Newcomers: Sports, with Nicole Byer and Lauren Lapkus - Avengers: Endgame (w/ Joel Kim Booster)

Episode Date: June 28, 2022

All good Avengery things must come to an end. Comedian/writer/actor and creator of Fire Island (arguably the best film outside the MCU), Joel Kim Booster joins Nicole and Lauren to wave a te...ary goodbye to the ensemble-est part of the franchise. They also do some NSFW Marvel-related shopping on Etsy.com, a sentence that none of us ever thought we'd ever write, ever.  Next week's movie: WandaVision, Episodes 1-4 (2021) Like the show? Rate Newcomers 5 stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Nicole and Lauren to read on the pod! Follow the podcast on Letterboxd. Advertise on Newcomers via Gumball.fmSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is a HeadGum Original. God, it seems like a thousand years ago, I fought my way out of that cave, became Iron Man. Realized I loved you. I realized I loved you. I know I said no more surprises, but I was really hoping to pull off one last one. The world has changed. None of us can go back.
Starting point is 00:00:49 All we can do is our best. And sometimes the best that we can do... is to start over. I saw all these people die. I keep telling everybody they should move on. Some do. But not us. Even if there's a small chance,
Starting point is 00:01:21 we owe this to everyone who's not in this room to try. We will. Whatever it takes. Whatever it takes. Whatever it takes. Thank you. Wow. It's another episode of Newcomers. Oh my God. I just got off a plane and watched a three-hour movie. I feel insane.
Starting point is 00:02:42 That's a lot to do right after landing. It is. It is. That's a lot to do right after landing. It is. It is. That's called homework. That's homework. That's dedication to the art form of podcasting. You are dedicated. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:02:56 I'm going to be a Looney Tune this episode. Well, this is Newcomers. We're covering the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I'm Lauren Lapkus. And I'm tired. I'm Nicole Lapkus. And I'm tired. I'm Nicole Byer. This is the 17th episode of the fifth season. Wait, that's a really good thing.
Starting point is 00:03:11 We're almost done. We don't have that many left. I thought we had more left. Oh, my God. No. Okay, we're working our way through the whole Marvel Cinematic Universe with the help of fellow newcomers, super fans, sometimes even people who've contributed to the films. And it's going to be a 20-episode season.
Starting point is 00:03:24 So we're almost done oh my god um obviously we won't get to everything but today we will be discussing the fourth fourth this is the fourth i thought it was the third i thought it was the second oh shit no no no no no no you know i have yes there have been because this was the third this is this oh okay this is the sequel to that you know we can't. Oh, okay. This is the sequel to the, you know, whatever. We can't, we can't, we can't. Whatever. We don't know everything, but we've seen everything.
Starting point is 00:03:50 Okay, it's Avengers Endgame 2019 is when it came out. And it's on Disney Plus and Amazon, Apple, Google Play, Vudu. And we're going to spoil it. We're going to spoil the fuck out of this movie. Wait, okay, Lauren, before we introduce our lovely guest, what are your initial thoughts on this three-hour-long movie that could have ended several times? I thought it was going to end
Starting point is 00:04:12 several times, and it didn't, and then I would go, oh, shit, there's another two hours left. Like, no idea what's going on. I thought it was very long, yes, I did, but I also thought it was one of the smartest movies that we've watched. They had many storylines, timelines to weave together. Lots of jumping back and forth. And it all made sense. I actually was like, wow,
Starting point is 00:04:34 that's actually really impressive that they did that. So that part I was really I really liked. I was like, wow, that's smart. What did you think? I thought it was smartly done. I really liked Infinity War. The more I thought about it, I was like, no, I actually like enjoyed that movie. So I was very excited to figure out how the dust people came back. Well, yeah, I was looking forward to that. Yeah. And I liked how they explained it.
Starting point is 00:04:57 I like Doctor Strange being like, I can't tell you what's up. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was really fun i will say scarlett johansson whoever's doing her wigs hates her like really hates her to the point where i was like this i would be offended like i would look in the mirror every day and be like why i have to go look at the picture again to see her so they did this insane thing where they pretended that she grew out a wig where she had
Starting point is 00:05:25 a blonde bob the ombre red her natural red hair so to insinuate she never got a haircut in five years what the they really did her dirty they don't like it was really wild i was wondering about that hair um not during it and if it was like was like an exciting spoiler, like what does it mean that her hair looks like that? Like, I don't know. I thought that at some point. But I also thought
Starting point is 00:05:51 maybe it was her real hair for a second because I'm really stupid. And then I was like, what if she went out like that and everyone was like, oh, I guess her character is going to do that.
Starting point is 00:05:56 And of course, it's not real. The bob might have been her hair because that was like a pretty okay wig if it was a wig, but also could have been her hair. I'm not sure. We would have to ask Scar Jo. Yeah, but also could have been her hair. I'm not sure.
Starting point is 00:06:05 We would have to ask Scar Jo. Yeah. Well, I know why her hair looked like that. Ooh! Oh! Let's introduce our guest. It's Joel Kim Booster, actor, writer, comedian who wrote and produced and starred in Fire Island, which is streaming now on Hulu, currently starring on Apple TV Plus show called Loot,
Starting point is 00:06:19 which premiered last week, plus a stand-up special, Psychosexual, dropped on Netflix too. Ooh, Joel Kim Booster, tell us about that hair. Oh my God, we're so excited to hear. Well, it's very clear, her colorist turned into a dust person, and then she couldn't find another one. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:06:37 She was calling around, she couldn't find, every colorist was taken in the snap. Every single colorist. Just by coincidence yeah they all got snapped to dust yeah that's really stressful
Starting point is 00:06:49 I love that I love that I rushed your intro for that can I just say and it was totally worth it but can I just jump back and say Fire Island is so fantastic
Starting point is 00:06:58 we were talking about it a little before we started but I want everyone to go watch it because I loved it thank you guys so much I just thought it was so great thank you I'm excited to watch your it because I loved it. Thank you guys so much. It was so great. I'm excited to watch your Netflix special. Me too.
Starting point is 00:07:08 That new show called Loot is with Maya Rudolph and that looks really good. That looks fun. Yeah. I keep joking. I keep telling people I'm on the Nicole Byer schedule right now. It sounded like a Nicole Byer bio. Yeah. Things just dropping all at once and then you go, now I have
Starting point is 00:07:24 time. I'm on, I'm on the Nicole Byer schedule, except I do not have time to juggle eight podcasts. Somehow. Like, I feel so bad. I used to have a podcast called Urgent Care. I loved it so much. It was Mitra Johari. And we both were like, we're too busy to do this now.
Starting point is 00:07:43 Meanwhile, you and Bowen Yang, two of the busiest people in Hollywood. Yeah. Have somehow managed to maintain all of their podcasts. It's called being mentally ill and loving to talk. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a factor. Especially for this one where we have to watch so much. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:58 And Lauren, you literally have a child and you've managed to make it work. A whole ass baby. Yeah. I was like, I can't do once a week. I can't do it. It starts to feel crazy sometimes, but I do think Zoom has made it a lot better. Imagine if you were still running around everywhere. It would not be possible.
Starting point is 00:08:15 I do not know how I did that before the pandemic. I don't know how I did in-person podcasting ever. I know. It's so much driving. Too much. Well, all right. Joel, please. What was your first experience with Marvel? How did you get into it? So here's the thing about me. I am a dyed in wool comic book geek. I have like the first thing I ever bought with my allowance when
Starting point is 00:08:40 I was nine years old was a comic book. I am, I will say, I lean heavily DC. Like those were mostly the comic books that I bought growing up were DC. But I will say the Marvel comic books that I did follow really closely were X-Men and Avengers. Like I was really big into team books. I love when they team up. I love when they're all together,
Starting point is 00:09:03 the drama, the soapiness of when superheroes are together in a room. And so like the Marvel movies are for me, like they really are for me, especially like these first couple of phases of the MCU, I think like really scratched an itch in the back of my brain. I will say Endgame is one of my favorite of the MCU movies, but I also think that it is one of the MCU movies where you see it start to come apart at the seams, the shared universe of it all. And I do think it's a sharp decline after Endgame. I really do. I think that the movies and especially some of the television stuff that they try to do, it's just
Starting point is 00:09:47 becoming unwieldy. They are losing control of the thread. And I'm sure there is someone whose job it is to make sure that the continuity is coherent across all movies and television. But it is not
Starting point is 00:10:03 they're not doing a great job anymore. And I think you're, and I think you start to see it in Endgame actually with certain threads and certain storylines. But by and large, like I will say,
Starting point is 00:10:16 I have seen the last hour of Endgame no less than 21 times because when it was available on Delta, whenever I like, whenever I would have not enough time to watch an actual movie i would be like oh we're landing let me go to the end of end game and watch the amazing fight scene when all of them come back because that that is what you want like that is all i ever wanted growing up and as being an adult is watching all of these superheroes communicating and coordinating and fighting and teaming up in little battles.
Starting point is 00:10:51 It is everything that I have ever wanted. To me, it is the same thing as this is a bad movie that everyone hates, but Attack of the Clones, at the end of that movie, when all of the Jedi come out and are fighting together, when you see more than one Jedi it is everything to me everything it's funny because I saw Attack of the Clones and I have no clue what you're talking about
Starting point is 00:11:12 you know what's really funny when you said Attack of the Clones I pictured Mars attacks and I was like oh I've never seen that but we did a whole podcast about Star Wars and I did not know what you were talking about I was like the Jedi are in the Mars movie I was like what? I'm so the Mars movie? I was like, what?
Starting point is 00:11:25 I'm so out of it. That is so funny. So wait, what I was hearing, and I want to know more about this, because when we've been watching Avengers, I struggle when they all get together. I don't love when they're all hanging out. Me either.
Starting point is 00:11:39 I don't like when they're all hanging out. I want them to do their own thing. And I want to know why you like them. But I didn't mind it in this one. But like, I think you're like still, okay, so now I remember
Starting point is 00:11:49 the first two were Joss Whedon ones where they were like being quippy or whatever. That's what we didn't like. Yeah. But this one, I felt like there was
Starting point is 00:11:56 like actual emotional stakes. Well, and then there is like, spiritually, this is the fifth Avengers movie because you, there is an argument to be made
Starting point is 00:12:04 that Captain America Civil War is sort of a low-key Avengers movie because that's the one where they fight and they all get together and they fight. Here's the thing, and I think that this is just built into me as a comic book fan. can only really afford one or two comic books every week, I would always gravitate towards Justice League or Avengers because it felt like sort of maximizing like what I was getting for my money. Cause it was like, Oh, if I, if I buy a Batman comic book, I'm only getting Batman. If I buy Justice League, I'm getting Batman. I'm getting Wonder Woman. I'm getting Plastic Man. I'm getting Huntress. I'm getting allastic Man. I'm getting Huntress. I'm getting all of these secrets. Plastic Man? Yeah, baby! Plastic Man! I'm googling him now. Plastic Man
Starting point is 00:12:50 is DC. Basically, he has the same powers as Mr. Fantastic. He's stretchy, but he's funny and quippy. He's amazing. You gotta check out Plastic Man. And he's wearing some shorts. Come on, this belt. Yes. And these sunglasses. This is gotta check out plastic man and he's wearing some shorts come on this belt yeah it's very this is wild yeah i love plastic man yeah you gotta i that's who i want to play in a super
Starting point is 00:13:14 movie is plastic man i mean i would love to see you in these shorts in this belt yeah i don't think the cgi is quite there yet. But once the CGI catches up to me, then I am willing to play Plastic Man. But yeah, I think that's partially why I like the teen ones a lot, is that it's just built into what I enjoy about superhero comic books, is especially the big group battle scenes. I find the way they're choreographed and the way that, especially the way they're choreographed and the way that like, especially the way they like sort of weave in.
Starting point is 00:13:47 In Endgame especially, there's a lot of fan service or a lot of like gestures at sort of like arcs that the characters have within the battles. You know, like seeing certain people like return and fight alongside one another is really exciting to me. And just like even small things. This is so dumb, actually. I find this to be a really stupid part of the movie. And yet it really like I cheered when I saw it was like Gwen Paltrow showing up in her own Iron Man suit. I enjoyed it. Yeah, I enjoyed it.
Starting point is 00:14:22 I loved it. I love her. It's crazy. She has no training. She has never been in a fight before. And her first foray into battling is the one battle where the fate of the universe is at
Starting point is 00:14:35 stake. Like, it is crazy. But it's so on game for Gwyneth as a human and for Pepper Potts in the movie. Because in this movie, I was like, does she know which Avengers the movie because in this movie I was like does she know which Avengers movie she's in? She was just like whatever yeah Tony we have a kid now seems nice
Starting point is 00:14:52 like I just I love Gwyneth Paltrow. I know I love that story of how she didn't know what movie she was in it's just so great well they do that all the time my other favorite part about Endgame and Infinity War, actually, is this, is that they managed to get every single person who has ever appeared in a Marvel movie back. They even got Natalie Portman back for one day of reshoots for Endgame.
Starting point is 00:15:22 Okay. They got everyone. Except for Lupita. Lupita Nyong'o. She said, no thank you. Actually, I'm doing an off Broadway play. That's literally why she didn't do
Starting point is 00:15:35 this movie. I love that. Because she did an off Broadway play and I think that is so funny. I would just love to be a fly on the wall in the conversation between her reps and the Marvel people. Really? She's not going to come back?
Starting point is 00:15:50 And she's like, no, she can. It's live. It's eight days a week. She can't do it. It's at Playwrights Horizons in New York City. That's awesome. I love that so much. Also, like, that's powerful to be like. It's very powerful. No, I won't. I love that so much. Also, like, that's powerful to be like.
Starting point is 00:16:05 It's very powerful. No, I won't. I don't need it. I'm going to do something artful. That literally, that literally maybe one, like, 60th of the people who saw Endgame saw the play that she was in. And she still was like, like, what a power move. Like, what a power move. I wish I got to see the play to go,
Starting point is 00:16:25 the play was worth it. We need the facts. Wait, should we get into the Daily Bugle? Yes. Okay, the Daily Bugle is our new segment, Bebop. It's a... We're going to give a recap of what's going on. The sound effect is getting further away from the title, so it's making less're gonna give a recap of what's going on the sound effect is getting further away
Starting point is 00:16:45 from the title so it's making less and less sense it was like so far like bee bop that's the bugle noise that's what a bugle is
Starting point is 00:16:53 okay so Nico Santos from Superstore and Crazy Rich Asians is the latest actor to join Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3
Starting point is 00:17:00 which is so exciting I love Nico I love Nico so much and I'm so happy for him and I can't wait to see what crazy little alien he gets to play in this next movie. Those movies have a lot of fun
Starting point is 00:17:13 roles, for sure. Okay, Deadline announced that Jake Schreier will direct the newly announced MCU film Thunderbolt, which revolves around a team of Marvel villains and antiheroes who are hired by the government sort of like Marvel's version of the Suicide Squad. Oh. Are you familiar with Thunderbolts, Joel?
Starting point is 00:17:31 Yes, I am familiar with Thunderbolts. And that is what I think Julia Louis-Dreyfus is sort of sneaking around the MCU, sort of compiling the team that will then eventually become the Thunderbolts. Oh. And it's in, she shows up, technically she shows up first in Falcon and Winter Soldier, a Disney Plus show. Julie Louis-Dreyfus?
Starting point is 00:17:54 This is so interesting. Yes, but she was supposed, her first appearance was supposed to be in the Black Widow movie, but then because of COVID, the timing of it all got fucked up. And so it sort of sucks that the first time you see her isn't on the TV show, because when you see her in Black Widow, you're like, oh, that lady from the TV show is in the movie. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:13 Whereas if it happened the other way, you'd be like, oh, that lady from the movie is in this TV show? That legitimizes this TV show. Yeah, for sure. Instead, it sort of delegitimizes the movie in a weird way. But yeah, I have a lot of issues with the, again, it's coming off the rails. Like they just are losing control because there's too many, they've got their hands in too many pots.
Starting point is 00:18:35 Wait, did Black Widow come out after Endgame? Yes. But she did. It takes place before the events of Endgame. So it takes place while she's on the run, like somewhere in the world before Infinity War, basically. It's like between Civil War and Infinity War, basically. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:57 Which is one of the reasons why we're not watching it, because that's just so depressing and complicated. And we don't want to confuse you two. Thank you. Our brains are so very small. Mine hurts. Yeah, it hurts all the time. Another piece of news is the Miss Marvel Twitter account
Starting point is 00:19:15 posted a handwritten letter from Malala. Is that how I say her name? Thanking them for reflecting a Pakistani American family on screen. Wow. So she wrote this note. That's sweet. It's a handwritten note, and it says, It is not every day that I turn on the TV and find a character who eats the same foods,
Starting point is 00:19:34 listens to the same music, or uses the same Urdu phrases as me. What a joy to see Ms. Marvel reflect the lives of a Pakistani immigrant family and reveal a young superhero whose powers connect to her heritage. Thank you, Marvel and Disney+, and most importantly, Miss Marvel. Oh, how nice. Oh, that's sweet. That is very exciting. It's the power of a handwritten letter. Yeah. Also,
Starting point is 00:19:56 this cursive. It's nice. I know. Yeah. I don't write in cursive at all. Oh, I do often. Really? It is sort of... It's really disappointing that Malala, after all she's been through, is being forced to acknowledge the MCU.
Starting point is 00:20:14 I know. What are the other notes she's writing throughout the day? She just wrote a note to Ms. Marvel, but I'm sure she's got different things. I can't believe the MCU is the first time we're seeing this kind of representation on television. And it's sad. It is kind of wild.
Starting point is 00:20:28 That is crazy. But good for them. But good for them. And I've heard Ms. Marvel is so good. We got chills watching the trailer. We did. It's a definite improvement than the last couple of entries that they've had
Starting point is 00:20:42 in the TV side, for sure. I will say that. What is they've had in the TV side, for sure. I will say that. What is your favorite thing on the TV side? I think WandaVision was probably the best. WandaVision and Loki, I think, were the best and most realized versions of them. And I think that it's also partially because they were just at the start and they felt, at least WandaVision at the time, felt like the right amount of connected to the larger universe without it, while also allowing it to be its own thing. But now since Captain Marvel, sorry, Doctor Strange has come out, Doctor Strange weirdly sort of, I don't know, it minimizes her journey in WandaVision in a weird way that I didn't enjoy. I don't know it it minimizes her journey in wandavision in a weird way that like i didn't
Starting point is 00:21:25 enjoy i i don't know it it it complicates it certainly in a way that i don't necessarily think worked but i did enjoy the show and the movie don't come for me well the show i know is her like dealing with vision's death but i'm, at the end of Endgame, she seemed pretty okay. Yeah, I think it's a deeper exploration of her grief, which is really interesting. And Elizabeth Olsen, I will say, is amazing in both WandaVision and
Starting point is 00:21:55 Doctor Strange. She's such a great actress. She's so, so good. I think WandaVision is worth watching just for her performance alone, I think. But it's weird because in WandaVision is worth watching just for her performance alone, I think. But it's weird because, like, in WandaVision, she, like, comes to terms with the loss of her love, Vision, and also the loss of her fake children that she creates with magic. And then in Doctor Strange, it's like, never mind, she didn't.
Starting point is 00:22:22 Yeah, she's still real mad. That's sort of the problem that I have with what I mean when I talk about that it's sort of coming apart at the seams because what they're doing, and it actually reflects what happens in comic books a lot, where it's like you have the individual books, like the Scarlet Witch comic book,
Starting point is 00:22:39 a lot is going on in there. And then you introduce her in another, she has an arc in someone else's comic book and said, and it doesn't always connect. Like it doesn't always feel consistent and that is fine in comic books. But I think for the movies and the television shows, you do want a little bit more consistency over in terms of the growth that you're seeing these characters have. I will say in Endgame, a perfect example of this is Thor. Like the entire point of Ragnarok is that Thor grows as a person.
Starting point is 00:23:11 He decides to lead his people. He decides to step up and lead his people and like really get himself together. And then they completely ignore that growth in Endgame in order to make a visual fat joke, basically about Thor. I know. I was like, I didn't love that. And it's so annoying. It's so annoying.
Starting point is 00:23:29 And it's like nothing. Like, it's just like, okay. I thought that was really dumb. Because I also, I started liking his character in such a new way after Ragnarok. Yeah. And it did feel really cheap. Yeah. I also didn't understand the choice because he like kills thanos and then he like gets sad about his mom and gets sad about a whole bunch of other stuff and i was like why well and the thing is is there's certainly uh interesting story to tell about like his him feeling like a failure in all those ways but they didn't have the bandwidth to do it in this movie.
Starting point is 00:24:07 And so instead they decided to make him fat as a sort of funny joke. And it like, as like to just sort of truncate that story and sort of boil it down to that. And that is what I found like sort of, I don't know. It really did feel like the Russo brothers were like, fuck Ragnarok. We don't care about the growth that this character experienced. And like, we're just going to do our own thing and like have him go on his own journey in our movies
Starting point is 00:24:29 instead and that is where I'm like if you have a character that grows in a way that may be inconvenient for your story you should have to deal with it and like figure out a new way a new arc for your for this character to go on in your movie. Because then even at the end of Endgame, when he's like, he goes to Valkyrie and he's like, you should lead our people. It's like, no, that's like, I get that for story reasons, you want to put him off in space.
Starting point is 00:24:56 But like, that is the journey, like he came, like the whole thing in Ragnarok was like, he didn't want to lead. And then he decides to lead. And it's like, and again, we get back to this point where he's like, never like, he didn't want to lead. And then he decides to lead. And it's like, and again, we get back to this point where he's like, never mind. I don't want to lead anymore because it's this lame ass Massachusetts fishing village now and not a cool, cool, like all different planet. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:25:19 It really made me annoyed with that part. That is like my one big gripe, I think, with the movie is that storyline because it's just it feels like we're retreading stuff that happened in a different and one might argue better movie. I would argue. Yeah. Would you, Lauren? Would you argue? I would. I would fight about it. That was like my favorite one
Starting point is 00:25:40 possibly to watch, Ragnarok. I liked Ragnarok a lot. You know what I didn't like in this movie? I didn't like that Captain America went back in time and then just lived a life and then wouldn't tell anybody about it. Dude, I know. It seems rude. Also, it was insane when he's just old
Starting point is 00:25:53 and he's like, well... Well, now I got married and I am not telling you anything. You want to be Captain America now? But I did like how that was, like that five seconds to them, was that... I thought that was cool. That was cool. But then But I did like how that was like that five seconds to them. Was that? Yeah, I thought that was cool. That was cool. But then also I was like,
Starting point is 00:26:09 how come he didn't land back where he was supposed to? Where's his little super suit? What just happened? Why does he look like Joe Biden? He really did. Oh, wait, is he sitting on that bench because he didn't travel back and then just lived a life and then walked up to the bench?
Starting point is 00:26:25 What? And then was like, no, yeah, because he was like, I remember the day that I traveled back. Oh, yeah. And I'm just going to remember to go back to that. But he shouldn't have because he should have created an alternate reality. Exactly. So it doesn't make any sense. That part is a weird hole.
Starting point is 00:26:42 And it's the worst thing that's ever happened to me. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. But that is confusing because they had that whole the worst thing that's ever happened to me. Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. But that is confusing because they had that whole part where they were talking about how if you go to the future,
Starting point is 00:26:49 that's actually your past. So then how did he even show up there? Like it doesn't make any sense. They negated the rule that they set up. Yeah. Yeah. Because they wanted
Starting point is 00:26:58 to get rid of Chris Evans. And then I was like, oh, is Chris Evans leaving the MCU? Is this his end? Because he's literally old now and then he's to die, like a person, not a superhero. Yeah. I think it is, I think the people who left the MCU after this phase, it, like, the thing
Starting point is 00:27:15 is, is, like, I'm actually going to really miss Robert Downey Jr. Me too. I think his performance. Yeah. I think he's great as Iron Man. I think he's especially great in this movie. But at the same time, like, if they stayed, I do think, like, they went out on top,
Starting point is 00:27:29 which is the way you want to go. You know, like, you don't want to, like, you don't want to come back to Drag Race as an all-star and, like, sully your reputation, you know? Like, go out a winner. You know, and that's what I think they decided to do. Yeah, Robert Downey jr is so good in these movies so good he brings such a like rich like actor feeling to it all where he like adds so
Starting point is 00:27:52 much to every scene but that cgi where he was like sickly yeah that was pretty wild that was crazy but also he looked much better in this than he looked in Infinity War. In Infinity War, he looked a little like a little like feeling his age, a little thing. Yeah. And they kept putting him in flares and I was like, this is a choice. I often, I find that Marvel fans who are like, these movies should be nominated for Oscars
Starting point is 00:28:18 are a little obnoxious and I don't agree. I do think if anyone should have been nominated for their performance in these movies, it's Robert Downey Jr. I agree. I think in this movie he is actually quite wonderful and like there's a lot of layers I don't know I think he's funny I think the
Starting point is 00:28:33 death scene was very affecting I Cry. Yeah. The stuff with his dad I thought was very good like I think he was doing a lot and like you know we're probably just a few years away from somebody in a Marvel movie getting nominated for an Oscar and he just barely missed it but yeah
Starting point is 00:28:50 but like I wonder if they're gonna bring back Iron Man and that's like huge shoes to fill I feel bad for whoever does have to do that but like Iron Man will keep that character going it feels like the character doesn't have a ton to do though am I wrong? I guess not it's kind of like
Starting point is 00:29:05 we're repeating a lot of the same thing with him. There is a, I can't remember her name, and Leah, you might know this better than I, but they're basically
Starting point is 00:29:13 creating a new Iron Man. In the comic books, there is a young, black tech genius girl. Ooh. And it's like, is it Lionheart, Leah? What is it?
Starting point is 00:29:23 It's Ironheart. Ironheart. Ironheart Ironheart oh yeah Ironheart and so that character is it's filming I think right now actually okay that's
Starting point is 00:29:31 so cool she's a 15 year old engineer her name is Riri Williams Riri Williams yes this looks really cool
Starting point is 00:29:38 she's gonna be introduced in Wakanda Forever the Black Panther sequel and then go on to the TV it's like a like a backdoor pilot. That does feel like the perfect way to do that, though. Like, not even address Iron Man anymore.
Starting point is 00:29:51 Like, we move on to a whole new character. I love that. That's fun. Well, let's take a quick break, and we'll be right back with more Avengers Endgame. And we're back. Okay, this movie. Baby, this plot.
Starting point is 00:30:13 We're about to get into it hard. Oh, God. It was written by Christopher Marcus and Stephen McFeely and directed by Joe Russo and Anthony Russo and released April 26, 2019. All right, shall we? Yeah, okay. In 2018,. Shall we? Yup. Okay. In 2018, Clint Barron teaches his daughter archery and then suddenly
Starting point is 00:30:29 everyone except him turns to dust. About three weeks later, Tony Stark records a message for Pepper from the spaceship where he's stranded with Nebula. Suddenly, Carol Danvers, I'll never get over that this woman's name is Carol. She's like, I'm Carol. I'm Carol. My name is Carol. I was like, okay. Alright, Carol arrives outside the ship and pushes
Starting point is 00:30:47 them back to earth which is so funny and in that moment i was like carol could end this whole thing carol seems to be the strongest so and and you see this you see this play out a little bit at the end of the movie too when she comes back to save the day and it's it's the superman problem it's the problem that DC has had making Superman movies for years and years and years, which is you've created a character so powerful that it's really hard to create stakes and conflict for a character that is basically
Starting point is 00:31:16 the most powerful being in the universe in a lot of ways. It doesn't seem like, I don't know. And so the only thing you can do with her is send her into space for God knows what reasons. Yeah, why was she in space? She was like, I got a lot of things to do. What are you doing? This seems pretty pertinent. She also had her real hair in this part when she had her hair down,
Starting point is 00:31:38 which made it clear that we were debating whether it was a wig in the previous movie. I could tell the difference. And I actually knew that was really her hair now. Yeah think that's her hair and then the short hair the short hair boy oh boy that was a choice oh my god nobody bring her down this is this is not sitting on the head i know it was very poofed up in the back like suburban mom that's like one of those things they did to like honor the comic books but i was, not everything needs to honor the comic books. Yeah. And like sometimes
Starting point is 00:32:06 you have to just go with like what actually looks great on a person. And I just feel like that haircut was not great. Not it. Yeah. There are a lot of women
Starting point is 00:32:13 who can carry that haircut. For sure. There are. Yeah. There are a lot of them. And a lot of them are named Carol. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:21 Actually, yeah. Or John and Kate plus eight. Mm. Yeah. So, okay. They reun and Kate plus eight. Mm, yeah. So, okay, they reunite with other survivors of Thanos' snap, which is so funny that this whole thing is predicated on, like, a jazz snap. Pepper
Starting point is 00:32:33 Steve, Natasha Bruce, a roadie, and a rocket raccoon. That's his... That's that raccoon's full name. And the Avengers argue over how and why they lost the fight against Thanos. On one tip from Rocket and another from Nebula, Carol sets off to kill Thanos. A few Avengers join her and they find him alone and defenseless on another planet. Thanos tells them that he used the stones to destroy the stones so they can't reverse what he's done.
Starting point is 00:32:56 Furious, Thor beheads him. Gotta say, this felt very Shrek to me. Where he's just like in a garden, gathering things, making some soup. I was like, this is Shrek to me where he's just like in a garden gathering things making some soup I was like this is Shrek somebody needs to recut that part of the movie with all-star immediately oh my god if you're listening and know how to do that would be so funny I would say you you guys probably didn't watch the trailers for any of these movies while they were coming out or you certainly don't remember seeing them but I will give Marvel props that for the most part they're really
Starting point is 00:33:30 good at cutting trailers just using footage from the first like 30 minutes of the movie because like all the trailers for Endgame were scenes from like them preparing to go and find Thanos so you think going into Endgame that this movie isn't going to be about them
Starting point is 00:33:46 like tracking down Thanos and like killing him or getting the stones back or doing whatever they need to do. And then this happens within the first like 15 and you're like, oh shit. What exactly is this movie going to be about? Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:01 It was a very good twist. And then, okay, so five years later steve rogers now leads a support group i thought that was wild for those left behind yeah but then in san francisco scott lang escapes from the quantum realm which i guess happened at the end of ant-man oh this i'm reading okay where you become strapped at the end of ant-man and the wasp when a rat activates the quantum tunnel instead of louise's van he learns what happened to the world, reunites with his now teenage daughter, Cassie, and then goes to the Avengers compound. That I thought was like really smart.
Starting point is 00:34:29 I didn't see Ant-Man and the Wasp, but I was like, oh, okay, something happened at that point. But I like that I knew that he was gone or like supposedly gone. We need to back up really quick to this support group because Marvel made a lot of hay going into Endgame that there was going to be gay representation
Starting point is 00:34:50 in this film. Oh no, was it just the support group? Wait, was it just that man going on a date? It was just that man going on a date. And I believe, Leah, correct me if I'm wrong, that is one of the Russo brothers, right? It sure is. Oh. Yeah. Oh my God, that is really funny. One of the Russo brothers, one of the directors of the movie. They're like, don't worry, we? It sure is. Oh. That is really funny.
Starting point is 00:35:05 One of the Russo brothers, one of the directors of the movie. They're like, don't worry, we've got it covered. And they couldn't even throw some gay actor a bone. They couldn't even throw like, get Leslie Jordan in there. Oh boy, how funny that
Starting point is 00:35:22 would be. I went on a date with somebody. You're like like what is this movie this took a turn i would love it i would love it so yeah that was their big gay representation moment and it was so obnoxious so really wild i think like bill just like the first the first gay character in the mcu oh my god yeah hard to even call that a character. Wow. That's crazy. Nameless man. Nameless man who cried during dessert.
Starting point is 00:35:52 I hope it says that on his IMDb. The only time I cry during dessert is when I see the portions. They're small. Oh my god. Okay, so at the compound block, Widow checks in with other Avengers across the globe and galaxies.
Starting point is 00:36:08 Scott arrives and tells them that the five years he spent in the quantum realm only felt like five hours and that, therefore, it might be theoretically possible to travel back in time, retrieve the Infinity Stones, and bring everybody back by doing their own snap. To help with the physics,
Starting point is 00:36:23 the group goes to Tony Stark, who now lives in the woods with Pepper and their five-year-old daughter, Morgan. Tony initially declines and sends them away, but then later at night cracks the science in one go behind time travel and debates what to do. Meanwhile, the other Avengers recruit Bruce Banner,
Starting point is 00:36:38 who has somehow made peace with the Hulk and now lives as a smart Hulk hybrid. I literally was like to Mike, I'm like, why does he look like Mark Ruffalo now? And he was like, they'll explain it in a smart Hulk hybrid. I literally was like to Mike, I'm like, why does he look like Mark Ruffalo now? And he was like, they'll explain it in a second. Okay. It didn't quite make sense to me.
Starting point is 00:36:51 I was like, so he's just somewhere in between. Yeah. And like, then the part, well, which we'll get to when, what's her name from Dr.
Starting point is 00:37:00 Strange, the woman. Oh, Tilda Swinton. Yeah. Tilda Swinton. Yeahilda Swinton, yeah. When she like punches him out of himself,
Starting point is 00:37:07 I just was like, what's happening? And does he want to be in the Hulk body or would he rather be able to go back to himself? Because it felt like in that moment he was like mad
Starting point is 00:37:16 that they were separated. I don't know. I think the implication is that if he goes back to just being regular Mark Ruffalo, he will always have to deal with like when he gets angry, he becomes the Hulk. And so the answer is
Starting point is 00:37:30 to just be Hulk, but have his control over his emotions. So it's not that out of control thing where he loses himself within. I see. Yeah. I will say the scene of the Hulk and when Ant-Man is like, hey, do you want a picture of me too?
Starting point is 00:37:46 That is exactly what it's like going out with Bowen Yang in WeHo. We're like, everyone's like, Bowen, Bowen, Bowen. And I'm like, hi. I got to also pop in. I'm like, no, thank you. So they run some unsuccessful time travel tests on Scott Lang, which this went on for a little bit too long. He came back as a baby, a teen, an old man, and he peed himself before Tony shows up with a time travel GPS as well as Steve Rogers shield. And Nebula and Rocket rejoin the Avengers on Earth and they recruit the remaining members.
Starting point is 00:38:22 Bruce and Rocket travel to New Asgard in Norway and recruit Thor, who has fallen into a depression. Natasha goes to Tokyo to get Hawkeye, who has fallen down a dark path and has become a ruthless assassin targeting criminals who survived the snap. And they're dynamic. The snap will never not make me laugh. I'm so sorry. I know. When they get back to New York, Hawkeye volunteers to do the time travel test run, and it works. Now, what's going on with Natasha and Hawkeye? And Hawkeye's married. In the first minute, his family disappears. Then I feel like there was tension with Natasha all the time.
Starting point is 00:38:58 I think they had like something going on. At one point they were like, this isn't Russia. I don't know. They said like this is like Budapest. They have like a backstory there. Yeah, but it's like they are strictly friends. I think like and I think the fact that you struggle to see that is really it's really telling. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:19 Yeah. It really is telling about the way society has affected you. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, men and women can't be friends. Sorry about it. They fuck or they hit each other. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:30 I struggle with Jeremy Renner. I do. I like his haircut. No. As a person, I struggle with him. Oh, because I was picturing when it got all wet. But I do think he's good. Okay, wait.
Starting point is 00:39:38 Go ahead. What did you say? I just struggle with Jeremy Renner. It's sort of the Chris Pine of it all, where you know too much about who they are as real men. It becomes distracting to watch them on screen suddenly. Which makes the fact that Hawkeye is sort of the heart of the movie a little bit of a struggle for me.
Starting point is 00:40:00 I don't think I know much about Jeremy Renner. Oh, I know a few facts, and I want Joel to tell them more. Because I know that he flips houses. Oh. And I I know much about Jeremy Renner. Oh, I know a few facts and I want Joel to tell them more because I know that he flips houses. Oh. And I also know that he's a musician. Hard to believe he's a superhero flipping houses. And he also had an album. What? Of
Starting point is 00:40:15 music. Right? Yes, that is definitely true. He's just said a lot of really like not great things. I'm not familiar with his quotes. Yeah. He's had a couple of really douchey
Starting point is 00:40:32 quotes come out. He also had a social media site game that was all about him. Oh, yeah. I thought he had an app or a site. Yeah, it was about him. It was a Jeremy Renner app, and it was just about him. That's pretty funny. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you or a site. Yeah, it was about him. It was a Jeremy Renner app, and it was just about him. That's pretty funny.
Starting point is 00:40:46 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you got to love yourself. Yeah. He's just, we don't need to dwell too much on it. But he is not, he's a little bit of a douchebag. He's not for you. He's not for me.
Starting point is 00:41:04 But I do weirdly find that, even despite that, a lot of the stuff with Hawkeye very effective in the movie, I will say. When his family disappeared, I cried. It was sad, because I liked that littlest one with the big fluffy hair who was like, I like ketchup! And then he disappeared, and I was like, oh no.
Starting point is 00:41:19 Well, I knew something crazy was about to happen, because it was such a weird start to the movie, and then they were like, ketchup or mustard? I like ketchup. It was really slow, and I was like, what's going on? Something's about to happen because it was like such a weird start to the movie. And then they were like, ketchup or mustard? I like ketchup. It was like really slow. And I was like, what's going on? Something's about to happen. Of course, I'd forgotten that everyone was in the middle of disappearing into moths. But it was really crazy.
Starting point is 00:41:35 And then I was like, if I were him, I would wish that I had just disappeared because that would be horrible. Your whole family's just gone. I can't. Well, that's why he started murdering. So the Avengers plan out their time heist using their past to pinpoint destinations for Infinity Stones. Thor explains that the Reality Stone was on Asgard
Starting point is 00:41:53 in 2013, essentially summarizing the events of Thor Dark World. Nebula and Rocket know from Guardians of the Galaxy and Infinity War that the Power and Soul Stones are on Morag and Vormir, respectively. The other stones, they're all in New York in 2012. Loki had the Mine and Space stone during the Avengers,
Starting point is 00:42:12 and as far as I know, Doctor Strange had the Time stone a few blocks downtown. And then I didn't understand, I mean, I guess I'll get to the part where they talk to Tilda Swinton, but like, when he gets there and then she's like, he hasn't come here yet. I'm like, wait, does she know all the past and future at the same time? I think it's implied that she has like some insight into what's going to happen. Yeah, like in the same way that Stephen Strange
Starting point is 00:42:35 knows like what's going to, like all the different many things that could happen. I think like wearing the time stone sort of gives you a spoiler. But why didn't she know about Thanos and Stephen Strange giving, she was like, he must have given it for a reason. Like, how come she didn't just know that? You know, that's a good question that I do not have an answer to.
Starting point is 00:42:59 And that is a note that you should have given in the room. Yes, yes. I foolishly was quiet in the room. Okay. They split into three teams. Rogers, Stark, Banner, and Lang arrive at the Battle of New York. Bruce Banner goes to the Sanctum Santorum and finds the Ancient One there because Doctor Strange hasn't happened yet.
Starting point is 00:43:21 And they bargain and brainstorm for the Time Stone. And the Ancient One warns against creating branch alternate realities. At Stark Tower, Scott and Tony attempt to steal the Tesseract, a.k.a. the Space Stone, but loses it to Loki, who uses it to escape. Steve obtains the Scepter, a.k.a. the Mind Stone, after first pretending to be an undercover HYDRA agent,
Starting point is 00:43:40 then fighting his 2012 self. That part was wild. Yeah. It was great. And I do love that they call out his ass. Like him looking at his own ass. The scene that launched a thousand fan fictions of just Steve Rogers fucking himself on the ground. I mean, he does have a good butt when he's laying there
Starting point is 00:44:05 on the ground. I was like, that is a nice little rub. Yeah. It makes me horny to this day. Yeah, it made me pretty horny too.
Starting point is 00:44:12 I was like, yum, yum, yum. So, Tony, Steve, Bruce, and Scott rendezvous. Bruce and Scott go back to the present,
Starting point is 00:44:20 forced to improvise. Steve and Tony go to a SHIELD base in New Jersey in 1970. Did, was that Stan Lee in the car did they cgi him in there yeah i think he's he he hadn't died yet i don't know he hadn't no he had he died he had right he died right before captain marble oh okay because that was pretty wild i mean but also they filmed these all at the same time. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:47 I don't think they're doing, I don't think they're digitally inserting Stan Lee anymore. Like, I don't think that's a thing that they're doing. So I think he probably filmed this before. I don't know. It would be so weird if they were digitally inserting him. I don't like that at all. I don't like that.
Starting point is 00:45:02 I'm looking at a picture where it looks like they're filming it and he's sitting there. I can't tell, though, because I don't know what's real in the world. That all might be fake, too. Oh, my God. Okay, so they know Howard Stark is studying the Tesseract and Hank Pym is developing Pym particles. It's so funny that they're all just in the same building. They are successful, but Steve is distracted by Peggy Carter. And Tony runs into his own
Starting point is 00:45:25 daddy and his father's butler Jarvis. Yeah. Oh, wait. Who's Jarvis? Wasn't his character, wasn't his like thing named Jarvis that he used? Yes. The computer was named after this man. Oh, I see.
Starting point is 00:45:40 And the part with his dad where he's like, I hope I don't have a son. He'll be just like, or he'll be just like me. And I was like, oh no. Whoops, whoops, whoops, whoops. You're telling the exact wrong person. So Thor and Rocket arrive on Asgard in 2013 and Thor has a panic attack when he sees his mother, Frigga. Her name is Frigga? Moments before he knows she'll be killed. Big Frigga.
Starting point is 00:46:08 So Rocket goes to get the eighth there, aka the reality stone, while Thor talks to Frigga. Before they leave, Thor summons Mjolnir and takes that with him as well. I thought the moment
Starting point is 00:46:18 with his mom was really nice. It was really sweet. This is also confusing, though, because, like, in that timeline, like, is Thor just missing his hammer now? It's a chaotic thing for him to do because he doesn't know that they're going to go. Thor does not know that Bruce has decided to take back all of the stones to, like, close loops.
Starting point is 00:46:37 He doesn't know that that's the plan. So I because, like, at the end, you see Steve has the hammer and he's going to take it back. But Thor didn't know that was the plan. So for all he knows, yeah, he's just left another Thor without a hammer. Yeah. Interesting. I feel like when I watched this, I thought everything connected and it made sense.
Starting point is 00:46:55 And now I'm going, oh, I guess there was something. But then I was like, there was a point where Thor didn't have a hammer, but it landed in the middle of somewhere and that's where he meets Natalie Portman. So yeah, that doesn't... Can I also share that the reshoot Natalie Portman did was not the scene with
Starting point is 00:47:11 Rocket Raccoon. That was old footage from when she actually shot Thor The Dark World. The reshoot was just her in the hallway with the maids walking into the room. That was what they called Natalie the Portman back to set. To walk down a hall?
Starting point is 00:47:28 To walk down a hall. And quite honestly, I'm sure she probably was like, whatever it is, just make it me walking down a hall. Like Natalie Portman was like, and I'm sure she got paid a million dollars. Well, that's what I was thinking. I'm like, how much do you get paid for just to
Starting point is 00:47:44 pop in for a day at that point? Oh, my God. What is a day rate when you're Natalie Portman? Yeah. I know. SAG minimum. SAG minimum. She got $1,500. Or is it $1,500? I mean, I don't know. Arriving
Starting point is 00:47:59 in space in 2014, Clint, Natasha, Nebula, and Rhodey split into two teams. Clint and Natasha head for Vormir, while Ne and roadie wait for peter quill to arrive on morag and steal the org aka the power stone but 2014 stanis nebula and gamora who has not yet met peter quill and is not yet a guardian they're also looking for the power stone on morag and then they detect the other nebula which i was like oh no nebula you're that was a liability i didn't like that me either roadie gets away but 2023 nebula is captured um 2014 thanos learns of the avengers future plans and sends 2014 nebula back to 2023 as a spy i feel like with nebula wasn't it in what movie was it
Starting point is 00:48:41 the one before this i guess the avengers before this where she's like hanging and being tortured. I hate the visual of her hanging like that. I don't like it either. It seems so painful and awful even though she's not real or something. I don't really understand what she is. She's like a cyborg with feelings? She used to be like a humanoid
Starting point is 00:49:00 but then every time she lost or did something bad, he would replace one of her parts with an android part in order to make her better. And that's why she is the way she is. It's kind of Wizard of Oz-ish. She's the Tin Man. Yes, exactly that. All right, I get it now.
Starting point is 00:49:24 It makes sense in ways that no one understands. Meanwhile, Clint and Natasha arrive on Vormir. They meet Red Skull, learn that one of them must die in order for the other to obtain the Soul Stone, and the two fight over which of them should sacrifice themselves. Nat wins, so to speak, and jumps off the cliff to her death. Also hated that. I hated that, too. I saw this with Bowen in the theaters
Starting point is 00:49:45 and we were screaming. I thought it was so, so funny. The escalation of like, the like constant escalation of like, you not knowing which one of them was going to do. It was so, so funny. It was like, I thought it was hilarious and I thought it was so well done.
Starting point is 00:50:03 And then deeply affecting when it was, did end up being that. And I will say they they did a pretty good job. Like, I really could have seen it going either way. It was like, yeah. And I really did think it was going to be a Shantae, you both stay sort of moment. But, you know, it was one of those close lip syncs. Yeah. So Clint returns to the present with the other Avengers,
Starting point is 00:50:29 minus Natasha, including 2013 Nebula and the Stones. They construct a new gauntlet, and Bruce Banner volunteers to do the snap elsewhere. 2014 Nebula opens a portal, bringing 2014 Thanos to Earth. Just as the Avengers realize their snap was successful, 2014 Thanos attacks. Wait, can I, I have a question actually, Leah. I'm not quite clear on how they time traveled.
Starting point is 00:50:55 So Nebula takes the Pym particle and then she sneaks away while Bruce is snapping and opens. She puts her fingies. She fingers a computer. Yeah. And opens the machine again to let Thanos through. Oh, all of them though?
Starting point is 00:51:12 Like the big ships and everything? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know about them, but I, but that's like the main ship. Got it. Okay. That makes it. Oh, I do remember that part now.
Starting point is 00:51:22 And I feel stupid for asking, but I just like the whole army that with, I guess, was like confusing to me how they all got there. Yeah, I'm less clear on that. Okay, okay. Well, it's not important. Let's continue. Well, you know we can't tell you. On Thanos' ship, 2023 Nebula convinces 2014 Gamora to switch sides. So, oh my God.
Starting point is 00:51:46 The Avengers are scattered and scramble to escape from rubble. 2023 Nebula kills 2014 Nebula. Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor confront Thanos and start a fight, during which Cap summons and wields Mjolnir, but Thanos slashes his shield in half and summons his army. But then Steve gets a message over comms from Sam Wilson and portals start appearing all around them, orchestrated by Doctor Strange. Sorcerers bring every Avenger and Guardian who Thanos snapped away. Allies like Wasp, Wong, Pepper Potts in a suit of armor, as well as armies from Wakanda, Asgard, Kamar-taj, Kamar-taj,
Starting point is 00:52:27 and more to the compound to fight Thanos' army. I liked it. It was fun. Yeah, this is when it was getting a little exciting. I find, look, I've seen almost every Marvel movie in theaters opening weekend, and Marvel fans are very apt to scream and cheer when certain things happen in movies.
Starting point is 00:52:46 And I will say most of the time, I am not down for that sort of behavior in the theater. But when Bowen and I saw this stoned out of our minds at an Alamo draft house in Austin, Texas, we screamed and cheered. We did. Because it was very effective. To react to these movies. I feel like that would help me if people were screaming around me while I watched them. Yeah, to be like, oh, this is good. This is good.
Starting point is 00:53:10 I like it. Yeah. It was fun, though. But I will say, can I say, so this battle goes on and there's lots of casualties only in the non-superhero people that they bring. Like a lot of Wakanda people die. A lot of Kamar-Taj people die. A lot of Kamar Taj people die. A lot of, you know, every, all of them die. Could you imagine if you came back from the snap
Starting point is 00:53:31 and then immediately died in the battle? That would be so annoying. I'd be so pissed. I'd be like, this is so annoying. I literally just got back and now I'm dead? Like what? Now I'm dead again? Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:53:45 Oh, yeah. And no one is snapping me back this time, babe. Now it's for real, I guess. It's for real? I got stomped by a little monster? Oh. Okay, so Bruce orders they keep the gauntlet and the quantum tunnel safe so they can return the stones and eliminate alternate realities. This starts a relay race to get the gauntlet and the quantum tunnel safe so they can return the stones and eliminate alternate realities.
Starting point is 00:54:06 This starts a relay race to get the gauntlet to the Ant-Man in Luis's van. From Clint to T'Challa to Spider-Man, Wanda attacks Thanos for visiting Thanos. I gave him like a really Greek name. Yeah, Thanos. Attacks Thanos for killing Vision. He orders a missile strike, which is stopped by none other than Carol Danvers arriving late. She's like, I just got out of the salon. I just had to get a haircut.
Starting point is 00:54:30 So I will say the like passing of the gauntlet that those sorts of sequences. That is why I like the team movies, like the movies with a lot of the superheroes, because you get everyone gets their little moment and it's like it is a lot it is like scratching a very primal like itch in my brain to like watch superheroes like work together in tandem together and like those moments I just watched and I will say watching it again I teared up when I saw Chadwick Boseman yeah I did he was so good so good. I have a question. So I'm going back a little bit. When Peter Parker is like, I guess I just like took a nap. And then we were there for like five minutes. I was like, how come he's saying, I guess I took a nap. Why doesn't this little boy know what's going on? How come nobody explained shit to him, but then he was explaining everything. He was snapped back. And like to him, it's like, you know how sometimes you close your eyes and
Starting point is 00:55:24 you wake up and it's 4 p.m. and you're like, oh my God, I'm late. You know, like it's like you know how sometimes you close your eyes and you wake up and it's 4 p.m and you're like oh my god i'm late you know like it's like that but it happened across five years and then there is there was no time because dr strange is like we gotta go we gotta help and so he just didn't you know and he's a teenager he's dumb he's a little giddy he'll catch on later yeah um okay so car, with an assist from the ladies, gets the gauntlet from Spider-Man. This fucking ladies, let's get in formation moment is so... It is Disney at its worst, I will say.
Starting point is 00:56:00 It's like Disney flexing and being like, look at all the female representation that we have. Look at all these female side characters that we've created across many different films. Like, yeah, right. It is so annoying. And it also doesn't actually make sense in the it didn't feel organic at all because like Wasp is there. And it's like, wait a minute. Wasp was all the way over in the van.
Starting point is 00:56:23 So you're telling me Wasp was like, oh my god, the girls are getting together. I have to go. I'm so sorry. My girls are getting together. I gotta go and do that. I gotta get in the girl group pic. I'm so sorry. You guys, I wasn't even here yet. You started walking. And I don't mean to be a bitch
Starting point is 00:56:39 about this, because I'm sure that for some little girls out there, that was very affecting, and it worked. But just from a purely like story standpoint I was just like there is no reason to do this in this moment and and if you did want to do it there had to be a better way to like organically get all of the women there and like to make it such a moment to sort of takes away from it it's like yeah just have, just have, just have it happen. We're all,
Starting point is 00:57:07 it just happens that all the female superheroes are there. And it's like, not like putting a spotlight on it in the way that they did just made it seem like, look at all the good we do. Look at all the good we do. And it's like, just let it happen.
Starting point is 00:57:23 Like let it happen organically. There is a moment like that in Infinity War. There's a moment in that battle where I think it's like Black Widow and Okoye and then Wanda comes over. And they're fighting Carrie Coon. And it is just a lovely little, oh, it's all ladies here. That's kind of cool. It's different. here that's kind of cool it's different and it doesn't make it doesn't make a point of like highlighting it in a way that like is like this is a this is a win for feminism it just like lets
Starting point is 00:57:51 you it just lets you wash over it you know you know it washes over you in a really subtle way which is like much more effective i think than what this beyonce moment is. So they're trying to get to the van. Thanos destroys the van. Tony, Steve, Thor, and Carol fight off Thanos to keep him from the gauntlet. Tony asks Doctor Strange if they're doing the right thing.
Starting point is 00:58:15 He hints that they are. Tony grabs the gauntlet and distracts Thanos while transferring the stones to his own suit. Tony then snaps, turning Thanos and his army to dust and dies.
Starting point is 00:58:26 Surrounded by the Avengers and his wife yeah i didn't like that like i was very sad i was like oh god no and it's like real is that um just you're spoiled she sure did yeah that's why oh my god that's so funny she sure did that's such a big spoiler it was and i And I knew going in what was going to happen, but it was, it happened in such a way that I was still like kind of taken off guard. And I was like, Oh God, this is very sad.
Starting point is 00:58:54 I know. Well, so then we have the funeral. So later at Tony and Pepper's cabin, the Avengers hold a funeral in new Asgard. Thor appoints Valkyrie as their people's new King and leaves with the guardians. Finally, Steve prepares to travel through time and return each stone and mule near.
Starting point is 00:59:09 When he doesn't return, Sam and Bucky discover an older Steve sitting on a bench. He reveals that he decided to break the rules and retire and passes the shield to Sam. In a past moment, we see him dancing with Peggy Carter. I mean, I think that's really sweet. I thought it was sweet, but I was like, so did none of the Captain America stuff happen? What does that mean for what did happen? The branching timeline that he created
Starting point is 00:59:34 so that he could, like, get laid. I, yeah. It's also rude because he went to the Smithsonian and he saw her in a documentary talk about how she had, like, a husband and kids, and he saw her in a documentary talk about how she had like a husband and kids. And he said, whatever. Oh, my God. Right.
Starting point is 00:59:50 No, no. We really are. Me. She's like, no, me. Yeah. I will say the level of detail in the funeral. I will give it to them. They even brought back the little boy from Iron Man three.
Starting point is 01:00:04 Like he is at that funeral. Okay, I was wondering if there was a boy, and I was like, who's that supposed to be? Yeah. It is the boy from Iron Man 3. The one that he, like, teams up with and helps. Oh, you didn't see 3. Right? Yeah. No. So, in Iron Man 3, there is, like,
Starting point is 01:00:20 a child character that helps Tony sort of, like, get back in touch with himself in a, in a very specific way. And like they, they form a close bond in Iron Man three and, and he ends up at the funeral as well. And other fun facts,
Starting point is 01:00:34 none of those actors knew whose funeral they were at or if it was actually a funeral. So they were all shot separately. Yeah, they were all, I don't know if they were shot separately. No, they were just told they were shooting a funeral scene. No, actually they were told they were shooting a separately. Yeah, they were. I don't know if they were shot separately. No, they were just told they were shooting a funeral scene.
Starting point is 01:00:46 No, actually, they were told they were shooting a wedding. Yes. And that's why they were in formal wear. Wow. You know how you go to a wedding in a black dress? Yeah. And then that was like they were doing all the takes and then they're like, actually, can we get one where you all look sad? Don't question it.
Starting point is 01:01:03 Yeah, this is just for funsies. How funny. Yeah. That is the goofiness of Marvel, but I love it. I do love it. Wow. That's fun to be doing something you have no idea what it is.
Starting point is 01:01:15 That also helps Gwyneth Paltrow's point that she was like, where am I? Because there are probably times they just don't explain anything. Yeah, no, exactly. Or like, it's fine. It's fine. It's fine. Just say the lines.
Starting point is 01:01:23 Just say the lines. Who could possibly blame her? I mean, not I. Okay, so in terms of awards, Endgame was nominated for an Oscar for Best Visual Effects and won in that category at the Critics' Choice Awards. It also was nominated for Best Score at the Grammys. Awards trivia,
Starting point is 01:01:39 Endgame is the first film to be the highest grossing film of all time upon release that didn't win an Oscar. Oh. With the reception of the film, Endgame grossed $2.798 billion worldwide, becoming the highest grossing film of all time. It was surpassed in 2021 by a re-release in China of 2009's Avatar. That's insane. That's crazy. It was a re-release.
Starting point is 01:02:06 The film opened at $1.2 billion worldwide, which is the biggest opening numbers of all time and nearly doubled the previous record, which was held by Avengers Infinity War.
Starting point is 01:02:16 That's so much money. Endgame has a high approval rating on Rotten Tomatoes, holding a 94% approval. Audience polled on CinemaScore, giving the film
Starting point is 01:02:23 a rare A-plus grade. Wow, they love it. Love it. We gotta take a break. Now we're back from that break trivia yeah so when endgame surpassed titanic's box office total director james cameron sent a congratulatory message to kevin feige and marvel studios along with a photo of the avengers a as the iceberg sinking the titanic okay so on that wow you know Titanic. Okay, so Anya. Cat. Wow. You know what? I would rather James Cameron be working on Avatar 2 instead of sending messages to people because I've been waiting.
Starting point is 01:03:11 Photoshopping. Yeah. Been waiting. Sitting at the Photoshop. Endgame is the longest movie in the MCU and also the longest movie of all of the cast's careers. I mean, I'm sure that's true. It's like very rare to do a movie
Starting point is 01:03:26 that's over three hours. Yeah. Robert Downey Jr. was the only actor who read the entire script, but they were all sent the script. No, I'm just kidding. I don't know. I guess he was the only one.
Starting point is 01:03:37 He was the only one who was sent it, probably. Because he had to be died. He had to be dead. As we mentioned in previous episodes, this film was shot back to back with Avengers Infinity War over the period of 200 days. Wow, that's long. What?
Starting point is 01:03:52 Oh my God. Evangeline Lilly and Paul Rudd also filmed Ant-Man and the Wasp at the same time as this film? I'm like, what's going on? My God. And even though Captain Marvel was released a month before Endgame, Brie Larson shot her scenes for this movie first. The scene at the Avengers headquarters was Larson's first day on set as Carol Danvers.
Starting point is 01:04:12 Captain Marvel's directors, Anna Boden and Ryan Fleek, were there to ensure consistency between the films. But that's why her hair was her regular hair in this one. In the movie, they made it wigs. Probably so it's easier to deal with. It's a good thing that they did that with her character because she's not a character. So it didn't really matter. There wasn't much consistency.
Starting point is 01:04:34 That is true. There's not a lot to the character. I wish the character had more personality. Like they don't give her a lot to play with. No. In fact, the whole point of Captain Marvel in her movie is that she's a cypher. She doesn't remember who she is.
Starting point is 01:04:49 Right. I could go on. That's true because they show all her memories where she's fun and doing things. Yeah, and she's like, I don't know how to have fun. I don't do karaoke. I was just about to say, I can't do karaoke anymore. I would never. Here's a new segment.
Starting point is 01:05:05 Is Chris in this? You better believe this movie had all the Chris's. A Hemsworth, an Evans, a Pratt, a Pine. A Pine? Oh no, he wasn't. No. A Pine? No. No, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:05:23 Not Pine. I was thinking of Pratt. I was literally imagining him dancing. I'm like, oh, wait, no, that was a different movie. No, that was what I was thinking of. Chris Pine is never in these movies. We don't know. I think he's in Star Trek. Yeah, who is that?
Starting point is 01:05:33 Okay, great. And he's in Wonder Woman. He's in Wonder Woman. Yes, yes, yes. So is there any other Chris, Joel, that you would love to see in this that could be a Christine, a Kristen, any Chrissy, you know?
Starting point is 01:05:45 I actually am surprised that she's not in it but a Christine Baranski moment in one of these films we need her to be I would love her in this could be really great yeah no another segment is is kiss in this this is a scene a segment where we talk about if there was a kiss in the film and was there
Starting point is 01:06:01 a kiss there wasn't but I was really hoping that Tilda Swintz, after she got or after she gave Bruce the Infinity Stone, I wanted her to just like kiss his little nipple. She was right there. Do Peggy and Steve not kiss at the end of the movie? Oh, they do. They definitely do.
Starting point is 01:06:18 That's nice. That was a good romantic plot of the film. It was. Okay, here's our segment, Five Stark Industries, where we read positive reviews of our own podcast. It didn't seem insane until it was phrased that way. I know. Five stars from Cheesemade28G. This show is going to get me fired.
Starting point is 01:06:40 Made the mistake of listening at work and I nearly spat my coffee out all over my desk. My co-workers are starting to give me weird looks because I'm unsuccessfully trying to stifle my laughs worth it oh thanks love that so in addition to apple reviews we are also going to read reviews from letterbox and give a one sentence review and a star rating okay this is by number one gizmo fan make a three-hour ant-man movie and you'll have my respect. Pretty funny. You know what? I wouldn't be mad at that because I really enjoy it. I loved Ant-Man.
Starting point is 01:07:09 My favorite part in the movie is when he was like, flick me and he bent right over. Oh my God, that was hilarious when he flicked him. So funny. That was really funny.
Starting point is 01:07:17 Okay, so this other one is from former movie enjoyer, three and a half stars. After much deliberation, I'm ready to speak my truth. I think the Hulk looks kind of hot in this movie. this movie well look you don't have to deliberate much at all he looked hot in other movies where we saw him in a towel yeah we like hulk the hulk is hot but can you i just like that's an anal fissure waiting to happen i'm sorry i like there's just not enough
Starting point is 01:07:40 lube in the world like the pain is out of control. I mean, I would take it because I need to know what it feels like. I would do it. I would just do it. It's truly got to be like four Coke cans. There are Hulk dildos out there that are like supposed to look like what it might actually look like. We've never typed so fast in our life. It's on Etsy. It's on our lives. It's on Etsy. It's on Etsy.
Starting point is 01:08:06 It is on Etsy. That was my first. Oh, oh, oh. Wow. Okay, like some of them are good and some of them are not good. I have some notes on some of these, but there's one that is really shiny.
Starting point is 01:08:19 Do you see that one? Yeah. The first one that appears, it is $345 is wild. It has. This is incredible. It has. Does he have balls? This is also pretty. It's like squat. Yeah, I'm looking at that one. I don't like that one. Yeah, that one is, first of all, so expensive. The balls are like an extra Play-Doh sack attached to it like what's happening and it's nine and a half inches oh wait usable length is only six inches maximum because the balls maximum girth is uh three and a half inches okay the head is 2.4 the head girth i don't love um the description is you will love me when i'm angry
Starting point is 01:09:06 oh my god oh my god that's wild there's only one review amazing quality super fast shipping well it's really expensive i feel like that many people are buying that thing also this product is so gigantic it won't fit into their standard dildo packaging. So what, it gets in a big box? A dildo, oh, dildo, I think is the company, you get a drawstring sport pack for free! That you can wear on your back?
Starting point is 01:09:35 I guess so. Like, where are you off to? When the dildo needs a backpack. That moment when the dildo needs a backpack. That feeling when. No. Oh, my God. Okay, Joel, what is your one-sentence review and star rating of this film?
Starting point is 01:09:55 I'm going to say my one-sentence review for this movie is it is for little boys like me and um and and in this case boy is non-gendered let me be very clear let me be very clear i mean spiritually um and i'm gonna give this is it how out of how many stars five five four for sure good okay um i'm gonna give it Five. Four. For sure. Good. Okay. I'm going to give it, God, it's so hard to give these really high scores because I'm also going like, why am I watching this? You know, I have a hard time focusing.
Starting point is 01:10:35 Compared to other things, I'm like, I did think it was like a smartly, okay, so I'm going to say, smartly written, complicated storylines, loved the romance. I'll give it four stars. I don't remember what I gave Infinity War. I know, that's the thing.
Starting point is 01:10:58 I'm like, I don't have my bar figured out. Yeah, I'm gonna give it four and a half stars. I really liked it. Okay, so my one sentence review was they explained where the dust people went and I like that good time good time
Starting point is 01:11:12 oh my god we did it well Joel you're so awesome thank you for doing this thank you for having me what would you like to plug she said it up top. Watch Fire Island on Hulu.
Starting point is 01:11:28 Watch my stand-up special on Netflix, Psychosexual on Netflix. And watch Loot on Apple TV+. So many good things. Yes, so many wonderful things. I'm so excited to watch your special.
Starting point is 01:11:38 It's out now? Me too. It's out June 21st, so I think by the time this... Yes, yes, yes. Ugh, I'm so excited. Yay! That's so awesome. Yeah, it was like a joy to... I know I didn't watch you work out the whole thing. So I think by the time this airs, it will be out. That's so awesome.
Starting point is 01:11:45 Yeah, it was like a joy to like, I know I didn't want you to like work out the whole thing, but like I've seen you perform so many times. So I'm like excited to see what jokes I know made it in. I'm just so proud of you. And like, it feels so good. Thank you. Saying I'm proud sounds wild,
Starting point is 01:11:58 but I'm so joyful for your success. I love you, Joel. Thank you so much. That's a really nice way of saying that. Thank you. That's so sweet. Thank you. I really appreciate that. Thank you so much. That's a really nice way of saying that. Thank you. That's so sweet. Thank you. I really appreciate that.
Starting point is 01:12:06 It's so exciting. And okay, we'll be back next week with WandaVision. See you then. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye. Thank you. That was a HidGum Original.

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