Newcomers: Scorsese, with Nicole Byer and Lauren Lapkus - Rudy (w/ Emily Hampshire)

Episode Date: July 16, 2024

Lauren and Nicole are joined by very special guest Emily Hampshire (Schitt’s Creek) to debrief the classic football film, Rudy. No conversational stone is left unturned, from Rudy’s older brother stealing his girlfriend (rude!) to Rudy having the impulse to read every single rejection letter out loud (funny!). Who do Lauren and Nicole think should play Rudy in the imaginary 2024 remake? The answer may surprise you. Follow Emily: Instagram, TwitterJoin us next week for our episode covering A League of Their Own! Like the show? Rate Newcomers 5 stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Nicole and Lauren to read on the pod!Follow the podcast on Letterboxd.Advertise on Newcomers via Gumball.fmSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a HITGUM original. Ready, set, hut! After high school, I'm going to play football at Notre Dame. Chasing a stupid dream causes nothing but you and everyone around you heartache. Ever since I was a kid, I wanted to go to school here. And ever since I was a kid, everybody said it couldn't be done. I always listened to them and believed what they said. I don't want to do that anymore.

Hey, kid! Not supposed to be here. Not everyone is meant to go to college. I need your help. Why should I help? I just want to be a part of this university. You're nuts. You know, a lot of people have been telling me that lately.

Sometimes a winner is a dreamer who just won't quit Hey you guys, my son's going to do a game I'm here to play football for the Irish I wish God would put your heart in some of my players bodies You're five feet nothing a hundred You got hardly a speck of athletic ability in this lifetime. You don't have to prove nothing to nobody except yourself True story A true story from the creators of Hoosiers. You ready, champ?

I've been ready for this my whole life. Welcome to Newcomers, playing for the home team. It's me, Nicole Byer. And me, Lauren Lapkus. And of course, we have Coach Allie watching along from the sidelines. This season, we'll be covering 10 of the sports movies that we feel like are cultural touchdowns and have clinched that championship ring. Today, we're gonna be watching the iconic football film

starring Sean Astin, 1993's Rudy. Okay. I can't believe it was earlier than 93. It seems so much earlier. I thought it was like 85. I can't believe it was made. And guess what?

If you want to watch Rudy, it's available for a fee on any of the major streamers. And we're going to spoil, we're going to spoil it. We're going to spoil Rudy, this movie from 1993. So get ready. Get ready. We are so excited for our guest. Playing for the visiting team today, we're so excited to have Emily Hampshire. Emily's an actor known for her roles in television shows like Schitt's Creek, The Rig, Twelve Monkeys, and Chapelweight. Did I say that

right? She also portrayed Angelina in the 1998 film Boy Meets Girl opposite Rudy's own Sean Astin. Holy shit. Welcome, Allie, we're so excited. Whoa, I didn't know you had that scoop. I thought I was gonna surprise you with that scoop. You guys have Wikipedia, don't you? Allie's amazing, she gets all the info.

That's crazy. Ali's amazing. She gets all the info. That's crazy. That's amazing. Yeah, and that was after I, like, so you guys randomly, I would assume randomly, picked Rudy, like, me to come on here with Rudy. And that was, I loved that movie. I was obsessed with Sean Astin.

And then I got to work with him and he didn't know how, because I pretended I wasn't. But guys, I found all my little... This was back in the day of Polaroids. These are amazing pictures. That one's very funny if you look at the feet. What are you wearing? If you look at the feet.

I took off my shoes. To be shorter. Hey, I understand that. I'm always leaning to the left with everyone. Rudy. Oh my God, Rudy. Okay. Well, what is your relationship to the sport of football? Do you have any connection to football? My connection to football is I like football.

I like football. I like football. I like football. I like football. I like football. I like football. I like football. I like football.

I like football. I like football. I like football. I like football. I like football. I like football. I like football? Do you have any connection to football? My connection to football is I like the costumes that they wear. But whenever I've said I like the costumes, people like the uniforms, so I clearly don't know anything about football.

I touch down. That's about it. You're Canadian? Yeah. So you have, that's also, there's about it. You're Canadian. Yeah. So you have, that's also, there's no football. I mean, I think we might have football. There's no football in Canada. I don't know.

I wouldn't say there's, I wouldn't say there's no football, but I would say that is not, our national sport is like hockey. You don't have NFL. Yeah. Yeah, you know what? I know so much about football that I don like. You don't have NFL. Yeah. Yeah. You know what?

I know so much about football that I don't even know if we have NFL. I love that. Okay. How funny. Wait, Lauren, what's your relationship to football? Really none. I basically remember playing football in like fifth grade at school,

like where you had flag football, is that where? Where you have like words hanging off you to grab it? That's it. I don't know. I think football is a little like, I mean, my family watched it growing up. I'm from Chicago. The Bears were a big part of my growing up. Like I was always, football was on,

but I wouldn't say my family's more of a basketball family. So it really wasn't like a huge thing. And I maybe, maybe, I don't think I ever went to a game. I am, my brother played a little bit in middle school or something. Yeah, not much. It's confusing. Yeah. Yeah.

It's so confusing. I agree. There's a lot about it I don't understand. And this movie, I wouldn't say it helped. No, it didn't help at all. They don't explain football. All you know is that he wants to play. And it's basically the only thing this guy thinks about.

And we, I can't wait to talk about this. What we know what before we do, let's do our segment called the shot clock. Now each of us are going to have 10 seconds on the clock to summarize the film. Ali is going to count us down and start the clock and you'll hear a buzzer when you run out of time. Okay. So who wants to go first?

I'll go first. Okay, great. All right. And I'm just going to audibly be wants to go first? I'll go first. Okay, great. All right, and I'm just gonna audibly be the buzzer, but I'll hold it up. All right, three, two, one, go. Okay, a little man who loves football so much and he only thinks about football, he leaves a whole ass girl for football,

and then he's like, I'm gonna go to Notre Dame, and doesn't even like have the grace to go to Notre Dame, and then he plays football and they carry him. They carry him. They carry him. Okay. Okay. Emily, Emily, you want to try your hand at this? Okay.

Okay. Three, two, one, go. Little guy dreams big, wants football, blows up his best friend, Favreau. Blows up his best friend. Almost forgot about that. He blasts off.

It's one of the best moments. Okay, my turn. Ready, three, two, one. Okay. Too small to play, not on my watch. He's gonna go to the big leagues. He's never played, he's like, Notre Dame, Notre Dame, Notre Dame, Notre Dame!

I'm like, what? That's good, I failed to mention Notre Dame, which was like the main, yeah. It's kind of, oh my god, it was like every other word. When you said not on my watch, I almost passed away. Oh, my God. This movie. Wow. Well, OK, before we jump in, I would I also want to ask you because you were on Celebrity Jeopardy and that's my dream.

I keep talking about it everywhere I go in case maybe one day it can happen for me. But how was that? Were you nervous? OK, so I was so excited. I studied for like a month. I read all the books on it. I started practicing with like a pen for the buzzer because people talked about the buzzer. Now I'm Canadian, and so I don't really know. I didn't learn American stuff, but studied really hard.

And I actually believed that I could be a champion. Like I really believed it. You know what, that's okay. Have you seen white men can't jump? I haven't. You're Rosie Perez. Oh really? Oh God.

You are Rosie Perez who studies. Did Rosie Perez become the second worst contestant in all of Jeopardy history? Because I did. Wait, how do you know they told you that? They told you you're the second worst? So in the end, we had to, it's for charity, right? In the end, they had to give me money

to keep me in the game. They gave me $500 to keep me in the game. And then, I mean, there was some, like it was awful. It's way harder when you're there, I'll just say that much. For sure, for sure. Stuff like then after people were online saying how terrible I was, and I like, I was, I got things really, really wrong.

Like one of the questions was like, what's on the back of a quarter, what animal? And I didn't. But you don't use quarter. I mean, you do. I mean, you do now, but you grew up not, you know. How much are you looking at change? I don't know what's on the back of a quarter.

An eagle. I set up Beaver, I think. That's pretty funny. Which is not correct. But then people were like, she didn't even know that Antarctica was a continent. And I'm like, bitch, I didn't even know what a continent is. So I just, it was, yeah, it was an experience. I love it. I highly recommend it for anyone.

Did they let you go to the final question? Oh yeah. Yeah, no, that's what they gave me, Did they let you go to the final question? Or no? Yeah, no, that's what they gave me, the charity $500 to stay in the game. Yeah. I love it. I love it. The pressure is so different when you're on. It's so fast.

When you're at home, and you know, there's also the risk, like when I'm watching at home, of course I'm throwing out guesses all the time. It's scary to guess with the buzzer and be wrong. Like that's, you wanna feel like you're right, but then you're wasting too much time wondering if you're right. And then, I don't know.

I also think being Canadian is harder because a lot of the questions are about the presidents, like things that I feel like I don't even know from here, but like, yeah, you wouldn't have been learning that at school. So. No, but I learned all the presidents in a rap. And then what I realized,

when I needed to get that question, I didn't have time, I had to rap to get to the answer in my head. You have time now, and I'd really like to hear that rap. No. Can you do any of it? I don't know. Just a little.

No, it's on my Instagram. I did it. Okay. I'll go watch that. It was so traumatizing, I know it's on my Instagram. I did I did okay Yeah, I'll go watch that Okay traumatizing I blocked it out, but I did really had it good. Yeah, I need to study that just in general I always want to learn the president's because I feel like I should know this stuff and a rap would be the only way that's yeah Yeah, George Washington was called the father of the nation. John Adams, he was registered to something like that. I loved it.

Thank you for that little snippet. I did a show called, Are You Smarter Than A Celebrity? And it was humiliating. Celebrity? Yes, so it was like, it was me and a bunch of celebrities and the questions they asked, they did math questions where I was like, oh no. And then you try to show your work and then you get lost

and then it was just so hard and I felt so dumb. Are you smarter than that? Well I should have been in it because I wasn't on that show. Because had I been on that show you would have felt so smart. I don't know. I think we all would have felt dumb.

It hasn't come out yet. It was announced so I can talk about it. Oh my God. I'm gonna watch every fucking episode of that. That is so- Well, posted by Travis Kelsey, and he was so delightful. He didn't know a bunch of stuff either. Like, I'd be like, after we finished, I'd be like,

did you know that? He was like, no. Oh my God. Are you in more than one episode, or is it like kind of a thing where you have to keep coming back? I think I'm in five or 10, and I think there's 20 altogether.

So I'm in like half of them. That's intense. Cause if you don't run punches, Lala, Lala Kent, this guy named Ryan Fitzpatrick, who's a football player. And he knew everything. Oh wow. He went to Harvard. Okay.

That's, see that's wild. Were you allowed to use calculators? No, we just. Cause they didn't say that. No. We just had like little workspaces where we had to write things. Your teachers say like,

you won't have a calculator everywhere you go and like. When you're older. Yeah, now we do, bitch. We do. Um, football player who went to Harvard is the perfect segue to bring us back to Rudy, the football player who went to Harvard is the perfect segue to bring us back to Rudy, the football player who went to Notre Dame. So let's take a quick break.

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October 15th, 1993. It was written by Angelo, I almost just said pizza. Pizzo, Pizzo? Pizzo, Pizzo, directed by David Anzpaugh. It's spelled phonetically for me and I still think I fucked it up. Okay, this is a perfect movie for the fall because it's very fall looking in the Midwest in this film. I am from Illinois.

I felt immediately connected to the scenery. Let's jump into the plot. Of course, chime in anywhere you want to discuss these moments, because this movie, you know what, I've heard about this movie my entire life. Same. Do you have to feel this way? It's like, everyone's always like referencing this. It's sort of like, you know,

I know that something big happens in the game. Like my whole life I've been like, he does a thing in a game. The fact, we don't get to that game. Like we don't get to him playing football. For a long time. For a long time. And boy does he want that.

And then the football is so sad. It's so, it's crazy. Also, I was watching this movie and I was like, is the water boy a parody of this? I Googled that and it didn't seem to connect. Yeah. But maybe it was never said. But it feels such like a parody. I love this. I Googled that and it didn't seem to connect, but maybe it was never said. But it feels such like a parody,

because he's like, all he wants to do is play foosball. And all Rudy wants to do is play foosball at Notre Dame. It's so weird watching it this many years later, because when I first saw it, I was a kid and I loved it. And watching it now, I'm like, what did I love about it? Because it's like kind of it's not bad. It's just the same thing over like he but he wants to go to another name. He wants to go.

That's it. He doesn't he doesn't go off the path at all. He doesn't like ever stop talking about it. He never has like another thing he's interested in. He even has a girlfriend and all she hears about is Notre Dame. I'm like, yeah. And she wants to buy a house and he's like, no. And then he just leaves her.

I know. But he doesn't even care. And then when he comes back, he's like upset that his brother's with his girlfriend, but like he just left her. But also I was like, why would you do that? That's so, let's get into the- That's kind of fucked up.

Okay, okay. So in the late 1960s, we're in Joliet, Illinois. Daniel Eugene Rudy Rudeger. I mean, what? Okay, so it is a real person, right? That's a real person? Yes, yeah. Okay, it's not a real person.

Yeah, if your last name is Rudeger and you name your son Rudy, you don't like them. No, it's not his name. No, it's his nickname name. It's his nickname. Nickname. Nickname. You guys, that's how I failed Jeopardy. Oh my God, I thought the whole movie,

I'm like, I can't believe his name is Rudy Breaker. Well, every name in this is really crazy because we also have D-Bob later, which we'll get to. D-Bob, I truly was, I had to rewind it to be like, are they calling this man D-Bob? I had the captions that I was like, are they calling this man D Bob? I had the captions and I was like D Bob. Okay. So Sean Aston, who is, you know, we've known from Lord of the Rings. It's our good friend from Lord of the Rings. We did a whole season on that, Emily. He dreams of playing football at Notre Dame. That's, we could stop talking

there. However, he lacks the grades and money to attend and the talent and the physical stature to play major college football. He has nothing going for him. Following high school, Rudy works at a steel mill. Wait, hold on. This teacher in his high school is abusive. This man is so mean to him.

He's like, you fucking idiot. And then he's like, you can't get on a bus. You're a dumb ass. And I was like, I would just get on the bus. I would be like, you're not the boss of me. I'm getting on this fucking bus. What are you going to, sightseeing? Do you have friends at Notre Dame?

You'll never get into Notre Dame. I know. I couldn't believe it. So, okay. He works at a steel mill with his father, Ned Beatty. Ned Beatty, Ned Beatty. That's how you say that, right? A Notre Dame fan and his older brother, Frank.

And his dad loves watching football on his little black and white TV. And Rudy's always like, I'm gonna play. And everyone's like, shut up. You're not gonna do anything. You fucking dumb ass. You little idiot. His best friend, Pete, Christopher Reed,

that character was annoying me. No, no, I love that character. That character loved Rudy in a way that nobody else did. Everyone was so mean to Rudy. And he finds him. When they're at the steel mill and he gives, he's like, I got a birthday present for you. He's like, what day is it?

August 23rd. You know what that means? It's my birthday. And he goes like, he's like, I got you a present and he pulls it out. And his reaction to this jacket is like, he's like, he's fine. Like I'm just like.

You don't know how to ever repay you. Oh. This is amazing. And then he pulls him up. Yeah, oh yeah, no. It is brutal. He blows him up. Yeah, oh yeah, it is brutal. He blows him up. Also their little fingies are dirty.

He's like, this jacket's so wonderful. Wow. And he puts it on, he's like, wow. Where did you get it from? He's like, I just saw it in the window and I thought of you, Rudy. And then you had to have it. I'm like, you probably spent all his money on that.

And he also talks about with his friend that he's saved a thousand dollars. Like the friend was like, he's like, I've saved money. He's like, how much? $8? $8? $1? $1,000?

$50? He's like, wow, you could really do a lot with that. Okay. So yeah. So then they're working in this steel mill and then there's this chaos. I didn't really understand what their job was. I don't really get what a steel mill.

There was hotness. There's pipes, it's a lot of smoke. Pressure. Pete's like, I need the water. And then he's like, the water's not coming. He's like, I need it. And he's like, get away, get away. And he won't get away from the thing,

which is like, if you're working in like the most explosive place ever, I feel like anytime you have an opportunity to leave, you probably should just go away from whatever's about to happen. I'll tell you something. I'm not dying for any job. If something is going wrong, I'm not trying to fix it.

I'm gonna say, not for me, somebody else gotta get in here. I'm not, no. I pretty much agree with you. I feel that nobody should have been standing there at that time. It obviously was, if they know anything about their job, which I don't, it seems like if you can't get the water down, it's gonna explode, okay?

He blows up and flies down. It was kind of funny. It was. I totally forgot about that in the movie. And it was so weird because all I remembered about Rudy was, oh, Rudy! And then his friends get set on fire. Blew up and tossed.

It was like a horizontal toss. It was wild. So then Rudy's really sad and he goes to the funeral and then he decides to follow his dream and leave town. He says goodbye to his family and his girlfriend, Sherri, who's Lily Taylor, who is, I love her. I love Lily Taylor too. Fantastic.

She's like wasted in this movie. Yes, she is. She's like trying to buy the house. He's like, no. I just don't understand him being like, I'm leaving pussy to go not play football, to go pretend that I'm gonna go play football. The presumption that this character has is out of control.

He has no skills, right? No, no skill. Do you think this is why men are so blindly confident in things? They all watched Rudy and they were like, if Rudy can do it, I can do it. If Rudy can do it, anyone can. And he'd do anything. But yeah, you know what, it is such a male story. And I mean, not to be like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not good.

And he's like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not good.

And he's like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not good.

And he's like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not good. And he's like, he's not playing. He's not a player. He basically just goes, please let me because I wanna like impress my dad.

And like, I just also, and also I really need this or whatever. Like personally. And then all the other players like lift them up and bring them on the field. And they're like, I want Rudy to take my place. But why? Cause he's not mad at it.

Cause they want to rule the game. They feel bad. We gotta wait, we gotta get there. Okay. Cause there's so much more. There's so much more build. So much more. No, there's so much more. There's so much more built. So much more. There's so much more buildup of wanting this.

Yeah. So in 1972, Rudy visits Notre Dame in the middle of the night. It's like 3 a.m. This is crazy. The guard is like, there's no one in admissions. He's like, please, there's gotta be somebody. And he's like, it's not open. He's like, please. And he's like, go see a priest. But we find out he's not- And it doesn't look like the priest.

And the priest, by the way, the priest is also the person who told him to go do this. In Home Alone. Oh, oh, yeah. These priests are very, especially this one that he goes to talk to right now, he's really like a guy. He's like a guy from,

I don't know, he's like not priestly to me. He's very much like a football watching kind of guy. Doesn't he feel that way? But he, so the priest told him to just go to Notre Dame and just go. And then he's over there at 3 a.m. The guy's like, there's nobody to talk to. He's like, there must be someone I can speak with, please.

Just let me, he wants to talk to the admissions officer in the middle of the night. At like 3 a.m. It's crazy. And then he doesn't know how college works. It's so wild. But then they were like, you're too dumb to get in. And then with the help of a local priest

and former Notre Dame president, Father John Kavanaugh, Robert Proski, Rudy enrolls at nearby Holy Cross College with hopes to transfer. He approaches fortune Charles S. Dutton, head groundskeeper. This is so wild to me at the Notre Dame Stadium and is given a job. He literally can, Charles S. Dutton, head groundskeeper. This is so wild to me, at the Notre Dame Stadium and is given a job. He literally can't do anything and he's like, stop annoying me, stop being on this field.

He's like, give me a job then? And he's like, okay. So he's homeless. Everyone gives into what Rudy wants. Yes, it's so nuts. Rudy gets what he wants. Rudy's homeless and he sneaks into Fortune's office through a window to sleep on a cot.

And I love that he's like, so why do you sleep on this cot? And he's like, no, it's for my sciatica. And he's like, cool, I'll sleep here. I know he's like, I have it for my sciatica. Yeah. And then Rudy sees his opportunities. Like, I'll be using this later. Yes.

Yeah. I'm going to sleep here. So Fortune later leaves Rudy with blankets and a key to the office. I love when Rudy's like, thanks for the key and the blanket. He's like, I don't know nothing about that. He's like, but there's a key and a blanket? I said, I didn't know nothing about that. Oh, Rudy's so stupid.

I know, he's not hip to what's going on at all. Rudy learns that Fortune, despite working at the stadium for years, has never seen a Notre Dame football game. Now that seems impossible. Well, you get the little surprise. You got to watch that Rudy. We do get to our surprise.

Okay, so Rudy befriends teaching, oh, I didn't realize he was a teaching assistant. So he's like a little older, or no, do not be older for that. A little, well, I think they're the same age, because remember Rudy is 22 years old. That's another problem. Oh my gosh. Yeah, cause when he's working at the Steel Mill and he said he's 22, I think they're the same age because remember Rudy is 22 years old. That's another problem. Yeah, because when he's working at the steel mill, he says he's 22.

I was like, no, I know when he says he's 22 ago. Oh, the dream's over. How is he going to figure this out? I mean, you missed it. Twenty two years old. I missed that part. Yeah, because I thought he was even like dumb for 17. Right. But no, he's 22. So he befriends D-Bob, okay? A name that's not explained, John Favreau.

And I was excited it was John Favreau, who helps him study in return for Rudy's helping him socially with girls. Now why is D-Bob? But this is so wild. Why does D-Bob look at this man and go, he can help me get girls? He's the one.

You know what it was? He sees him talking to a cute girl, and then he goes like, oh, he must get girls all the time. And it's like the jump took, like the leap to that is just crazy. But like, he's like, you gotta help me. And then Rudy's like, I don't know any girls.

And then D-Bob was like, then I can't help you. And then Rudy's like, I know girls, I know girls. And he just like makes it happen. He's so wild. He's ridiculous. So D-Bob tests Rudy for a learning disability. Okay. Which is nice.

That's the only nice thing anyone's ever done for him to be like, hey buddy, there's a reason for all this. I know. Yeah, you're clinically- The results indicate. No. The results indicate that Rudy suffers from dyslexia, which he then overcomes to become a better student.

So that's why he was getting poor grades. He didn't know he was dyslexic. So that was helpful, D-Bob. And D-Bob is like, he literally can't speak. Like, Rudy goes and talks to a girl for him. And he's like, he's like, go wave at my friend. And D-Bob's like, hi. It's like, he's actually, friend. And Deba was like, hi. I was like, he's actually,

when you see him get a girlfriend later, he's like so suave with her. Yes. That it's like hilarious. I think it's supposed to be comedy, but I don't know. Okay. I think it's supposed to be comedy. Okay.

That's when you know. So at Christmas, Rudy returns home to find that his family appreciates his college academic achievements. Although his brother Frank still mocks him for his attempt to play college football, even losing his girlfriend to his older brother Johnny, does not deter Rudy, he just goes for a run. This is what kills me.

This is what kills me. Because I'm like, okay, first of all, his family, his brother's still shitting on him, which he should. I mean, at this point you're going like, you're still talking about this? Like, it would be annoying. And you know he's not good at football, so you're like, whatever.

But then to date his girlfriend, and to have it be a surprise. All of that was wacko. And I was like, and then Rudy doesn't even say anything. I'm like, this could be a plot. You could talk about this. No, I'm just gonna keep talking about Notre Dame. We could have a B storyline, you know?

And they said, we won't. Like you're in love with her or something? We won't. No, yeah. He doesn't feel anything about Sherry, I feel like. But the music does a lot of the feeling for you. The music tells you you're supposed to feel this way at that certain time, which confused me

because I felt like he didn't. That's true. It's like the editor was like, we need to feel something here because Rudy clearly doesn't care. He just cares about football. He only, he, this is the most one-track mind person I've ever seen in a film. Not just football. It's actually, he doesn't even care about football, actually. He just wants to be Notre Dame. Notre Dame. Yeah. cares about Notre Dame.

Yeah. It is so specific. And that's also part, I mean, it's part of what makes it come true. It's kind of like a vision board. It's like, if you're really specific about your dream, it's more likely to happen. But he might've had more success

if he just let it be a little more open-ended, because maybe he would've gotten to play football somewhere else. Yeah, maybe the NFL. Yeah, he could've done it. You don't have to have good grades to make that happen. All right. Well, so he has this part.

I couldn't believe how long this went on. So after two years at Holy Cross and three rejections from Notre Dame. Oh God, every rejection beating that mail. I'm like, it's a small letter. First of all, usually that means you didn't get in. If it's just a piece of paper and not an envelope of information, like a big, you know, eight by 10.

Yeah, like instructions on what to do. Yeah. Yeah. So he's like, he's like, he's like, he reads it out loud every time too. Which he's like, reading. Which is very funny. Well, he's just practicing. He's practicing his reading skills.

Yeah. He's like, Mr. Rutiger, you did not get into Notre Dame. Oh, and then he gets upset. And he's like a little more upset every time. He keeps trying so hard. And on the third one or the fourth one, he's finally admitted and he cries so hard. I almost cried because I just,

I felt something in that moment, but I also almost laughed because it was really ridiculous. It was so silly boo hoo hooing on your fourth attempt. Okay. He was like reading it out loud and he's like, you're acceptable. God! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. That was so great. So, so he's a minute, so that's just step one. Or I guess it's step 20, but he finally,

he gets into Notre Dame, but he wants to get on the team. By the way, before he even does this, when he's not even a student there, he tricks that girl into letting him go spray paint the football helmets of the players at Notre Dame. Oh yeah, and she kept asking, do you go to Notre Dame? And he's like, not yet.

And she's like, then you can't be a part of that booster club. And he's like, please, please. Guess what? Women are the only people who don't give him what he wants. It's so true. The girlfriend, that girl, oh my God. Even when he was following her to get her to like, talk to him about how cool it was

that they were gonna spray paint the football. Mary, Mary, Mary, Mary, Mary. She followed her for so long. She was gone. Yes, gone. The shot was like a one shot where he's walking through all these different areas. I'm like, she left, sweetie pie.

Like she's not, she can't hear you and she doesn't want to hear you. She doesn't want to hear you. And he's not trying that hard. He could have caught up to her, but he's just this perfect distance away from her for like a Russian arc length of one shot. It's so true.

He's like, Mary, Mary, Mary. I'm like, that's a loud space. Like, she can't hear you. So he's finally admitted to the school and he attends football tryouts in the hope of making the team as a walk-on. Which is so funny because like, I was just like, oh wait. So he has to like just hopefully get in that way

when they've already picked the team. Right. All right. Cause it took him so long. He's so late. So assistant coach Joe Yonto warned the walk-ons that 35 scholarship players will not even make the dress roster of players who take the field during games.

I don't know what that means. I think you don't get to wear the uniform. You don't get to dress up in the costume. Yeah, you don't get to wear the costume. You have to wear your street clothes. And he notices Rudy's determination. He gives him a spot. The other coach does not want this.

He's like, no, he sucks. He's little and dumb, no. This guy's like, I just want it. This is the way life works though, that you just like, I want it. I want it. I want it. I want it.

And then like people, okay, you can be the CEO of the company. It would be so nice. Crazy. I want it, I want it. And then like people, okay, you can be the CEO of the company. So nice. It's crazy. And honestly, they were like, the boy with the blood on the uniform, let's give him a spot.

And I was like, you were literally pointing out that he is wrecked. He's doing worse. They battered this man. He's not doing good. No, but he gives him a spot on the daily practice squad and Rudy persuades Fortune to promise to see Rudy's first game.

Please come to my game. And I love that Fortune's like, fine, I'll do it, I'll never have to go. Yeah, he's like, it's a promise I don't have to keep. Yeah, so Rudy convinces head coach Ara Parascavabla. Par-shee-ian. It was not like Parmesan when he said it, but. Par-mah-gee-ian. to let him suit up for one home game in his senior year. Parmigian retires following the 1974 season

and is replaced by former Green Bay Packers head coach, Dan Devine, who refuses to put Rudy on the game day roster. Frustrated by not being on the dress list for the last home game, Rudy quits the team! Which I was like, after all that, I'm gonna be the first to be on the team. I'm gonna be the first to Rudy on the game day roster. Frustrated by not being on the dress list for the last home game, Rudy quits the team. Which I was like after all of this. I'm like, he being on the team, you don't know.

Let's see what happens. I felt like, so the coach who was really nice to him leaves and then the one who knows things and was coaching the Green Bay Packers is like, you're not gonna play? There's a level I'm trying to get to here. And he's like so upset he quit. It's just like so babyish. And I don't get why the rest of the team though, when he comes back is like

doing that slow clap for somebody who quit the team when they weren't even wanted on the team. They like wind their way into the team. Yeah. oh wait, and then this recap doesn't add, Vince Vaughn, I think I'm going back, was like mean to him, and then they were like, you don't have the heart Rudy has. You could have been a better player if you had Rudy's heart. And I was like, what?

I know, I know, everyone's like weirdly nice. Even when those football players were like, it seemed that they were gonna beat him up in the parking lot. And then he was like, he like kind of said something, they're like, okay, I see your point. I'm like, why does everyone- He was like, have heart like me.

And they were like, I guess we should. And I was like, what? Also, Vince Vaughn. Vince Vaughn, that's what I was gonna say. Whoa. Yeah. So, whoa. I paused and I was like, is that being spawned?

I Googled, I'm all over the place. Yeah, I Googled, yeah, it's fun. I was like, what a babe. Very handsome man. Like in such a like, I don't know, like tall, dark and mysterious way. I was like, wow. He's super hot.

And he, that's where he met Jon Favreau and that's how they ended up doing swingers together. Which I was like, how funny. they had no days together on set. I don't think they had a single scene together. I thought that they were friends before and that Jon Favreau got him the job on that. Oh, maybe that's true. I Googled it and it said they met there, but that could have just been because I Googled, did they meet on a Rudy or something? You know, who knows? Maybe there's something.

You led the witness. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God. Also, Jon Favreau, kind of a cutie. He's cute too. That's also why it was silly that he could never get a girl. I was like, he's just a cute normal guy. I don't know.

And also, Jon Aston, also a cutie. A little, like a little compacted cutie. And I like the way he walks. Cause he's in like the Michael J. Fox category. Yes, yes. Lawrence, yes. Kind the Michael J Fox category. Yes, yes. Lawrence, yes. Kind of raspy, yeah. Yes, oof.

Okay. So Fortune finds a distraught Rudy and reveals that he had actually played for Notre Dame years earlier. So this was the part where I was like, is it never saw a game? Then you're like, he actually played. He's better than you, Rudy.

Yeah. You think, oh, he's gonna come to my game. No, he's played. So Fortune quit the team because he felt his skin color kept him from playing. He's regretted this decision ever since. And it reminded me- Okay, but here's the thing.

Here's the thing. I was like, wait a minute, what are we doing? Most of the NFL is black. His eyes, that's what I was looking at. Story, are we trying to tell? But would it be because at Notre Dame, it's like super like Irish or something, or I don't know, is that even accurate?

I will, I do think racism exists. I feel like in sports, people are like, I may not like a black guy, but I wanna win. I'll put him in there. Like that's what they kind of feel like. And I was like, I don't know, that feels so insane that that's what he went with. Is he quit?

Yeah, I mean, I'm curious if is Fortune a real person? Ooh, I don't know. How did they know that? Oh, he is? Fortune is real and that's his real. I don't know if that's his real name, but there was a Fortune figure. It can't be, because he's a magical Negro

and his name is Fortune. I did cross my mind that I couldn't believe his name was Fortune. I was like, this is insane. Okay, so reminded that he has nothing to prove to anyone but himself and will forever regret quitting because Fortune told him. Rudy returns to the team.

Each of his fellow seniors, led by team captain and All-American Roland Steele, lines up to lay their jerseys on Divine's desk. Each player requests that Rudy be allowed to dress in his place for the season's final game. Divine lets Rudy suit up against Georgia Tech. So I really did love when the when Ronald or whatever was like, I want Rudy to wear my uniform. He's like, what are you talking about? What is the best player we have? You're a captain. What are you doing? Don't do that.

Like whoever's the worst should give up their spot. Yeah. Yeah. And then they all give up their spot. Yeah, so it's just Rudy playing alone. Yeah. Wearing 12 uniforms. Wait, Lauren, that would be so funny.

That would be amazing. He's just, he's just like a Jersey. Like you can't see anything else. He layered all the Jerseys and he's like, I'm everyone. I'm everyone and I'm gonna win. Some of those actors seem like maybe they were real football players

because they were like, I want Rudy to do it. Like they didn't know how to act. Yeah. Rudy could do it. Thank you. So Rudy goes home and he's like, I am gonna play, don't worry. Or did he make a phone call, something?

Oh yeah, that phone call was kind of crazy to me because it's like this entitlement of like, you have to come see me play, I'm gonna, like you have to come see, it's all about him being like seen on the football field, it's not about the love of the game, it's not about, anyway. I know, he just wants to come out of that tunnel. It's never about him being seen on the football field. It's not about the love of the game. It's not about, anyway. He just wants to come out of that tunnel. It's never about playing.

He wants his dad to see him. Yeah, it's about his dad. I think when I have heard of this movie, I always thought he catches the winning pass or whatever the thing is. He makes the final touchdown. He doesn't actually play well. No, and at one point he's on the field and goes,

what do I do? I laugh so hard. I was like, wait, so after all these years, he doesn't know what to do? Oh, oh, I forgot to talk about how when he is with Fortune and he gets up and makes that speech. Oh, yeah, the speech he made when he was a kid. He's like, get out there, teen.

He's so, he's like crazy. He like stands up on the soap box. He's like, get out there guys and show them what you got. And like Fortune's watching him like, God, this kid's dumb. He's like, he's like, you could do it. And when we go back, we'll make all the touchdowns and we'll always do it.

And we'll always do all the touchdowns. I'm like, just what, you're delusional. Stop. You're being weird. But it's better at that than he is at foot. Like, why didn't he choose that dream of being that announcer guy? He should have been the co- He's been practicing that since he was a kid. Whoa.

Being an announcer would have been such a great twist. Yes. That would have been so cool. And he's been the Notre Dame announcer for the last 62 years. Yeah, that would have been cool. Instead, his brothers went to college. The real man who this is based on should have done that.

Yeah. So, okay, with Rudy's family and D-Bob, still can't believe that that's that man's name. And D-Bob strolls up with a cigar and a woman. I love it. I love it. He's like, I'm a ladies man now. And then he goes to Miami.

So he had to like fly back up, I guess. Steele invites Rudy to lead the team onto the field. I was like, why? So Fortune is there to see the game as promised with Notre Dame leading 17 to three in the fourth quarter. This is so funny. They're like, did Fortune not have a seat? We're winning so hard.

I don't think so. No, I don't think so. And I think he's allowed to watch whatever game he wants. He's just like, I work here. Yeah. But also, it's so funny. OK, so Devine sends all the seniors into the game except for Rudy, which is so funny, to be like, OK,

we're winning so hard. There is no chance for them to win. All the seniors, have your fun time, except for you, Rudy. Despite steel and the assistant coaches urging, fans are aware of Rudy's goal from the story in the student newspaper. What do you mean? How do we know that?

Everyone's obsessed. A Rudy chant begins in the stadium. Hearing this, the Notre Dame defense led by tailback Jamie O'Hara overrules Devine's call for a victory formation and scores a quick touchdown. This gives defensive player Rudy a chance to get in the game and be entered into the Fighting Irish roster.

Devine finally lets Rudy play on the Notre Dame kickoff to Georgia Tech. I love this. The announcer's like, there's a mumbling of sorts. I'm not sure what they're saying. Oh, they're saying Rudy. And then at one point, I texted you this, Lauren. At one point, it looked like Rudy was about to start

chanting his own name. He seemed like a little confused about what was going on. Everyone's going Rudy, Rudy. And he's looking around like Rudy, Rudy. Oh, that's me. Oh, oh. What do I do? I'm so scared.

He is. I'm so scared. He is, he's, he's truly crazy. Okay. So Rudy stays in for the final place, sacks the Georgia Tech quarterback and is carried off the field on his teammate's shoulders to cheers from the stadium. Listen, I think that quarterback let him do that. Like I think everyone was like, okay,

we're going to do this for this little guy. Everyone was, and it's sweet, but everyone was pitying him. That's why they gave him their uniform. That's why they're like, let him play, let him do it. Like, I'll give up anything for him to do it. And it's like, because they're just kind of like, also, we can't keep hearing about this. Like, he needs to have this moment,

or like, it'll always kind of go like, oh, it feels kind of bad that we didn't help that guy when he really needed it. But what I don't get is there was nothing like, he wasn't disabled or something where he wanted to play and overcome this obstacle. He was just like a little guy who- No, it was honestly-

Yeah, he was just like a little guy who had trouble reading. And that's it. He wasn't very good at football, and like that's, and he really wanted to play football. And that's to me a tough one, because I'm kind of like, you don't really get, it just doesn't happen very often. I was like, why didn't he, in the three years

he was in community college, why didn't he like lift weights? Why didn't he do running? Why didn't he do, like we don't see him like, he wasn't training, he's like training. He tried to get bigger or stronger or faster. He literally is just a punching bag. And at one point he's like, don't go soft on me.

It's like, okay, is this a kink? You're kink is the fighting Irish and getting beat up. Like, is that, is that what's for you? It's true because he, you think it's gonna be like a movie montage where he's training to get ready to that. By the time they accept him, he's like fucking awesome at football. And it just was not the case.

It's like, he's still equally bad. He just wants it so bad. And it's just his dad watched football. It wasn't his dad went to Notre Dame. His dad was the... It's just his dad watched football on TV like everyone else's dad. And his dad wouldn't even go to the game until the end,

but he's like, I'm not gonna go, I like watching it on my TV. And I'm like, this attitude, I can't take it. I guess I'm like, he's saying, go see a game in real life, you love it so much. He's like, no, I like to sit in my chair. I love sitting in my chair, being at home with my sons and my son's girlfriend, who's getting passed around the family.

So then there's the epilogue, which I loved so much because it was so specific and I couldn't I just was like, what? OK, so an epilogue states that since 1975, no other Notre Dame player has been carried off the field as of the time of the film's release in 1993. Maybe it's happened since then. And then Rudy graduated in 1976, and five of his younger brothers went on to earn college degrees. I have two questions.

Okay, first of all, you're the only... He basically got like a Guinness Book of World Records, like very specific thing. Like he was the only one to ever be carried off by 12 people or something. It's like so specific. And then why do we care that his brothers went to college? I just don't know.

Do you pay for them to go to college from his like? Maybe it's like they didn't have to die in the steel mill. He opened up the door for education. Okay, okay. I see that. Like they were like, we're gonna be steel mill kids. And then they. They were like, we're going to be steel mill kids. And then they were like, no, we're going to get college. I don't know. It was so, it was so wild. They also didn't show how many kids were in that family. Cause I was like, he

had five kids. There was like 11 at one point. I thought there were grandchildren when he came back for Christmas. Yeah. There were so many kids. So the reception of this movie, this movie holds 77% on Rotten Tomatoes, which I find positively. But it's because of how you liked it as a kid, I feel like, I feel like it must be, right? It's down to it. Well, it's so weird to me now,

because when, like before I watched shows, like I love Rudy, I love, but like what does your kid brain see? Because there's better movies like then, I love Rudy, I love, like, what does your kid brain see? Cause there's better movies like then, like the little mermaid is like, or something. Why does it hold people? Yeah, I think people really just love the story

of someone trying. But he didn't try. No, I know. I think that's what it is. It's like, he just kept saying. He didn't really do anything. He just kept saying what he wanted. He, I know. I think that's what it is. It's like, he just kept saying. He didn't really do anything. He just kept saying what he wanted. He kept getting it.

Yeah. So it got primarily positive reviews from critics in 2006. AFI placed the film on its 100 years, 100 cheers list, ranking inspiring films where it landed in the 54th spot. Number one is, It's a Wonderful Life. That's the most inspiring movie. I mean, it is, it's a wonderful life. That's the most inspiring movie. I mean, it is inspiring. That's just like a man who lives better.

Well, it's like he sees what his life would be without him and then he's like, I gotta be better. And yeah, trivia, okay. In real life, Dan Devine was very supportive of Rudy. Trivia. Trivia, that's how I introduce segments. He was very supportive of Rudy. Trivia. Trivia, that's how I introduce segments. He was very supportive of Rudy and elected to put him in the game on his own.

Because Devine considered Rudy a friend, he volunteered to play a villain in order to get the film green lit. Good, good, good, good, good. There was no obstacle. Oh my God, That's so it. So the story has less of a story. That is so funny.

Can you just be a bad guy in this for two seconds so I can actually get this made? Cause there's kind of nothing happening here. Wait, that is, wait, and Dan Devine, is he the one who, he's the one who came from Green Bay Packers. Whoa, this is so funny. He was very supportive and elected to put him in the game on his own. That is so funny. That's not interesting enough,

so they needed everyone to put their jersey down. Oh my God, that's crazy. Was there even chanting? You gotta wonder. You gotta wonder. Oh my God, wait, keep going. Read the next one. I love this trivia, it's so amazing.

According to Rudy, he has no brother named Frank in real life. The character of Frank is all the people who told Rudy he couldn't do it, rolled into one person. This is incredible. So his family was supportive. The head coach was supportive.

Everyone was, he just wasn't good enough and didn't have good grades. Oh my God. That's like it. And she didn't work at it. She didn't try. She didn't watch it football. He didn't try one time.

She wanted to be in the announcer. And then he like, yeah. Oh my God, I'm obsessed with it. This is so funny. This makes the movie so much better because it's like so crazy. In the final six minutes of the film, the real life Rudy is a Notre Dame fan

sitting in the football stands. While the crowd is shouting, Rudy, Rudy, the camera points to the crowd, then cuts to a closeup of Rudy's father, quote, and brother. Rudy, Daniel Rudy Rutiger can be seen to the left of the father character. And Rudy is wearing a plaid driving cap and a dark coat with a white fur collar.

Later during the cheering, his father turns and playfully bats at the real Rudy. Now that's cute. That must've been a fun scene to shoot. Wow. I just wanna know how the real Rudy, like what really happened that people would be this supportive of this kid?

Like something, the life story has to be better. I know, cause also it's like, where's the impetus to make the movie? Like I'm sort of like, I just don't really know. Yeah. Like he also didn't come, like his only thing that was against him was like, his, just everything about him.

He didn't come from like a terrible family. He didn't have to work through anything. He was the problem. Yeah. It's kind of amazing. He didn't come from a terrible family. He didn't have to work through anything. He was the problem. Yeah. It's kind of amazing. Oh, whoa. It's really wild.

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Ooh. Ooh. Ooh. Ooh. Ooh. Ooh. So we're going to do the newcomers draft. If we were going to recast this movie with present day actors, who would we all pick? Wow. Okay. Emily, do you want to go first?

Gosh. Oh my gosh. Um, okay. Wait, why don't we do it together? I've got somebody for Rudy. Oh, I do too. Who do you have? Let's say it on three. One, two, wait, why don't we do it together? I've got somebody for Rudy. Oh, I do too. Who do you have? Let's say it on three. One, two, three. Timothy Chalamay. Timothy Chalamay. Oh my God, that's so funny. Wow.

Wow. That was the best thing that's ever happened. That is so funny. I truly, I thought you were gonna say somebody else and I was like, it'll be funny that way. Me too, but it'll be funny whatever you say. That's so funny. Cause how funny would it be?

Cause he has no business being on that field. He really doesn't, he's so little. He's so thin. I couldn't think of anyone. I wish you had said the same thing. I wish I had said Timothy Shaller. No, it was honestly amazing. Okay, so he's great in that role.

Yes. Who is the dad? I would, well, they have to be like. I just watched Clue, so Martin Mull. Oh, I love Martin Mull. Yes, I like that. The girlfriend, I guess, will do like a Maya Hawk situation. OK. OK. That's good.

And then who would be D Bob D Bob D Bob? Oh, D Bob. So he I don't. I can't think of like a cuddly round actor who's younger. Yeah. I mean, what about, what about the gate and Matarazzo from stranger things? The kid. Okay. Is he old enough though? Yeah. Yeah.

I guess Stranger Things has been on for 32 years. They're pretty old. That girl just got married. I feel like they're all old enough now. Yeah. Eleven got married? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Wow. They must be old enough. So then fortune. Okay. So I worked with him on grand crew. Aaron Jennings, I

think would be very good. Oh, wait, he's, um, uh, yeah, I think he would be great. Yes. But let's see. But what about, um, oh wait, who am I thinking of? That was like a earnest casting choice. Sterling K. Brown. Ooh, Sterling K. Brown would be great.

Yeah. Or, um, what was the lead from that movie? I'm not helpful. In the movie that Sterling K. Brown was just in, from that movie, I'm not helpful, in the movie that Sterling K. Brown was just in, the American fiction, the lead of that. Oh, I didn't see that. Oh, shit. Jeffrey Wright?

Yes, I think he would also be very good. Oh, totally. Yes. Oh, I wanna see that. Didn't he win that Oscar for that? It's a delightful movie, I really liked it. That's great. Okay, that seems like a good movie. I feel like we'd see that. Didn't he wait in that roster for that? It's a delightful movie. I really liked it. That's great. Okay, that seems like a good movie.

I feel like we'd watch that. I would definitely watch Timothy Shallamay talk about wanting to eat. Oh my God. Being like, I just gotta get to Notre Dame. And him reading those letters out loud each time. I didn't get it. I did get it. Yay.

Okay, it's time for kiss cam. Name the best smooch from the movie or who you wish you saw smooch on the big screen. Guess what? Rudy never kisses even his damn girlfriend. Kisses anybody. This man wants to kiss the idea of football. Like he, I think if he could-

He kisses a football. With Notre Dame though. With Notre Dame. Well he does rub that sign, you know, when he goes in, he does touch the Notre Dame kind of mascot thing, almost kisses that. That's as romantic as it gets. I wonder if in like, you know how they have like cut scenes

from the movie, I wonder if there's just like scenes where he's like humping the buildings being like, oh Notre Dame. Can I talk to someone inside? I feel like there must be some kind, something more with Lily Taylor and some kind of other, cause it feels so like there's something missing. I agree because like when you see them in school,

you kind of don't even get that they're a couple and then they're buying the house together. They must have left out some, what I would call important storyline, but. Well, he was 22 years old. He had been out of high school for a while. So like what, in like four years, I'm sure that they were like, let's start a family.

And he said, okay, but then was like, wait, football. Which is so wild. I know, it's so unfair. I would have loved if Vince Vaughn kissed anyone in the movie, that would have been cool. Yeah, yeah. I would have loved that. There weren't enough women though, I will say.

No, but it makes sense. Because if there was a woman who was in the movie, they'd be like, you know, I simply don't think this is a feasible thing for you. I think maybe we could figure out a different thing you like. Maybe you could do like, start an adult football league. You know, you don't have to go to Notre Dame.

They could have said all that to Rudy. But okay. Oh my God. It's the scoreboard. It's time for reviews. We are all going to review. The way you said that, just go bird. This season we're gonna read reviews

from Letterboxd as we love to do. And then we will each give the film a one sentence review ourselves and a star rating. And if you don't know Letterboxd is a social platform where people can write reviews of films and you can follow us there and see all of our reviews from all of the seasons we've done at Newcomers know Letterboxd is a social platform where people can write reviews of films and you can follow us there and see all of our reviews from all of the seasons we've done at Newcomers on Letterboxd.

This first review comes from Sophie. She gave it four stars. Did this movie make me cry three times? Yes, yes it did. Am I embarrassed by that? Absolutely not. Wow, Sophie, you really gave it up for the film. I need to know what points we should cry at.

I'll tell you where I almost cried. I almost cried when he got in, and I almost cried at the end, even though I was kind of like rolling my eyes a little bit. But I don't know, I could have cried if I had to. I did not cry at all, but I will say I was like, sometimes when we watch movies, I'm like, oh my God. And I like simply can't pay attention.

But I paid so much attention to this movie because I was like, what? He's not doing anything. What do you mean? What? It kind of felt like a TV movie where it was like, this was so simple that you were like, yeah, I guess I would believe that was like on Lifetime. Like it's like, it's just a very basic,

like we get point A to point B story here. But like, yeah, no, this was like a big movie at the time. And then also everyone talks about it. This was released the same year as what's love got to do with it and Schindler's List. Like, and I feel like people talk about it in the same, like it's like, what? Rudy is a hero? This was the same year as it's like, what? Rudy is a hero?

This was the same year as Schindler's List? That's a good year of movies. Wow. We got Rudy. But it does feel like a TV movie in the way that it had to keep reminding you that he wants to play for Notre Dame because like after a commercial break,

you have to come back and remind the audience, remind them, so yeah. I know it was like that. Okay, well, does anyone- How did this film get made? Everyone loves it. How was it so big back then? Cause like, I guess I was stupider because I was a kid, but like was the world stupider

that this was an amazing movie? I don't know. I mean, my husband was like, you shouldn't talk shit about that movie because everyone loves it. And I was like, well, obviously I'm going to and we're going to stay. He's like, no, I mean, it's fine. But he's like, but everyone's going to be like, oh, we love that. And I'm like, really, I'm so curious if that's going to be the response. Do you think people are going to be like, I can't believe they shit on Rudy because it's such a good movie.

I think people haven't watched it again because I would have said that when I heard we're watching Rudy. First thing out of my mouth was, oh my God, I love Rudy. Yeah. Wait. OK. But if you watch it again. I hopped to his Wikipedia page because I was like, how did this movie get made?

So in 2011, Rutiger was charged with securities fraud in connection. Oh, I saw that. I saw that. With his role as chairman of Rudy Beverage, Incorporated. The government alleged a pump and dump scheme and he had to pay $382,000 in fines. Pump and dump?

What does that mean? That's breastfeeding, isn't it? But he fell in. Rudy was breastfeeding. He was breastfeeding and arrested by the government. If Rudy can play for Notre Dame, I believe he could breastfeed too. If he can get that far, like.

He can do whatever he sets his mind to. Yeah, whatever he sets his mind to. This is so funny. So he said. Did he go to jail? He said, no, I don't think so. I think he just had to pay the fines. He said, I fell into the same obvious trap the rest of the country had fallen into in

all those boom years. I shouldn't have been chasing the money. I don't know what that means. Hmm. I guess I'm like, we'll have to research that a little more to understand. But Rudy was basically what are you saying? Is he committed fraud? Yes.

And I mean, some of the stuff in this true story is not true. I know, I'm obsessed with the fact that there basically is no hardship in this film that is real. It's so funny. Well- Did he write the book first? Like how did- How did this happen? Because also he didn't go on to play for the NFL.

So it's not like you're going like, here's how he started. No, his career stopped after he got carried off the field. He did one game. His career. His career was just wanting to play. He did one game. And then what did he do for a living, besides make his juice company or whatever?

He's a, he goes around speaking. He's a public speaker. Inspirational speaker. Yeah, and then he wrote a book. He wrote Rudy, my story, all respect to Rudy the man. I'll do respect. I was, we've made it very clear that we say whatever we want.

Like whatever. But we, no offense. I will say it was an enjoy we say whatever we want. Like whatever. But we, no offense. I will say it was an enjoy. Okay. Oh yes. Let's do our reviews. Okay. Emily, do you want to go first? No.

Okay. I'll go first. Rudy, I'm going to give it, I'm going to give it three and a half stars. A wild movie about nothing that I couldn't stop watching. Yeah, I like that. Okay. So it's out of five. So I'm going to say, yeah, I'm going to give it three stars.

Finally got to see this classic that everyone's been referencing a movie about a man with a one track mind who finally gets what he wants. A story, a tale as old as time. It sounds like a threat, a man with a one track mind who gets what he wants. They know how to do it. I'm gonna give it three stars as well, mostly because I can't deny that this is a movie

that I and most of the population loved. And there's so, like, it definitely doesn't hold up. And, but, but Sean Astin is really cute. He is cute. He's cute and yeah, so, and then Vince Vaughn. Vincent Vaughn, as he's credited as. Oh, oh. Love to see that. And yeah, so, and then Vince Vaughn, Vincent Vaughn as he's credited us. Oh. Oh.

Love to see that. I wonder if like, you know, the movies you were saying, Nicole, that came out at the same time, it's like, maybe this was like so sweet comparatively. That it's like- Compared to Schindler's List, yeah. That people were like, I need just a little guy to win. Fluff, that feels really good.

And it's sweet and it's wholesome. Yeah, that makes sense. I'll give it that. Allie, what is your one sentence review of the film? I would also give it three stars. And I would say when Jon Favreau shouted in the field, he's so little, that's the moment that I cried. Oh!

I texted Nicole after that, and I was like, I think that must have been improv, because that's too ridiculous to shout. It was so funny. He's so little. That's funny. He was so little. He was so much smaller than everybody.

I was crying, going, he is! I love this. I love it. He's really, really short. Oh my god, going, he is. I love this. I love him. He's really, really short. Oh my God. Will you send us pictures of these pictures so we can put them when we post this? That's so cute. It is very cute.

I love that you've worked with him. Was he kind? Was he nice? So kind, so lovely. He seems nice. Yeah. And he was my first kind of bigger, well, starring role in a movie. And I was obsessed with Rudy.

He was like, yeah. Yeah. That must've been really exciting. Yeah, it was. Oh, that's so cute. I got confused with Sean Astin. I thought he was turtle in entourage. And I was like, cause I started watching entourage

and I was like, wait, is that? And then I looked it up and I was like, oh, whoa, I am so far off. They look alike. They do. I can see that. Thank you. Thank you very much. Yeah.

I love that you're watching Entourage. I love you, like Entourage Warren. That's what I'm saying. You said I would love it. And you are absolutely right. When Ari screams at his wife, there's a fucking cab stand on Yucca. I scream, laughed and I still say it.

I just say it randomly to people and then have to explain it. I'm gonna do a rewatch. I'm gonna do a rewatch. I often say it's my most toxic trait that I like love entourage. It's so funny. And it's of the time.

Oh, it's really fun. It's really fun. I went out to dinner last night and Jones and West Hollywood and everyone looked like a background actor on entourage. It's really fun. I went out to dinner last night and Jones and West Hollywood and everyone looked like a background actor on Entourage. I was like, yes, they did such a good job. They really did. They nailed it. Anyway. Well, it's time to wrap up. But Emily, we're so grateful that you joined us.

So much for doing this. You're delightful. Thank you for having me. This was great. Is there anything you would like to plug? Delightful. Thank you for having me. This was great. Is there anything you would like to plug? Not really. You don't have to. You have social media.

Would you like to plug like your Instagram? Sure, cause yeah, anything I'm plugging usually goes on there. Yeah. It's emilyhamshire at instagram.com. Instagram.com. Just email that and you will find her. Everyone out there, please write a review

for newcomers on Apple Podcasts and rate the podcast on Spotify. And next week, we're back with A League of Their Own, which I'm surprised you haven't seen, Lauren. I don't know why. I feel like you would have seen this. I saw it as a kid, but I don't remember. That's a great movie. Yeah, I don't remember most of it. I feel like that'll hold up.

That'll definitely hold up. I'm excited to watch that one. We'll see you then. Newcomers on three. One, two, three. Newcomers! Newcomers is a Headgum Original hosted by us, Nicole Byer and Lauren Lapkez. Our executive producer is Anya Kenypskaya and our producer is Ali Khan. Our theme music, editing, sound mixing and mastering is done by Ferris Monchi.

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