Newcomers: Scorsese, with Nicole Byer and Lauren Lapkus - Star Wars Ep. IV - A New Hope (w/ John Gemberling)

Episode Date: January 28, 2020

Oh boy. Lauren and Nicole have just watched their first Star Wars, and they have questions. Like, what's the devil doing in the Cantina? Is Chewbacca a pet? What was the motivation behind the alien in the trash compactor?Comedian and Star Wars fan John Gemberling (Big Mouth, Broad City) joins us to answer cultural importance of the original Star Wars series, the lore, characters, and convince the girls to keep on watching.Want to watch Star Wars Ep. IV in realtime with Nicole and Lauren? Check out our bonus watch-a-long episode where you can sync up the film and hear their reactions.Like the show? Rate Newcomers 5-Stars on Apple Podcasts and write in the review what Star Wars media you'd like us to cover.Sources for this episode:Star Wars WookieepediaOriginal Reviews from 1977See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I'm Lauren Lapkin. I'm Nicole Byer. We decided to watch something we've never seen before. Yes. Star Wars movies. Yes. We've never seen any of them. None of them.

I've never had the desire. No. I've never been interested, not one day in my life, in Star Wars. I think I've worked really hard to not learn about Star Wars. And I've always kind of prided myself on, like, how little information I had. Mm-hmm. I've put, like, I have some, like, key names in my head. And, like, some phrases I could, like could use in an improv scene or something poorly.

Or be able to have a conversation and not be like, this girl is stupid. Right. I've picked up on pop culture. Yes. But we, I don't know, I feel like we're in this community of improvisers where people act like it is the best series of films. And if you don't know about it, you are really missing out. And so there's a part of me that kind of wondered if that was true and that like, maybe I would like this.

Yes. And I gotta say, after viewing that movie, no. No, the answer is no. We missed out on nothing. Wow. So we just watched episode four.

Hope is here. No, what's it called? Hope is here. A new hope. A new hope. It came out May 25th, 1977. Episode 4. Hope is Here. No, what's it called? Hope is Here. A New Hope. A New Hope. It came out May 25th, 1977. And we just found out that it was originally released as Star Wars and got the name update in 1981.

Which is crazy. I mean, I guess at least it wasn't called Episode 4 when they first put it out because people would be like, what is that? Episode 4 of what? I mean, this movie has been tinkered with so much by the name and then they remastered some of it i know so a lot of those characters that we saw are like the little like guys were like cgi yes cool or something and then they they cgi java the hut he looked wild i know i kind of wanted to see what he looked like before like gross yeah he didn't look gross enough to be called java like He looked like a CGI blob. Yeah, he looked like from A Bug's Life.

Yeah, it really wasn't intimidating in a way that I thought it was supposed to be. We were wondering, we got very sleepy while we were watching this. Oh my God. About 30 minutes in, I was like, when does this end? I need a nap. Yeah, it was getting really exhausting. And also, if you are someone who has never seen the movies or you have and you want to hear our thoughts in real time, we did a watch-along episode where we recorded it as we watched it for the first time. Oh, my God.

And we talked so much because there's no dialogue. No one is talking over this movie. It's just action. It's just laser beams. And then a lot of crossfades into another scene and fade ups and fade. Yeah. It was a lot of everyone. George Lucas just got iMovie and he was like,

he was like, cool. Does all feature I learned about. I mean, George, why did you do this to us? George, everyone loves you.

So then I thought, did people like love it when it came out? So here are some reviews from 1977. The New York Times said, the most elaborate, most expensive, most beautiful movie serial ever made. Here's New York Mag. Oh, dull new world. We were treated to a galactic civil war, assorted heroes and villains. A princely maiden in distress, a splendid old man surviving from an extinct order of knights who possessed a mysterious power called the Force. And it is all as exciting as last year's weather report. So people at the time didn't necessarily like it.

I agree. Hollywood Reporter said, Roger Ebert gave it a perfect four-star review. Luke's journey likened to that of the mythological hero and closed his review by saying, the magic of Star Wars is only dramatized by the special effects. The movie's heart is in its endearingly human and non-human people. I usually really agree with Roger Ebert, so I feel like I'm going to say that.

Not on this. And then Siskel said, Plato would have liked Star Wars. Star Wars expresses ideals like goodness and virtue so that we are able to imagine them once again that's what Plato said

was the purpose of good art so from the point of view of a platonic critic Star Wars is a good picture is it? Siskel's lame the bad guy literally spun out into the galaxy

I don't I just okay let's introduce our guests because we could go on and on about what we don't understand but maybe we can get some light shed on about what we don't understand,

but maybe we can get some light shed on this situation. We have John Gemberling here today. Yes, yes, yes. Hi. Very wonderful. Very funny. We're so glad you're here. Thank you for having me. Oh, my God.

John, do you like this movie? This is a thing that you watched willingly? Well, listen, I have empathy for you guys. Okay. I have understanding. Thank you. I know that it is a, first of all, it's obnoxious to have something built up that much over the course of your whole life. That is true.

So that's a hard place to come from. Also, it's a hard, you know, it is dated looking, the first one. And the pacing is maybe a little dated. Oh, my God, it's so slow. Kimberly, can I ask? Okay. So how many times did you have to see the film to understand the film? Well, so I'm like the opposite of you guys.

I was born in 81, so I never saw any of these movies in the theater, but I don't have a memory of the first time I saw these movies. They just are a part of your life. Yeah, like I came into consciousness like having seen these movies. Wow. So like all the revelations, you know, everything in them,

like I never discovered them for the first time in my conscious memory. That's so interesting. I think that must be true for a lot of people your age and our age that like the second they were able to watch movies, someone puts that on for them. And my parents would talk about it. Not that they're like huge Star Wars fans, but like they would, but they would quote things from it. Really? So I remember watching Return of the Jedi at one point when I was maybe nine or ten and being like, oh yeah, I'm putting it together.

I know all this, but now I'm sort of consciously watching it in a way that I didn't before. But yeah, I mean, this, first of all, you got to understand that prior to Star Wars, sci-fi was like pulpy. It was like, you know, Flash Gordon-y. Yeah, like cheesy. Yeah, like this was the first movie that really commercialized, I think put a symphonic score underneath it and commercialized the sort of epicness of it. So it did do something that wasn't being done before. George Lucas is big into Joseph Campbell and sort of power of myth and all that stuff.

Tell us more about that. Yeah, I don't know who that is. Also symphonic. What a great SAT word. I'm going to put it right in my pocket and forget about it later. Joseph Campbell was a comparative mythologist. He's dead now, but he wrote a lot about myth throughout history and, and the sort of hero's journey that is, uh,

universal in all myth and all cultures throughout history. So, and he, I think liked star Wars a lot when it came out because of that. Um, do you think Nicole is falling asleep? No, I truly yawned.

And then it's like opening my eyes wider. No, no, I No, no. I just, okay. Can I ask a question? Can I ask a question? We like can't believe what we've gotten ourselves into. No.

Are you going to watch all these movies? Yes. And there's eight more. The second it was playing, I think both of us were going, wait, what? Okay. So 3PCP. Uh-oh. 3PC.

Oh, look at your diagram. 3PCP. 3P. Yeah. Do, look at your diagram. 3P-CP. 3P- Yeah, do you want to tell the audience? They have a- Okay, yeah, we have a printout here of all the characters. We have princess Liz and Peter. They have a printout of a picture of Jabba the Hutt, and underneath it, it says Jabba the Hutt.

Because we don't know. Okay. Oh, I didn't even know this. Okay, so this sick man- Oh, those guys are Jawas. I thought they were droids. Oh, Jawas. What's a droid? Yeah, I didn't even know this. Okay, so this sick man. Oh, those guys are Jawas. I thought they were droids. Oh, Jawas. Yeah, we thought they were droids.

We couldn't figure it out. What's that? A Jawa. They're like an alien race. There's a lot of race analogs in Star Wars, so those would be your Arab trader aliens. And they did call them sand people. And I was like, seems like a slur.

Okay, so I got confused. Tusken Raiders is the proper term. I thought that the sand people killed the Jawas, but the Jawas are the sand people. Yes. No. Oh, no. Sand people are different. The sand people are human height.

They were the ones that attacked Luke. The Jawas. And they did kill the, sorry? So they did kill the Jawas. They did kill those Jawas. And then C-3PO just starts burning them in a pyre instantly. Which is pretty wild. He's stacking all the Jawas up and lights them on fire.

It was kind of crazy. And then the way Luke's aunt and uncle were burned. I know. And you can still see the flesh on the bones. That's possibly the most graphic moment. One of the most graphic moments in Star Wars. There's never again a moment where you see a charred skeleton. Now, is that why people kind of universally like it, too?

That there's nothing so violent? Like, all the deaths are kind of like, no. Yeah, and then you don't see blood. You don't see blood. it too that like there's nothing so violent like all the deaths are kind of like no like yeah and then like you don't want to die and then the light the lasers kind of just hit you and you fall down and die i mean it was always i think meant to have commercial appeal in the sense of like they wanted to sell toys even from the beginning they wanted to appeal to everybody so it is sort of all things do you think that Carrie Fisher and all those guys knew that they were getting into something cool

or was it kind of an accident I don't think they I mean anything they've ever said about it I think they were doing a lot of cocaine and they were fucking around and George Lucas was annoying because he cared so much that's funny they were just doing their job

also didn't realize that the sick man had a name that's Grand Moff Tarkin. The sick man? He looked so ill. We were worried about his health. It looked like he was dying throughout the movie. He looked very ill. Every scene he was in, he looked closer to death.

Can we walk through the plot? Peter Cushing, he's the admiral of the... Let me say one thing first. You mentioned Jabba the Hutt. Yeah. So you guys watched the shitty version of this movie. We watched the remastered version. Well, not only is it remastered, but they added all the CGI stuff.

They added... That scene with Jabba the Hutt is an added scene. So he was never even in the movie? He was never even in the... Jabba the Hutt is referenced, but he does not appear until... How do they cut that, though, with Harrison Ford?

Wait, yeah, how do they do that? Like, walking and talking with him. I'll tell you in a moment. He doesn't... Jabba the Hutt does not appear until Return of the Jedi, the third movie. Oh.

So what's the second one called? Empire Strikes Back. That's the one we have to watch next. Oh, okay. And he is, in that, a, like, puppeted thing oh so what's the second one called empire strikes back that's the one to watch next oh okay and he is in that a like puppeted thing that actually does look cool and he seems bigger so that was a scene that before they knew they didn't they cast somebody to be job of the hut i think originally was just like a big fat guy who looks sort of like a barbarian. So they shot that scene with Harrison Ford and fat barbarian Jabba the

Hutt, just human. Yeah. Talking and walking. And then it was cut from the, from the movie. So they added it back in. They see,

they basically slapped a CGI Jabba the Hutt over that. It did look like that. Cause Harrison Ford is like touching Jabba, but like not. But not really touching him. And he walks behind him and steps on his tail and sort of like

artificially raises up and down. Why did they do that? I wonder. They did it because they, George Lucas doesn't understand his own

creation. He doesn't understand that like was not given the budget in his mind or the time to make the movie he wanted to make yes and he was bitter about it for his whole fucking career even though everyone loved it yeah yeah he well and and his movies benefited from the studio system giving

him notes and not giving him infinite right yeah so then when he had the money and opportunity, he then went back and soothed his own childish ego by adding all this extra shit in that wasn't necessary. That nobody wanted. That scene with Jabba the Hutt adds nothing to the movie. It doesn't add any information. And we wondered why we didn't see Jabba again and why he looked like that. It was so weird. It was so weird. He's supposed to be something.

like that it was so weird it was so weird he's supposed to be something the movie in its original form is so good at referencing things and characters and making you wonder about them and wish you could see them like well the clone wars i spent so much of my childhood going what were the clone wars what happened i hope the clone wars were just one person but like a million of that one person like that in Willy Wonka. Because clones. In Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, when they have like the little guy that they just CGI a hundred times in the new version. Yeah, that's what I want.

Wait till you watch the prequels. The Clone Wars are dog shit. Wow. Dang. There's no reason to ever see the Clone Wars. The Clone Wars is something to wonder about and be like, I wish I could see that part of the lore. Okay, that's an interesting...

Go ahead. Did George Lucas do the first three? Did he do all of them? I don't think he directed any of the original three movies, but he wrote them and produced them. I may be wrong about this. I think he directed... The one we just watched was written and directed by George Lucas.

Did he direct? I'm pretty sure. I thought so. Oh, yeah, director George Lucas. Okay. The paper tells me. And then I think he directed the three prequel movies, and then it was bought away from him by Disney,

so these newest, newest movies. Have nothing really to do with him. Right. Interesting. Okay, so we start off this movie with C-3PO. I don't know why. Dude, that's hysterical. I don't know why I can't remember it.

C-3PO and R2-D2, they... We spend so much time with them. Yes, for what? And it actually is confusing because it doesn't seem to pay off. Yeah. We spend time with them when they get lost in the desert. And then they split up. But then they end up together.

Is the reason why we follow them because then they end up working with Luke Skywalker what they wouldn't have otherwise if they weren't lost in that desert? Does none of this make any sense to you because we don't know what we're talking about? Well, I think, I mean, I don't know how much you want me to tell you about prequels. I don't know if we want information that we wouldn't have from watching this. Is that impossible to do because you know all this stuff? Well, I think at the barest form, they are in the archetypes of myth and story. They're the wandering fools who are a witness to these epic events and play a part in them,

but are the sort of, almost the audience in the way that they sort of bumble around and are sort of kicked from one event to the next. Why is C-3PO so mean to R2-D2? Well, C-3PO is an anxious, he's anxious and doesn't want to get into trouble. And R2-D2 is more adventurous and feels a sense of duty and is a risk taker. And R2-D2, you think of R2-D2 as being like sentient, like it has feelings. I don't like how you said feelings.

It felt like we decided that R2-D2 was basically a phone. Yes. That he could look up information and tell them stuff. And then project Princess Leia. But he wasn't feeling. Oh, but he's devious. He gets Luke to take his restraining bolt off, and then he escapes. Oh, we missed that.

He escapes to go do his mission. Wait, when did he escape? Oh, my God. What? Do you mean when he's sticking his head out of the spaceship? What? No, no. In the beginning of the movie, when he has the recording, he plays a little bit of it

to tantalize Luke so that Luke says, hey, what's that video? Show me more. And then he says, translated through C-3PO, he can't play it unless you take his restraining bolt off. The restraining bolt keeps them from having free will, essentially. I see. Oh. So he is sentient after that gets pulled out. Yeah, he's got feelings.

Oh, okay. So he is sentient after that gets pulled out. Yeah, he's got feelings. Well, there's a lot of questions about how the ethics of the universe were. These droids are clearly feeling sentient beings that are essentially enslaved by their makers. Wait, so, I mean, we just don't know. So C-3PO and R2-D2 are droids. Yes. Okay, because I was confused about what a droid was the entire time. They call them robot. He says robot at a certain point.

Right, and then they say that very famous line of these are not the droids we're looking for or something. Isn't that like a huge line? I feel like people say that all the time. Or like these are the droids you're looking for. Well, that's the first time. I was like, I don't know. I've never heard that. Yeah, I don't know why I know that.

Well, that's the first time you see what the power of the Force can accomplish. It's Obi-Wan is mind controlling those stormtroopers. We didn't get that. When he made them turn, I did. We knew that part, but I'm saying when he said these are not the droids we're looking for, Obi-Wan was protecting them and saying they actually are the droids they're looking for, but they were under a mind control to say that they were confused. looking for, Obi-Wan was protecting them and saying they actually are the droids they're looking for, but they were under a mind control to say that they were

confused. But then I'm like, how come? He's putting those thoughts in the stormtrooper's mind. So how come Obi-Wan Kenobi can't just like make the Death Star blow up himself and like kill Darth Vader with his force? Well, he says that that mind control trick works on

essentially weak-minded people. It's not something that, it's not, he's not all powerful. Oh, okay. Okay, so at the beginning, we also know that, wait, what? There was another R2-D2, and then they just, like, threw him away. Yes, and there was another C-3PO, like, okay, so there was, like, a silver version. A gold or silver one, yeah. And then there was also, like, another version of R2-D2.

Were those just, like, are there just a ton of those, but we only follow these two? Yeah, these, there are, you know, they're... And do they come in pairs? No. Okay. The R2-D2 and C-3PO are, you know, by chance of fate, a sort of adventuring duo that always are sort of, you know, counterparts. adventuring duo that always are sort of counterparts. But

no, they're manufactured products, essentially. So there's thousands of these things? Yeah. There's like R2-D4, I think is the red one. They're like model lines and stuff.

Okay, yeah. Yeah, well, yeah, there's the Astromech. There's models. Astromech is the big company that makes all the droids. Oh my God, is that why androids are called androids? Oh, is it? Is that why androids are called, is that why droids? Well, like a droid, like an android phone.

Yeah, droid is short for android. But like, an iPhone's an android. But that's a word that existed before Star Wars. Star Wars didn't come up with the word android. Alright, call me stupid. I didn't know that for sure. I was letting it play out. So, okay at the beginning we have

Princess Leia. Do we even know that yet? We know from the scrolling type at the beginning that Princess Leia has been captured. There's a lot of information given there. It's hard to follow if you don't know what's going on at all. I almost wondered why they said it. I guess maybe to give you more,

to make it more epic? It seems like something epic is happening. Well, it was definitely a decision to make. You said it wasn't named A New Hope until 1981. I don't know if it was when it was first released called Episode 4 or not. It was not. It was just called episode four or not it was not it was just called star wars

okay so at some point the idea that this is not the first in the series i mean i would think the crawl would have been there so the whole god you're yawning oh my god so he liked the idea not the first of the series but didn't want to call it A New Hope because people would be like, what do you mean I never saw the first Hope? I don't know. Yeah, I don't actually know about that, but I know that the idea that this story exists in a sort of serial, because him and Spielberg and these guys, these like baby boomer guys.

Spielberg was involved? Yeah, at a certain point he was a producer. That I didn't know. You know, these guys all loved like radio dramas and like sci-fi serial stuff. So I think their intention, Lucas' intention was that this fits as part of a serial epic in this world. So the idea that it gives you all this information

in the crawl at the beginning is sort of like, I think it's supposed to give you the idea that you're coming into the middle of this story and this universe and, you know. I think that's pretty fun, actually. It is. Yeah. Do you want me to read this in-depth plot synopsis?

I think it might help us remember. Okay, yes. It's just a paragraph. Because honestly, we were so confused. Okay, the film is set about 19 years after the formation of the Galactic Empire. Construction has finished on the Death Star, a weapon capable of destroying a planet. After Princess Leia Organa, a leader of the Rebel Alliance, receives the weapons plans and the hope of finding a weakness,

she is captured and taken to the Death Star. That was unclear. Yes, because we didn't know how she got to the Death Star. That was unclear. Yes. Because we didn't know how she got to the Death Star. Meanwhile, a young farmer named Luke Skywalker

He's a farmer? They're moisture farmers. New information. Wait, what? He grows wet? They're moisture farmers. They're moisture farmers? Because it's the desert.

Tatooine is a planet in a binary system so it has two suns. That's why it's so hot and deserty. Oh, I saw the two suns. I saw that. How do you know?

He just knows. Who told you? I think they probably. The movie tells you? Nobody ever mentioned moisture farming. I don't think they say Luke Skywalker is a moisture farmer. But do you think so much of it comes from like. So people, I think in general, grow up watching these movies.

And then they research more about it. Yeah. Well, certainly, yeah. I mean, I think if you watch it again, you'll probably, it doesn't actually sound like you guys were paying that good attention. We were focused. You have no idea. I didn't pick up my phone one time. I picked up my phone once, and I really missed something, so I was.

Wait, wait, I'm going to go on. Meanwhile, a young farmer named Luke Skywalker meets Obi-Wan Kenobi, who has lived in seclusion for years on the desert planet of Tatooine. When Luke's home is burned and his aunt and uncle killed, Obi-Wan begins Luke's Jedi training as they, along with Han Solo, Chewbacca, C-3PO, and R2-D2, attempt to rescue the princess from the Empire. We got that. We got that when his aunt... So Ben Kenobi came over to him. Yes. And we were like, Ben Kenobi, where's were like Ben Kenobi where's Obi-Wan

we were fully not getting it at all and then we watched his aunt and uncle die who we got to know for one minute and then it was

kind of devastating and then they didn't put her in wardrobe she was wearing clothes that just looked she wears the same thing two days in a row definitely

and you weren't very 70s to her character they were like she'll be dead in a minute and then also like for moisture farming their clothes are pretty drapey. You know, like, what happens if the moisture gets caught on the drapery? Yeah, and then you're wasting moisture.

What? That's expensive moisture you're farming. They're wearing, like, drapey kimonos. Well, they live in the desert. Are you not paying attention to the fashion? It's very hot. It's like desert wear. All right.

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Oh yeah, what were they eating? He was drinking like gray milk. The blue milk is a topic of some discussion. Oh. It's just called the blue milk. And then in one of the newer movies. In one of the newer movies.

I like that it's called blue milk. It's just called the blue milk? In the last movie, the last, I can't even keep track anymore, but like the last major movie that Mark Hamill was in, there is a scene of him milking a creature for this blue milk. That is sick. I can't wait till we get there.

As sort of an Easter egg. Nine movies later. Well, it's like now it's just fan service. Now it's like, let's put in these... We know you're talking about the blue milk. Let's see where it comes from. Oh boy. Can't wait to see that. Okay, so he meets Ben. He knows Ben at this point, Kenobi, and Ben's

like, he explains the Jedi, he explains the Force, which we thought was a beautiful little moment. Kind of seeming, it seemed very important. And then he sees that his people are dead, so he instantly is like, fine, I'm going to join you. Which was kind of insane.

He had plans to go to school. But he doesn't really react. He's not like, boo-hoo. There was no emotional reaction. He just was like, I'm a Jedi now. He's like, all right, here we go. The movie moves very fast. I mean, it is an oddly.

The story does move fast, but the pacing is very slow. It's like a lot of things happen, but that thing moves. Like we spent 15 minutes just on R2-D2 and I'll get his name without looking down. 3-C-P-O. No, people C-3-P-O. People C-P-O. We spent so much time on them for no reason. Right.

But okay, yeah. Why doesn't he care about his aunt and uncle? Like why does that happen so quick? I think there was a lot. I mean, there's definitely like every couple years some new deleted scene comes out. It's like, oh, this is a scene with his old friend who leaves and goes to the academy. I think they shot a lot and then they edited it. I think the movie really got made in editing at least the first one.

So, yes. I won't say, I said it moves quickly. It doesn't, it moves, the story it jumps, it slows down and speeds up oddly, definitely. And then

Kenobi, whatever, was like Ben slash Obi. He explained Luke's father was killed by Darth Vader. Now we kind of know Darth's line. Spoiler alert. You heard that? I actually was avoiding saying it just in case you didn't know. No, no.

That's one of the major things that I know because it's in Toy Story. Oh, yeah. Maybe it's Toy Story 2. There's a play on it. So then I was like, what does this mean? So you hadn't heard that until Toy Story 2. I've heard it my whole life. Like, Luke, I am your father or whatever.

But it's like, I don't care. Yeah, it's like, okay, what is that? But what we were kind of wondering about, and you can tell us if you want, but like, we thought there was going to be a romance in this movie. Correct. And there's not. There's a kiss on the cheek between Leia and Luke. And then a wink between Hans and Princess Leia. Did you say Hans?

Hans Solo. You think his name is Hans Olo? Okay. I did think it was that for many years. I call him Hans. I think I only learned that last year. This is upsetting.

I thought it was Hans Solo. Han? His name is Han? Han. But see, some people's names are Han, and some people's names are Luke and Ben. Yeah, it's so wild. Why are the names so all over the place? You could have a crazy name, or you could have Luke as your name. Get ready.

When you get to the prequels, all bets are fucking off. I know there's an Anakin. Okay, we have to talk about Skywalker. Right? Isn't there a character named Anakin? Yeah. We have to talk about Skywalker. Isn't there a character named Anakin? Yeah. We have to talk about the aliens in the bar. Oh, the aliens in the bar were so wild.

They're so weird. It could be anything. A lot of things that look like they had balls on their faces. And the devil is there. Yes, the literal devil is there. The Judeo-Christian devil. Is that literally what he was? I don't think so.

No, he's a race. You know, this is a race. I mean, this. Well, and also like some droids are just like clearly garbage cans. So everything's a droid? No. Oh, okay. No, like in the Jawa transport vehicle, one of the droids is like just has a lid.

Yeah, we did talk about that. So what are those people, aliens? What are they called? Yeah, well, each race has its own name. I'm not exactly sure what the devil race is. Why all of the aliens inside the bar were so upset that R2-D2 and the gold man were coming in, so they made them stay outside?

That makes no sense. Oh, okay. I don't know that droid discrimination ever comes up again in the movie. It makes absolutely no sense. It was called Deveronian. Oh, a Deveronian. The devil-faced Deveronians first appeared in A New Hope, in which one of them

was seen in Chalmans Cantina. Chalmans? Is that the name of theina? Chalmun's? Chalmun's? Chalmun's? Is that the name of the bar? That's the bar. A Deveronian. Okay, we have a lot to learn.

A Deveronian. I love that all these aliens and droids have names. Oh, they're all built out, yeah. Wow. And a lot of them have action figures. When this, like a few years after Star Wars, like in the early 80s there were like catalogs there was a catalog you could get with just i don't know about hundreds but like dozens and

dozens of little action figures that was like you know a character so you could just have the whole universe to play with that's fun yeah it was fun so so this yeah i mean i this for me this is one of those things i'm sure you guys have it i i think part of 90 day fiancé i love 90 day fiancé well i think part of human i think part of childhood and human existence is there is something that hooks into you as a kid that is just, whenever you see it throughout your whole life, you're just like, I'm home. You have that feeling. What movie is that for you, Lauren? There are so many.

I mean, I think Big is a movie like that for me that whenever I watch it, I feel very calm. Never seen it. I've seen it like a hundred times. But also cartoons. So for you, it's like pedophilia. It's like a loud pedophilia. A little woman getting to be with a young boy.

But I, or like cartoons like Ren and Stimpy or things that like feel, they feel kind of like soothing to me or like Full House and Saved by the Bell. Like I feel like I kind of numb out watching something like that. So is that what you feel about Star Wars? It's not just because I have that numbing with Full House, too, that like, oh, I can watch that. But also intellectually, I'm like, this is awful. It's so dumb. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's more like the look of it and the colors and there's a sort of weightiness to it, to like the characters. And Harrison Ford is just like magical. We loved him. He's so cool. I think he was our favorite part. So cool magical. We loved him. He's so cool. I think he was our favorite part. So cool. I really liked him. He's so hot in it.

He's like very cool. So hot. And he manages to be funny and like frightened and like over it but also cool. Him and Bruce Willis and a couple other like

managed to be great action stars because they can play like frightened and exhausted while being really well. Yeah. When I liked Leia, I thought that she was like cool too, but I...

She was also kind of rude. Yeah. But I thought it was kind of an interesting character trait for the princess. And also, I get it. She's got trauma. She does.

She was held captive, so I get it. But I think I came to like like we were talking about how we don't connect these actors with this movie because we know them from other things like Harrison Ford

or Carrie Fisher we know from other stuff and I feel like When Harry Met Sally is more like my Carrie Fisher connection which is so different. Yep.

But like then seeing them in this context it's really interesting because you're seeing like what people love about them weirdly. Like I could love them for all these different reasons and different

movies are things I know about their personalities, but then seeing them in this movie, it's like, oh, this is the thing that got them where they were. Yeah, it's really strange. But I get it. I get why Harrison Ford became huge. Oh, yeah. He's so charismatic in this movie. Yeah, especially when you consider there's

so little dialogue. There's barely anything for him to work with in terms of getting across that you're a cool guy. He says ten lines. It really is. It must have been an interesting filming process because it didn't feel like he was there about it. I wonder what the script looked like. I guess I could probably get it

and read it, but it just seems like lots of action lines. There's a version. There's a first, not first draft, but like original draft that came out that was somehow found and released like 15 years ago or something that is just insane. Like Luke's last name is Starkiller. Yes, Luke Starkiller. R2-D2 and C-3PO aren't in it. Their roles are, I think, two bumbling imperial guys who bumble around and are like, whoa, what's going on? It's so different. But the script did seem really crazy.

From our perspective, it was going from thing to thing so quickly. And anything could seemingly happen in this universe like that there could be aliens look like all these different people species look like all these different things just at a bar so that was how we're introduced to all of them then like when they're being squished in that trash compactor and like the little like alien comes up and grabs luke skywalker and he almost drowns and then we never see that alien thing again and then you wanted that to have an arc well well why was it down there? Who was that? Yeah, where is it going?

Where did it come from? What's its motivation? Why is it trying to kill them? Like, it feels like now you couldn't make that movie and just be like, and then this thing is like, ah, and then it's gone. Yeah, and then have a payoff for it. It feels like you need to see it again or know what it was. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, so this movie is – Star Wars is tricky because it's sci-fi, but really it's more fantasy. It has technological elements, but originally – and in the years since it came out, there's been a lot of side novels and comic books and other movies and stuff that sort of seek to explain what everything is and fill in those gaps. But really it was made from a sort of fantasy perspective where like there's creatures and crazy stuff and you can fly faster than light speed to the other end of the galaxy all you want and get around and you know. But it wasn't really made with the

sort of like science fiction ethos that is like everything has to be plausible right and understandable and make a certain have a certain internal logic to it um that's really important information though i think because i think that could make me angry watching this. Thinking that there's supposed to be a reason for everything. But just saying, hey, it's fantasy. He's just having fun. Shit's gonna happen. Poor Chewbacca though in that garbage compactor scene. He was fully having an anxiety attack or a panic attack.

And I really felt for him. Yeah. That was really sad. So where do you classify Chewbacca in terms of pet, pilot? Yes, we were having trouble with that relationship. What is he to Luke or to Han? Because it was like, he was like piloting the plane, was very able. Then like Han's like, get out of here and like pats him on the head.

Like it feels like there's this kind of pet dynamic as well. So their backstory is, I believe at a certain point, Han saved his life in one of their earlier adventures. And so in the Wookiee culture, if someone saves your life, you owe them a life debt. So Chewbacca is essentially honor bound to accompany Han Solo and be his sort of protector and companion and stuff.

So and I think that's just their relationship. You know, it's they like love each other, but they get on each other's nerves. Yeah. And Han can be disparaging. That would bum me out to be like my closest friend is bound to me because he has to be. And the opposite too where it's like oh that guy saved my life

now I have to be by him all the time. Like I don't get to have my personal life which obviously would have been amazing as Chewbacca wandering whatever planet. But I think they like each other too. Do we get to see other Wookiees? Is that what he is? A Wookiee? Yeah. I don't know that you see other Wookiees until the prequels. Like a lady Wookiee?

Oh, I want to see Chewbacca with a bow. Right? Right? Just like a bow in her hair. She's like, oh. The prequels, any bullshit you come up with that you want to, you go, oh, what about this? We'll see in the prequels? The subsequent movies will deliver it to you.

So we're going to see Chewbacca fuck? Yeah, we were hoping for that. We need to see more people fuck. We thought in this movie there was going to be Yoda. We thought there was going to be fucking between two characters that possibly were siblings. Yes, because Luke and Leia are siblings. Do you know it or not? We think we know that leia are siblings do you know it or not we

think we know that what do you think you know we think we know that brother and sister but they are siblings that's like what we think is true they are twin siblings oh shit they're twins how do they not know they're oh if you get split up at birth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very easy explanation. I was like, what? How? They're the children of Anakin Skywalker who becomes Darth Vader. What? Yes.

Oh, wait. Wait, wait, wait. That's too much information. Well, you know that Darth Vader is his father. We only know that. That's just because people say things. Yes. But I don't know how it came together.

Right. Yes. I think we can't explore that further because people say things. Yes. But I don't know how it came together. Right. Yes. I think we can't explore that further because we need to be surprised. We have to have something cool happen later or we're going to. And I'm already pretty confused. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just by that statement. And then Anakin is, he's played by Hayden Christensen in the prequels?

He's played by Jake Lloyd in the first prequel, like an eight-year-old child. Oh, just kidding. And he's played by Hayden Christensen in the next two prequels. Okay, then at the end, I'm jumping around a little bit, but there was that, they're like, this mission will take 30 minutes, and then it took literally 30 minutes. It was so wild. Wait, they say that it'll take 30 minutes?

Oh, there's 30 minutes until they have a line of sight to destroy Yavin. And it takes a full 30 minutes. It's so bonkers. We just watched lasers shooting. How come lasers can't kill them more precisely? Why aren't the lasers precise? It seems like the lasers are arbitrary until they decide, oh, this person must die. It's true.

There is a sort of running joke that stormtroopers can't hit anything. Oh, okay. That's funny. Also, what's the point of their armor? Because as soon as you get hit with a laser, they die. That's good. Yeah, I didn't even think of that. Yeah.

That's wild. Yeah, what's the point? You're just wearing all this heavy armor just to die? I feel like one thing that I like about this culture is that even the biggest fans want to poke holes in it and make fun of it. It feels like you're saying people just would comment on how they can't hit anything. Right. Well, there's certainly definitely the first movie, there are campy elements to it. There are a lot of stilted performances.

A lot of the side actors that come up and are like lord vader this is happening over here and they're like almost looking at the camera and then it's like it definitely has a sort of schlocky okay here's a question so when ben slash ob decides to let darth kill him he like looks over and then it's, mmm, kill me. And then he disappears. And he looks at Luke. And just like decides to be killed or become just like a voice.

Because he talks to him later and Luke would be like, I heard that. And like tap his head. Yeah, he literally tapped his helmet to be like, I'm registering this voice. But does he die or does he become like a part of the force? Yeah, he becomes one with the force. Oh, that seems big for him.

Yeah, he loves the force. So like that must be great that he graduated to be the force. I think it is great. Also, their fight sequence wasn't intense. No. It was like do, do. No no and they even like would think sometimes like so you sort of have to look at these movies as like an evolution almost like like the first movie is sort of like caveman you know and then they sort of evolve to the point where in the prequels yoda is like

leaping and spinning around and doing all these like oh i can't wait for that i can't wait for the little yodi it gets like too choreographed and intense and like uh-huh i love the design you know this movie the design is so cool well it's very well done considering the time. Yeah, because that's the 70s, right? Yeah, looking at the sets, I was pretty impressed by that. I can't think of other 70s movies that are fantastical in this way that I would have seen. Well, 2001, I think, came out before this. Oh, okay.

So it draws certainly from the sort of stark white Kubrick aesthetic. from the sort of stark white Kubrick aesthetic. Yeah, like it's hard. It's a hard world to process because on the one hand, the design of the Stormtroopers is so beautiful and the sort of like sheer white reflective angular quality of it is beautiful to look at. But like I said, it's useless. Right, yeah. of it is beautiful to look at, but like I said, it's useless. Right.

Yeah. I spent hours in Barnes & Noble as a kid like paging through because they used to have, they would come out with like books of the concept art. So much work went into these movies like concept art, model designs for aliens that never even made it into the movie, landscape paintings of different planets and stuff. And it's beautiful. It's amazing. Yeah, we were thinking about that in that bar scene

in the cantina with all the aliens. How do you even tell someone what to make for this scene? They could look like anything and be anything and they only need to be one of each one and they can look completely different from each other and we don't have to explain it. Yeah, so much work went into those aliens

for that one scene yeah Henson S yeah well they Henson was oh did he do it all well Yoda is

we're learning so much Henson did a lot the puppeting a lot of the puppets wait Yoda's a puppet yeah well Yoda we haven't seen yet

we don't know how little he is I didn't know Frank Oz does the voice R2D2 we learned a person was inside Yeah. Well, Yoda we haven't seen yet. We don't know how little he is. I didn't know. Frank Oz does the voice. R2-D2, we learned a person was inside. There was a guy in there, yeah. And it's like, well, why is he just a robot moving around? I really felt like that must have been one of the hardest jobs in the movie,

is squishing into that little costume, that R2-D2 costume, and just riding around in the dark. Just ride around. And it was hot, too. I mean, they shot a lot of that in Africa. Oh, wow. I didn't know that. That's crazy.

That is wild. I think a lot of that desert stuff. Like the desert stuff. Yeah. I was very surprised by how dusty the terrain was. Yeah, it was very dusty. I thought it was going to be more like a spaceship throughout the whole thing. And then it made sense of Disneyland, where I have been,

where they have the Star Wars thing, where it's very dusty. And it was almost like Egyptian or something. And I was confused by that. Now we know. It's set in Africa. But that's an interesting choice. Do you know anything about why that is? Or was it just to kind of give them different, like I guess if Luke Skywalker is a desert farmer or whatever.

Oyster farmer. Excuse me. I think another incongruity in it is like every planet sort of has just one ecosystem. Yeah. There's a lot of like there's like the desert planet, the ice planet, the jungle planet. So that's another thing that's like it's cool and gettable and simple and it all looks great. But also what planet would have just – I mean obviously there's planets that – there's inhospitable planets that –

Speaking of planets, so Princess Leia had a whole planet blown up. Yeah. And we don't really talk about it again. Was that Earth? No, that was Alderaan. Oh, but it looked like Earth. Alderaan. I don't think Earth exists. I think there's a different galaxy altogether.

So that was just to throw them off the scent? She was like, which one? I mean, did she want them to blow that up or was that an accident? No, that's where her home planet. So her father and mother, her family was just killed. She had a very small reaction to that.

She really did. A lot of the deaths are not met with the emotional reactions I need. Because I always thought that that was like a trick. Like I thought she pretended to make that one. It was important so that he would blow that one up. So wait, so her mother and her father died, but then isn't her dad Darth Vader? So her adoptive family. She doesn't know dad Darth Vader? So her adoptive family. She doesn't know that Darth is her dad?

Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. So they want her to tell them the location of the rebel base, which is actually on Yavin 4, as you know now that you've seen the movie. Yes, definitely could have told you that, yeah. But she tells them in that moment that it's on Dantooine, which actually is the location of an old rebel base that has been abandoned at this point. And I went to Dantooine in the video game Knights of the Old Republic. Wait, what?

What does that mean? Yeah, what did any of that sentence mean? There was a video game for Xbox 360, I think, Knights of the Old Republic, which is sort of a role-playing Star Wars action game that takes place hundreds or thousands of years earlier. And that's one of the places you go. It's Dantooine. There's a good Jedi temple there. Oh, that's nice. Okay.

Are the guys in the orange, are they Jedis? Yeah, what are those guys? Yeah, who are them? Are they on our paper? They're rebel pilots. You're talking about the pilots? The ones with the yellow glasses. So there's no Jedis? Yeah, what are those guys? Yeah, who are them? Are they on our paper? They're rebel pilots. You're talking about the pilots? The ones with the yellow glasses. So there's no Jedis.

Obi-Wan Kenobi is a Jedi. After the Clone Wars, Darth Vader and the Emperor wiped out all the Jedis. So Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda are basically the last couple of Jedis. Darth Vader. And a Jedi is just like a master fighter who can do the force. So there's the light side of the force, and there's the dark side of the force. Yes.

Right? Uh-huh. The Jedi are a religious order devoted to the force who operate on the light side of the force. They're like monks. Sort of, yeah. Or like like monks. Sort of, yeah. Or like warrior monks. Okay.

Like Buddhist warrior monks almost. And the Sith is an order devoted to the dark side of the force. So the Emperor and Darth Vader are Sith Lords. I've heard of that. Okay. From later stuff, right? Yeah, I've heard of- Sith plays a role. Well, there's the revenge of the Sith. Nope. Yeah, that's what it from later stuff, right? Yeah, I've heard of it. Sith plays a role.

Well, there's the revenge of the Sith. Nope. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, right? Revenge of the Sith? Well, as I just mentioned, the Emperor and Darth Vader are both Sith Lords. Yeah, so we know, but they don't say Sith in this movie. No.

I don't think so, no. Like, that's one of the things that is kind of hard about it, because you know all these things, these catchphrphrases but they don't really come into play until later like i didn't know i could i i i could imagine it's very confusing for you guys to come in confusing at this angle to this movie having a sort of jumble of cultural things in your head yeah we have like 30 plus years of. I mean, you guys can't actually. Random things being said. Yes. Got it.

You guys can't actually watch these movies with virgin eyes. It's going to be like sifting through expectations and weird stuff and try to like push it all out of the way just to accept the sequence of events that they're showing you as they're showing it to you. Now, in my mind, The Empire Strikes Back is the movie. Is that how people would say it? Because to me, that's, I think, maybe the one that I saw when I was a kid. I've seen one that has Ewoks in it. That has what in it? Return of the Jedi.

Oh, okay, it's Return of the Jedi. The Ewoks, the little bears. They're very cute. But that's the only one I've seen then. But I feel like from going to disneyland and in just osmosis like that the empire strikes back like yoda coming into play is like the one everyone cares about is that empire strikes back is the sort of darkest most angsty one of the original trilogy it's the sort of weightiest one i also like return of the original trilogy. It's the sort of weightiest one. I also like Return of the Jedi a lot, even though it gets criticized for being almost too childish,

like the Ewoks and stuff. People say like, oh, it's like babyish. They're pandering to children. I liked it. That was my favorite. It never actually bothered me. Which one is your favorite? Yeah, which one is your favorite?

Out of all nine films empire strikes back i guess is probably my favorite although i return of the jedi also i love and it's it's sort of like feelings like i said i don't know it's not it's not a critical evaluation it's more just like there's parts of both movies that like give me that feeling and and a new hope too that like it's just like oh i'm like here yeah that's nice that's cute yeah it is really nice to hear this version compared to our like oh my god this is so boring yes because it obviously it means something to to a lot to millions of people. And you're right, though.

Coming in and trying to look at it from fresh eyes is basically impossible because we have so many preconceived notions and thoughts about it. And so many questions because you're like, well, I heard about this. When does this happen? Right, because we were waiting for Yoda the whole time. And then we were like, okay, about an hour and a half in, I don't think he's coming. Nobody's going to talk to Yoda? And A New Hope does suffer from pilot syndrome a little bit where there's so much that they have to bring you up to speed on. Trying to cleanly introduce a bunch of information. I mean, you don't meet Luke Skywalker until like 20 minutes in maybe.

Well, that's because we spend a lot of time on our little telephone friends. I maintain the movie should start with the long playing message of Princess Leia, and then they go find Han Solo, and then they go find her. Yeah, it seems like it should start when... I didn't need any of that backstory. You're looking at me funny. You don't need the camera on. I think when Luke's aunt and uncle are killed and Obi-Wan talks to him, I think is where

that should begin. I think, well, you have... Because you're not telling the story of a person. You're telling the story... With something like this, you're telling the story of a world, of a whole setting. That is a really interesting point because I feel like in my mind,

Luke Skywalker is the main guy. But like, and it's about him. He becomes the main guy. He becomes the main protagonist. Yeah, but you're right

that like, that movie is more about just everything, not really just about him. It's not his story. Well, also when you're introducing an entire alien world

to an audience, you have to sort of, I think it is good to bring them up to speed. Nowadays, sci-fi movies come out and even the Marvel movies and stuff, and there's a lot of, I think they're made with a sort of shorthand of like, they get it, they get it. We don't need to introduce a whole world to them

because they get alien world or superhero world or whatever. So let's just do the characters and whatever. But actually, I think making people fall in love with the world is crucial, is a reason for Star Wars success. And I can't totally pinpoint Star Wars success because there are a lot of things that are clunky about it.

And, you know, people didn't love it right off the bat. I mean, a lot of people did, but it wasn't like a foregone conclusion that it was going to be a decades-long cultural phenomenon. I think it just hit some magical you know golden mean of fun characters fun world good actors you know and and cultural readiness for it and a sort of like hit a pocket of sort of escapism that that people liked but yeah i don't think there's one thing that that makes sense to me of why it's the phenomenon that

yeah i will say it is really nice to hear you talk about it and it makes me a little bit more excited to watch the next one because i was. Because I was like, okay. We were kind of nervous right after this ended. We were like, oh no, we have to watch so many more. So many more hours of this. And we got scared. And this actually makes me feel a little hopeful. And also a little more open-minded about how my friends view it. And like, okay, this is a nice memory.

The next two are fun. The next two are good. Everything after that, you're going to be like, well, maybe it'll, the pacing of it may be more friendly. Yeah. Well, that's what we were thinking. We were thinking as it gets to the much later movies that they might just move really quickly in a way that is easier for us.

Easier to consume. The prequels are almost impenetrable. Like, if you're wondering what's going on now, like, I watched the prequels being fully invested in this universe, and I don't know that I could still sit down and explain to you what is going on globally. Oh, wow. Oh, no.

So that'll be fun. Can't wait to get into those ones. But you mentioned earlier the edits, the... The slow fades, the cross fades. Yeah, like the dissolves. I believe they're called wipes. Oh, yeah.

And it's funny that you look at that because it is cheesy, but I see those, like something about the... the sort of misty, it's not misty, but it's like unfocused,

fuzzy line as it wipes across the screen. Even that, I'm like, oh, that's, it's a design choice that is cheesy, but it works. That gives me that feeling with the tinkling sort of incidental score music and the wipe. Like even that gets me. That makes sense. I mean, it kind of reminds me of 70s TV a little bit. Just that comforting sort of thing.

Sorry, I cut you off there. In the video games that they come out with now, they've maintained, between loading screens, they still build those wipes into it. I like that. That is cute. It is nice to respect and revere the things that might have been cheesy about it too.

And they're like, we still like that. I like that. I mean. I do too. Wow. I mean, I don't want, you guys are under no obligation to like love these movies. Thank you. Thank you so much.

Thank you. You should experience them however is right for you. And you know. Darth Vader currently, because we just finished this movie, so he's currently just floating around in space? Yeah, what happened at the end of that? He was in that battle,

and then it seemed like he didn't seem to win the battle because they got knighted at the end or whatever. No, because they destroyed the Death Star. And then he was like floating around in the thing. Yeah, so Darth Vader's just floating in space currently. I think he's okay, yeah. Well, he's going to come back. He cuts away. So they made the movie.

I think they hedged their bets in sort of like, we want to make more than one, but maybe we're only making one, so it's got to have a satisfying ending, but we have to leave threads to play through more movies. So, yeah, he's okay. You know, he's hurt in that he was bested in this battle, and he wasn't

able to achieve his goals, but he's still alive. I'm just like, how is he going to get out of that little spaceship? Well, he'll fly it somewhere. That's another... I'm really, I'm like, concerned. Another difficult thing, like, something like Lord of the Rings is truly like a journey.

Like it's a physical journey where they have to cross many miles to get where they're going. To get a ring. And it's arduous. Well, no, they have the ring. Don't even open that. I can't watch it. Because I haven't really seen that either and I'm not. I've never seen it.

No, no, no. But it's a physical journey. So there's like a journey takes a toll on you. They have the Rick. I thought they were going to go get it. Star Wars is similarly a journey, but you just go anywhere. You just go like, I'm in a spaceship, and then I'm there. So that's a weird element that is lacking from Star Wars,

where you're on a journey, but it's not a physical journey in the sense of like, you can just be at your destinations one after the other. So that is a strange element. So I gotta start this next movie by being like,

Darth is where he is, and that's okay. Yeah, a little bit of time has passed, and yeah. So, Gambling, do you have any, like, last thoughts about how we should go about watching the rest of these movies? Well, I don't know. If you're interested in them, that would be nice for you. We honestly hope that we become more interested. I think something I was

possibly considering is like maybe we watch, when we watch the next movie we then like Google a little more about it so we can learn something. So yes, I think that would probably be very hard. After or before? After. After, yeah. Or should we do it before? Well no, I was gonna say I think you should try to

recognize that everything that you have in your mind about these movies is, you know, going to set an expectation that is just either going to be confusing or disappointing or whatever. Yeah. I would really try to watch them as someone would have watched them. to watch them as someone would have watched them. I mean, you guys have a rare cultural gift of being

able to see something for the first time. Yeah. Alright. Try to pretend it's 1981 and Empire Strikes Back just came out. I put a scrunchie in my eye. Slip on my Reeboks. Put on your Barbie pajamas. I think that was a little later in in my mouth. Slip on my Reeboks. All you know is that... Put on your Barbie pajamas.

I think that was a little later in the 80s. All you saw, you know, all anybody saw is the first movie. And now you're seeing the second movie. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for coming on. Thank you for having me. I'm honored to... Do you have anything you want to promote?

Yeah. Oh, no. What about your Twitter and Instagram? Yeah. Tell the people. My Twitter is at Gember Licking. Good for you not being on Instagram. I just have no desire to post pictures of anything.

I don't. It's not. How does it feel? Are you free? The idea of posting pictures makes me anxious. So it's not. Are you on Facebook? I am on Facebook.

See, I gave up Facebook. Are you on Facebook? No. I can't. I'm not on Facebook. I hated everything I am on Facebook. See, I gave up Facebook. Are you on Facebook? No. I can't. I'm not on Facebook. I hated everything I saw on there. It bummed me out. Yeah.

Okay, well, please review this podcast and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, especially review it if you enjoy it. Yes. Yeah, if you don't like it, you know. Give us a second. Because here's the thing. We are new to this. And if you're like a super fan, because this is my fear with doing this podcast, is that there are going to be super Star Wars fans who hate how we're talking about this.

And I really want you to go on this journey with us because we're going to learn. We're going to have guests on who know about this. And they're going to help us. And we're going to learn. We're going to learn. And we're open. We're open. Yes, we're going to have guests on who know about this. And they're going to help us. And we're going to learn. We're going to learn. And we're open. We're open. Yes, we're very open.

And I will say this. I liked a lot of the action sequences. I felt like the things in between, I was like, I want to kill myself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, maybe now that I know more about the world, I'll go into it really enjoying the second one. Yeah. I'm actually kind of excited to watch the second one now. I'm not dreading it.

Me either. I was dreading watching the first one. Yes. And it was boring. You bet. But I feel excited about watching the second one. Same. Okay not dreading it. Me either. I was dreading watching the first one and it was boring but I feel excited about watching the second one. Okay, good, good. We're on the same page.

Okay, guys. You gotta listen to the next episode because we're gonna be happier. Yeah, yeah. I'm excited for you guys. Please. Oh my god.

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