Newcomers: Sports, with Nicole Byer and Lauren Lapkus - The Dark Knight (w/ Sean Clements and Hayes Davenport)

Episode Date: February 20, 2024

Lauren and Nicole continue through the Christopher Nolan Batman-verse with very special guests Sean Clements and Hayes Davenport (Hollywood Handbook) covering 2008’s The Dark Knight with Christian Bale returning as Batman and Heath Ledger as the Joker. Together, they attempt to answer one of life’s biggest questions: “Why so serious?”, give proper ode to Katie Holmes, and wonder collectively about Alfred’s mysterious past in Burma. Next week's movie: The Dark Knight Rises (2012). Follow Sean: Instagram, TwitterFollow Hayes: TwitterListen to Hollywood Handbook on Headgum!Like the show? Rate Newcomers 5 stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Nicole and Lauren to read on the pod!Follow the podcast on Letterboxd.Advertise on Newcomers via Gumball.fmSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a HeadGum Original. Where do we begin? A year ago, these cops and lawyers wouldn't dare cross any of you. I mean, what happened? So what are you proposing? It's simple. Kill the Batman. Here's my card. Bruce, this is Harvey Dent.

Rachel's told me everything about you. I certainly hope not. You almost told me that we'd be together. Did you mean it? Bruce, don't make me your only hope for a normal life. You're Alfred, right? That's right, sir. Any psychotic ex-boyfriends I should be aware of?

Oh, you have no idea. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. We're tonight's entertainment. Well, hello, beautiful. You look nervous. I've seen now what it has to become to stop men like him. The night is darkest just before the dawn. And I promise you, the dawn is coming.

And here we go. This city deserves a better class of criminal. I'm gonna give it to him. No! You'll see. I'll show you. You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

Will you be wanting the Bat-Pot, sir? Middle of the day, Alfred? Not very subtle. The Lamborghini, then. Much more subtle. The Dark Knight! That was one of the worst. That was bad. Yeah. I'm Lauren Lapkus.

And I'm tired of this. I'm Nicole Byer. And we're so deep in right now. We're covering Batman. This is the eighth episode of the sixth season. We are working our way through the Batman universe with the help of fellow newcomers, super fans, and sometimes even people who've contributed. And guess what? This is going to be 14 episodes culminating in a very exciting live stream episode, episode,

episode. We're going to cover as much as we can to get an overview of the franchise, but we're not going to get to every dang thing. No, and today we're going to be discussing the second Christopher Nolan Batman movie, The Dark Knight, also starring Christian Bale. So we're glad about that. We love Christian Bale. The Dark Knight is available with a subscription on Max Prime Video.

And you can watch it for a fee on Apple TV Plus or Google Play or Vodoo. And obviously we're going to spoil the film. We're going to spoil every second of it. Every little bit. So watch it if you care. Imagine listening to this and not watching any of the things we're talking about. I'm sure people do. Some people do. But that's just interesting.

I wonder why. If you do that, tell us. Yeah, write us a five star review where you explain why you do that. That's a good idea. I was like, find me on the street and tell me. Well, our guests today are writers, comedians, and producers who you can now hear right here on HeadGum on their shows Hollywood Handbook and The Flagrant Ones. It's Shawn Clements and Hayes Davenport. Yay!

Hi, hi, hi, hi, hi. Hi. Thank you. Our first cross promo, hi. Hi. Thank you. Our first cross promo on HeadGone. Thank you. We got around to it. Big day for the studio. This is a big one.

And you have your special hats that I've been hearing so much about. Yeah. Let me flip it around for a second so people can see the hat pack. You guys are the hat pack similar to the practice. We now mostly sell hats. We're trying to not do podcasts anymore. Transitioning out of podcasts and into hat sales. More hat guys.

Yeah. Okay. We are so excited to talk about this movie. I mean, one of the best in the whole character and featuring the most iconic villain, Mr. Lau. The mysterious Mr. Lau. The mysterious Mr. Lau. You hear Batman and it just, the image jumps in your head

of Mr. Lau thwarting him at every turn. You know, going to a country with no expedition. The thing people all remember, the 50 minutes of the movie that's just dealing with Mr. Loud.

Oh, yeah. When I think of Batman, I think of him doing international travel to extradite a criminal who has fled Gotham. I don't know. I thought it was pretty impressive. I was like, wow, a boat with ladies and he swam to a plane? Yeah, I did like the boat. And it was cool. How familiar are you guys with Batman or the DC universe in general?

Is that something you are passionate about? I've seen a lot of the Batman movies and I like the Batman movies and I like Batman as a character because I like detective stuff. But I was not a I was a Marvel Comics person. So I didn't really read a lot of Batman comics. But I loved when I was a kid the like Tim Burton movies. Yeah. And saw all these Nolan ones in the theater as soon as they came out. Which one's your favorite?

Me? Well, you know, I don't know. I mean, I did rewatch the original, like the Michael Keaton Batman. It was like, this is great. Like, I love it. It's so fun.

And then I think in my mind, I thought these movies were better. The Nolan ones. I have revisited Batman begins, which we talked about a little bit before recording. And I think I've rewatched that one more because I like the training. And I like, I like an origin story.

And we felt like it was such a good origin story. So now we've seen seven. The first in a trilogy. I tend to, I think I like the first lord of the rings better too like even though the other ones got more gross i don't like it but i think like this the first one i've decided in my mind i was like well the dark knight is the best one but as i rewatched i was like i think i like batman begins better i think i do too i agree

okay whoa okay yeah midway through the movie, I was like, this one's the best one. The one we just watched was the best one. Yeah, I know. Wait, Hayes, thoughts on Batman in general.

This one is my favorite by a lot. And growing up reading comics, I mostly followed comics writers that I really liked. And there's a guy named Grant Morrison that did one called Arkham Asylum that was really scary to me when I was a little kid. And it's about the Joker man.

And he does. The Joker man? The Joker man. And he has some new work. That's in the comics. Oh, really? His name is the Joker man? Yeah, that's what they call him in the comics always.

Yes, that's purely a movie invention that he's called the Joker. The Joker man. Exactly, yeah. I think it was just the person typing the script thought it was too long to write man every time. Yeah, and they have to make it. This movie's two and a half hours long. And I think the Bob Dylan song, Joker Man, had become so popular by the time they started making the films, they didn't want confusion. A reference? I don't know.

I don't actually know if I know that. Can you pull up Joker Man and play all of it right now? Seven minutes long. Oh, great. You'll like it. I think that was enough. Sounds vaguely like something I know. Yeah.

I saw this one in New York, which is canonically right next to Gotham. And so like Gotham is like the city. I thought it was Chicago. No, Gotham is like the city. Chicago. No, Gotham is like in the comics, Gotham and New York are like just right, just sit right next to each other.

Oh, they actually, like that's known. Like it's next to New York. They're like. Or it's not just because it feels like. They're like neighbors. Joker Man grew up in New York and moved to Gotham.

So he has a little bit of like, sort of like other like big city crap. Yes. And I loved it so much and I still really liked it rewatching it this time. And I also so I work in City Hall now and just that this movie is weirdly so much about municipal government. You work in City Hall now? Yes, I do. I want to know more about that.

Yeah, what do you do? That's okay. We could do that another time. No, just really quickly. Yeah, real quick. I don't know what real jobs are. I work in a city council office. Doing what?

My title's senior advisor, so I just give out all my famous advice. A place to old people. Where's Metropolis? Metropolis is also right next to Gotham and New York. How are there so many cities? They're all right there.

That's crazy. Yeah, it seems weird. They're right next to each other. It feels... Well, easier to trade between them and things like that. And for crime-fighting purposes, obviously, it's easier. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you can go home in New York and then go to Gotham. Yeah, so Spider-Man's in New York, Superman's in Metropolis, and Batman's in Gotham.

But they're all right there. Superman's from Kansas. Superman's from Kansas? yeah but he but he operates in Metropolis I thought he was from like space I mean we watched him

be born is he from space? I mean where are we from you know this is another conversation not born but like what would you say if people were like

where are you from no Spider-Man like I met Angelina at this point yeah but if people said where are you from I would I've lived here you know for as long as you say here even though that's not accurate when people ask me where I'm an Angelino at this point yeah but if people said where are you from I would I've lived here you know for as long as

you say here even though that's not accurate when people ask me where I'm from I say I grew up in Los Angeles even though I was born in Connecticut

but from like an improv perspective yeah that's where I really came into my own as an improv performer and that's really how you know you're grown

I mean that's becoming like a real grown-up. Everything before was like whatever. School and having parents. But I love about this movie, compared to all the Marvel movies you guys watched already, and it's like the world is falling apart or whatever, this movie's about the frickin' mayor

and just what's going on in this one city. And it makes you invest in it just as much as Thanos is going to kill half the people in the world. Yeah, I thought that was a pretty rude idea. And I didn't understand why. Why do you want to kill half the people again? Okay, he explains it at length. I haven't seen it, but it seems like something that he would cover. I can't do that.

But let's take a quick break. We'll be back with more about the Dark Knight. And we're back. This is the first movie not released in June. This is from my observations. This is the one thing you're really locking in. They always come out in June. Can I guess when it was released?

Yes. July. But what date? Well, I mean, that's a lot. Well, if you're going to guess. Oh, my God. If you're going to guess the actual date. Let's go. We also looked at the script. Oh, my God. If you're going to guess the actual date. Let's go.

We also looked at the script. Yeah, you were. I did read the entire script. He was reading my personal diary. He was just sitting out here. My diary. Wow, not our diary. I guess get here before your guests if you don't want them to read the entire script.

Oh, my God. I think it was July 18th. Yes, because you see right here. Well, I don't know. July 18th. What year? But I'm not looking at it now. What year?

So the memorization. That's the scale. What year? 2008. July 18th. What year? But I'm not looking at it now. What year? So the memorization of what year? 2008. Yes. Okay. Absolutely. There's cheaters in the house. No, no, no, no. I remember. Christopher Nolan, Jonathan Nolan. At the time I was anticipating the financial crisis. That's why I was in New York to warn

everybody. I put my cheaters on. And David S. Goyer. Okay, was it Christopher Nolan's brother, Jonathan? He's like, you want to write the film with me? Or his son? Or his dad? Or his cousin? It is his brother.

Cool. He and my wife are working together on a show right now. He kicks ass. Amazing. That's fun. Fun fact about Christopher and Jonathan Nolan. Yes. Jonathan goes by Jonah mostly. Christopher's fun. Fun fact about Christopher and Jonathan Nolan. Jonathan goes by Jonah mostly.

Christopher is British. Jonathan is not British. How? I think someone told me this. Are they half siblings? No, they are full-on siblings. And how did that happen? Basically, they moved to the States, as Christopher would say. Jonathan would just call it America.

Home. Here. Yeah, here. When Christopher's older and he had basically become British. His Britishness was like set. He was British pilled. Yes. He was already British pilled.

He was a little kid and he learned to speak with the British accent. At some point it just locks in. Yeah. And Jonah was young enough still at the time that they moved that it had not like fully set. That is actually so odd. That's very funny. That must not happen very often. Wait, how far apart are they?

I think only, not that far. So like in school, like one of them's like. But Jonah has a Chicago type accent. That's wild. They sound nothing alike. That's so interesting. Yeah. It's weird.

Wait, that's like that movie we watched, Batman something. With Alicia Silverstone. Oh, Batman and Robin. Because she's like, I'm from England. Yes. And we were like, no, you're not. You don't have an accent. But maybe it's like that.

Oh my God. Selling Sunset. Are those little twins named the Oppenheimer? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The oppenheimer yeah yeah yeah the oppenheim thank you yeah i thought that must have been kind of exciting for them when their name was being talked about so much on everybody's lips this summer um well we are going to jump into the plot of this film we're going to get into it and we want to thank so deeply the batman fandom wiki because they really helped they helped so so much. They helped us know what happened.

Okay, we love you. So, jumping right in. Yeah. Okay, about nine months after the end of Batman begins, the Dark Knight opens with a gang of masked criminals robbing a mafia-owned bank in Gotham City, each betraying and killing each other until the sole survivor, the Joker, Heath Ledger, reveals

himself as the mastermind and escapes with the money. I thought this was pretty cool. Now, what I'm realizing as I was watching this was I saw this movie when it came out and had never seen the one before. And there's a lot you need to know from the previous one, I felt. But also helpful in some ways that you had not seen, for example, a completely different actress. That's true. Playing one of the main characters.

But you don't know their backstory. They don't fill you in that they have this relationship. So you kind of have to know. And you don't even know through most of the movie that she knows who Batman is. I was going like, wait, does she know?

She does know that he's Batman, right? If she's Katie Holmes, Maggie Gyllenhaal replaced her. But like that really confused me and then I was like I felt like they should have filled people in a little bit on their past. Yes. I feel like

they, no I guess they really did. They say that she was like basically childhood friends with Bruce Wayne. It's like one line. But it's pretty deep in that she makes it clear that she knows that Bruce Wayne is Batman. In other movies, I feel like they would have gone harder with establishing who everyone is, especially because of the new actress. And it's been like, Rachel Dawes, the same person that, can you believe all that stuff

happened to you in the last movie? And that was you. It's the same person can you believe all that stuff happened to you in the last movie and that was you yeah it's the same person but does she have a different job no oh no because in the first scene

they're in the court right but she works she was a district attorney previously oh we just never saw her in court

I think she was just always walking down the hall yeah okay yeah this is one of my big observations about this movie though Oh, we just never saw her in court. I think she was just always walking down the hall and stuff. Yeah, okay. This is one of my big observations about this movie, though. I think of Christopher Nolan as like,

he made all these other movies where he's very comfortable with the audience being confused for a lot of the movie. Inception. Yeah, Inception. And then I went, but he made those mainstream Batman movies that everybody likes that were a lot clearer. And then I watched this and I go, no, he also was willing to let you be confused. Because that first like scene where the there's like copycat Batman vigilante. Yes.

That has not been explained. There's other Batman's popping up and they're beating them up. And it's like, that's not really him. And then they're cutting to him watching. And I was like, oh, he's just okay with the audience being in a place of discomfort and being like, which I guess he didn't care. I mean, he probably wasn't thrilled, but switching actresses and just going like, they'll figure it out as they go. They'll figure out how they know each other. But he'll leave it and let you figure it out a half hour later.

And he doesn't care if part of the movie you're going like, wait, who's that? Yeah. Yeah. The people who are pretending to be Batman, I didn't get that for like a minute. No, they don't talk about it until later. I was like, wait, what? And then I was like, oh, I guess they're pretending to be Batman. And I didn't get why.

They're kind of doing a good job. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Except that they have guns. Yeah. Which batman yeah when i saw the gun i was like wait batman has a gun then when batman bent the gun i was like that was hot uh the vigilante batman christian bale district attorney harvey dent aaron eckard who's wearing one of the worst wigs I have ever fucking seen. No, that's a nasty ass wig. That was a wig. It was sick.

I don't know who approved it. It was very bad and I hated it. You don't see a lot of men with naturally really blonde hair. No, not like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With no part, no scalp, nothing. Good point. He didn't have a scalp.

He has just the most amazing look. And I think that crazy wig compliments his look. Yes. He has basically a cup holder for a dimple on his chin. His jaw is the strongest jaw on earth. Strong jaw. You could tell me it was fake and I would believe that. I would also believe you.

And I think he's good, but it's almost a miscast, I feel like, because you are supposed to, by the end of the movie, this guy's supposed to be like the purest good until something happens to him. I never thought he was good. Yeah, he's got a little bit of a like slightly villainous, like inequality. I always thought he was bad. Trust

Aaron Eckhart. I didn't trust him, I thought he gives off pure evil vibes. Yeah, he's been introduced to society gives off pure evil vibes. He's been introduced to society as pure evil in the company of men. Thank you for smoking. That's the most evil character I've ever seen. The whole

idea of that character is he's the most sociopathic, toxic male ever alive. Aaron Eckhart is perfect for that character. It was so confusing to me though because now that we've watched though because I I'm watching now that we've watched all these I'm like oh so he's gonna be two-faced yes and I vaguely remembered that about him from when I saw this a long time ago but then I was like so he's bad

like I just was like yeah you're just assuming that something is wrong the turn only works to becoming two-faced if you've been like I I trust this man with my life implicitly and you're always like, I don't, I don't think so. I don't think he likes his girlfriend. I don't like her at all. No, never.

I feel like he just wanted to like get ahead and like win her over. He wanted to get her instead of Bruce or whatever. Yes. You're just like,

what's he running the whole time? It's so true. But you're not supposed to think that. He looks right. It's good. There's like comic book-y

elements of the movie where it's like some of the people just look, like you said, like the bad wig I think is part of like, it looks like you could draw it. Like you could draw this character. And like, is it Eric Roberts as like the crime boss too? He looks like he walked off a comic book page in a way that's cool. I had a friend who did a movie with Aaron Eck eckert and just talked like he was going back he was going to do reshoots with him and like i didn't i don't know what the movie is i don't even remember but he just was like going back to uh did we and i was like what's that is he like

a dickhead he's like no no he's not he's just like got like a frat bro energy coupled with like super passionate artist like about the acting. So it's like, come on, bro. We're going to fucking do this scene today. Like, let's do this. It's just like he's like, it's just like it's good. Like, I sort of like that. I like that. It's really tiring.

I like it. Like, I like that. I like when people are giving themselves up to what's corny about what we're doing. Yeah. But I could see how that would be like after 12 hours. I can see it. As soon as I heard it, I could totally see it. I'm like, he's really into it.

And he has a little bit of a like, just like physicality. Can you believe it? Like, it's like a sports team thing. But like, but we're, But we're in a play. You gotta have some of those. I like it. I like someone who has so much energy that it seems like they pass away at night.

He goes home and he turns into a huss. He doesn't give it all to his friends or family. And comes back fully revitalized with an entirely new body. Kevin Hart is one of those people who I think passes away at night. He comes back fully revitalized, like an entirely new body. Kevin Hart is one of those people who I think passes away at night.

I was on the set of Ride Along 2 doing interviews or something, and he was doing this scene, and the director gave him a note. He didn't do any of the note, but he was like, came down the stairs funny, and he was like, just walk down the stairs, and he kept walking down the stairs funny and I was like this is insane this man must just not listening but delivering

something else that's great I just feel like they just swap them out at night and police lieutenant Jim Gordon Gary

I call him Gary Oldman but I think it's Oldman ally to eliminate Gotham's organized crime Bruce Wayne publicly supports Dent as Gotham's legitimate prosecutor as Wayne believes Dent to be the white knight of Gotham's organized crime. Bruce Wayne publicly supports Dent as Gotham's legitimate prosecutor as Wayne believes Dent to be the white knight of Gotham City,

the hero to the people that Batman cannot be. Bruce also realizes Dent's success will allow the Batman to retire, allowing him to romantically pursue his childhood friend and Gotham's assistant district attorney, Rachel Dawes, Maggie Gyllenhaal, despite her relationship with Dent. Yeah, I feel like I never processed them saying he's the white knight. I feel like they, I just thought they were all wrong.

I just. That's totally. And they say it so much. They do say it. And it's the entire premise of the movie. But you're still just like, no. Because even at the end. This guy, no.

I was like, why is he getting credit? Like, I was so confused. I truly did not get that he was supposed to be good. Yeah. Because. They didn't do a good job of that because they didn't do a good job. They didn't do a good job of showing him being good. They just said it a bunch.

And they were like, people are going to like, you know, revolt if like they find out that this good man murdered people with his eyeball almost falling out. But like they should know that, by the way. It was insane. It was wild. What if it's like a commentary on our the way that we see politicians I mean maybe and they get disillusioned we like think that they're so great

but then yeah yeah yeah but Bruce Wayne does believe that too and so does Batman like again you sort of wonder if Bruce Wayne is like

trying to expose him just like the villainous Mr. Lau right? But like he really does believe in in Aaron Eckhart's character but this also him just like the villainous Mr. Lau right but like he really does believe in Aaron Eckhart's character but this also

talks about like his main motivation is to steal his GF like that's what the entire thing is about so he can does want to smash and he also like the reason that he believes in him so much is that he has dinner with him as Bruce Wayne.

And Aaron Eckhart is going like, dude, Batman rocks. I love Batman. And Bruce Wayne is going like, I think he is the real deal. That is funny. Because it is exactly what happened. He's a fan of my shit. I'm a fan of him. But when they have the dinner, Bruce is like, let's push tables together.

And then Harvey's like, no. And I'm like, he's being a dick. He wasn't being a warm, inviting mayor. He was like, no. And then he's like, I don't think we can do that. He's like, I own this place. And then they do. And I'm like, Harvey doesn't want to have dinner with you.

It was another example of him not being. Because he knows that. Doesn't he know that there's something between them? Oh, that's his past. Yeah, that's his childhood best friend. And there might be something there them? Oh, that's his past. Yeah, that's like his childhood best friend and there might be something there. Okay, but that was not explained. Christopher Nolan wants you to infer things.

I'm just supposed to know that from the previous film. Yeah, he really wants the audience to do some of the work and I'm not used to that. Yeah, that's tough for me. I watch Real Housewives. I'm used to it being done for me. So at the trial of crime boss Maroney, Dent and Rachel flip Dent's lucky coin to decide who will lead the proceedings. Macaroni.

Sorry, just go ahead. And again, I thought they hated each other in this scene when they're about to. Sure. Dent wins and defends himself against an assassination attempt in the courtroom by a corrupt witness. Gotham's mob bosses see the combined effort of Dent, Batman, and Gordon as a threat and decide to meet and discuss how to handle it. Their Chinese accountant, Lao, informs them that he has secretly relocated

the mob's money to Hong Kong to prevent the police from seizing it with an imminent bank raid. The Joker arrives, kills one of the boss's henchmen with a magic trick, suggests that Lao will give them all up to the police if he's caught, and proposes that he kill Batman

for half of the mob's money. They laugh him off with one of the mob bosses' gamble, even off to go ransom on Joker's life, and the Joker leaves, leaving one of the Congressmen. The money was hidden. He put himself in Hong Kong, and then the money was hidden. Hidden somewhere. They don't say exactly where it was.

I don't believe they moved all the currency, and they show them loading it into a truck from the different banks. You don't move it to Hong Kong. And it's still in the truck. The Joker burns some of it later while they're in Gotham. Cross that out. Yes, exactly. It's the Batman Wiki.

Now, we got to meet the Joker. It is an exciting moment. I sent you a screenshot because I had the subtitles on. And then the Joker walks in and he's like, ooh, ee, ah, ah, ee, ah, ooh, ee, ha, ha, ha. And I was like, what? I like that.

Yeah, I like that too. I hope he wrote that out. I always wonder if the subtitles are based on what is being said or what the script says because sometimes they're different. Oh.

Yeah. Like they don't say exactly what the actor said. And sometimes you go, oh, they condensed this line for time so the subtitles would be correct. But sometimes you go, oh, they condensed this line for time. So the subtitles would be correct. But sometimes you go, oh, this actor ad-libbed something else.

So they just never fixed it. I don't know why that is. Well, on my show, Subtitles On, we talk a lot about subtitles. Is this a thing? Yes. We don't talk a lot about subtitles. Oh, OK. But they're on.

They're on. And I watch the movies with the subtitles well I'm doing it especially with this because it really helps me understand the scene and if you're reading

you have to stay awake yeah and I can't be on my phone it's all good yeah I like the little TV I was on I was like

this is not high tech me too and it also reminded me of Lost did you watch Lost? sure didn't just like that old TV sort of like coming through do every episode you gotta do of Lost I honestly you watch Lost? Sure didn't. Just like that old TV show coming through.

Do every episode. You gotta do Lost. Of Lost? Yes. I honestly would watch it all again. Newcomer's to Lost. Oh, yeah. It's good.

I loved Lost. I guess I'd watch it. Later, the joke- That'd be fun. Nicole, you would love it. Would I? I don't know. It's fun.

I don't know if you would, but it is fun. I still think we should kind of do Survivor. Have you seen Survivor? No. I haven't seen Survivor would, but it is fun. I still think we should kind of do Survivor. Have you seen Survivor? No. I haven't seen Survivor either. Oh, gosh. Oh, guys. The premise is just people love Survivor.

People do love it. But what would you be doing? Look how good this would be. It's already happening. Would you be starting from season one? I think we have to do the current season. Probably. How many seasons?

There's like 40 seasons? The first season was like a million years ago. There are. I think 39 is starting soon or is it whereas i'm sorry 40 wait 45 i think so wait it's been on for 40 no i'm sorry we are past that because i remember that 40 was winners at war where they brought back all the winners from the first like 40 seasons but i want to say that i just saw jeff probst announced the premiere date of the new season with 90 minute episodes and and i do have to see now what number it was it's gotta be and i want to pitch to sean here's how i think it should work and i haven't seen as much as sean has. Yeah, it's 45. But I do think you should start with season one, but then just like pick the big seasons.

Oh, okay. Yeah, because it's some of the first few seasons are like not good. And it was before reality TV was totally figured out. So like when it's a not good season, it's like a real slog. Yeah. But I think I know who won the first one. A man named Richard. Yeah. Richard Hatch. And he was like naked

all the time. Yeah. He was always naked. He then committed tax fraud and got arrested. Did he spend the money he won? Well, he claims that Survivor said they were gonna pay the taxes for it. It's like a whole thing.

Then he couldn't get brought back. Oh, no, Richard. Then he couldn't get brought back. Richard, Richard, Richard. Anyway, Batman. Batman, Batman. We need the Joker. I just want to say briefly that I appreciate that they never talked about his parents in this movie. Batman's?

Yes. He's 48 years old or whatever he is. That is true, but I liked the way they handled it in the previous movie. I liked it too. But we now know enough about him. We don't need to know it. Yeah, we don't need to know it. And Joker, obviously, Heath Ledger is amazing. I mean, I feel like it in the previous movie. I liked it too. But we now know enough about him. We don't need to know it. Yeah, we don't need to know it.

And Joker, obviously, Heath Ledger is amazing. I mean, I feel like it's... He was great. It's so creepy. It was very fun. Yeah. Later, the Joker ambushes Gamble. Is that how you say it?

I said Gamble. Gamble at his headquarters, holding him with a knife in his mouth and explains how he got his scars. In a drunken rage, his father stuck a knife in the Joker's mouth, asking him, why so serious? And offering to put a smile on his face,

he kills Gamble and holds tryouts among Gamble's men for a spot in his crew. Well, we don't know if one of these stories is true. It's two truths and a lie. Yeah, which one's true? He's like, when he goes to slice everyone, he says a different story. Give them a Glasgow smile. But also, it's like, just kill people. Why tell a little story? Just to a Glasgow smile. But also it's like, just kill people. Why tell a little story?

Just to make him scared. That's the part he likes. He likes to watch them. It's not just about death. I mean, that's why he doesn't use a gun. Yeah, he did explain he likes to watch the emotions. He uses a knife because he wants to see them scared. So with the help of Wayne Enterprises CEO Lucius Fox, I love Lucius!

Morgan Freeman, Bruce travels to Hong Kong to capture Lau, delivering him to Gotham police. Lau takes a plea deal, giving up the name of all his clients and the mob bosses are arrested. innocent people every day. The police find DNA on the cards the Joker leaves behind. They realize that they're the next on his list. Commissioner Loeb, Judge Sorello, and Dent. Gordon can't move fast enough to protect Sorello and Loeb. Sorello's car blows up.

That was wild. And Loeb drinks poisoned whiskey. So this was when they found, yeah, they found all those little Joker cards. And then, yeah. They had the DNA of three prominent people. How did he do that? Just as you talk about

the people that are getting targeted and stuff, you are sort of asking, it never comes up, but just like, where is the president? Where is the... Yeah.

Where is the FBI? This on its own, it feels like. Because Gotham goes through a lot in this movie. And people are also talking about... And is the mayor of New York

worried? Like, they're right next door. Yeah, they're right there. Joker can cross over back to his hometown. It's George W. Bush's second term. Like, where is

George W. Bush? Yeah. He's, like, reading books to kids. He feels like he'd have to make a statement or something. It would be fun if they

had president cameos in the films. So there is a senator, Patrick Leahy, is one of the guys in the scene who the Joker almost kills from the Dent fundraiser. That was a sitting U.S. senator. In real life? Yes. Oh, weird. And just in a movie?

He's just, he loves Batman. I don't like that. Me either. Go make laws. Yeah. Don't have fun like this. Yeah. Okay, so. He's in a movie and I don't like that. Me either. Go make laws. Yeah. Don't have fun like this. Yeah. Okay, so.

He's in a movie and I'm not. Yeah. Now that's fucked up. That makes a lot of sense. How does that help being a politician? Why don't I just go do some Senate? How about I do some Senate on you then, sir? I'd like to see you do some Senate.

How about I do some Senate on you and you just watch. You sit and watch. Of all places. Yeah, that feels like it's kind of chill though. He's definitely not used to dealing with a joker type situation. Yeah, no, not at all. His population is too small.

What are the odds? At a fundraising party thrown for him by Bruce, Dent privately proposes to rachel but before she can reply bruce grabs dent and forces him away to a safe room the joker then interrupts the party demanding to see dent he moves on to rachel assuming she's dense girlfriend grabbing her and threatening her with a knife he tells her another story about how he got his scars that his wife told him he worried too much so he stuck a razor blade in his mouth that one didn't work for me it was kind of confusing really that he worried too much either so he stuck a razor blade in his mouth. That one didn't work for me. It was kind of confusing.

It wasn't really that he worried too much either. That's not right. Now it's time for me to call in the Batman. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wouldn't characterize it as worrying too much at all. She tells him to smile. Yeah. She tells him to smile.

No, it's that her face is, she was caught up for her gambling death. But that's what happens next. He goes, it started because she thought I didn't smile enough. And then she wasn't smiling because she had scars. It's kind of missing a big step. And then so I gave myself a big knife cut. It was weird.

It was very weird. It was like I hadn't seen her smile. It's implied that he did the knife cut to make her smile. The guy's freaking weird. He's a little weird. He's very strange. So unusual. And so much of his behavior to me is like truly odd.

I don't want to characterize that as negative because obviously we all have our quirks. It's different. It's very different. But a lot of it is not for me. I have my spy hangups. Yeah, it's different. It's unusual. You don't see it every day.

It's not the energy I choose to surround myself with. I'll say, you know, I'm heading for the elevator and Joker's holding the door. I'll take the stairs. And then just not, no judgment. I'm so lazy, I would get in. I would just be like, whatever. It is what it is. I once got in an elevator with a man smoking crack.

Wow. Okay, I didn't want to like other him and be like. I've literally had moments like that where I get in a weird elevator and I'm like, well, it'd be rude to leave now. He was like, that's not true though. And I was like, I don't want to feel bad about like he's on the floor. And then as soon as the doors closed, he took out some tinfoil and started smoking crack. Amazing. And I was like, I made a bad choice.

I was the one with a guy who was like clearly not, he was saying really odd things to me in a Joker style. Oh no. And I was like, uh-huh. And then I got out and I was like, why didn't I get out when I felt the energy shift in this space? I don't know. Sometimes women are too nice. Yeah.

Rachel fights back. She wasn't being too nice. She kicks him in the nuts. And just then, Batman swoops in to fight him. The Joker drops her out of a window. Well, Batman manages to save her. This was crazy. This Batman entrance is very good too.

And he goes, you got some fight in you. I like that. And then Batman goes, then you're going to love me. It felt like they had a shot for that. It's all ADR. You just hear him.

And then he's like, yeah, just suddenly. It must have sucked to film in that voice so much. I was wondering. It must have just dreaded. Well, by the end, Christopher Nolan made it much lower than he actually did.

This is the thing about trying to do it all day and doing multiple takes, and it would just be so exhausting. It's a Nolan thing across this franchise. Everyone is, the voice energy is so insane. Somehow I do think it all basically worked, except for I don't want to spoil the next movie for you. But that's when it really comes to a head.

And I think people were like, okay, someone needed to have a conversation earlier. Is Christopher Nolan again for the next one? Yeah, we got three Nolans. He's got one more. Yes, except for weirdly the next one? Yeah, we got three Nolans. Except for, weirdly, the Scarecrow who should sound totally crazy and is just a very... I think the Scarecrow is pretty scary.

I'm not sure I've ever seen. I think they leave his voice because they're like, it's already scary. When Bruce was leaving and this lady was like, ooh, you have a panic room or whatever and then the door closed and she's like, what the fuck? Yeah. That made me giggle.

Oh, and also, okay, so he saved Rachel in a very amazing way. Yeah, it was pretty wild. She's flying down the side of a building. He zooms down. He wraps her up in his little cape. Yeah. And then they land on a cab. And then she's like, let's not do that again.

Which I wouldn't want to. No, no. She's like, this is too crazy. And he's like yeah I guess I'm okay too I'm also your boyfriend where the fuck are we

there's so much hold on let me check real quick oh no wait I'm down here with you okay at a memorial for Loeb Joker and his henchmen

disguised as the ceremonial arms shoot at Mayor Garcia during the 21-gun salute. Really? Are we there already? We have to be. Jordan jumps in front of Garcia and is shot in the back saving Garcia.

The memorial breaks into a chaotic riot and the Joker and his men disappear into it. That guy, the mayor, that guy in everything he's in. Nestor Carbonell. Nestor Carbonell. I see him sometimes. he's in. Nestor Carbonell. Nestor Carbonell. Oh, I like him. I see him sometimes. He's in Lost.

I believe he was on Suddenly Susan. That's what I know him from. And he has the darkest eyelashes in the world. It's the entire eye thing. I don't know how that effect is created. It's in every movie, though, so it might just be natural. It's his eyelashes. I saw him at Rite Aid like a month ago, and I was texting exclamation points.

Red alert, Nestor Carbonell sighting. Did he have the same? They look like that. They just look like that. That's amazing. He looks like a silent film Shantus. It's awesome. Shantus.

Meanwhile, Batman tries to get information on the Joker out of Moroni by capturing and interrogating him. Moroni tells him that no one will go against the Joker because the Joker has no rules, while Batman has a strict moral code and won't kill. He then tells Batman the only way he'll find the Joker is if he gives in to his demands and lets the Joker find him. That's another thing they never say that's kind of cool. They talk about his one rule, but it's never... He's never like, i will never kill anybody but i do i do like how he gets around end of list it's no doing killing yeah but that's why i didn't

like the end because he gets blamed but it's like he didn't break his rule but he but oh i think that's i think that's good okay i think that is good that he's willing to protect the city. Yeah. He's willing to have his reputation tarnished. Because that's the other thing I do want to say I really do, is done even better than I remembered, where Bruce Wayne as Bruce Wayne is such a heel and is such a like Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos type,

like doing all these big stunts and really lets everyone think he's a total asshole as much as possible and it's such a good like cool character trait where like to protect the Batman thing he's willing to be disliked

and I think that that like I don't know it makes it all the more noble I think it's really well done the big stunt with the boat that we mentioned and everything I thought that that like, I don't know, it makes it all the more noble. I think it's really well done. The big stunt with the boat that we mentioned and everything. I thought that was great. I liked it. Yeah, it's cool. Because I mean, also, well, we love Christian Bale and how he plays both roles.

But it makes it feel like more, the fact that he's willing to sacrifice his reputation is interesting. Because I think a lot of people, you'd really want to be like, I'm actually a really good person. Yeah, or even like, yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like either being like, okay, I can't tell them I'm Batman, but they do have to think I'm cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because like, I am Batman.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like during the day, at least like me. A lot of billionaires would have a hard time with that. I would struggle with it. You know what I mean? And I don't even have that much money. Yet. Yet.

Yes, it's coming. We'll see what this episode does it's always gonna have a goal like that yeah a paranoid schizophrenic named Thomas Schiff is picked up by police and Dent interrogates him about Joker when he sees that Schiff is wearing a name tag that says

Officer Rachel Dawes the Joker truly I gotta say this man really has a plan I didn't get why he was wearing and he says that he doesn't have a plan it's like okay you got these name tags and great

you got them made yeah but that was to show that she's next and he has to hire someone he can't just go into the name tag place no he has to hire someone

to go in and make that request and it's one single name tag like it's not that easy to get one name tag no you have to buy a bunch of them so do you think he's got like a bin of Rachel Dawes

name tags? Normally when I get name tag things. Yeah, where are the rest of the Rachel Dawes name tags? Dent calls Rachel to tell her that

she's the Joker's next target and goes to Bruce for protection. Dent roughs up ship and takes out his lucky coin telling him

heads he lives tails he dies. Just then Batman interrupts and reprimands Dent telling him that Dent has to be the morally righteous protector of Gotham. Back home, Bruce and Rachel talk intimately.

And Bruce asks Rachel if she would still be with him if he wasn't Batman anymore. She says yes. And then they kiss. And I was like, yeah. I know. I want this relationship. Yeah, me too. She just straight up cheated on her boyfriend.

Yeah, but we don't care because he's evil. He is a bad boy. He's bad. But he doesn't like her enough. He only gets turned evil by her exploding. Yeah, he doesn't like her enough. He doesn't like her enough. He doesn't react hardly when she's killed in that way.

No, he doesn't react enough to anything she does. Even when they're in the courtroom together, he's so condescending. It's like they they seem like they are co-workers who are enemies I found that so weird that's the craziest

scene in the movie we just we went past it but when he's prosecuting the one guy he thinks he's gonna testify against Maroney

apparently the plan is for him to take the blame himself the witness and then to try and kill the DA which is like kind of undercuts the first part of the. Yeah. Going back on your testimony is like if you're going to kill the DA, just just do that straight up.

Yes. And but the gun is Chinese. Well, Mr. Mr. Loud. It's an additional L because as his home country is disparaged on the record, the stenographer has to write that down. That's pretty nasty.

That the Chinese gun jammed, of course. I made an American. It was wild. I was like, what angle are you pushing? Isn't it also crazy? You almost got killed. We do make good guns. But then he was like, I saved everybody. He's like, I'm actually fine. They just walk out of the courtroom together. pushing. Isn't it also crazy you almost got killed? We do make good guns.

But then he was like, I saved everybody. They just walk out of the courtroom together. He's just happy. I'm like, there could be more people with guns. No one's protecting you. You say he doesn't like her enough. She is giddy about him almost getting shot. She's like, that's crazy. If you're not almost getting shot, you're not doing your job right.

Come on, bitch boy. Makes her pretty horned up as well. She's like, but if you feel scared, we could go home and fuck around all day. He's like, not scared enough.

Yeah. He doesn't want to have sex with her because he doesn't love her. Tell the mayor you're having a panic attack so we can fucking slam. Yeah,

just let's go. And he said, no. It's really rude. I'm not horny. I'm just not horny right now. You see, let's flip my coin

and see if my dick will get hard. I'm horny for justice. Honestly? Funny. Let's flip this coin and see if I'm horny. So at a press conference, Dent claims he's Batman, hoping to lure the Joker out of hiding. Rachel, upset with Bruce for protecting Dent by speaking up, leaves Alfred a note to give to Bruce when the time is right. After his arrest, Dent's van transport is ambushed by a garbage truck

and semi-trailer driven by the Joker and his thugs. Batman arrives in the Batmobile crashing the garbage truck and the Batmobile crashes when it intercepts the Joker's RPG and Batman's secondary transportation, the Batpod bursts out of the front. I didn't even know that name. That's called a Batpod? I thought it was

just a Batcycle or something. The Batpod bursts out of the front of the self-destructing batmobile batman stops the joker's truck and crashes the bat pod so as not to hit the joker who taunts him from the middle of the street why not just hit him i don't know we didn't want to kill him suddenly gordon who faked his death and had actually been driving dense transportation van that's when i cried the joker and arrest him i was so glad he was gone i thought thought he was gone. Oh my God. I was very glad because his whole family, when they had to go deliver the news to his wife.

And that was so sad. It was so sad. Gary Old Man. Yes, I was so sad that Gary Old Man was gone. And I was so excited to see him again. He's so juiced up when he tells his kid that he saved Batman. Actually, I'm kind of the big badass in town. It's implied that that's the kid he likes more than his wife and his other kid.

That was wild. That's why he's trying to impress her. Which one do you love the most? Not that one. Not the boy. You called him the boy. Did they just not name him in the script? I want to shout out Nicky Cat who plays a

very thankless role in this movie being the passenger in the Dent transportation van who has to just say where they're going like 50 times to be like if we get out here then we'll be safe from the Joker so this is the location that we have to get to

and the driver is just never responding to him and he never mentions like hey man, are you hearing what I'm saying? Like, I'm talking to you. It's helpful what I'm telling you. That's very funny. Denton is released and applauded by the press for his bravery, and Gordon is promoted

to commissioner for his efforts. With the Joker in custody, everybody seems safe and sound. However, when it's revealed that Denton never made it home, Batman aggressively interrogates the Joker. They really worked hard to stop him from being captured in that last scene. But then that cop lady lets him get in a weird car and she knows, doesn't she? It turns out that she knows because she, like many other people in this movie, has a relative in the hospital.

Oh my god, everyone does. Everybody's so sick. My wife's in the hospital. Oh my god, everyone does. Everybody's so sick. Wait, but also, do we already talk about we went through the part where that judge or whatever is told to get in the car and they're like, we don't know where you're going. You'll find out when you open this envelope. And then it just says up and then she blows up. I liked that. I liked it too.

I thought that was fun. She's like, huh? And then she's like, bye. Bye. Okay, so Batman aggressively interrogates the Joker at the police station who says he finds the Batman entertaining and has no intention of killing him. Having deduced the Batman's feelings for Rachel, the Joker reveals she and Dent are being held separately in buildings rigged to explode. So they're like tied to barrels of oil. To really get him good.

Batman races to save Rachel while Gordon... One thing I like that he says in the movie is that they're like, what are you going to do with all your money at some point? And he's like, I like gas and dynamite and stuff. It's all cheap. The stuff that he's going to spend his money on.

Of course, they don't account for getting stuff engraved. It's not their hobbies. That has a high cost. His custom-made circus truck that high cost. His custom made circus truck. His fancy suit that he said wasn't cheap. Sorry, gas is cheap. This really was 2000. I'm telling you, man.

Try filling up now at the pump, Joker. You might want to just set some of that aside before you set the fire. And he has to employ like 100,000 people who he kills all of them after every mission. Yeah, that's true. I did like his suit though. It was very well fitting. Yeah.

Okay. The Batman races to save Rachel while Gordon and the other officers go after Dent, but they discover the Joker has switched their positions. Rachel is killed in the explosion. And I didn't want to believe it at first. Yeah. Okay. They had just played that. It would be cool if they did it again. positions rachel's killed in the explosion and i didn't want to believe it at first i didn't i thought they had just played that that would be cool if they did it again what same thing as gary

you're right but she had said she would she said yes to his proposal on the phone right before that um when she dies she's like harvey, I just want to tell you something. And then it kind of sounds like she's about to sing Somewhere Over the Rainbow. She goes, somewhere. What? I don't think I got it. That is what happens. And I don't know if she's going to sing.

She's going to maybe. Yeah, what if they were just like, just start saying something. And she's like being a little silly. She's like, somewhere. Do a funny she's like being a little silly as the actor. She's like, stop. Do a funny one where I sing something. Just to make Aaron laugh. So basically, he falls over

trying to get out of his rig, right? But then the oil spills onto one half of his face and he just doesn't even try to lift his head. He's like, no, no, no. And I was like, what is it, coke? oil spills onto one half of his face and he just doesn't even try to lift his head. And I was like, what is it? Coke? I was curious what the soup was. Maybe some syrup? Yeah, because he had to lay in that

a lot, so I wondered. The Joker escapes custody, extracts the fortune's locations from Lao and burns all of it, killing Lao in the process. Wow, wow, wow. In Gotham General Hospital, Dent is driven to madness over the loss of Rachel, which he blames on Batman, Gordon, and the Joker. Gordon visits Dent, horrified by what happened to Dent, demands Gordon to use the nickname the cops have given him, Two-Face. And now they already called him Two-Face.

Yeah. Which makes me think he was an asshole. Yes. It's just all cosmic. They called him Two-Face. He flips a coin that has two faces on it. And then, actually I don't know if you noticed this, but he ends up having two completely different looks.

Depending on which way you're... Yes. I did see that this time. Yes. So one side of his face is so different. I sort of thought it almost went too far. It was pretty upsetting. It does.

Eyeballs just sitting there. Just sitting there. His mouth is pulled completely. It's all just muscle. And then his mouth is completely shown. So that actor's teeth are exposed on one half of his face. Also, there was a part where he wiped his face and parts of his skin was coming off. Yeah, because he tried to drink.

Because he tried to drink something. Some fell out. Yeah, it's fucking gross. He's like, die, die, die, die, die. Nasty. I was really upset about it. Part of Batman, you know, is that like Batman and the Joker, like they don't really have superpowers. you know, is that like Batman and the Joker,

like they don't really have superpowers. Like they're not like, everything is physically possible that they're doing if implausible. And like with Two-Face, it's like, yes, by all means, fuck up his face. Yeah. But don't have it be that like, it's just structurally, physically could not happen.

No, especially compared to Tommy Lee Jones, which was more like like that was a cartoon that was a full blown cartoon but you feel like that character is kind of leaning into it and being funny like he's like I'm evil now

yeah and then this guy was more like I should be dead like this is clinically he refused skin grafts he refused medication yup I'm fine with all of it

except the suit also being like split in two in the same way but it wasn't so I guess he like some of it was like sing also being like split in two in the same way. Some of it was like singed. It's half singed. It's like straight down the middle. And so you're just like, okay, he went and got

his suit from like the back. They should have just thrown it out. Why is his eye so unharmed? The eyeball itself is totally functional. And it's fine that he can't blink or let it ever get lubricated. It literally functions perfectly fine just rolling around in the sky. It's pretty upsetting.

It's like the Hocus Pocus. And everyone takes it pretty well. Everyone's like, honestly. No one's like, ah! Gary Oldman a little bit when he turns toward him is like, ah. Yeah. Wayne Enterprises accountant Coleman Reese

deduces the Batman's identity and attempts to expose it. Yeah, that guy's a little asshole. Well, this is pretty fun. Lucius Fox is so good and so smart, but it's like the Batmobile blueprints are just like

just laying around in a file for everyone. Never see him find her. He's like, hey, I've got your original drugs of the batmobile i have now the identity like the best kept secret in the world but then like morgan freeman's like so you think that a billionaire is playing batman at night and uh you could just blackmail him like

basically like you're fucked if you try to say this but i also feel like he could have. Yeah. And he does it by going on like a Manhattan News Network style call-in show. So before he reveals the Batman's identity, people are allowed to call in. The lines are open. We're going to have you ask questions, I guess,

other than who's Batman. And then he's going to say who it is. It's pretty funny that the Joker's watching TV at that time. I know. He's like, hey, hey, don't say anything. He just like hangs out.

It's really funny. He's chilling. The Joker threatens to blow up a hospital unless Reese is killed. So while the police evacuate hospitals and Gordon struggles to keep Reese alive. By the way, evacuating a hospital seems like a really stressful situation.

Yeah. It's like, get everyone out of there. I'm like, how the fuck? like, what if we're in surgery? A lot of them have machines and stuff. Exactly. It doesn't seem like a good idea. Sucks. The Joker disguised as a nurse, which really creeped me out,

meets with a disillusioned Dent in the hospital, persuading him to take the law into his own hands and avenge Rachel. Also another great part of the movie. I'm sure many others have commented on. This nurse is wearing a little mask, but even with the mask, it's still kind of unconventional looking. And it's standing over Harvey Dent's

bed and he's looking at the nurse and that just pulls this little hospital mask off and Harvey Dent's like, It's like all of it was weird before. Also, what's going on with the Joker's hair? Is it a jerry curl? Is it gel? Oh, his regular?

Because he put like the wig on over it? He had a wig on first when he wanted to shoot someone. But then, yeah, I think it's just sort of stringy, like never been washed kind of situation. It's upsetting. Yeah, it's stringy, never been washed. He probably stinks like fucking shit. This is the spot. Probably.

He's gotta. There's no way he doesn't smell bad they're like corn they're the corniest corn yellow anyone's ever seen it was so gross they're solid do you think the joker man fucks I don't think it's consensual

that's pretty dark but I think pretty spot on I mean unfortunately do you think people are like hey babe I don't know sometimes you meet people with yellow teeth like that who have a partner and you're like huh it's not traditional

it's not what I think of but yeah because I'm also like does he jack off he definitely jacks like, does he jack off? He definitely jacks off. But does he? That's so interesting. Or does he get off on denying himself that particular pleasure?

In the same way he doesn't want to kill Batman. We don't know, but the Joker's got a kink. And as we know, that can be really dangerous. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It builds up like that. He definitely puts a belter on his neck while he does it. Right? Yeah.

But when he sees Maggie Gyllenhaal at the Dent fundraiser, he does comb his hair. That's right. And so he knows, like, okay, this is not going to work. Yeah. He goes, like, I have to be a little presentable. I can't just roll in here. I just got out of bed.

This is a classy lady. He combs it with a knife, which is like not. I feel like. That's what he has. No, it looks better. It's kind of hot. I guess he's attractive. By the end of this, we're like.

Yum, yum, yum. The jigger's the hottest character in the series. The look is great. And the nurse scene is like where it does take a leap for me to. This is one of the best performances ever captured on film. I just think like the movie was not as good as I remembered for me. But the performance is still like the scene that you reference where he goes like, do I look like a guy with a plan? I'm just like, this is so fucking awesome. This is going to gonna sound really stupid but it's perfect for our podcast i forgot batman

was in this i actually thought it was a joker based movie i had seen it and i was like i don't remember the batman part of that and he got nominated for best supporting actor which is insane that is insane like such and one 27 when he died i think he was he was so young so he was really young in this role. He seems older. He seems so much older. He does feel older. Yeah.

Them teeth. Went ham. It's, yeah. The hospital scene is so iconic. Now you just see it like repeated. It's like memed so often. So many other things in this movie. I feel like you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

That's a good quote. It's now shared completely unironically where people aren't just like, hey, you're quoting Batman. Did you know that? I feel like people think it's like George Bernard Shaw or something. I just hear people say that. Maybe I'll get that tattoo to me next. All right. I support it.

Dent defers his decision making to his half-scarred, two-headed coin, killing the corrupt officers and the mafia involved in Rachel's death. As panic grips the city, the Joker reveals two evacuation series. He only kills the one officer. He punches the other one. Okay. Batman fandom wiki. It comes up heads.

Getting a little broad. Also, they didn't talk about broad and her mom was in the hospital so they got her early they also didn't talk about the Batman fan wiki about the cell phone inside of a man who wasn't feeling too good

that was crazy that was wild he was like I just want my one call I want my one call and I was like who is he gonna call it was really funny but he kept saying that

I know I just want my call it was like kind of silly and then he calls and it rings in a man's stomach And then it blows up Which is wild Bullies the guard into beating him up so that he can beat him up back

And the guard kind of knows It's going to happen seemingly He's just like okay This is what we're doing I am taking the bait big time I'm outclassed. The Joker reveals two evacuation ferries, one carrying civilians, the other are prisoners,

and they're rigged to explode at midnight unless one group sacrifices the other. This was a big dilemma. It really was. It sure was. Wow, it is a dilemma. It is a dilemma. It was kind of stressful.

So one group is all prisoners on the boat. The other group is civilians. It's something of a prisoner's dilemma. It's a prisoner's dilemma, isn't it? Wow. The prisoners have a dilemma. I love that. And they have to decide whether they're going to kill them or see if they get killed.

It's just too hard. It's wild. And they argue back and forth. But in the end, to the Joker's disbelief the passengers refuse to kill one another Batman's annoying about this because like everyone's going like hang on something might blow up but he's like no there's

not gonna be any fireworks and it's like well maybe somebody's like so sure of like the outcome of like a sporting event and then it's like and it happened it's like yeah but it could have not. That was lucky. Tiny Lister is going to intervene.

Scene Friday. An unlikely candidate to fill such a role. I did like that part. He's like, you won't do it. I'll do it. Just say I took it by force. I'm going to do what you should have done a long time ago. Throw it out the window.

Throw it right out the window. Does it hit the button? Throw the remote thingy and I guess I know. Yeah, and the water. That's like, does it cause it to malfunction? You know what? I'm actually actually just gonna put it down so batman subdues the joker before he can detonate the fairies but refuses to kill him before the police arrest the joker he says although batman proved incorruptible and the city the citizens still seem to believe in the power of good over evil.

His plan to bring down the White Knight succeeded. I love that scene where he's just like upside down. Yeah. That was wild. That was cool. With the Joker hanging upside down. But they showed us him right side up. Yeah.

And I was wondering when they decided that should be how we see it or if he should be hanging upside down. That I don't know. Because it was kind of an interesting choice. But what a fucking performance. To be at it. Hanging upside down. They I don't know. Because it was kind of an interesting choice. But what a fucking performance, hanging upside down. They flipped it. I mean, it was great.

That's true. Dent takes Gordon's family hostage, blaming his negligence for Rachel's death. He flips his coin to decide their fates, saying that chance is the only morality in a cruel world. But Batman tackles him to save Gordon's son. We're kind of, yeah, going over that pretty quickly. Dent falls to his death.

That was a long scene. Yeah. So leaving Dent is the hero. It was really late last night when we got to this. Yeah. I said, it's got to go. Yeah. The city needs, he's the hero the city needs,

and the truth of the corruption will harm Gotham. So Batman takes the blame for his death and actions and persuades Gordon to conceal the truth. Alfred burns an undelivered message to Wayne from Rachel where she revealed she chose dent when she could no longer wait for bruce and fox destroys the invasive surveillance network that helped the batman find the joker the city mourns dent as a hero gordon destroys the bat signal and the police launch a manhunt for batman and he runs off between all those crates and things yeah which

i thought was like pretty decent shot and weirdly it really worked for me the music at the end and everything and the whole like why is he running because we have to chase him I like it I just felt bad that his reputation was being tarnished but I like how you explained it so there's no real fault and I actually

forget was Heath Ledger dead when the movie came out wow I forgot that. That's so crazy. Yeah. So it does feel like, you know, I guess he's in jail, but they never really say. He doesn't, like, get away. But I wonder if they were planning on doing the type of thing that they did with Scarecrow

where, like, he's really hard to catch for an entire movie. And then at the beginning of this one they're just like put him right in jail see you later it was weird how Scarecrow was there for a second for two seconds

got him you honestly didn't have to explain him ever I didn't need to see Scarecrow again I would be fine if he just didn't appear but sure

so awards and reception for this film The Dark Knight is commonly considered one of the greatest comic book adaptations ever made and one of the greatest films

of its era. It currently holds a 94% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. Ledger's performance was widely praised and he won a posthumous Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor. And it's ranked higher than Batman Begins. I really do find that confusing. I find that confusing too. But I think people really just like Heath Ledger's

performance. I think that's what it is. I think that really solidified people being like, this is the best one. Yeah. The Dark Knight made more money in six days than in the entire domestic run of Batman Begins. Its box office total was $533.3 million, making it the highest grossing comic book superhero in Batman film, the highest grossing film of 2008, and the second highest grossing film ever, unadjusted for inflation, behind Titanic. Wow. That's crazy. I feel like the other one made like $40 million or something. Yeah, it didn't make that much. 2008 and the second highest grossing film ever unadjusted for inflation behind titanic wow that's crazy that's i think the other one made like 40 million or yeah it didn't make that much

i'm making that up but unlike previous movies huh would love to have 40 million yeah okay yeah that'd be nice right just like doesn't yeah that'd be cool no we don't need to shit on 40 million in order to celebrate the 500 million. Unlike previous movies in the franchise, this film became part of a larger cultural conversation. Many saw the themes of morality and plot points around interrogation to be a response to the American approach to anti-terrorism. Let's do trivia. No way. No way.

During the first four days of scheduled shooting, nothing was filmed. What? Nope. Not one thing. Instead, Christopher Nolan screened two movies per day for the cast and crew with a break in between. Why? The eight movies were In Order, Heat, Cat People, Citizen Kane, King Kong, Batman Begins. Oh, that's funny.

Black Sunday, Clockwork Orange. We've been watching a lot of movies. 17. These are all relevant in different ways. It's kind of like a cat and mouse game between a good guy and a bad guy. But, you know, I do think we should also watch the movie Batman Begins. We're just showing classics. And also you might want to know what happened to your character before you got here just a little catch up

Rachel obviously you weren't here for the first one maybe you'll want to see what you did before in preparation for his role as the Joker Heath Ledger

hid away in a motel room for about six weeks diving deep into the psychology of the character and developing the character's eccentric tics voice and laughter his goal was to create a tone that didn't echo the work Jack Nicholson did in the 1989 performance of the character and developing the character's eccentric tics, voice, and laughter. His goal was to create a tone

that didn't echo the work Jack Nicholson did in the 1989 performance of The Joker. Instead, his inspiration was a mixture of Sid Vicious from the band Sex Pistols and Malcolm McDowell's character from A Clockwork Orange. His vocal coach has said that Heath had to continuously lick his lips due to his prosthetic coming off whenever he

spoke, eventually deciding to make this a tick of his character, which I liked it. Yeah, I liked it too. Because it feels like his, you think that his scars just feel raw all the time. Yeah, it was nasty. Though many speculated that his approach to the character was the cause of Heath's sudden death

from drug toxicity in January of 2008, his family has said that he loved playing this role and that it was his insomnia and an accidental combination of sleeping pills that caused his death. They have to say that, though. It was definitely him. It was definitely acting.

It was definitely doing make-believe every day. So annoying. It's the character, not the internal thing in his actual life. Everyone's really dumb. And if you survived that, then you weren't committing to it. Nolan opted for CGI rather

than prosthetics for Two-Face. Oh, I thought it was prosthetics. I thought it was prosthetics too, reasoning that no matter how good the prosthetics were, they would be adding to his face where he wanted to look like part of his face was taken away. I mean, I did, I thought the mouth thing was somehow real. I thought it was real too. Yeah, I don't know.

That was really well done. That's CG yeah that i was wild yeah here's a weird little tenuous connection that i made during the film but so kelly murphy who played the scarecrow was in peaky blinders which was about all those like roving gangs with razor blades in like the uk and that is where like there were these there were these razor blade gangs in scotland that would give you that scar really that yeah it was called a glasgow smile later a chelsea smile where they would they would they would cut it so and then it would hurt and you would scream and it would make the scar bigger and bigger and that is something they used to do. And that is the inspiration for Heath Ledger's makeup.

He had to do that on Peaky Blinders as he's like, hey, I have actually something from the set of a movie I was in. I actually just did this thing. On the Dark Knight. But it's just like he's in the movie, he's in the Batman movie. And then the next movie, the villain has that same thing. He only does things that involve people. Where people have had their cheeks cut up. I have a question about, so the Two-Face being CGI and stuff,

I was watching this movie wondering if like a 15-year-old today or something would watch it and feel like it looks old. Yeah. Because to me, it just looks like movies. It looks good. That's what movies look like. I think it looks good. But it came out 15 years ago.

And so. But sometimes I think it goes so far now that it looks more fake. Like it's so. I sometimes have a problem with CGI now. But maybe that's me being older than the people who are enjoying it. I think it's still pretty good. Yeah. I think.

How it is in the movie. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. But like it just feels like the difference. You could really tell the difference between a movie shot in the late 70s and early 90s. But can we just not tell the difference because of being so old and busted? Right.

You know? That's a good question. We gotta get a team in here. When we watched, what was it, Batman Begins, I was like, this feels current. I feel like this one also feels current. To me, it absolutely did. It could have been made this year.

That's how I feel with the CGI included. Except the phones. The phones were crazy. The phones were teeny tiny. I watch animated movies with my kids now. You watch the first Toy Story or whatever, and you're like, yeah, it looks different. But it doesn't really look bad to me.

But a kid, a younger person could probably be like, this looks like shit. They didn't know how to do it yet. Scary. Yeah. Speaking of Cillian Murphy, he reprises his role as Dr. Jonathan Crane, a.k.a. the Scarecrow, from Batman Begins. And this makes him the first actor to reprise the role of a Batman villain in the whole film franchise because he also comes into The Dark Knight Rises. Oh. So we'll see. Interesting.

While filming the chase scene with the Joker and the SWAT vans, one of only four IMAX cameras in the world at that time was destroyed. Oh wow. That's pretty funny. That sucks. Goodbye. How did they only have four? Because it's IMAX, dude.

The movie had a huge viral marketing campaign. Those big screens. Oh. Including having 22 bakeries around the country bake cell phones into cakes. Fans were meant to call the phone and wait for instructions from the Joker. One such cake was sent to a newsroom thinking it was an act of terrorism. They evacuated the building. Well, yeah.

It doesn't seem good to have a phone ringing inside a cake. Yeah, this is a bad idea. It's not good. Not good. It would scare me. It would. It would scare any old person. I probably wouldn't even finish my second piece.

The character of Reese is an allusion to... Who's Reese? The guy who was trying to blackmail Batman. Oh. Reese. You remember Reese? It's Reese. Sorry about it.

Is an allusion to the Riddler who attempts to reveal the identity of Batman. Much like Edward Nygma, whose name sounds like enigma as in enigma. Mr. Reese sounds like mysteries. Okay. I don't know. Mysteries. I don't know. I don't know.

First of all, his name is, I mean, his name's Coleman Reese. Yeah. Like, maybe Coleman as a reference to the cold man, Mr. Freeze. Coleman Freeze. Coleman Freeze. Mr. Coleman Freeze. To me, that's just as plausible as this. That one doesn't feel good.

Okay. That one doesn't feel good. Let's take a quick break. We'll be back with more technique. And we're back. We're back. Holy Batman Batman. It's our new segment. We'll rate Christian Bale on the definitive newcomer's Batman scale. We're going to use our phones to rank Batman across

five unique characteristics. Preparedness. How prepared is this Batman? Does he get to use his little gadgets and tools? Detective abilities. Does the Batman get to be a little detective? Is he good at mystery solving? Voice gravelliness. How gravelly is this Batman's voice? Sadness. How lonely and brooding emo is this Batman? And finally hotness, horniness. How horny

is this Batman? So everybody scan this QR code with your phone and then we're gonna get your ratings and we'll aggregate them. Oh my god. We were just about to do this exact thing on our show. We're just getting into QR codes. Wait, is Morgan Freeman not in the next one?

Because I was pretty upset about him being like, I have morals and I got to get out of here. He's in there. He is? Mm-hmm. Good. We talked about this how like batman is canonically the world's greatest detective and like he needs to be doing detective stuff and in all the movies for whatever even though like he's not really a detective yeah i mean we learned that he was originally a detective

in the original comic yes yeah so i guess that's probably why that's still in there. But I don't feel like he's... That doesn't feel like one of the things I think about when I'm watching. He figured it out. Fair. I think he's always popping up and he's always helping people. He figures it out as he's going.

Well, yeah, they don't show the math a lot. There's the thing where when Mr. Lau walks out and Lucius is like, I think this guy's business is dirty. And then he's like, you knew already. And it's like, he always knows what's going on. Yeah, okay. But they don't show him putting it together that much.

Well, he did take a piece of the wall and do bullet That's his big detective moment That's why I ranked him so high Okay is everyone in? Yeah I did it. Okay so preparedness we said 71.5% I'm the exception on preparedness The one time where they like

save Harvey Dent and then they're like hey wait where'd he go? He just feels a little bit behind it sometimes also after he does the bullet thing and he knows where the Joker is and like he's maybe about to kill the mayor and stuff it's during the event like the event has already begun

so I sort of feel like he's a little late on that one as well also why did he go as Bruce Wayne on a motorcycle and not as Batman? I didn't get that either. He says during the day. That's the lamb. Oh, yeah. When he

hops on, I was like, you're risking a lot right now. Yeah. They might know who you are. Get your costume on, sweetie. Also, Christian Bale on a motorcycle. Ooh. Give me him on a hog again. Detective ability, 86%. We felt he was a pretty good detective i think so yeah i just feel like it wasn't a focus but i think you're right the math doesn't show like

he usually just shows up where i think if they were showing they're probably here because there are other movies where they show yeah they show batman putting things together more the big one is that crime scene where he's like i I need 10 minutes before your guys contaminate the scene. Gary Oldman is like, what the fuck? It's like their job. Yeah. He figures out like he knows what apartment the people are tied up in. Like he's like, yeah, he does put some stuff together.

I thought pretty good. Pretty good job with that. Voice grabbliness. We gave him 100%. It's about as grabbly as it is. i don't think you can get any more yeah that and he's doing it as well as it's being modified yes like there was one movie where someone's being they just lowered the pitch yeah where you could barely tell i think that was michael keaton no i think it was who was after val kilmer i don't know but the scene where after he saves the boy or whatever and he's

doing that big long speech i was like is, is his throat going to fall out? I know. It sounds like it hurts. And he's like, can I just talk like Bruce for a second? Because it's so much easier. Because it's not okay for me. I also liked when he was Bruce Wayne and he was talking to the guy who was blindfolded. He did the Batman voice.

Yeah, yeah. I was like, that's actually pretty, that's cute. And I guess the disguise, and people talk about this with Superman or whatever, but like Christian Bale's speech impediment is like very distinctive and the way his mouth kind of, like you just look at that and you're like, okay, that's only his mouth. You are right. They did talk about that. His teeth are really noticeably shaped. And like, yeah, the way his tongue is moving in this gif.

No one else in the world talks like this. I think you're Bruce Wayne. How do you say that? I mean, maybe people are just going along with it so that he keeps doing his thing. You don't want to ruin it. But that's why he needs

to do such a Gravel Evil. Just like the hero. I've talked to Bruce Wayne. Bruce Wayne do such a Gravel Evil. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's got a run. Just like the hero. If anything, I'm his twin. But I've talked to Bruce Wayne. Bruce Wayne never has a Gravel Evil. Yeah. Sadness, 66.5%. I thought he was real sad, especially after Rachel died. I thought he was sad, but I feel like he wasn't that sad.

He's more hopeful in this film because he actually is seeing a way out. He's like, Harvey Dent's going to save the city and I'm going to be with Rachel as I think the headspace that he's in for a lot of it. So he's not as brooding to me as other films. He's much hornier for the next one. Like this entire movie

is about him wanting to bust. Next one? No, no, no. This is the horniest. He's much hornier than he is sad. Yeah, yeah. We gave him 83% of hotness, horniness. I think that should be more.

Oh, I wanted, I gave it a little lower because I felt like I didn't really think about sex with him that much as I was watching this. I just felt like it wasn't, I know he cared about Rachel,

but I didn't feel like there was like a horniness. I don't know, that boat scene really did it for me. Ooh-wee. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I wanted more.

What's Michael Caine's, the whole backstory with the jungle jungle in burma that they burned down what was his job before yeah wait what he he's very cavalier about describing what he was doing and he hunted a man and then burned down the the i don't know what you're talking about Michael Caine plays Bruce Wayne's butler Alfred he tells a whole story the whole speech he gives about like some men want to see the world burn

we were hunting this this jewel thief but it is the kind of thing you do need little breaks in the movie and there are moments like that where you can just kind of like completely disassociate I think I did because i really don't know what that is but but i did love these two old men just like running around for batman yeah it was like kind of adorable

like they're his two dads yeah yeah it's nice he has helpers okay so right now our averages uh have made it so that christian bale is is the top Batman for one and two. Then we go to Michael Kilmer. Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer. Kevin Conroy, Michael Keaton again in Batman Returns is number six. Adam West is number seven. And lowest on the scale is George Clooney right now. George Clooney.

Right now. Yeah, right now. It's not his fault. I'm surprised Batman Returns isn't higher. I think we just loved uh christian bale so much yes blew everything out of the water also we had other people weighing in you know it's like kevin conroy i know is a huge fan favorite and we had doughboys on ranking that they probably were like more obsessed with him than we were about michael keaton and it throws it off you know

yeah um all right and i was a little tough on bat Returns because I didn't realize we were going to watch Batman forever yeah and that was going to be that and also Batman being sad like contributes to his score here for example I didn't know

we were doing an overall score I didn't either but that's true that Adam West wasn't sad he's not not at all

he should be lower on that yeah we also have the new segment from Taryn Killam how did the score score so go around and give your one sentence opinion

on the score soundtrack of the movie who felt anything this was again by Hans Zimmer I thought it was good I thought it was good as well yeah

like it made me feel things me too it's moody it's like it's funny because like comparing it we didn't talk about the scores much with the previous films

no where the scores are insane. Yes. Like with Tim Burton, but also, more importantly, I would say the one with Joel Schumacher. Oh, Batman Forever and Batman and Robin. Where you're like, was there music? Yeah, or it was crazy. Yeah.

I didn't notice it as much in this one, except for... The ending is when I notice it. When he's running and he's like, why does he have to run? Because we have to chase him and the music's building up. I find it really emotionally effective. Yes, and Mary Holland yesterday was like Hans Zimmer talked about how he only uses two notes, really.

One is... Another one is... The only time I noticed it is the WB logo. When it like ripples, it makes like a horn sound. And you're like, oh, yeah, we're here. He didn't use as much score in this because I know like, I feel like Inception and Tenet and Oppenheimer, there is music the entire film. It's way bigger. Like it's so much.

It's just like, yeah. I mean, Oppenheimer, it's like every, because most of the scenes are people like talking in like an office of some kind. But I heard that. There's so much music underneath. It's like almost louder than the talking or something. The music is constant.

And then there's like a big climactic scene where they kind of drop the sound out. And I'm like, this is so incredibly effective because there's been so much sound the whole movie. It's like, I think he got more into it. Five kapows. It's time for reviews.

We are going to be reading reviews from Letterboxd and we also will each give our own one sentence review of this movie with a star rating. So think about that. But for anyone who doesn't know, Letterboxd is a social platform where people can write reviews of films. You can follow our show on Letterboxd at Newcomers. Are you guys on Letterboxd? No. I made an account, but I've never used it at all.

Just protecting your name. I just don't want anyone else to be able to pretend to be me on Letterboxd. I like to let the movies speak for themselves. Well, the Lil Yankee gave it five stars and said everything has been said. Wow, what a review. Half a star Elias R. Garcia said an overrated film that ain't

got nothing on Batman and Robin. Oh, that's a crazy take. You love Batman and Robin. I did love Batman and Robin. It was just so unhinged. And every choice was the wrong one. And they put it all together and released it to the public. That's fun. What would you guys rate this movie?

What do you want to say about it? What's the rating system that I'm doing? Five stars? One through five? Or I guess a half through five? Yeah. I'm going to give it four and a half stars i was gonna say when i the first time i saw it in the theater i think i gave it five

stars which it also may be a better theatrical experience than just a movie because when he did jump off the big high building in uh hong kong i i was like thinking about the imax experience of that i was like god your stomach must drop when you're in the theater seeing this. So I do think that like it dropped down a little bit for me from first viewing, but it's got to be, yeah, four, four and a half. Yeah. I remember seeing it in IMAX when he's like drifting on his motorcycle and the wheels are like turning to the side

being like moved I was like tearing up I was so it was so cool yeah does it hold up for you yeah I mean not like I would totally give it five stars I think it rocks and my one sentence

review is something Sean said on our show years ago that I still think about all the time, which is why are you being so serious? Yeah, I'm going to give it four and a half stars. And I say it's more of a Joker film than a Batman film, but I'm here for it. I'm going to give it also four and a half stars. And I guess I'm going to say I like the Joker. Give me more Batman. And where Katie Holmes at?

Yeah, I miss her a little bit. I love Maggie Gyllenhaal. I'll give my one sentence. Sorry, I forgot to do it. My one sentence review is you either die a five star theater experience or you live long enough, become a four and a half star home experience. Wow. Totally. That's such a good rating.

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Okay. Well, thank you guys for being here. And we're going to be back next week with The Dark Knight Rises, which I have no idea what that is. I have no idea. This one, I had some inklings as to what happened because I think I've seen it before. But this one, I don't fucking know.

So excited for you. I can't wait for you to see it. Who's the villain in this one? It's a special one. Who's the Batman? This one is the best one, but that one is the most special. This one's the most special? The one coming up I just think is so rich.

It's really, there's a lot to it. There's a lot there. When I actually started watching this, I accidentally clicked on the other one just because the first couple words are the same in the title. And I started and I knew right away, no, no, no, no. This is the other one just because the first couple words are the same in the title and I started and I knew right away no no no this is the special one yes I will I will be going back

to as I was watching this one and loving it I was thinking I cannot wait to rewatch because we've been on a steady

incline incline for me because I loved Batman and Robin loved Batman Begins I really liked The Dark Knight and then you're saying

this one's gonna be special who's coming to do it? Manzoukas, I think. Great. Let me say this. You have my permission to watch Newcomers. That's a little reference you'll get later. It means nothing. It means absolutely nothing. I'm like, what?

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