Newcomers: Scorsese, with Nicole Byer and Lauren Lapkus - Captain Marvel (w/ Emily Gonzalez and Sammy Smart of Too Scary; Didn't Watch)

Episode Date: June 21, 2022

The MCU finally serves up a female lead superhero and Nicole and Lauren are... well, less than impressed. Emily Gonzalez and Sammy Smart of new Headgum show Too Scary; Didn't Watch go off-script to watch a non-scary movie with us, as we meet Carol Danvers and discuss the moral ambiguity of Nick Fury doing... that thing... he did... to the skrull. You know the scene we're talking about.  Next week's movie: Avengers: Endgame (2019) Like the show? Rate Newcomers 5 stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Nicole and Lauren to read on the pod! Follow the podcast on Letterboxd. Advertise on Newcomers via Gumball.fmSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a HeadGum Original. War is a universal language. I know a renegade soldier when I see one. Never occurred to me that one might come from above. above. Space invasion. Big car chase. Truth be told, I was ready to hang it up till I met you today.

So you're not from around here. It's hard to explain. I keep having these memories. I see flashes. I think I had a life here. But I can't tell if it's real. We have no idea what threats are out there. We can't do this alone.

We need you. I'm not what you think I am. Thank you. Well, this is us. We're doing... This is us. My favorite show. This is us on NBC, and we're going through the Marvel Cinematic Universe. This is Newcomers. I'm Nicole Byer.

And I'm Lauren Lapkus. And this is the 16th episode of the fifth season. Oh my God, we've really been doing this. Flying through. We are working our way through the Marvel Cinematic Universe with the help of fellow newcomers, super fans, and sometimes even people who have contributed. So yeah, this season's only going to be 20 episodes.

We're going to cover as much as we can. We're not going to get to everything. And today, wow, oh, wow, we are covering Captain Marvel. Captain Marvel, and it's available on Disney+. You can also watch it for a fee on Amazon, Apple TV, Google Play, and Vudu. And obviously, we're going to spoil the whole film, so deal with that. voodoo and obviously we're going to spoil the whole film so deal with that and nicole just before we bring our guests out what do you think of this movie this movie warren was tough it like reminded me of star wars in the worst way possible wow wow um i didn't really like there wasn't much

like of a girl power anthem until she stole shit from the motorcycle. And then I'm just a girl. And I have to say, I have to say I saw this in theaters randomly because it was a very random situation. I might have even mentioned before, but I thought I got excited at that part. But I think I had been like, you know, sitting there for two hours going like, what am I watching? And then they played a song I like and i was like yay and then this time i was like this movie i can't even follow for the i don't know how i watched it before i don't know what i thought was happening i mean it's true and these alien people oh god the alien family

and then a wild cat that was an octopus the cat and then the Tesseract I was like wait isn't what so I guess Captain Marvel why is the Tesseract

always there it takes place before Garty no I don't fucking know oh god the juice man was there

and he wanted the Tesseract and then I know and then it was the 90s yeah it was the 90s I was so confused and then those aliens look like watermelon.

They did. With Thanos' bald chin, and that was confusing to me. And I just, it was, it was, it was. I think we should bring out our guests because I feel like. We should. I would love to hear what they would think of this. Let's just do it. So we are so excited about our guests today.

We have two guests. We have Emily Gonzalez and Sammy Smart. And Emily, okay, I'll just introduce you and then I'm going to say something. But Emily Gonzalez is an actor and designer and Sammy Smart is a documentary film editor. And together they host a show now on HeadGum called Too Scary, Didn't Watch, where they watch and don't watch, respectively, horror movies and discuss them. So welcome to the show. We're so excited you guys are here. Thank you for coming. God, thank you guys so much for having us.

I wanted to say that I was asking Paula Tompkins for a podcast recommendation and he talked at length about your show and said it's so great. We love Paul. We love Paul. We love Paul for doing that, for spreading the good word of our show. And I love that you have a show where you don't have to watch the movie. Me too. Yeah, that's nice because people get mad at us when we say we didn't pay attention.

Can I read you a tweet this man tweeted today? Yeah, please. Ryan said, this is where I tap out. You can only listen to someone go, hey, I didn't pay attention. Here's my opinion so many times. Tap out, Ryan. And thank you for playing. Yeah, thanks for letting us know.

Thank you for playing. Yeah. What can we do? We can't please everyone. It is the fun of the podcast that we don't catch every little detail. And I don't know what to tell you. Some people, you know what I will say? Most people think it's fun.

Most people. That's fun most people that's the best you can do yeah that is the absolute best you can do every now and again we get reviews too they're like you're not detailed enough or you don't uh this isn't really a skip to detail and it's like yeah watch the movie yourself if that's what you want to do i also disagree that you guys aren't paying attention. You're taking very close attention. And you're watching them for the first time. You can't be expected to have memorized the script. Oh my God, thank you so much.

Thank you. Like everyone's lucky I remember what a Tesseract was. We reference this shit and we catch callbacks. I mean, like we are paying attention. Like you have to, we will just admit when we didn't catch something or we're not looking at our phone for five seconds which god save us we have to do yeah I mean during this one oh man this was tough Emily Sammy how familiar are you guys with the Marvel Cinematic Universe I would say I am I am less familiar than Sammy

I'm as familiar as anyone who is alive is, which is to say that it is all over the place. I have seen some, but I'm not as good at the all of them together movies. And I did at one point early in the pandemic on a night where I was bored and felt like I just wanted to let a movie happen to me. I picked the event.

I think I picked the Avengers infinity war. One of the later ones got 15 minutes in and I had absolutely, I was like, surely the filmmakers will help me out. Um, and they don't. And so, um,

I find it a little overwhelming, find it a little overwhelming. It's a lot to jump into like without the context because even with the context we're going what like this one i will say captain marvel 20 minutes in there's 40 000 things that have happened yeah a lot of things happened and then i was like she got stolen she's got memories who annette bening why are you being so creepy yeah I know okay wait um Sammy how about you have do you have any experience with this franchise um I'm a little a little bit more into it I still feel like I'm also reaching a bit of a like maximum capacity

it just like keeps growing and it feels like there's more and more things I need to remember and it is getting overwhelming even for me who normally really enjoys it. I for some reason started at Iron Man 3. That's where I hopped in. And I've seen most of them since then. And I'm I also really enjoyed the the series. I'm big on the series. Loved WandaVision. Loved Loki. Okay. What about about Hawkeye Hawkeye you know I even found something to enjoy in Hawkeye wasn't Jeremy Renner yeah it wasn't my favorite but I still had some fun and Sammy on the podcast you explain the movie that you you watch a movie yeah scary movie and Emily is it simply that you are too scared to watch the movie?

And so you're just afraid of horror films? Yes, but I would like to not be. So I am trying. I use the podcast as my way to dip my toe in. And I've started watching some, I've been doing it for about three years, and I've started watching some scary movies.

Because I'm very curious about them. I watched A Quiet Place, and I found that to be very tense. It is very tense. We went and saw Conjuring 3 in theaters with Betsy. We did. But it was not very scary, I thought. That's true. Which was kind of a bummer, because I was ready.

But Conjuring is, in general, a pretty scary. I mean, it was brave of you to even go into that. I think it's a pretty scary franchise. Isn't that the one with the nun with black eyes or something? She's part of that world, yeah. That's also a universe. There's a whole Conjuring universe. Oh, we could do that next.

We could. There's a lot of movies. I'm too scared, honestly. I think I'm too scared. Should we get into the Daily Bugle bop boop bop boop yes we should

this is our news segment this season where we give a recap of what's going on in the MCU so an animatronic there's a really goofy picture an animatronic

Spider-Man at Disney California Adventure Avengers Campus malfunctioned and crashed into a building that's really funny you can watch it on Instagram. So it's a 15-second clip of this gigantic Spider-Man flying backwards off this building. We're going to watch it.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Imagine being a child. I know. And being like, ooh, Spider-Man. Oh, my God. It looks like he's doing it on purpose. Oh, no. Oh, the stunt robot crashed for us i guess

he was he was supposed to do some of it yeah so i think in the show like there's an actor playing spider-man who does like some flips and then this robot like seamlessly transitions so it looks like he's doing this crazy thing but then he flew into a robot crashed into a building wow that's honestly my favorite thing i've seen in a very long time i loved it he flops so hard yeah it's like really lifeless oh boy someone was traumatized for sure probably it's I love Spider-Man. Spider-Man's dead now. Yeah. Because he literally saw him

flipping purposefully moments before. Okay, another piece of the Daily Bugle is we now know two new members of Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3 cast.

Daniela, uh-oh. Mel? Mel? Ooh, that's good. And Maria? Bakalova.

Yes, teamwork. Either actress's roles have been disclosed. Mel Shure ooh that's good and Maria Bakalova yes teamwork either actress's roles have been disclosed oh that's Borat's daughter yeah oh my god

she's so good oh my god she's gonna be in Guardians of the Galaxy that's cool that's great one more thing is that Doctor Strange

and the Multiverse of Madness will stream on Disney Plus on June 22nd a little earlier than expected. So everyone hold your horses and get excited. Hold your little horses. It's coming this month. I saw it.

I was disappointed. Have either of you seen it? I saw it, yes. Samey did. It wasn't my favorite, but I liked it just because of the Sam Raimi-ness of it. Because I like horror a lot, I feel like so much of his little stamp was put on it. It's just so crazy.

Oh, yeah. Nicole, you said it was really scary. I thought it was pretty scary and pretty gruesome. Also, I did miss the first 15 minutes of it. You better believe I was so late, so I was pretty confused. It's confusing Yeah they're like I mean they're just getting to this point where You're like how the fuck am I supposed to remember

Everything that's happened They expect you to have done your homework I feel like You actually really need to know a ton of stuff for it Yeah I was confused as well But I don't understand where the little girl came from That must have happened in the first 15 minutes. Probably.

Yeah, but it starts with her in it, right? Like in the very first scene. She's like immediately there. Yeah. So there's not much explanation, but you've already gotten used to her. I guess you get a bit of explanation. But yeah, it is just, it's a lot. It takes 15 minutes to no longer care that you don't know where she's coming from.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's pretty much how this works, I would say. We just keep watching and then go. I guess I'll figure this out at some point. Yeah, I'll figure it out later. Sometimes I go, I don't understand, and the podcast will explain it. Like, when I am talking, it will make sense. There you go.

Something I like to tell people a lot is that what people I think that engage with comic book stories only in tv and film don't realize is that comic books have footnotes and so like if a character shows up or like a scene there'll be a little asterisk and then a little box that's like oh this happened in invincible iron man issue this is so nice do they not read the footnotes yeah so you flip through and then you go oh okay cool and then you don't have to worry about it you're like okay i believe you sure that happened in something I didn't read. And maybe you'll go and buy that issue if you are super interested. I would love if Marvel movies

would put in a black screen like silent films and just like a little bit like, this person is this and here's what their deal. And then like go back away and back into the movie. That would be so nice. But then that would make the movies five hours long. That's true. Because they'd have to explain every moment.

I don't have time. All right. Well, let's take a quick break, and then we're going to jump into Captain Marymount. If you're wondering what a NordVPN is, I'll tell you. VPN stands for Virtual Private Network, a service that protects your internet connection and online privacy. A VPN creates an encrypted tunnel for your data, protect your online identity by hiding your IP address, and allow you to use public Wi-Fi hotspots safely. I'm using a Nord VPN myself. And honestly, it's very easy to use.

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properly i think you did as you said all the names, I was like, pretty easy. I could have taken a swing. It was directed by Anna Bowden and Ryan Fleck, and it was released on International Women's Day, March 8th, 2019. Oh, wow. That's extra thought. You know, and that kind of stuff means something to me

as a woman. I actually love it now. Yeah, this is how I celebrated that year, for sure. Yeah, for sure. I was like, I'm going to go watch a superhero kick some ass. So let's jump into our story here. In 1995, Verze, Brie Larson, a soldier for the Kree Empire who has no memory of her past or how she obtained her powers.

Real quick. Yeah. Kree empire who has no memory of her past or how she obtained her powers. Real quick. Yeah. So she's not blue like the other Kree people and neither is what's his name? Jude Law. Jude Law. What was his

name? Yon-Rogg. Yon-Rogg. Yon-Rogg. And nobody explains that. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like. Why isn't Jude Law blue? Like I was like was like oh she's actually a human yeah annette benning's also i was gonna say that spoiler but she's not blue they bleed blue right she bleeds blue oh maybe that's something i did like that and i was like that'd be kind

of cool why do some bleed blue and some are blue that i do not know i don't know kind of cool why do some bleed blue and some are blue that i do not know i don't know we'll just see what happens i'm googling why are some cree white twitch feels awesome feels like you can't ask that why are some cree white i think the answer is that it's just like environmental factors sure okay so okay okay uh someone's gonna yell at me environmental factors are they're white um a soldier for the kree empire so she has no memory of her past or how she obtained her powers wakes up from a nightmare on the planet hala she trains yanrog jubal a kree empire commander and leader of star force yanrog believes that vers is ready to join star force Verz goes to meet with the Supreme Intelligence, the artificial intelligence

in charge of the Kree Empire, who appears to her in the form of a woman she does not remember, played by Annette Bening. The Supreme Intelligence approves her for a Starforce mission with a team that includes, uh-oh, Min, Uruk, Gemma Chan, and Korath. Digimon H Honsu I think I said his name right previously in Guardians of the Galaxy their mission is to rescue a Kree operative name Saurlar on the planet Tofla which is inhabited by

the Kree mortal enemy shapeshifters called Skrulls which I hated and I just I didn't like it either all of this felt so Star Wars-y What are they? Skrulls? Skrulls. Skrulls, yes. Which I hated, and I just... I didn't like it either. All of this felt so Star Wars-y. It was so Star Wars-y,

and all the aliens fighting, I was just like, oh my God. Yeah, I was like, get me out of here. And some of their conversations were so earnest while they were aliens, and I was like, that's embarrassing. There's just something rough about that. Verus is abducted by Skrull general talos ben mendelson while the rest of the star force retreat on the spacecraft talos gains access to vers's memories

from various points in her life that she does not remember we got to talk about that growing up in small town america as a tomboy and enlisting in the U.S. Air Force. Again, how is she not a person? Yeah, but I think she is a person. She is. And then that blast made her not a person. Okay, so Verz awakens and Talos explains that he wants information from her pertaining to a light speed engine. She escapes and lands on planet C-53, aka Earth.

But can I just say, her memories, was this when she was like, karaoke? Like she was like doing a couple of things. Yes. I just was thinking about filming those

because it was like, that probably took a long time. Like she had to do a lot. She's like the one where she's trying to climb the rope and she falls down, but it takes a long time. But then it's like two seconds

of like a memory. And then there's the one where she like crashes the go-kart and the man's like you suck at driving you shouldn't be out there i was like who is he what is this it's so mean i know i thought he was like her dad or something oh maybe it was her dad i feel like it is yeah leah says oh the cree gave her a blood transfusion so that's why her blood is blue but she is is human. Okay, thank you. Okay, great. Makes sense.

Okay. But then her body would continue to regenerate Kree blood? Sorry, now I'm down. I know. It should be purple. Yeah, it would be purple. Wow. We need to write a letter to Mr. Marvel.

That definitely should be purple. Mar-Vell. Mar-Vell. Yeah, Mr. Mar-Vell. Her blood reminded me of Gushers. It was that exact blue. It reminded me of Gushers, too. Yum. Or that twisty,

that plastic bottle that you squeeze with the twisty top. Ooh, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, that was always really good. I'm sure that was the nastiest stuff ever, actually. So, Vers crashes through the roof

of a Blockbuster video in the middle of a shopping plaza in LA. She meets Young S.H.I in LA. She meets young shield agents, Nick Fury and Phil Coulson. What they did to Nick Fury in CG was very strange. I couldn't believe that they put his hairline so far forward. Anyway, before the,

the scrolls catch up to her and later in a chase through Los Angeles, one of the scrolls impersonates Coulson and it just arrived with Fury and is killed after Fury discovers his true identity. I clocked that. I was like, that's not him. Oh, really? Impressive. Yeah, because he was being weird.

I always like that kind of thing, though, where like, because I didn't catch that, even though I've seen it before. And I was like, oh, wow. Like, I always love that kind of surprise where it's like, you think everything's like this, but really it's been this the whole time i also felt like the blockbuster like okay i like nostalgic things but i also feel like that was the most obvious choice you could have made to show that it was the 90s like we don't have these there's way too much 90s like haha remember we're in the 90s like it's that's like it was very obnoxious to me. It wasn't so long ago that we totally I love 90s stuff. I'm a 90s kid but it's like stop like I remember I know where we are. I know but I felt like they put those

posters all over the blockbuster that were like just pasted up brand new Smashing Pumpkins, R.E.M., like Rock the Vote. They were like the most untouched. Freshly printed. Yeah. They were like so glossy and just like taped on top of each other. I was like, okay, we get it. Here's something funny. I didn't realize it was the 90s until we read it was 1995.

I thought it was like the 70s. Oh, my God. I love this. I thought it was like a nondescript 70s. Well, they didn't really. I felt that the costumes Of like all the background artists Were not made very 90s Like there was like not

You could have gone full force With some of the At least some trends mixed in there Because I feel like I didn't see any trends And I was like You kind of forget that it's the 90s really fast You just get her 9 inch nails shirt And her flannel

Right That she has to take off and put away How did she even know to tie it around her flannel that she has to take off and put away. How did she even know to tie it around her waist like that? Because if you're a gal you're born with a cool jean. That's true. And then he was like put this cap on. You look like

you're. I was like that's not really making her not look like that. But then she like placed it over her wig like really like like. Oh that wig. Oh my god the wig. Can you imagine trying to fight with someone and like get her hair covered half well I know if you're kicking ass if you're kicking ass you can't see out

of one eye I don't know I like the soft beach waves well it was pretty I was it was beautiful impractical it was imp. I will say it was pretty. Beautiful. Impractical. It was impractical. It didn't move at all. No. But I got to say, if that was a wig, which I'm not quite sure if it was. You're not?

I'm not sure. I think it might actually be her hair or a fall where just her hair is out in the front. It is one of the best wigs, if it's a full wig, in the Marvel franchise. That is true. Yeah, they got some bad ones. But I felt like it was because it was so, it stayed so still. I feel like maybe sometimes it was a wig and sometimes it was her hair.

Like maybe for some, at some point in filming, the wig came into play. Because her friend Maria had one of the worst wigs I've ever seen. Someone did her dirty. I could not believe this weird bowl cut

on this poor black woman. But it was like, who? Who did this to her? 90s or something. Nah. 90s would be more of a pixie. Yeah.

It was very, I think Destiny's Child, they all had great pixies at a point in the 90s. Yeah. Except Beyonce. And Annette Bening, she had a pretty decent wig, although it wasn't ventilated properly, but it was nice. child they all had great fixes at a point in the 90s yeah except bianca and annette benning she had a pretty decent wig although it wasn't ventilated properly but it was nice what does

that mean it means you can see the part so it looks natural so you can see some um scalp in there yeah because i'm actually looking at now and it's like actively not showing the part yeah it's just hair hair oh my Okay, so she's on Earth. Okay, here we go. Meanwhile, Verze researches one of her lost memories and takes a stolen motorcycle to a bar outside of town. Nick Fury meets her there after witnessing his first ever alien autopsy, and the two agree to work together.

They next travel to a facility in Nevada and pull files that confirm that she has a missing fighter pilot who worked alongside Maria Rambeau, LaShonna Lynch, and Dr. Wendy Lawson and Nat Benning. And they also meet Goose, a cat who seems to know verse. Now, Goose felt very Guardians to me. Yes, very that. Also, Nick Fury really takes this alien autopsy well. Gotta say, nobody freaked. He didn't freak out when there was a dead alien next to him. He was like, better up it was wild yeah do you think he's just seen so much i guess but i feel like he hasn't because he just started right what did you think of the part where they are the alien

autopsy it's like on the it's on like the bed or whatever they put it on and then they look at his dick you know what i thought that was a little invasive you know he's dead i think we're all curious but like he dead they wouldn't do it together you know you would do that when no one is in there yeah we all would but you wouldn't share it with a co-worker i don't it might have been funnier if the other guy left then he went oh i'm just gonna peek but also if we're gonna be that invasive let me know what's up what's your alien working with show it yeah show us it could be anything like it could be like a maple leaf like it could just be like something really weird it could be a maple leaf it could be a fish okay so when colson oh

in the trivia in this episode sam jackson oh he, he improvised that. Okay. I like that. What a king. I love it. Now I love it. Sometimes improv's not always friendly. Okay, when Coulson and the other Chilean show up, Fury realizes their boss Keller, also played by Ben Mendelsohn, has been compromised and is being impersonated by a Skrull. Fury and Verse hijack a quad jet to go to the Rambo residence in New Orleans.

Maria and her daughter Monica reveal Verse's original name, Carol Danvers. What a boring name. I know when she's like, my name is Carol. I was like. It's so funny because it's like a Matrix-y reference. Like my name is Neo. But Carol is like the least badass name ever.

Because also that fight between her and Jude Law in the beginning is kind of like Morpheus and Neo-y. I was getting some Matrix-y vibes in this. Oh, you're right. Okay, I've never seen that. Apparently Keanu Reeves. You've never seen The Matrix? Oh my God. It's pretty good.

I liked it. Oh, it's really good. It's my favorite movie. But apparently Keanu Reeves was supposed to be cast in Jude Law's part in this. I would have liked it. Oh, me too. That would have been good. I wonder why he said no.

I feel like he's got to get in this franchise at some point. It's like it's time. 2019. Was he doing a, he was probably doing a wick. Probably doing a wick. Oh. Which I did see and I liked the first one. I liked the first one as well.

Love them. Then you'll like The Matrix, I think. Okay, I'll watch it eventually. So Talos and Nordex arrive at the Rambo residence and negotiate an alliance. Talos reveals that Carol's memories were tampered with by the Kree, that the Skulls are refugees on the run from Kree oppression, and that Wendy Lawson, whose Kree name is Mar-Vell, was a double agent and developing the Lightspeed engine to help the Skrulls outrun from Kree oppression and that Wendy Lawson, whose Kree name is Mar-Vell, was a double agent

and developing the light speed engine to help the Skrulls outrun the Kree. Carol's memories start to come back and she remembers it was Yon-Rogg who assassinated Mar-Vell. I feel crazy saying Mar-Vell. She also remembers gaining her cosmic powers from the light speed engine's energy core.

Gotta say, all of this happened so quickly that i was like oh okay we're just gonna take these watermelons word for it like what we thought they were bad now the watermelon's good i know yeah and then when yang rong when he shot marvell i was like why didn't he just shoot carol too like he had an open shot he could have been like pew pew instead he was like pew and then he was like hello and then she was like ah and then she was like this energy core babow i was like you shouldn't have given her the time did we already talk about the part or does this already cover the part where carol like um fights that old woman quote unquote on the train oh yeah that's much earlier and that was fun can we just, on the train. Oh, yeah. That's much earlier.

And that was fun. Can we just talk about that? That was the only fun I had. That was really, I thought that was very fun. And I was like, who's in that costume? She basically is on the train and she's like, someone here is bad. And she's trying to figure out who. And then she just punches an old lady in the face.

And that person is bad. She passed the old lady before. So she was like, oh, since I passed her her that must be one of the scrolls but my favorite part was all the other people on the train being like we gotta help this old lady and i'm like you just saw that old lady do a kickflip she doesn't need help she's like bouncing off the walls i know and also the part where carol gets out i just call it carol from now on where she gets off the train and everyone's like looking at her like, huh? I didn't think her outfit was that weird. And everyone's looking at her like, what's up with her?

I thought her outfit was kind of normal. Like it wouldn't, nothing would, it wouldn't shock me if I saw that person on a train. No. I'd go, oh, she's going to work at a birthday party. You work at a birthday party you you work at a birthday party off to her job yeah i mean i wouldn't look at her weird i mean if she looked like thanos then i'd be like that's a cause for concern for sure big and purple and has a weird chin his chin looks like in a sparkly glove one thing i really didn't like why did her helmet have a mohawk oh the like underwater or i guess in space not everyone did have a mohawk but she

did and i just i think it's a signature captain marvel thing in the comics uh-huh i just googled this and i i'm also not a fan of it i'm not fond of it in the cartoon version or the drawn version, it looks like her hair coming through. See, that would make more sense, but it was so, I mean, her hair is much longer than that. I think that's what it's supposed to be, though, even in this, because when she, like, undoes it, her hair, like, flutters down. I guess it would, even if it was just a, I don't know, helmet. Right. That actually is probably accurate for the length of her hair for real, but the cartoon version looks longer. Like, it flows behind, like, a sort of version looks longer. It flows behind a sort of unicorn mane.

Interesting. I feel like she should have had short hair. I'm looking at pictures and she seems to have short hair. Yeah, I think she does have short hair at some point. Maybe in the next movie? Maybe when she returns in Endgame she'll have short hair? Maybe. Okay, wait. I just googled this and maybe this is going to be in our trivia or something, but it says the mohawk costume is the result of a comic creator's bet. So basically, the writer Kelly Sue DeConnick

made a bet with the artist Jamie McKelvey, and when Carol Danvers became Captain Marvel in the comics, it wasn't her first time as a superhero. She'd already been saving the world for years under different names, but mostly Miss Marvel. And her Miss Marvel outfit was a swimsuit, thigh-high boots, and a sash,

which, that sounds pretty hot. Yeah, I mean, do that. She's like Pamela Anderson on this cover, which, that's pretty good. But then, yeah, so they made a bet, basically. So the editor sent some designs that were done in-house. I did not love

them and I was like can we get Jamie McKelvey to do this and he was like no we don't have the budget and they ended up doing it and I could read a 12-page article about this because it keeps going and going I don't think you should and I'm not going to and then that's what happened but yeah so it was a bet all right well now we. I like the mohawk. I'm into it. All right. I think it's okay. I think it looks better in the drawing.

It's a little spiky. So, Yon-Rogg arrives on Earth to confront Carol who's actually Norax. Meanwhile, Carol, Nick Fury,

Talos, Maria, and Goose take the quadjet to Mar-Vell's laboratory orbiting Earth where Talos is reunited with his wife and daughter. And we learn that the energy cord that gave Carol her powers is actually the Tesseract. Okay, this was so wild.

I was like, okay, so we find out double agents, whatever, they're not actually bad. And then we find out that the rest of these people are just floating in space. Da fuck? And then that conversation with, like, the family, like, family like when he's like with his wife and daughter and then she's like all scared of carol and then he's like she's a friend he was like in her ear like babe it's okay she's a friend i was like don't they have another language he could be like like if this felt so crazy that he was just like speaking english everyone's she's good she's good she's good that's ben mendelsohn and i love that they also just let him have his australian accent like that there's inconsistent accents throughout the

scrolls like they're just like yeah just do australian that's fine whatever oh my god that's so funny it didn't even register with me it didn't register either but that is funny so star force ambush them and place carol under i don't know, stasis to confront the supreme intelligence. Danvers removes an inhibitor that has been limiting her full power potential and engages in an all-out battle with Starforce. Goose, who's actually a Flerken, swallows the Tesseract and several Kree soldiers. Yeah, the Flerken thing, I thought was wild.

It was crazy. It was kind of fun. Like that was like, but it was, it felt kind of like silly in like a audience way. But it was so weird because the rest of the movie

wasn't silly. No. So it felt so out of place. There was basically no humor in this movie, I would say. Yeah, I did not tee hee hee not one, not one time.

There was like the part where Carol comes up, like when she just lands in the blockbuster and then she. There was like the part where Carol comes up, like when she just lands in the blockbuster and then she walks up to like the car and she's like, is my translator working? You know, she's like, it felt kind of like a Buzz Lightyear sort of moment where like she thinks she's like doing something

and everyone else is like, what? Like that was almost a joke. Because Buzz Lightyear I think is from Star Force. Is he the same? Is it the Lightyear, I think, is from Star Force. Is he the same? Is it the same thing? I think it's Star Force Command. Do you hear me? Oh, my God.

That's hilarious. And Chris Evans about to be in Lightyear. Yep. Which I also just read was banned in multiple countries because it has a gay kiss. Oh, no. Let the gays kiss. Who cares? Who gives a shit? Also, it gay kiss. Oh, no. Let the gays kiss. Who cares? Who gives a shit?

Also, it's crazy. It's animated. It's like, I know. You can't watch two cartoon characters. Somebody literally drew it. It's so fake.

Yes. Totally fake. No lips touched. Nobody's lips touched anybody's lips. It's in a movie about a toy but the guy based on the toy or vice versa. Yeah, really weird.

Okay, so Yon-Rogg authorizes Ronan the Accuser, Lee Pace reprising his Guardians of the Galaxy role to dispatch Kree ballistic missiles at Earth. And Danvers easily destroys the missiles and one of the K world to dispatch Kree ballistic missiles at Earth. And Danvers easily destroys the missiles and one of the Kree warships. And Minerva, the last operable Star Force member, intercepts the quadjet to the Mojave Desert. There's a lot going on. But Maria Rambeau shoots her down. Yon-Rogg arrives on Earth

and challenges Danvers to a duel, which she wins, and she sends him back to Hala with the warning. I did enjoy when he was like, prove yourself! And she was like no. That was funny for me. So in the aftermath Goose Goose claws and blinds Fury's left eye which I guess that's why he's gonna wear a patch later. The Skrulls take temporary shelter at the Rambo residence and Carol vows to help them find a home.

But before going, she hands Fury a modified pager that he can use to call her in the event of an emergency, which is what he does in the last movie in fucking Infinity War. Okay, I actually really like that connection. While drafting a proposal for the protector initiative for S.H.I.E.L.D., Fury notices that Carol's call sign was Avenger

in the Air Force and renames it the Avengers initiative. But you don't even see him type it. You just see him delete Protector and then he smiles as he types the new thing and I was like, he typed Avenger. And then I was like, wait, didn't he have an eye injury earlier but then his eye was fine? And I was like, okay, so it's like a fake out for the eye patch and then it's like wait didn't he have like an eye injury earlier but then his eye was fine

and I was like okay so it's like a fake out for the eye patch and then it's like a real thing yeah he was picking out eyeballs it was pretty serious that part was pretty crazy and then at the

with the pager this is really a fun thing that you just put together so we watched that movie which came out way no it came out earlier why did I think it came out later

no but then I don't like it as much. Oh, so we weren't supposed to fully understand. We don't know what the pager is in Infinity War. Now we know what the pager is. But they should have made Captain Marvel first. So then that would be a huge payoff. I would have liked it way more if I knew what the pager was from watching this movie if I was a fan that had already seen them. That's weird.

And it's funny because I have seen that one. You know, that's what the Reddit's saying right now. She actually did watch this one already. So what does she mean? She doesn't know. Well, I didn't remember because I didn't know what was going on. in a mid-credit scene set in 2018 after the events

of Avengers Infinity War Steve Rogers Natasha Romanoff Bruce Banner and James Rhodes analyze Fury's pager at the Avengers compound Carol suddenly appears

and demands to know where he is in a post-credit scene Goose coughs up the Tesseract on Nick Fury's desk I guess which lets the Tesseract

loose for Thor I think that's where we first see the Tesseract I went I went through it. So, the first place we saw it was with Captain America. Red Skull had it. Oh, yeah. And then it fell

into the ice. Howard Stark had it. So he, Howard Stark formed S.H.I.E.L.D. Wait, how did Red Skull get the tesseract? He got it in Germany, or, no, not Germany, Norway, at the beginning of the first caption america yeah but how did he get from nick fury's desk to germany or norway captain america that was the 40s before yeah so that happened before did it just like come from space

oh yeah yes okay jesus christ this is hard yeah it's really complicated yep so and it was there and it was being developed by shield so i.I.E.L.D. I just looked this up, that's why I sound crazy. By Project Pegasus, which they've referenced in a couple other movies, just like offhand. And that's what Annette Bening joined, because she was looking for the Tesseract because she'd heard of it. She had it in that lab, then Nick Fury has it back, so then at the beginning of Avengers, that's how he, he's just had it in that lab then Nick Fury has it back so then at the beginning of Avengers that's how he's just had it ever since wow

yep we've been talking about the Tesseract and then Thor got it for a month now at this point I liked when the cat coughed it up I didn't mind it it's relative I just don't I don't like when animals You know, liked. It's, you know, relative.

I just don't. I don't like when animals puke. They make that awful noise. It's bad. I know. It was really reminding me of my now deceased cat. Oh, I'm sorry. Bring it down. It's totally fine.

She had a great life. Oh, Lord. I can't mention her without saying she's dead. I guess I'm still processing. Well, animals are very important to people. I don't know what I would do if something happened to Clyde. I know. It's too sad to think about, honestly.

Anyway, Captain Marvel was not nominated for any major awards. But it did win an MTV Movie Award for Best Fight Scene for Brie Larson and Gemma Chan. Which, you know, I didn't love the fighting in this movie no you know I like the idea of this movie but I did not think it was executed well I think that's how I felt too because I was excited about a female superhero I'm into all that like that's the one I would be since it was like one of the only ones I've ever seen it was like I was most excited to see that I'm like oh interesting but yeah I feel like it was one of the only ones I've ever seen, I was most excited to see that. I'm like, oh, interesting. But yeah, I feel like it was really complicated and convoluted and a bit like too many. Truly, if you're just trying to pay attention to it for the sake of talking about it like we do,

I was like, so much is happening. I don't know what's going on. But then it actually was our quickest summary in a way. It was like you can just kind of pop right through it. But in the moment, it feels like so much is happening in each minute it just feels like it really lacks like personality it just is sort of a movie that happens and i agree with you there's like no charm to her or so that makes the stakes feel really low because i'm like okay i agree because i feel like the 90s part of it could have been a really fun thing like Like, I think that, like,

that's totally appealing to me and probably many people. But, like, it didn't feel like they really had fun with the 90s. Like, it could have been, like, more of a thing. Like, just have more fun with that. What's the point of them being in the 90s if you kind of just show, like,

two things from it and don't really, like, explore what that means that it's the 90s? Yeah, and none of it's, like, that connected to the story. Like, I feel like the music being all 90s is like fun because i like 90s music but then i feel like in the guardians of the galaxy where it's happening because of the tape recorder adds something to it where it's like in the story as well and this just kind of feels like they're like well let's just throw some 90s music in there and it's like i guess yeah that's fun like not to harp on i'm just good in this

world there was it wasn't necessary like i love that song but i was like i don't feel the need for that in this moment because there was nothing really about her being a woman and struggling that i was like why are we bringing this up she's been pretty strong the whole time just a little you know dizzy because she didn't know where she came from or nothing like that but like she wasn't overcoming i don't know it didn't feel like she was overcoming anything now that we're saying that it's like the flashbacks i guess were maybe supposed to lay that groundwork like oh this guy yelled at her she was like bad at driving when she was little and she was also five but i didn't think that had anything to do with that girl and just that she was like bad at life right because then she's like failing on the ropes and they were like yeah you'll never be good

at this like it wasn't like you're a girl that wasn't really there's that one pilot who was like that's why they call it a cockpit but it's like that was one guy oh yeah oh by the way i did a i did a pilot with the little girl mckenna grace oh my god years ago we've spoken about her before because she seems like the hardest working child in Hollywood. She's in everything. She's in everything. Wait, is she? Yeah, oh my God.

It will look her up. Especially horror movies and stuff. Yeah, she was in The Haunting of Hill House, which we talked about. She's so cute and she's a great actor and I worked with her like probably five, no, way more than that. Oh my God.

It was probably seven seven eight years ago nine years ago she was really little um she was probably like four or five yeah she's been doing it for a long time whoa how old is she she looks young she's like 13 i think she's 13 that would make sense and i worked with her when she was five yeah she's working she's working she's in huge huge stuff always i hope she's happy i know's working. She's in huge, huge stuff. Always crazy. I hope she's happy. I know.

Oh my God, I think she is. She has little music videos she makes. She's a singer. She's very adorable. Okay. She's adorable. Fantastic. That makes me happy.

Yeah, and she's great. She's also very pretty. She's so cute. Stunning. Yeah. Oh my God. Just like a classic beauty. What a dream.

I know. I hope someone's saying that about me right now somewhere. They are. No, but I'm a classic beauty. What a dream. I know. I hope someone's saying that about me right now somewhere. They are. No, but I'm a classic beauty. They are saying she is stunning. Well, you know what? You are. And someone is saying that.

Thank you. Lauren, you're stunning. You don't have to say it just because I said it. It's fine. No, no, I'll say it. I believe it. I believe it too. Oh, my God. Okay. No, no, I'll say it. I believe it. I believe it too. Oh my God.

Okay, well, the reception of this film, Captain Marvel grossed over a billion dollars worldwide. Well, good for that. It had the highest opening numbers of any female-led film. Well, that makes sense. It holds 79% critic rating on Rotten Tomatoes, with most reviewers praising the performances

of Larson and the rest of the cast. Yeah, and ahead of its release, the film's want-to-see score, an audience anticipation poll on Rotten Tomatoes, had fallen to 28%. Oh, that's mean. The low number was due to review bombing by trolls who had attacked the movie on the site

with negative comments about the movie and about Larson's feminist messaging. Fuck you. I remember that. Nothing should work like this. This is crazy. Rotten Tomatoes changed their rules because of this movie. Oh, wow.

Because people were rating it like zero before it even came out. So now you can't rate a movie until after it's out because of this movie. I mean, so crazy. What's the point of doing that? Because people are mean, sad people. It's gross. because people are mean sad people i don't like it and i like it however a poll by cinema score after the film's release shows that the film holds an a rating among audiences so people actually do like it i gotta say i think i would really like it if they didn't try to shoehorn an empowering message to me that was like not shoehorned even hard

enough yeah that montage at the end of her like standing up over and over again i didn't feel like i was waiting for her to stand up like yeah she's been standing she'd been right been doing awesome the sort of the whole time right yeah she like starts off badass and then they try to tell us that she's not as badass as we think she is. And I was like, no, she's pretty cool. I know. And then she gets her new outfit at the end

and the little girl punches in like the color codes. So I'm like, how does she know how to do that? I know. I was wondering that too. Like she seems to know her way around this little wrist thing.

Why don't we make it red? And the girl goes, okay. I know. She's like playing like on a computer game. I was like, how does she know

to do this um but that was cute in her costume which that little girl by the way will come back in wandavision which aren't you guys watching she was a good actor there we go we are gonna watch some of it later we're okay and this i thought i remember so i had seen this movie when it came out and then this was my second time seeing it when i watched it for this and i remember thinking this at the time and then i re-watched it and i thought it again and i don't know if i'm supposed to or if it's in the comics or and i'm already teasing this way too much it's not a big deal um it are her and her best friend are they lovers are we meant to think that at all because their chemistry was incredible and it really felt romantic to me.

And I could be putting that on the movie. I would prefer that. Does anybody agree? I would like that. Yeah, I don't know. I'm into that. It would be way, way interesting, I would say. I think, I wasn't thinking it during it,

but I like that idea. I like it too. Cool. Let's like that idea. I like it too. Cool. Let's hope that happens. I want to see them make out. We all like it. If toys can do it, they can. I mean, I can't watch toys kiss.

All right. We have to take a quick break. We'll be right back with Mara and Captain Mar-Bell. We're back. Some trivia for you on this movie. Stan Lee passed away during the editing of the film. Marvel Studios put together the special opening logo to honor him. And I don't remember his cameo. In his cameo, Lee is reading the script.

Or on the train or whatever. She looks at him and they do a little knowing look. Yes. He is seen reading the script for Kevin Smith's 1995 film Mallrats and reciting the line, Trust me, true believer. As revealed on Smith's YouTube page, Stan's health was in decline and he could not muster his trademark enthusiasm for his line read.

Aw. So the producers looped in Lee's unused audio from that film. I'm sorry. If someone is not able to read a line, they shouldn't be on set. He... Well, yeah, like you're saying,

he's not healthy enough to function. Yes. It's unsafe. And we dragged him to a bus i'm sure that's not the last thing he wanted to do nicole was it paul sheer who told us the story about how they like they like woke him up stanley up to speak oh my god just a fan and he was like at some sort of convention or a show or something and stanley was sleeping in a room and then he's like well wake him up we'll have him say hi to you. He's like, no, I'd really prefer you don't do that. Those are just to meet like a random person. It's like, they don't know each other. He doesn't care.

Let him sleep. I know. Okay, so Samuel L. Jackson, he improvised peeking at the Skrull's junk beneath the sheet. I think that's a good improvised moment. Brie Larson is allergic to cats. So her scenes involving goose

were filmed with a puppet or vfx oh wow i feel like you they'd be like can you take a claritin like yeah i'm allergic to animals i have animals the cat did look fake pretty much the whole time yeah i was gonna say it was overwhelming on that yeah Yeah. It was fake cat. In the comics, Captain Marvel's cat is named Chewie after Chewbacca from Star Wars. And this film was named Goose after Goose Bradshaw from Top Gun. Yeah. Okay. I've seen Top Gun Maverick twice in the past week. Okay.

Everyone loves it. So good. Oh, I absolutely loved it. Sammy saw it twice as well. Wow. So all of the like, yeah, fighter pilot stuff. And I loved it. But I also had this point where Wow. So all of the like yeah, fighter pilot stuff and I loved it, but I also had this point where I was like, they're not actually flying. I've seen

what it looks like when actors actually fly in planes. It made it much less enjoyable. I was like Top Gun does it for real. Wait, so the actors, because we did talk about this I think, or maybe it was somewhere else, but that they had to learn how to fly, but they literally flew planes? I think there were the actors it was somewhere else, but that they had to learn how to fly, but they literally flew planes.

I think there were the actors. They did learn how to fly. I don't think they are while they are filming. I think. Except for Tom. Okay. Maybe Tom is. Tom is actually flying.

I believe he is. That's crazy. But there's no. He's like notorious for that. Tom does it for real. He does it for real. There's no green screen. I'm amazed by that. It just feels different.

You know, you can feel it. Well, for sure. It is on my list to watch both Top Guns. I haven't seen the old one either. Nicole, have you seen the old one? Sure haven't. I was going to go see the new one, but I was like,

I should go see the old one first. Yeah, I think so too. I feel like it'd be more fun to watch the new one if you know the old stuff. May I recommend seeing it in 4D? What's that? Where they like acted out as a play no it's there's a theater downtown i mean i guess there's 40 theaters everywhere but your whole seat shakes like like you're in like a roller coaster and it's like that honey i shrunk the kids ride where that's immediately what i thought of. Where they spray water at you.

There's a part where smoke goes off in the theater and lights flash. It's so funny. I laughed so hard. Sammy, I did that too. Oh my God. Oh my God, that's really fun. It was stressful, kind of, but fun. I mean, it does sound pretty stressful, but fun.

In a fun way. It's an immersive experience. Our last piece of trivia is when the captain marvel trailer dropped some fans express expressed their disapproval that larson doesn't smile in the trailer in response oh my posted a twitter users reimagined mcu posters that had the iconic marvel superheroes sporting an over-the-top smile this is creepy creepy. Oh boy, oh boy. Oh my God, it's so weird. Ew. People were also very mad

in the trailer. They showed the moment where she punches the old lady on the bus in the trailer, but just out of context. So people were like, wow, she's so mean. She punched an old lady.

Tara Rivers is a villain. It's pretty funny. Oh my God. That's so dumb. That's so annoying. Yeah, and also just telling a woman to smile is like

truly such a cliche it's like shut up I know at least be original yeah okay well it's time for our very important segment

is Chris in this? this is a moment where we ask if a Chris was in this film like Hemsworth etc well we had Chris Evans

in the mid credits post credits scene little tag yeah yeah that's the only Chris Evans in the mid credits post credits scene little tag yeah yeah that's the only Chris this is the point where we ask

Sammy and Emily if you can think of a Chris Christine Kristen etc that should have been in this film any sort of person whose name could be

Christy maybe I think Christoph Waltz would have made a great addition to the to the scrolls that's nice doing this

again normal accent just mixing up some accents in this scroll people that would have been helpful just to balance out the australian like it's anything throw throw christoph in there our second segment is is a kiss in this was there a kiss in this film uh we got close we got close with um talos and his his reuniting with his wife they they did they not kiss i don't think so they just pushed their faces closer they like did the forehead touch that's worse that's more intimate i know it's so serious and then when he whispered in her ear like baby baby it's good. Baby, don't worry. Baby, it's good. She's chill. She's chill. I hated that.

I don't think I wanted to see any romance in it. Maybe I wanted to see Captain Marvel fuck that motorcycle man and then steal his shit. Yeah, I think maybe with the female superhero, like, I guess it was good that we didn't see her get, like,ny yeah she's figuring everything out it's kind of like there's no room there's no time i don't know i mean there's always time but you know there's always time these movies are two hours long you can take five minutes and show me some smooches yeah i mean like she and jula could have made out it wouldn't have made any sense. Or her and Maria. Yeah, right. Now we say we were all waiting for her. I rewrite history.

So this is our segment, Five Stark Industries, where we read five-star reviews of our own podcast. Oh my god, this one says five stars. Oh boy, this podcast does the incredible job of making me think I like movies that I never liked and that I hate movies I thought I loved.

Five stars. Wow. Interesting. So this person's trying to grow. I love it. Yeah. I feel like that's true for us. I'm kind of surprised we didn't end up liking this one more because we often, as we talk about it, go like, well, I guess it was pretty good.

After talking about it, this is one of the only movies where I was like, I don't ever want to see it again. Yeah. But I am excited to see Captain Marvel in Endgame because I'm really excited to see Endgame because I got to see how all these dusty people come back to life. But I got to say, so she was a mate of my very good friend, kind of ruined the movie for me. She told me something. She told me a big old spoiler. Oh, no. And then after she said it, I was like, wait wait that didn't happen in infinity war she went oh no oh see i will say that little post-credit scene i didn't i also did not um really enjoy this movie but then i saw the post-credit

scene and it did make me think well i want to know what they're all talking about like it made it made me feel like i was miss literally missing out on something. Yeah. That's how they get you excited for Endgame. These little post credit scenes leave you wanting more. I know. I'm a sucker for them as well. It worked. It's like a good little cheesecake. You're like can I have another nibble? So

in addition to Apple reviews of Newcomers we're also going to be reading reviews of Letterboxd and if you don't know what that is how dare you? So here's of Letterboxd and if you don't know what that is, how dare you? So here's a Letterboxd review by Fran. Haven't felt this empowered since I watched

the breakaway scene from The Princess Diaries to Royal Engagement 2004. Wow. And then we got three stars from Allure. Samuel L. Jackson's Nick Fury and his cat Goose

kind of carried the whole thing, not going to lie. It's pretty funny. All right. Well, what would you two say is a one sentence review and star rating you would give this film?

I would say I liked it slightly more upon a second viewing, but won't be watching it a third time. I'd give it three stars. Okay. Fair. Good movie to have watched.

Not so fun to watch. Two stars. Ooh, okay. Lauren? I'm going to say, I wish Goose would barf up the whole movie. Generally, too confusing,

too long, too... not horny, I guess. At that point, it's like, if we're going to go this long and I'm going to be so confused, I do wish there was a kiss. I will say two stars.

I feel like that might be my lowest review that I've given. Yeah, I'm going to say three stars because I really liked Brie Larson in The Room. Well, for sure. We can't even comprehend her other works. You're just saying you liked her in something else? Yeah, of course.

I just feel so bad giving it a low rating because I really like Brie Larson. Well, me too. To me, this has nothing to do with that. OK, but I guess two, two and three fourth stars, a little confusing, not as empowering as I thought it was going to be. I did like her flying around and stuff. I like Samuel L. Jackson and then I like the old lady fight. Okay. All right.

Great. So you guys out there should write us a review on Apple Podcasts. We read one on each episode. And we also ask that you rate the podcast on Spotify because it helps people find us. And I guess it's just good. Yes. It's nice. Sammy, Emily, do you guys have anything that you would like to premiere?

Just our podcast, Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Available wherever you get your podcasts. We recap horror movies. It's fun. It's fun. We like more fun than this movie was. Good. Well, that's great.

Well, we will be back next week with Avengers Endgame. And I'm so excited to see how everybody's dusty and then not dusty, maybe. True. I am curious about what happened with all the half people who are gone. Right? Yeah. Very, very curious. I need answers.

Because I know Tom Holland. He's got to come back. Right. How's that going to work? I don't know. All right. Well, we'll see. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. right how's that gonna work i don't know all right we'll see bye bye Thank you. that was a

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