Newcomers: Scorsese, with Nicole Byer and Lauren Lapkus - The Batman (w/ John Milhiser)

Episode Date: March 19, 2024

This week, Lauren and Nicole enter the Robert Pattinson Batman-verse with Matt Reeve’s The Batman (2022). Joined by special guest John Milhiser (Drama Club, Saturday Night Live, Foursome), the trio discuss the oft-used orphan trope seen throughout the different Batman stories, the subtle differences between Colin Farrell and Danny DeVito as The Penguin, and the beyond startling discovery that Christian Bale is British. Follow John: Instagram, TwitterNext week's movie: The Flash (2023)Like the show? Rate Newcomers 5 stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Nicole and Lauren to read on the pod!Follow the podcast on Letterboxd.Advertise on Newcomers via Gumball.fmSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a HeadGum Original. Fear is a tool. But when that light hits the sky, it's not just a call. It's a warning. I so mourn it. I've been trying to reach you. Fire the gun! This is about a king. And Riddler's the match I can take care of myself

If this continues It won't be long before you've nothing left I don't care what happens to me It's only gonna get worse for you Whoa, take it easy, sweetheart. Hear everything they say, ain't you? Maybe we're not so different. Who are you under there?

I'm vengeance. It's black and blue and dead all over. Heal. Heal. Take cover. I got you! I got you! I'm out. The Batman! Wow. That was fun.

That was good. I think the best maybe we've ever done. I think that, dude, I liked that it was the Batman. Yeah. Because it's just classic almost. So it's right there. I'm Nicole Byer. I'm Lauren Lapkus. This is Newcomers.

We are covering the Batman movies this season because we've never seen them, basically. This is the 12th episode of the sixth season. So we're working our way through the movies within the Batman universe with the help of fellow newcomers, super fans, and sometimes even people who have contributed. And this season is going to be 13 episodes culminating in a very exciting live

stream episode! We're going to cover as much as we can to get an overview of the franchise, but we can't get to everything. But it's going to be 14 episodes, right? Fuck. I had this debate every time I wrote the script. Okay, great. You're doing amazing. Thank you so much.

14 episodes. We've been wrong for 12 of them. Today we will be discussing the 2022 Batman starring Robert Pattinson. The way you said that. I don't know why I said that. Well, there's a lot about how I was phrasing it

that seemed wrong. I just didn't like how I was talking. But Robert Pattinson. I need to know. Well, let's just say we can watch this film on Max Prime Video.

We can get it for a fee on Apple TV Plus, Google Play, and Vudu. And by the way, I just understood last time that I read this that Vudu is like the word voodoo.

It's V-U-D-U, but it's V-O-O-D-O, right? Like that's what it's supposed to be. Voodoo. Never once connected that in my head. Hey, that's okay. That's fine. Before we introduce our guest, what eyeshadow are you wearing?

Oh, well, thanks for noticing. It's just a little dust of gold shimmer. I don't know what brand. Do you see it? Do you see? Do you see, guest? You can't see from where he is, but he doesn't need to see it. It's for you only.

He's also an actor, writer, and director. You know him from his work on SNL, Drama Club, Love, Comedy Bang Bang, Ghostbusters, and of course, he was my roommate. Welcome John Millhiser. Hello. John, are you You like Batman Cause you're the person

Who was like You should watch The Tim Robinson No Tim Robinson I wanna see that version Do you know how fucking funny

That would be It would be very funny As every character I need him to be every character That would be so good Wait what's his name Tim Burton I can't believe I just

Confused those two people I can We all can Yeah you love those two people. I can. We all can. Yeah, you love those movies, right? Oh, I loved 1989, Batman, Tim Burton directed. Yeah, I was obsessed. It was like my first real, besides, I think Roger Rabbit came out the year before,

but then Batman came out and it like took over my world and I was obsessed. Yeah, Roger Rabbit. Same feeling surrounding that of nostalgia. Have I seen it? I hope so. I think I showed you. I think you should watch it. It still holds up. I think it's a good Halloween month movie. Not that this is going to have anything to do with that.

Well, we are recording during the spooky season. Yes, we are. We sure are. So do you love DC Comics? the spooky season. Yes, we are. We should. So, do you love DC comics or are you kind of like Batman-centric? I'm more Batman-centric

although I am more into DC always have been more than Marvel. My dad would travel a lot when I was little and every time he would travel

I would get excited because he would come back and always give me a DC action figure. So like Hawkman, Aquaman, Batman, Superman. Yeah. There's a Hawkman? Starting there was really shocking.

Hawkman made a debut in Black Adam. Okay, that's a newer film. That's a newer film. And why is his name Black Adam? Seems rude. It does seem kind of like... Let's give him a creative name. White John.

I'm a white Lauren. If I was a superhero and I was just white Lauren, I obviously would be a Karen. It would be normal. Who's Hawkman? Hawkman is just a guy with wings. He wears a gold... He's a guy with wings. He wears a gold... He's a guy with wings.

Or now they're changing it to a girl, I believe. Good, I like hot girls. Hot girls. It sounds like hot girl. Yeah. I'm into it. Hot, hot girl. I hope she's got big tits and big wings.

Yeah, and that's all she talks about. It's so hard to fly with my big tits. Wait. Tell me, is Hawk Guy like Hawk Eye? No, that's Marvel. It's not Hawk Guy. Hawk Man? Hawk Man. I really can't wrap my mind

around Hawk Man. I feel like Hawk Man should have made an appearance in Batman because it feels like they both would be in the sky at the same time. Yeah. He could have. Oh, speaking of some of the flying techniques,

I have to, like, we have to talk about this because this movie, that one, he just has, like, the Missy Elliott outfit and just jumps into the sky. When he's wearing jammies?

The Missy Elliott outfit. It made me laugh so hard. I was just like, I can't believe what I'm looking at I did kind of like the movie wait really quickly did you like this movie

yeah what do you think I did like it I saw when I saw it the first time I went all out I went to the Chinese theater in Hollywood

I spent extra money to get the Batman tin it comes in what is that what is a tin it was just a tray for the popcorn yeah it's for the popcorn.

And it just had, you know, Robert Pattinson's Batman on it. Do you still have it? Yes, I do. Do you eat out of it? No, it currently holds blankets. Oh, it's that big? Or sheets. Oh, okay.

Not that big, but it's in the closet. Okay. When I went to see Barbie, my friend, Mariah Smith, bought the, they had a Barbie car that you could get your popcorn in. And they offered to dump the popcorn into the car. I was like, just get it. Don't eat it out of that. Yeah, don't eat it out of the car.

That doesn't seem yummy. Yeah, that's weird. But lots of fun memorabilia. It's special when they have a thing like that. It does feel very 90s to like get a cool treat with your popcorn. Yeah, I go all out for Batman. Yeah. For where the Christopher Nolan Batmans, I go all out for Batman. Yeah. For the Christopher Nolan

Batmans, I would draw T-shirts for each. You're such a good artist. Now, people need to see that. Can they see that on your Instagram? If they scroll back a lot.

Real smooth. People need to see that. It's as if he made me say it. I just meant more, I can't describe, but you are very good and people should know more about that. Yeah, you have a lot of skills. Thank you. Special talents.

When I was little, when Batman Returns came out and Catwoman, you know, came onto the screen, I was like, wow, she's beautiful. And I would draw Catwoman and then run into my sister's room and like, can I borrow some blush and a lipstick and eyeshadow? and then run into my sister's room and like, can I borrow some blush and a lipstick and eyeshadow? And instead of using like colored pencils or something, I would beat Catwoman's face on like paper and like put blush on. That is so cute. And that's when you came out to your family.

I came out to myself. Yeah. That's so cute. I'm gay, I guess. Like, oh. I like that. That's so cute. That is adorable.

Do you remember those like stencils? Did we talk about this for some reason? That's so cute. That is adorable. Do you remember those, like, stencils? Did we talk about this for some reason? It's coming, giving me deja vu. But there were, like, these stencils you could get and then, like, make fashion. Yes. Were we talking about this? No. Didn't they have those, like, in the 60s also? Yeah.

And then I feel like they always had cool, you could do cool makeup and hair on, like, they had, like, ones that were just heads. I could never get the lines straight and I would get so frustrated. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I never owned one. I just wanted one and thought they were cool would get so frustrated. Yeah, I never owned one. I just wanted one. They owned one. Yeah.

I think. Or a friend did. Yeah. I don't know. I had a lot of rich friends with things I could play with. Brag. So wait, did you like this movie, Lauren? Okay, I actually did, I think.

I watched it as a three-part miniseries over the course of two days. One hour here, one hour there, and the third hour elsewhere. But it was, I think that was the best way for me to do it because by the time each hour was ending, I was sort of losing steam. And I think if I was going to watch it in one big chunk,

I would have been annoyed by the end. But this way, my interest was piqued and I actually, I really liked it. And I thought Robert Pattinson was a really interesting choice. I also think there's no right choice for Batman like there's no right answer like we

Michael Keaton's my favorite but I'm like I'm like everyone brings something different and so you can't really judge a Batman as wrong he's a weird Batman though he's weird wow yeah look at us he's I hate I hate my life. I love

this. That was such a genuine take. I know. I know. It's so real. I caught myself watching a video last night that was like why Christian Bale was the best Bruce Wayne but not the best Batman. That's so true. No, that's what it is. If we

did best Bruce Wayne, it's Christian Bale. Best Batman, Michael Keaton in my opinion. Yeah. Okay. So did you like I don't think no that's what it is if we did best Bruce Wayne it's Christian Bale best Batman Michael he is in my opinion yeah okay so did you like you liked it because you had seen

this movie before loved it you said it could be longer I said it could be an hour longer I sort of agreed with you loved it like it was not too long

no I did of course watch it over so much time but like I feel like it didn't feel like the story dragged on no and I liked the music and it was like

kind of film noir-y. And it had a very clear tone. And I just really liked it. And Batman was a detective in this. He was. And also, it felt more like just a movie as opposed to a superhero movie. It felt like it had a lot of other elements.

Well, he also didn't seem... So we just watched... What did we just watch ultimate batman dawn of justice ultimate edition everybody loves it i don't know um but like batman seemed superhuman like crawling on the ceiling and stuff but this batman literally was like i'm gonna follow you on a motorcycle yeah also i'm gonna use the front door yeah also i'm just out in the daylight. He was, he was, I didn't love his makeup. Like, it was very emo. It was very goth. Yes.

And it made him, the Bruce Wayne element, I think I was more like, you're kind of annoying. Yeah. As Bruce Wayne. Well, all the Batmans do put makeup on, but this was the first Batman where you see, where he takes the mask off. You see it, yeah. Because Michael Keaton always had that, but you never saw his like, black eyeshadow. Yeah. But then when he took it off, it looked like he was just like, in the takes the mask off. You see it, yeah. Because Michael Keaton always had that, but you never saw his, like, black eyeshadow. Yeah.

But then when he took it off, it looked like he was just, like, in the Smiths being, like, he's, like, spruiting. But isn't that cool? I mean, it was cool. It didn't. He's a young Batman, so it's kind of, like, he is emo. He's still upset about his parents and just, like, goth a little. It was interesting because to, like, all the other Batmans had a lot of high-tech stuff.

He just had a car that went a little faster than others. A basic car that he souped up. He had the hook thing, the grapple thing that would pull him up and stuff. But yeah, none of it was as crazy as... Yeah, he didn't have a motorcycle that tumbled. Right. Yeah, and he didn't need it. He didn't need it at all.

But I still have questions, which we'll get into after this quick break. We'll deep dive into the Batman. If you're wondering what a Nord VPN is, I'll tell you. VPN stands for Virtual Private Network, a service that protects your internet connection and online privacy. A VPN creates an encrypted tunnel for your data, protect your online identity by hiding your IP address, and allow you to use public Wi-Fi hotspots safely. I'm using a Nord VPN myself. And honestly, it's very easy to use. You connect with one click to enable auto-connect for zero-click protection. It has amazing speed. NordVPN is one of the fastest VPNs out there, and it supports every major platform.

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It was written by Matt Reeves, who co-created Felicity. What? Uh-huh. That I like. Yep. And Peter Craig didn't look him up. Sorry about that, Peter Craig. We don't know what he co-created.

We sure don't. And it was directed by Matt Reeves. Who co-created Felicity. He sure did. And we have to give thanks to the Batman fandomandom Wiki for helping us put together this summary. Oh, my God. I have to say, I bought my daughter this golden book at the Target checkout line that was like the Nightmare Before Christmas golden book. And she likes that movie.

And it's just literally written by the Batman Fandom Wiki. It was like the story of the movie, but with no dialogue, nothing. No descriptive words. It's like, Jack wanted to go somewhere, so he went to Christmastown. Then he just guided that it was Halloween. It was like, this is like... It was like, what's the point? I was like, this is a crazy book.

That's very funny. But it would be a great episode of our podcast. Okay, it's Halloween in Gotham City. A man, Paul Dano, which I didn't know for a long time. For a very long time. I actually, it was two hours in when I Googled. I didn't even want to know who that was. I was Googling something else and then I was like, ah, it's him in there. I liked the glasses on top of the mask. He spies on the apartment of Mayor Don Mitchell Jr., Rupert Penry Jones. Don Mitchell Jr., Rupert Penry Jones.

The mayor watches a debate between himself and his opponent, Bella Rael, Jamie Lawson, who wants to stop the Gotham renewal program that Mitchell benefits from. The masked man known as the Riddler sneaks up on Mitch. I didn't know that for a minute either. Sneaks up on Mitchell and bludgeons him with a hammer. Scary part. When he's hiding in the shadow, I rewound it because I was like, was he there already?

No. He just appeared. Also, I kept seeing her name, Bella Riel. I thought it was real and I was like, why is there an accent on that? I guess I never clocked it and took it in.

Her name is Bella Riel. Bella Riel. Riel. Okay, billionaire Bruce Wayne Robert Pattinson narrates over how he has spent the last two years as Batman

seeking out criminals in Gotham working with the police department he has gotten the bat signal as a means to warn crooks that Batman's

coming for them Bruce stalks a gang of thugs with clown makeup which is so silly like you guys are not scary it's leading maybe

to like subculture you know that Joker exists in this world okay cause it was Halloween so he's walking through

like their time their version of Times Square Gotham Square I guess it's quite literally Gotham Square I like the design and the look of Gotham

I did too and it was like a cool mixture of New York and then there was like some Chicago with the train and stuff and that was cool

but yeah he's coming I liked when he's going through the train and stuff and that was cool but yeah he's coming I liked when he's going through the crowd and everyone's in their costumes and so he's like hiding in his like hiding in plain sight did you see that

the one guy that was that robs the convenience store yeah with the gourd on his head or whatever yeah what was that so there's clues

throughout the movie if you look at like billboards and everybody's like hey you want a drop right drop heads so that's what a drop head is what billboards and everybody's like, hey, you want a drop? Right, drop heads. So that's what a drop head is. What's a drop? That's like the logo for a drop.

Drop is like the drug that they're taking in the movie. Oh, yeah, okay. Is it eye drops? They drop it in an eye, yeah. And okay, so he's a drop head, literally. Yeah, I feel like that's like the cartoon logo for a drop head. Yeah.

And that's what he was. I like that costume. It's on like, if you keep watching the movie, there's like a billboard over here that says drop heads and that's what he was. I like that costume. It's on like if you keep watching the movie there's like a billboard over here it says drop heads and it has that cartoon logo

and yeah. But is it like saying don't do drugs? I don't know if it's from the comics. Oh okay. I didn't know if that was a new idea.

I liked it. Seems fun. I want to do drops. I want to do drops. Let's become drop heads baby. I just want to do drops. So they follow a man off the subway and harass him before they can beat him up. Bruce steps at his Batman Drops. I want to do drops. Let's become dropheads, baby. I just want to do drops. So they follow a man off the subway and harass him.

Before they can beat him up, Bruce steps at his Batman and begins to pummel the thugs as he declares, I'm vengeance. Now, I didn't know about this because this scene was good. But I thought when he says, I'm vengeance, and then Catwoman calls him vengeance the whole time. I was like, it's not his name. But I guess it's his like thing. He didn't want to correct her. He's like, I'm Batman, not vengeance. She just keeps calling me that

and it's too late. I just can't say it now. It would be weird that I didn't say it before. I just wasn't sure about that. Of course it comes together in the end and we'll get there, but I just didn't know about that. I didn, it comes together in the end and we'll get there, but I just didn't know what that was. I didn't love that. Batman joins Lieutenant James Gordon, Jeffrey Wright, at Mitchell's apartment to investigate his murder. Freak.

When Batman's walking in, the cop's like, freak. Commissioner Gordon's like, hey. No name calling. Stop. He's cool. He's my friend. He's my boss. The Riddler left a card addressed

for the Batman along with a card containing a riddle. And a riddle, what does a liar do when he's dead? Lies still. Still lies. Or still lies? What was it? I think it was lies still. He lies still. Commissioner Pete Savage, Alex Ferns, comes in to chew Gordon

out for allowing Batman to be involved in the investigation, even though Riddler intended for Batman to be there. He determines that the answer to the riddle is he lies still. There you go. Yeah. I was watching this. And so he gets the riddle. And I didn't know that he was the Riddler yet.

And then I said to Mike, I was like, this is like the 1966 Batman. Very detective-y. And like they have a riddle and all the cops are trying to solve it it was kind of an easy riddle it was you got it? no

in the Batcave but they solved it really fast they did so that's easy yeah if everyone in the movie gets it fast

that's easy well none of the cops got it Batman who's like super intelligent well he gets but it's easy so I think it's still considered easy if he gets it really fast.

Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, he should think a little bit. Because he has other ones where he's not sure right away. Or he even makes the wrong choice. Yeah. The movie would be like a half hour longer. Him just thinking like, give me a sec. What is it?

Does when he's dead. Does, okay. So he's laying down. He's still. Baggots. Yeah. Dirt. Dirt. In the Batcave, Bruce's butler, Alfred,

Andy Serkis, who is... Gollum. Yes. I almost said Frodo. More famously from 13 Going on 30 as the boss. So Alfred helps him figure out a code within the riddle, which spells the word dry. Now, this was bullshit.

Wait, we have to talk about this. This literally made no sense. And I rewatched it because I was trying to understand what they did. They put all the letters from something. Was there a key with the- He lies still. There were symbols. Yeah.

And once Batman answered it, he lies still. He's like, okay, this symbol means H. This symbol means E. So then he used all those. Then he's like, but there's no vowels or something. He added an O or something. Alfred was like, I put some guesses in. And then it just spelled drive.

And I was like, you can't assume that's right. You just put guesses in. Like, do you know what I mean? Yeah. I didn't understand the code. I didn't get it either. Then I was like, I guess Alfred's really smart too. Yeah, and I felt like it was one of those things where you're like, the movie's right, and it just is, and they got it.

So I was fine with it then. But I just, I did look at that and go, look, I can't make up a riddle, so. Yeah, I don't know how to make up a riddle at all. And then in one of the movies, they used a New York Times riddle maker. Wasn't that a fact? A trivia thing? Oh yeah, to help them make the riddles.

I truly just felt insane for a second. Yeah, I was just like, huh? Batman and Gordon. It was like light bright. It did look like a light bright.

Batman and Gordon find a broken into car in Mitchell's garage that contains a flash drive along with Mitchell's severed thumb, which was nasty. Or was it a thumb drive? Well, because he goes, yeah, so Batman's like

thumb drive. So when you saw drive, you were like, there's got to be a thumb to go along with that. Well, they knew that the thumb was missing. Yeah, because he was like he bled out from the thumb being cut off. And would that be a thing? Listen, we're not doctors.

I don't know, but I'm just like, he did get bludgeoned in the head like 40 times. I'm like, that seems more like how he died. Yeah, that's what got him. The thumb being cut off feels like just an afterthought. Just a little treat on top. Yeah. So they find incriminating photos of Mitchell

and a woman named Annika outside a club called the Iceberg Lounge. Batman heads to the Iceberg Lounge. Now, this is, I was very... This blew my mind. To speak to mobster Oswald Cobblepot, a.k.a. the Penguin, a.k.a. Colin Farrell. What?

Literally amazing. Why? Amazing. Can you imagine if you got to perform with that level of prosthetics, what you could do? I mean, it's amazing. Yeah, you can do anything you want. You can do anything.

I'm like, he looks incredible. He looks like he's in The Godfather or something. He is a whole different person. His voice is great. He's a great actor anyway. And I'm like, he just made that so interesting. Yeah, I don't know how they came to the decision to hire Colin Farrell to play the penguin. Right.

Maybe he was like, I just want to be involved. And we cast everything. And he was like, I don't know. I'll be the penguin. They were like, you'll be the penguin they were like you'll be the penguin yeah slap some shit on him he's

he looks like a real person it's not like he's so grotesque that it's like very penguin-y it could be an actor who

he looks like a great character actor yeah which I'm kind of bummed they didn't give it to him that's what I was thinking there's probably people like that who'd be

crushing it yeah like imagine Danny DeVito didn't play it and Brad Pitt played the penguin. Right. You know? That's really a bummer.

Right? Yeah. So, okay. Where's the Danny DeVito of 2022? Where's he at? Where is he, by the way? Who's the new Danny DeVito? Where's he at?

Why don't we have one of those? I don't know. We gotta go find one. John? John? Would you like to be the Danny DeVito? Where's he at? Why don't we have one of those? I don't know. We gotta go find one. John? John? Would you like to be the Danny DeVito of now? Jonah Hill? Jonah Hill?

No! He's gonna be so mad when he hears this podcast. No! He listens every week. After being denied entry by the thugs at the door, Batman finds his way through a slew of goons before meeting Penguin directly. He questions Penguin about Mitchell and Annika,

but he claims to not know anything. Batman notes Penguin about Mitchell and Annika, but he claims to not know anything. Batman notes a young woman, Selina Kyle, Zoe Kravitz, working at the club and obtaining a drug called Drop to sell.

I liked every time he like made connections with Selina, it was her boots. I know. He was like, she doesn't have other shoes. It's like,

was he attracted to the boots? Maybe. I think so, yeah. Yeah, I like those. I also liked how he would always like confront her. She's like,

oh, I don't do drops. And he's like, oh, really? Because it looked like you did. Yeah. It seemed like you were all about it. And she's like,

back off. We just met. And then like, she's like, he's like, don't you know the penguin or is that other mobster guy? Yeah. Yeah, Falcone. And then like, she's like, he's like, don't you know the penguin or is that other mobster guy?

Yeah. Yeah, Falcone. He's like, it looked like you were all up in Falcone. She's like, I'm not dating him. He's like,

it looked like you were. Yeah. Yeah. He was really critical. Very jealous. Yeah. So Bruce follows Selena to her apartment,

which she shares with Annika. Annika? Annika. He's watching her from this is great. Building across the street. I loved it. He's in love. Yeah. Also,? Annika. He's watching her from this is great. Up building across the street. I loved it. He's in love.

Yeah. Also, that's okay. He's in love. Yeah. And when you're in love, you're allowed to do that. I didn't love how Selena

called her friend baby. I thought they were in love. I was like, oh, is this, oh, is she going to be a couple? Are they a couple?

What's happening here? Yeah, I think we're supposed to. Oh, maybe they are a couple. Okay. Okay. Wow.

That was so like intentionally vague though it was very vague because i in the apartment scene i'm like oh they're a couple and then the rest of the time she's just keeps saying her friend and then you never see them together again so you don't get any sort of context but i guess they are dating i don't know so okay they watch the news showing her in leaked photos with mitchell after annika goes to bed selena sneaks out as Catwoman. And I liked when she, like, flipped up out of the window instead of just going down. I loved that.

I was like, ooh. It was cool. It's a very Catwoman thing that happens. Like, it happened with Anne Hathaway also when she's in the maid outfit and she goes to the window and then she just goes, like, flies out the window. Like, it's very cool when Catwoman does that. It's so chill and they just are comfortable with it. I love it. Okay.

She goes to Mitchell's apartment, which is now a closed-off crime scene where Batman finds her trying to grab whatever she can find on Annika. They go back to her apartment and find it ransacked, and Annika's missing. On the news, they see the Riddler has killed Savage, along with a viral video sent by Riddler

saying that Mitchell and Savage were not the moral men that everyone has been led to believe. Riddler has Savage along with a viral video sent by Riddler saying that Mitchell and Savage were not the moral men that everyone has been led to believe. Riddler has Savage hooked to a device where two rats will gnaw on him to death.

Ew. That's nasty. I would hate to be gnawed to death. That would suck. Looking into Savage's death, Batman and Gordon find more incriminating photos,

this time showing Savage working with a drop dealer. They find another message for Batman, along with another riddle and cipher reading, Al Rata Alata, meaning the winged rat. And that was Spanish? Yeah, but then, well, sort of. It took forever for Batman to figure this out. What Rata Alata means. Yeah, he was really confused by that.

He's like the pigeon with... What did he say? He's like a rat with wings. That's a pigeon. Right off the bat, you're like, it's a bat. Yeah, it's you. Like, look at the mirror. It's you.

No, no, it's not. It's you. You're literally a rat with wings. It's almost the same spelling. So Batman gets Selina to go into the 44 below, the private club within the Iceberg Lounge. He gives her, isn't the 44, isn't that like Disney's secret club? Club 33.

Oh, oops. But close. Thank you. They do drop sets. Did you like the way Selina walked into the club? Yeah. I thought that was very. I was very. Oh, so she gets these camera contacts Yeah. I thought that was very... I was very...

So she gets these camera contacts, which I thought was really a cool... That was cool. And then I was like, so it's kind of amazing. He's watching what it's like to be a hot woman. Yes. Like, everyone's looking at her. Everyone wants to talk to her. It's an interesting experience.

I did love that she's wearing these contacts, which are probably like thousands of dollars, and then Party City wigs. Yeah. I know. She had really cheap wigs. Bad. So he gives her camera contact lenses so he can monitor what she's seeing. They find several city officials are guests with criminal ties, including District Attorney Gil Colson,

Peter Sarsgaard. Really? Maggie Gyllenhaal. I didn't clock him. Colson talks about her... Maggie Gyllenhaal's husband? Oh, yeah. They're married. Or brother. Maggie Gyllenhaal's I didn't clock him Colson talks about Maggie Gyllenhaal's husband oh yeah they're married or brother oh Maggie Gyllenhaal's Jake Gyllenhaal's

Jake Gylle is her brother there's lots of double A's got confused talks about a rat within the department that's being protected while another woman there mentions Annika

Selina runs into Penguin as well as crime boss Carmine Falcone John Turturro, who recognizes Selena. He's awesome. He's great. I really enjoy him. I just realized who he looks like. Mauricio from Real Housewives. Yeah, totally.

I don't know that. Do you know him from Dancing with the Stars? Sure don't. No. How's he doing, by the way? He had one really bad week. I didn't see last night, but he was doing well. And I think he's I think he's doing I think he's good

okay so Carmine Falcone recognizes Selena from previous encounters Selena takes off her contact lenses tells Batman she can't keep going

with her plan and leaves and then she was throwing the contacts out and I was like I hope he has more but this feels like really wild

she's just like ripping them out and throwing them on the ground like they're dailies he's like no don't take them out no no no I will say that This feels like really wild. She's just like ripping them out and throwing them on the ground like they're dailies. He's like, no, don't take them out.

No, no, no. We're out of such a good time. We're out of such a good solution. I will say that I love Batman's voice in this. I hated Christian Bale's voice. Oh, I liked. I like Christian Bale. This Batman, though, I liked how he was doing it himself. I felt like it's all himself.

His accent was really good, too. Isn't he British? Yeah, I think he's British. Yeah. Did you know Christian Bale is British? No. Wait. I. Isn't he British? Yeah. He's British? Yeah. Did you know Christian Bale's British? No. Wait.

I really don't think I know that. He's British. Unless I discovered that on the episode. But I've never heard his real voice. Can we listen to his real voice real quick? Oh, my God. What? Christian Bale? Yeah.

Yeah, because he always plays an American. I feel like in everything I've seen. But in this video, I got into a Christian Bale hole last night at 2 a.m. This is good. And yeah, he speaks with an un-posh British accent. And then I didn't look it up. Oh, OK. We have to hear it.

I also didn't like Christian Bale's Batman mask. I felt like he had squeezed his cheeks. This one really highlights Robert Pattinson. His jawline. And I think it was easier for him to turn, which I think was like Christian Bale. Well, it had like no bottom to it, right? Yeah. It's kind of more just the top.

Just the top. But I feel like in the next Batman, his suit's going to be more professional because this is him like sewing it together type of thing. Same with Catwoman, hopefully. So he's doing another one? Oh, I'm sure. Yeah. Are they doing another one?

Yeah. I know. Why did I not? I'm like, and then it's over. One day it'll be over. Do more. Okay, let's hear. Out of it being somewhat intensive, because otherwise I just don't feel I have the confidence.

I always imagine that I'm going to get to set, and the director's going to go. It feels like he's doing a character. Yeah. Make it up. And I've got to be ready for that. This is crazy. I'm not ready for that. I had no idea he sounded like this.

Me neither. I did. You did? I think a lot of people. I think we're going to be late on this one. I think a lot of people. I think we're newcomers to him as a person. I feel like that was shocking to me.

It was so shocking. I don't know what to do with that. I find him so attractive. He's so hot. Oh my God. Even with all that hair on his face. I like that less but I like... He does it for me. American Psycho.

I truly watched that movie where he murdered people and I was like I would date him. Yeah, he's like so hot. So hot. And I have therapy tomorrow so we'll talk about that. I've been taking a leave of absence from therapy.

I don't need it. I put my two weeks in at therapy i took some time for me um okay the riddler abducts colson straps a timed collar bomb to his neck and sends him to interrupt mitchell's funeral this was a crazy scene this is a a great scene. Batman arrives. I like when Batman got out at the funeral with all the cameras. It was like a little step and repeat. Yeah. And he stood there and checked his phone and let them take pictures. When you die, John, I'll make sure there's a step and repeat. I hope so.

Thank you. It was a real who's who of Gotham City. When Batman arrives, the Riddler calls him via Coulson's phone and threatens to detonate the bomb if Coulson can't answer through the riddle. So it's kind of insane.

They're at the funeral, then a car bursts through the church trying to kill the orphan child of Mitchell, who maybe is an orphan because he has a mom, I guess. But then Batman... Does that keep you not orphaned?

Batman rolls over him and saves him which got no cred. No cred. I was like people are giving him shit like right before that Bel Air was like

you don't do anything for the city. I'm like how about that? He just saved this fucking kid. All right whatever. Nobody cared and then we find out that the driver is is Coulson

so he's in there all strapped up with all those bombs attached to him. And Batman helps Coulson answer the first two riddles, but Coulson refuses to answer the third. Name of the informant who gave the GCPD information that led to a historic drug bust ending mobster Sal Maroney's operation. The bomb explodes. They get everyone out of the church. The bomb explodes, killing Coulson and knocking Batman unconscious. He blew back from that fire. I was kind of like, he gonna die so batman and gordon deduce that the informant may be the penguin and track him into a drug deal they discover that

maroney's operation never actually ended and many gcpd officers are involved selena inadvertently exposes them when she arrives to steal money as the penguin flees selena discovers annika's corpse in the car trunk batman captures the penguin but learns that he was not the informant this was a great car chase great car chase and when when the penguins like i got away and then batman's car leaps over and then he's like upside down watching batman that was a great it was really good but two Colin Farrell's a great actor because I really felt him

be like what the fuck it was so good I'm also just so amazed by the prosthetics that they move so well with his expressions right

it was amazing the sounds of that car chase were also awesome like seen in the theater it was like really cool and the rain constant rain throughout this movie.

Gotham has good draining system. They have a good draining system. Well, until the end. Until the end. You think they would be ready for a flood because it rains every single day. That is true. What about when he's talking to Penguin

and they think it's him, but then he has the idea to go on his like Ghost Rider chat and talk to the Riddler? Isn't that when he's like texting him? That was wild. He's like texting in just green? Why didn't we do this earlier? Because they found there was another piece of the puzzle that they figured out.

He goes, URL. He goes, URL. URL a lot of. URL. Oh, yes. Then he goes, www.elorada.com. And then he's like, yeah, I forgot about that. I laughed at that in the theater.

And then it's literally a black screen. It's like, did you find me? It's like just like green text from 1990. Did you guys watch Ghostwriter growing up? I don't know if anyone would get that reference. I do get the reference. It was like this PBS show where like kids would be like, let's solve a mystery. And then they'd be like, Ghostwriter is going to help us.

And it's like a ghost that moves letters around. But it was like a Ouija board in the computer. And Wishbone came on after. Exactly. I'm very happy we got the car chase. But like, Batman didn't need to go after Penguin. I just feel like the car chase caused a lot of deaths. He killed like a hundred

people. A hundred people in that car chase. You know where his club is. Also, Batman, you don't kill people, but you just did. And then it wasn't even the penguin. He's like, oh, it's not you. No one cares. Innocent lives lost. That was so fucked up. And he should go to jail.

The penguin rips them, like him and Gordon being like, you guys got it wrong. That was a great scene, though. So Batman and Gordon follow the Riddler's trail to the ruins of an orphanage operated by Bruce's parents, Thomas and Martha. They learn that the Riddler was a resident at the orphanage and holds a grudge against the Wayne family.

Meanwhile, Alfred is hospitalized. It's the most logical explanation for a villain that I feel like we've had. Most like straight line. Yeah. To be like, I was an orphan. His parents did something bad to me. Now I go after the city and kill their son. Every Batman character is an orphan.

Yeah, we were saying that in a different episode that Gotham has the highest amount of orphans per capita. Yeah. Yeah. Also... Oh, when you have car chases like that. Yeah, all those kids, their daddies driving trucks, dead. per capita. Also, when you have car chases like that. What? All those kids, their daddy's driving trucks, dead.

Also, Falcone said that Wayne, Mr. Wayne, his dad, performed emergency surgery on him because he was a doctor. I didn't know he was a doctor and an orphanage owner. He was an amazing billionaire.

When you have money, you can do whatever you want. He was. Yeah. He saved him on the table or whatever. Yeah. That was a big reveal about Thomas. I spit my popcorn out. My tin.

Right in your tin. Meanwhile, Alfred is hospitalized after. This was so fucked up. He opens a letter bomb addressed to Bruce. Yeah. I felt like, don't you know how to read Bruce's mail by this point

this one looks fishy yeah this one's not good it also says for Batman's eyes only and yet here you are opening shit up I guess maybe he was risking his life

maybe he knew we don't know Alfred was a good person and he's I liked Alfred and Batman seemed to just be very like he's super dismissive

get out of here get out of here not my father not my daddy. But I have fresh berries. Yeah. He was. He didn't give a fuck

until he's in the hospital. The Riddler then leaks evidence that Thomas who was running for mayor when he was murdered hired Falcone to kill a journalist for threatening to reveal

embarrassing details about Martha's history of mental illness. Bruce who grew up believing his father was morally upstanding confronts Alfred who confirms the allegations

but states that Thomas decided to turn Falcone over to the police after learning of the murder. Alfred surmises that Falcone had Thomas and Martha killed to prevent this. Is this when we see

the video on the news? I think so, yeah, where she was in and out of Arkham or whatever? It's like the way they showed that whole video, I was like, this is so fucked up.

I guess our news kind of does that too. Yeah. Like you just see all the personal details of something. Yeah. I thought it was interesting how they presented everything on the news. They were like, these images are gruesome. And I was like, well, don't show it.

And then I was like, oh, I guess that's what our news does. That is what they do. They're just like, chilled your eyes a little bit. Yeah, if you don't like bad stuff, don't keep watching. Don't watch. But I thought this was interesting because I feel like this gives Batman a juxtaposition to be good and bad. To be like, well, I guess my family covered up stuff, but I'm this vigilante because I

thought that they were good. Yeah. I don't know. I liked it. Okay, Selina tells Batman that, is it Falcone or Falconee? Falcone. I've been saying Falcone, but. Hmm.

Okay, but Falcone is her neglectonee? I've been saying Falcone, but... Hmm. Okay. But Falcone is her neglectful father, I guess. Uh-huh. I was like, what? Yeah. She learns that Annika was strangled because Mitchell told her that Falcone was the informant and resolves to kill him. Batman and Gordon, yes, John? That phone call that we had to listen to that two minutes... Oh, of her

being murdered? Yeah. I know! And then he's like, he's strangling her. It's like, we know. It was her. I thought he was tickling her. URL. URL. Oh no.

Batman and Gordon arrive at the Iceberg Lounge in time to stop her. Batman physically prevents Selina from killing Falcone, explaining that she shouldn't allow Falcone to destroy her future

through murdering him and facing prison. Batman escorts a cocky Falcone to the police, while Falcone tells Batman that he through murdering him and facing prison. Batman escorts a cocky Falcone to the police while Falcone tells Batman that he knows of all of Gotham's hidden secrets and underworld dealings and that everything he knows will die with him. No sooner does Batman bring Falcone outside to the police waiting than Riddler snipes Falcone from his apartment window unmasked as forensic accountant Edward Nashton. The Riddler is incarcerated in Arkham State Hospital.

Nashton says that as a neglected orphan, he was envious of the sympathy Bruce received after his parents murdered. He, after his parents' murder, he idolizes Batman who inspired him to target the corrupt and proposes a partnership, but Batman angrily rejects him. Why do you think we don't use the same name? I know. I was just thinking that. Like, Edward Nygma.

It should be Edward Nygma. Yeah. Why not? I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. That's weird, right? Yeah.

Edward Nasty. But when you see, once we see Paul Dano's face, he's so great. I thought he was. Yeah. He's wonderful. Yeah. Dano's face. He's so great.

I thought he was. Yeah, he's wonderful. Yeah. I was so excited when they first showed like teasers a few years ago of like the Batman and they showed like that question mark in the coffee with the green around the white cup and being like, ooh, the Riddler. I thought that was really cute. Yeah. I did.

I did too. It was kind of a cute touch. Like it's like pretty late to do something like that cute in the movie. That's very Batman-y. That's very, yeah, fun, like, comic-y. How did he make it like that? It's a real departure from Jim Carrey's Riddler. Yeah.

But he's got the creepy laugh and the, like, he's, like, so happy when he sees Batman through the diner window and stuff. And it's, like, really. I'm thinking we'll get there eventually that he's gonna like... Wear a green suit with question marks? A better green suit. Yeah, something. I feel like his jail outfit becomes like a green suit somehow. He dyes it. You want it to be like that?

More like the old school? A little bit more. I think that adds to the fun because yes, I get it. They're all... This is as real world as it can be. Yeah. It is more fun. I know. Did you guys talk about the Riddler and who was supposed to play him? No.

In the Batman Forever? Yes, we did. Oh, who was supposed to? Robin Williams was supposed to play him. That was so crazy. Oh, wait. Was that it? Yeah.

Well, he was told that it was going to be him and then they used him as leverage against Jim Carrey, basically, or to get Jim Carrey. Something. I think it was supposed to be Robin Williams with Tim Burton. And then once that ended. Oh, yes, yes, yes. He was supposed to be the Joker.

Yeah. And then they used him as leverage to get Jack Nicholson. And then they offered him the Riddler. And then. Why do I know all this? You actually. You kept it all straight. That was good.

Wow. Wow. I hate this. Why do I know all about this stuff? Angered at being rejected by his idol, Nastian begins ranting, to which Batman realizes Nastian still has something planned.

Upon realizing Batman hasn't figured out his next course of action, a delighted Nastian gives him one last clue by singing Ave Maria. I didn't know that was a clue. I didn't either. I thought he was going nuts. I thought he was just having a nice time.

Yeah, I thought he was just singing. The song sung at Mitchell's funeral to imply that the final part of the plan is mayor-elect Bella Royale's assassination

but Batman doesn't piece it together much like us yeah so then searching his apartment Batman is inadvertently aided by a cop

I love this little cop and the cop's like all dumb he's just like what are you doing here you can't be here who shows him a carpet cutting tool

which Riddler had murdered the mayor earlier on with. Realizing this tool is another clue to uncovering the Riddler's master plan. They hadn't figured out what the tool was. This cop is just like, it's a carpet. It's a carpet, Tucker. Was he saying he knew what the murder

weapon was from the mayor? Because we saw that blood outline. I feel like you're saying the cop what the murder weapon was from the mayor? Because we saw that blood outline. Yeah, I feel like you're saying the cop, did the cop know? Yeah, I didn't know if the whole... I don't know if everyone had labeled it. I think he was just going, obviously that's a Tucker because we have carpet people in my family and I know that's a Tucker. I'm a carpenter. My dad was a carpenter.

My dad's dad was a carpenter. And then of course, Batman's like, huh. Yep. And then... I knew it was a carpet tool. Actually dad's dad was a carpenter. And then, of course, Batman's like, huh. Yep. And then. I knew it was a carpenter. Actually, I was going to do this. Hold on. So then Batman cuts open the rug of the apartment.

And I love when the cop's like, what are you doing? What are you doing? Don't do that. And discovers a map drawn on the floor underneath. Honestly, the Riddler has so much time on his hands. He's carving into wood. Yes. He's putting lights into the floor

that are lighting up. Yeah, he had a real wire shit. So he figures out that Nastian has stationed car bombs around Gotham. Just then, an online video of Nastian's final transmission before his capture and incarceration plays. So Batman gets the

password. He takes in whatever was written on the floor. What was it? It was like a real or something like. Oh, a real change. Yeah. And then he's like, he types it in as the password with spaces. And I was like, you knew it would have spaces? Like, I just, that was a little. That's the only part I didn't believe.

Very funny. There's spaces in this password. Are there capital letters? So then he gleefully explains that he has amassed an online following that plans to assassinate Mayor-elect Bella Rio. This I liked because it was very, like, Reddit, subreddit, like, incel. Yeah, the video was so creepy where he's basically, like, charging up all like followers to like want to help him and they're all sharing information about the guns and like masks that he wears and stuff

it was very creepy and realistic oh my god it did remind me of the insurrection when did the insurrection happen? January 6th what year? 2021 one yeah it was 2021 I know isn't that weird? that's so weird that was so long ago.

So this movie was after. 2021. But like they were already making it when the insurrection happened. I wonder if the script leaked and everyone's like, insurrection. Yeah. That's why they did it. So, okay. So everyone, all these bombs are going off and he's so gleeful in jail watching them. Yeah, he loves it. The bombs destroy the breakwaters

around Gotham and flood the city. When things happen like that in this movie, I'm like that's too much. How do you... I don't know. I was like, so Batman failed and the city's ruined. He can't fix this. The city is

underwater. The amount of water coming in is out of control. People are fully just drowning everywhere. A shelter is set up in an indoor arena where Nashdyn's followers. So this is where Bella Raelle was supposed to speak and have a whole rally. She was supposed to announce her winning the mayor role. I don't know how you say that. The role.

She was cast as mayor. She won the role of mayor by a popular vote. right when she's like, I'm gonna go out and speak to them. I couldn't believe it. I was like, do you understand what's happening? There's car bombs. There's water. And the guy tries to stop her and she goes out and gets

shot immediately. She's like, hey guys! She's like, listen up! And everyone's like, you're done. So she's, hey guys she's like listen up and everyone's like you're done so she's but she doesn't die okay and her followers are stopped by Batman and Selina

it does say Bartman fights off the angry crowd I just wish Bartman just came into the scene Bartman do the Bartman I did a tap dance to that in my tap class when I was little we. It's Bartman. Bartman. Do the Bartman. I did a tap dance to that in my tap class when I was little. We did do the Bartman.

Is that from The Simpsons? Yes. Yeah. I've never seen The Simpsons. Well, that's 25 to 30 years of catch up there for you. You'll never catch up.

Just don't bother. So, Batman fights off the crowd from the rafters, but he finds himself in danger as he squares off with one of Nashton's followers. And that's really scary. It's all these guys who show up dressed exactly like the Riddler with the glasses and the mask. And just then, Selina swoops in and rescues Batman before kissing him. Oh, we had a couple hot scenes.

We did. And I was very grateful and thankful for that. Me too. This was a pretty good kiss. Thank him for preventing her from murdering Falcone. However, the thug comes to

and almost kills Selena with a knife right after she kisses him. Batman's incapacitated from his injuries and unable to protect her and he injects himself with adrenaline.

I didn't get that. I didn't know what the fuck that was. I was like, what is this green juice? No, no, I didn't know what that was. Did you know what the green juice was? Well, I figured it out

but I guess there was a spot in his suit that he could inject it, and it would go throughout his whole body. Is that real, adrenaline? I think it's a real thing that people have for life. Isn't that what happens in Pulp Fiction, where she gets OD'd? Never seen it. Oh.

I also have not seen that. Which is, my family gets mad every time I say that. It's a big problem, and I'm supposed to resolve that. Yeah, people get mad. He just got mad. He was like, oh my God, cool.

I did think like, whenever Batman would like, something, he would get shot with a shotgun. I was like, it was already like, basically three hours.

I'm like, can we wrap this up? And he'd be like, ugh. Yeah. I like that he took little rests. When he was groaning, sometimes I didn't like

when he was like, having a really hard time. I liked it. I really liked it. When he's like, sometimes I didn't like when he was having a really hard time. I liked it. I really liked it. When he's like, ugh. And when Selena helps him get up and they're both struggling so hard, I was like, just get him up. I need both of you to be strong right now.

Well, I like that they did it in real time. Yeah. I was like, she's really trying and he's really trying and it just really stressed me out. So he gets up, he tackles the guy to the ground and he has the member pinned down and is beating him up really hardcore. Hard, hard. When he's stopped by Gordon and Selina, Gordon approaches Batman's opponent and tears off his

mask to reveal a swollen, bruised face. This is the part. Gordon asks, who the hell are you? And the man responds. Saran wrap head. I'm a whole new character. Let's go. I was truly like, drag queens do that. They like tape their heads

to keep a wig on and I was like, did they ask drag queens how to keep wigs on? I literally was wondering what his whole, because I was like, do we know him?

So he goes, he goes, me, I'm vengeance. And I looked at his face a lot and I was going, is he, is he Paul Dano? He looked like,

he was so beaten up. Yes. I didn't know if he was supposed to be somebody that I recognized or he's just so random. He's just an insurrectionist. So then Batman sees a power line. This was insane to me. Swinging just past the crowds in the

flooded water below. This was crazy. Throws sparks everywhere. I thought he was committing suicide. Same. And then he flails wildly. Then he uses his grappling hook to swing towards the... His symbol. His little symbol. He pulls it off his own chest. It's a metal bar.. Then he uses his grappling hook to swing towards his little symbol. He pulls it off his own chest. Yeah, he uses his detachable bat emblem to sever it, causing him to be shocked by the— Literally was like, he's like, I can't do anything.

He wants me dead, so I should die to complete the thing. I thought that's what was happening. That's what I thought, too. No, it was a big power box dangling. And if it, like, was still connected to the power up there, it would go into the water. Everybody would be electrocuted. So he cut the power.

Oh, he did not. He got a little bit electrocuted when doing that. He's sacrificing himself. And then he was like, ah! And he was like, oh, mommy! Oh, no! So then Batman rises from the water, lights a flare. This was in slow motion to make the movie longer.

Yes. And leads the survivors to safety. I didn't like it. The 10 survivors of Gotham. I know. I was like, you really did it. Everyone's dead here. So everyone on the top of that thing, I was like, are these the only people left in Gotham?

I don't know what's going on. I was like, then the people trying to race out of there as the water is filling the whole place. Oh, my God. It just was like this amount of stress I was feeling. It was very, very stressful. Honestly, I would leave Gotham. Gotham has too much going on.

It's the most crime-ridden garbage town. Why do people live in Gotham? Do you see those lights in Gotham Square? That's where I studied improv. What's the alternative? Metropolis, where there's a man flying around with kryptonite? And then where does Hawkman live?

Oh, Hawkman, I think, lives in, like, the clouds or something. But he's, like, right over Iowa. Yeah. Okay, so there, okay, so in Arkham, Nashin's upset that his plan failed and he sits wailing in his cell.

A neighboring cellmate, who's largely obscured behind the steel door of his cell proposes a riddle to Nashin asking, riddle me this. The less you have of me, the more I'm worth. Now, what did you think of an answer? I thought minutes. Oh, I didn't even think of a single thing. Did you think of anything? Well, no. I was like, it's minutes.

You pause it. Wait, why is it minutes? Like the less you have, the more it's worth. It's like you pause it wait why is it minutes like the less you have the more it's worth it's like you only have five minutes left to live it's like each minute

is like so important that's a nice answer that is a good answer well I was wrong the answer is a friend the less you have of me the more I am worth

it's also the fewer right they laugh together ah ha ha ha and I'm like who the fuck was that in there yeah who was that

you didn't have any is it Joker? Was it Two-Face? It's Joker. Two-Face is not Oh yeah that's Harvey Dent. I forgot. So it was Joker.

It's yeah. Okay. Cause I saw he's like But his face seemed a little fucked up. Yeah so I think this Joker is like

really fucked up face and like Oh okay. I mean that's kind of cool. Yeah. Yeah that's fun. Yeah. So Selina deems Gotham

to be beyond saving and tries to convince Batman to leave with her, but he declines. And they do this, like, will they, won't they kiss? And I was like, we've seen it.

Just kiss one more time. He was going in. He was ready to, and she's like. And she was like, no. And I did like that. Because she was the aggressor. He respected it.

Yeah. She did the first two kisses, and he was finally in it. She's like, now I'm in control. It's actually not really the thing anymore, yeah. She was like, you're'm in control. It's actually not really the thing anymore. She was like, you're already spoken for.

Yeah. And then they set out on the streets on their motorcycles, playfully weaving around each other. I really did like it. Then they get to a fork in the road. Selina veers right. Batman veers left. This is like the end of Fast 7, or Fast and the Furious 7, when Paul Walker goes off in his own direction because he is no longer with us. That's so sad.

He looks back in his mirror as she disappears into the horizon. Then he looks straight ahead, baby. Overall, great. I liked it. Yeah. I thought it was really fun. It was really fun. It was like a cool murder mystery.

Yeah. Yeah. We were trying to solve the crimes along with it. I know. It was very, it was, I really liked how they chose to do the riddles and all the things. Yeah. And that it's all geared towards Batman. I thought these were the best riddles

out of all. Yeah. Better than Batman Forever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were good riddles. I did kind of miss the Bruce Wayne of it all, but I did like that

it was very Batman heavy. I just really didn't need much of this Bruce Wayne. I feel like whenever we saw him and then he's like like they're like talking shit. Whenever he's like being talked shit about or whatever and he was like aware of it. Like I just feel like he's like I didn't like

the Bruce Wayne part. And then when the Riddler was like when you have your mask on you get to be your real self. Like I understand. And I was like that is true. Like he's not really who he is when he's Bruce. Yeah he's a boring sad man. Yeah. He did have a lot of costumes I's not really who he is when he's Bruce. Yeah, he's a boring, sad man. Yeah. He did have a lot of costumes I didn't really like that made him look really squat.

He had, like, those big boots. Like, there was, like, some looks that he had. As the Batman? Yeah, there were a couple looks he had that I was, like, not really into. And then that big puff that he flew through the sky like a flying squirrel. Oh, I did like that. That was funny. I mean, it was funny, but I don't know if it was supposed to be funny.

Sure. I think it was supposed to be funny sure I think it is supposed to be funny is it? because it's like he that was I think his first time

using it he's like oh I'm gonna try this thing that I prepared and he's like oh fuck oh fuck

oh fuck and then he like crashes and he's like oh shit oh yeah that was kind of a comical

because the music like cut out it was sort of like yeah you're right um yeah overall great loved it let's hear about how this did with uh awards and how people Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Overall, great.

Loved it. Let's hear about how this did with awards and how people viewed it. Did it get best sound? I don't know. We'll see. What? Okay, the Oscar is my favorite category's best sound. Oh, okay, great.

Let's see what happens. Which sounds insane. The Batman grossed 771 million dollars worldwide wow tickets for the advanced IMAX screening sold out within a day

of going on sale damn do you no I see myself going to a future one of these I think I will too I liked this one

I think I like Batman generally whoa I don't know it's definitely the coolest superhero it's fun like yeah

and I love the Catwoman. I will review. What is his name? Jim. Carrie? No. Jim Burton.

Tim Burton. Tim Burton. Edward Scissorhands, Night Before Christmas. I gotta rewatch Edward. I love Edward Scissorhands. I think I'm gonna rewatch those Batmans. I think I'll appreciate them more. I really should have rewatched them after watching Batman Forever and Batman and Robin.

Have you seen Batman and Robin, John? What a wild ride. Yeah. Okay. On Rotten Tomatoes, the Batman holds an approval rating of 85%. I disagree. Should be higher. I give it 110.

Yeah. With critics praising Pattinson and Kravis' performance and Reeves' dark visual language. The Batman received three Oscar nominations for best sound. Yay! Hey, it didn't win. No. Best makeup and hairstyling and best visual effects.

Did it win anything? I don't think so. Just nominations. No way. No way. Let's read some trivia from this film. Ben Affleck was originally slated to star in and direct the film. I will say, I am pretty excited that Ben Affleck was originally slated to star it and direct the film. I will say, I am

pretty excited that Ben Affleck didn't do another Batman movie. Oh, I loved Robert. I thought Robert Pattinson, as I said, also kind of a weird Batman. I liked it. I thought it was just kind of like interesting. It's a young Batman. We're going to go with him. But Affleck stepped away from the project and explained this was

due to a combination of factors, including his divorce from Jennifer Garner, the tumultuous production of Justice League, his lack of enjoyment in the role at that point, and his alcohol problems. And he had to keep going to Dunkin' Donuts.

Can you just say you're busy? That's so many personal things we had to share. It's okay. You have a lot going on. Matt Reeves, a longtime Batman fan, quickly rose to the top

of the shortlist to take over. Execs wanted an auteur to make the next Batman film and gave Reeves complete control over the project. I think that's great. And I also thought the Nirvana music was really fun. Yeah, that's cool. Oh, it was Nirvana?

Yeah. Oh. I would like some more songs. I realized it made me think, oh, we only have instrumental music in these movies. It was kind of fun to have some lyrics. Yeah. In Batman Forever,

that's when they got into like the soundtrack. I mean I know Prince had like a song during like Party Man but yeah Batman Forever had a really good soundtrack.

That one was I remember that soundtrack a lot which was like a big thing but then I feel like the more recent ones have been more just like scores.

Hans Zimmer. Yeah. Robert Pattinson's audition slash screen test took place while he was in rehearsals for shooting Tenet. Directed by... Tenet?

She added so many N's. Directed by Christopher Nolan. Pattinson had to lie to Christopher Nolan about it, but Nolan, who was no stranger to Batman and Warner Brothers, immediately figured it out. I guess he's the detective now. Pattinson said, I had a family emergency and as soon as I said he goes, you're doing the Batman audition aren't you? Pattinson also revealed that

while auditioning for the role he sneakily took a selfie in the Batsuit as a memento just in case it didn't work out. That's cute. That's wild that they did a screen test in the Batsuit. That's really funny. I also am like, you had a lie? Well because Christopher Nolan did the previous Batman,

so he was on Tenet. It would be rude. It was the movie that came out during the pandemic. So would it be considered like rude to him to go do that or something?

It's just a coincidence being like, hey, I gotta step out for a lunch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe it wouldn't look so good. This is the first version of Batman to address

the black eye makeup under the cow directly. In previous films, the makeup just disappeared when Bruce took off his mask. Matt Reeves stated, I just love the idea of taking off the mask

and under that there's a sweaty, dripping, you know, makeup and the whole theatricality of becoming this character. Yeah, I like that. I'm into it. That's enough for me. At the end of Batman Returns

when he rips off his mask. Do you remember that? When Selina Kyle does that to Max Schreck and electrocutes him with the taser? Uh-huh. Right before Michael Keaton rips off his Batman mask, you can see that there's no eye makeup. Oh, because he's about to take it off. And then he takes it off. Yeah.

That's weird. That's weird. That's silly. So Zoe Kravitz and Robert Pattinson received the same advice from the predecessor, predi, predi,

you got it. Wait, say it. Predecessor. Predecessors. Oh no. Of their roles, Michelle Pfeiffer

and Christian Bale respectively. Make sure you can go to the bathroom while in the costume. That's a great tip. And if that's the only thing they took while in the costume that's a great smart tip and if that's the only thing they took away from it is that's pretty funny um not being able to pee in a costume is horrible it's the worst yeah you just like don't drink all day and then you're dehydrated and tired it's like awful um and if you're wearing that and you can't take it you

can't pee i mean how do they well i wonder if they made a little flap i hope it's like spanx yeah there's a hole matt reeves stated that his version of the riddler was partly inspired by the infamous zodiac killer an unidentified serial killer who operated in northern california in the late 60s and used ciphers in his letters to police in the film riddler begins his video saying this is the riddler speaking and the zodiac began his letters with this is the zodiac speaking the. And the Zodiac began his letters with, this is the Zodiac speaking. The Zodiac also murdered his victims while wearing a leather suit and mask with glasses over the mask, just like the Riddler wears. That's really interesting. I thought that was such a fun choice.

Like a weird choice. It was so weird, yeah. Yeah, gotta see with his mask on. Reeves' Batman, however, was inspired by Kurt Cobain. Reeves was listening to Nirvana when he wrote the first act and he stated, that's when it came to me. Rather than make Bruce Wayne the Playboy version we've seen,

there's another version who's gone through great tragedy and became a recluse. Kurt Cobain had a relationship with Thane where being famous was not his goal.

He loved music, but the idea of being famous for music was a double-edged sword for him. I just read an essay about Kurt Cobain last night.

I'm reading this 90s book by Chuck Klosterman. It's all just each essay is about some other part of it. Anyway, he was so against fame and all the money and all this stuff, he made Courtney Love return a car that she bought and keep driving their old Volvo. Oh, that's fun. I thought that it looked bad that she was driving a fancy car. Yeah, it doesn't really match with the vibe that you guys are trying to put out.

Yeah. But I like that inspiration. That's interesting. And then that's why he used the music. Let's take a quick break and come back with a little more Batman. We're back. Holy Batman, Batman. This is a new segment. Okay, get ready.

Okay, John. So we're going to rate Robert Pattinson on the definitive newcomer's Batman scale. We're going to use our phones. So check out your phone to rank this Batman across five unique characteristics. Preparedness. How prepared is this Batman? Does he get to use his little gadgets and tools? There's your QR code. Detective ability. Does this Batman get to be a little detective?

Is he good at mystery solving? Voice gravelliness. How gravelly is this Batman's voice? Sadness. How lonely slash brooding slash emo is this Batman? And finally, hotness slash horniness. How hot and or horny is this Batman? Okay, I'm excited.

I actually thought about this poll during the movie. Okay, I'm excited. I actually thought about this poll during the movie. I don't need the voice to be that growling. Okay. You can explain your votes later. Yeah, that was not the time. Everybody in?

Okay. Okay, so preparedness. We gave this Batman 94.3%. I mean, he's quite prepared. Yeah, pretty prepared. Yeah. His flying contraption. That's why I took a little bit of points off. That's where it's a little bit, yeah.

Where he's like, now it's like, the next time I do this, I'm going to have something to help me. He should have tested it out first. Yeah, but there was no time. No. They were going to get him. Detective ability, 97.7%. He was a great detective. I thought he was a great detective.

I thought he was a great detective. Minus the... He got a couple things wrong, but I mean, detectives aren't always right. Correct. He always knew where his letters were. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the cages and stuff. Oh, he also would reach for the letters so slow. Yeah.

I was like, let's go. Well, you know... Because he was sad. True. Well, voice gravelliness, hold on, 73%. I gave him 100. I, he was sad. Yeah. Well, voice gravelliness. Hold on. Seventy three percent. I gave him a hundred.

I thought he nailed it. You thought it was gravelly? Yeah. It's like the brooding gravelly. I think he was doing it all himself. OK. No modifications. I thought it was kind of gravelly. It could have been a little bit more gravelly.

Like, I just remember Christian Bale's. Who is he? And who is he? he? Who is that? You made your teeth look like him. Why is Pete Holmes doing Christian Bale's Batman? That's good. Sadness, 95.7%.

He did not smile once. He really didn't. You have a lot of cats. He never smiled. I didn't want to see him smile. I kind of did. Just one little smile. I think he was maybe smirking when he saw Selena drive off. Or kind of like, there goes my girl.

I'll get her later. Maybe. But I also really wanted to address how many cats Selena had. There was at least five in her apartment. Which is kind of wild. Yeah. And then she had one she put in the back of her motorcycle. Did she? Yeah, at the end i did not she walked in and i was like i was thinking a lot about

the animal handler situation happening off to the side because she's like holding this cat and she like shoves it into like a basket and then like you don't see her close the top of it because it's like i'm sure it was really hard to deal with and she just turns around and is talking to him like cat's gone see you Too difficult. Hotness slash horniness. 84.7%. I gave him 100%. I went lower. I felt like he wasn't very horny himself. No.

I wasn't attracted to him, but I did feel that it was hot, so I didn't go low. What about when he's trying to figure out this Riddler puzzle and he takes off his shirt? I did like that. I didn't like i said oh beefy shoulders i i just it wasn't doing it it was i the emo element threw off a lot i liked the emo element i was like i think i could make him happy okay yeah which is maybe my my issue he fell

in love with selena very fast and because he's so sad yeah yeah Yeah. Yeah. He was horny. He was horny, I guess. Well, we'll fix it in post. Now, time for a Taran Killam segment. How did the score score? Give your quick opinion on the score slash soundtrack.

The score was by Michael Giacchino. I think Michael Giacchino did a very good job. I thought he did too. I really loved it. This is one of the, not the first movies that I really noticed the score, but I like enjoyed the score with the movie.

I agree. I have the opposite where like Tim Burton's Batman, like dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Yeah. Like, oh, that's Joel Schumacher's. But there's like, I can tell which Batman is which. And also with the Dark Knight, Christopher Nolan's Batman. But I couldn't pinpoint what the score was. I know there's, like, lots of, like, horror sounds, like, kind of scary music, but I couldn't, like, hear the Batman theme. Yeah.

Oh, interesting. I guess I didn't mind because I liked the Nirvana thing so much. So I was like, that's fine. I liked it. What was that Nirvana thing that they used in the beginning? What song was it? Something in the way. That's the Batman theme for me.

That's the Batman theme. Because they play it at the end too. Yeah. That's what it was for me. I loved it. Five kapows. It's time for reviews. We like to read reviews from letterboxd are you on letterboxd john it's a site where you can rate movies yeah your friends think of the

films as well yeah of course no okay we're on there as newcomers if you want to see we're going to each give this film a one sentence review and a star rating. I'll go first. I feel like my review is fun, murder mystery kept me on my toes. I did watch it as a three part miniseries. I recommend that for anyone who gets

bored easily, but it was a great movie, five stars. Five stars! I'm actually shocked by myself. I'm also going to give it five stars. Could. Five stars. Five stars. I'm actually shocked by myself. I'm also going to give it five stars. Could have been an hour longer.

Loved everything about it. Every choice was good. Loved his jammies flying through the city. I would watch Catwoman and Batman Fuck. Yeah.

Well, yeah, that's got to happen. That's nice. At least in our minds. That's nice. It happened in my mind last night. John?

I will give it four and a half stars. Room to grow. Wow. I thought it was a really good pilot that had a lot of responsibility of introducing a bunch of characters and a bunch of storylines. And I think it did it really well. And I'm excited for the future episodes and the upcoming seasons. I love it. Some people on Letterboxd said they gave it five stars.

Sophie says, I just love the idea that when he sees the bat signal, Bruce Wayne has to take a few minutes to apply his eyeliner first. Zach Blonded gave it four and a half and said, Bruce is a stronger man than me. I'd have jumped on the back of her bike and said, where are we heading? Yeah, Samesy is cute. All right. We also love to read reviews of our own podcast. We do. This one is five stars.

That's what we like, and that's the only type we read. It's the only ones we read. If it's less than five stars, it doesn't exist to us. I don't know about it. This one is from Scantily Plaid. Just re-listen to the Ahmed Best slash Jar Jar episode.

A million heart emojis, a million 100s, and a million party balloon pops. Really cute. I think that's a party hat. A million heart emojis, a million 100s, and a million party balloon pops. Really cute. A party hat? Yeah, it's definitely, it's not a balloon by any means. I thought they can't see it.

They don't, I don't have to explain myself. What do you call that? A party popper. Party popper. Thank you so much. Please leave us a review if you haven't yet on Apple Podcasts.

We pick one to read on every episode and we also ask that you rate us on Spotify. It takes but two seconds. Two seconds. To give us five stars. John, do you have anything you would like to plug or promote? No, just what do you guys think? I'm trying to think of a Halloween costume. Oh, yeah.

And I thought of this, and it has to do with Batman. Okay. What if I was Bob the Henchman? Who is Bob? Oh, we remember him. He was from 89 Batman. He was when Joker was like, Bob, you are my number one. And I.

Is he a clown? No, he's got the blonde hair. He's a dirty man. Blonde hair, dirty man. Bob the Henchman. Bob the Henchman. I mean, this is very niche. He was also an action figure that I had when I was little.

Okay. Did your dad bring him back from a trip? Yes. Hawkman and Bob the Goon. Oh, yeah. I remember this guy. Oh, I barely remember him. He looks like Tom Petty.

Yeah. I think people might think you're Tom Petty. Yeah. That might be a tough one. Why don't you go as Poison Ivy? Or Poison Ivan. I mean, if you must. You could be Poison Ivan.

Well, we'll be back next week with our last episode of the season, The Flash. Well, should we rephrase that? We'll see you next week with our second to last episode of the season. The Flash. Oh, no. Oh, no.

Yeah. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.

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