No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 914 - Black Desert Recap

Episode Date: October 14, 2024

We start our Sunday night pod with Matt McCarty's win at the Black Desert Championship after earning a KFT battlefield promotion earlier this year. We also react to the French Open, some recent reporting on the upcoming Showdown and DP World Tour finances, Rory's comments, Digital Jack vs Real Jack - plus listener questions. Show notes: Money in Sport article on DP World Tour finances If you enjoyed this episode, consider joining The Nest: No Laying Up’s community of avid golfers. Nest members help us maintain our light commercial interruptions (3 minutes of ads per 90 minutes of content) and receive access to exclusive content, discounts in the pro shop, and an annual member gift. It’s a $90 annual membership, and you can sign up or learn more at nolayingup.com/join Support Our Partners: Titleist Holderness and Bourne NLU10 for 10% off your next order The Stack System Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Be the right club. Be the right club today. That's better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most. Expect anything different? Better than most. Expect anything different. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of the No Lang, a podcast. It is Balmy here, Sala here. It's a 71 last night set out.

I put a fire out back. TC fall is here in Jax. Is that Balmy? Is that I think Balmy is like warm, hot, et cetera. Yeah. It's, it's brisk. It's, it's brisk by nature here. So my brain's at pretzel. All right. We're, we're, we're, we're battling. We're fighting through it. TC is here. Kevin van Volkenberg is here. Hello, Kev. It's always 51 just today in Baltimore. So I take no pleasure in saying how much colder

it is here than you guys down in the South. This is the time of year where I send DJ that text of the, you know, I want you to put the word out there that we back up. Like we're back. Like summer has finally come to an end. It's put me in a lot better mood. I am monitoring the Ginkgo trees up there. It appears to be, I don't think it's going to happen this week. I think it's going to happen early next week. Are you still going to go? Are you going to be flying out there for the day?

I might stop on the way out there to Arizona. OK. I'm hoping it would be in that Tuesday, Wednesday. In case anyone's not aware, TC has made it one of his goals this year to be there on the day that the Ginkgo trees all lose their leaves. It's an audacious goal. The guy dreams big.

What can I say? Matt McCarty wins by three at the black desert over Steven Yeager. Dan Bradbury wins by one at the French open ruining yen wins the Buick LPGA Shanghai and TC heard you played a little golf today. I did. I, we got, we got beat, but we got beat with some birdies. We didn't lose it. They beat us, played pretty well too. Party doctor and I hammed it, ham and egged it around. Couple shots we wish we had back,

none of which were drives. Cause my GT2 driver is absolutely money. You're in the two of TC. I didn't know that. Yeah. I went from the TSR3 to the GT2. Okay. And I've noticed like less, less dispersion on the miss hits. That's the biggest difference I've noticed. It goes farther.

Uh, especially on the miss hits, I've gained some distance overall. It's still great off the deck as well. I'm liking the three. I got a Ventus black shaft for my three wood and my five wood now, flushing those and hit a little tight draw with a three wood now. It's provocative, Solly. I got to tell you, I saw Neil at the Roost Club Championship, he had a couple of like on purpose tight draws that were unbelievably good.

So Neil might be humming come our championship time, NIT time. Yeah, it sounded like Neil was playing some golf up there. Oh, dude, he was. I, on the other side, was not playing some good golf and dragged down the squad a little bit. But we don't need to, we don't need to waste anyone's time talking about my bad golf. Well, listen, if you haven't been fit,

you aren't playing your best golf. It's that simple. Head to Titleist.com to find a fitting near you and learn for yourself. My Titleist has been the most played driver on the PGA tour for the last six seasons and counting guys, the dead, the black desert kind of slapped a little bit, man. It just kind of felt like it had a nice little slot. It felt like a fall event in all the best ways. It was good to have on in the evenings, even if it was a replay, uh, just having on some nice scenes. I just, I'm very, I feel like I say this pretty much every fall event now of like, man, when

you just like level set what these events are, now that this is not get the same amount of FedEx cut points as like the Genesis does, it's a lot easier to appreciate these tournaments for what they are. And I borderline slapped, if I may say. It felt like a made for TV product in the best way, right? It just pretty, like it felt like I was watching video game golf. It felt like it was, it was, you know, Hey, let's, let's dial up this, this course in golden tea that is, you know, black desert, right? And, and sure enough, I mean, like there's, there's two, there was two short par fours, five and 14, I think a couple short par threes, the par fives were cool.

Like 13 was a really, really cool par four, like, you know, pretty provocative driving hole water out there and then kind of a punch bowl green back there as well. So I don't know. I really liked it. I'm sold, man. I'm calling it the Mormon masters. It's a, it green back there as well. So I don't know, I really liked it. I'm sold, man. I'm calling it the Mormon masters. It's awesome. I mean, J-Don Blake, all of it.

I mean- Did you get permission from ZB to call it that? Or do you need that permission? I don't know if I need it. It's a show of respect. All right. This is, you know, first time PGA Tours been in Utah in what?

Four or five decades. Well, it helps to, for some reason it helps my viewing when it is like a tourism play. It, it, everything just gets a little bit more palatable, a little bit more, like even some of the Utah commercials are like, dude, I want to go to Utah. Like that looks great. That's so much better than like lowering your A1C and all the stuff that you usually get on every commercial break or who, I can't lower my A1C and all the stuff that you usually get on every commercial breaker. I can't lower my A1C.

It doesn't get any lower. I don't even know what that is, but you know, it just, it's less corporate just smacking you in the face, just more of like, yeah, this is kind of more of what, what golf should look like. I mean, it's a skeleton crew. It's, it's, you know, it's bare bones. It's a little tight, little three hour window, but it just, when you're up against that much football, it was working for me, man. I liked it a lot. It's really a three and a half hour window today because they finished about 30 minutes late.

Yeah, I really, it was a little soft to start the week talking to a couple of players out there too. It sounded like they really soaked it and then kind of dried it out as the week went along. I'm not sure the place was quite ready for prime time yet. It sounded like they were still building the hotel as of Monday morning. I started showing up. Do you have any details on that? Keys weren't working TC. What else was going on? Keys weren't working. Connecting rooms requested. There were rooms in all sorts of different wings of the building. I heard from a source that Henrik Norlander couldn't get his lights

to turn on, so he slept with the lights on. I don't know if he had a blindfold or something. But listen, I know what that feels like having been in opening hotels and trying to rush for opening date and you know that people are paying for these rooms and you know, they're not ready yet, but you got to figure it out. It's tough. I might just smash all the lights. If I couldn't turn the lights off at night, that would be, I go ballistic. Well, we heard something like 15% of the total rooms were ready in the, in the entire hotel that, uh, plugs wouldn't work. Toilets wouldn't fly.

It sounded like it was the, the, the famous strap line, uh, from Neil of the out of paper towels in the bathroom after everything else that went wrong. It's kind of what it, it sounded like they did a good job repressing a lot of that, uh, suppressing whatever the word would be on. Yeah. It looks like it's going to be a cool resort. It's like a two or $3 billion play. I mean, it looks like a spectacular whole setup and everything. The skyline is sick. Right?

I mean, there's so many green. Lava and the like cliffs and I mean, it looks like Mars in spots in a good way. And then also it looks like there's some other good golf around there too. Obviously there's San DeHalo, but I was reading something on Friday about the place that Jadon Blake grew up playing that looks sick as well. So I'm in I gotta get down to southern, Utah Maybe not dream is to do like a film room at sleepy Hollow, man I think we should do something like that future or it at a sand hollow stand hollow. Excuse me Sleepy Hollow be good, too

Maybe not the best spectator course didn't't look like it was the best connectivity ever, but it's made for TV event. I like when you just kind of steer into something like that. Yeah, it looked like there were four or five holes out there that spectators just straight up couldn't go to, which I kind of respect. Sure. They're sitting in hospitality anyway.

I think if anything, push this thing even later. Like give us a little bit later window, to nine o'clock, some of the like Thursday, Friday nights to kind of get us, nine Eastern, seven Pacific. Yeah, I don't know. Like it's, give me something weird to combat football, right? Or put some of these things Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, or something different know, something different or, or Wednesday through Saturday or something.

So you're talking crazy now. We couldn't possibly change anything as it relates to the schedule or how this, how this tour operates. Do you see, uh, onto the golf, Matt McCarty, a recent three time winner from the, uh, corn fairy tour, battlefield promotion gets to play in the fall events. The other corn fairy graduates do not that is that is his exemption into this field is the is the battlefield exemption. He opened 62, 68, 64 to take a two shot lead into the final round. Had a decent lead at the turn, had a three putt on the 12th hole, uh, and then hit the shot of the tournament on the short part for drivable part for

14th, uh, I believe with a three wood, it was a fairway wood of some kind. Hitted to three feet, seven inches, hit a nice little tight draw around the corner, around the lava rocks. It was a really freaking cool hole. It played downwind most of the week. It was reachable for essentially everyone in the field,

but makes the eagle putt. Now he leads by three and he would go on to expand his lead. He had an incredible, another really good iron shot into the 16th made birdie, three part of the 17th, but then birdied the last as well to win by three. This is fourth win in 84 days. Is Matt McCarty who you were trying to convince as Ryan Gerard was TC?

Cause he's one of the hottest players in the world. Ryan Gerard's got his cart too, heading here. He, you know, granted he didn't get it battlefield wise, but yeah, McCarty like crazy part is he started the year well too. I mean, really from, from like July onward, he's just been nails. Yeah. I talked to Bacon a little bit about it today cause he's, you know, him and James Nitties cover the corn fairy tour on repeat.

And they, he said, you know, he had a close call at the ascendant and he had a final round 75 finished T five that day. But then the very next week I got back to contention won the price cutter charity championship, had a light bulb go off of like, you don't have to be perfect to win golf tournaments was kind of like the lesson that he learned from that and followed up here to T2 at the Utah Championship in August, then went out and won the Pinnacle Bank, another top 10 at the Magnet,

won the Albertsons-Boise Open, had another top five at the Nationwide Children's Hospital Championship, had two top fives in these two previous seasons on the Corn Fairy Tour in 22 and 23. Had eight this year along with three wins. Like I'm trying to like come up with a profile and a comp for McCarty and I can't really come up with one because he's, he's not that young.

He's in his, he's 26 or 27. I think he is now. Yeah. He's about to turn 27 here in a couple of months. Doesn't have superstar pedigree, but has learned to win here in his mid to late twenties at some very high levels. Now he's into the masters. He's into the century. He's into the players.

Just gets, you know, his career earnings, I think, were like 1.3 million heading into this week. And he won 1.3 million more. That was the first thing he said in his poster on the interview. It was like, yeah, financially this changes a whole heck of a lot for me. So pretty cool story of, you know, you play your freaking play good golf on the corn fairy tour. You're going to get your chances and you keep rolling over the PGA Tour. Now the guys playing the Masters next year. Dude, I love when guys get into the Masters for the first time. It's just such a cool thing that that's

buzzing through their brain. That still means something in this situation. Allegedly getting into the Masters. Allegedly, yeah. But Johnson Wagner said he may get an invite to the Masters. What's the hang up here? We're not sure if the Masters is going to extend it. They don't publish their criteria.

So in the tour, very, very gingerly dances around that as far as, hey, we are going to, he gets into the players, of course, but we do not. And then US Open, I think the corn fairy tour champ from the previous season gets into that automatically. But yeah, it's, it's very much a taboo. I swear they flashed it on screen today though. The winner gets in the master. So I think that was with a win, uh, an invite to the master. So maybe they've, maybe they've formally codified it, but, um, bottom line, I think the most impressive stat that you can give about Matt McCarty this year, the guy won a million dollars on the corn fairy tour this year. You know how hard that is to do?

That's insane. Well, it's good too that like he gets, it reaps the benefit of the battlefield promotion because that was kind of the thing. The season essentially ran out. It was PJ Tour playoff time. By the time he wrapped up his third win and had no exemptions really into any events. But it does get him in this weird little fall season, which like the corn fair guys don't get to play this. This is for the guys figuring out their status. You know, there's 10 spots available for the first two signature events for guys that are rolling over from the

PJ Tour season. You know, basically everyone outside the top 125 that's playing for a card, all this stuff. It's kind of a weird way and a random thing. He's not playing for correct me if I'm wrong, anything other than to win. Like there's nothing really on the line other than the tournaments, the money played really, really well in one, two or three times in the fall, then he could play his way into that next 10, like the 50 to like 51 to 60. Okay. So he does catch up on that. I guess so he's, his way into that next 10, like the 50 to like 51 to 60. Okay. So he does catch up on that. I guess. So he's so I think he's like, he's 95th now. Yeah. If I'm looking at the tour site, right. So I guess I didn't,

yeah, he, in theory, I mean, basically going, you know, going from zero to 94 or, you know, to, to 40 to 94 or whatever. So, um, but yeah, I mean, it's crazy. He didn't even play, you know, didn't play the corn fairy tour championship played Sanderson instead. And like the craziest part about making a million dollars in the corn fairy tour is you get $180,000 for like the regular season wins. So I mean, to, to, to make a million bucks, like he got two 70 for his, his Boise open win.

And he did it on radically different golf courses too. Like he got 270 for his Boise open win and he did it on radically different golf courses too. Like this is desert golf. He grew up in Scottsdale, you know, Boise, like much different golf course than that. Kind of short and funky. Just, you know, it seems like his game travels all over the place. So cool move too. I like his swing. It was fun was it was fun watching both him him him and Heisman Both kind of coming down the stretch. I like seeing a lefty that we need some lefties. We need some lefties. Yeah He it's also add a lot of distance over the I don't know exactly when the point was that he that he kind of Started stacking it up, but that's he was 15th and driving distance this week On all shots and then the two measured holes He was 41st, but it's kind of a weird week driving distance this week on all shots. And then the two measured

holes, he was 41st, but it's kind of a weird week as well. Cause the ball was flying out there at altitude, but, um, nice move with irons hits, you know, had a good ball striking. We got a great play. He just did everything really well. And, um, I'm very keen to see how, how he, how he leverages this and plays this. Cause he's going to have a lot of great opportunities now. So it's crazy that it gets him into the masters and it gets them into Maui, opportunities now. So it's crazy that it gets them into the masters and it gets them into Maui, but it does not get them into pebble or Riv. That's not that crazy to me. You're, you're, you're, you're, you're fired up on that one. That one seems like getting into the masters,

but not getting into river pebble feels a little strange, right? It's strange, but it is like the, the, the signature events are like it's like, you know, top 50 from the prior year. It's like an exemption from a whole year of great golf that gets you into it rather than just like a win gets you into it is how they're structured. Like it's different. Well, the win, a win for the,

like a win in the regular season. Like if somebody wins the, let's say they win Palm Springs, they get into all the signature events the rest of the year. So, you know, granted this is a fall series event. They get into all of them with a win? Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. I can't keep track of this shit. It is a little weird. Nor can the tour. They can't even update their fucking website. I went out there to like poke around and see it. I had to go to six different pages to like get the full layout, the full story. So frustrating. And who knows if what's on there is actually accurate and up to date, six different pages to like get the full layout, the full story. So frustrating.

And who knows if what's on there is actually accurate enough today. Cause they've probably, they'll probably tweak it again for the coming year. But Kevin Strielman made a nice little run. It looked like, uh, he was going to do some damage. He came up short into the, uh, the 10th hole, had a tough chip into the grain, pure chunked it. Johnson Wagner dropped the line of the day, saying it looked like me on live from. That was, that got me good. That was just, that was well timed.

Well, good situation to the where it is for our guy Johnson. Yeah, it was a Strealman. I saw something on the tours socials this week about him being all freed up from, you know, reaching 300 career made cuts, uh, you know, reaching 300 career made cuts, which, uh, you know, is obviously a full year exemption moving into the future and all that. And it's just, it's like, we gotta, we gotta put these mules out to pasture, baby. We got to do better. We

gotta get rid of all these loopholes. KVV. You're telling me TC. That's we can't make laws in this country anymore. Everything's all the pork is just stuff in every bill. It's ridiculous. This is, yeah, we need more of the young like young blood, right? Matt McCarthy is a perfect example of a guy who should be getting opportunities and just, you know, the Mike Weir's of the world. Take three years.

TC J. Dom Blake, Mike Weir, JB Holmes was in the field this week and then withdrew per usual. That's just, I have no tolerance for JB Holmes these days. None whatsoever. What did you think about the Jaydon Blake thing? Like would you, I mean, look, it's some sort of lifetime sort of like award essentially people, you know, the real true dorks of the world were talking about it, making jokes about it, but at the same time, like, come on. I mean, I got more of a kick out of that than 80% of the field this week. And it's just

really hard for the tour to compete on we are the serious product. And Jayden Blake is teeing it up at 65 years old and are the guy. How old was the guy last week at Sanderson? 71. He qualified though, didn't he? five years old and are the guy. How old was the guy last week at Sanderson? So he was 71. He qualified though, didn't he? Like through the. Yeah, that's true. Technically, you can't find me getting upset

about how they fill the bottom of the fields in the fall. Like you can't catch me. I don't know what you'd have to do for me to be like, man, there's a really deserving player that's on the sidelines this week. They fill it with the funniest stuff possible. That's where I feel like they should put the corn fairy tour guys in right away deserving player that's on the sidelines this week. They fill it with the funniest stuff possible. That's where I feel like they should put the corn fairy tour guys in right away and say,

cause those guys have to sit on the shelf now for almost three months. Basically, you know, they're pretty far down the priority list. At least they were in 24. We'll see in 25. And so maybe, you know, some of them didn't even get a look going into the Palm Springs event last year. So you know, and like it's, it's March or April and they played, they've teed it up maybe twice. I would love to see like a mule, a mule versus young guns shoot out and you, you put them in there and you know, they're not in the FedEx cup.

Like they're not improving their status per se, unless they play really freaking well and win a couple of times. I kind of think there should be a championship belt for the fall. Let's just add up points from the fall. Everybody's eligible for it. You get to hold up the belt at the end if you're the champ.

It would create some sort of alternate reason to follow along for a gambling reason as well. Like it's, I said that there should be a little, some like $2 million on the line or something like that. Put some, some cash at the end of it. Like a mini little fall, you know, series of some kind, champ of that kind. The tour, you know, they're all pissed, the tour's all pissed off about the showdown. This mule versus corn fairy thing, they should put that up against, right up against the showdown and then they could really throw suspensions at Rory and Scheffler for the play.

It's just so, I'm really curious to see what the, what the fall looks like in 25 and then really into 26. Cause it sounds like 26 is when things are really, really changing, but it's so taped together. Like next week, they're going to Las Vegas in the most tired ass event of the entire season, the Shriners. At a golf, like at TPC Summerlin, it's not interesting to watch on TV. And then they go to Japan out of nowhere. They're like, all right, cool. We're taking the fall series. We're going to a limited field event in Japan out of nowhere. And then they go to Cabo and then they go to the two, you know, they, they go to Bermuda and then they go to sea Island.

We're like, I'm fine with those. It's just the, the Sanderson's of the world or the, like the Sanderson's in the Vegas, the tired tour stops are the ones that are just kind of. So you sound like you're going to defend the Shriners. I, I don't know. Weirdly, the Shriners kind of again, in that fall category, it's late at night. That's the thing. Out West is good. Like a little bit of evening golf on TV is way better than, you know, the East Coast stuff.

I feel like it's always produces a good finish, some kind of exciting, like short par four on the back. Can't lay the pad in the hat's always doing something out there. I don't know. Shriners seems seems fine to me. I just I just don't I don't like that event. It's not good. there. I don't know. This Shriner seems fine to me. Oh, I just don't like that event. It's not good. You gotta let, you know, they gotta stand up all these events

to placate all the mules and everyone that has to put up with all the signature events and not getting into all those. In a few years, TC, it could be Taylor Gooch out there grinding to get back his card, you know? It could be, you know, he and Brooks could be a showdown at the Shriners

to try to get status for the following year. That's true. TC, tell us about the H&B fall collection. Oh, I'm wearing some of it right now. I'm wearing the Stableford sweater. See you've got the Wallace hoodie on right now. I've got the Nessie Polo on. They got all sorts of great colors.

They got all kind of inspired by Scotland. Got this Heathered Sage. They've got this Sky Blue and Aberdeen Blue. They've got like a Fescue, which is kind of that tannable color we've been rocking for a while. So I've been all over their fall collection. It's fantastic. We actually just put on a pre-book for their spring stuff too. And I'm loving the print polos. The print polos,

like the claymore, it's got swords on it. Swing your sword, KVV. Shout out to Mike Leach. They got the Loch Ness Monster that I'm wearing. They got the tour visor, the frame polo. But Salih, I got your shipment of the shorts and pants. What do you think? I love the shorts, but since it hit 71 this week, short season's over, unfortunately. But thankfully you did get some pants from me as well. They're fantastic.

The shorts are great, both on and off course. Sometimes you get some golf shorts and you're like, I would only wear this on the golf course. But they're great casual wear. Gotta work on my quads a little bit. They're a little, you're flexing a little bit on them. They're showing a little bit of thigh in those. But I freaking love them. Those are the a little bit of thigh in those, but I freaking love.

Those are the slaters that are the 8.5. Yeah. The hardwood are 8.75 and then the, there's another one that's nine. That's a nine engine seam. So, I love the shorts. It's like the only shorts I wear. I can't wait to wear them to play golf. It just does, does, that does not seem to be happening these days.

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The little going for it ringtone that they play on the short par four, this week it was the 14th, just doesn't seem to be resonating with viewers. And just generally speaking, it seems like there's a lot of telling us what's happening instead of showing us what's happening. Is it from Brooklyn Nine Nine that GIF or the video clip that goes around of the guy

just goes, oh, oh no, no. Like that's what I think of when I see their version of innovation of like, oh, no, no. Shout out Andre Brauer. That's it. That's what I'm going for there. That's just not innovation. That's just not the right word here, guys. Maybe we need to be thankful for that. It's just stagnation instead of innovation because after watching their Saturday college football studio show, that's like one of the most unwatchable collections of people I think I've ever seen before. And they totally botched the Ohio State-Oregon game, which thrilled Oregon one there. That was kind of the silver lining of the whole week for me.

You called it TZ early on. I remember waking up to the slack being, I'd be so excited if Buck Tech took a loss today. But man, they made that feel like a late season Mac game. And then we've got the clapper on tonight to kind of save the day. We might need to get the clapper on golf. T.C. I appreciate you're willing to savage NBC, like in all sports, you don't play favorites. You're just, you're on their enemies list, Ryan Roberts, enemies list up and down. The crazy thing is like the Sunday night football, the actual game with Torey Co and Collins worth is really good. They do an excellent job showing that it's just everything else. Like I tried to, I flipped on the Notre Dame

game this week, Notre Dame Stanford. It was awful. The cloud, the clapper was on there. It was awful. TC reminds me of the Durant tweet from like three years ago. It was like, there is no relax champ. No relax when I'm on Twitter. I'm up until the second I closed the app, you relax. Tc doesn't like Durant, but I think deep down they, they could be buds. They, they are definitely like, uh, they were too similar. Yeah. That's true. Uh, we got a great, uh, question here. This made me laugh from curly 99. Uh, is there only one golf course in France? As Dan Bradbury won the French open net, of course, the golf national bogey free 66 made birdies on 14, 15 and 16. 15 was quite an accidental birdie. As he said, he pushed it to a back right pin over the water.

Just drive way. Yeah. It's got pretty lucky with that one. There's some anchoring videos going around TCL. If you saw any of those, I don't know if that raised any concern for you. Bernhardt adjacent. Is that legal in France? Does the rules of golf apply in France? It's always unclear to me. There was once an 11-way tie for the lead on the back nine at one point this morning. But congratulations to him on that victory.

That was over, Theor Bjornholtz and Sam Barstow, Yannick Paul and Jeff Winter were all one shot back. And then Billy Ho's excellent European vacation came to an end. Missed the cut, flew home after a month over there. And yeah, I was just glad that this was on at the same time the Jaguars game was on. Cause I flipped off the Jack's game. It just went straight to this.

I, as soon as I flipped this on this morning, TC, can you guess what hole was the first one I saw at look off national? I can't. It's the seventh hole every single time. The Olympics, every time they showed it, every time I flip on this vent, they're showing that stupid ass seventh hole every single time, like the Olympics, every time they showed it, every time I flip on this vent, they're showing that stupid ass seventh hole every single time. And I don't know how it just gives it the whole golf court, the whole golf tournament takes place on that seventh hole. Whenever I, uh, I'm flipping on the golf national.

How about FedEx jumping in the FedEx open to France? Where did that come from? I did. Is this announced a long time ago? I don't remember. It might be the strategic alliance. You know, the bountiful strategic alliance. Hear you're saying that the DP World Tour should have gotten in bed with the PGA Tour. Also, guys, I forgot to mention Utah event, no big tone there. He was coaching his kiddos. Junior league team, PGA junior league team.

So good on him. Maybe he was also afraid that there was going to be protesters there as well. We don't know for sure. Also the Utah hockey team off to a rousing start. I think they're like two and oh or three and oh, or just crushing people. What did they end up on TC? I think they're just the Utah hockey team. I think they're going to try to be the yetis,

but I think they're going through some, some copyright trademarks now. Okay, guys, this is going to be a question that's going to show how out of the loop I am. Is there a new NHL team in Utah? No, technically yes, but it's the coyotes who were formerly the Winnipeg Jets. The coyotes were playing in that Arizona State Arena with like, for like 3,500 spectators. And Gary Bepman and the NHL Players Association was like, enough's enough. Bepman stepped in and said, hey, you gotta, you gotta like, Ryan Smith, Coltricks Ryan,

do you want a team? I did know this. So he paid basically a billion bucks to the guy that owned the coyotes, but they paused the coyotes franchise and all the history and everything. Stories history stays in Phoenix. It's not good. They don't do the pro core Fortinet Fortinet thing with the franchise.

Ben Hogan has not has not won, you know, five Charles Schwab challenges. And then lastly, I just wanted to shout out Toasty. The 28, 41, 69. That was strong. Really liked that. There was, the one thing, I feel like the tour needs to implement

some like special rules for the lava of some kind. I don't know what it is, but it seemed like pace of play was just like a disaster waiting to happen because guys got in there. Some of the early week golf I watched dudes were just in there just taking 15 minutes on rulings decided Harry Hall took for fucking ever in there trying to figure out if he should play a ball, played it. It went backwards, ends up taking an unplayable after that. And it just seems like they're, they should play it either all lateral or out of bounds or something.

Cause it just, that seemed to really sit down and play. That's my only note for that, for that golf course. Cause it was, it was working for me. Otherwise. Counterpoint the lava is sick. It is sick. It is sick, but if it's OB, that'd be even sicker. McCarty got a crazy bounce there towards the end. Was it on 17 or 18? He bounced off the lava. Like back. That was Strielman. I think it was Strielman. Yeah. Yeah. We've got that. Yeah.

And then I last, I wanted to shout out Nick Hardy played really well. He's, he's improving his status. Uh, Rico Hoey as well. He's, he's on the verge of cracking top 100, which is I think a big deal as we look at priority for next year. And my guy Harris English, HE, was not flushing it. That was tough. So all right, we can tie a bow. Amon Lynch reporting that the showdown, not the match, but the showdown will be taking place at Shadow Creek Golf Course in Las Vegas, Tuesday, December 17th. This is of course Rory and Scotty against Brooks and Bryson.

He also said two sources say the players will receive an appearance fee, but will not compete for prize money. It's understood that the 18-hole match will feature a mix of best ball and alternate shot formats. Guys, what is this event trying to accomplish? Kev, do you have any guesses as to what you think this event is trying to accomplish? I think it's trying to basically throw a big fuck you to the power brokers and basically say like, if you don't start moving, we're going to just keep doing these

things and we dare you in the court of public opinion to try to punish us for it. I do think it's really interesting that Rory kind of got Scotty to play the bad boy too. Like this seems like a Rory type move. Like I'm going to throw kind of a little minor tantrum, but to get Scotty to go along with it to essentially like defy the rules is like when you get like the kid in class who's like always really well behaved to like- But isn't he on parole? Like, is this a file? Does he have to check with the parole officer on this? In Vegas, Scotty, there's, there's no, there's nothing. What happens in Vegas.

Exactly. I don't know. I mean, does it strike you guys similarly? I mean, I just, I think like, I got to think Rory sort of cooked it up in some ways. Maybe he and Brooks were hanging out in some, you know, juke lunchroom and decided, let's just do this to sort of say, fuck you. Because Brooks kind of obviously wants things to come back together. It just strikes me as like they're something that they would at least kind of throw together. It felt like a double birds from Rory to Jay. And I've kind of, all right, I dare you to just sanction me for this. Sanction me with your army, Jay. You know, like, oh wait, you don't got an army kind of thing.

Guess that means you should just shut the fuck up. Which, you know, it's like, all right, either the tour is going to try to get their pound of flesh, I guess. Dan Rapoport tweeted that they're getting what? $4 million. And then he deleted the tweet this week, I think, said each guy's getting $4 million. That number sounded very high to me. Right?

And I think it was, yeah, I think there was all sorts of issues with that tweet hence why he deleted it. But like, per my understanding previously, the tour has gotten a sizable chunk of the total purse. And then they disperse it out. Right. Like, so for the match, yeah, the one million was like, yeah, Phil, like decided to blow up the entire golf world because he had to give not $1 million instead of, you know, he got paid 9 million instead of 10 million for the match and had to give a million to the PGA tour. So it was decided it was, you know, definitely

worth destroying every, every, every million counts. And you're trying to pay off the VIX solid when the shit is just compounded. And there's some guy named Tony who's at your door. You need that fucking money right now. Some guy named, some guy named Billy Billy. That's right. And you know what? Like Rory said, we're all in this together, Sally. I was going to go there. They're trying to trying to make us feel like we're all in this together. And that's where like I on the surface, this seems like a great idea.

And I think it seems like, all right, a PG tour first live. They should just do a Ryder Cup style event. And that would, you know, that would do incredible ratings. Hit and gig, like a hidden giggle. Like we all, we're all getting along and everything. I get that. I just don't know if like, it's a weird message to be sending from the four players to golf fans, because like they're not, if it was up to a lot of these guys, they would be back together and have it all figured out,

but it's just kind of a rogue something happening. It doesn't really signify anything to me other than like, yeah, we can we're getting together and we're gonna we're gonna play this. Whoever wins that doesn't really accomplish anything. It's not like an actual PGA Tour versus live thing. If live if the live guys win, of course, they'll turn into that. But I don't know, it seems weird. I won't say no to some entertaining, you know,

made for TV mic'd up golf in December. Like most of these things are entertaining on just really good players, really good players and they're good. Like, I don't know, just having Brooks and Bryson miked up at that dumb Vegas match they did and like hearing them trash talk each other a little bit. It's like that's better than a lot of golf that's on TV, but it would be one thing if this was like, ah, shit, what a, this is a great move. You know, they're making this step towards getting the golf

world back together. And it just seems like it's a lot more complicated than that. Um, I wish that was the case, but yeah. And who knows? Maybe it turns into compelling stuff and Bryson's doing Bryson stuff and it turns into a great canvas at shadow Creek and all that. On that Rory note, uh, Rory did an interview with Kyle Porter of the newly launched Normal Sport. Kyle asked him a question in the Q&A about what have you, you know, what have you always wanted to ask the media? Rory said, so I would say one thing, and this isn't you, there's certain people in the game

that I would say, how can I put this? We're all in this together, right? We're all in the game of golf together and we all wanna push forward. And I always wonder why some people in the media ask questions that have a negative connotation toward golf or make golf look bad or put it in a bad light. I get it, I get that it's human nature, negativity sells. That's why CNN is the way it is,

why Fox News is the way it is and all that stuff. But if we're all in this together and we all know that we can benefit by raising the game up, some people in the media love to ask why their coverage of golf is so negative. Kyle responded kind of in a different way saying, you know, basically like about being critical of players and things like that about performances.

And Rory says, no, that is, that to me is fine. Whatever, whenever that happens, absolutely. I think it's more to do with the coverage of I guess it's true, but viewership is declining and this is bad and that's bad and they hate the fans and they hate this. I understand where they're coming from, but surely it's in everyone's best interest to focus on the positive the positives of the game for recreational golf has never been better.

There's more opportunities to play the game. Just stuff like that. Sometimes I wonder what their incentive is to be so negative at times. For the overall game, I'm not talking about if someone messes up and you have to be critical of someone, absolutely. I think that is part of it.

I think more than anyone, I understand that and I know that. I'm not saying being critical of players, I'm saying being critical of the overall game of golf. Who's being critical of the overall game of golf, first and foremost? Like recreational golf. I think that Rory, and I think usually he has

a pretty good perspective on this, but I would say if he had, if I was there in that interview, I would say what you need to understand, and if some of that was intended, you know, as like a little bit of a nod towards us or people like us who are generally like, uh, I guess critical of the TV product, critical of the way things are. What I would just say is you have a very different

perspective than the fans who watch golf, okay? You're a almost billionaire. You're likely gonna get there someday. Like, your idea of like fixing golf is very different from the fan's perspective. from where the fan sits and that's the perspective that we have to have things are pretty shitty and our job particularly like as the sort of voice of the fan is to speak up for those interests and those frustrations it's not to sort of sugarcoat it all and just be bullshit and be like the players are great the tournaments are great like it's to express through how the fans feel about the product.

And that's where I think he usually gets that point. Like when I wrote a piece about how the fans were getting fucked over, they were the ones, the big losers in John Rahm leaving and then in the reunification, Rory like shared it, he retweeted it. He was like, this is spot on, like the fans are getting fucked. And so that's where I think the divide is different. If you're like, I grew up in media for a long time. I'm, you know, we joke, I'm the big J journalist, but I've been doing this for 25 years. Where there are people who are sort of negative and sort of spiteful and sort of, you know, constantly kind of like, ah, this, this isn't as good as it used to be, whatever, I get it, those are very small minority of people. For the most part, what we just do is express how frustrated people are, like it bubbles up through us and we get to sort of speak to power in some

ways. So I feel like that nuance is completely lost in that statement. I don't know if he would sort of be more sort of, you know, in a podcast format where it could be more back and forth instead of like a written Q&A, whatever, maybe you'd be a little bit more nuanced. But that's what was a little bit frustrating to me is like, dog, like the recreational golfers out there, who are you talking about? They're the ones who are fucking pissed that the game isn't as good as it used to be watching it on television. They're the ones who feel like... Or the pro golf's just irrelevant to them now. Exactly. They don't need it. And when they realize they don't need it forever, that's when you ought to sound the alarm

bells, dog. To your point, Kev, if I was to pin anyone that gets it, the first two names I would think of would be Rory and Max. The guys I've talked to about this stuff are in agreement with how it's not going well and are trying to prioritize fans. I get that part. If I'm really dissecting what he's saying here, some of the early part of it

is like asking questions in a negative connotation makes me think of the time he has spent up, you know, in press conferences, having to answer the same stuff every week and like slanted pointed questions is more of where he's going initially in his answer. That's like, so there are people that cover golf that don't play golf that are not, you know, serious, like golfers that don't take the game seriously and are, you know,

kind of maybe a little bit more angled and how they do things. That's probably what he was trying to get at. Could he have said it better? Probably? Yes. That's one thing. The second thing that felt like, well, seems kind of pointed at us is that they hate the fans. They hate all this stuff. It's like, yeah, I'm pretty sure those are literally my words. But like he gets all of this stuff. He gets exactly where we're coming from on that and where I, I, that's where I would push back to be like, you know, where we're all in this together. All of this is like, yo, the, the, the point here is that fans feel out of this whole

thing. Like everyone keeps getting richer. Like we're clearly signifying to people. Like ratings are going down. People aren't watching, aren't paying attention nearly to the same level. And- No, sorry. The Nielsen ratings are just- They're changing.

Are just flawed and they're changing. And the app, of course. Ratings are actually way up. Yeah, caffeine, TV, and things of that nature. You know, at the same time, like I don't take it, if Rory wants to, you wants to throw a shot at us or at anyone in golf media,

the guy has been amazing at taking shots and not taking them personally. And he's entitled to an opinion, of course, on all this. And I think I've spent a lot of time talking with him and I really respect how he goes about things. When I first read it, I was a little annoyed by it. And The more I thought about it, the more I was just like, you know what, the dude, like if there's anyone I can kind of take it from is probably him. Maybe we are a little too negative at times. Maybe he's not even talking about us. Maybe he's

not, but like it is, you know, he's, he's put so much out there and I think at some point he's probably like, dude, I'm just gonna fucking stop talking because I can't win anymore. I'm trying my best, but I can't win. That's my thing. It just felt like, you know, just oxygen. It's like, dude, you're the one who resigned from the PGA Tour board because you were so like hopeless and frustrated with it and frustrated with leadership.

And like Jay Monahan has been pissing on us for three years now, four years now, and telling us it's raining. Like how are we supposed to feel otherwise? And they can't, like they don't communicate well. They don't, they're not making the right decisions. And then they're communicating them poorly on the backend too.

It's like, you know, the governing bodies can't get along with the PGA tour you know, the governing bodies can't get along with the PGA tour. The PGA tour members can't get along with one another. Like it's, there's nesting dolls of bullshit going on here. How are we not supposed to feel some sort of frustration and negativity towards that? And yet we still watch every week.

We're fans, right? And we want it to be better. Way supportive of stuff on the recreational side. That was the confusing part. I think like, I would not, it definitely to say it's not pointed towards our kind of like environment at all to say like that we have a negative ad towards golf, towards golf in general.

I think that does exist from some, from stodgy old journalists. So that like, you know, the attitude of just rich man's game, all that stuff, which I don't know how much of that he gets, but I would be surprised if that was kind of angled more towards the alternative golf media community. But anyways, I will say, look, I do have sympathy for what he's always done is tried to give

an interesting answer to pretty much every question that he's ever been asked. And that is an easy way to like contradict yourself and get yourself in trouble. And you're always, but I asked him like, what, you know, you've been in America for a while. What's something that you find weird about Americans? And he was like, um, the obsession with guns. And I was like, Oh, dude, you want to take that on? Okay. Yeah. I mean, he, look, you know, he's, when he's played with Trump, like he's answered questions about that, honestly, knowing it was sort of a hot button thing. Like he's, you know, he said things about the Olympics that were controversial, that were his honest opinions at the time and changed

them. I get it. He's still the most thoughtful, like interesting voice in the game. And that's why those words carry weight. And so I understand it. I sometimes think to myself too like do I ever run down the rabbit hole of being too cynical or too negative like but I also like I'm really sort of hopeful and romantic and you know about golf in a lot of ways that are sometimes probably come off as naive to some of the curmudgeons and so I guess I just feel like man I but I know the idea that we're all in this together to me sometimes this just comes off as a little bit silly because as a sport, golf doesn't really get that much critical coverage man.

Like there's nobody, it never gets a gripped in the media sort of columns about how much better the media product because the stuff that goes on in the NFL, they're way focused on that. Like the NBA stuff, they're way more focused on it. Every media critic, I've tried to get some media critics to write about golf. I'm friendly with them. Some are like, hey, you should really tick this up. And they're just never that interested. So the idea that golf takes a lot of unfair heat to me always comes off as so silly. I mean, you see some of this with the WNBA stuff with Caitlin Clark. I don't mean to go on a rant here, but media

is obviously one of the few things that I feel pretty comfortable talking about. It's like when you go from a little bit critical from where you were previously to being all chileary. Oh my gosh, the sport just reacts like in a very like holy shit kind of way. And I think that golf sometimes they're like, man, how could you be so critical? I was like, no, this is exactly how the NFL is covered. This is exactly how the NBA is covered. Major League Baseball was covered for many years. Like you guys are kind of just behind the times a lot of ways in the sense of you've been treated with kid gloves for a long time. And so when you rip Christine Brennan's press credential like the WNBA players association is insane. I think the other thing with Roy too is like, Hey, like we, like we're like, I'm more in love with golf as at large than, than I ever have been. I'm less in at large than, than I ever have been. I'm less in love with pro golf than I ever have been. Those two things can be true at the same time.

And I bet if you sampled a bunch of people, they would say the same thing. And it's golf is so much larger than pro golf and they need to wake up and see that because Hey, well, we can keep talking about golf on here every week. It doesn't have to be pro golf, right? We can shift that focus and shift that recipe a little bit. And there's plenty of travel stuff to talk about. We travel the world to go seek out cool golf experiences and to play with new people and in new places and in other cultures. And like Rory himself says, hey, national opens need to be a bigger deal. All right, well then fucking go play in more of them, dude. Like go down to Australia. You've been talking about how great

the Australian open is. You haven't played in that in 10 years. Go down, like be an example, right? Like I know he played the Irish open, but there's been years he didn't even play in that. And you know, I give him credit for going up to Canada and playing in that one. But like, all right, put your money where your mouth is, especially if you're only going to play, you know, 19, 20 times a year, like you said. So definitely didn't take it all personal.

Roy, we spent 14 minutes talking about this whole thing. So hit dogs holler. What are you talking about? Come on. It just, it just felt tone deaf and like, it just lacked tact. I think, right? Yeah. It was put on the spot to ask a question on that.

And again, that's why I always tell people to do podcasts because maybe the inflection in your voice might have sounded a little different than it did. But guys, I'm so stoked. I've heard you got some stuff in the mail. Some stuff showed up for you guys. I hope people got a chance to listen to the podcast this past week with Dr. Sasho McKenzie

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two times a week, 30 minutes, 35 minutes each session and gain a massive amount of club head speed in your backyard. I cannot attest to it any stronger. The ball just goes a lot farther. I went and hit some balls the other night TC over at Jack's Beach. Could the net could not contain me. It really could not contain me. I think I was hitting 123 miles an hour swing speed at the ball. For some reason, when

the ball is not in front of me, I can hit 127 but I slowed down when the actual ball I need to work on that. But anyways, Kevin, you've done the, you've, you've got it out of the box. You've tried your first session. I think you are prime to gain some speed in this. No, yesterday my right glute hurts so much that I could barely walk, but today went away. And I was like, God, should I do the stack again today? And I was like, no, I'm going to wait the full two days in between. Yes, you have to, but I've been doing the putting. I've done three sessions of the putting, really already starting to see like, oh, I have a little bit of a left bias. Like I really should stop sort of, you know, hitting the ball so hard when I

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blue, you know, the regular blue tees. And it's typically a little bit into the wind or it's typically in off the right a little bit, but light wind. And I just I cannot like I come up a yard or two short of covering that bunker every single time I try to drive it. And it's, it's, it's gotten me to the point of like, all right, cool. I gotta do this just so I can drive. You could get that granule weeks, man. It's crazy. So check, if you want more information, check out that episode again, the stack system.com, uh, code no laying up for 10% off your order. Uh, it will change your golfing

life. I'm confident in saying that, uh, guys getting, getting word that, uh, our friends at NBC just ran a commercial on Sunday night football for the Jaguars bears London game next Sunday at 9 30 AM as somebody, as somebody that tweeted out about a, uh, next week's NFL game today, I'm going to be playing a London game next Sunday at 9 30 AM. As somebody, NFL network as somebody that tweeted out about a next week's NFL game today, I'm not going to make fun of him for that one. Cause that was, yeah, but that was like, that was still looking into the, you were too far. That's true. I was trying to get some plays in during nap time. It didn't work. Great. I did call McCarty to win today. Listen, uh, we're gonna count that as a W too little too late. Uh, road hole Rob tried to send an apology your way TC.

You going back to him at all? Yeah, he sent out a tweet the next day. Listen, it wasn't, yeah, it was too little, too late. I don't know what the hashtag F you was either in there that didn't sit well with me. He said double bogey on Saturday, then bogey Sunday, and you've got both barrels. Sorry, 17th hole.

Didn't even call it the road hole. At the home of golf, all of the heat of the moment, dot, dot, dot, nothing personal, two Scottish flags and a thumbs up and a hashtag F you. Wow. Bob, you're gonna have to do a lot better than that, bud. You're gonna have to come back and back for T.C.'s approval. I don't think it's coming.

I some other notes you want to you want to drop in here, T.C.? Yeah, I just saw that Tim Fincham was honored with the first T's lifetime achievement award. What do you think Tim Fincham is thinking about all the live? Like, you know, he left this neatly bundled ecosystem to Jay Monahan. And I know a lot of the stuff was lurking below the surface, but I would love to get some truth serum in Tim Fincham sometime. Tim, come on the podcast. We'd love to hear your thoughts.

Yeah. You know, he can't like Rick Clarson, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, required to prevent this? I mean, I think Fincham was probably running a lot of this anyways. We saw a lot of his playbook, but I think from a media relations standpoint, and just like, he was much more of a politician. You know, I mean, spent time in, you know, the White House.

You know, I think he would have been much more attuned to communicating things properly. Or, you know, maybe not like, I don't think he would have been an open book. He would have still been a total black box with things. But I think he would have been at least not fumbling all over his words and not slouched over in the chair like.

All right, that's about time. That's about time. 53 minute mark, we knew that was coming. The DP World Tour. There was an interesting Money in Sport newsletter that kind of dug into the DP World Tour's financials. Guys, things aren't great over there. They're struggling. And normally they do well in Ryder Cup years. But judging from their latest financial statements, they lost their asses at Marco Simone, which is tough. Yeah. And that's kind of, normally they run in the red three years in a row and then kind of, you know, hit the black big and it pays for the, you know, the

previous three years. That did not seem to happen. Was there any reason, can you discern why Marco Simone did not do as well as some of the others? And did they lose their ass at Marco Simone or did they lose their ass on top of and not exceed the revenues from Marco Simone? I think it was a combo. And weirdly they made money during whistling.

So I'm not sure if there was an infusion of cash or something that year in 2021. I'm assuming it was, you know, I don't think they made as much as they were anticipating on Marco Simone. Let me get the Ryder Cup profitability. They made, this France in 2018, but margin was down from 20.3% on that to 8.7%. So they ended up coming in about 12 million pounds short of what their EBITDA would be on the same margin as they did France. Sounds like we need to cancel some balls and some espresso huts and things like that.

If they're just, you know, it's just too expensive to run things over there. They saved all the money not mowing the rough in France and they, Luke Donnell made them chop all the rough down in Italy and I'm sure that ran them over budget. That had to be it. Which, you know, there could be all sorts of crazy stuff baked into all this with COVID and all that but it sounds like they had the commentary from the directors on this on this disappointing outcome was quote, staging budget for the Ryder Cup experienced significant macroeconomic pressures driven by post-COVID supply chain challenges, the disruption caused by the war in Ukraine with inflation running at 22% compared to Paris in 2018.

Can I just make a fictional version of this? Can I just be like, yeah, the European radical team way overspent on their team room and all the videos they made around it. The big mural they had of Seve in the crowd to start the afternoon matches that one day. That's where the European tour, they overspent. That's what's going to be the downfall of this dynasty. The loans from the PGA tour. It gets into those 22 there. I guess they're not loans.

I've been told on the back end that they're not loans. They're just decisions of cash that that'll be, but I guess for accounting purposes, they have to account for them as loans, at least now. 22 million pounds in 2021, 34.8 million pounds in 2022 and 53.2 million pounds in 2023. Those are rolling balances as of year end for each of those. Oh, those are rolling. Okay. So that ended but it's increasing year over year up to 50. So it's really, yeah. So 20 went from 12 million or 13 million year over year to almost 20 million year over year.

So their contracts right now are through like, I think I don't think they have anything on the books until 2020. Like like after 2026, the DP World sponsorship is over. Their Rolex sponsorship is over at the end of this year. Their Sky Sports rides, their golf channel rides. I think everything is set to end 2024 as far as a TV rights package and everything too. So we will see what happens. Somebody take some of that live money, baby.

You know what, if they can't, if they could never figure it out, bringing them back together and like the, the public investment fund just decided to go all in on the DP world tour. Yeah. I'd be okay with that. Like you want to go with, you should do.

Just go play in Europe. Like it would make the DP world tour super strong. Maybe we don't get to see some of the foreign players, you know, play on the PGA tour, but that's okay. Like I kind of like the idea of like, you know, a Seve or a Faldo or someone from a Monte growing up over there and just cashing in, making lots of money and then coming together for majors and feeling really like a rivalry instead of like your neighbors and juke that you're playing in the

Ryder Cup. Make it the national opens tour. You know, just a bunch of big National Opens. Now granted, you know, how long until the Saudis get bored with that? You know, pull the rug there. But yeah, I would recommend getting into the whole Money and Sport newsletter. Just type in Money and Sport. It's a substack. Very interesting. And then the whole ownership of the Ryder Cup is so convoluted. We'll drop in the show notes as well. We'll drop that full article in there.

You put this in here as some real Jack versus digital Jack. I know KVV read it. I did. God, this is good. So there's some stuff we didn't know. There's an article in Puck, Puck Newsletter, about Digital Jack and the whole Milstein versus Jack Nicholas thing. But they're using Digital Jack against Jack. Like Jack not owning his likeness, basically. One of the big, this was from Eric Gardner, And this is in puck, which I highly recommend. So, you know, Milstein suing

Nicholas because Nick, like, cause Nicholas isn't doing work for his design company. And then I guess Jack is saying that Milstein, Jack sold his design company and image and likeness all that to Milstein. Like it's, it's, this is going to be a flyby of the above. This should be a future episode in its entirety. Like all of Jack's finances, I think would Jack want to essentially like catch people up. Jack wanted to give his kids some money. He wanted to sort of like, you know, inject some of his sort of brand financially into them. And so he sold his name image like this to Milstein thinking like that all would be well become pathetic. And then he did not particularly enjoy

the way that our Milstein and his company then use Jackson Jack's image likeness with things like digital necklace and various other branding opportunities. And in fact, also said that Milstein was spreading rumors that Jack wanted to, you know, have a dalliance with the Saudis, which Jack was very upset. I never go with Saudis. That's unbelievable. I'm gonna die hard PJ tour guy. And for Barbara, do you hear what they do to you over there? And for Barbara, basically ruined. Yeah, do you do to you over there? Are we talking to the Saudis? What's going on?

Ruin Jack's reputation, basically. And Millstein was like, no, no, your reputation is I'm owning your reputation. So any like damage done to your reputation, I am the one who should take offense to this because I own those rights. Very, very convoluted, but also perhaps like a harbinger of things to come when it comes to digital likenesses. Maybe don't sell your entire name and rights to a shady billionaire who had a pretty poor track record for success in sports. It does kind of make that whole articles that come out in golf.com kind of touting Nicholas design

or touting Nicholas's likeness, whatever seem like all the more shady when Nicholas is basically saying like, no, fuck this. Like I'm not even like supportive of this. Imagine if we didn't have TC auditing all of these, the golf road would have been running, running rampant. Well, the funny part is he had, he had his own quote that's being used against him of, I think the Nicholas company will get tremendous use out of this digital twin for a really long time, Nicholas said. It could turn out the digital jack will advertise a 2045 automobile. Who knows?

You could actually do almost anything. Incidentally, golf.com is owned by Nicholas's antagonist, Millstein, which was like that was part of this, this, you know, big digital jack rollout. So, so we've talked about this before, but the long held known thing in the Arnold Palmer Nicholas rivalry is that Palmer was always really good at business. He like basically was just printing money, like everything he touched turned to gold. He went from, you know, basically being a guy who, you know, was just printing money like everything he touched turned to gold He went from you know, basically being a guy who you know was a working-class like kid to being essentially a billionaire Everything Jack touched during the beam the prime of his career

He he really kind of turned to shit like he made some fucking terrible business deals and still continue to make them You know after like he sort of like almost went bankrupt came out of it, signed another terrible deal, came out of it, then signed this deal, when the masters got all that money, lost it all a kid. So then trying to buy out Milstein and like, you know, regain his likeness and most things that no man, I own you. Milstein tried to buy the Redskins at one point too, which is fascinating. I think that was in our original, I always thought about Snyder,

Milstein was one of those sharks swimming around for it. I just think it's fascinating that Milstein, allegedly Milstein planted the Jack stuff, which I have a hard time believing. And then Milstein basically saying, no, I don't want you to do that stuff, all while Golf.com is doing like buddies trip to Saudi Arabia features at the same time as well. What a convoluted mess.

If there's anyone out there who took a buddy's trip to Saudi Arabia because they read a golf.com article, please reach out. I really want to tell your story because I do not believe that that is a real thing. But yeah, those articles were written. Well, speaking of- Shout out to the Kadia. Speaking of the Saudis, TC, tell us, you're getting involved with Liv Socials this week and you were getting shadow banned here.

Tell us about this. This week? I mean, most weeks I get involved. This is one of the highlights of my week though. Liv- They hid your tweet. Yeah, Liv tweeted this thing about, you know, basically it was a, first of all, all right, it's three by three. It's like a 737 layout, right?

Four rows of three by three. And it was like, who would you want to sit next to? And it's like, on an eight hour flight. Yeah, on an eight hour flight. Yeah, on an eight hour flight. So I replied, why are we flying a narrow body with no premium seating upfront on an eight hour flight? Like that's insane. Like nobody would do that.

Right. At least you're going to do like the new A321XLR or something like that. But anyway, I digress. I tweeted that it was getting, it was doing numbies. It was getting hundreds, hundreds of likes. They hit it. They literally hit the tweet. It said tweet hidden by post owners. I didn't even know that was a thing. I know you've ever done that. The original hide people's specific tweets. And then like it doesn't show up. So I guess it showed up still on my thing. You don't know that you've been hit.

Yeah. So then I made light of it and I said, hey, they're shadow banning my tweet and all that. But they were putting it up on a platter. I mean, they put... Here, let me just... Did you reach out to Elon? Because he like unbanned, you know, Ken Clipperseen of the formerly of the intercept for similar things, you know, his tweets are being banned and shadow banned and whatnot. You should try and see if Elon will get your response, you know? All right. So here's the thing.

It says you're on an eight hour flight. Which seat are you picking? So row one, it's the middle seat between Brooks and Bryson. The other side of row one is the aisle seat and you got Harold Varner and Pat Perez. Both of whom are probably gonna be shit faced next to you. There, two A is open and then you got two B is Leishman, two C is Cam.

That seemed like an easy choice to me, TC, to sit next to Leishman. Yeah, although Leish is kind of a big dude. That's true. Right? And then you got the middle seat on the other side between Waco and Abe Answer. Two small guys.

Yeah. And then you got, in the third row, you got the aisle seat. You got Phil sitting in the middle and Bubba sitting on the window. And then on the aisle seat. You got Phil sitting in the middle and Bubba sitting on the window. And then on the other side of that one, like this is a fucking layup. They put Anthony Kim in the aisle and they put Dustin Johnson in the middle seat. And so everybody in the comments is just making, making blow jokes. And then 4A, the window seat is open And then 4A, the window seat is open next to Hatton and Rom.

And then on the other side of the fourth aisle is Poulter in the aisle and Sergio in the window and you can get the middle seat. So which one are you guys picking? Not a lot of great options in there, man. Thank you, sure. I would say Cam and Leish probably and just probably chill a little bit. The rest sounds like, sounds like the, you know,

the embodiment of the nightmare blunt rotation. I think I'm, I think I'm pretty good. Eight hour flight. Yeah. I think eight hour flight, honestly. You much Hatton would bitch about the seats in that flight. Are you kidding? I'm in the middle seat too.

I'm sitting next to Phil. I get an aisle seat. The conversation's probably going to be lively. Phil would enjoy a little give and take, a little pushback. We could get to the bottom of some things. He could tell me where some of the bodies are buried. He keeps talking about spilling the secrets. I could probably convince him over the course of eight hours, like, hey, man, like, let's take this whole thing down together. Like, you know, butch Cassidy and Sundance kids style, you and me, we're going over the cliff together. Which I'll tell you which one I wouldn't take, 4E between Poulter and Sergio.

That's a tough one. That'd be so bitchy back there. It's probably the one too that you can't recline back in. And was this before or after the Economist article came out saying that Liv needed a shutter? Because I don't know if- This was after. I think they would have maybe not published that

had they known how many numbies that post was going to do. It's a pretty reckless article from them just, you know, before the cliques had any chance to make any off season moves to go ahead and say that Liv should be shuttered. I mean, it's speaking of off season moves, Sally, we got Eugenio Chakara leaving the fireballs as first reported on this year podcast by yours truly. You're breaking more news on live than the live. And then the cliques had their OTAs in Tuscany. They were doing work at the, I think it was a Rosewood property up there in the, in the Tuscan Tuscan mountains or whatever mountains those are there.

A big, big rebrand coming down the pike here. And then Liv did a question about what guys say they do for a living when an Uber driver asks them and you know, like they lie. Except for Patrick Reed doesn't lie. He says, I'm a golfer and he leans into it. Blandy answered airline pilot, which I really, really respect.

It does a man after my own heart. But you, and you wanted to comment on it, but you're afraid you were gonna get blocked. If you did. Oh, I did. I commented on it. They hide it with a with a Denzel Washington, my man. No, they did not hide this one. That's nice. That's huge. Thus concludes our our our live corner. All right. We got you know, we sent a call out for questions. Got more questions about football

than we did about golf this week. Trevor Reske, who will be the next head coach of the Cowboys and will that happen tomorrow? At Solly NLU, TC, what the hell are we gonna do about the Jags? That was you? Yeah, that was my question. I think we should leave them in London.

They are still in London. They're there for another week. No, I know. It's going to be God. What a, what a nightmare scenario over there for Doug. I think, honestly, I thought about it a lot today. I had a lot of time to think. I think the first thing they need to do is fire Bucky, the GM. He's just a clown, an art clown. I still understand why, why Khan won't, hasn't done't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

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I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I that. Yeah. But my thing is, I think they should hang on to Doug the rest of the season and just like, don't don't risk someone coming in with good energy and ruining a high draft pick. Did you see tonight, TZ, where he said we need a culture change? You're the fucking head coach.

Shouldn't you change the culture? Isn't that your job? The calls coming from inside the house. It's great. I mean, Gabe Davis looked so like I didn't understand that signing at the culture. Isn't that your job? The calls coming from inside the house. It's great. I mean, Gabe Davis looked so like I didn't understand that signing at the time. And I understand it less now. Andre Cisco said they quit, which, you know, that's a bad way to play football in the NFL, especially when the free safety of man, like everybody in front of you is quit. He's like, man, I can see it. They're like, I can see when guys quit on plays because I have to clean it up a good view of it all. Yeah So it's bad. It's really bad. It's very bad. Trevor got 200 million dollars guaranteed

His career records still not 21 and 34 done. I'm still not done with I don't know if you need to give him 200 million though TC that's what I tried Market just dictates that kind of shit like you he wouldn't assigned for give him 200 million though, TC. That's what I tried to tell you last summer. The market just dictates that kind of shit. Like he wouldn't have signed for other than 200 million. Like you have to. But then do you have to do that? That's my, like, if you're, if you're, You're willing to let Trevor walk,

then you could have made that decision, basically made him play out his contract or whatever and said, fuck it, go to free agency or we'll, we'll franchise you, but. He didn't have to do it before. This is his fourth year. Yeah. Yeah. Right, but they didn't have to do it before. This is his fourth year. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And they didn't have to do it before the fourth year. I just, just feel like you needed a season something like he's a, they could have done a Kirk Cousins to him. Basically

said, did you prove it? Prove it again. Kirk Cousins would have been playing for another two years because he's got the, you got the option here as well. This is your four, right? You're right. Yeah. Yeah. So he would have had to play out the fifth, you got the option here as well. This is your four, right? You're right. Yeah. Yeah. So he would have had to play out the fifth though, fourth and the fifth, like if you don't extend him. I know the first year didn't count urban. I get all that.

And you know, he showed signs, you know, under Doug a couple of years ago and it just, man, it's gone backwards. It's gone bad. It's, it's, it's like mediocre. The offensive line's awful. One of the things I'm struggling with is Doug looks like a complete clown too. Like he, you know, the scheme hasn't evolved at all.

He refuses to fire Randy's guy, press Taylor, uh, the offensive coordinator. It's it's awful. It's awful. So I, you know, I almost feel bad for, for Trevor cause it's like, he's regressing his fundamentals and mechanics look awful. It's awful. So I, you know, I almost feel bad for, for Trevor, cause he's like, he's regressing his fundamentals and mechanics look awful. He's throwing off his back foot and, but man, like he's in, in I think he needs to cut his hair. I think that's the other thing. Refresh. Just a total, you know, press reset.

Any other non-JAGS NFL thoughts guys? I think, I think Sirianni showed who he was today. You know, going after the fans. How stupid he had to be to want to fight Philadelphia fans. Like these are the fans who like live to fight. Like they made a whole fucking movie about how they like to fight. He's got Dom, right? He feels invincible. I think Dom would probably punch Sirianni. If they come down to choosing sides, I don't think Dom would choose Sirianni. He shaved his head. He had his kids at the press room, which I guess he does every week, which I think is such a low rent. I do think that's weak very much instead of answered hard questions, like put his kids there. I'm tired of, I've

had so many bears fans coming at me today saying, you know, when are you going to stop talking bad about Caleb? This is week six of his rookie year. Like I don't even think I've said anything bad about Caleb other than like, I'm not buying what he's selling yet. And I'm not, you know, this doesn't count. And of his program, it might be good, but it doesn't count. Like the last two weeks don't count.

And he played the Panthers last week. Two weeks don't count. Like the last two weeks don't count. And he played the Panthers last week, too. Those two weeks don't count. As our resident Bears fan, I'll say I was skeptical in the beginning. He's he's shown some progress. It's been so bad that Bears fans are desperate to crow about it. And so at least against bad teams, he's playing well, which even previous Bears quarterbacks did not do. I'm just saying to the Bears, like, have some pride to bears fans, you know, like,

like let's, let's, let's get a season under our belt, assess what you got and go from there. He's not, he's certainly not Jayden Daniels. That's for sure. So I'd also like to say the Niners, I think push was right. They're back. They're back. Wow. They were in a bare knuckle brawl on the road on Thursday night and they, you know, they lived to fight another day. They get another week to get healthy kind of long week here. I regrettably haven't thought the ball knowers yet, which if you want to hear more football talk,

they did have a ball knowers episode out this past week. Uh, I might do it tonight as I put together more and more dressers. It's Falcon. Falcons look good. We got vanilla Vic in prime time tonight. And, uh, you know, I want to wish all my people up in Canada a happy Thanksgiving tomorrow to Canadian Thanksgiving, second Monday of October every year. Uh, this coming week, we got Tom Kim going for three in a row at the Shriners, the Andalusia Masters is all the DP World Tour, the BMW Ladies Championship in

Korea. We have a Wyndham Clark podcast episode coming out this coming Tuesday evening into Wednesday. He was fantastic. We had a great chat, a lot of Ryder Cup, President's Cup stuff in that one. Any Tom Kim talk? We had we we talked about the Tom Kim, Siwoo Kim Kim situation got some details on the whole deal that went down. So tune into that, uh, this coming week, does he know that we've owned the blow pig? We did not talk blow pig. We did not talk about that. I had,

if you talk about the poofy, the poofy, of course we did TC on course we did. Of course we did. All right. You just have to tune in. Okay. Uh, we had a new video drop, uh, from Pinehurst number 10 as well on our YouTube channel. Go find that. We got a fun, a ton of fun podcasts coming this fall. Some already recorded, some in the works finalizing. We had some good primo content coming out here very soon. So we will just tease you with that. So a big shout out to Titleist H&B, the stack. Thank you everyone for tuning in. Thank you TC. Thank you KVV.

Everyone have a good one. One more thing. So I want to give a shout out to a kid at my parents club, Rylan Marcuson, 11 years old, just turned 12. He shot 68. He listens to every LLU podcast. Wow. Big, big fan.

And this is not from like the four T's. This is like from the men's T's. So you know. Big, big fan. And this is not from like the four T's. This is like from the men's T's. So, you know, big, big stick. Congratulations 68. Let's go. All right. On that note, thank you. Everyone's doing in see back here next week. Cheers. Cheers. Be the right club today. Be the right club. Be the right club today. Johnny, that's better than most.

How about him? That is better than most. Better than most! Expect anything different?