Newcomers: Sports, with Nicole Byer and Lauren Lapkus - The Dark Knight Rises (w/ Jason Mantzoukas)

Episode Date: February 27, 2024

Lauren and Nicole take on the third Christopher Nolan installment covering The Dark Knight Rises (2012) with very special guest Jason Mantzoukas (How Did This Get Made? The League, Big Mouth, Brooklyn Nine-Nine) and discuss very important subjects such as the musical relationship between Batman and Prince, the intricacies of Bane’s voice, and (unrelated) the wonder of the television show Alone.Next week's movie: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Extended Version) (2016)Like the show? Rate Newcomers 5 stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Nicole and Lauren to read on the pod!Follow the podcast on Letterboxd.Advertise on Newcomers via Gumball.fmSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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A war hero. This is peacetime. You think this can last? There's a storm coming, Mr. Wayne. You and your friends better batten down the hatches. Because when it hits, you're all going to wonder how you ever thought you could live so large and leave so little for the rest of us. You could live so large and leave so little for the rest of us. What does that mean? Rise.

When Gotham is ashes, you have my permission to die. The Dark Knight Rises. I'm Lauren Lapkus. And I'm insane. I'm Lauren Lapkus. And I'm insane. I'm Nicole Byer. And this season of Newcomers, we're covering the Batman movies. We sure are. This is going to be 14 episodes culminating in a very exciting, explosive live stream episode. And we don't know what's going to happen.

Also, we're not going to be able to cover as much as, or no, we're going to cover as much as we can to get an overview of the franchise, but there's so much shit, we're not going to get to everything. No, and this is the ninth episode of the sixth season, so we're working our way through the movies with fellow newcomers, super fans, sometimes even people who've contributed to the films, and today we are discussing the third Christopher Nolan Batman movie, The Dark Knight Rises, also starring Christian Bale. Now, for all intents and purposes, I should be happy about that. Should be. Because I like him and I liked...

But he was a little prune in the beginning of the movie, a little raisin. We gotta get into it. Well, okay, if you want to watch this movie, it's on Max. It's on Prime Video. You can watch it for a fee on Apple TV+, Google Play, and Vudu. And we are so excited for our guest today. Ooh, he's an actor, writer, comedian, and

podcaster that you know from The League, Parks and Rec, Brooklyn Nine-Nine, The Good Place, Big Mouth, and he's one of the hosts of How Did This Get Made? And of course, you know him as the voice of Scarecrow. Oh! Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! know him as the voice of Scarecrow. Oh! In the Lego Batman movie, which we're going to watch in a few weeks, it's Jason Mantzoukas!

Okay, well, we're like, of course you know, but we don't. We don't. Never seen it. I love it. That was the most genuine and wonderful reaction I've ever seen. You play Scarecrow? That's really fun. That's a fun character.

I do play Scarecrow in the Lego Batman movie. That's a fun character. I do play Scarecrow in the Lego Batman movie. I will say it is very few lines. It is very few lines, but they were a blast. I actually play a couple of different voices in that movie.

Fun. That's fun. It was a blast. It was a blast. And that movie, you haven't seen yet, right? No, not at all. I mean, it's wonderful.

Like, truly wonderful. The Lego movie. I saw the Lego movie. I saw the Lego movie. That's cute and funny. Yes, and it's that Batman. The Batman that's in that. Yes. The Lego movie. I saw the Lego movie. I saw the Lego movie. That's cute and funny. Yes. And it's that Batman, the Batman that's in that. Yes.

Oh, okay. It's a Batman story that is just for, in his kind of, all of his rogues gallery of bad guys, everybody, Batman related. That's fun. Wow. And there's a rob in it. Guys, you're going to like it. I'm excited.

Do they do his parents' death in Lego? Oh, yes. Okay. Well, that's fun. That's fun. And there's a rob in it. Guys, you're going to like it. I'm excited. Do they do his parents deaf in Lego? Oh, yes. Okay. Well, that's fun. That's fun. And it's somehow even more bloody than the Nolan movies. Really? No, it's not.

Oh, I was like, cool. I was like, wow. Little red circles. Little red circles. Well, okay. What is your relationship to the character of Batman? Are you particularly invested? well okay what is your what is your relationship to the character of Batman do you are you particularly

okay invested so not unlike our time together in the MCU I was reminiscing about that because you actually

which episode did you do I don't remember me neither but I was reminiscing about how maybe Winter Soldier it was one of the or Civil War

Winter Soldier or Civil War I think it was one of the two movies but I was just thinking about how you helped us like it more and I was wondering if that's going to happen here today so I similarly

have a very long standing history with Batman as truly first and foremost a comic book character I read Batman I still read Batman comics I still get Batman comics delivered to me every you me every couple of weeks. I've seen all the movies.

But Batman is a character that is beloved to me. So I'm thrilled to be here talking about Batman. So did you like Batman when he was just a detective? I love Batman as a detective. I love Batman as the world's greatest detective. I just learned he was a detective. Before he had anything. I love Batman as world's greatest detective. Wow. I just learned he was a detective. We recently learned that.

Yeah. Well, I mean, what they're saying about him, like, isn't that he, like, spent time, like, you know, like a hat, like an old school detective. But that's his skill set. Ah. Is as a detective. You can't pull one over on Batman because he's such a good detective that he figures everything out. And that's how Batman, who has no superpowers or anything, can outsmart all the time. And in certain instances, beat people who have, like people like Superman or Wonder Woman, people who have enormous capabilities. And in the face of his just cleverness and ability to figure out what's going on.

Yeah, Greg. What's your favorite Batman movie? I would have loved to come in for The Mask of the Phantasm. Everyone likes that one. We were so thrown. How is it great? I love it. I love it.

Did you not like it? No. I had to restart it eight times. No, it was really slow. Because I kept falling asleep and it was slow. Oh, that's too bad. I wonder if Mask of the Phantasm works better if you're a Batman fan. I wonder if that's partially why I like it so much.

It feels like everyone who likes it is a fan. Do you find animated movies in general not to your liking? Like, was any part of your dislike partially because you're like, I don't like no and i like the anime i like how it looks stylistically yeah i just the story and it felt really slow yeah yeah and the time jumps were a little like not confusing no i get all of that um tim burton's batman the first batman is the batman, as a kid, waited online to see to a degree that was like the hype was you can't even understand what it was to to go see Batman and the Prince soundtrack. And, you know, waiting online around the movie. Like, I remember the line went around the movie theater. Wow.

Like it was. That's exciting. You waited for hours to get access to see this movie. Like it was, you waited for hours to get access to see this movie. Yeah. And it was really the first superhero movie in my lifetime that was realized. The first comic book character, rather, who was brought to life in live action. That's cool. Which was cool.

And it must have been exciting to see Jack Nicholson's face. Incredible. Nicholson as the Joker was incredible. Keaton's Batman was great. Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman was absolutely iconic. I really liked the back end of Batman Returns. I liked Batman Returns more. But yeah, we liked Michael Keaton.

Yes. But I did appreciate them more when we got to Batman Forever and Batman and Robin, which I loved. But they were unhinged. Well, then you're getting into Joel Schumacher territory, and it's straight up bananas. I didn't like those. Yeah, Lauren, you know them.

I was like, you gotta watch Batman and Robin. It's unintelligible. No, it really is. I thought I meant that in a bad way, but I guffawed the Iceman comic. I have used some gifs of that recently, because I'm like, I don't even know if people know what I'm talking about when I send them, but I'm just like,

he's so dumb. Oh, it's crazy. And everybody's miserable too. In those old movies, everybody's so unhappy because it's all practical. It's all, like Michael Keaton couldn't turn his head

in any way, shape, or form. That's why Batman, if you watch him, is just like full torso movements in order to just see. Well, there's a joke in Batman Begins where he says to Morgan Freeman, he's like, I'd like to turn my head.

And that made me chuckle. That was one of the best ones so far. I loved, we loved Batman Begins. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It was so good yeah and then dark night rise or no dark night yes we liked but we thought batman begins was better than dark night yeah although heath's performance is incredible yeah takes it over the top yeah that's what was

special about it but this movie i didn't have i didn't i didn't find let's get into it okay so let's take a quick break we'll be back back with more. We're already taking a break. We take a break. We take a break here, but then we don't take a break for a long time. And we're back. So Dark Knight Rises was released July 16th, not June. Oh, wait. Were they all released in July?

I think they were July. Was it July or June? I don't remember. Anyway, 2012. Written by Christopher Nolan, Jonathan Nolan. It's a family affair. And David S. Goyer. And it was directed by Christopher Nolan.

And, of course, we want... Oh, you know what? We're not thanking the Batman fandom. No. We're thanking IMDb.com and Wikipedia for helping putting this summary together. So thank you, IMDb. I love that you are going to attempt to summarize this movie, which is Byzantine in its structure and actually pointless to, I think, try and explain.

That's great. That's a good, honestly, it's a good start. Very complicated and lots of twists and turns. That's a. Honestly, it's a good start. Very complicated and lots of twists and turns. That's a good word. I took a Byzantine art class in college. Oh, a busy art class. Busy art class. They gave me crayons.

What do you got? I got busy. I got busy all night. I got busy art. I got the busy art. And they never let me stop. Okay. We gotta jump in.

Of course, chime in whenever you want. Yes, whenever. Do you think that people tune in to the show to hear plot descriptions? Some people do. Because what, they don't watch the movies? They just want to hear the chat. Okay, got it. And then we explain our opinions and thoughts

as we're going through. It's more than just a summary. Oh, it's so much more. I say this because I'm looking at what looks to than just a summary I'm looking I say this because I'm looking at what looks to me to be I'm going to say 30 pages of plot description it's big fun

Jason's giving us notes we're six seasons in it's too late we gotta do it this way I'm gonna give notes it's fair so just to let you know what happened eight years after the death of Gotham City District Attorney Harvey Dent, who, by the way, I don't like that they think he's good. I don't like that.

I don't like it either. I don't like that it's been eight years. I know, but I think he's a good person. I've read half a sentence, so we have to. A CIA plane extracts nuclear physicist Dr. Leonid Pavel from Uzbekistan. During the flight, the CIA agents are attacked by prisoners on board, led by Bane, Tom Hardy, an intimidating

figure who talks through a breathing apparatus that covers his mouth. It's so funny. Bane crashes the plane in the mountains, staging Dr. Pavl's death in the process. This was a crazy scene. The first time he speaks, I was aghast. Because I actually thought, I think I saw this movie, I think, when it came out.

And I remembered his voice totally different. I remember it being like, I don't remember him like having, I thought it was lower, more like that. No, this was the voice. And it is, it's very, it is very specific and drew a tremendous amount of criticism. Okay. Was this the first time it was heard? It was basically, when the movie came out, you know, are you guys aware that Christopher Nolan movies

have very insane sound mixing and editing? Yes, we did learn that. I was like, no. Yeah, we did. They get criticized a lot. We did learn that. Okay, okay. And one of the huge criticisms leveled against this movie

when it came out in theaters was, we can't understand what Bane is saying. I did not have that problem watching it this time because I had closed captioning on. Me too. As I have for the last 10 years. Yeah. And it was great. But in the movie theaters, everybody was like, wait, what?

And everybody was like, what the fuck? It's all ADR. Oh, is it? Every single Tom Hardy line is ADR'd. What a weird job for him. What a crazy performance. That's so weird. None of it is captured live, I believe.

I'm almost positive all of it is. Wait, what's he doing? Yeah, what is he doing? Just like silently like staring at people? Oh, no, no, I'm sure he's saying it. He's saying it. Oh, yes, but then they just fill it in later. But what we're hearing is looped. Which is then even weirder that it's saying it. Oh, yes. But then they just fill it in later.

Which is then even weirder that it's unintelligible. Yeah. I had only seen a clip of the stadium scene, and I thought it was a bit. Like, I thought someone, like, redid his voice. And I was like, that's funny. But then in that plane, he was like, argh. And I was like, oh, no, that's it. Batman. Everybody, for years, everybody was doing, and in comedy shows and improv shows,

everybody was doing Bane as if it was, can you believe that this is what they did? You know what? We probably were in so many shows where that was happening around us. And just didn't get it. What a fun voice you chose. And you're like, oh, starting a scene,

like, oh, so this is your place? I really like it. Oh, welcome. Welcome to Suna Rose. Gets a huge laugh. We're like, what? Like, yeah, take that, Rose. I think it's Darth Vader.

Okay, we are one paragraph in. Let's just do it, baby. Meanwhile, in Gotham, the city has been in a state of peace for the last eight years. Batman Christian Bale has disappeared and Commissioner Gordon Gary Oldman has nearly...

I know that's not how you say it, but I prefer to say it like that. I love it. By the way, watch Slow Horses if you're not watching Slow Horses. What's that? It's an Apple TV spy show that Gary Oldman is the star of as like an old, over-the-hill, like failed British spy. Into it. Do you think Apple TV Plus is just a tax write-off?

They don't advertise. I know. I never know what's on there. Me either. I just started watching The Changeling. It's great. It's what it feels like. It truly feels as though it's a hobby. Because they're e-commerce. They sell things and then they're like, let's do like a little TV. Primarily. Yeah. No, no. This feels like, wouldn't it be, hey,

wouldn't it be funny? Yeah. Wouldn't it be funny if we just made prestige TV? A whole show. What if we made multiple seasons of a whole show what if we made multiple seasons of a whole show in which everybody in the world including momoa is blind real show don't know about that one i heard about it recently you know what i started watching that you recommended it alone oh yeah i'm so fucking in get into it we started watching season six we just started season six because people said it was good.

It's people surviving in the Arctic in this season. Oh, I just started Survivor. Oh, that's fun, too. I'm not a big Survivor person, but I'm so glad. Oh, I'm glad you're liking it. Oh, good. It's so good. You gotta watch it.

Okay, so that wraps up our discussion of Batman or Dark Knight Rises. Nope. Okay. So Gary Oldman has nearly eradicated all violent organized crime at a Wayne Manor charity event hosted by Bruce Wayne. Gordon prepares to deliver a speech

revealing the truth about debt and the murders for which Batman has taken the fall for but changes his mind, puts the little speech in his pocket. I wanted him to do it. Me too. Then Miranda Tate,

Marianne Cotillard, a wealthy investor, and John, we don't see enough of her, I feel like. Nope. That's why the twist doesn't do we don't see enough of her I feel like nope that's why the twist doesn't

I just mean in now I'm like where is she now like I'm sure she's in many things I don't watch but yeah bless you how darling was that wow

bless you certainly the most delicate if I let them go it really hurts my nose for a very long time so that's it's pretty great

I really you're like Minnie Mouse. So a wealthy investor, Marion Coldhear, and then John Daggett, Ben Mendelsohn, a businessman, tries to meet... Yes, that's amazing. Everybody in this movie is a fucking heavy hit. Great actor.

They try to meet the reclusive Bruce to get him to invest in Tate's clean energy project, but are unable to do so. Meanwhile, now I was still surprised by this, even though I do believe I've seen the film. One of the maids for the event, Selina Kyle, Anne Hathaway,

breaks into his room on the pretense of delivering dinner. She cracks his safe, stealing his mother's pearl necklace, but when Bruce catches her, she kicks his cane out from under him, spilling him to the floor. I know.

Then escapes by doing a backflip out of the window, which was very graceful. She changes out of her disguise. She makes her way to the congressman's car and asks for a ride. And after she leaves, Bruce finds print dust and realizes she took a copy of his fingerprints. Which is, the whole scene was really wild to me.

And then I was like, wait, why is Bruce Wayne, why is he even, eight years? He looked horrible. He looked like a little raisin. What's he been fucking doing? Sleeping. He doesn't move. He was, he had a goatee that I did not approve of.

He was living in a dark room. And his hair looked like a mushroom. He looked awful. I'm like, you still have a billion dollars, right? Or no, does he not? No, he does. Okay, so at this point he does have a billion dollars. At this point he still has his money.

He's just in, he's becoming incredibly reclusive because in many, he's broken, you know, by the events of the last movie. I mean, the Joker did too much. And thinks, yeah, the Joker, I mean, it is a great performance. I was exhausted by the end. There was more? Something I saw,

I'm not going to remember who it was. Somebody was talking about, maybe it was Michael Jai White, who's in the Joker movie as one of the crime bosses, said that he showed up to work one day. This was like some interview he did. He shows up to work one day

and it's the scene where the Joker, Eric Roberts, collects all the bad guys, right, in that room. Heath Ledger goes through all of hair and makeup, gets totally done up into the Joker, is the Joker all the time. And midway through the day, Michael J. White asks, you know, like the first AD or something like, what do we got left to shoot? And he was like, oh, we're just going to keep doing this for the rest of the day.

And that's when he realized no coverage was going to be on Heath Ledger all day. He had done that. All the makeup gone through, hours of makeup, was in character for them because it was their coverage. Wow. That is. And so he could be as much the Joker for them as possible. He did the whole thing.

That's amazing. That's incredible because there's so many actors who will. They would let a tennis ball do it truly like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna sometimes you're grateful

for the tennis ball yeah yeah yeah is all I'll say yeah I have a friend who worked on a show with a very famous person who fell asleep

during their coverage oh my god and that's very funny to me yeah so it's really impressive that he makes that extra effort I hope standing up.

We should unlike them. Oh, my God. Now they're sitting down just, oh, shoot. Or when they have a stand-in do it for them and it's just another person, but then you see the back of the stand-in, how that looks like that person. That's nice. That's really cool. Sorry.

I know I'm making this so, so, so much longer. This is literally what it has to be. Okay. Oh, and also I think he also is broken. And because Gotham is in peacetime, he feels like he's not needed anymore. So he's like fading away or whatever. But where do you think he like fell down and needed the cane? Because like he's running at the end of the other movie.

He's just trying to, I don't think he really needed it. I think he's trying to make her think he's feeble. Oh. For some, right? I think he's a little bit battered and broken from. Because later at the doctor, they're like,

you have no cartilage in your knees. Oh, that's true. And then he falls out the window. Yeah, and that's part of the mythology of Batman is, and it's harder to do in these movies because Christian Bale, they are,

even if they jump ahead eight years, it's not eight actual years. They didn't wait for Christian Bale they are even if they jump ahead eight years it's not eight actual years. They didn't wait for Christian Bale to get older. And part of the thing is in long term Batman stories you watch him get older and more feeble and more decrepit. There's an incredible Batman comic written and drawn by Paul Pope

called Batman Year 100 because Batman Year 1 is a story that is the inspiration for Batman Begins, the movie you guys love, which is the beginnings of what it is to be Batman. Then there's Batman Year 100, which is he's like

Clint Eastwood now. It's like a man who looks like Clint Eastwood now. So he's talking to chairs, fighting crime. Yep. Has to get into the suit and do it and is just destroyed oh no okay later that night and by the way i like how catwoman just jumps out with no no tools nothing yeah but okay later than that in the police station's roof commissioner gordon is approached by rookie police officer john blake joseph gordon levitt who informs him that the

congressman has disappeared after the way Foundation event. Blake reveals that he has suspicions about Dent's death and the last confirmed Batman sighting, but Gordon dismisses him. So the next morning, Bruce is at work figuring out Selina's identity, using the tracking device on the pearls she had stolen. How did he know to put a tracking device on those pearls? I guess because they were

special. They were his mummies. So then he learns that Selina is a master jewel thief nicknamed The Cat. And then he learns that Selena is a master jewel thief nicknamed The Cat. And then Alfred suggests that Bruce go out with Selena to move on from his grief. And did you see that he's got his mother's pearls in that safe and the only other thing

that's in there is a jar of his mother's breast milk. That is a callback to a conversation we had before the hunt. So very satisfying for us I like that no one will have any idea

because it's so specific sorry about it but yeah good thing he had that yeah you know oh yeah gives him superpowers

and it soothes his little soul so yeah it really makes his hair strong take some biotin Batman chill on your mom's titty juice get with the times It really makes his hair strong. Take some biotin, Batman. Chill in your mom's titty juice.

Get with the times. Okay, so Alfred tells him that he used to wish that Bruce never returned to Gotham to become Batman. He dreamed about running into him in a cafe in Italy where they look at each other, but they say no, no. Yeah, so I do love Michael Caine. I'm paraphrasing to make it go faster. I saw a thing on Instagram. I'm paraphrasing to make it go faster. I saw a thing on Instagram. I'm like slowing it down so hard. I love Michael Caine, how he met his wife.

And it was like, he saw her in like a toothpaste commercial. And it was like, she's mine. And then like, they've been together for 50 years. A toothpaste commercial? Yeah, in the 70s, he saw her on TV. She's a tube of toothpaste. He's fucking insane. He's like, I love Crest. I love my beautiful wife.

Ooh, she was the sixth out of ten doctors. Dentists, rather. That's like Jeff Bridges. He saw a waitress, liked her, and then married her, and they've been together for a long, long time. Wow. Instagram taught me. First attraction.

We're learning so much from social media. Wow. It's so good that I'm on there all day. It's so great. Wow. Wonderful. You pop that I'm on there all day. It's so great. Wow. Wonderful. You pop into my head often when I waste time on there. I go, he doesn't even have to think about this.

It's lovely. You're not on anything. Zero. He doesn't even have to. Smart. What a delight. What a delight. It's really fucking good.

Although I will say I have succumbed to watching YouTube. Okay. That still seems fine. Yeah, that's fine. That's controllable. That's like a nice night. Mostly I'm watching a 25 minute documentary about the making of a Steely Dan record.

That's basically TV. Or like Joni Mitchell on the Dick Cavett show. In 1969. You live a nice life. Does your brain feel calm? Do you feel good? No. I'm a comedian. You are unwell.

The other stuff just. It's chaos. I think the other stuff just amplifies the chaos. It's true, though. I'm just stuck with standard chaos. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I'd be enough without what I have going on with Instagram in my brain all day. Yeah, because I scroll. There's people you think about and you just go, why do I even think about this person? Exactly.

Well, that was the thing about- Why am I here? I know. When it started with MySpace and Facebook and stuff like that, the big sell people would be like, oh my God, it's great. I get to keep in touch with everybody I went to high school and college with. And I was like, why? The only people from then I want to be in touch with, I'm in touch with. You're friends with them.

You have money for them to find me. The two people. Huge problem. It is true. It's true. I don't have Facebook and it's lovely. Well, let's not get into this right now. So Blake and his partner find a body washed up.

That's what this podcast is about, right? Getting Lauren off Facebook. I use it for my mommy groups. Okay, leave me alone. They find a body washed up out of the tunnels underneath Gotham. He recognizes it as that of a kid staying at the St. Swithin's Orphanage. We learned that until recently the orphanage had been funded by the Wayne Foundation and that Blake himself had grown up there.

This felt like, I don't care. The orphanage through line wasn't doing it. And it wasn't strong enough because by the end I was going, what? And then I'm now going, oh, okay. It's not in there very well. You'll also notice an orphanage in the Lego Batman movie. One of the

hallmarks of millionaire Bruce Wayne's kind of in the larger Batman stories is that he is like an orphan obviously and very tied into the orphan population

of Gotham. He cares about the orphans. He supports them. That's a through line of Batmanam. You know what I mean? He cares about the orphans. He cares about them. He supports them. Because he was one. That's a through line of Batman stories. They'll say there's a lot of orphans.

They'll throw away. Yeah, I agree. Considering it's just one place. Doesn't it feel like there's a lot of orphans? I mean, the whole population of Gotham is criminals and police officers.

And then people who've passed and their children are... Yeah, and their children are the children of the criminals and the policemen. Because when they had that war later, I was like, what?

There's nobody left. Nobody. How do they have this many? Okay. A few nights later, Selina walks into a bar with a drunk man whom she sits with at the bar, prepared to hand over Bruce's fingerprints to Philip Stryver, dagger's right hand man. When she tries

to get something in return, Stryver holds her at gunpoint. How do you say that? Stryver? Oh, that was Stryver holds her at gunpoint how do you say that Stryver? oh that was easy holds her at gunpoint and threatens her Selina reveals that she has withheld the thumbprint but hands over her cell phone and tells Stryver to hit send and then her friend Jen

Juno Temple are they romantically involved because there's a scene later where Juno's kind of hugging her friend behind and she's like it's everything you want yeah I couldn't tell and then I was like, is she her like, her Robin? Well, I don't think so. I'm guessing and

this is, I'm not quite sure, but there is a character in the Catwoman stories which is a woman, because Catwoman comes from like very hard life, right? She comes from a brutal life on the streets um she is a criminal yeah we only know the michelle pfeiffer yeah okay so cat woman is an awesome

character and in in comics um has has had like huge arcs as both a brutal foe of batman and then also incredible arcs where they are in love oh Where they are in love and it is a problem because neither will give up their kind of dogged pursuit of what they believe. We saw that one image of Batman going down on Catwoman. Yeah, we did see that. What movie was that from? Oh, no, no. I think it was just a fan art. It was fan art that.

No, but who? Was it? Oh, it wasn't from. It was an outtake. It was fan art that... No, but who... Oh, was it? Oh, it wasn't from... It was an outtake. It was in the Christopher Nolan one. It was a deleted scene. They're dark and gritty. But it was somebody...

It was Adam West. It was somebody famous who requested it be made. Wait, have you watched any of Adam West? We watched one. Okay, great. Yeah, from the 1966 one. Or whatever. It wasn't from me.

Yeah, yeah. No, it's wild. That was the first Batman I saw. It was silly. That was on reruns after school when I was a kid was the old Batman. Anyway. So I believe, so Selina Kyle, Catwoman, frequently has another woman who she has kind of saved from the streets, who is her kind of, she kind of is always helping her.

And I'm assuming Juno Temple is playing that character, whose name I'm spacing right now. But that's my guess. And that woman doesn't always know Selina is Catwoman. Sometimes she does, sometimes she doesn't. That's the thing, is like the stories can always change, you know? Yeah. So in this one, everybody knows Bruce Wayne is Batman at a certain point. That's sometimes the case in comic stories, sometimes not at all.

I feel like in all of the movies, his identity is revealed. Anyway, so Stryver decides to shoot Selina anyway, but then she reveals that the drunk at the bar is actually the missing congressman, and that Stryver has just unknowingly used the congressman's cell phone to send a message to the police which was wild and then the police and the SWAT team they come and then selena wow the acting in this was pretty good she was like running running running then she's like oh help me help me i love that when she was like great scream they come in and and then she's like hey i'm fine

um and then selena just slinks out the front door. Yeah. And then Blake Gordon fully arrived with backup. Gordon follows henchmen down into the sewers to search the tunnels. Now we get a lot of sewer play in this game. If you don't mind me interrupting for just one moment, just because we've just talked about the introduction or not the introduction, but a great Selina Kyle kind of moment. There are incredible Catwoman stories that are comic stories written by Ed Brubaker, drawn by Darwin Cook, that are some of the best. Because she doesn't have superpowers.

They're just straight crime stories. They're like film noir for jewel thieves. Because that's her whole thing. Not just jewels, but she's stealing big stuff. And it's just crime stories. And they're so beautifully drawn by Darwin Cook that if anybody is curious about looking into Batman comics or stuff like that, I'm happy to recommend stuff. But in specific, those comics from recent years are great. Cool.

Did you watch the Halle Berry Catwoman? I did. Yeah. How did this get made, actually? Oh, no. It's bad? No good. It's a movie just about catwomen.

It's deeply bad. It's called Cat no good it's a movie just about deeply bad it's called catwoman it's a catwoman it's a standalone describe sounds like a good good movie it could have been like a film noir it would be great if someone would do that it would be awesome if someone would do that i thought it was your ideal catwoman to play sorry it's interesting so zoe kravitz plays catwoman in the Rob Pattinson, Matt Reeves' recent The Batman movie. The most recent incarnation of Batman. And I thought she was really good. I don't know.

I'm trying to think. One of the things that is so compelling about Catwoman is that she is morally so gray. Well, I like that she was like, I like guns or whatever. She kills without remorse. Because she does not share Batman's code at all. She is ruthless. In these streets. And that was kind of fun in some of these fights.

I thought Anne Hathaway did a very good job with the fighting and all the stuff. It was really smooth looking. She was believable to me. And I also thought she was sultry enough. Who was it that we had where I was like it wasn't

I can't think as Catwoman I think I had a Catwoman maybe I just was like wanting Pfeiffer yeah but then was there another one it was so good

I don't think so I think this one no from the oh the old old one oh yeah yeah yeah who was Julie something Eartha Kitt

oh you had Julie yeah who was very pretty but she like didn't oh no I'm even thinking about Poison Ivy Who was Julie something? Oh, you had Julie... Yeah. Who was very pretty, but she didn't... Oh, no, I'm even thinking about Poison Ivy. I wanted her to be sexier and bring it more in that. She was perfect.

She loved it. I thought that Anne Hathaway brought that more in this. I guess I just didn't like all the jokes the men made about her heels and outfit. I didn't like that either, but then I liked her comebacks. I guess. Because the more I think about it, I'm like, no, no, she did do a good job. I just felt like the people in the movie were too hot. And I was like, stop it. Can you walk in those heels?

Yeah, I was like, she's walking just fine. Yeah, I know. She's kicking your ass and then you fucking bitch. We still have so much more to get through. So we haven't even gotten to fucking Bane's whole life. Oh, man. So they're suddenly ambushed in the sewers by thugs and Gordon ends up cornered alone by two of Bane's men.

They knock him out, drag him deeper into the tunnel to a cavern with a waterfall where they deposit him in front of Bane. One of the thugs empties Gordon's pockets, taking Gordon's badge while at pistol and Gordon's speech about Harvey Dent and Bane looks over Gordon's speech, deciding that it is useful to his plans.

Gordon rolls off the platform and into the waterway and Bane's men open fire on Gordon as he floats away, hitting him several times. Bane shoots one of the thugs with Gordon's gun and throws him in the river. Blake manages to find... Who's Blake? Joe Gordon-Levitt. And see... No, no, i agree all these names there's

a lot of names we don't get enough about him i felt i felt he was kind of just thrown at us and then at the end there's that twist about him and i'm going we'll get to that but i'm just like there are arguably too many characters there's so much and it was kind of like why do i the whole time i'm kind of going why is he helping what's he doing? Yeah. So Blake manages to find Gordon at the outlet of the sewers, soaked and barely clinging to life and rushes him to the hospital. Bruce tracks down Selena, follows her to a gala costume ball, which he loves to go to, where he uses a remote in his pocket to shut down the cameras of the paparazzi gathered outside.

He cuts in with Selena's dancing partner. They slowly waltz. She reveals her aim is to see the rich lose and the city burn. He takes back his mother's pearl necklace. Selena kisses him in the process, pickpocketing his valet ticket and takes off with his car. I don't want them to be romantic in this film. Not in this one. I'm not feeling it.

This one feels wild. It feels, this was not even like, that was like not a real kiss. But when they do have a real kiss later, I went, no. I just didn't want it. Yeah, I didn't want it either, but I got it. Because I think they were like, the world's going to end. Yeah, but it was just kind of like, they haven't had a vibe. I agree.

They haven't had a vibe. Because I do feel like this movie instead chooses to do the Bruce Wayne Batman, Marianne Cotillard, who is playing Talia Al Ghul, who is a huge character in the Batman mythology. Really? Yeah. She's so teeny tiny in this movie. I know. So when you're watching it, you're going, I know where this is going? A little bit, yes.

But in a way that I thought she was great. Yeah, yeah. Because I love Marianne Cotillard. Yeah. If you want to watch an incredible Marion Cotillard performance, the Jacques Odiard movie, Flesh and Bone. Oh, I've never seen that movie. Absolutely incredible.

But she plays Talia al Ghul, who's Ra's al Ghul's daughter, who after Ra's al Ghul dies takes over what in the comics is called the League of Assassins, what's called the League of Shadows here, and is the mother of the current Robin, Damian Wayne, Bruce Wayne, and Talia Agul's son, who is a child who is raised inside the League of Assassins. So there's a version where they have a baby together. Correct. Okay.

And that baby is Robin? And that baby is then Talia Agul becomes fed up with Damien and sends him to Bruce when he's like 12 years old. Bruce Wayne doesn't even know he has a son. What? And a trained murderous assassin son shows up at his doorstep and is like, I work for you now. Oh. So it's kind of like the Robin from Batman and Robin where he's like, I'm staying around. Whatever Chris.

Chris O'Donnell. Chris O'Donnell, yeah. Until I get to NCIS Miami, I'm staying right here. And you're my daddy. Okay, well, the next day, Bruce goes to his company offices to meet with Lucius Fox, Morgan Freeman, who we love from the movies. We're very happy to see him. But I thought he left in the last one because of the phone screen thing. Wasn't he like, I will not do this?

I don't remember. And then he's like, just enter your name at the end. And he's like, okay. And then he did, and then he walked away. I thought he left. I love your Morgan Freeman impression. Yeah, it's really solid. Thank you.

It's on my SNL reel. But I thought he quit, no? I don't remember that. I don't remember exactly, but you're right. Yes I thought he like quit. No? I don't remember that. I don't remember exactly. But you're right. Yes. He was like very anti. Anti this like equipment.

But I think that the greater good that this all turned into has, I don't know. But you're right. Well, Morgan tells him that his majority ownership of Wayne Enterprises keeps Daggett from taking over the company. He also shows him a new project they're working on with a long name that Fox simply nicknames The Bat. While doing martial arts in the Batcave to get back into shape, he was like, okay.

Bruce learns from Alfred about Bane's past that he used to be a member of the League of Shadows trained by Raul Gould, Bruce's old mentor. Bane was excommunicated for the group for extreme behavior beyond the boundaries of even Ra'al Ghul Ra's Ra's Al Ghul

people say Ra's Al Ghul people say Ra's Al Ghul I don't know there's a whole in fandom there's a lot of like how do you pronounce this I see

it's like well watch the movie yeah in the movie they are saying Ra's Al Ghul Ra's Al Ghul Alfred tries to talk Bruce out of going back out as Batman

to protect the city from Bane. That day, Bane and three of his men carry out an assault and robbery of the Gotham Stock Exchange. There was a lot of mass shooting in this film that made me feel sad. I will say. There's a lot of shooting in all of it. Watching. The last time I saw this movie was a very long time ago.

And so much of it in looking at it through the lens of today. Yeah. Looked so much more like the January 6th insurrection. It feels like it happened. It looked so much like the civil unrest and increasing social violence that is happening in our world now in a way that was not present in the world. These movies were made during like peacetime. Yes. I googled when did mass shootings start really because i i remember of course like columbine but like the chart if you google that the chart of like

the growth of that is so crazy and this is a period where that was not it was like maybe one or two a year oh yeah and you knew who the shooters were yeah you knew everything and now there is i believe a new mass shooting every every Oh, I think it's like every day. Oh, is it every single day? Maybe. Oh, maybe. Yes. Yeah, because it's like four people.

Because sometimes it will be like two a day. It's really wild. It's really crazy. And it changes how you, I mean, it changes our whole world. But just like watching something like this is like not as like light or anything. Back in the day, I feel like it would be like it's sort of fun to watch a crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

But it's like, yeah, you could be at work and someone could come right in and shoot you. It's really scary. Right when you're in the stock exchange and you're Glenn Powell. Right when you're young Glenn Powell. Oh, that was Glenn Powell? Yeah. Oh. Getting a shoe shine.

Next thing you know, goodbye. It's over. Goodbye. Honestly, I had to cut the part where I called that out because I was like, it's too long, but it is Glenn Powell. We have to get going. I will not let you cut it out. It's important. It's important.

He's important. So Payton and his crew are there to download information from one of the stockbroker's laptops and head for the exit, bursting out of the building, riding on motorcycles with a hostage strapped to each bike. Payton and his men weave through the police cars and over barricades to escape. Police pursue them in a tunnel, but they're ordered by Deputy Commissioner Foley to drop back to avoid endangering hostages. but they're ordered by Deputy Commissioner Foley to drop back to avoid endangering hostages. Suddenly they notice the tunnel lights behind them going out by themselves, and as the tunnel goes dark,

Batman appears on a Batpod. That was cool. In the Batpod. That was cool. And then one of the hostages just flew up in the air and never came back down. Yeah. Like Prince's guitar

in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ceremony to tribute to George Harrison. He just threw it up. Have you ever seen that? No. Can you pull it up right now? Prince, George Harrison. I think Tom Petty might also help you get there.

This is an incredible video. Okay. I'm so delighted that I'm getting to show you guys a thing that is like internet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? In a way that I just happen to show you guys a thing that is like internet fame. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? In a way that I just happen to have seen. So this is a tribute to George Harrison, the Beatle George Harrison, who's passed away at this point. And so it's all the, it's the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ceremony.

So there's an all-star cast of characters on stage. And then Prince comes in to do the guitar solo. So wait until you see Prince's red hat come in. Okay, so there he is. So Prince is not on stage for the majority of the song, okay? So it's a whole cast of characters. There's Jeff Lynne from ELO, Tom Petty. I know none of these people.

Okay, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Great. Prince is literally on fire. The solo is incredible. And you can see it breathes life into everybody. That's awesome. Mm-hmm. Complete genius.

We're almost there. We're almost there. He's planning. He keeps lifting it up. Something's going with that look at danny harrison he he's falling down has to be pushed back up he's falling off of the stage he's so cool it's actually kind of sickening so cool he's so confident and like good tambourine guy in the back's going crazy he's like I want attention too

where does it go he throws he throws his guitar straight up and it does not come down where did it go where did it go what was the plan

where did it go this episode is called where did it go? Where did it go? What was the plan? Where did it go? This episode is called Where Did It Go? What was the plan? It's so funny. Is it attached to a string? It just goes, goodbye. Goodbye. That was dope.

Don't you feel like Prince can just do that? Yeah. He can. And that's how Batman left that motorcycle. That was amazing. Boy, I love that clip. And it's related because Prince did all the music for Batman, the Tim Burton Batman. Boy, I love that clip. And it's related because Prince did all the music for Batman.

The Tim Burton Batman. Yes, he did. And boy, was that an iconic bat dance. We still haven't seen bat dance. No, we don't really know. Ubiquitous in the life. It was on the radio. The video was huge. Everything.

Wait, you've not seen bat dance? Can you pull up the Bat dance video? Yes. Yeah, we do need to know that. I guess we should. People have mentioned it and we just haven't seen it. This was, like, again, pre-internet and all that. The only access you had to stuff like this was MTV.

Yeah. I'm going to scrub forward again just so we're in it. Oh, yeah, that's fine. What? What is... and you know yeah i'm gonna scrub forward again just so we're in it oh yeah that's fine what what is wait nothing could have prepared me for this why is he like michael jackson this is wild this is like this i can't believe i've never seen this this is fun huge this is like a seven minute video this is like thriller here's my it is like a seven minute video. This is like thriller. Here's my. It is like thriller. First of all, why don't we do things like this anymore?

I don't know. Because nobody watches them. But like. This is a multi-million dollar music video. But I feel like if people did it, people would. Beyonce did the lemonade visuals and I think we all watched it. Yeah. Like it feels like silly things like him doing Batman characters and stuff.

Yes. Feels like it was exactly that moment in time, and no one wants to do that now. Well, there was also, this is also a moment in time where doing little movies as videos was massively impactful culturally. Uh-huh. was massively impactful culturally. You know, like MTV was truly every young person was obsessed with MTV. So your taste was formed by these short form. You listen to the radio and you watched MTV.

And so not just that there were videos, but that there were high end videos that had like cinematic qualities or whatever were super compelling. Yeah. I love it. Thank you for that education. Honestly,

I hope I'm not once again, coming in and mansplaining Batman or whatever as a, as a real learning explaining it. It's not mansplaining. We don't, we don't know. We don't know. Great.

I love it. I'm having the best time oh yeah I'm so glad good you're the best guest where do we leave off in this Jesus Christ

oh okay so Batman comes back one of the cops is like oh shit look at that and then oh wait Foley is eager

to take down Batman so while the police focus on catching him Bane is able to make his escape back to his hideout in another sewer. Just as Foley, who is Foley, thinks he's gotten

Batman cornered, the bat emerges and Batman's able to get away. Oh, Foley is Matthew Modine's character who's now the commissioner of police that Jim Gordon is off. Yes. I just learned from Instagram that Matthew Modine is the girl from Millie Bobby Brown's godfather.

What? What was that sentence? Matthew Modine is Mill bobby brown's godfather what what was that sentence matthew modine is millie bobby brown's godfather oh okay from prior to stranger things or because of their relationship on stranger things he was made her godfather probably because of stranger things i would assume so but that would be even weird yeah he's like he's like what's that is he in season one? He's like, what's that? Is he in season one? Yeah. He's the white haired guy who's in her institution. He's like her dad, right? Or like the papa? He's like the father figure for the bad guy. Maybe they call him that and he's not literally her godfather from birth or something.

I don't know. Yeah. They went on a road trip together. She was on Seth Meyers' podcast. These are the facts I know, okay? He ate a dog treat. Look, I- He ate a dog? He fell asleep. I don't know what's real. He fell okay he ate a dog treat look i ate a dog he fell asleep i don't

know what's real he fell asleep what is dog wait i consumed this this morning while also doing 10,000 other things and i'm like and now i just gave it and now i just gave it to you podcast no i consumed a clip of it because i follow seth meyers on instagram and he posted this clip and then she's like matthew mcean's my godfather and we went on a road trip. She's British? Yes! I'm sorry, was this whole story just so you could do a British accent? No. I will bring that out

whenever next year. Well done! Wow, I'm Bane, mommy! Interesting! Okay, so at his penthouse, Daggett is celebrating the successful operation at the stock exchange. Selena breaks in through a window, demands to know where the Clean Slate program is, which has the potential to expunge her criminal record.

Which is wild. She fights all of Daggett's men and jumps out of the window, holding Daggett hostage, which is soon surrounded by Bane's men. Batman soon appears and they fight Bane's men and escape together. So the thing they're trying to get off the computers all the time is like this clean slate program that erases your history from the world, which is confusing. That's what she wants. Yeah. That's what she wants.

Okay. As payment. Okay. That's not what they want. Oh, yes. They don't want that program at all. What they want is the bomb thing. Yes. So it's going when it's like downloading.

So they're saying to her, so they're saying to her, just for real basic plot stuff, go and get Bruce Wayne's fingerprints off of his safe, is how she does it, so that they can have his authorization via thumbprint

to go to the stock exchange, cripple Wayne Enterprises financially so that Marion Cotillard is put in charge of the company. And in doing so, they give her access to the device that is not a bomb but can be turned into a bomb using the using the scientists that they captured, kidnapped rather, in the first scene on the airplane. They took that guy. Then they made it such that every domino fell into place so that they could get their hands on the thing, turn it into a bomb. Anne Hathaway's payment was this other thing. Okay, okay.

Wow. That's really important. That cleared up a lot. There's a lot of MacGuffins. There's a lot of characters. And there's a lot of contradictory wants from people. They don't all want the same stuff. Right.

Because I kind of was thinking the computer, iPad, whatever they were looking at the whole time. I was like, that's all about this clean slate program. Okay. I see now. Thank you. So, Selina soon vanishes, but not before Batman learns that she sold Bruce's fingerprints to Daggett. And Daggett was behind the stock exchange robbery back at the Batcave. Bruce and Fox decode the hard drive. He and

Alfred argue about his decision to return as Batman. I loved this. And Alfred reveals the contents of Rachel's farewell letter to Bruce and decides to leave Bruce or Wayne Manor for good. You like to call it Bruce Manor. I know. Bruce Manor. Alfred is

the heart of this franchise I do enjoy his arc in this where like the thing at the end where he sees him it's very sweet he's a very lovable actor yes Michael Caine is truly incredible and this is a very emotionally

available Alfred which is not always the case a lot of times Alfred is depicted as a kind of, you know, from obviously early on, like the uptight British butler, you know, kind of detached a little bit, but in stories now,

has become a father figure in a way that is, and I think Michael Caine does the best heartbreaking, the quivering voice. Yeah, I was like, I failed you. If you've ever... That sucked. I mean, it was good.

Yeah, emotional. Ever watched any of the trip movies? The Steve Coogan, Rob Brydon... That's what I always think of, because those are so funny. There are these movies that are these two guys, Steve Coogan and Rob Brydon, who are actual actors that you would recognize

from a million things. And they are them going on a road trip. One is in England, where they're from. One is in Italy. And I think one, I can't remember, is in Greece or something. I can't remember. Anyway. And all they do is go to beautiful, fancy dinners and do bits.

It's so enjoyable. And one of the bits they continuously do is Who Does the Better Michael Caine. And they're both really good. Oh, incredible. And one of them, they do young Michael Caine, and then they specifically do these movies, Michael Caine, as he starts to slow down and get into, like, that boy. You know, like, it's very funny. I got to work with Rob Brydon, and he was really cool. Oh, that's cool.

And we both can—he does Man in a Box, which is— Oh, yeah. But I do this. I'm stuck in a closet. I can't get out of the closet. I'm stuck inside. You have to yeah. But I do this. I'm stuck in a closet. I can't get out of the closet. I'm stuck inside. You have to let me out of the closet. I'm stuck.

And so I got to do that with him, which was really cool. That's really good. He throws his voice like back and he's like, I'm a man in a box. Like I can't do it. He does a thing too. That's very funny. Bruce learns from Fox that in the course of the robbery, Bane made stock trades to bankrupt Wayne Enterprises, meaning Wayne Enterprises is about to fall into Daggett's hands.

Bruce and Fox show Miranda the fusion reactor who intends to use it to generate clean energy for the entire city. Bruce worries someone could turn the reactor into a nuclear weapon, not knowing Bane has in fact kidnapped Dr. Pavel for this purpose. Bruce wants Miranda to become acting CEO of Wayne Enterprises to safeguard the reactor. Which is wild because he barely talked to her. She's like, I keep throwing these parties and you don't come. He's like, I don't want to. Why would he give her the... I don't know. I think we're meant to believe that he

trusts her due to like... They try and seed in some sort of like she's been working with them all along for clean energy and her clean energy initiative. And it seems to be... They're trying to tell us she is a trusted ally of theirs. But they are telling us, not showing us in any meaningful way. So when I was watching it this time, I also was like, oh, this isn't landing.

It doesn't make sense why he would trust her. Yeah. Anyway. Daggett demands to see Bane. Daggett calls Bane pure evil, but Bane replies that he is unnecessary evil and proceeds to break Daggett's neck and throws his body into a dumpster.

In Gordon's hospital room, Blake reports on the discovery of Daggett's body and his suspicion that he was associated with Bane. Foley still is skeptical of Bane's existence, but Gordon, impressed with Blake's hard work, promotes Blake to detective. Back home, Bruce finds Miranda waiting for him and they're like in the rain and they spend,

they fuck, they fuck in front of a fire. They fuck, they fuck, they fuck, okay? And I was like, wait, what? Oh my God, they fuck. They just say fuck. Oh my God, they did it. They did, they just did. But I was like, why is he fucking this lady?

He better fuck her if he's going to give away all his money and not have, I mean, it's like they should have a relationship. I want to see what this love is. But it just, it came out of nowhere. I mean, I liked it. It was pretty horny. Oh, yeah.

But I was like, this is so out of left field. I would have loved a, I would have loved what I believe they would maybe do now, which was like an R-rated version of this movie, where there is much more kind of overt sexual tension, overt kind of, a lot of the deaths are really robbed of impact because they're done in big, giant wide shots,

bloodless, no... Oh, there isn't any blood. Everything is for PG-13 in this movie. Everything is to assure them that even though hundreds and hundreds of people are being killed throughout the movie, it is still for 13 year olds. Yeah.

I would like to see the romance build for sure. Me too. I agree. Well, okay. Let me see. Where do we go? While Miranda was sleeping.

While Miranda's sleeping, Bruce sneaks out as Batman to meet Selena in a subway tunnel. Batman says he has her clean slate program, but demands to see Bane. They fight a few of Bane's henchmen that they come up against but soon Batman finds himself trapped in the

tunnel with Bane realizing Selina has betrayed him to protect herself. And this is where I was like surely this movie is wrapping up and it doesn't.

Bane and Batman for a while. No. We got another hour. No. Batman has to live in a cave for a while but Batman's tactics

prove useless against a trained League of Shadows member like Bane who mocks him. While they fight, Bane reveals he knows Batman's real identity and that he is in Gotham to fulfill Ra's al Ghul's destiny of destroying the city. Bane beats Batman into submission. When he lifts him up and cracks him on his knee, I totally was like, oh my God.

Can you look up that panel of comics this is an incredibly famous comic story from like my wild that's which is bane breaking batman's back which is what he does and it's brutal and it was crazy in the comics that's cool they did like an exact And the thing about Bane is that's not in this movie at all, but that is very much a part of the comics is the mask in the movie. It suggests he needs it to breathe or whatever, but the mask and all the tubing around it give him something. I think it's called venom.

It's not called venom. It's called something. It's like a juice. Yes. So he hits a button and it's almost like steroids, adrenaline, steroids. So Bane is capable of getting much, much stronger during fights.

He's an incredibly, he's almost like a Hulk type of character. I wouldn't have minded seeing more of that because I feel like sort of what I was imagining was like something was really fucked up with his mouth. And it was just like, I was just like, I didn't really get what the thing was. I looked it up. He like was broken, I guess, with the League of Shadows people.

And then he's getting like anesthesia or something to like deaden the pain that he goes through. It doesn't, I don't think it helps him breathe. I think it's just like, I think it makes it so that he cannot feel pain. Yeah. So he feels no pain and is just like a, just a brutal death machine. So when they like punch it or something,

cause there's a point where it gets kind of broken. Yeah. And then he stops getting it. So then he like weakens. It's not that he's breathing or, you know, not breathing well, it's that he is feeling pain.

Yeah. They, the, in the pit, they explain it. is feeling pain. In the pit, they explain it. I think it's in the pit. They explain it like they, you know, he's in constant pain except for the breathing device. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like he's getting air Percocets. Yeah. Okay.

Right? The mask is from the Sackler family another Michael Keaton project so Blake spots Selina getting into a cab recognizes her from the shootout he tails her to the airport manages to apprehend and interrogate her learning that she's trying to escape from Bane and she doesn't know if Batman's alive he arrests her and throws

her into Blackgate prison where she gets to like kick some prisoners asses they're like want to hold your hand like that's another one of those things yeah where i was like okay so she's like sexualized again like and then does a cartwheel off his hand and he's like ouch oh bitch he doesn't call her a bitch because it's pg-13 i guess he just was like oh bruce wakes up in a foreign prison, still in pain from the fight. The prison sits at the bottom of a deep circular shaft. The only way in or out is to climb the stone walls. When Bruce asks Bane why he did not just kill him, Bane taunts Bruce that he intends to kill his soul first, making him witness Gotham City's downfall.

The prison is where Bane claims to have been born and is notorious as hell on earth from which nobody has managed to escape. One of the prisoners tells Bruce that a child had once escaped, the offspring of a mercenary who'd fallen in love with a warlord's daughter. Bruce realized the child must have been Bane. Bruce sees several prisoners attempt to escape by using a rope climbing up the shaft towards the light, but fail to clear the final jump onto the ledge and fall, hitting the walls of the shaft as they're suspended in midair. So when he's in that little hole, who's that man who's like taking care of him? And he's like, get up and walk. Who's that man?

Yeah. That's just another prisoner? These are just other prisoners, I believe. I'm not sure why they're there or what the... Yeah, and they all speak English. They all speak English, which, you know, this is very comics. This is, to me, very comics.

It's like, it doesn't matter. You know, like, and maybe they're not speaking English, but it's being translated for us by the movie. Yeah. You know, like that. Well, in comics, there are usually like brackets around things that are in a different language, but we need you to understand it or whatever. So, yeah, this is, these are just the other prisoners. Okay. Back in Gotham, Miranda and Fox arrive at Wayne Enterprises for a board meeting on the reactor project,

but are met by Bane and his men holding the board of directors hostage. Bane and his men take Fox, Miranda, and Fredericks down into the tunnels. Inside, Bane orders Fox to turn the reactor on and forces Dr. Pavel to remove the reactor's core, which renders the bomb unstable and will cause it to melt down within five minutes. Five months. Excuse me. That's so funny. That's the longest five minutes. Five months. Excuse me. That's so funny. So I was going to say, the longest five minutes of my life.

Why hasn't the bar gone off? There's snow on the ground. They said five minutes. They said five minutes, and it is winter. Oh, my God. So much has happened. So much has happened. Meanwhile, Gordon starts bullying.

We can speed through this. We got to zip through some of this. Okay, so Bane's men arrive at Hines Field. And I love that it's Hines because get those. What is it? Proud of Roy Smith. Where a Gotham City football game is taking place. A child is singing and Bane's like.

Can I just say the child, while he was a beautiful singer, everyone was so happy to watch him sing. They were so polite. And I was like, this is kind of funny. You wouldn't cut to one person who's making a joke to their friend about how this little boy is like, I was like, everyone's peaceful, happily watching him. I was like, this is the most polite audience. It's very funny.

Beautiful voice. I know he compliments the voice. Even Bane is a fan. He's like, I like her. This was a trailer scene, the blowing up of the football field. It is a great scene. Also, while this is happening, every single cop in Gotham is underground for some reason. They're being forced to go down there to do something. Well, they think they're going to get Bane

and all his men. Oh. Then Batman realizes that the whole thing is scheduled to blow up through the cement. Like, they put the bombs in the cement. And so he puts a stop to it. I'm trying to jump a little bit. But Batman doesn't figure that out. I'm sorry. Joseph Gordon-Levitt. He

finds it out when he meets those two people and he's like, hey, this isn't a coincidence. I'm a cop, and I know that something's going on. There's no such thing as coincidences. Hey, I saw you at that other place. And the guy's like, what? He's just driving around, and he's like, hey, didn't I see you three scenes ago?

He's the only cop above ground. Yeah. Yeah, so it's all up to him. And this guy's the only truck driver in town. Which is so wild. So Bane, okay okay I'm just gonna skip a little bit Bane reads Gordon's speech

revealing the truth about Harvey Dent and declares the prisoners free as the man who drew up the Dent Act himself was a murderer and a madman so this is okay

this is I think when we're getting into the whole sewer or no do we already get past that because I just feel like well now we have a time jump okay

now there's a time jump now it becomes winter 84 days into the siege the army slips an intelligence team into Gotham disguised as relief workers under the command

of Captain Mark Jones we see Killian Murphy again oh yeah this is a scarecrow so brief who's now a judge he's a judge

I love this and his suit has like little things coming out because I guess he's like I'm becoming a scarecrow they built all the desks up so that it's a gigantic desk. There's lots of just papers.

He's like, death or exile. So Fox, Miranda and Jones are meeting to talk about the bomb. Fox admits he could reconnect the core to the reactor to re-stabilize it. And then a bunch of Bane's henchmen ambush them and open fire. And then Bruce is still in this prison. He's watching shit

on TV. And then he breaks the TV and I was like, now you don't have the TV. Now you can't see. You broke it from that one thing you didn't like. Just because you didn't like the news? Just wait a little bit and watch reruns of Gilmore Girls. Could be something good coming. Yeah, Rory and Lorelai are coming. Bruce is like,

Stars Hollow needs a new town council Taylor is corrupt so Bruce's anger builds he starts rigorously training so he can escape but he like falls down and shit and then he realizes the child escaped without the safety of the rope and chooses not to use the rope in the third attempt reaches a pivotal

point requiring a jump and a stream of bats flow from the tunnel inside the cave and startle him. But he jumps and he makes it out, throwing the rope down behind him so all the other prisoners can escape as well. He returns to Gotham as Batman. Yay. He manages to gain trust from Selina and gets to Miranda and Fox by letting Bane's men capture him as Fox's access to Bruce's backup batsuit.

This was wild. This was such an easy plan and it happens flawlessly. To escape, Selina comes in and declares to the mercenaries that Bane wants Bruce and Fox by themselves. She knocks out the mercenaries and undoes Bruce and Fox's handcuffs. Batman saves Gordon and some of the surviving cops, simultaneously lighting a huge Batman symbol

letting everyone know Gotham and Gotham know that he's back. Seeing the symbol in the sky, Bane is shocked and tells his men to keep a closer eye on Miranda. So then Batman and Bane fight. He punches Bane's mask. Some of the tubes get all undone and he's like, and then we find out that Miranda

is the child or whatever. She's Talia. She escapes from the hell on earth prison. It was sort of like the doctor was a woman. He's like, a child escaped through here. He's like, must have been Bane. Childs can be girls. Childs can be girls. Childs can be girls childs can be girls child can be girls bane had been a prisoner there and was her protector and then we get to see what's his what's the real actor's name tom hardy we get to see his actual face thank god little

seconds two seconds and then the prison doctors they repair the damage because uh he was like hurting stuff and then talia comes back and then she's like oh no and then bane's trained by the league of shadows and then talia's intention is to take revenge on batman for killing her father as well as finishing the mission of destroying gotham so she's like worse than him she's like like more evil than him. Well, she like hated her father but then she like liked him again after Batman killed him. Yeah. That's what she's, that's what the argument

is, yes. Which is wild. So Bane's about to execute Batman with a shotgun, which I've wondered why that didn't happen to every other movie. He's got a mouth hole right there. Lena crashes into the lobby on the Batpod, mortally wounds Bane by blasting him with the pod's cannons. Talia and Barsad walk out to the tumblers

where Foley shoots Barsad. Who's Barsad? One of the henchmen. Yeah, he's the kind of main henchman who you see a couple of times. Okay. Soon he and several other officers are killed when Talia orders her tumbler's driver to gun them down.

She takes control of the truck, goes off the road and crashes, and she's fatally wounded because she wasn't wearing a seat down. She takes control of the truck, goes off the road, and crashes. And she's fatally wounded because she wasn't wearing a seatbelt. When her last one was alive, she explains how her access to the reactor chamber

allowed her to set a timer to flood it, preventing the bomb from being returned there. She dies, believing she had finally completed her father's work and avenged his death.

I will say, her death scene was a little lackluster. Agree. And I feel like she just kind of was like, hey, tried, but it's going to happen. Yeah.

And then she's just dead. And then she died kind of funny. Yeah. Anyway, I'm talking. And then she just closed her little eyes and said, I won't do the rest of these lines. And it's a bummer because that character is a badass. That character is incredible.

And so what a missed opportunity. Unless maybe perhaps there was a plan to go forward with other movies that she would come back in and it's a misdirect or something like that.

But as it is a finished story, this is disappointing for a truly iconic Batman villain. They introduced so much. I feel like it should have been a one and two.

Yeah. Like, to just make it two movies. It's three hours already. I think they were already in a position where Christian Bale was like I don't want to do this anymore. And I think they were getting as much as they could.

You'll notice he's not Batman a lot in this movie. He is mostly, the trials and tribulations are him. He's in costume. Only a few key set pieces. Interesting. So Batman explains the bat has no autopilot.

He has to fly the bomb out of Gotham. And this is when Selina kisses him. I didn't think it was earned before revealing to Gordon his true identity. Batman tells him who he really is. He said, he tells Gordon what the commissioner said to him when he was first orphaned as a young boy. And so Gordon's like,

I said that to Bruce Wayne. And he's like, oh, that's Bruce Wayne. That means you are Bruce Wayne. That also makes no sense. Yeah. A, because too many people in the movie have known it's Bruce Wayne.

Yeah. First and foremost. And second, over the course of those 20 to 30 years, how many little boys has he put his coat around to give them terrible news? That's his job.

That's crazy. He says that shit all the time. Gotham City is 75% orphans. It's made up of a mostly orphan population. And he's had to deal with all of them. I wish he got it wrong. He was like, John McCain?

Tom Matheson. Just nobody we've ever heard of. That's been Tom Matheson the whole time? I didn't think it was Tom Matheson. In this scene, I felt like Christian Bale was tired because his tongue was doing a lot of work.

His tongue! Wait, no, it really was. I noticed this the whole movie. Oh, yeah. His mouth was doing different things.

Yeah. Because I think the cowl is pushing down on his... Oh. And he's also doing a voice. They all do a Batman voice so that nobody will be like,

hey, you sound like my friend Bruce Wayne. So they all have to reflect their voices. He just really pushed his teeth. It's just like a juicy tongue hanging out. And you can't see his teeth. Yeah, you can only see tongue. It's real wild. It is weird.

We're almost through the movie. So with not much time left, Batman attaches the bomb to the bat and flies away from the city out into the bay. The citizens of Gotham watch as the weapon detonates on the horizon. Also, there's a scene with children on a bus where Joseph Gordon Leavitt is with them. I think they're orphans.

He tries to walk across this bridge. They're like, no, get out of here. And they blow up the fucking bridge, which is just so rude. And then it doesn't fall on either side of where they blew it up. So everyone's fine on both sides. That made no sense. You should back away. Everybody should be dead.

Everyone's standing right by that. It was so weird. And all of this is just to disillusion Joe Gordon-Levitt with the institutions of power. Just like Bruce Wayne told him at the beginning. Throws away his little badge. Yeah. And so that now he can become Robin. Robin, which was a crazy reveal.

Yeah. So a private funeral is held for Bruce. Everyone cries. I got a little weepy. It was sad and confusing to me that they would kill him off. And Gordon tells him that they will know that it was the Batman who saved them

and blah, blah, blah. So, okay, Bruce dies. Majority of the estate is sold with the money given to Alfred and the manor given to the city of Gotham as a place for orphaned boys to stay. Strangely, one of the Wayne family treasures, a string of pearls, cannot be located. And then Blake is given a duffel bag as a part of Bruce's will when presenting his ID, a clerk. Do we see this line?

Yeah, we do. But she's like, you should use your real name. Robin. Why should he use it? She goes, I like that name. I like it. What? Who are you and why are you telling me what name to go by? When Blake later opens the duffel, he finds a spelunking rope and

GPS coordinates that lead him to the entrance of the Batcave where his light attracts a flurry of bats. Back in Applied Sciences, Fox struggles to figure out what he could have done to make the autopilot functional. He's surprised when the workers explain that the autopilot is functional. Bruce had gotten it to work six months

earlier. Yeah, I don't think I understood it either. So he left the bat plane. That's how he sees Alfred later. That's how he escapes. He was able to put it on autopilot. Okay. So then in the final shot,

we see Blake walking through a pool of water. Blake looks around as the floor starts to rise up. Oh, and Alfred sees him and Bruce and Selina in Italy. And so Bruce and Selina are a couple now, which I also like. Wait, Selina was in Italy too? Yes. She didn't clock it.

I just was like, why? But at the end, I was like, can I have another? Another Batman? I really like that they set up for Robin to appear. You are crazy. These go down pretty smooth. I enjoyed watching them. This one was tougher for me.

The first two before this, I liked much more. Yeah, same. And I will say, having now not watched this movie in many, many years, this was, I think, is the, I like this the least of the three. But this time, maybe it's just because

I've now seen so many more worse superhero movies. I really enjoyed it. I really enjoyed it. Maybe because I knew what was going to happen, and I wasn't as disappointed with certain things that went ways that I wasn't happy with or whatever. But watching this, I was like, oh, this is fun. This is good. Compared especially to true failures inside the DC and Marvel cinematic universes of like truly letting massive characters down.

Yeah. So I really enjoyed this, even though to me it's, I agree, the least. Long. Yeah, it's long. But then when you explained a bunch of stuff,

I was like, oh, that could have been explored so much more. Just make this into two movies. Or don't. Or it could have been simplified much more. Yes, or simplified. Don't do all these things. And tell a,

that's what they do, I will say, that's what they try and do in the Matt Reeves, the Pattinson movie. The Pattinson movie is a pretty straight story. Yes. I've seen it. Oh, yeah.

I loved it. I don't remember anything about it. Yeah, yeah, sure. I'm excited to watch it. But that's, I will say, that's a good comics movie to me. Yeah. It doesn't have to stay with you like, oh, my God. Look at a comic book. it's like a floppy colorful like it's supposed

to be fun and ephemeral in a way it's not supposed to be like the best movie they tried to make it so that like we now have 10 best picture nominations because the Dark Knight specifically was slighted from the Oscars and so that's the Dark Knight is why they increased the best

picture nominations from 5 to And so that's, The Dark Knight is why they increased the Best Picture nominations from five to ten so that it could include big popular hits like The Dark Knight inside of a nomination category that otherwise traditionally rewards

arthouse, indie, kind of, you know, smaller movies. Well, let's talk about the awards that this film received and the reception. The Dark Knight Rises earned $1.081 billion worldwide. It became the seventh highest grossing film of all time.

Critics gave the film generally favorable reviews. It holds 87% on Rotten Tomatoes. It was, however, the first Batman movie by Christopher Nolan that did not get any Academy Award nominations. Some critics saw the film as upholding a conservative agenda, especially in light of the Occupy Wall Street movement that was taking place at the time of its release. Nolan has denied the film criticizes the Occupy

movement and insists that none of his Batman films are intended to be political. He said, I've had as many conversations with people who have seen the film the other way around. We throw a lot of things against the wall to see if it sticks. Time for some trivia. No Wayne.

Tom Hardy standing at 5'9". I love being privy to bits that have clearly been going on for months. That you guys are confidently just barreling through, but to me sound categorically insane. You're like, okay, Turning the page and no Wayne. And I'm like, okay. I guess this is part of the show. It's our trivia portion. This is trivia. Tom Hardy, he itty bitty,

he fine nine. He had to wear three inch lips to make his character Bane appear as taller, taller than co-stars Christian Bale, Morgan Friedman, and Sir Michael Kane. And again, always shocked when I'm taller than someone. I'm like, I, taller than co-stars Christian Bale, Morgan Friedman, and Sir Michael Kane. And again, always shocked when I'm taller than someone. I'm like, I'm taller than Tom Hardy? That doesn't feel right. Well, you're taller than I would say 98% of people

in this town. I guess that's true, but I just don't think of myself as being, I mean, I think of myself as tall, but I think of movie stars as being taller than me. Yes. So that's the issue. But it's a population that is disproportionately shorter. I know. Why? You think of them as these big totemic figures in our culture.

So they must be big and towering. And then you run into them or you see them out in the world or you work with them and you're like, oh, wait a minute. They just carried you to set in a backpack. Thomas said his Bane voice was inspired by a legendary British bare knuckle boxer named Bartley Gorman. It's like a tongue twister who called himself the King of the Gypsies. Got a lot of problems there. We have a short video of that if you want to see. Do we want to see, Tom? The Batman or the Bat-Sick Assistant of 110 separate pieces.

And we know, you don't have to tell us, we certainly know we're not supposed to be saying gypsies. Yes. You don't need to tell us. We absolutely know that was a quote from someone else. Oh, yeah. That was in quotation marks. Thank you for saying that, Jason. The Batsuit consisted of 110 separate pieces.

That's way too many. The cowl was sculpted from a cast of Christian Bale's face and head to become a perfect fit for Bale. And that seems like one. So where are the other 109 pieces? I don't know. That's crazy. During production in Pittsburgh, a local man was arrested for attempting to steal an unmarked police car. He said he was an actor

and that his crime was actually a scene for the movie. Around 10,000 extras were used to shoot the football scene in Hines Field in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Some of the Pittsburgh Steelers played football players. I wondered if they were real football players. That's fun. While former Steelers coach Bill

Cowher appeared as the coach of Pittsburgh Marathon. Oh, this is going to be fun. Luke R. Ravenstahl, there we go, played a kicker. Thomas Toole, CEO of the movie's production company, Legendary Pictures, is part owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Oh, that's funny. Oh, wow. Okay, we're going to take a break, see how it was so far from the other break. Yeah, so, so far.

We're going to be back with a little more Dark Knight Rises. Just a little. Just a little bit. Just a little bit. All right. Holy Batman, Batman. There's a new segment where we rate Christian Bale on the definitive newcomer's Batman scale. We're going to use our phones to rank this Batman

across five unique characteristics. Preparedness. How prepared is this Batman? Does he use his gadgets and tools? This is part of the podcast? People listen to you do a visual bar graph? But then we talk about it. Okay. Detective ability.

Does this Batman get to be a little detective? Is he good at mystery solving? Voice gravelliness. How gravelly is this Batman's voice? Sadness. How lonely brooding emo is this Batman get to be a little detective? Is he good at mystery solving? Voice gravelliness. How gravelly is this Batman's voice? Sadness. How lonely, brooding, emo is this Batman? And finally, hotness, horniness. How hot and how horny is this Batman?

And there's the QR code. What's the QR? Do I have to do it? Hell yeah, dude. Oh, god damn it. I pride myself in not doing QR codes. Yeah, this is really special for you. I pride myself in not doing QR codes.

Yeah, this is really special for you. Somehow, I'm getting, this is head gum, just getting access to my whole thing. Is that your fear with QR codes? Yeah. I've never heard of this. Oh, yeah. You shouldn't be just clicking on QR codes. I walk around doing whatever.

I never think twice. You're like, oh, a QR code on a telephone pole? No, I don't do that. I do it on a menu. Wow, I'm taking this so seriously. That's good. Okay, I did it. Oh, nice.

Is that me or is that us? It's us together. Preparedness, we gave him a 54.7%. I felt like he was fine. I felt like he was fine. I feel like he was prepared. I don't think he was super prepared. He was like a shut-in sad man.

Well, that's true. The beginning, he's not. I think, yeah. I rated it low simply because I think like most of the movie, he is behind on things. He's not ahead of the game

because he's out of practice or out of shape. I don't think he's... I think the point of the movie is that he's not prepared. I shouldn't change my score. He's not not prepared. That's what Alfred says to him. You can't fight Bane. Bane's too dangerous. I'll have to bury another way.

I regret everything. Detective ability, 78%. We're all in the same range here on this one. He's a little slow, but he figures shit out. He could have been better. He absolutely should have foreseen her flooding the tank. That's an easy assumption. Voice gravelliness, 94.%. Yeah, pretty gravelly.

He's gravelly as all hell. And that tongue was wagging. It was really in there. You gotta come with me and you go over there. He sounds a lot like the Mel Gibson voicemails. Sadness. We gave him a 52.7%. I thought he was generally just sad, but not there are times where we've seen him be more like actually down.

This is more just like his life is kind of sad. Yeah, I agree. And then he gets sadder after Alfred reveals that Rachel was like, I didn't choose you. Yeah. And I think we're meant to be sad. I think he's sad also partially because he couldn't save Rachel. You know what I mean? I think that's part of why he's languishing and letting himself go to shit.

But that sadness isn't very well, like, seeded in the movie. No. Or it doesn't pay off. And then hotness, horniness, 38.7%. I mean, we're kind of all over the map here. I gave him a really low score. I think I gave him the highest because he looked like

a shriveled mushroom. You did or you didn't? Because I gave him a high score or a medium or high two. I don't remember. Simply because there was sex in it. Yes. Yeah.

So I was like, oh, okay. For the first time in eight years. Yeah. And I do think he gets hot when he becomes Batman again. Okay. I felt like this movie,

I was just like not feeling it for him at all, but. It's his horniness. Yeah. he becomes Batman again. Okay. I felt like this movie, I was just not feeling it for him at all. It's his horniness. Yeah. It's ours. Nicole seemed to be answering from the point of view of how horny she was in the movie. And I was like, uh-oh. Maybe that's how I made it?

It's his hotness and my horniness. Got it. How horny am I for his hotness? And it's a six on this one. A horny stew. He is, boy, just a fantastic actor. He's amazing. And a beautiful man.

Oh, yeah. No complaints. I just think he's so compelling to watch do everything, including what is oftentimes in these movies boring. Yeah. He's called upon to do very, he's not flashy. Yeah. He's very boring. Everybody else gets to be these wild eccentric

outrageous characters and he just is as bruce wayne kind of like i don't know what do you think we should do and then as batman is like i don't know what do you think we should do yeah it's true and he makes it interesting yeah yeah he makes interesting choices we were talking about like at the party in one of the other movies where he's like i need to get all these people out so i'm just going to pretend to be drunk i drunk and the flip into it is so fucking good. Oh, I know. That was so great. We love him.

Okay, time for five kapows. It's our reviews. Once again. The way you said that. This season. It's our reviews. It's our reviews section. This season we'll be reading reviews from Letterboxd.

We will be giving each film a one sentence review ourselves, including you, Jason, and a star rating. For anyone who doesn't know, Letterboxd is a social platform where people can write reviews of films, and you can follow our show on Letterboxd at Newcomers. So, we

got a three and a half stars from Jay Shmoney. He says, I need all these guys to do the Deshi Basara chant to me to get me out of bed every morning. Okay. Lauren, three and a half stars. The only thing that could possibly be better than tom brady qb tom hardy as bane is tom hardy in his myspace era as bane i'm not familiar with that i'm

not either what does that yeah i don't know what that means i have to pull it it's very quick oh yeah great this is important for the culture so think for a second about what your one sentence review would be of the film and your star rating okay let's see what his my duck lips hats what is underwear this was his myspace page yeah and what this was like him just young actor tom hardy just like yeah and then he blew up and everyone was like, in his money space? Yeah. How depressing. This is why this is bad.

You can't just be a silly teen or in your 20s and post dumb shit because people just find it. Oh, yeah. I don't think he's embarrassed by it, though. That ship has sailed for everybody. And I mean, I don't worry, I'm not worried about Tom Hardy,

but like young people who came up in this. I mean, like he's an adult in these, but like for young people to like have like the all the nonsense that they put up as teenagers be like, you know, then searchable or whatever. It's scary. Yeah, that's awful. I think kids should be 18 before they get to be on social media.

Oh, yeah. We should write a letter. Yeah. I do wonder, and I'm certain it's closer than I think but I do wonder what generation of kids will be like oh no I'll never do this I feel like it started there's like a Luddite generation or something there's like a group of people who are

completely opposed young people who don't do any of that stuff and have like dumb phones yeah look at what their parents are up to obsessed with all the social media stuff I look at like these kids who are being raised on their parents' YouTube channels. Which is so fucked up. And I'm like, this is dark.

I don't like that. And so I think there is going to be a certain generation that is like, oh no, I value my own privacy. And that'll be cool. Oh yeah. Yeah, my friend's 13 year old doesn't, she has an Instagram and posts nothing.

Yeah. And when that takes over, that's when I'm going to join social media. When there's nothing there and you're like join social media. When there's nothing there. Nobody's done a thing today. So does anyone have a review they want to give the film? Oh, I forgot. I would give it, I'm going to give this film

two stars and I'm going to say pretty long and confusing. My favorite part was the cat. I did. That was my favorite part. The cat? You know, Anne Hathaway. Oh. Isn't that what they called her?

The bat and the cat. I thought I missed an actual meow and cat. My one sentence review is too dang long. Should have been two films. Love that there was some fire sex while his electricity was out. I wish there was more Catwoman, Batman interaction, love connection time.

Three stars. That was more than a sentence. This is out of five? Yeah. Okay. Out of five stars, I'm going to give it four stars. I really enjoyed it, especially this time around. A movie that I think initially when I saw it, I probably would it, especially this time around. A movie that I think

initially when I saw it, I probably would have given it a lower rating. I remember, not disappointed, but just didn't think it was as good as the previous

two installments. But this time, I really enjoyed it. So, and my one sentence review is, understandably confusing, comma, too many characters, comma, but boy were they great,

comma, especially being played by this many incredible actors. Wow. Semicolon. We forgot to mention Aidan Gillen, Littlefinger from Game of Thrones. Okay. Tommy Carchetty from The Wire, as well as numerous other incredible character actors inside of this movie. So I had a great time.

Thank you for having me. Period. We also love to read listener reviews of our own program. This one's from Wendigo. It's five stars. So in case you've listened to this whole show and thought it was bad, we'd love an opportunity to convince you differently. Honestly, this person gave it five stars, so I think it's going really well.

Without fail, this show makes me laugh until my face hurts. Thank you so much. Please, everyone, go write a review on Apple Podcasts because we pick one to read on every episode. And you can rate us on Spotify. It just takes two seconds to click the stars. All five stars, please. Do you have anything you want to plug?

I'll plug the How Did This Get Made podcast. It's very funny. It's very funny. And also, if you haven't listened to it, if maybe you've just tuned into this podcast

to listen to the Batman season, our discussion of the Marvel, your season on the Marvel movies, I thoroughly enjoyed. It was really fun. So go back and listen to that. That was a blast. Thank you so much for doing this. We really appreciate that. We thoroughly enjoyed it. It was really fun. So go back and listen to that. That was a blast. Thank you so much for doing this.

We really appreciate that. We really do. Oh, an absolute pleasure. I really, I had a great time re-watching this movie and getting to sit and chat with you both

is an absolute treat. Thank you. It really is a nice treat. Thank you for coming. Thank you for having me and letting me be nerdy and overly explainy about Batman. You literally explained the plot.

You literally helped us understand what we watched. If there are people who have been watching these or have enjoyed these and you want to read some comics that are Batman, I can't imagine you guys will want to. But on the off chance, the Ed Brubaker, Darwin Cook Catwoman stories I mentioned before are fantastic. The Scott Snyder Batman run that includes the Court of Owls storyline is phenomenal. The recent Tom King

Batman and Catwoman book that is a love story between Batman and Catwoman and is absolutely dynamite. That's a fairly recent one. I think maybe Greg Smallwood did the art. Oh, that might be wrong.

But anyway, I think those are some very, as well as the iconic, the Dark Knight Rises, the movie, it references in title a very iconic Batman story written and drawn by Frank Miller called The Dark Knight Rises. That is rather Dark Knight Returns rather is an iconic Batman 1980s Batman story. That is truly it's a one book that you can read and is incredible.

You're very convincing, but I've been tricked before. I watched that last Guardians of the Galaxy movie and I was like, I don't give a shit. Why am I doing this to myself? Sometimes we get confused by this podcast and think we actually want to do more. I also think that once you start getting deep into things, that was three. That was Guardians three. And also the Guardians themselves have now also been a part of the Thor story and the Avengers story. So I think it's very hard to jump into casually now the Marvel movies because they are, you

have to have watched so much stuff. Yeah, you have to do homework. To feel like you are on the same page as the characters. Can I say, I think Marvel and all these movies where you have to watch other stuff should do what my big fat Greek wedding three did, which is explain what happened in the first two before. I'm like, I just rewatched the first two actually because I was have to watch other stuff. She'd do what my Big Fat Greek Wedding 3 did, which was explain what happened in the first two. I'm like, I just rewatched the first two actually because I was excited to watch the new one. I think her name is Nia Vardalos.

She comes on screen before the movie and goes, if you don't remember what happened in my Big Fat Greek Wedding 1, and here's what happened in my Big Fat Greek Wedding 2. They should do that. Great. They should, because in comics, I will say, to bring it back, in comics,

when you open, in modern comics, if you open up a Batman book or if you open up a lot of books, there will be a page that catches you up to the story right now.

That's great. That's really smart. That is like, because a lot of times in comics, a storyline will unfold over 12 or 24, 36 issues

and then those writers, that writer and artist will move on to another book. And that story will be reduced to zero again. And a new story will emerge, if that makes sense. Sometimes they agree with each other. Sometimes they are drastically different. But they don't do that in the movies.

Star Wars doesn't do it. The Ahsoka show that's on right now, I think think would benefit greatly from an explainer video in front of it. It's a Star Wars show. Ahsoka? Ahsoka. It's a character that Rosario Dawson plays. It's based on. It's about Sammy Sosa?

It's Sammy Sosa. It's Ahsoka, Tano, and Sammy Sosa. And she's got her lightsabers. He's got his bat. And they are going to town on the Sith. I didn't know Rosario Dawson was in Star Wars. Yes. Star Wars in the TV world.

In the series. But not in the movies I saw? Not yet in the movies that you've seen. Correct. Look, we could really do this all day. I could do this all day to quote Captain America. We are going to be back next week. She's crying because she remembers that.

Thank you also for indulging me and watching the Prince video. No, that was great. They're going to be back next week. She's crying because she remembers that. Thank you also for indulging me and watching the Prince video. No, that was great. I actually need to see more of that. I'm going to go home and watch the rest of it. We're going to be watching Batman v Superman extended cut. Why are we doing that? I don't like when I see those parenthetical words. How long is that?

It's so long that you're going to be upset. Because this was like almost three hours. Here's what I'm going to say. It's going to be similar. Here's what I'm going to say. You're going. How many of the Snyder movies are you doing? Just that one.

Just that one? Okay. Is that the Snyder Cut? It is the Snyder Cut, but this is not the Snyder Cut. Okay. That's Justice League Dawn of Justice. Right? Isn't that?

Is Batman in that? Batman v Superman isn't the Snyder Cut. It's the next one, right? I'm pretty sure. Maybe I'm wrong actually. I'm pretty sure. Wait, are you guys going to watch the Snyder Cut? I thought that's what we were watching, but I've never seen it. No, I think Snyder Cut is Justice League.

Yeah, that's the whole thing. This is different. We did it on How to Just Get Made and it's like over four hours long. The Snyder Cut. That's too long. That's upsetting. Oh, this one's only three hours long.

Only three hours. But that's still better than four. This is Ben Affleck as Batman. Henry Cavill as Superman. Oh. This is the modern DC movies that are Henry Cavill as Superman, Ben Affleck, Wonder Woman is Gal Gadot. Um, uh,

you know, a cyborg there, there's a cyborg in justice league. There's an Aquaman. There's a, um, there's a flash. There's a,

this is the beginning of what this series of stories has been. Okay. Okay. Um, modern DC, uh, movies. These were done in a vacuum.

The Batman movies were done at a time when no other DC movies were being made, really. So they exist alone. There is no Superman in Christian Bale's universe. And then there's no Batman in the Superman universe. There is. Ben Affleck's Batman. Oh, in which Superman? I'm sorry.

Who's that man? Christopher? Christopher Reeves? Christopher Reeves didn't have a Batman. Oh, in which Superman? I'm sorry. Who's that man? Christopher? Christopher Reeves? Christopher Reeves didn't have a Batman. I don't think Brandon Routh had a Batman either, but the Henry Cavill Superman has Ben Affleck as a Batman.

Wish us luck. It's exhausting. Oh my god! If you can imagine a movie that is going to feel more dark and dour than these movies, it is the Snyder movies. Dark? Yeah. I know.

There isn't the same kind of levity. And these didn't have, like, there's no, that's what's missing in these. There's, like, five jokes in each movie. That's what I was just going to say. There's not enough jokes. Not that they need joke jokes. Yeah. But there can be

quips. Quippy dialogue. And that is very much more the hallmark of Marvel. Like Spider-Man quips. Like there are characters who quip and joke in

those stories and in DC less so. They're all because all the heroes in the DC universe are gods and aliens. That throws me off. And a lot of the Marvel universe are gods and aliens. That throws me off. And a lot of the Marvel universe

is teenagers. So Marvel comic book stories are oftentimes coming of age stories. The X-Men, Spider-Man, a lot of them are coming of age stories versus a lot of the DC stories are like gods and aliens come to Earth and you have to reckon

with that. What happens if there's an omnipotent character who arrives on earth it is funny that superman arrives on earth and is like i'll defend it i would just go back home there's a great it's blown up he doesn't he can't go home is he when he's at home is he like a hot guy from earth like he looks like that what do you mean oh when he looks like a human when he's here. Yeah. And that's just his shape that he's in?

Yeah. Is he human on the alien planet? On Krypton, we're really getting off. Kryptonians, the people that are the species

or the whatever that occupy the planet of Krypton look human. They are human. Oh, okay. He is, and they don't have

superpowers. Superman has superpowers on Earth because our sun is different than their sun. And our sun, the yellow sun, this is all, again, this was all made up in like the 30s and 40s. Our sun gives him superpowers on Earth. And sometimes if he goes elsewhere, that's not the case. Does he have superpowers at night? Yes.

Oh, okay. Yeah. So it's like a battery. It's like, I don't know if it's a battery or he can just, yeah, I don't know. I'm not sure. But there is a great comic, I will say, that is called Red Son,

that is what if Superman's pod as a baby landed in Soviet Russia and he became the Superman of the communists and what does the world look like if Superman was part of the wrong side of the Cold War well not good because if Vladdy Puth's got a Superman

that's not good he's called Pewdieman he's called Pootieman Pootie-Tang? we're getting somewhere here and it's called Pootie-Tang are you guys doing the Pootie Man. Pootie Tang? We're getting somewhere here. And it's called Pootie Tang. Are you guys doing the Pootie Tang movies next? Well, we appreciate you so much. Thank you so much.

Thank you for letting me meander all over. Oh, it was the best. We will see you all next week with Batman v Superman. Bye! Bye! Bye! Ali Khan. Our executive producer is Anya Khanofskaya. The show is edited, mixed, and mastered by Faris Manchi, who also composed our theme song. Follow us on Letterboxd, at Newcomers, and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts.

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