No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 915 - Wyndham Clark

Episode Date: October 16, 2024

Wyndham Clark makes his NLU podcast debut as he stops by to talk all things team golf after competing in the 2023 Ryder Cup and 2024 Presidents Cup. We also discuss his week at LACC winning the 2023 US Open, playing in the Olympics, and a ton more. If you enjoyed this episode, consider joining The Nest: No Laying Up’s community of avid golfers. Nest members help us maintain our light commercial interruptions (3 minutes of ads per 90 minutes of content) and receive access to exclusive content, discounts in the pro shop, and an annual member gift. It’s a $90 annual membership, and you can sign up or learn more at nolayingup.com/join Support Our Partners: Blade and Bow Titleist fanduel.com/nlu Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And I want to do that, and I hope I can get to that level. But I came onto the scene fast, and to expect that, I think, it was a little unrealistic. And so, I mean, all in all, I won a tournament. I finished top three times. I had multiple top tens, multiple top fifteens, played on the Olympic team, played on the President's Cup team, finished eighth on the overall FedEx. I'd say it was a really good year, but people kind of overlook it. I felt like it was pretty underrated. And I was, you know, I guess if I look at it now, I'm proud of what I did,

but in that stretch where I was kind of not playing good, obviously it was frustrating. But yeah, these last two years have been an amazing run for me and I'm looking forward to the next few. Well, cause it's, you know, for us on the outside, I don't want to say you came out of nowhere. I mean, everyone was familiar with you. You're on tour for four years.

You are producing right around, you know, around average PGA tour level. And then you took this massive leap in 2023, not only just winning the majors, but your iron play took a massive leap. Your driving, you know, ended up taking a massive leap. What if you had to, you know, I'm sure it's a million things

along the way that gets you there. But if you had to, you know, I'm sure it's a million things along the way that get you there, but if you had to pinpoint something that kind of predicated the leap or that you would owe it to kind of where does your mind go there? Kind of two things, two things I'll give you. One thing was about two and a half, three years ago, I fired or stopped working with any swing coach and decided to just work on it on my own and

own my own golf swing. You know, everyone's always said I've had an aesthetically pleasing golf swing, but yet I didn't necessarily know how to control the golf ball. I didn't own my swing. I didn't know how to fix it when things were off. And so when I kind of decided to do it on my own and have my caddy to help me, that's when I started really improving on that iron game and the ball striking because when things were off,

I knew what to do and things were on, I knew how to maximize that. And when I was under pressure, I knew what shot to hit. So that's the first thing. And then the second thing was improving on the mental game, hiring somebody with Julie and really tackling that and spending a lot of time on that daily. And early on, I didn't quite see the benefits that year,

but I was making a lot of cuts. I was having a lot of top 25, 20 finishes. I was in contention. Then I started having top 10 finishes. And then boom, I won my first tour event. And then shortly after that, I won a major. And then I started having all these great finishes and ultimately finished third in FedEx last year.

So those are kind of the two things that really stand out. And so now it's trying to get back to finding how to still improve. And that's kind of the struggle now. But those two things really helped. Well, I'm curious. Your work with Julie was documented in the Netflix series and you know, it's, it's been, you've, you've, you've given a lot of credit to her and I'm kind

of more curious to pick your brain on when things didn't go, like you had this rise, you're up at the top of the game, you, you're a lip out of weight. I could, I lost a lot of money on that play. I had you to win the players this year and I'm still bitter about that lip out. I can't be more bitter than me. So,

but I'm curious how the mental stuff, when things didn't go as well for the rest of the year at certain parts of the year, how did the mental game kind of work you had done? How did it help you in that period? What was your experience like with kind of how your mental approach was during times when the golf wasn't going as well?

Yeah, so that stretch, so I won Pebble and then played great at Bay Hill and then great back-to-back players, almost had two wins. Those were pretty frustrating for me too. The Bay Hill one, not as much. Scotty just played amazing on Sunday. But the players was, I mean, that's another life-changing event to win.

And it is our fifth major. And I felt like I really had it and I missed two short putts on Sunday and then missed the putt on 16, then obviously 18. And so I really had a chance to win that. That's obviously frustrating having the heartbreaks. But what really bothered me was when I got to the Masters and missed a cut there and then played poorly at the PGA

and had that stretch, I really had to dive deep. I had to make sure that all the stuff that I was working on, we had to really continue to work on the mental game. And that's when I found out I was so focused on results and I went back into my old ways. And so just because I had an amazing year last year and I grew leaps and bounds mentally, I'm still human, still make mistakes and some of the old is still in there. And so that's what we found ourselves last year in that stretch for about two months. I was so focused on results,

and after nine holes on Thursday, or even after the first round on Thursday, I was already thinking about results and frustrated that, well, now I'm not gonna win because I shot even parred, I'm so far behind, or whatever it is. And that's when we kind of got back into, all right, we need to focus on our process, the things that helped us play good. And so we

kind of went back to the elementary steps that we worked on when I first started working with Julie. And then I started finding myself having some good finishes, we ended the year with, you know, five or six top 10 or 15 finishes and started playing some good golf. And I was kind of bummed honestly that this season ended because we were starting to trend where I felt like in a few weeks,

we were then maybe gonna really do something special and win. So yeah, I mean, so that's kind of what we did. And this off season, there's gonna be a lot of work that we gotta do because I felt like I, you know, I went up a lot last year, and then plateaued a little bit. And I felt like I went down in my mental game a touch. And so I'm hoping to get that rise again. And even if it doesn't result in wins, and whatever, at least my feelings on the golf course need to get better. I was definitely, I definitely took a few steps back.

I felt like at the middle kind of end of the year. Well, that's why I kind of wanted to ask because I find that part interesting of, you're not the first person I've heard say that in terms of maintaining practice of your mental game is harder than you might think. You might think you have mental golf figured out when you start playing this amazing golf,

but it's almost the same way you need to practice and maintain your physical nature of it. You know, some maintenance on the mental side is needed along the way so you don't skip ahead to results exactly like that, especially when you're comparing yourself to a really high peaking version of yourself as well. That's an unreasonable expectation to hold yourself to. Yeah, I mean, the biggest thing I like to call them daily

disciplines and trying to stick with your daily disciplines. It's amazing what that for the mental game, daily disciplines for your mental and kind of spiritual life is so huge because then it helps you when you get into certain circumstances, your mind just is already like just trained and your training kicks in and you just react in the way that you want versus if you get away from that, you start falling back into old habits and doing things you don't want to do. And you know, it's tough too.

Like you could be in a great mental game on the golf course, but then outside influences away from the course can really affect your golf game. And that's what's so tough about golf is everything that's going on in your social and personal life typically comes inside the ropes and golf tip. I mean, you saw it with Tiger, he was great for so long. And then when his personal stuff got to a certain point, it started affecting his game. It does it to all of us. And that's what's so challenging. So it really is a huge balance, especially in golf, to have your life off the course good, family situation good, your mental game strong, and obviously your physical

game strong too. Then once you get inside the ropes, that's when guys play their best golf. And so it goes to show someone like Scottie and Xander how good they played this year. Clearly they have their work-life-family balance in check. Because that is, it is very challenging. And there's always different things coming at you. You mean, as you start playing good, more expectations, more time, more media, more everything is thrown your way and it starts to distract you from the things that really matter, which is trying to play your best golf or trying to be

the best husband, boyfriend or father that you can be. So I laugh at that. I'll just a little bit of like, yeah, Scotty with jail this year. I mean, come on, he doesn't have his off course life really that much. I mean, that is crazy. I think that happened. So we hear a lot of stuff about how experience in these team events, how valuable that is.

I'm curious. You were on the Ryder Cup team last year in Rome. You just played in the President's Cup as well. What was something you took out of your first team experience in Rome that you took to Montreal? What was kind of like being an experienced team member for Team USA playing in the President's Cup this go around?

Yeah, I mean, you really don't know what you don't know as a rookie. So going in there, obviously you have certain expectations and you think it's going to be this way and that's totally different. And so I learned that our time is not our time when we're there. So when you show up, we have so many things that we have to do from media stuff, pictures, galas, you know, pictures, galas, meet and greets, whatever it might be.

And so in there, they sprinkled some golf time. And so if you don't show up prepared, you're not gonna have time to get prepared. And I felt like I had my best year ever last year. The playoffs were so hot, temperature wise, it just felt like such a grind. And so when I finished at East Lake last year, I just like, I don't even want to be around golf.

So I, I didn't touch a club for two weeks and I honestly showed up to Rome, not prepared and that's my fault. But I was just so exhausted. And I felt like a lot of us did. We all took time off and we were like, we just need to step away from the game. And I think we all expected that we could just show up and be. What we were just four weeks ago. And even though some of us are the best in the game, you still have to be

tournament sharp and mentally tournament sharp, and I just don't think we were. So this year I wanted to make sure I was prepared. And, you know, even though I didn't necessarily have the best record this year of, you know, wins and points, I played amazing golf for the first three matches. We just ran into a buzz saw. I know strokes gained the first day. I was one of the best on our team. And then the next two matches, we were playing really good. Tony and I played nice. We were one under through 12 holes, alternate shot, which is honestly pretty good on a tough day. And then Keegan and I were five or six under through

14 or 15 holes and lost on the 15th hole because those guys were like 11 or 12 under. I mean, we just ran into busts Oz. And so I felt like I did, you know, my side and of things of working on my game. And, and I'm hoping that a lot of guys will start doing that in the future. I mean, our team this year, I felt like was really prepared. We all either went and played a tournament or stayed tournament sharp. And so I'm really looking forward to, you know, the Ryder Cup in New York, hoping I make the team because I feel like we have a great Nucleus right now of guys that are really close and are friends, but also obviously very good. And I feel like if we could try to keep this, this core for a few years, I think we could really go on a nice run.

How does it, from the outside, it feels like, I mean, the Keegan selection as a captain was out of left field. Not a lot of us out on the outside saw it coming. I don't know if you would have seen it coming. It didn't seem like a lot of guys inside the circle really knew that was percolating. But do you

get a sense that Team USA is undergoing some sort of cultural shift with a decision like that? You played for Zach Johnson, you played for Jim Furyk. This is a player who's under 40 years old, who's just played on the most recent President's Cup team. It certainly seems like that from the outside. I'm curious kind of what you think, what we should expect from a culture perspective of how you think Team USA is trending in the future. Yeah, I mean, as far as Keegan being the captain, I think to be honest and probably what really happened

is they didn't plan on, let's say, 10 years ago, they probably are expecting either Tiger or Phil to do it. Phil goes to live, so that takes that off there. And then Tiger declined it. And then they're like, okay, who do we put? And I think they chose one of the best guys. I mean, Keegan has an amazing career. He's playing amazing golf.

He could literally qualify for the team. He's playing so good. And then also he has so much passion. And growing up, I know New York isn't quite New England, but like growing up in that area, he's used to it. And that's where he's from. I think he was the perfect pick. And then as far as kind of changing the culture, I think it's great. I think the younger, I mean, our team's really young. We don't really have, I mean, Keegan,

Keegan and Tony would be really the only two vets that were on our team this last year, you know, and I just think our team's continuing to go that way. So having younger captains, I think, is pivotal. I think the games changed a lot. And seeing how things were maybe in Rome and how now things were at the President's Cup, I can already see that shift. I think, I applaud Furek for how great he did.

He had younger captains in Snedeker and Kisner, and then obviously sprinkled in Stewart, oh, and Justin Leonard. So he had kind of a mix of it. And I know Keegan's just only going to have younger guys. But I think it's a great shift because the game kind of has evolved from, let's say, when Furek and Zach were really playing at their peak and when they were part of these teams. I mean, our guys are used to having really good gyms now. Everyone's in the gym before and after the round.

We're very spoiled on tour with how good we eat. Everyone eats healthy. Guys aren't drinking beers after rounds. They're not going out and doing that. We're all really close. So we want to be in a, we want it to feel like we're part of a team versus having it segmented,

which I've heard other, you know, club houses and stuff were like that. The wives and girlfriends are really close. So we're really a close knit team right now. And I think that's great. And so I just think they need to make some adjustments and what they did at the presence cup, I thought was fantastic. We all were really, I felt like they set us up in the atmosphere that we could play our best golf and, and we played amazing. I mean, we were trying to get to 20 points, what would we get to 1818 and a half. And so we we were close. And that's kind of becoming the, you know, the

expectation for our team is to try to not just win, but to dominate. And so that's, it's kind of a cool atmosphere. Tell me about how the planning goes for like, for how Jim not just win but to dominate. And so that's kind of a cool atmosphere. Tell me about how the planning goes for like, for how Jim Furyk necessarily did at the President's Cup. When did you know who you're gonna be playing with? How many matches? Were there any like variations to a particular plan

that were kind of dependent on this? You might do this, this and this. I think if I went back to Rome, I'd heard some rumblings of maybe some guys not being as certain about what they were gonna do. And I'm curious if that process was different in your two experiences. Yes, very different. I think the transparency this year was awesome on Jim's part. He told

me, let's see, he told me about two weeks in advance, obviously the team had to be set. And so I was right after East Lake. And then it was maybe a week of them talking with the stats guys, talking with every player about each guy, whatever. So then a week after the tour championship, he goes, Hey, Wyndham, I'm thinking of putting you alternate shot with Tony. What do you think?

And I said, awesome. And he goes, anything you wanna, like you can say you don't like it, whatever. And he just opened that up and I said, no, I love Tony. We have a history, his caddy and my caddy are close. Feel like we compliment each other really well. And he said, perfect. We love it.

He plays the left dot. What do you, what ball do you play? I said the 19 X we both got each other's golf balls. We practiced for a couple of weeks. And then a few days after that, he goes, we're thinking of putting you with Keegan for best ball. And he goes, we're honestly probably not going to switch our teams up. And I was like, really?

And he goes, yeah. He goes, I think statistically, all these work the best, all you guys together. Obviously, depending on if someone doesn't feel good, they get hurt, or some guy's game is just awful, there is contingency plans, but we really want to have the transparency so that you guys know and can prepare together. And so I thought that was awesome. And so I knew way ahead of time Keegan and I started a text between each other, Tony and I started a text between each other. I got them special gifts for that week so that, you know, we just felt like it was within the team, we were also a team, which was really cool. And, you know, I think our like the wives and girlfriends

got on a, you know, they were all like, hey, we're, we're a team. And so it was really cool. And Jim did little things that I thought was smart. We had team dinners, I was always sitting with Tony and Keegan at the team dinners. And so it was like our little pod of us being together. And so it made it it made it really cool. And I'm hoping becomes a staple. And it sounds obvious. It sounds like well, that's what there has been in the past guys, multiple not just last, you know, Rome, but other ones were guys like, yeah, there wasn't the transparency that Jim had. And so I think it was amazing having Keegan on this team to see how good Jim did so that he goes, I want to make sure I do those things. And then obviously you take certain things, add certain things. And so I think Keegan's going to do an amazing job.

That's super interesting because even Jim referenced himself, you know, lessons learned, I guess, from when he was the captain in France in terms of being planned out and ready with his pairings earlier on than midday, right? He specifically said that in an interview of how kind of how he did things there. And that's, I'd be curious, there's a question more for him than it would be for you of the kind of culture that you're talking about right there. One, that sounds like stuff Europe does. And I was curious to pick your brain on just what you see on their side of the Ryder Cup that you would want the US to emulate. But you just gave off a couple of examples there that I hear that. I'm like, that sounds like the kind of culture that gets me ready to run through a wall as someone

that roots for Team USA. Yeah. I mean, that was honestly one of the biggest shocks when I played for the team in Rome was just that in itself. It was like, okay, I didn't really know who I was playing with and didn't know the situation. So I was just kind of out there on the range and then they'd come up and say, all right, Wyndham, you're going with so-and-so. And you're like, okay, I didn't even play practice round with him. And so it just was disjointed.

And so this was awesome. And, you know, let's say, I'll give you an example. On Saturday, when we had the 36-hole day at the Presence Cup, he told me, he goes, Wyndham, I'm going to put you and Keegan out in the morning. Yeah, I'm going to put you and Keegan out in the morning. I'm going to sit you in the afternoon. You good with that? I was like, yeah, I understand. He goes, you played, that would be three matches in a row. We'll rest you in the afternoon, come cheer us on, work on your game, do whatever you need, and then be ready for singles.

And we knew the night before. And so he told everyone, hey, I'm sending you guys for morning and afternoon, or you're sitting the morning, you're playing afternoon. And I guess that hasn't been relayed in the past, and which is just crazy to me. So you can just prepare mentally. You go, okay, I've got to prepare for the morning. It is best ball. I'm going to go and make sure that I have my best game so we can go out there and, and win and I'm going to be thinking about birdies and I know the holes I'm playing.

Or if it was alternate shot, you start visualizing that, hey, I know I'm playing just alternate shot. I'm going to visualize my tee shots, the putts I'm going to have, the iron shots I'm going to have in. And that's, I mean, it just sounds like no brainer, but finally I felt like that happened this year. And so it's, there's no shock that we, in my opinion, had so much success because we do have the best squad and we are some of the best players in the world. You just need to set us up for success. And I feel like they're doing that now. Yeah, that's, that's really encouraging to hear. I think so.

You, you, you mentioned you sat out Saturday afternoon. Uh, you know, that, that afternoon in the matches, I'm assuming you just made no headlines, no, no controversy or anything came from anything you did. Uh, you must have been back resting in the clubhouse. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I didn't do anything. I don't know what you're talking about.

It's so golf, dude. It was, I love this stuff. I love the, you know, Tom Kim, Siwoo Kim, all the trash talk back and forth. You know, the social post catches you giving them the night night back after Siwoo did it on 15. People, people had a really strong go at you about that. I'm in on all that stuff. I'm curious if you were kind of, if you got it, it felt any blowback from that or if you have any details you want to share from that. Yeah. I mean, there, there's more of a backstory to it.

So that morning I played see we win Tom, it was Keegan and I, and I've never seen more putts made in my entire life. It was, like I said, Keegan and I were five under through just to give you some stats, we're five under through 14 or 15 holes. Our stats guys told us afterwards on average six and a half is the over under on guys that win matches or lose. So if you can try to get to about six to seven under you're more than likely going to win the match or at least go to 18. We were five under at 15 and lost or actually five hundred going to the 15th hole and lost. They were 12 under through 15 holes.

So we just got buzzsaw and we got to see them, you know, celebrating and gallivanting all around the greens in the morning, watching putts being poured in from everywhere. I mean, it's one thing to make five and 10 footers, but to make 20 footer and 40 footer and chip in and 30 footer and 50 footer. It was just like

what do we got to do so we saw it that morning it pissed us off and Then that led us to obviously watching in the afternoon Keegan Tony and I all showed up on the 11th hole of that match of Xander and Pat and sure enough Siwu makes a 35 footer from off the green and King goes, should we leave? Like I don't know if it's just us or should we leave? Because every time we're around these guys just make putts and we're so pissed. We thought about leaving and then Pat makes it on top of them. And so at that point we go nuts because we're like, you know, LFG, let's go baby. And we're so pumped.

And I think that's when some of the hostility started because they were walking by us and we were so excited, especially Keegan and I. And so, you know, we were yelling for our guys. And I remember Sebo and those guys walked by and looked at us and kind of were pissed that we were so excited. I mean, what are they waiting? There's no fans rooting for us. And so we're trying to create noise.

So then we proceeded to watch some of their best Presence Cup golf I've ever seen. Made putt after made putt, amazing shot after amazing shot and then it leads to the 16th hole. We were right there. I mean I was you know 15 yards away from PC when he chipped it up there to gimme and they were in a spot that I mean their ball was plugged or not plugged whatever and it didn't look. And it looked like more than likely they're not going to get up and down. And so we're going to take a two up lead going to the last two holes. And then for him to make that was literally one of the best shots I've ever seen and witnessed the level of difficulty. And obviously the circumstance was out of this world. And I love see who and a lot of his celebrations. I mean, that guy has some serious cojones, making that putt on,

what was that Friday to shut us out. I mean, nothing but good things to say to him. With that said, I know he was probably excited, but that celebration of a night night, you usually do it when you close out the match or there's no way. If know, if they were to go up two with two to play, a hundred percent, I'd say, wow, that's the most cold thing I've ever seen. But doing that when you're only tied, you know, Tony and I looked at each other and we're like, did he really just do that? He goes, they just tied the match.

So then they tie 17 and we go to 18 and, you know, they both hit the green and Tony and I are walking up and he goes Hey, if PC makes this and they don't make it we're hit we're giving them the night night and I said a hundred percent We're doing now. I think Tony was maybe in the back just doing it I might have gone up just because I was so pissed of losing to them earlier I might have gone up a little closer to them and gave them the night and obviously got in trouble for it. But hey, if they're going to dish it out to us, I feel like they got to be able to handle it coming right back at them. And you know, PC made one of the best. I got to witness Patty Ice in person twice, once him being my playing partner and once being right there by the green making it. So it was, it was

really fun. I don't regret it. I think it was great. I think, I think it's good for the game and sure. Hopefully no one hates me for it, but that's, that's the full story on it. That's great. I again, like I said, I, I was cheering on C will and Tom Kim making all the pots doing there. I know it's going to get under people's skin, but like that's kind of the point of team golf, man. We watch all this stroke play all year long, like give us all that we, we,

we jokingly, there's always this sentiment that goes around these 10 team events of like, you just don't do that. And that's like, says who like have some fricking fun with this event, like rider cup. And, and, and it always seems like the U S gets made out to be the bad guys in all these situations. Every single time. I mean, it's honestly, that was one of our talks in the room is like, Hey, they're going to do everything they can to try to promote the

international team, bring us down, everyone wants them to win. And that was one of our chips on our shoulder was like, no, we're going to continue our dominance and they could say we're the bad guys. We did nothing bad. I mean, we weren't the ones celebrating on greens. We weren't doing any of that stuff. I mean, we were just going about our business. But yeah, I think it's great. I, I love it. I don't care. There was controversy last year at the Ryder Cup.

There's controversy this year. I think it's great for the game of golf. I think it's fun. I think it's even fun for us because it gives us motivation and kind of lights some fire under our asses to be like, all right, well, then we're going to show you. I think it's great. A quarter century of breakthrough golf ball innovation

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and bring you inside the testing and golf ball fitting processes for the best players in the world. Back to Winnem Clark. Tom Kim's comments about the U.S. American players swearing at them. Paul Tesori backed those comments up recently. One, do you think that was about you and what you're saying of just like the cheering you were doing kind of in the direction of your teammates but maybe they got it were in the kind of crossfires? He said the cheering you were doing kind of in the direction of your teammates, but maybe they got it were in the kind of crossfires of it. He said they American players were swearing at them. Which it kind of sounds like they may be talking about your situation there where you're given the

LFG is from the sideline here. Do you think it's kind of a little bit of wires crossed as to you know, it didn't sound right when he said that players were swearing at him. I can yeah, go ahead. Sorry. Oh, yeah. I mean, when. I mean, I was shocked that Tom said that in the interviews afterwards. I was with everyone that was watching that and I didn't hear anyone specifically saying, you know, F you Tom or anything negative towards them. There was cussing but it was towards our team going LFG let's go and we were all saying I mean we're in the heat of battle and we were just cheering

for us. So yes if he's talking about us cussing yeah there was cussing but it was in the in the direction of our team going let's go we're trying to bring the energy we are 75 people that were watching for team USA and they had whatever 20 30 thousand So we're gonna try to make any noise we can and get it up keep our guys pumped up and give them some momentum so From my understanding that's what happened You know, I I don't know. I didn't know if anyone else did And hope I everyone we all talked about it and

they were like no we didn't do it and we all you know, fear it back to us and said well I didn't hear any of this. So that's I think maybe where it came from. So I don't know exactly but. I know that's more of a question for him than it is for you but I was just curious to get your perspective on that one. But what was the highlight of the celebration? What will you remember about, about that night?

All right. Let me think. Let me think. Um, or there's some karaoke. Oh yeah, there was some carry that actually was a lot of fun. So, you know, we get back to the team room area at the golf course and we're all celebrating shots and some great speeches and then we have to pack up and then we get on the bus and there's two buses to take everybody. And we were on the bus that did karaoke and there was multiple people that did it. I got up and did it. Austin Kaiser did it. Sahith did it. Jim Furyk did it. It was

great. So that was really fun. Who sang what? Do you remember who had what? Yeah, I mean, remember who had what? Yeah. I mean, it's saying I'm on a boat. On the bus and then I did drop them out by Wheeler Walker Jr. which is a very derogatory song. Not not proud of it. But it was well, it was funny. So that was, uh, yeah, that was on the celebration. What about Jim? What's he, what's he doing? Well, I think he did an Eminem song, I think. Really? Yeah. And then Kaiser, Austin Kaiser has memorized. He didn't even have to look at it. He's memorized every word of vanilla ice. He was like, he put on a performance. That was hilarious. Um, so that was a great moment. And then another awesome moment was a show, Hideki's Caddy was arm wrestling with everybody.

I mean, this is late, late in the night. So everyone's had a few drinks and the show was arm wrestling everybody and he lost to somebody and he got up and was like, I don't care. And he pulled up a shirt and on his shirt was Sharpied, Hideki one up over Scotty Shuffler. And so he had someone wrote that on his stomach and he pointed to that and said, it's okay, one up over Scotty.

And so that was really funny. I mean, we all lost it. And so he kept showing it all the time. So that was pretty funny. You mentioned speeches. Who's giving speeches? What's being covered in some of those? And what do you remember about that?

Yeah, post-round celebration. I'm just kind of curious on that one. Yeah, well, obviously, Jim came in and gave an awesome thing. And his wife did too. And then there's some other players and some caddies, you know, Scotty Vail, Keegan's caddy said some really nice words. Austin did as well. And then it was really cool as we did the whole thing.

And then Keegan was the last guy that stood up and pretty much said how amazing this was and how excited he is for the Ryder Cup and kind of got us all even more pumped for the next year. So there was a handful of guys, I'd say probably five or six people that stood up and said some really nice things. And then throughout the night, there was many toasts to certain people and great things. But those are kind of the speeches that were said.

I forget. I think I asked a version of this earlier, but kind of want to circle back on this. From your first Ryder Cup, I know it's a kind of overwhelming experience, but I'm curious if you had any takeaway after that was done with Rome. Did you look at how Europe did things, how they bonded,

how they approached things? Did you take anything from that and say, oh, OK, I didn't know if I understood that about team golf, but that is something that we could borrow over on the US side? I really like how the way they've done this in particular. Any kind of takeaways from being in that competition? No, I wouldn't necessarily say it was anything that they did.

Um, specifically that I think we looked at, I think a lot of us collectively after Rome had conversations. I remember Brian Harmon and I having conversations, Xander, I mean, Scotty, Sam Burns, a lot of us were having these conversations all throughout the year of, can't believe we did this, we need to do this. Even Max Holm was involved too. We need to do this next time. We need to make sure this is set up. And so we all just were talking about that.

And then we were relaying it to the people that kind of helped run these team events and just said, hey, we played on sports teams growing up. Like, we played high school basketball, we played high school sports, we love other sports, we're not just golfers. And we kind of had a fragmented situation. We need to make sure that it is the best possible. And so we all collectively as a team said,

hey, this is what we should do. And that's why I applaud what Jim did is, Jim's been a captain of other teams and obviously had things that he's done in the past that were successful. And he adapted some of the things and that we said that we really wanted and just gave us the best atmosphere for us to play well. Well, a topic I'm sure, tell me when you think you're going to get sick of talking about the 2023 US Open. What's the what's the run? My 10, 15 years you think we have to ask? I'll never get sick of it. I'm hoping it's not the only one we get to talk about.

Well, going to that final round, there's a lot of big names up on the leaderboard. Again, from all of us sitting on the outside, granted, you had just won Wells Fargo a couple weeks before that, but it seemed like it would have been an upset. As of that morning, if you'd asked me, if Winnem Clark wins the US Open, would that have been upset? I would have said yes to that. I'm maybe looking back on it, I might say differently. But how did you feel that morning? Did you feel like there was an underdog in any way

going into that? Or kind of, I know your mental journeys in that part is kind of well documented of how confident you were. But internally, deep down anywhere, were you like, man, can I really win the US Open? You know what's funny is that I think part of the reason why I won that week is I never really got there mentally. Obviously, you think about it.

I had so much confidence coming off of winning at Quill Hollow. Had a back nine lead at Memorial and just didn't finish well and Victor won. And so I was playing really good golf. And so I just felt like I was in such a good mental state that I didn't really think about that. But as far as underdog, I mean, I definitely was reminded pretty much every hole and every shot

that I was the underdog, because I was playing with Ricky and for every 100 Ricky chance, there was maybe go Windham or whatever. So I was reminded that I was definitely the underdog and everyone was rooting Rory and you know there's even people as the day went on saying that I was gonna choke and or whatever it was. So I yeah I heard I heard all the things and and so I definitely felt like an underdog but you

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Restriction supply, see terms at sportsbook.fandl.com. Back to Wynton Clark. The shot on the 72nd hole, that your drive off the 72nd hole. From those who are watching at home, a lot of people were expecting that ball to be way off the planet. Take us to that to that spot. The pro tracer was showing a big old fade to the right. I think it was back into the sun. I don't know how well you saw it, but take us to that shot. And after

you hit, were you expecting that ball to be in the fairway? Well, OK, so I've seen the shot tracer since and I think we actually talked to some people and they go, well, basically you're on the farthest right side of the tee box and the camera is over here. And so the angles a little bit off and they go that sometimes happens where it accentuates the amount of cut. It did cut a lot. I didn't see it because of the sun and that's always tough. I was trying to hit a big cut. I was trying to hit minimum. You were trying to hit a big cut? No, no way. You don't believe it.

Yeah, I was trying to hit a big cut. So it was trying to go between minimum 20 yards. You know, the hole before I hit one of the best drives of my career under the circumstances just laced a tight little fade on 17. Tough tee shot. And obviously you could set up and try to do that shot, but I didn't want to aim anywhere near the right hazard. Because I thought as long as I don't hit that hazard, even if I hit it left, I can chip it up short of the green and have a chance to get up and down when the US Open. So I hit the shot, I don't see it. I turn, John, my caddy is like, I didn't see it either.

And then Ricky Romano, Ricky's caddy, he's like, Oh, I think it's in the it's on this flag, which was he goes, Oh, it should be fairway. And I was like, Okay, good. You know, like everyone was a little concerned. And even some of the people started pointing right. And Ricky was like, No, it's it's I think it's fairway and we get up there and it's 1015 yards within the cut line. So I think there was just a combination. Yes, it cut a lot. But I also think the shot tracer

made it seem like, oh no, this might be going in the hazard. Have you always been like hit big slinging cuts like that? Kind of take me into your off the tee philosophy. I mean, you're one of the longest guys out there. Do you have more in the tank? If you were playing less of a cut, I'm kind of curious how you came up with your off the tee strategy.

Yeah, I would for sure. I think I have more in the tank. It would spend less. When I'm really swinging good, it's a pretty minimal cut to be honest. You know, it's more like a five to 15 yards and that's when I'm kind of maximizing my distance with a cut. But as I've kind of progressed in my game, owning my own swing, I've gotten to where under pressure, I want it to only go one way. And so I'll start at way left and cut it back into the fairway. Or if you know you can miss right or whatever it is,

I make sure I'm cutting it. So do I ever want to hit 40, 50 yard cuts? No, that's not the shot I necessarily like. Fortunately that fairway was really big. And I think if it wasn't so wide, I would have hit a different shot. But yeah, I mean, I try to cut it. It's amazing. Now on tour, I think a majority of the players out there are cutting the golf ball off the tee just because it's so much easier with the drivers

these days to hit a cut. It almost, it's almost like the drivers set up for cuts now. So I would love to borrow some of that. I've only seen it go right to left for like two years now, and I can't fit it. Well, I will say, I'm like, I'm a cutter, but I wish I had more draw in my game too, so. We could merge and be a heck of a driver of the golf ball. Are there any places in particular that you potentially find limiting on tour

with your left to right shot shape? Any courses that stick out to say, ah, there's some trees down the left that force my eyes a different way, or kind of more shots that encourage right to left? None, there's some trees down the left that force my eyes a different way, or kind of more shots that encourage right to left. Nothing's coming to mind off the top of my head, but I'm curious what your reaction is.

Yeah, you know what's funny is everyone always thinks Augusto, you have to hook it or hit a big draw. So you really don't. I mean, there's a few holes that helps. But I have the ability, and I've worked on it. I can hit it very straight and even sometimes draw it, maybe not with driver, but I really have learned to draw it with a three-wood, So that helps. I'm trying to think of another

golf course, you know, one that I won at actually, there's some holes that it really helps at Quay Hollow. You know, you look at the second hole, it really helps to draw it. It's nice to maybe draw it on the third hole. It's great on, I mean, a handful of holes, the 11th hole, the 10th hole. So there are some courses that I, we know when I get there, it's, it's all automatically a little uncomfortable for me. And so, but we prepare for that. We work on the range to make sure we're really neutral that week so that I have the ability to try to hit it a lot straighter and we're not as cut by us.

You know, Hilton head is one, but I don't, you know, I finished third day this year. So I feel like my game can travel. It's just a matter of where it's at, you know, in that week. If it's, if I'm playing good, I feel like I can play anywhere. Yeah, that's where I was, I was, you know, riding your heart in the, in this past winter into spring was just because Bay Hill, you know, it was tough, tough golf course, but I mean, TPC Sawgrass, if you can get around that golf course, like it's some playing some pretty serious golf, right? I mean, TPC sawgrass, if you can get around that golf course, like it's some play in some pretty serious golf, right? I mean, that's it kind of if you had to point in any results that have been especially validating outside of your your wins or

courses you've played well on what what comes to mind? I mean, the first two days, I have not played well at Bay Hill or players traditionally, you know, just making the cut there is in the past has been a win for me, the courses just haven't felt that great and win for me. The courses just haven't felt that great and comfortable for me. And to finish second to Bay Hill and the players and specifically the first two rounds

at the players price of the best golf I've played maybe ever other than at Coel Hollow, I played four amazing rounds there. I mean, I was 14 under through two rounds and just really had so much control of the golf ball and was making putts and the up and downs you need. And that really was amazing golf. And then, you know, and then I, you know, little things, you know, I try to look at all the great things that you do mentally in a round. I played amazing the first round at Harbor Town, RBC.

And I played really good, but didn't make any putts and ended up shooting like one under and was way behind. And I remember going back to the place, was so pissed off and like, why am I not scoring? And it was just after missing the cut at the Masters. And it was kind of a turning point in the year a little bit. And I just focused on playing the next day and trying to be my best that day and I shot

five under and then the next round five under and then the next round a little bit better and almost had a chance to win the tournament. So little things like that where people don't know the behind story or that you maybe struggled at courses certain times and when you break through and play something, sometimes finishing fifth at a course, you never play good. That's, that's a win, right? Because there really are courses that fit your game better than others. And we see that all the time, certain guys

win at certain places. And so when you play good at a course that you traditionally don't play good at, that's when you're really playing the best and you're mentally the best. You got to do a lot of really fricking cool stuff over the last couple of years. We haven't even, you know, we're 40 minutes into this and haven't talked about you were an Olympian. You played in the Olympics this past year in Paris. How did that experience kind of go for you compared to what you expectations you

had going into it? It was the greatest experience I probably ever had in sports. You know, I obviously winning the US Open is the biggest accomplishment I've had and it was amazing. But to experience the Olympics as an Olympian, I mean, not many people get to say they do that. And that's just that's kind of the pinnacle of sports is the Olympics and going to all the events I got to go to playing in it. And there's so many fans there and the atmosphere, there's just something about the Olympics that is just so much greater than everything else. So it was the best experience I've ever had, obviously very frustrated with my first round and I was playing good golf or at least in the practice rounds.

I just was literally five over through four holes and then fought my way back to shoot, you know, even or one over or whatever I shot. Take away those first four holes, you know, and I play them even par. That's four or five shots. I mean, I might have had a chance to be on the podium. So, you know, I had a great week and I was really proud of my comeback and it was an amazing experience. If you, if you had to choose between one of these two options, you only get to play in one more rider cup or one more Olympics, which one would you choose between the two? You said it was the greatest experience ever.

So I'm going to put you to the test on that one. Yeah. I mean, I'd probably say the Olympics. It was, which I think is, is, is a view that not a lot of people in golf held as of 2016 when this started, right? It just seems like this thing is gaining more and more momentum. Did you have big expectations for what the week was going to be like prior to it or how much it was, you know, were you tracking standings going into it and knowing what you needed to do to

get into that top four on the US side? Definitely was tracking the standings. That was really important to me. You know, I wanted to make it. But I do think, you know, 2016 was the first one and it was in a country that's not that big into golf. So I don't know if it was, you know, everyone said it was great, but it didn't quite have the traction. And then obviously you go to Japan where it would have been amazing, but it was COVID. So then it didn't really feel that maybe big for the players there. And then this one, I think everyone realized,

wow, this is a major. There was 30 plus thousand every day. It was really important to everybody. And there's nothing like, you know, wearing the red, white and blue and representing your country, especially at that level. So it, I prepared hard for it. I wanted to, you know, I wanted to try to win a medal. You know, I want to make multiple teams going forward. I mean, it's, it really is the coolest thing. So it's, it's, I think it's

becoming really big in golf and, you know, you talk, I remember talking with Rory about it. He's like, this is, this is one of our biggest events and it needs to be advertised that way because it felt like that in France. And I'm hoping it continues to feel like that and all the other ones because it felt like a major and you had the best players all fighting at the end. Trying to get one of those medals, which is pretty cool. Hypothetical for the Olympics, would you, let's say you are in second place, one shot behind playing the final hole of the tournament,

would the fact that there are three medals available at the Olympics make you potentially play that hole differently than if it was a major championship? Because I found, I forget what the exact scenario was, but I know Tommy needed to make some kind of save on eight, or the way he played the 18th hole was consistent with like trying to win a medal, which like I'm not hating on that at all. I think I would think the answer would be yes, because it is a different kind of event

than what you guys typically play. Yeah, I mean, just look at a normal major tour event. If you finish fourth, there's obviously a lot of points, money, world ranking points, all the things that happens. So yeah, you're also concerned about, hey, you know, the difference between fourth and third in a regular event. Yeah, it's one place and it's great and whatever. But to risk losing that fourth place and going to ninth or 10th is so big in our sport. But at the Olympics,

it really is, it's either first, second or third and almost everything else doesn't really, not that it doesn't matter, but it you're just going for those three. So yeah, a hundred percent. I mean, if I was in fourth place and let's say those guys were already finished and there was a chance, if I birdied the last hole or eagled it, I would have a chance to medal. I mean, I wasn't hitting driver on that hole. I would have hit driver to try to get up there. Do I have a wedge in so that I could try to hold out the shot or give myself the best chance of birdie?

And if I didn't, at least I went down swinging. That's the easy one. My question was if you're in second place, is it worth risking going for the gold? You know what I mean? Would you approach it differently in that spot? I don't know. My question was if you're in second place, is it worth risking going for the gold? Would you approach it differently in that spot? I don't know. I think you play the hole and hope you make a putt, is my opinion.

Especially that hole, that was a really tough hole, the 18th at LaNational. I would have probably done what I did all week, which was hit a two iron or three wood in play and leave myself that nine to seven iron in, hit a conservative shot to hopefully, I mean, hopefully you stoned it, but the pin was tough, hit it to 25 feet and just say, you know what, I have a 25 footer to try to, you know, 100% solidify a silver medal, but potentially get into that gold. I mean, getting on the podium is winning. That's what I'm saying. Exactly, yeah.

Finishing first, second, third is winning. Yes, gold is amazing, but there's so many people that they win a bronze and that lasts forever. And no one goes, oh wow, well you didn't win gold or silver. They're like, that's, you were top three in the world in your thing at that moment, which is so amazing. So which like that sentiment I almost feel like should be for a sport where you win so infrequently. It should be more

recognized in sports. I think there you know people were doing kind of the the analysis of it afterwards. It was like if there were podiums and majors, Jack Nichols would have 57 of them right and like don't you you would view some careers a lot differently if you looked at top threes and said golf kind of just becomes this, did you win this thing or did you not? And it's kind of, it's just kind of crazy in a sport that it's so unlikely that you're going to actually go out and win. Oh, I know. I mean, that's the one unfortunate thing about the golf and the Olympics is we have 60, 70 guys playing for three spots versus, you know, you go to swimming and there's 12 guys or

20 guys, 20 guys, and then they qualify, and then there's only eight guys that race that are going for three spots versus we have 60, taking it up, it's very unlikely that you're gonna win. So to have a chance is like, potentially once in a lifetime. My memory might be fuzzy on this,

but just in preparing for this, I came to the conclusion, you haven't made many headlines in terms of, in the midst of all of this PGA Tour, PIF, LIV stuff over the course of several years. What are you hoping happens at the end of all this? What is your hope sitting here right now today? I would say I just want what's best for golf, to be honest. I think that's kind of where everyone's narrative is going now, where, you know, we,

I think fracture golf obviously isn't good for the game of golf. And I would just, I just want what's best. I think golf, I love golf so much. And I think it is growing in every category, you know, people consuming golf, people starting golf, you know, obviously top golf helped with that. But now you're seeing the putt shacks and whatever that are indoors, you're seeing all these simulator golf things. You're seeing night golf at par three courses, you're seeing, you know, people buying more

clubs consuming golf, the clothes are getting cooler, all, everything is growing in the game of golf. And I think having a fractured professional level of it, I think hurts it a little bit because we want people to now look at the highest level and be like, we're watching the best players play and it's so cool and amazing. So to answer your question fully,

I just hope that eventually we have all the best players playing together and that it works out to where it's mutually beneficial for everyone that's involved in it. And so I just want the best thing for golf. Do you hold, I guess, is it difficult for you at all to think about live, like in a hypothetical, again, a lot of people will say these players don't want to come back and put on the PGA tour, but in this scenario, if people wanted to come back to the PGA tour and play, is that difficult for you to swallow at all? Or are you at the point

now to say like, you know, bygones be bygones, let's do the best thing for the game moving forward? I don't know. I think it depends on who it is. That is very true too. I think guys that have had the career where they should be lifelong PGA Tour players, I think they deserve the right to be able to come play the PGA Tour. I think guys that maybe left and didn't have that pedigree and career.

And I don't know if, I think those are the guys that I'd struggle with because they made their decision, right? So they chose to go play there, take the money. And I think that's what a lot of us wrestle with. Sure. You know, if Dustin Johnson wants to come back and Phil Mickelson and guys that have won and Brooks and who have won majors and are most likely Hall of Famers, they deserve to play wherever the hell they want because they're so good. But there's just other guys that I think that's where we struggle with because then we look at it going, man, we, a lot of us had a chance to take the money. the money. And if we a hundred percent knew we could take the money and come back,

then we'd all would have done that because we all would have been way richer. And then you come back and actually play at the highest level. So it's, it's a tough question, but at the end of the day, I really try to just concern myself with what I can control. And if I'm playing my best golf, regardless of what happens, I'm going to have a place to play and that's all I care about because I just I love the game and I want to try to be the best I can be. Does it matter to you if any of any of those guys were among the

11 that sued the PGA tour when they left? Has that caused any bitterness on your end? Yeah, sure. That's totally reasonable. You know, you're at your answer very shyly, but I would say 100%. That's something that I think frustrated a lot of us is, I mean, the PGA tour gave everyone a platform to play and to create who these people were to give them an unbelievable living and lifestyle.

And then to turn around and sue them, I just think is maybe not the right thing, regardless if they were in the wrong or not. I just don't think, because at the end of the day, you're not suing like PJ Tour as just the, you know, the executives, you're also suing the players. And that's what I think is really was frustrating for us, seeing friends and guys that we were close with turning around and suing us and going, hey, you're actually now affecting us. Like, it's one thing if you just sue one specific guy or the executives of the PGA Tour.

Yeah, I don't think that would bother us that much. But when you sue the whole of the PGA Tour, that starts taking money out of our purses. That starts affecting our future in the PGA Tour. I think it's interesting, too, though, if you flip it around. I agree with pretty much everything, entirely what you said there actually. But if you flip it around, you have been one of the great benefactors on the PGA tour side in terms of winning two signature events, obviously increased

purses of the mate. Like if I'm looking at you've made $26 million on course, I think 20 has come in the last two seasons. Has that changed your life at all? You know, that's a bit of a bump. Yeah, 100%. I mean, so it is amazing when it initially happened, obviously. We all had mixed feelings. But we've all benefited from it. I mean, you know, regardless of the hostility or the grudges

maybe people have with guys leaving or whatever happened. It has made us all a lot wealthier and we're playing for bigger purses. So there's also a lot of stuff that we benefit from. So it is tough. That's why I think that's why everyone now has changed their narrative a little bit and said, you know what, we just want where things are now, we just want to continue to grow that, but just do that with the best players and and however that look. I mean, I really don't know how that's going to look, but

we've all benefited from it. I mean, it's starting to get courses where I think they should be based on how much the tournaments are making off of us, et cetera. So I think, yes, I benefited so much from it. It's changed my life. You know, if I had the same years that I've had these last two years, I mean, it'd be half the amount of money, maybe even a third of the amount of money. So I do think it is a bit short term, the benefits you've you've reaped the benefits greatly there. I think for the health

of the game, I would I would struggle to picture it going the way that's currently going forever. Right. I just don't. I have a lot of that's a, we could talk a whole nother hour probably on that part. I think. And, but it's, it's going to be very interesting. I, I enjoy asking pretty much everyone about it because everyone's got an interesting perspective and it's, it's your guys careers and livelihoods at stake. But at the same time, we try to be the voice of the fan here to say like the people are ready to see some, some change getting, getting everyone back together and playing golf and, and, uh, see the game thrive at the time. Yeah. I mean, the funny thing is getting everyone back together.

It really is like five to six players though. I mean, if you really boil it down, maybe, maybe eight or nine, but like, it's not like you're taking 30 of their players and saying, oh, we miss, I'm not going to say name names, but it's not like certain people go, oh, I really missed this player. There's only PGA Tour. It really is just kind of the household names that everyone knows that were majors.

So I guess if you look at it as a PGA Tour player, it's like, well, it's probably realistically seven to eight guys are going to come back and play. And those are the guys that typically are playing in the majors. And that's when everyone is excited because we're all playing against each other. So at the end of the day, it's not that big of a deal.

Yeah, from a fan's perspective, those guys can be important though, right? I mean, in terms of interest, you're right, the likelihood of some interesting storylines developing throughout the course of the week, I think. We didn't know how good we had it in 2021. We were spoiled, I think. Yeah, 100%. So golf's got some downtime now in the fall. How are you going to be spending that fall? What's your life like off the course? I hear

you're a little bit of a foodie, I think, as well. We don't know a whole heck of a lot about, I mean, you were in Netflix, we saw a little bit of it, but what's life like off the course for you? Yeah, you know, Netflix, they kind of showed the golf stuff. They didn't show a ton of the off the course stuff. So, you know, I love to be in the gym a ton. So I'll be spending a lot of time doing that. I'll get some time away from golf. I will be fishing, I'll be traveling. You mentioned I'm a foodie. I love tacos, I love sushi, I love to travel and try the best foods in the countries I travel to. You know, and with that, you know, I've become quite a bourbon connoisseur. So I really enjoy bourbon. And so there's a lot of things I'll be enjoying this off season.

Well, yeah, we've been doing ad reads for Bladenbo all year long with your name in them, because we know you're a big Bladenbo enthusiast and supporter of it and cocktail drinker, I believe, as well with them. Yeah, you know, it's really, really neat for me that, you know, I've been growing up in Colorado, you spend a lot of time out in the woods fishing, whether that's hunting or skiing. And it's always nice to have some bourbon there. And so getting involved with Blade and Bow just seems like a perfect organic relationship. And so I love Blade and Bow.

I have grown to drink it many different ways. I do it on the rocks, I do it neat. They also came up with this Kentucky caddy, which is unbelievable for the summer. So I drink it sometimes even on the golf course. So I've really enjoyed my relationship with them and how that's worked out. And the great benefit is I get a bunch of bourbon

and so I don't have to pay for bourbon anymore. So that's pretty nice. I'm right there with you. These nice big, beautiful bottles. They're fantastic product. I greatly agree. It's maybe a little early in the day to fully go down that route, but we, you know what? It's Friday. I'm ready to start my weekend. Yeah, perfect. Well, let's cheers to that. Oh, cheers to that. Thanks so much for your time, Wyndham. Best of luck next season. I'm sure we'll look forward to it. We got to do this again sometime. This was absolutely great.

And yeah, best of luck next season. Yeah, thank you. I appreciate you having me on and would love to do it again. Cheers. Be the right club. Be the right club today. That's better than most. How about in?

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