No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 360: Max Homa recaps Puntacana, plus we build an 18 hole composite PGA Tour course

Episode Date: September 28, 2020

A slow week in golf means a two hour episode. Max Homa joins us to talk about the Corales Puntacana, his fall, the U.S. Open conditions, the Payne's Valley Cup, and a lot more. On the back half, Soly, D.J., and Max create a "composite" PGA Tour course, going through the best first hole, best second hole, best third, all the way through the 18th. Some holes you would expect to see on there, and some that you might not. This was maybe too much fun.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most! Ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the No Laying Up podcast. Sully here joined by DJ Pye here in the Kill House. Hello Sully, thrilled to be here. And you know we wanted to mix it up a little bit tonight's episode.

We, you know, we're gonna have a little fun on the back half of this. We're gonna make a composite course of the best 18 holes, best first hole, best second hole out on the PGA tour. And what better way to do that than with the PGA tour player on the phone calling. He's actually a professional podcaster, if you will. Max Homo is joining us. Hello, Max. Hey, guys.

I guess it just depends the day of the week, whether I'm a professional or a professional golfer or podcaster, hardly a professional podcaster. And I'm definitely not a good composite golf course maker, but we'll give it a whirl. I was going to say, the last person we should be asking is a PJ tour player. It's going to be a rate of all the center line buffers. It's going to, you know, it's going to be dead straight 490 yard par fours. But that's exactly why we have them on. That's exactly why.

Let's make it soft, guys. I would ever course is soft. That, you know, that's where I'm thinking. Well, Max, plug your ears for this next part. Um, I'm talking only to DJ and the listeners here, but something that always has impressed me about tour players is how their games travel. I mean, yeah, seriously, they do that on the week. It's an unneeded thing. You're not a part of this part, Gags, alright? You're not going to want to be, trust me. They can hit all the shots on all kinds of grasses,

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And you know that's a good endorsement because nobody gets more tweaked out by different grass types than me. I know, that's huge. Dude, watching them hit those shots today on the Bermuda and all the short grass that was around the green and stuff, Max, help me with this, okay?

Or just tell me, do you agree or disagree with this? There's too much long grass around the greens on the PGA tour. Oh yeah, yeah. I like, could not. I think I got the idea from you guys, but that I think is, if I had to pick one thing I would change, that would be it. I don't know a lot about architecture like you guys do, but I do know that the most interesting shots

come from elevated greens with a lot of options as far as bump and run, putt, hit a sick little spinner in there. It does not come from hitting your 18th kind of chop, cut, mini flop shot. I just don't find, I think it's a great shot to have, but it's not nearly as interesting I feel like. So I got that from you, man. And I think that around Punta Kona,

I actually think that that is something that is available. Now it is a bit softer, but it's a cool kind of aspect to a golf course that otherwise doesn't have a whole lot of spark to it. Well, how would that change things? How would short grass around a green change the way you would maybe handle an approach shot? I guess, yeah, what does the long grass do? And I guess do you feel a little bit of extra comfort when there's long grass around a green?

Well, yeah, I mean, you could, gosh, you could go back so many different ways. I'll start with just obviously the approach shot. As you reference the most, I think is that if you do get a, if you're in between a flyer and a, you know, a shot that might come out dead, if the pin's not tucked on the back edge and it doesn't run back to front,

like you could just say, hey, let's take one that definitely gets there. Goes over the green. I know we all joke about backstop or not backstop grandstanding. And all that. Shout out to the A&M. We don't all joke about it.

So I know it's a little more serious for some than others. But I will say that, you know, I don't believe in that one so much as far as like how often it happens, but you could say that the rough behind greens does that quite, quite a bit. So that's one aspect. I think the biggest aspect. So Bermuda, rough and Bermuda, fairway grass is the hardest to chip off of. If anything's ever into the grain in the fairway grass, it's just at nightmare. You could look at the

Charles Schwab this year. The first one we all came back to, a lot of us, after the quarantine, a lot of us hadn't, you know, necessarily been chipping off Bermuda and we get there and it was definitely the hardest Bermuda I've ever been on in my life and it feels like you're relearning how to chip. And then in the rough obviously any Bermuda is difficult. Now, so that might be one kind of outlier. The next hardest thing to chip off of is kind of nothing. Like it's all pretty easy. You have your overseas out here at Arizona

where it feels like you're chipping off your carpet in your house unless you have a modern house and you have tile everywhere. But it feels like you're chipping off your grandmother's carpet. And it's not too hard. You get the club under the ball, you spin it, whether you can do that with a 60 or 56, you can do it with anything, but you can just grab your 60 and go. Our other complaint about golf course is that they're too soft, right? Well, if it's really soft around the greens, if it's fairway grass, it's really hard to chip off of soft tight grass. We do, fortunately, always have tight grass.

So if it's soft and we're kind of know, kind of like Boston was a good example. I know the scores or at least the winning score was insanely low, but the couple holes that did have the run offs, 12 was one of them. The, you know, they used to have a center line bunker there. Left of that green was a low area and we saw Cameron Davis, Fatted one down there. And so it was really soft and that's why the scores were low,

but if you had a lot of low areas like that with fairway grass, it would be really tricky and difficult for the professional golfer, whereas if it was rough and it's soft, it's actually kind of like a double help because yeah, the rough might be lush, but it becomes quite predictable, and then the ball lay in softer too.

So I just think it takes more skill to chip off a fairway grass, and it takes a lot of creativity. One of my favorite people you guys, well I guess trans trans aren't here, but Leesha min is like kind of the best I've seen with like a five iron around those greens. You know where you have to bump one up the hill and I can remember a shot he hit where he did that. And it's like I don't remember a single shot anyone's hit out of like a little ploppy rough lie, you know. Even the chip in that ROM had,

or the, I don't know how we would describe the quasi-chip in, I guess, that he had at the memorial, that got, you know, redacted later. But that shot was sick, but like, I don't feel like that shot was insanely hard, given how good he is, given the lie was, you know, good both times, you know, they decided both lies. We're also good.

So yeah, I just think it becomes, you look at more skill and you'll see a lot of different shots and I actually think you would learn a lot about the, or the fan would learn the intricacies of these short game shots so much more. That's just what I kind of think. I'm feeling so justified, not only in all the grass, I talk about, but me freaking out about all the different

grasses and different chip shots to hear you think the same way that I kind of think about it. These guys give me so much shit for like, talking, like, caring too much about grass types. But I totally, I got it from you, man, and I was, I mean, grass types I didn't get from you. I kind of did my own research. But the understanding like, you know,

that that would be such a, not only more entertaining, but I do think it would be more difficult. Like any week, like I said, even if it's soft, like you will get these really awkward chip shots. Like so that's where I think that's a small defense to these low scores we're getting. If you had a lot more run offs, a lot more low areas, and then a lot more fairway grass, I think that that would at least kind of separate more. Obviously not every week,

but I think that that would be a good easy... I feel like to me, again, I don't know about how the superintendents need to go about doing all that. If it was a huge project, but it feels to me, it wouldn't be crazy difficult. And then it becomes more playable for the everyday golfer. I grew up near a course called Lakeside and Lakeside used to have rough everywhere. It's a very cool golf course, it's old school, it's short, and the difficulty of the golf course

was that it was had super thick rough. But if I went out there, it wasn't particularly difficult compared to the, let's just say 10 handicap I would be playing with. They have now gone all fairway grass everywhere and it's A little easier for me just because they don't have run-offs But it is super playable for everybody else and I can't tell you how much everyone else likes it now like the common The regular golfer like the Sunday golfer. They love that place because it's not a grind and for me It's still fun because I can practice these little shots around the greens. Like I said, it's not super difficult, but you could

make it more difficult. It's an older golf course, it's shorter. And they, again, they don't have a lot of a lot of low areas. But I mean, that just seems like a pretty easy step. And then, you know, obviously, if you put it on TV, I think it'd be a little more interesting. But I mean, I got it from you, Sally. I thought that was the smartest thing because Memorial, I know the course, or a mere field, of course, you kind of grew up going to. That's the exact opposite. It's actually hard because there's rough, but it's only because every edge of every green slopes away from where you're chipping.

So it's like, you know, it's kind of the opposite. It just makes it hard to be hard. Saul is next question. Do you think Alex Norton is manipulating the world ranking? And do you think Jordan's feet should have been on the Ryder Cup team in 2018? Yeah, all right, here we go. What do you think about the little Rafa? 15, 15 of the travelers. I brought you around to my side on that one too, so.

I'm going to talk, that might be on my list of alls, but I'll lead with this. I never, as I mentioned in our group chat, our class acts group chat, I never was debating that might be on my list of alls. But I'll lead with this. I never, as I mentioned in our group chat, our class acts group chat, I never was debating you. I was just trying to present a different opinion. And you looked at it like we were arguing. It's like you're side, man. Like your side, man.

I was just trying to present like the, like you know, play the devil's advocate. You're trying to help him grow. I want you to grow, man. I want you to grow man. I want your wings to spread. I'm gonna invite you to play devil's advocate right now because actually one on my list of things to talk to you about is you haven't been on in a while.

It's been like a year and a half since you've been on. I know you're a listener. I know you're firing shots at us on your podcast. I'm part of the web track. I'm competing podcast. I'm called Get a Grip. Get a grip if you I'm sure a lot of listeners of this show listen to that one, but I wanted to open up the

floor to be like, all right, what's something that you've been dying to talk to us about? We're dead wrong on. You guys are missing the boat on this one. To be, it's honestly to be quite honest. No, I don't, no, no, no, no, I'll get into it. You guys are my friends, so I can actually be an asshole. You guys bring up a lot of great points and I think where I am flawed at times

or or narrow mind is that I'm, DJ always reminds me of how you say it's an entertainment product, but when I'm out there or when we're out there, I'm seeing it as I want the best test to see who the best golfer is and what I've really come around on and things I have to kind of like recognizes, that not what people are watching for maybe some but in general

people are watching to be entertained right so but as a player you have to understand like we want the best player to win like that's the goal of every week I understand we want chaos like you want Shinnecock number whatever the seven the par three where the ball just is rolling forever and no one can make a par like I get that But I don't think that that necessarily leads to like the best golf or the best golf shot being rewarded So I think that's that's kind of the the difference that we would have you you know you guys as just you know big golf fans and then me as somebody who is competing and and and and kind of fair to me is like the first word I see or I think of.

So I would say that that's where I am wrong. Now I'm gonna get the part where you guys are wrong. And it's not super often and sometimes I'm picking at it if I do think that it's wrong, it'd be a little thing, but the stuff that drives me nuts and the reason I brought it up on our podcast last week about the US Open was I don't like when Tron is telling me that the golf course isn't firm when I'm at the golf course And we all talk about how firm it is like that drives me nuts like it makes me so mad. Oh, this course isn't hard

It's like that it may I mean the first thing my caddy Joe said who listens to you guys podcasts all the time the first thing He said that morning was is your your boys boys at NoLang up need to, here, I'll play a little fun, we're a game. Your boys at NoLang up need to get a grip. Because this is, how dare he love DJ and I into that. That's true. Fair. I thought we were very open-minded about the setup.

That's fair. So, but like as I mentioned last week, it's just like, and by the way, you should air out Randy as well. Because Randy was on that side. Yeah, I need to bring a chain. Randy saying that Charmin Soft was so, so ridiculous. So the point was, and Scott, you know, Joe Scott was tweeting out you guys saying, hey chill, like give it a day.

But we all saw the forecast. Friday was gonna be really freaking hard. Like everyone knew it was when you get a North Wind there or anywhere really, it seems like it's just gonna be more difficult. So Thursday rolls around. They did top the rough, which I didn't really love. I didn't know why they did that, but whatever, they did it. But the way that course is, there's a ton of little bowls

and they're really small. And if you're on the wrong side, you are dead. So on Thursday, they're putting those pins in those bowls as they have to. But there wasn't any wind The course was fairly soft as far as a US Open would go because of Friday Like if you let the course be US Open impossible on Thursday, which of course We all want to see that on Thursday. You would get a Friday. I had a 1.49 t time Friday

I think I was one of the last couple groups and Charles Howell and I were talking about how on like our 17 16th whole were like this is real close to being like unplayable. Now again, listen, I'm about I almost use the fair word. Like I understand that you guys don't care about fair as much as we do, but like that's where it was getting to the greens were purple. It was windy. The my ball was wobbling on a couple holes like where I had to back off putts. Like you don't there's a balance, you know? And I think that's where, again, maybe not you two are wrong, but we're Randy and Tron were wrong

because I didn't think they saw the big picture in that. And then I didn't like that even as the week went on until Sunday, which I felt like Tron was just trying to get back in good graces with the other side of the aisle was, oh, now it's firm. It's like, dude, it's been hard. Look at the scores. I feel like we forget that. It's like, dude, it's been hard. Like, it's, look at the scores. Like, I feel like we'd forget that.

That's the difference when makes. Like, that is pretty much, right? You can't push a golf course. I'm not an agronomist by any means, but you can't stress a golf course knowing that the next day the weather is going to stress it even more without you being able to control that. And I think that that's what they were looking at.

And they, look it, besides Bryson, the next best score was even. I mean, that's phenomenal. So yeah, so I appreciate you, so I say, like, leading off that podcast, basically, like, hey, how good was that round in Matt Wolfe before we start kind of going off on the course?

Because it's like we are so invested in, like, getting mad at the setups of golf courses, rightfully so, some weeks, but we're so invested in it that it's become like a habit. So we see a maybe an all time great round on Saturday followed by an all time great round by Bryce and on Sunday, and all we can talk about is that it wasn't hard enough. And it's like, I feel like we saw two of the best rounds

I've personally seen as a fan, and we forget. And I think again, it's kind of the narrow mindedness of all of us fans. Matt Wolfshoot 65, or like Holy Cow, he's just figured it out. Fairways don't matter, and blah, blah, blah, and angles, and all this stuff don't matter anymore. And he goes the next day, and he really, really struggled doing kind of the same T-shot stuff he had done the day before. So this stuff catches up. It's a four-day process. A golf tournament is four days. If it wasn't, you would have crowned JT after the first day as the winner.

And it's just like, that's just not how it works. And I think that we forget that that's also how, you know, the USGA had to set up that golf course. And I didn't mind them doing it on Thursday, how they did, just because I knew as everyone saw what it was about to be the following three days. So was it perfect? No, but I mean, that's golf for you.

It's played outside. You can't control every little, every little golf for you. It's played outside. You can't control every little factor of it. First of all, total vindication. We've got the Richard Nixon, we're going to cut this. We're going to cut this. Just, yeah, I mean, listen, couldn't have said it better

myself, even though we did many, many, many times over the course of that week. But a couple of things where I will kind of sympathize with Toronto Randy is, I think some of it is just a symptom of the week to week golf that you see and like how boring it can be, week to week on the PJ tour and blah, blah, blah, you know, you see all these kind of like to quote you and quoting Randy, Sharman, Soft, Set-ups, week to week,

and then you have someone saying finally like, oh my God, this week it's gonna be out of control. It's gonna be out of control. Like I get why people's expectations were a little too high, but as we mentioned on the pod, I think a bunch of times too, like the USJ is never gonna do that on purpose. Like that's only gonna happen when the win shifts mid-day and they just get caught with their pants down.

That's the only time that happens. And I think a lot of, you know, talking heads, we're talking about how hard it was gonna be. But if you like, listen to the USGA leading up and what they've been saying over the last couple years, like they were doing everything they're powered to avoid this chaos that apparently was promised to us. The only thing I'll say to that is, you know,

when you're selling hoodies about like the toughest test and golf, it missly, like you said on the pod, like was it still the toughest test and golf? Yes, it was. Was it carnage? Like no. And so that's, I think the disconnect. It doesn't say carn said on the pod, like was it still the toughest test and golf? Yes, it was. Was it carnage? Like no. And so that's, I think, the disconnect. It doesn't say carnage on the shirts though.

It doesn't, and that's very, but that's what they're kind of implying. So anyways. I think that's the difficult balance though, because again, like they still want the best winner, the best player to come out as the winner, which we obviously got, Bryson Prove, that he had played that week the best.

There were some pins you could have really pushed. We played a couple in the practice round. 18 green is pretty insane. I'm not sure if they've changed it from 06, but there's a front left pin that's nuts, there's a back left pin that's nuts, and they end up playing all four pins kind of in that middle right bowl.

And now does it make it easy to make par? No, not really, but it does kind of take a lot of your double bogey out of play, because even if you miss the fairway, if you can hack it around the green, the third shot isn't hard to get within, let's just say 20 feet. So it's still a difficult hole,

but they could have made it like, you put that pin front left, you miss that fairway, and all of a sudden, even if you hit the fairway, you're all of a sudden thinking like, how the hell do I make par so they could have done that and to make it you know carnage as you say and again as a fan like I try to see both sides like I would have loved to see carnage but if you put a camera on my group which two of the players made the cut on Friday afternoon really should call him made zero birdies on Friday and made the cut

Charles Howell didn't make a birdie till the last hole and it was an eagle on nine, which played straight downwind. And we had very short irons and I made two birdies that whole day and I know I didn't play well, but I'm just saying out of that grip, we had two guys make the cut and we had three holes under par for 18 holes. Real made one birdie the day before. So it's just like you're seeing carnage. It's just not as readily available, I guess, to the coverage. Shane had this phenomenal idea on the pod last week too.

Do a one to two minute montage of bad golf shots or shots from difficult spots that don't go, as you see, the leaders, you know, as the leaders seem to pull off, like show the ones that don't. And I think that's actually a really good idea because I think we do forget that we did see carnage. It's just not the carnage of a ball just never,

you know, it just didn't stop rolling. I also thought that, you know, there were a couple times on the coverage where, you know, Azinger or somebody would, that's a great shot. And then they cut away. And the ball was literally still rolling. Guys, like let's show the people how hard this damn golf course is. I can't listen to DeTron and Envang anymore. Like I need you to show them what's happening, you know? So that's that's my take. I mean, again, I would of course Carnage would be hilarious and fun or whatever, but I mean, gosh, even part was the second best score.

And it was on the heels of one of the better rounds of golf I've ever seen in my life on that Saturday, 65 by Wolf. But also going with NBC who's used to covering golf, their formula is when somebody starts playing bad to drop them from coverage. And this is a different tournament. And sorry, DJ, you were going to say something. Well, I was just going to ask, when you're watching on Friday, I mean, I know you're, I know you're obviously excited and it's a US Open and you're, you're a professional golfer. And of course, you're, you're thrilled to like go get it. But when you're watching on Friday,

I mean, is there like a tinge of anxiety of what, you know, especially like not playing great Thursday? Like what's it feel like watching and getting ready for your T-Time on Friday? Yeah, I mean, I guess for me in this particular week, or that particular week, it was good because I played so bad Thursday that it showed that if I shot three under Friday, like I would legitimately be in the golf tournament.

So you kind of have a little spark, whereas as you mentioned, each like the week to week golf is so easy that if you shoot four over one day, you just have yourself a day, I mean, what do you do? Like to get back in the golf tournament, you have to, I don't even know if you could play well enough

to get yourself back in it. So I think that's the optimism side of that coin, but yeah, in general, when you see that and you're like in a decent spot, I mean, I did it last year, I think at the PGA, I played pretty well the first dash even. And the second day, I'm seeing the scores or seeing how people are starting.

I'm like, holy hell, this is a nightmare. And you're just kind of freaking out because you go from your little 30th place and just getting ejected out of the golf tournament. And like that does kind of spark some anxiety and you try, that's where there's a balance I think that doesn't, I feel like a lot of pros don't talk quite a bit enough about it. Just in regards to watching the golf, watching the scores and how that plays a toll, like how you have to balance watching to learn and how you have to balance watching to learn, and how you have to balance watching, or not watching to avoid that kind of negative outlook

of how hard the day's gonna be. Because you wanna go out there and think, if I play a great round of golf, I can tear this place up relative to the average bird. But yeah, it's typically, it's not awesome. When you flip on the coverage, you need to shoot 300 and you see that, like, the best score of the day has been one under.

It's like, yeah, and I, you know, I gotta believe myself, but I did just shoot eight over yesterday. So. I want to talk to you some here about your calendar here in a second, but first, I want to inform the listeners that they need to mark their calendars as we go to celebrate Elijah Craig's old fashioned week. Great segue. May have mistakenly said. I also have nominal segue. You don't do live ads on your podcast. You don't know how to

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So I feel like you bogie the first there, but you really brought it home nicely. Listen, he needed to shoot three under, and he gave himself back at it. A lot of great rounds start with bogies, right? Yeah, I mean, it's a phenomenal, phenomenal save after a tremendous segue. Well, can you talk to me a little bit about this fall schedule?

How you put a schedule together, how, you know, something like Hudson Swatford, who's been battling for status the last couple of years now, is exempt through 2023. And kind of, are you ready for a break after how crazy out this whole year was and how you're going about setting up your, your fall calendar? Yeah, you know, a break sounds lovely. Unfortunately, I found out that there's, you know, like 50 something tournaments this year. But did you get the FOMO of like,

now there's all these tournaments I need to play them? Yeah, a little bit, you know, I've been obviously not playing great and I wanted to go to Sanders and Farms next week because I actually like the golf course quite a bit. And I think it suits me. But my caddy Joe, who, you know Joe who you know we I do believe our team and we I don't really make a lot of decisions without conferring with him first he just said go home practice like let's take your couple weeks now for me this schedule is interesting because I think I'm just going to miss out on both

the Zozo and the CJ so I don't think I'm going to play a lot this fall unfortunately. on both the Zozo and the CJ. So I don't think I'm gonna play a lot this fall, unfortunately. It's good and bad. I need to get my game a little bit more locked in or figure out the little pieces that are off. But I think that in general, you see someone like Hudson, which who just congrats to him

because I really like Big Hut. Big Hut is a nice, it's just like, it's just like the nicest southern boy you could ever imagine. He's got the big deep boys, he's got the slow, slow southern draw. Every time you see him, you know, you're gonna catch a smile. And so like someone like him who's been battling, this is such a cool opportunity. You play an event with a full field, you play an event on a golf course that isn't, I guess, it doesn't draw like the craziest, craziest amount of like big time names, but it's a big time golf course.

It's long, even the scores, you know, weren't crazy low. But you can kind of see a guy who has immense talent, be able to shine without having to do it and maybe like the biggest arena, if that makes sense and that's no knock, it just means that you can be Hudson. Hudson has been one of the best golfers I know since we were in high school to college. I think that's the appeal of the fall season, right? Is what you're saying.

That's not a knock, but it's like here is your chance to be in shine in this arena. Yeah, it's so, I mean, dude, like, it's so difficult when you think about it, like, for anyone to just come up and look at, look at, you know, I always use this example, but Joel Damon, Joel Damon plays a big, a big time schedule, right? For the most part, Joel Damon is phenomenal golfer. I think he's top 70 in the whole world. for the most part. Joel Damon is phenomenal golfer. I think he's top 70 in the whole world. Yet like the tournaments he's competing in has all the eyeballs. Like, I'm not talking just about the field, it's just all the eyeballs. And to win that is more difficult as far as the press goes, the media goes, then it would be to win Punta Kanna. It feels like even though it is the same level of golf and it is the same rewards to same everything, it is less of a fishbowl on you

to be down there. I love watching golf. I didn't watch today. I didn't feel I wasn't as hyped for it And I don't think that's a knock on the tournament. It's just the time of year. This is right your professional Podcasts are now if you're not watching the golf and you're talking about it on a podcast. Yeah Exactly now. Have I made it is this it? Do I do I talk about how not firm enough it was? I'm like you were apologize for Tony Fina with that whole Jill Daim in a smoke screen that you were sending out there. I mean, he won. He won.

Just think, man, if you played Puerto Rico every day, every week, you'd win all the time. Yeah, exactly. Michael Bradley, and, you know, he kind of does. El Rey de Puerto Rico. Did he go back to back? He went back to back. It's a big time, you know. It's a big time accomplishment. But that's what I'm saying.

It's like winning, winning, especially after some struggles, like Hudson's had, it's difficult because you have a lot of, I'm sure a lot of self doubt. Like just as far as like am I ready for the moment, Hudson won a lot in college. Like golf, you just win so rarely. So I think that's the coolest part about this fall, like you said, Sally, is you have the opportunity

to kind of Put yourself on the map and then and then work your way into like a just a stellar stellar career that I think Hudson would have or will have The difficulty now in my opinion is there's so many freaking golf tournaments that For the player. I you know, I'm sorry. I'm just speaking for the player now not not the fan the player No, you're speaking for the fan as well. I don't know how to talk. If I was going to say for the fan, there's just a lot going. It's hard to get hype. But for the player, it's hard to map out your schedule because you need a break at some point. You just do. Like just your body. Like a yesterday,

my friends were joking with me because I was supposed to go out and meet up or go watch football or something. Like we were gonna go play golf watch football or something and I was like, guys, my body is cooked. Like I didn't take a huge break after Winkfoot. I had to do a couple things and it's just like,

I need a day just to catch up and it's just like, that's how everyone's gonna feel. So do you decide to play a lot in the fall because that's what the the analytics say or do you kind of do what you kind of think your body and mind needs and that's to play sparingly. So for me, unfortunately, I'm still on or in the winners category for this year. So I have you know, I don't I don't have to Freak out about the day and you want to do that. We get it very cool back My time man, I really did win But that's the thing is like you know, you have the Dessons and the Tigers and the Ricky's and the Rorries and the blah

You know all the all the big names is like don don't, yeah, no, not that one. I won, man, but not that. But yeah, you like, you don't feel the stress of playing like eight events in the fall this year. You know, those guys know, they're gonna get theirs and it's gonna be all good. You know, the much more common story is, I need to play a lot,

so I have the most opportunity to rack up as many FedEx cut points as I possibly can so I can, you know, keep whether it's top 125 or, you know, if you're trying to make, you know, if your thought is on the torch, or whatever your thought is, you need to like play a lot as far as the analytics go. So I think that's the difficulty for me. Like I said, if I don't get in the Zozo and the CJ Cup, which I don't think I will, I'm gonna add Houston to my schedule. If not, I probably won't play Houston,

but that's kind of the awkward part of this fall now. I do feel like, I liked when it was the fall series personally, but I get why they did it. You need to bring life to these events, but as a fan now, I liked the fall series so you could actually get a little more hyped for this Hudson thing, because it would look like it's more of a career changer than I feel like it was.

It, I mean, maybe this is just like how I see it, but right now, I don't feel like that's gonna get the same amount of attention. Yeah, I think that's totally right. And I think, from the fan side of things, I agree with everything you're saying. And I think the, the fall almost has a nice, like, pressure-free vibe to it. Yeah, that's good. Where it's like, you know, if you feel like, you know, this, this afternoon was, you know,

Hudson Swofford and Tyler McCumber and the fan you're saying. Yeah, not for the players. No, right. Yeah, yeah, for, for the fans. It's, this afternoon was, you know, Hudson Swofford and Mackenzie Hughes and Tyler McCumber. And it's like, man, I love watching those guys. Like this could be a really massive day

for one of those guys. Adam Long obviously was up there too. And it's nice to be able to kind of parachute in when you want to without having to, you know, without feeling the stress of like, you're gonna miss something if you don't tune in. It's optional viewing. It's optional viewing.

It's optional viewing. If it's Matt Jones and Charlie Hoffman and those guys, it's like, yeah, I'm good man, I'm gonna go do something else. And I think that- Off the shout out to Charlie, I'm gonna tell him that because he's got, you know, his nickname Seagull, he's got a pretty big ego I do love Charlie,

but I like, I like the one to bring up when, you know, no one really cares about you Charlie. I hope you understand this. No offense to anyone. He's made his money as your point. Yeah, we're good man, we're good. I hope you know no offense to anyone. He's made his money as your point. Yeah, we're good man. We're good. And that's what I think is interesting.

Who cares about it? Right. That's to your point Max is like, there's kind of a lot of a lot of low key under the radar kind of career, career making moments in the fall here. Like, that's what sucked me in today. Yeah, totally.

And even more so, I mean, Hudson's won and he's made a good amount of money on the PJ Tour and it's awesome to see him come back and do it again, but like Tyler McCumber hasn't won. It's like that would have been a pretty massive jump start, especially with full points and I think, you know, masters on the line and all that stuff too.

So it's, yeah, the fall is kind of interesting from that perspective. It's incredibly hard to explain to just, to anyone really like my family to, even, honestly, even to like Joe, it would be really hard to explain how difficult it is to get comfortable with the lead in any event ever because like I mentioned before, winning and golf happened so sparingly. Unless you're literally Tiger Woods, it happens so rarely even to be in the lead except

if you're Tiger Woods. So these events, like I wrap Sam Burns and Taylor Gooch are two of my, like, I'm biased, they're my friends, but they're two of my guys that I think will blow up at some point. Sam I've referred to as a lot like Dustin Johnson and they're just his raw talent and just like the speed in which he plays and just seems like he always knows what's going on.

So he plays the Safeway. Again, we're gonna call it a low anxiety event, not a ton of eyeballs. Obviously, high anxiety for him and everyone playing, but low anxiety for the fan, low anxiety from the media. It's not like the biggest deal in the world, per se. Well, he gets to go get his feet wet in that environment, plays well, doesn't quite close the deal, but plays awesome. He learns a lot without a huge repercussion. Tyler McCumber, another absolute all-star stud.

repercussion. Tyler McCumber, another absolute all-star stud. That dude gets to get his feet wet, gets to not feel like he's being scrutinized by every fan watching. He may blow up now. You know, so you get to see these guys that we will probably see for the next decade at least, maybe not dominating might be a hyperbole, but they will be your main stay names. You got to start somewhere. And that's where, as you guys said, the fall presents that opportunity. And that's why I love it. But at the same time, now that there's so many events, these big events and the scheduling even for the, you know, Dustin Johnson's of the world needs to become, it kind of gets

tricky because you want to find a break, but you also know you need to play. I mean, you have to play something. And this is one of those odd years, obviously, or the only odd year where like the masters is in the fall, or in, you know, in this part of the season. It's just like, how do you shape a schedule around that? And, and, I don't know, that's the downside, I guess, but the positives is, it's presented more opportunities for the Hudson swimmers of the world to get back to where they should be. Well, we kind of maybe have buried the lead from events we need to see more of this fall. We've been fortunate enough to be joined by somebody who was actually there in attendance

this past week at the Payne's Valley Club. Yes, yes. Absolutely. You know, where to start? I don't know if there's a question there. What was it like? You just want me to just go for it. So first of all, let me preface with this.

I think, so I was out there with my father, Big Randy. And I think he and I are going to go deep on the trap draw later this week. I think it's, there's a lot of trap draw worthy stories that we're going to get into. This is way too mainstream. This is, yeah, well, I don't know if you guys want to hear about like the skunks that it cost it as a dinner. I don't know if you want to hear about really like to, you know, there was a very quick, actually, you know what, no, that's a tease for the trap job. We're saving out for the trap job. No, so Randy and I were out there. We got to play some excellent golf. We played, uh, Pains Valley. We played

Ozark's national. We played the mountain top course at Gary Player. We had what we'll call a wide-ranging interview with Gary Player after after that where he gave me a little preview of some of the takes he was looking to debut on the telecast later that day. And we got to watch the match up close and personal. Some people might have saw some photos of us floating around as standard bears. We did not go out there to be the standard bears as was as was was widely reported by the fake news media in the note like of Twitter account. Instead we were walking up the 16th fairway in these two guys were just like talking like dressing down one of the PR guys just like yo you gotta find some people to replace this

like we're not doing this anymore. Like, I'm not carrying these things around anymore. And Rainy's like, yeah, we'll do it. Yeah, sure. Sounds good. And I didn't know that part of this. Yeah, so we, you know, we stepped in, we picked up the flag. And, you know, got nice and close to the action, try to get some sign balls.

Afterwards, JT and Rory were not having it. But, yeah, it was, it was interesting, man. I don't know if you guys, maybe we'll start with you. What was the like on TV? I mean, that's the part I missed. Max, how much did you watch? Toodownsley, it was harder. Remember, I got so lost in DJ and Randy's performance

that I was just, it's hard to focus. Hard to remember all the shots. I was so intrigued by the way. They were just like carrying themselves and also the, I don't even know what to call it, the scores. I mean, I was, I was enthralled. Well, that makes one of us because I did not know what the scores were. I was very hard to keep score of what was hard to keep track of what was going on.

So I don't know if my placards were right at any time. It was eye opening for me because it really made me realize how little the golf matters in terms of like, hell yeah, like I don't. Welcome to the party pal. Like there was absolutely no reason for me to care who won that thing. No reason.

None at all. Which made me. It's all about the LLs man. But it made me realize like what professional golf is, the, I don't know if it's history, if that's the right word, but the knowing what they're playing for, knowing that it means something, whatever that is week to week is still up for debate,

how important that is. And how poorly candidly, like how poorly that of a job is done to tell that story. Yes. And I think that a lot of that goes to the fall. And I'm not expecting the tour to roll out like some massive feature programming around these fall events, but it's like, man, you gotta do something

if people are gonna get it and care. Otherwise, why would they care? But do you know what I'm saying? It's like, I don't care if Rory beats JT at golf in that event, but if they were going head-to-head in a PJ tour golf tournament, I would care. Definitely. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, of course.

In some way, they've done a decent job of making me golf tournament. I would care. Definitely. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, of course. In some way they've done a decent job of like making me care enough about the golf in that regard. When they stripped that out, I was like, whoa, this is crazy how little I care. At the same time, they didn't make it super competitive. They didn't need it to be. That was the right vibe. The right still didn't need Dan Hicks and Paul Azinger there.

I'm sure that was a golf channel deal. They had the players mic'd up. It was super entertaining. JT is very, very, very good at these things. Rory is a bit subdued. I was a little surprised by that. But just the little jabs, the little stuff asking about Justin Rose and Tiger

and talking about shafts and all the little nerdy stuff, mixed with some fun stuff. It was just the right vibe and they seemed to kind of be hitting their stride with these things. I think that, I think your point about the golf not mattering is so important because and so key because like these events need to happen more often to kind of like balance the events that the result does matter, that the golf does matter because of course you watch I watch basketball because I care who wins

I watch I watch baseball because I care who wins I watch golf because I care who wins, but at some point if you're gonna have Even on a normal you're 40 events. I'm gonna lose some interest like it just it's just gonna happen unless I'm literally playing in the event I might lose some interest so These things all you know that they happened all throughout the quarantine, lose some interest. So these things, you know, they happened all throughout the quarantine, which I thought was awesome as far as, you know, raising money, raising awareness, raising, even just interest in the game. I thought they were great. I think that the difficulty of them is that they try so hard to make

it like a match that matters so much, like you said, because it doesn't. I don't care if you're, if you're, you know, just to, you better, for back of a lack of a better name, Tyler McCumber, like he won't care that much on a Wednesday, fun day, you know, like that's kind of the cool part about it.

So what they, they struggle with is getting the right group of guys. I've referenced this before. JT needs to be in all of these. He is the best at this. Like JT is really good at trash talking while also being like the best golfer. You know, so like that's a good balance.

Like honestly, like when I go out there, like I was, I did the thing at Olympia Fields for the Evans Scholar and you know, it's myself, Callum War or Kawa, Bryson, Shambot and Kevinnaugh. And as far as the official world golf ranking goes, it is literally named the official one. So I would necessarily be the fourth best or the worst player in that group. Now can I talk trash better than them or can I kind of like use my like you know Whit better than them sure but like at the end of the day I also can't like just trump them with my accolades

JT can do both so I feel like he is like kind of the alpha in those in those rooms now of course like if Tiger were ever literally say anything like arrogant about it like he would be the alpha But JT is the alpha when it comes like the balance of the two right? So that's why I always thought that when you have these things There's too much hype about oh, they're gonna talk so much trash It's like not everybody's like graded that um, but if you could just appreciate the golf and then appreciate these little one-off things Like you just reference about the shafts or the ball or whatever the the golf course, like you would find so much joy in that. So I think that, yeah, playing off of or downplaying the of result and and leaning into the entertainment of it of, you know, yeah, sure, not everything everyone's gonna say is gonna be hilarious, but like,

let that just go, like let people decide for themselves if they like what someone says and let it go and then watch some really good golf. But this is what happens on our Tuesdays. You know, if I'm playing a match with some guys on Tuesday, you have these little jabs here and there. Does it happen for 18 holes? No, like no one can think of that many things to say for 18 holes, but you're gonna get some fun ones

over the course of, you know, a four hour span. And I thought that's what they did the best with the Payne's Valley thing. I thought that was it like the most entertaining thing I've ever watched? No, but was it, was it maybe the most entertaining of all these like little one off exhibitions I've seen?

I think it was. I didn't watch the whole thing, but I saw the last, you know, hours, so when I really enjoyed it. The formula doesn't have to be much more complicated than what they made it. Exactly. It's so easy to me.

So yeah, just let it rip, stop trying to manipulate it. Just let everybody have fun. I thought that's what I appreciated it with one idea. It was it was like, here's your mic, here's your group. Okay, you know what I'm like, all right, well, I'm gonna go do what I do and and have my fun like I would on any other Wednesday and It was it was honestly enjoyable for me and it would then I feel like people enjoyed it too, you know Just like instead of being like all right, you know

Like something that people do like all right max. Here's seven swings roast them. It's like You know like come on guys like can I just like be me like I mean I might you know I do consider myself, you know quite myself quite good at being witty at times, but it's not like every moment presents itself to that. And I would say that as far as golf goes, I would be in the top X percent of that. So it's like, are you trying to tell me that now Rory has to be the best at golf and also be literally

the most entertaining person you've ever seen? No, but let's just go let him be himself because every time I've been around Rory has to be the best at golf and also be literally like the most entertaining person you've ever seen. No, but like let's just go let him be himself because every time I've been around Rory, I've either learned something, laughed at something, like I've had some cool reaction to something. And even if he didn't say a word to me, I would marvel at the way he played golf. So I feel like it's just, it gets a little contrived.

And I thought that this one was awesome. Like I thought that it was kind of like your perfect lazy Tuesday thing of golf. Like this is sick. You know, we have four awesome golfers. We have enough lip. You know, we have one guy, you know, Justin like kind of leading the charge in that.

It's funny, but we're not gonna like shove it down your throat. We're just gonna let you guys like enjoy yourselves and watch and if you like it, you like it, if you don't, you don't, and that's I think maybe more of the formula to make more people like it. So a couple of things. One, interesting to hear the guy who got his ass kicked in the Evan Scholars one, say the results don't matter. I think that's, we should point that out. Two, it's, you know, I think you're totally right. And I completely agree. I think that the more

of these get done, the better, just because I think there's so many people involved to do these things, both from a sponsor standpoint, TV standpoint, organizational standpoint, agent standpoint, player standpoint, PGA Tour standpoint, like golf course standpoint, all these things, there's so many people that have to be swimming in the same direction, which is where I think you get a lot of that contrivedness, where it's just, you know, you have to put together a plan, and then of course everything just gets blown out of proportion as far as like, oh, they're going to be mic'd up, so trash talk. And then the trash talk is like the thing that gets put in all the bullet point, power

point presentations, and blah, blah, blah. I think it's so much harder for all of those organizers to be like, no, no, no, it's just going to be like, chilled out, and like, just trust us, it's just gonna be like chilled out and like just trust us, it's gonna be cool. That's just not gonna happen until you have like a bunch of proofs of concept, right? And I think doing these throughout the quarantine and throughout the last few months, I think it's hopefully given a bunch more proofs

of concept in order to figure it out. To that point, I was worried after they went, you know, let them walk down the first fairway and nothing was said for like 10 seconds and I was like, oh no, they're gonna panic again. The announcers are gonna... They're gonna intervene. They they're gonna panic again. The announcers are gonna. They're gonna intervene. They're gonna pull the plug.

The announcers are gonna get way over involved. But Dej, what take me like I we saw on TV explain to me, pains value the golf course. What were you take away? Can I interject really quick? Because I like this is coming from someone who doesn't know, like you guys know so much more about golf course. And I do I thought that the and did you please explain like the pictures?

Look so so cool and then when the cameras are on from the ground level like it's so hard to tell I was it so intrigued with the golf course and then watching it It wasn't nearly as intriguing So is that like a common thing that like when you have a above ground whether it's drone or whatever pictures or video of it You can see the stuff going on with the holes, because to me when they just showed the golf, it was quite difficult to see why it would be such a cool golf course or whatever. So I think that's a very stoop observation,

and I almost think it's the opposite. Whereas when they show wing foot from the drone, it looks super boring. And then when they show it on the ground, it looks exceptional because you can see all the things that are going on. Okay, that makes sense. And I think with Payne's Valley, I think it was when you show it from the drone, it's like, holy shit, it's a big rock face.

That's unbelievable. And then when you show it on the ground, it's like, yeah, there's maybe not that much going on. The rolling hills on the greens, like I could see in the above, was I was like, that is sick for like a mini-office, but a public office is like, that's sick. And then like on the ground, I was like,

oh, okay, well, I can't resist. It's definitely, and I don't wanna, I don't know, I don't wanna overstep here because there will be many, many people who will go there and absolutely love it and think it's the coolest, most unique thing they've ever seen, and that's great. And I hope they have a really good time.

And I had a really good time when I was there. There's a ton of super, super fun shots. It kind of feels like you're playing inside of a golden team machine, which is, comes with, which is different. It's own positives and negatives, I think. I think the types of golf courses I like,

first of all, I mean, you can see the types of golf courses I like because it's right across the street at Oz of all, I mean, you can see the types of golf courses I like, because it's right across the street at Ozarks National, like the core crunch out course is outstanding, and it's so subtle and relaxing, and you feel like you're just walking in this beautiful landscape, and then you go across the street, and Ozarks National is very much like,

hey, you know, we've got 800 tons of dynamite, like, let's fucking light this thing up. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And so it's, there are two, I would say, different types of people that like different types of golf. And I think they have both golf courses for them there. It is the widest golf course I've ever seen.

I think in my whole life. And Tiger was still best in fairways, which was. I don't know if you guys saw a little spoiler for the brands in Pot. I don't know if you saw where Tiger hit his opening T-Shot. Oh, you got the ball. 700 yards left. Everybody else went to the second T.

And they were like, all right, you know, I guess we lost it, like, let's go. Randy and I were like, man, can you imagine if Babe Ruth designed a baseball stadium and then fouled off the first pitch? Like, you'd think you'd want that ball, right? Like, it's right there. Like, let's just go get it. think you'd want that ball, right? Like it's right there. Like let's just go get it.

And so we did. So yeah, so I got it in the house. So it's going to be on the auction websites here very soon. No, it's going to be an absolute heirloom for my probably golf in different grandchildren down the road. Speaking of lefties, Babe Ruth, I don't know what to go any further past than lefties. I have a serious question. Do you guys enjoy? I appreciate what Tron is doing with his new, his venture. I think that it's probably one of the most

interesting and intriguing things I've seen in a long, long time. But like as his friends, you have to play with him all the time. Do you guys like, are you guys cool with it? Because I mean, he's still shooting quite a big number. Is that totally cool with it? 100% cool with it. Because he plays fast, but like he knows. He might be off the tee before you tee off. Because he gets bad when he's like, I gotta go get, I gotta go. That's what's curious about.

That's the thing is, basically he's a beginner. He's a golf beginner with like the institutional knowledge of like a 35 year old man, you know, like he's played forever. So he knows all the etiquette, he knows to play fast, he knows when he's being a pain in the ass, which he very rarely ever is. And it's like, he knows when to be dumb with the whole thing. Yeah, he knows when to scoop it, and it's great.

And I think there's like a massive thrill, just to the idea of like, holy shit, Tron has a putt for birdie. Like this is unbelievable. It's, so that part of it's super fun. And there's no, literally no telling what is coming. Yeah, it is. He will literally, he could whiff a shot

and then hit a soft fade 260 yards of the driver on the next swing. Have you ever seen him draw it? Ah, he, yeah, yeah. He can move it right to right and left. I Do love it. I think it's one of the cool like cooler projects in a while It's you see it. It's brave. It's brave. We're gonna have some stuff this week actually that I don't know when ever you're listening to this podcast

I don't know if the trailer's gonna come out yet or not, but got a little Ryder Cup thing going on at Sweetens Cove. So people get to see Tron under the gun this week. Well, I was actually a little concerned. We wouldn't have enough to talk about this week, which is why I came up with the, let's do a PGA tour composite course and pause it as they would say in America. Yeah. I would totally say composite. I'm really glad that that's an American thing and not just like ignorant thing. Because I was hoping I was straight well. Straight from Royal Melbourne.

Royal Melbourne. The composite course. We'd like to do these when we take trips as go through each course and say, all right, the best first hole we played was at blah, blah, blah course. The best second hole we played was at this one. I thought this would be a fun kind of fall series thing

to go through the PGA Tour schedule. Not gonna lie, this tested my golf course knowledge of PGA tour courses a little, a lot. Exclusive if you will. This is a hard little exercise. And it made, I mean, I kind of always thought the PGA tour had a lot of very similar holes and flipping through them today, I was confirmed on that.

So. A lot of 475 straight, straight part of course. Yes. But we wanted to max perspective on it too. And we didn't set a rule or criteria or a, your whole can be for whatever reason. One, it's super hard and you'd love watching guys make poigies, two, it can be super easy.

It's super entertaining. It's the best test to hold. It's because this ball all happens Max. It could be because I birdie this hole every time we play. It can be anything. I don't know. I think we're gonna get a big variety list. But I just, I picked the old course for all of them.

So it's that. Well, we did say avoid the major courses just because one Augusta's gonna like sweep. And if you do choose Augusta for a whole, we asked that you have a backup replacement right here, which I lobbied for Augusta to be included because they go there. It's every year. Yeah, I get that.

But you're, that's a very good compromise. So Why don't we get right into it? We can kind of get through I mean we got 54 holes to get through with 18 times three people so we don't need it don't need to drag us and debate it too much But you can now let's just start with number one Max was your your composite PGA tour course was whole number one I'll talk this one really fast because I just want to get this out there I did a really good job making my course a par or 71. I was like very dedicated that so I hope people appreciate it. But my first whole spyglass number one par five down the left. It's a beautiful explanation of the golf course. You start in the trees and then on that exact hole you end up

looking at the ocean. I think that's really cool. And it's a pretty tricky par five. Great explanation, Dej. I mean, hard to beat the old course, right? Yes, but no, so I didn't really whittle it down to just one. I kind of just put together all the ones that I would be considering and I figured I would just talk them out loud and then I would decide on one, but I'll abandon that plan.

Thank you. I think that I'm going to go with it is not my favorite, it's not the best first golf hole. Yes, I mean, you're gonna pick. By any means, but it's the same one for, it's not the best first golf hole. Yes, I mean, you're gonna pick by any means, but it's the same one for me. It's the best setting. Yes, solid, please.

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It is always an exciting just boom to that tournament and that is the T-Shot I look forward to the most. That's such a good pick. I was picking Riviera just because it's like the best coolest teabock in the world, but that was my backup was real. Other animal mentions, I don't know if you guys want to scatter this, but I think Colonials really cool with the Part V.

I thought about that one. Maui, I actually think is really cool. Down the hill towards the ocean. Oh, I think that's a horrible hole. Really? Why do you say that? I guess I played this year when it was... I guess because I played it when it was really soft this year, but I don't know.

It's just the T-shirt. It's awkward. The T-shirt's totally awkward. Yeah, I don't mind awkward. It just didn't feel right, but I'm not saying it wasn't beautiful. I mean, hey, it was gorgeous. And then the last one I had is just maybe like the classiest classiest hole on the PJ tour, on a tour full of class. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what's the softest hole I could possibly in that?

No, no, no, it's not even that, I'm being genuine. Just a complete class, par five, double dog leg, Innisfree. Oh, good call, that's a really good call. I love that whole thing. I didn't know if you guys would like that option, because I thought about that one, because it is kind of like a, I wouldn't say it's a good hole, but it's a cool opening hole,

because a lot can happen. But it's kind of a battle, because some people hit, like I had three would off that tee, and it's literally just because they, I guess, no, I guess you, like I guess that would make sense, because it's just such a stupidly small landing area.

Right. But yeah, I don't know. I've never thought of that as like architecturally a great old but it is a cool like, hey, listen, like you can make a three and you can make a seven. Agreed. I, my, my reasoning for each whole varies. Like that number one, that's definitely not the greatest,

Chipotle Tepeca's not the greatest golf old but it's fun and entertaining. And my number two is actually, I chose Riviera. Ball Buster par four. I just think that's a cool green. I love the, basically starting with two par four and a halfs. And I thought about John Deere in this spot. Honestly, they have really cool downhill par five.

I had that on my short list. I wanted a John Deere hole, but Max, what is your hole number two? You wanted a John Dierhole. Mine is the Honda classic. The one that, um, why can I never? PJ, thank you. I always just say, say bear trap. It's really freaking hard.

Uh, I picked a lot of holes on here that I think are like challenging. So it's just a really hard hole. When's usually enough to left? The whole dog legs a little bit to the left. There's a tree off the tee There's also OB right like it just is super demanding on it very demanding golf course That's typically because there's a lot of water. I like this hole is more Right in front of you just got a you know, you got to kind of sack up and do it

I like that. I thought that is a cool one is not a very hard hole there It's more the setup one's not very hard and then two You're like holy hell. This is why everybody tells me this course is so difficult This is why we wanted a tour player on here, but we need I wouldn't I don't I can't picture that whole thing That's a sad part front nine holes don't get any coverage. It's crazy for sure Speaking of front nine holes not getting any coverage We are including a gust I'm saying.

I would say the second has to be on the list. I had a couple random ones. I feel like C Island number two is kind of cool. Wining around that pond. It's just kind of, you can hit a couple different things off the tee. I think that's kind of a cool hole. To a Y-L-I,

winds back towards the, back towards like the mountain with all those houses. To those of the very good hole, too, because if it's windy, the landing area is really, really difficult. Yeah. Two of the very good hold, too, because if it's windy, the landing area is really, really difficult. Yeah. That's that wildlife, wildlife suite.

Wildlife suite, yeah. Bay Hill, the part three down the hill, I think is kind of fun. But I think my choice is number two at Austin Country Club, which I believe is number 11 for the members, but just a really awesome, it's like such a cool stretch of the golf course over that canyon, kind of everything banks to the left. but just a really awesome, it's like such a cool stretch of the golf course

over that canyon, kind of everything banks to the left. You've got two in a row that are kind of similar shapes, but different, play really differently. It's just a really, really cool hole. And I also had John Deere, the par five. Anything to get, John Deere. I'll go with Austin Country Club. Moving to number three, again,

gotta look at a Gus Frash. No, I feel like number three is, number three is pretty good, but I'll go, I gave him a shout out on number one, but I'll go colonial. The start of the horrible horseshoe, just a fucking brutal, beautiful, far-fired.

Teach, that's mine, bro. Really? Fist bump, nice. All right. Maybe you feel like I'm throwing them a little bit of a bone here. We rip on this course a lot, put a bunch of twerpines. Twerpines, that was the other one I had of I bone here. We rip on this course a lot, put a lot of it.

Tori Pines. That was the other one I had a bit of it. Tori Pines, that golf tournament is one I feel like a lot of people really watch in bulk. You watch from first hole to the end and that always seems to be a deciding hole in some way and it's very entertaining hole to watch. So that was my number three. It's just a very entertaining place on the earth to sit. Yes.

Just watching the hang gliders going by, and I mean, it's very, very cool for the shit, or the untapped potential, I guess, the untapped potential of Tori Pines, like number three is pretty cool. Yeah. Whenever I'm at Tori, and Tori is my number four, whenever I'm at Tori and I do see these hang gliders,

I always think to myself, man, you're seven over, but these guys could literally die. And this doesn't work. So maybe stop being such an idiot and complaining about your round of golf on land. So your number four is, is three points. Four at South Course Touring Bites. It's so freaking hard.

That's really the only reason. They show you like two thirds of the fairway. And the last third is on the left, which looks like it's in the Pacific Ocean, which I don't know if people know, but Pacific Ocean is quite large. It goes all the way up to Pebble Beach, which will be on my list later, I think. And all the way to Japan. Yeah, and all the way. I mean, think about that. You're just looking at all that water. So you pretty much points you at the right bunker, and if you do hit it into the bunker, you have basically a four iron out of it.

And you know, that's obviously difficult. For those of you playing at home, four irons out of bunkers are difficult. But I also love that they have a shave down right side of that green because or right side of the right of the green because the ball will kick itself back onto it. So it's not like overly demanding, but that ball almost always kicks to the front of the green. So if the pin's not in the front, if you use that slope, you end up having a really difficult two-pot or possibly like a chip off

of the green, I think that's a cool addition to an already long and difficult hole. What do you guys got? I had Tory Pines on my list as well because I saw, oh, listen, all that stuff you said is great. I saw Spencer Levine have an epic melt down there one side, which is just like, it was the most scenic meltdown in like the history of the world.

It was just, it was truly a chef's kiss moment. I think Riviera, the long par three is really cool, but I don't know, Max, maybe you can shed some light on how that hole actually plays. It looks like it was designed to kind of run it up that runway on the right side, but then being out there this year, it looks like everybody just kind to kind of run it up that runway on the right side, but then being out there this year, it looks like everybody just kind of takes that aim at it.

It stops, the ball stops in this. Yeah, that's the problem, it looks like it, but you can't actually make it bounce this issue with the grass. So it's like, the idea of it is so great, but the actual execution of it, as far as architecture goes, is just like the grass is wrong.

If there's any other grass, I think it would work really well to do that. And then you'd have like these fun kind of like low-ish shots come in and work themselves out, but you kind of have to fly it all the way there, which kind of, which stinks as a long shot. So I wanted to pick that one, but listen, for the architectural intent,

you just can't do it. But so I'll pick TPC sawgrass. Yeah, that's where I'm going to go. There you go. I had a feeling. That's such a cool. So this really, this exercise made me appreciate some golf courses more than I maybe used to appreciate.

And like I've always said, yeah, TPC South, and that's a good course. It didn't come close to having any holes picked, I'm just gonna say. So, yeah, I did not, I don't have a wide variety of golf courses. Would I end up actually picking great golf holes from? So I did number four TPC sawgrass. Moving on to number five.

By the way, one of my favorite things about that, I feel like the cats stroke average on that hole is like 7.6. They're like, you never place that hole well. Well the green is way more interesting than it probably looks on TV. There's some really fun interesting pins. Front, like back right is really interesting. Back left is really interesting. It's the uncomfortable T-shot.

It looks like there's nowhere to hit it. Everybody seems like there's just a magnet on those like gross hills on the left where you're just hacking out of that bermuda, trying to carry the hazard. It's just, that's a great spot to sit on like a Saturday morning. I've only played there one time, shout out to COVID, and I hit in the fair when I hits a two-feet tapped in. So I do love that whole I do. Where's the pin on Thursdays?

It was back right. Oh, back right. Yeah, kind of the yeah. Yeah, it's a good pin, but it's a little easier that left one. I was looking forward to playing, but that is a good hole. I mean, it's a really tricky t-shirt like to the eye. Not that hard of a hole. Yeah, I mean, it's pretty easy for some people. My number five, I struggled with number five's a good hole. I mean, it's a really tricky tee shot, like to the eye. Not that hard of a hole.

Yeah, I mean, it's pretty easy for some people. My number five, I struggle with number five's a little bit. I did too, okay. I ended up going with Capoluah Plantation Course. Par five, I had a center line bunker in there this year. Here we go, now I get it. He fucked that hole. It's a getable little hole, but like,

again, my eyes go to the screen when guys are playing that hole. I think it's a great eagle opportunity. It's maybe too easy. It's it's par four and a half whatever you want to make it, but I always enjoyed watching the guys play that. So I blew a look. He had a lot of a lot of holes on my legs. Right. To lean into your like for par four and a half what I like about those holes in general, especially on a course like that where it is really windy and it's really difficult is it makes you feel like you have to make birdie, which I think is a mental element

that goes kind of unnoticed. Like that's an added pressure, where every time we play that hole, it was like, dude, you need to make a four here, because there's not a ton with how the wind was going, there's not a ton out there. Obviously, scores are low because it's part 73, but with the front nine,

you play a few pretty difficult holes in a row and you get to that. And it's, there's just like that added kind of value to the hole just because of where your like your mind has gone. What's your number five? Mine's RIV, Riviera number five. It seems, I think, to the eye, not a crazy intricate hole. It's a three wood or a hybrid off the tee.

It's a fairly tricky tee shot, like more so than it really looks. There's two tee boxes so you can play two kind of very different, different types of shots. One you have to feel like you really draw the other, you feel like you better not pull. And then the reason I really picked it those because does have run off long, long of the green, which as we mentioned earlier, I love.

But, and it has one short right as well, middle right. But, it's the reason I think Riviera is the best golf course in the world is you guys have been talking about a gust of national, I could have done that with Riviera, every single hole out there I think is so well done. But, you can move, if the pins on the left side of the green, you would think it's a pretty benign hole, very easy, and you move it anywhere on the right side of the grain, whether it's front, right or

back, right, and you would think it's one of the hardest holes on the course. And I think that is the definition of proper design. It makes you think and it is, it is, you can move a pin 40 feet and the golf hole changes so much. I think that is a rare occurrence and not only on the PJ tour golf courses, but just in golf in general It is it is I've never played Riviera super super firm. I may be one time I played it super firm But typically, you know, it's by the water. It's not gonna be crazy firm. It's Poana and yet You play this whole here, you know, five at rev or you're you're You're kind of at the mercy of where the golf course

is set up the pin location. I think that's awesome. Not to detract us here, Max, but I have a question for you. I say this and I've never actually asked a pro this if this is accurate or not. So feel free to bust my balls if not. But for professional golfers,

and I'm thinking of, I forget what the whole is at travelers where there's a part five now. You ask, oh. I think it's six, a part five now. You asshole. I think it's six at part five on the front that has a lot of water in front of it or to the left of it. Is that what I'm thinking of? Our travelers six six six six six. Hold on.

I do. It was a part five. It's got a big wide green and there's water left. Oh, it's start to. Yeah, 13 13. I was close with six. Kind of like Longish Middleish, Shortish, Part five. To me, it seems harder for you guys when you play that whole and the pin is on the right

away from the hazard, then it is if the pin is tucked on the left over the water. Dude, I say this all the time, there's no bailout that makes you have to take on the water. Because if the pin is on the right, your caddy, 100 times out of 100, it says we need to be, if there's no water, the caddy says, okay, you know, a step left of it. That's what Joe would say, right? Then all of a sudden, it's like, well, now I don't know where to tell you to aim because the step left of it, the water is now in play. So I'm, I say that, I don't know if everyone notices that. I'm glad you brought it up because that is a serious thing. Like you shove the pan on the opposite side of the trouble and it becomes more trouble so. Exactly. Which is I think the opposite for amateur golfers because like you're you know it even a third shot for amateur golfers getting

to a pin that's left and they're close to the water is difficult. Whereas you know you can just bail right. Yeah. Well and you know that an amateur golfer is just gonna miss it to the right and be shortsighted and just make a foggy. But it's a great question. That's fascinating. Max, this is fascinating to hear you talk about this stuff. Let me just say that. This gets me more excited for professional golf than like the

week-long tournament that we want. I want to say that like a common misunderstanding about I think a lot of professional golfers is that like I don't, again, I don't know a lot about architecture. I've learned most of it from you guys and Andy Johnson and all the, you know, Zach Blair, like just from reading. But I do think that something that's undervalued is our eye does see like good and bad holes.

I don't think we necessarily know how to explain why they're good and bad, but we do know good and bad holes. And I think that is something that's fun. Like that's why I was glad you guys asked me to do this because that's a kind of a fun aspect of this is me deciding, why do I like a hole and why do I not like a hole? Amen. Well, I'll wrap up number five quickly. No secret. I love to see pros make doubles. Number five at colonial pride. Hard to pull on the PG. I love to see pros make doubles number five at colonial pride. Hardest hole in the PJ.

God, that was hard. The Elkington story about Leach or Vino in that hole just gets me every time. Like, Chirino would hit the fairway on that one and you just walk with man, I can't believe I hit that fairway. I never hit the other two guys would still have to hit yet. That's the hardest fairway in the world to hit. Can't believe it.

Also shout out to Neil, you know. Exactly. Big shout out to Neil. Number six, I mean, I'm trying not to have a big stretch of obvious, obvious picks here from six to about 10. So I'll throw Riviera the part three out there, but it's, it's pebble for sure. Yeah, right. I had six pebble and then ribbon parentheses as my back. Yeah. That's too easy. I picked a, don don't I even wrote in here. I said I said tell solid DJ not to interrupt six because I know how much you ate this whole six-it-bay hill.

Six-it-bay hill is no that whole sweet. Oh, you do like that. I thought we had to discuss not dumb that whole was this year. I think it's awesome. I don't think it's dumb. Okay, sorry. I thought that I must have been one of my other podcast friends that's telling how dumb it is. How good was it when John Daly tried to drive the girl? Yeah, see that's it. And so I like, I don't typically like holes that just give an enormous advantage

to someone who bombs it, like, which is true there. However, I would say that someone who does bomb it there has to really, really, really be confident to take that, that like a line. I feel like they're bringing in just as much danger as I would playing, you know, 20 yards right of them. And I also love, I love long iron play. Like I love watching like a beautiful high four iron.

And I think that that's one of the few holes on tour where you see, it's not, I guess a better way to explain this, it's not coincidence that, you know, Tiger Woods has dominated that place and I've seen him hit multiple really cool shots on that hole. And I, you know, maybe it's one of those you need to be out there to see minus just the water, but that second shot is really scary and it's another one where if you lay up the third, the second shot to the third, you actually increase your angle no matter where you are in the fairway. So there's always like a little bit of thought being like, this iron has to go over the corner of the water.

Should we just lay up to a wedge so we take on no water on the third? You know, like I like that aspect of it. And I could be making this up, but aren't don't those bunkers sprawl out quite a bit. I feel like you always see a lot of like 60 yard bunker shots on that. It took a banger. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that you've got the back pain, It took a banger. Yeah. Yeah, you know what I mean? And that, that, you've got the back pain,

the greens are usually firm. It could be whipping down. And if you go over, you can pee in the water. And if you put the, if you put the camera tower in the right spot, a young gentleman with incredibly hairy arms could bank a hosel off of it and still. Oh my gosh, I forgot about that. I did not, I thought that's why you were kind of

cheekily picking it. That wasn't why, but I did, I did have to lean into it at some point. I'm gonna make a prediction. If he plays the tournament, Bryson, and maybe it's a practice round, maybe it's in the competition, I think he's gonna try to drive the game. I hope one day he's like out of the event,

and he gets it down off the right. Because it's only, I don't mean to say only, but it's only like 340 carry, I think, to the front edge straight line. He could obviously do that. If I'm in his group, I'm going to tell him he could obviously do that. You can do it. Well, sorry, we interrupt and you even told us about the video. No, it was for the positive.

Number seven, I had Pebble. Yeah, this is, I wanted to get way more creative during this stretch than I did, but I have seven pebble and no backup. Yeah, I have no backup either. Seven's one of the view like popular holes that it just doesn't minus the view. The hole just is so little to me. The thing that I love about seven at pebble

is it's one of the rare, not rare. It's the only place on the planet as far as like where my life is taking me where I feel like I'm alone in a good way. Like no one can see you unless it's the tournament, no one can see you. You're kind of in your in your own world and I think that is really, really cool. It never makes my list because I feel like it's maybe I'm being like hipster, whatever, but like it's, the whole itself playing it isn't like the most,

I don't know, intriguing thing, but where you are in life at that moment, I think it's sick. Like, you can't see six, and you can't see eight as you're walking down. Like, you can't see anything. It's, that's pretty cool. You're like in your own golf course.

I should say it only makes my list if it's blowing. Oh hell yeah. I'm happy it's seven hour out of that whole man. That's the best. Because there's not much going on with green, and bunkers or anything. But it's a beautiful man.

If you count for me. The view, the view, I had one night. I took a nighttime photo there, one time when I was working for the PJ tour, and I got out there, I don't think I really had permission to be out there, because there's a roving security guard that I kept having that just drives around

in a golf cart that I had to keep dodging. I'm ducking under bleachers and stuff, and finally ducked them enough times that they were gone, and I could set up my camera and everything, but yeah, I just laid on that tee for, I don't know, probably two hours. Yeah. Just hanging out and it is maybe the most peaceful

I've ever felt in my entire life. As you should. It's on my list. Did you have something else for seven? I just use Valero at TPC San Antonio. Really? I, to be fair, I didn't want to use seven if that will. Seven is one of the rare holes,

again, front-knighting hole that doesn't get any, I tried to make my list of holes that are difficult and that I didn't play a ton into the view, which I do think, as Sully said, it should matter. But the seventh of Valero is one of those holes that I think is designed really well. It's got a super intricate green. No one ever gets to see it, unfortunately.

It's always windy and firm there, so you see a lot of cool, like, low draws to those holes. And there's run-offs, long right, that make the chip a little bit awkward, and there's these big bunkers on the left. It's also like a double green with number two. And I just like, it's just a cool looking hole.

I also think it's a good hole design-wise. But again, I wanted to refer to at least a couple holes on this front nine that people hadn't don't see enough. So if you ever do catch it on like a PJ or live, you'll notice because it's a, I don't know. It's a really good, it's a really good part three. I want you to like, I think a very dead serious dead pan, like die on the hill that the seven of Valero's

better than seven of them. Like, technically, as a whole, it is if you put water, if you put the Pacific Ocean on seven at Valero, you think it's a much better all. You guys like seven at Pebble, I love 17 at the ATD, Oaks course. Eight, I went again, Pebble. Yeah.

Listen, V2. Rib was cool. Okay, guys, again, Pebble. Yeah, listen to V2. Rive was cool. So I thought about doing Rive. So eight's my favorite hole in the world, unequivocally. Like not PJ Tordley, that's my favorite hole on the planet. It's so good. It's the coolest second shot. It's such a weird drive.

I've never played it, but I've been there a bunch of times and walked it a bunch of times. You're driving it straight up that hill. I don't know if it plays different in the tournament or there's anything unique about how it plays in the tournament. Dude honestly nothing it's just one of those words like how how good is your caddy you know on the number on the end of that fairway and then how good are you with a seven to four iron. I mean I've hit I think almost every single one of my memorable iron shots has been if I had to list like top five to 10, I think I think five of them would come on that hole.

I absolutely love that hole. Shot's fired at Greller by the way. Oh, shoot, I didn't even think about that. Sorry, Greller, I love you man, but yeah. Speed, speed, speed kind of got a little antsy about that. I thought A to B. Hill is kind of cool too. It's very, it's very tricky little hole. Yeah, it's a very sore hole.

Yeah, it's kind of a cool little one. Nine I had, I mean, again, goes without saying, but nine in Augusta is unbelievable. Nine at the match plays really cool. Straight again. Which one's the team I think at Austin Country Club. You never see it on TV. It's downhill like a hundred feet.

Like it's unbelievable. It's like this massively stepped fairway that just goes straight downhill. It's just really, really cool. It's kind of short too. Bubba was driving it up on the front one of the years. I think so, yeah. I had nine at Hilton Head. Oh, I thought about that one.

I do like that. Hold the only issue that I have with it, dude, is like, it's not drivable. Like you can just drive it into the bunker. Yeah, you got the bunker in the front. But I have with it, dude, is like, it's not drivable. Like, you can just drive it into the bunker. Yeah, you got the bunker in the front. But I do like the whole. You can drive it to like three feet. No, just that make me not love the whole. No, like it's a sick green.

It's literally a you. But it's, if I'm going to pick a short part for this list, it felt like it was, you're going to pick like an actual drivable hole. But I think it is a cool hole. It is one of the more different types of holes in greens I've ever played. I like to stand corrected.

I'm thinking of a different hole that bubble is driving on the front of. I was gonna say I was like, you know, it's like 490. Yeah, it's really long, but it's very downhill. It is. I just want to stay corrected. Okay.

I struggled with nine. I wanted to go Capulua. I've always really enjoyed that part five. This is a lot of traction for Capulua. This is a lot of traction for Capulua. Capulua's got it, man. Capulua's sweet. I stuck with Pebble. I, I do it. I didn't do it. I didn't do it. I didn't do it. I didn't do it. I didn't do it.

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It's probably the hardest place to chip all year. So you're pretty much dead and if the pins left, the water is obviously like in play. It's just a very demanding part three. So I like that aspect of it. Is it is it the best hole ever? No, but I do think that as a ninth hole part three, it's pretty sweet. And not, you know, not for nothing. I don't think this is as the architect intended. So many gators there. Dude, yeah, between there, we always have the bet every year. How much would it cost me to pay you to swim from 18 down to like nine to eight?

18 fairly nine. It's like, there's just not enough money. Max, what's your number 10? My number 10 is Monterey Peninsula. It's kind of a nothing par five when you think about it, like again, on paper. I've played it when it's been crazy windy and you can't get there in two and it makes the third shot so amazing and it makes the second shot like very fun. It's a par five. Typically if it's not windy you can probably get a

three iron onto the green and two maybe even less. It's a huge fairway. The green has it's all bold in. The back pin especially, you know, you could do the fun kind of funnel pin, but you do need to have a, if you're going forward into, you better not leave it in the wrong spot because you can't really get to that pin. And if you go forward into being up the left is better. It's one of the holes Being up the left is better. It's one of the holes, we're with an angle, matters a lot on tour.

It does help to be on the correct side of the fairway, whether it's your second or your third. And I think that's fun. And it's also, when it is windy, it's just a, I like holes that change a lot, depending upon the weather.

And I think that hole goes from like, oh my God, this is the easiest hole ever to cheese, man. Like, I need to play this hole really, really well to get myself a good birdie look. I mentioned I had pebble. We don't need to talk about pebble anymore. But every bone of my body was resisting picking Riviera. And so Max, one of you could talk through your thoughts

on Tenet Riv. So I love Riv. Now, I get in this debate of whether I think it's a great whole or it's a great tournament hole. If that makes sense, I know that's kind of like a small difference. But when we talk about this whole entertainment product, I think it's the most entertaining hole in the world. If you're going to put it all on TV, I don't love the actual hole. I actually don't think that laying up pretty much ever is the right play. I don't think that

Shout out to Scott Fossett. I don't know if anyone's dispersion on their way Sorry, they're not really know if anyone's dispersion on their wedge is quite small enough to play that thing four times in a row and lay up and hit that green Four times in a row. So it's one of the rare holes that I enjoy just smacking a three wood at a grove of trees and just being like wherever this goes, it goes. Oh, it's a little... Yeah, it's kind of the perfect chaos hole. So I love the hole. There's not one thing I would change about it,

but it didn't make my list just because I didn't, I don't know, the way I was shaping my list, it didn't fit like how I was looking at him, but, man, I mean, it's, it's, we want short part for us to be really like have a huge fluctuation in score. And I think that is be a lot better. I think a green renovation of that could just provide a lot more options, because I really don't think there are. Do you think they should lay the flat

and the left side more? I think it's the back right part that needs flatten. I think it's gotten so much sand out of that bunker over the years, it just built up, built up, that it doesn't, if the pins back right, it's just like to your point, laying back and trying to hit a wedge in from that angle looks extremely difficult and doesn't look like you took any of the risk out. So I, I think it's overrated in terms of there's so many ways you can play this and all

about. It's not. Yeah. It's not. Yeah. One-ish way, hope to hit it there and kind of get lucky, because even as good as you guys are, you don't have that tired dispersion around your three woods to be able to hit it in the right spot

around the greens, you're kind of hoping to kind of get a little lucky. So, yeah. I also think it's one of the holes that you need to, if you are at a position, it shows you who is like the mentally most focused on the big picture, because the play is, if you're ever not left of the green, you need to pitch it to the short left of the green like you literally need to

miss the green with your second and you can see people who are like kind of obsessed with like the process as they say and I think that's cool or you can do like Harold Varron lay it up to like 270 I never I never got to see it so well max none of us. Yeah. All right, number 11, I had just two on the short list. The par five at Sawgrass is fantastic. But I went with 11 at Monter Peninsula, probably the prettiest hole on tour. God, that is a really cool.

The par three, I don't know Monter Peninsula well enough. It's just a par three. It's more the T shot, where you T off is so secure between these big old rocks. Yes. I went with 11 at TPC, and that comes from playing it. Hitting that approach shot, that second shot in, is about as good of risk reward as you can handle.

I mean, you have the world left if you want to bail. And first couple of times I played it, I think I did that, and I have never once had a shot over there. I loved that it was worth it. I'd rather lay up than hit it over there on the left. So it now becomes like, all right, if you want to, you know, take on the water, take on the bunker, try to get one to stop near this green or on this green if you want. But it's going to be difficult. But you, that's the only way to reap reward and going for it. Like the shot value in that second shot is just tremendous. And shout out to the earlier part of our conversation. That didn't use to be short grass over there

either. Yeah. Oh really? That's a way. That's a good change then. It used to be just thick ass like gnarly brimuda. Now it's it's all short grass over there. And it's just such an uncomfortable like. Yeah. He would chip it over there this year to water. The coolest shots I've seen this whole season. He'd like bumped four times through the hill and made a eagle or birdie. What's your number 11? Mine's 11, a waste management, a TPC Scottsdale. I'll lead off that it's a really, really good hole

on a otherwise, I like the golf course, but it's not like an outstanding golf course, but it's got good holes, but it's one of the few that is truly kind of like petrifying that as far as like the errors could be, you know, 15 if you hit in the water for instance, you can drop and get on the green and three, no big deal, 17, hit in the water chip on the green, make a four.

This hole you hit in the left water, and you have a five or six iron in again, like it's very demanding, but the real reason I picked it is because that's also the hub of where every single drunk person in America is hanging out. And it's one of those holes, like this year, I had a chance to win. Two years ago, I was kind of coming down the stretch

of trying to make the cut. And you're staying on that tee, and there's water for anyone who hasn't been there. There's water all down the left, and there's no rough that stops it. So it shouts to Sally. So it all just like runs straight into the water. And right is horrible.

So I'm walking up to that tee and you know, you're nervous and you got these drunk guys who are all trying to get into 16 because 16 is just left of that tea. And you can also hear the, you have to time the roars from 16 or the booze and you're trying to hit the heart. I think the hardest t-shot of the day. And you also have these drunk guys, I mean, I had a drunk guy yell at me, he's like, Hey, doors water left. I'm like, hey, doors water left. I'm like, yeah, man, you must be sharp, you know?

Like, yeah, there is water left. So it's just one of those holes that it mixes in pretty much every aspect of professional golf. It's got some danger of both sides and you also have like just the insanely drunk college folk out there just reminding you we're not to hit the golf ball. Yeah, there's a quick waste management story with some profanity in it. Of course.

Please. And the larger point I was going to make was at some point, like the tournament is going to be affected by the fans and it's shocking that it hasn't been yet, I think. And that's not to say they should change anything about it. I just, it's kind of crazy. Fantasy, fantasy for golf gambling. Yeah, it is crazy that that hasn't happened yet. But I will never, ever forget being on, so you mentioned 17 max. So you come, you know, if you're the player, you obviously

everyone can picture 16. You go through the tunnel on the back side of the bleachers on 17 and you're just standing and waiting on that t-box because, you know, it's a drivable part four and there's usually just a long wait there. And so like you said, the crowd kind of swells up and down and when it's down, it's pretty quiet, right? Like it's a golf tournament. Like it's not, there's no constant noise. It does get quiet and it does get loud.

And so I remember being there the year, being there the year that Baba, you know, he mentioned something in the media, like I'm only here basically because my sponsors want me to play this tournament. Oh my God. And everybody in the crowd read that and just like freaked out on Baba the whole week. And he was playing like pretty good.

And he, this was picked up on TV, by the way. He finished 16, he goes into the total, he's standing there on TV, but he finished 16. He goes into the total, he's standing there on 17T and there's like a little bit of a rumble, as everybody's kind of shifting, and then as they're waiting, like the volume comes down, down, down, down, down, down, and then everybody's just standing there.

And like five seconds after the volume, kind of like bottoms out, this guy, like just from point blank range, like a sniper rifle from the top of the bleachers on 16, right down into Bubba, which is, I don't know, 50 feet away, like so close. It was so hostile, just goes, fuck you Bubba!

And it was the most awkward, I've ever felt, because there was no like big reaction or laugh. It was just dead silent afterwards and it was Max I love I love 11 it at I wish I knew I'm going to just walk out your next thing. Okay, fuck you It was it was unbelievable. But anyway. That's awesome. I love that. Number 12, again, this would be... This would be four out of five run for Augusta,

but I'm gonna bypass that and go with its closest imitation. Yes, yes, yes. You're a field village? Yeah, hell yes, Ollie. That's a best. That was so good. It is just a complete ballbuster. You are at an elevated tee. There's always some wind factor.

There is no room to miss anywhere. The front bunker, correct me if I'm wrong Max, is actually not a bad spot to be. If you can risk not hitting that mound and coming back into the water, anything long left is on a down slope. If you're in the slope leading into the bunker, it's scary.

If you got the bunker shot, you could pitch it into the water. It is just like, I love standing and watching guys play that hole because it's just general, genuine confusion with what to do, what kind of shot to hit because you can't avoid the wind because you're up so high, I just love watching that golf hole. It's the perfect ridey hole too

because a ridey's miss is long left and short right, short right's water, long left, it might as well be at a bound. So it's just the perfect, it's the perfect par three. I mean, it's chaotic because of the wind, you can't feel it, but I mean, I love that whole. I'll coast on 12. I will make that one unanimous. A couple other shout outs.

Another one for Austin Country Club, the mega downhill par five. Yeah, I thought about that one. For the guys who have like a 450 or drive, that's fun. And speaking of which, I'll also, I have to give another shout out to Coppola, the 12th hole,

which is where Dustin Johnson, and I want to give a shout out to Brandal Shambley, where he listed his 10 favorite shots in the history of golf. And he made Dustin's drive where he almost made a hole in one at the par four. The number one best shot in the history, in the history of golf. Better than like Sarasins, Albatross, better than like all kinds of things. It was a list of 10 shots and number one was random, like tournament of

champions, Dustin Johnson's drive on 12. So that was fun. 13. I want you guys to lead off 13 because my kind of comes from left field. 13. Yeah, I don't have, I didn't have a great one. I was so fixated on Augusta, I think. I really liked the bar three at at Sawgrass.

I think that's like everybody talks about 17, but 13 is probably like a very good better quote unquote golf hole, you know. I think Harbor Towns cool too. I like the really short four. I think it's like 360, but it's got a really weird green with that kind of wild railroad-type bunker. I had to play the weirdest shot I played in golf there. I hit the railroad tie,

or I hit Mr. Green and rolled right up against a railroad tie, and I had to literally pitch a ball back into the bunker, but like, to a better angle this year, it felt super awkward. Yeah, so that's what I love about that hole. I think it keeps guys on their toes. No, I remember this year watching, I think it was Ricky had to hit,

when you're hugging, if you hug that left side, there's some big overhanging trees that can come in. And especially if there's a left pin, and Ricky had to hit this weird hooked chip, like hooked wedge. It was just really, really cool. I think that's a cool one. I went back out west, Tori Pines.

Part five goes way down the hill and comes back up. Tigers Eagle in 2008 from the back of the green look. It's like way too narrow and it's a, like a stereotypical Tori hole that just should look probably different than it does. But I always love people watching people play that hole. I got to find one. That's cool. I see you, you can get oh off the wall. Okay. Well, I know people have been expecting this

This is a pretty much I honestly can't believe you guys haven't mentioned yet, but 13 at Puerto Rico It's just really hard for for I to anybody Not to anybody to all of you have not been there before There was water left water right winds always off the left It's just like a nightmare t-shot and then the second shot is just like a nightmare over water I pretty much picked it because I needed to get Puerto Rico on but if this were a mainstay Golf course where like you saw it every week on TV or every year on TV and you tuned in to it I guess it is on TV if you actually tune into it

This would be like a hole where you'd be like damn this is a badass hole So I just had to throw it in there I wanted to be a little off the wall there and And just maybe peek some people's interest next time they're watching The golf tournament. It's gonna be fun to do with like you can only pick one I use a course once Yeah, definitely I tried my damnedestest but it was hard because I love your can you start us on 14 at yeah 14 at the Honda I guess I didn't do it a Honda either 14 at Honda that everyone talks about the bear trap 14 is the hardest hole like it is a really

demanding t-shot there's OB left which is significantly left but is over there and the reason I bring but it is over there. And the reason I bring that up is because there's the marsh right. And the second shot is really, really difficult. You know, there's a really huge runoff low left of the green. There's one short of the green. And the green, the way it flows, it's high in the front and low in the back. So if you hit a cool kind of low cut for a righty, it'll run back to those pins.

But if you were to actually take the pin on in the air, you're more likely than not gonna go into the water. I feel like it's a lost hole at the end, considering 15 through 18 get so much attention. Interesting. That's a really good one. I went, maybe a little off the wall, but similar to yours, I went with Inus Brook,

where everybody talks about the snake, pitter, whatever the fuck it's called. Yeah. Fourteen's a really, really good part five, man. Just a really proper part five. Kind of like, you know, it's like number one. Inus Brooks, a classy place. It's a lot like number two, or sorry, number 11 at Sawgrass,

but without the water. Yeah, exactly. Also, RIP, that guy that Justin killed. Exactly. May he lay in rest in peace. I'm only including this next one because of the twist that came at the at the workday, which was moving up the tea on the. Moving up the tea on 14 at Mirafield Village.

I've always thought that holds overrated just as as a back tea. It's like the easiest decision just to hit an iron right to the same spot. And then like you still take on you got to decide how much risk to take on with the wedge, especially the back pins and like you're saying max along left miss and a short right miss or both disaster on that hole. But you know, moving it up and encouraging some guys to try to drive it yet making it very sensible to hit a layup in an easy wedge in was a really, really fun hole to watch this year. So, I like that one.

Not to mention being on the left side of that fairway actually does matter. So you have to bring in the water. Okay, they don't highlight that well enough, but that's the best. No, no, they don't. I don't love that hole from the back tee, but I do like your pick because I do think that

it does kind of matter. The tee shot isn't just a four iron, like it does kind of matter, but you have to have the stones to take it on. But the up T- is makes it a perfect hole because then you can lay up like Justin did this year or you can do what Colin does all the time and just hit a really perfect drive like right at the pin. But is it for a front pin would you want to be further right on that one? Oh, sorry, yeah, yeah, sorry. I was just thinking you referenced back pins, sorry. Yeah, okay. I did. Part of the fairway does matter and you have to be in the on that one? Oh, sorry, yeah, yeah. So I was just thinking you referenced back pin. Sorry. Yeah, okay.

The part of the fairway does matter. And you have to be in the fairway. That's the other thing. Yep, that's true. I have 15, my whole 15, I just wrote travelers LOL. So you can take it away, sorry. I wrote travelers as well. I do like that whole.

I do too. It's not bad, whole. It's not bad. I would also listen to it. I would also think that it's not, you would never lay up. I get your point. But like I don't care because I want to our entire basically beginning of this podcast about runoffs and how golf is too easy. You're now giving me a hole that is not going to be considered too difficult because it's a par four. It's not a par three. But you're going to get a ton of shots from low areas with fairway. So you're like it's a par four, it's not a par three, but you're gonna get a ton of shots from low areas with fairway.

So you're like it's forcing the the coverage to show these interesting golf shots. It's forcing the pros to show imagination and skill like that's why I love it. It's not because it's the most thought-provoking par four short par four in the world but it does it does make you hit these like bump in run shots. I had a bunker shot this year where I had to literally like try to land it into the collar to stop it. And it's just like you don't get that. Typically you would just either fly it on

and try to spin it or I would just dump it short knowing that it would be rough and I could just get up and down. It's all like if you don't like travelers I would also submit a guest in the national. Okay, well that's fine. I don't dislike the whole. My point was just like that strip of rough shouldn't be there because if you go left of it,

ball should go in that water. Totally agree. It's my thing and it doesn't change your decision making of the team. So I do it to be fair. I cannot believe that that doesn't after all they are doing. Because I've been there enough times, man. That ball always goes in the water. I don't think I've ever seen one stay up.

And of course, like 25 minutes or an hour after we talked about this, I see a ball plug. And it's like, into the wrap, I'm like, all right, cool, man, like, yeah, I'll just go fuck myself. It's like the way Instagram ads show up, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

I think you kinda dist this whole little bit earlier in a passing way, but the whole I thought of was waste management. I think that is the par five, somewhat island green. Is that a great golf hole? I would not say so, but it is a dividing, like there's some variance in that hole. There's a lot of guys coming down the stretch

who need to hit a good shot and don't. Yes, or do. Right, like it's a good like deciding golf shot. Return of golf. My dis on it, my dis on need to hit a good shot and don't. Yes. Or do, right? It's a good deciding golf shot. For turning them all over. My dissonant wasn't so much that I don't think it's a great hole. My dissonant more was that 11 is actually a hard hole. I don't think 15 would be considered a hard hole. But I like it because we talked about this a while ago,

but when Ricky laid up on that whole back in the day and didn't win, even though he had, you know, was one back, I like that you need a good, you need a good club and number that second shot. So I feel like people didn't understand that like, Hey, it's not that I don't have this shot, but like this club doesn't fit this shot at all. And, you know, Joe and I did it this year. We screwed up. We went for the green and two. We were, I think, we're two or three back. We thought we needed, well, we didn't need an eagle. I hit three iron and overswung at it, pull it long left, hit in the water. I got up and down for par. Again, that's kind of my points out. It's an insanely difficult

hole. But it was a lot of thinking on that second shot. And I think that that's a great choice because I think it's a, again, it's a high variance. You can make the hole look really easy and you can make the hole look kinda, you can make yourself look kinda dumb. Yep. Sixteen. This was the easiest, one of the easiest ones I had. I didn't really. I didn't think about any other, so maybe I'm forgetting something.

This might be blind shot TPC sawgrass that hole is so freaking good again risk-provored It is you can bail left if you want there's not very many fun chips from that left side There's so much value and he is selecting the right line off the tee actually getting it in the fairway Trying to get get on that green from even the right rough is extremely difficult There's a tree that overhangs. It's one of my favorite holes to play. It's my favorite hole to play on that golf course. And I love watching the guys play that on the PGA tour.

Yeah, I definitely had that on my list as well. I'll go with the 16. I mean, there's so many good 16s, or I guess maybe like famous 16s is a better way to put it. I think that's my longest list that I have on here. Because you have a gut. I didn't think about anything. Obviously, you have Scottsdale, obviously. I think that's my longest list that I have on here because you have a... I didn't think about anything to go. You have Scottsdale, obviously.

Scottsdale's not. I just mean it's... It's, hey, is someone who lives here and pranks to that course that might be the worst hole in a crowd, it's so bad. But when the crowd's there, it's like the coolest hole. I feel like 16 of PJ West is, you gotta give it a look because of the laughable one.

Ooh, I didn't think about that. It's a good one, yeah. But you know what, I'm gonna go back to my class acts. I think 16 of Innisfrooks really good. 16 of Innisfrooks is really good. I had that as a thought. The only reason I don't love it

is because I don't think that the green has like a ton of character. So if you do happen to hit the, it just feels like a very, a very once, one sided hole. Like if you hit the fairway, you're good. If you miss the fairway, you're dead. Yeah, that's to be how it feels.

Now, it's a cool hole where it fits in the tournament, but the, I mean, the actual golf coursey part of it, if you just took it away and put it on like number four, I don't know if you would, you would make it one of the better holes on the course. Would you go with first 16? 16 riff short part three, perfect short part three. I think as we talked about sawgrass, I think it's what 17 at TBSoggrass is without you know water. It's deep bunkers. It gives you very small areas to hit. It's a little bit longer. Wind's always in, coming off the ocean. It's quite difficult to hit them all close. And anytime you miss a green, you're pretty much screwed. I love that.

I just think it fits perfectly with the golf course as far as, you know, you play these, the back nine at RIV. RIV are, you know, full of slzures, my fairy golf course in the world, but you play the back nine at Riv and you play some of the most amazing long par fours you'll ever play. 12, 13, 15, 18 are just unbelievable long par fours and the two holes that stand out to me on that on that back nine are 10, which is a 310 yard par four and 16, which is 160 yard part three. So I think that's just like the coolest part about Revere is that you play these amazing long part fours yet you are enamored by the short holes on that side.

I want to give a shout out to Honda too. Honda 16th is really cool. Oh God. So hard. That whole sucks. Again, this is not for me to, to play. I hear you. I mean, to play it, it sucks. Again, this is not for me to play. It's for me to watch you play.

I mean, like, to play and it sucks. Of course, I could. What do you guys got for 17? A cursory look for, I got this to, for number 16. Of course, of course. 17, a complete no-brainer for me as well. Do you want to go, I'll look last one. Well, this is just, if I'm building and owning

and operating the golf course and taking the revenue, I'm picking 17 at TPC Sawgrass. Of course. I mean, let's not be too cool for school here. It's the most fun hole, probably to watch pros play all year, right? Especially if the wind gets up. I just say you need a little bit of wind. Totally. Every time I've been, it's been so easy and honestly, every time I've played it, it's not comically easy, but you have to screw up very badly to hit in the water. Definitely.

I agree, but it's also the most famous home golf probably. So there's that. I like Scottsdale, man. No Brainer Scottsdale. No Brainer. That's one of the best drivable fours in golf, and tournament golf at the professional level. I think you take the tournament away, and it's still an awesome hole.

Yes. I think that's what's a sign of a really cool, as far as PJ Tore Golf goes, that's a sign of a pretty cool hole. 18. 18, there's going to be a lot of options. Man, there were a lot. It did show me, as Sali mentioned earlier, it gave me more appreciation for the golf courses we play because there's a lot of good last holes.

You want to rattle some off? What do you have on your list? I had a few on my list but I landed on you know, Coil Hollow. I don't know if you guys know what I'm going there. Such a gimmick hole. It's a tremendous hole as far as you know, it might not be the most fair hole but it's one of those we talk about chaos, we talk about being entertained, literally anything can happen on that last hole. On that tee, you can mess it up left, even if you miss it left for the water, you are almost more screwed than being in the water, you miss it right, you have no shot. It demands precision and it demands, you know, controlling of the nerve. As I did, I don't know if you guys know, but I won there.

But I just think it's a really, really cool hole. It also has a great setting for fans. Like it's got this stadium seating type look. And I just, I think that it's a, you know, I think the obvious answer to 18 at Pebble. I think this one is kind of underrated as far as all of it combined, where it lays in the tournament, how hard it is,

and then the fan aspect, I think it all just kind of blends really nicely. How about the fact that you, Ricky, and Rory all got their first wins on that green. And AK, shout out to them. And AK, that's right. And what the heck? They're currents. And AK, shout out to the audience. And AK, that's right. And, they're cursed. And they're cursed.

Yeah, respect. I feel like I'm supposed to say, I feel like I'm supposed to say, Pebble. Pebble's on the list and Pebble's on the list. You're supposed to say Pebble, that's for sure. But honestly watching tournament golf, I have had more fun watching the 18th of Capillewa. That's what I had too.

No, I thought about that, but I played it when it was so soft this year, pissing off. I didn't get to run a single shot up. Like, you had to. No, I thought about that, but I played it when it was so soft this year, pissing off. I didn't get to run a single shot up. You had to literally fly the ball like one foot from the front, and it stinks because it's such a cool hole. Yeah, it just wasn't, it had no fun part to it. Like, it just hit it here, hit it there, it'll stick, and then hit like an off, like you have to then kind of ball out to hit a great wedge. I mean, it looks so fun on TV, so I like you have to then kind of ball out to hit a great wedge. I mean

It it looks so fun on TV. So I like that pick, but I was so jaded. Feel like we also got a shout out Sogras of course. Yes Honda of course. Hey sneaky Zurich 18. Zurich. Yeah, of course. Very good. Whole. Riviera. Of course. Yeah And John deere, especially the fans behind the 18th of the classiest at Riviera like Fucking lady yelled duchet me was Rope to get second place calls me 500,000 dollars God we could split the Elijah Craig adry I need to now All right.

So here's a question. What's your guys favorite course? We got a lot of the same ones, but do you guys have a favorite course on tour? Like whether it's to watch or if you've ever played. I mean, it's got to be Riviera, you know, just from like the aggregate of amount of times we said it, but I think Sogras is like sneaking up on it. Sogras gets a lot of votes. So if you're going straight like the most votes.

I was gonna say, if you go by my first place votes, it's gonna be Pebble, but like the amount of times Riv would have fallen out second to so many years to me. Yeah, sure. Riv might have won out. Again, I just feel like 6789, like you just, it takes so much to overcome them

that, I don't know, it's a lot of Pebble, but I agree. Sogras was the one one, I wanted to do number six at Sawgrass because I think that's a great hole. I mean, going up against Pell, you just washed out there. If that was like number 13 or something like that, I might have picked that. So I think there's a lot to TPC Sawgrass.

Myrfield Village was a weird one to go hole by hole, individually and be like, yeah, kind of. I want to put eight, I want to put eight on my list, but eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight of couples, my favorite, but eight of, eight of Mirfield is awesome, I thought. But the rest is kind of, they don't know. They don't know.

They don't know. I should have put 16 of Mirfield on it, just because I like watching Pro's try to play it. God, that's such a, they need to fix that. They are fixing that one, thank you. Geez Louise. A green is like legitimately like no hyperbole. It's at least three times firmer than any other hole you play out there.

We got to wrap this, Max, we kept you for a damn long time, but almost two hours that I did not expect this. I thought we were going to scrape together an episode today. Punta Connor recap. Yeah. Two hours. Shout out to Hudson Swaffer to one. Yeah, it's a Hudson Swaffer. We're at this one.

And to you, Max, thanks for doing this. I know you do the hours of podcasting every week. And we listen and enjoy it and keep her asking, John. You guys know what this means, right? What's that? You guys got to come on mine now. Oh, yeah.

Megan for the invite. Can we do the, oh, I, we do have to wrap this very shortly. We want to give a quick shout out in our Pro Shop. There's a huge, I believe the merch drop of the invite. Can we do the, oh, we do have to wrap this very shortly. We wanna give a quick shout out in our Pro Shop. There's a huge, I believe the merch drop of the decade. Yeah, Tron said it could be the biggest sweepstakes in the history of the Pro Shop. A lot of this stuff is going up tomorrow Monday at, I believe 1 p.m.

Let me confirm that. While you do that, Max, we at least need to, some, a bit of public discourse on the match, which we've been scheduling since before COVID hit. Let me, let me do the merch stuff because people are gonna drop after the match stuff. One PM, it all drops. This is a note from Tron.

This is word for word from Tron. We call them the Rasputin of, of Teneal's Merchzar. We stuck with classic timeless colors for the season, gray, white, polos are in Fuego. It'll go under the radar, but the pier sweatshirts are the softest things in my closet. Tron is not prone to hyperbole, so that's a good one. The vests are pricey, but really strong and versatile.

We have a mid-weight insulated vest, heavier insulated vest, and a shell vest. Hats and visors are fully stocked. Belts dog collars, about the, I sound like Stefan Louch, just rattling stuff off. This place has everything. This place has everything. Belts dog collars, towels, including the black club towels. Our fully stocked H&B collection launches after lunch East Coast time tomorrow or today

when you're probably listening to this. Sweet. Well, Max, we were talking before COVID hit that we were going to do us five no-lang up guys after lunch east coast time tomorrow or today when you're probably listening to this, sweet. Well Max, we were talking before COVID hit that we were gonna do us five no-lang up guys against you and Max, are you in shame in a scramble? Us five in a scramble, you and Shane in a scramble. You've been talking a lot of shit about how you're gonna beat us,

but I just wanted to publicly acknowledge that you would have no chance. No chance, okay. I think that I beat you guys by myself that day. We all played at old, old Marsh, old palm. I'm first landed. I was it there. Marsh landing.

So I resed that. You need to understand. You're lucky, Deach. The value of a scramble, especially five people playing in a scramble. That's, yeah, you beat me by 16 shots. Gross, but like that's how it's gonna work in a scramble, That's yeah, you beat me by 16 shots. Gross, but like that's how it's going to work in a scramble, but I understand. In the since since we started this debate, one of your

players has literally switched hands in how he plays the games. I still think you would. I am you've never seen me. I know I am more nervous though of Randy. I've never seen him play this well. So he does scare me a bit Neil you haven't seen Neil's second serve drive. It's like it's game overdue. It's he figured it out Here's here's the thing. I love Neil. I want the best for Neil. Neil under the lights will never scare me That one doesn't get to me. I'm scared of his potential. I Don't buy that it will show up. That's more my take. DJ, I love you too, man, but you're just,

you're just kind of our, you're our Puerto Rico as far as the DJ tour. Tournament plays out. It's not a lot, I'm not like, I don't, do I think that you're bad? No, do I think that you're really, really good? Not really, am I scared of any general specific aspect of what you're doing?

Not a lot. Sully, you're obviously the most polished. You've won, I don't know. It doesn't, I'd be a divot. It doesn't, Taurus sauce. I mean, your act legs beat for themselves. Oh, man, it just feels like a dozen. All right, well, then that's even worse.

You couldn't even win multiple games. You're just kidding. So I'm feeling even better at this. Speed is that side, actually. No, I don't know. I think it would be a good match. I mean, of course, the scramble is, when you have five guys, it's difficult.

I like to talk shit just because it's really fun to do so. I think it would be difficult. I don't talk shit just because it's really fun to do so. I think it would be difficult. I don't think that it's crazy to think that we would win. I think that if we were, if I was going to analyze how it would go, you guys would have a better chance of blowing us out than we would, but I also know what we're getting on our side. I think that's why I talk trash.

I know what we're gonna give you. I think you guys are definitely more of the wild card. It would be like playing, you know, Baker may field in the browns. Like Baker could go bananas and make you look silly or he could be, you know, some of the Baker we've seen and you're like, wow, how are, you know, this isn't nearly the fight we expected.

So that's more how I look at it. I know what I'm bringing. It's a little different on your end. So that's more how I look at it. I know what I'm bringing. It's a little different on your on your end. So that's more my take. If it was any common, like any three, like legit, any three of us, at least if you include me or Neil and any two other guys, I would say, like in a scramble versus just you, you would have your work cut out for you. Yeah, no, no, if Neil tries to decent, I'm screwed. Well, you and Bacon and a Scramble is a firepower. Yeah, you're gonna shoot low, low 60s, if not below that.

So we gotta do it. Yeah, I think we would shoot, on a really good day, I think we would shoot in a Scramble like 12 on a good day. I think you guys could definitely beat that, and you guys could drum it with five guys, but I just think that, like I know our variance would be a little bit smaller,

so I think that we would kind of be the guy posting a number and you guys have to go get it. I think we're just gonna keep kicking the can down the road until they roll back the ball. That might play more in door hands. No, Bacon's just gonna overpower everything. We're not doing that shit. Bacon is a better kneel though.

For sure, that's why We're not doing that shit. I can't believe you. Bacon is a better kneel though. Oh, no. For sure, that's why we're not playing that game. We're playing proper golf. We'll play with the rollback ball, but we'll play it anywhere. We do gotta run, but we are. I'll play of Toronto's seven lefty, seven righty clubs. We're gonna hit some SD card issues here, very shortly if we don't cut this, man.

So thank you for joining. This was a absolute blast. We'll have to do maybe some more of these in this offseason or something like that. All right, sounds good. Thanks for having me, guys. I really do. I missed you guys.

I can't wait until COVID's over. And we could have the pizza party I've been promised. Those would be the days. Amen. See you, man. All right, brother. See you, boys. Get a right club.

Be the right club today. Yes. It's gonna be the right club. Be the right club today. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's better than most. How about it? That is better than most. Better than most.

Better than most. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Expect anything different.