's coming next, basically.

So I'm going to give it four and a half stars because I, I, I really like this movie. I think I requested to do this movie for the podcast um because i really it's one of my favorite movies for mostly for the spider-man introduction but also like a bunch of the other stuff i mentioned it's i think it's really strong but i can see and concede that it is very confusing very dense and has way too many characters you know, for you to just drop in and try watching. Based on what we have said, which movie do you think we're going to enjoy the most? I think, well, I mean, here's the thing.

I think you guys will enjoy some of the standalone. Like, did you? Oh, no, you must have already done, like, Guardians of the Galaxy. Yeah. Did you enjoy that? I did to some extent. I loved Groot.

I liked the colors. Yes, of course. Okay. Okay. So I was going to say like some of the things that are like Guardians of the Galaxy that exist without you needing to know a bunch of history or a bunch of other stuff. Yeah. other stuff yeah i was gonna say those might work best as single watch those might be the most satisfying single watches um because you don't need a lot of cumulative information but i suspect because you're watching them so close together infinity war and endgame the final two movies

in the mcu kind of first three phases the end of phase three i think you will find satisfying okay all right i i hope you will find satisfying i hope so too um it's again it's a lot of stuff and it's a lot of callbacks and a lot of you know nonsense uh but they're i i was i like them you know because i think they pay off a lot of what they've been setting up. They set it up for like 12 years, you know. So I was shocked that they were able to kind of pull it off. Anyway, I hope that you like those. I will be listening to see if you like those movies.

I hope so, too. Jason, do you have anything you want to plug real quick? Oh, just how did this get made? The podcast that Paul Scheer, June, Diane, Raphael, and I do, which is about bad movies. We talk about movies that, you know, we just did Diana the Musical. I saw a clip of that on Instagram, and it looked so funny. I watched a lot of it. Oh, my God.

It's pretty wild. The clip on your Instagram, I guess it's the, I don't know if Paul posted it, but it's like you guys talking over it. It's so funny. People should go check them out. I think it's hilarious. The movie is a filmed performance of a stage production of this Diana, Princess Diana, the musical. It is wild stuff. It's so crazy.

So that's our podcast. If you like hearing people talk about movies and this this podcast is you know another kind of show where you're you're listening to people react to a movie you might like uh how did this get made give it a try definitely okay well please leave us a review on apple podcast and rate us on spotify and we will be back next week with dr strange Strange. I'm going to predict you guys are not going to like Doctor Strange. Wow. Okay. Well, I'm excited to get into Doctor Strange.

Great. Maybe I'll be wrong. Okay. Bye-bye. Thank you. So That was a Hidgum Original.