No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 674: Chevron LPGA and Zurich PGA Recap

Episode Date: April 24, 2023

We've got a lot to cover on this week's recap pod as Lilia Vu wins in a playoff at the LPGA Chevron Championship while, on the PGA Tour, Nick Hardy and Davis Riley shoot 30 under to win the Zurich in New Orleans. Special thanks to our guest appearances on our Chevron coverage by LPGA pro and current Golf Channel commentator Karen Stupples and stats aficionado Justin Ray for a complete look at the first impressions of the Chevron in Houston as well as Vu's family background, Angel Yin missing out on her first major, Nelly Korda's week, and more. We also take stock of the role of the Zurich team event on the PGA Tour and some other format possibilities, the atmosphere at this week's LIV event in Australia, plus the return of This Week in James Hahn Tweets. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes. That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Lang Up live show presented as always by our friends at high noon, Sally here, Kevin Van Volkberg is here. Hello, KVV. How are you, buddy?

Sally, I'm doing great. I am super excited to talk some golf. I am glad we had a great finish to this golf tournament. There is a lot of golf to break down. Big Randy's excited to talk about golf. I am glad we had a great finish to to this golf tournament. There is a lot of golf to break down. Big Randy's excited to talk about golf, which has me excited. Hello, Mr. Randy. I legitimately have guys can't can't wait to go live here. Can't wait to get into it. Welcome happy to be with you guys. I want to give a shout out to our friends at high noon. Of course, the new high noon tequila. Celter is made with real Blanco tequila and real juice.

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to a playoff with Angel Yen and wins it with a birdie on the first playoff. Oh, I thought it was a really fun closing stretch. Liliah played very well today to shoot 68. I think I, gosh, I should have this, not sure if it's the low round of the day or not, but Kudos to her, she got in early, posted a good number, and then, we were watching Angel try to steer it in, and got in the playoff. Liliah, we were watching Angel try to steer it in and gotten the playoff.

Lillia, we will get into all of it, but Lillia took care of business, Bernie in the first playoff hole. And I think we can talk about Nelly Corda. We can talk about Angel Yen. We can talk about a lot of things, but I think the big takeaway, this is a very good major champion for women's golf. And I'm excited to talk about why that is and to get into a little bit more of Lillia's story. But I'm excited for her. I'm geeked for the tour. Great, great result here.

Angel broke my heart. Listen, a lot of people in the comments talking about how I predicted Lillia would win on Friday night, but also defiantly predicted that Angel would not, which I that was looking very silly at one point. But I thought, you know, the broadcast really did an excellent job breaking down like exactly when things flipped for Angel. I mean, she was smile and laugh and all day long and then gets hits it in the bunker on 16 and all of a sudden her whole process looked very different. She kind of snapped back into it a little bit on 18, but I thought just the decision-making started getting really kind of poor there on 16 and 17. And I shouldn't be the one breaking the stuff down. And we have a guest waiting and I say we bring her in because

she's waiting patiently in a car, I believe, to show this friend of the friend of the pod and fresh off the telecast, Ms. Karen Stuples. Hello, Karen. Welcome. How are you? I was like, listen to your chat just then. I'm like, I want a jump in, I want a jump in. What do you have for what's your reaction to what from Angel there on 18 in the playoff? So I was obviously following her and when I knew that she pulled out the five on and she had, I can't remember what the actual yardage was that she had, but I thought, Kroki, she's going to have to really jump on this because it was getting colder. And I'm like, this is a big five arm to carry that,

to carry the front bunker anyway. And I think that in a heart of heart, she kind of felt like she needed to really jump on it. And this is why she pulled it left, trying to get more out of it. And I just think it was a poor club choice. In the same way as a poor club choice, that she played in regulation back on the 17th, the par three.

She had the right club in her hands the first time round with the A-tahn. Then she clubbed up to the 7th and of course you can never fully go ahead and send it. If in the back of your head you might have too much club and she ended up hitting it in that greenside bunker, which was dead. There was no chance to come back from that. So I think it was a club of mistakes clubbing wise. And I think she was genuinely confused with the wind on 17. And then on 18, I don't really know why,

as you were saying, the stands are in play. Just go for it. You know what I thought was kind of underrated, Karen, is this how far Lillia Drove it passed her on 18 there. I mean, you know, you think of angels being like the big bomber that she's gonna step up here and take the engine. Lillia just smashed it. She did, and she took it over the trees

and put it into such a fabulous place. I would say this though, that Lillia, that Angel probably would have been still behind Lillia in with her driving regulation, but not by much. She would have been behind her by 10 yards, so not quite the 30 yards that she did in the playoff. But yeah, Lillia looked more comfortable with that tee shot. Lillia looks more comfortable in that position in general. I think Angel, I mean, you've got to

love her. I mean, you've got to want her to do well and achieve and to be great, because, I mean, let's face it, she's been on the stage since she was 13. She deserves a little bit of something good, you know. But I just, I mean, Lillia just looks like she owned it, like she knew it. There was never any doubt, and she was going to be fine no matter what the result was. And I do think that Angel, there was so much more riding on it for her, because she's got so much more baggage there than Lillia does. And it's just just hard it's a hard thing to overcome and I think the importance for Angel was more was way more than it was for Lillia in terms of self-esteem and how you see yourself as a player. Karen, for those that have really been following women's golf,

we've seen Lily Avue on an ascendancy from really this time last year. I mean, her last 12 months have been excellent. For those that aren't as familiar with Lily Avue, can you help kind of paint in the picture and what you think her potential is and what a win like this can do for her? She's had a bit of a journey too. She came out on the LPJ tour, didn't really perform very well. She was a standout at UCLA, played fabulous golf. Everybody thought she was going to do big things,

but didn't really find her footing on the LPGA tour, had to go back to the Epson tour where she played and played quite well, but it was kind of finding her confidence and knowing who she was out there on the Epson tour. Then she comes back out last year and all of a sudden she's a player that everybody is watching again and is almost like she needed a little bit of time playing professional golf away from college where everything is sheltered and you have somebody looking after you and everything seems quite easy to room she's on the LPGA tour and it's and it's hard you know you're fighting against the best in the world it's nothing's going to be given to you out here

so she goes back struck you know works our way through Epsom and I think that learning that she put in out there has really helped her now that she's come out on tour. She's realised that she's got some friends out here that she's not going to be alone and that it's much more of a familiar place to her and she knows that her game is good enough. I mean we've all seen it now. I mean the fact that she goes ahead and wins in Thailand to get her first LPGA tour victory and really stamping her claim in that final round playing some great golf shoot and low numbers and just overpowering the golf course again. And she did the same thing here. I mean, the conditions today was so tough early early on just brutally cold windy on a golf course that is actually very unforgiving, certainly around the greens and her extra length really paid dividends with her today. I suspect this might not be the last time we see Lilia in a final, you know, I say final

group, she did not play in the final group, but I guess I'm thinking more of the playoff. I mean, where do you like her going from here? It feels like, you know, she could be involved in a number of these over the next several years. She has the game. This is, you know, this is her breakout year and it's our breakout in the media to really get a glimpse of what she's fully capable of. I think the playoff was particularly impressive, just the way she grabbed hold of it from that first T-shirt. And then Angel opened the door a little bit.

But for her to finish off and make that part, not give an angel the chance to come back, really shows us she's got a lot of, I mean, got a lot of marbles, really. I mean, she's got it wearing a mattress. I love it. You know, she just got it wearing glasses. I love it. You know, she just really does. And you can't teach that.

You can't practice that into yourself. You either have it or you don't, and she does. I'm so glad you phrased it that way because the next person I was gonna ask you about, I wanna ask you about Nelly Corda. You know, I wrote something this morning essentially saying, you know, if Nelly wants to turn into the world beater that I think she wants to be, she expects to be.

And certainly a lot of people want her to be. I thought this was a golden opportunity today for to go out and just take, you know, go take one. And she didn't, you know, she rolled in that eagle on 18 to kind of make her final result, look a little better than it was. But do you see any, I mean, is what do we think of Nelly? Let me just ask you that.

Well, I mean, my goodness, I mean, the world she writes with regards to talent and ability and being the poster child for the LPJ tour, really. And with that comes a lot of responsibility and a lot of pressure as well. And everybody's expectations are on her shoulders. I mean, all the galleries were with her group. And so she understands that, she knows that.

And I think this week for her, it's such a fine line between being completely dominant and brilliant and being a top 10 machine or a top 5 machine or whatever you want to be. Goal through such a hard game and it's really hard to be dominant. And I think we all really want the next Annika to come along. And I think it would all be really happier if it was nearly. But the good rumours golf game right now is just not kind of setting that in that time zone. World number one's haven't won a women's major since I think the Lydia code in it way back when, back in 2016, it's been a long time.

And it's, I don't know why that is. I think it's just the expectation that they have, that they put on their shoulders. I mean, obviously you measure yourself by what you do in the majors. I think it's just the expectation that they have, that they put on their shoulders. I mean, obviously, you measure yourself by what you do in the ladies. And I think, nearly, I think, it's a tough thing to do, but she wants it so much that sometimes, the harder you reach for something, the farther away,

you get, I always have an analogy where I say, it's like golf and winning tournaments, it's like unrequited love. The more you want it, and the more you want it to love you back, the more it kicks you to the curb. It's like your high school crush. You just can't, you know, the more you want them to love you back, the more you adore them, the more they say no thank you.

And that's just like golf. It's the same thing. The more you want it, the more you get to the ground. We should write our men a comedy about this. This is great. There's nothing funny about it. It's miserable, trust me. I'm sure you've never had that problem. This about this. This is great. There's nothing funny about it. It's miserable. Trust me.

I'm sure you've never had that problem. This is true. This is true. No, no. No. Karen, a quick follow up for you, Karen. I'm not sure if you just, if you got to see any of Nelly today, I, I, I know you're bouncing out around a little bit.

But the one thing I noticed was just, I didn't love her body language. She, She was really showing that frustration, not over the top, but enough from a player of her statue. You know, this probably is an unfair comparison, but I think a tiger woods. He's not showing anybody, any cracks, a certainly final round of a major. I thought that was just a little disappointing from Nelly. And if I have one criticism, I'd love to see her just keep that within herself. Yeah, I mean, she definitely could.

I mean, don't forget she's still quite young and there's still some learning and growing to go there. I do think that her expectations are really high and it's so easy to let your guard down and let it all come out. I mean, we've all been there and been fed up with what's going on because you expect so much more from yourself. And I think what we see from her is a level of disappointment in her not being able to get the job done and frustration and that's how it manifests with her in particular.

Other people would like to throw clubs, other people kind of internalise it and maybe we don't see it with some people. I mean, you think about you in the parks of the world or you know, you see reparks, your other great- you know, players from a career or Asia in general, they typically tend to internalise it and keep it all to themselves. So we think that the stoic approach might be the best way, but at some point you have to try and get those feelings out. Now, whether it becomes about being down about it as opposed to being angry and more aggressive,

and maybe that might serve her better if she's, if she can turn it into something that is an aggressive move, like more angry as opposed to maybe a little sad. That might be the way to go, but maybe it's just a question of her understanding and knowing that that's what she needs. Well, we'll get you out of here on this one, Karen. We have some things to talk about on this back in, but I'm curious to get your perspective with some of this, as well, obviously much closer to the women's game. But what's your true reaction to this first chevron in Houston at Carlton Woods,

the whole atmosphere, the major championship atmosphere, the vibe, the setting, everything. I just want kind of your reaction to this change in the women's golf major championship scene. Okay, so I think I speak when I speak for everybody. We loved mission hills. There's no denying it. I mean, everything about that place was wonderful. But I would also say it was dying there too. The fans weren't coming out. It wasn't well supported anymore. It had lost its

it had lost its its glitter. I mean, it just wasn't the same event over the course of the years that I played there. I think the timing was right for a move. I think everybody was sad that it had to move, but this didn't upset me as much as I thought it would. My first impressions on the golf course are it's major championship worthy. It's not your typical major championship course in that you've got the mutagrass everywhere. But I like the toughness of it in the Greens. It was not an easy course to play. I mean, the fairways were a little wider than I would have expected.

And the rough wasn't particularly long and players could get away with that. But the Greens were firm and they were really hard to read and they had a lot of undulation to them. You had to be really target disciplined, which is something I think should always be required in major championship. You have to pick your target and be disciplined enough to stick to it together. So, as opposed to being able to wing a shot in there and you know see the flag and just wing it in there at the flag and get away with it, I think you

have to you know work your way around the course you have to have strategy in a game plan and I think this golf course delivered for that the buildup of it was magnificent you had stands and corporate buildings and everything that you'd expect to see at a major venue. And it felt pretty big. The golf course itself had the risk of war that you want. However, the pond was pretty disgusting for jumping into. It was pretty foul looking. Oh, that was tough. I'm so glad Lillia jumped. I was so happy for her. Yes, the crowd was the crowd was egging her on for sure. They wanted her to do it.

And I'm not actually pretty sure if the crowd hadn't been there egging her on, I'm pretty sure she might have skipped it. But it was good, I like it. And I just hope that over the next few years, the appreciation for the women's game in Houston will grow. More people will come out to watch. There was a lot more people here yesterday when the weather was fabulous.

Today it was a big dream, and I think people worried about the coldness and the potential for rain. But the more people that can come out the better, and once it gets well-known that the LPGA in town and playing their major here in the woodlands, I think people will show up. It's an, I'll enjoy it. There was so many young kids out there and young girls

and that was awesome. Well, thanks so much for dialing in from a vehicle into our very urgent show that needed to happen. But we always enjoy your insights. So thanks so much, Karen. And best of luck and rest of the year. Hope we see you soon. Absolutely.

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Nice little product placement. As well as first time PGA tour winners Davis Riley and Riley Davis, both one, I believe also Nick Hardy, one at the Zurich, Lili won the Chevron playing her new Pro V1 X golf ball. She made the move to the 2023 Pro V1 X to begin the season after some offseason testing and help bring down her long game spin without sacrificing any of the short game performance or feel she loves about the probi 1x. She's now one twice in five starts on the LPJ tour with the new ball. This week, Lily was one of 95 competitors

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but maintaining a really good spin. And of course, Davis also games titles throughout the bag. TSR3 driver, TSR3 with TSR2 5 wood. We can't get through all the copy if they're going to have this many winners in one week. So for more on Davis's setup, Lillia's golf ball to see how you can get fit for the best equipment for your game, visit titleist.com. Good one there, Sally. Yeah, that's right.

KV, you had a little on Lilia's backstory and family backstory. Yeah, guys, I'm just a sucker for great back stories. I don't know if this has been told a little bit about Lilia before, but if this is your first exposure to her, like, one of the things that's most interesting about her, your family comes from Vietnam, that's kind of their heritage, obviously, but she told the story a little bit earlier this year

when she made it back to the tour. You know, her grandfather, after sort of Vietnam was kind of destabilized completely by the Vietnam War, her grandfather was basically like, I need to get my family and as many people who I can out of here. And so she told this, Lily told the story about how her grandfather

was basically like, just kind of disappear for like a month at a time. And he was off building like a boat that he could pot, you know, the biggest boat that he could possibly build. And it was basically like, all right, all my family and literally anybody who wants to come and try to escape the country can get on the boat. And the boat was like on the cusp of sinking the entire time when they were like, you know, going to sail literally anywhere they could get to. And the boat was like kind of out in the ocean like going down and they didn't know what to do.

They thought they were all gonna die. They fired up a flare and an American vessel sort of came by and was like, all right, we're gonna rescue these people, brought them to the United States and that's how Lilia's family ended up in California. Immigrated, you know, sort of became an American citizen. And she's basically like, I would not be here

if my grandfather to head and had the courage to sort of, you know, build this boat and basically say to Anyone in our sort of in the village where he came from like you're welcome to come with me if you want I mean, that's a freaking cool story You know, like that's that's an awesome display of courage and just sort of like I love kind of immigrant stories like that So yeah, yeah, but what about the T.I.L.? Yeah, let's go back to the T.I.O. It's an incredible story. Yeah, it's an incredible yeah, but what about the TIO? Yeah, let's go back to the TIO. It's an incredible story.

Yeah, it is an incredible story, but just grant touched on it. We had Grant Boone on Friday show and for folks I didn't hear. He touched on that a little bit of that story, KVV. And when Liliah was really going through some struggles, I think she made one cut her rookie year on the LPGA tour, really whiffs of Max Homa's story a little bit that way. She thought about quitting the game. And as Grant told us Friday, she was talking, Lillia was talking to her mother. And he made it sound like, Lillia's mother was like, listen.

What our family has gone through to get to America, you know, to provide you with this opportunity, you're gonna have to work through a little bit of adversity. This isn't the end of the world. And as Lillia tells it, I mean, credit to her, she, I think she kind of did the work to really change her mindset. It seemed like she decoupled, you know, her self-esteem from how she was playing golf. And the rest is history. One, three times on the Epson tour, re-got her card again, rejoin the tour. And, you know, the rest is history. Here she is a major winner. Well, listen, this guy is always, he's always adding a ton of value on social media and various platforms when it comes to major champions, uh, or any kind of golf on Sundays.

If you're not following this guy for a little bit of perspective, uh, on what's happening. And if you, if you, I find it especially helpful, if you've missed any of the golf and you're trying to get caught up, everyone knows him. It's Mr. Justin Ray. He is here to shine some light on the golf tournament that we've just seen Justin How are you on this Sunday evening? Thanks for coming on. I'm better than I sound. I want to apologize in advance. I'm going through allergy hell right now But better than I sound. That was an exciting final round. I thought my hometown Houston showed itself pretty well Yeah, you're on a better connection and a clear picture than we had with Karen as well

So that that's always appreciated But hit us with some some some goodies from Liliavu from this past week. Yeah. So Lili was outside the top 10 tied for 11th, entering the final round. She's the first LPGA major winner to come from outside the top 10 to win since 1988.

It is not happened. Jerry Turner. Come on. The 1988 LPGA championship. I just checked that four times because I could not believe it And then I went into the men's game like this is crazy like what's the last time that a man in the men's majors Can we try to guess can we try to guess before you absolutely? Where did you work will start at the Masters the you know, he was the final group I think oh was he I just remember it being a free for all.

Now he's not outside the top 10. OK. It wouldn't be like Paul Laurie at the car news. He would. It would be. That's the last. That's all. Laurie.

He's for Vanderbilt. That's closing goal. That was the last men's major championship winner outside the top 10. It's kind of crazy because you think, you know, 10 players doesn't seem like a whole lot, but only 2% of LPG winners in the last decade actually have been outside the top 10 and during the final round. So we had such a bunch leaderboard this weekend at Carlton Woods. It was it was a little bit. We

don't often see that at major championships, but Lily was able to put together a great round. Leaders backed up and we saw what happened. So first time since 1988 though, kind of crazy. That's insane. That's a great stat. So number two, I'll stick with Lily of O'Voo. All right, let me, let me, J. Ray, let me just jump in here. I test J. Ray just to, just to set up this segment. I was like, J. Ray, I want to have you on, bring us your five favorite tidbits from the week and we'll react to them. So he's got five for us just and go ahead with number two. Sorry.

Thank you, Randy. I would just keep firing it well. Well, I was going to wonder. It's like this what you do when you go to parties. You're like, all right, so got five things to happen. It's a big hit with everybody. Yeah. Let's just start rattling stuff off. So Louis is growth just as a player over the last six, nine months. Entering this week, she was actually the best punner on the LPGA tour by Stroke's Gain Pudding since the middle of last August. It's just a little bit better than Lydia Co. And second in Stroke's Gain total

in that span to Lydia Co. This is said, I knew you guys talking about it with Karen. It's really been coming here the last six, nine months. She's now finished at the top 20 in 13 of her last 14 LPGA starts. It's crazy consistent. She's gaining strokes in every category. It's since the middle of the last summer

and then just continue that trend this season. So just her as since into becoming one of the game's best players, it's really been something to watch. I think that's, I think that's what I would try to get across to listeners is Liliavu might be, God, this is going to arrive new to you. But she's going to be around. This is not a fluke. This is not an accident. This is, I mean, legitimately one of the 15 best players in the world

winning her first major title, which is cool. Yeah, she was growing into becoming a lock for the Soulheim Cup team, but I'd say now it's an absolute mortal certainty that she's going to be on that team. She's a second ranked American player right before this week, isn't she? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and it was trading towards it happening, and now there's no way she won't be on it. All right, what else you got? I'm in number three.

This is great. We need some countdown music. And again, sorry for my voice on the verge of coughing. So what Angel Yen did all week on the back nine up until the last 45 minutes. It was pretty remarkable. She was bogey free on the back nine until the 16th hole on Sunday. So for the first 33 holes on that back nine, no mistakes. And then we saw what happened coming down the stretch.

It was a little bit of smoke and mirrors. She wasn't flagging it every hole. She was 11 for 11 scrambling on the back nine up until that point. So she had missed a third of her greens in regulation and was able to save every time. Was eight for 10 by my count, punting from five to 10 feet on those holes.

I don't want to say it was a statistical inevitability, but we were building towards like, she's kind of beast mellow this thing together and we were bound to see some kind of regression. Unfortunately for her happened right down the stretch. It was good to see her make that birdy, obviously, that would get into the playoff, but a really talented player who's, I don't think her world ranking right now belies the talent she actually has. We saw kind of what was on display here over the weekend. But it's been that way for a while now, right? I mean, I was, I was a big buy. I had a

lot of angel Yen stock in 2019, 2020. And I don't know if it's injury or what it's been, but it's, it's not really fully panned out. And if, for those that didn't see it also, I think in round three, she had a shadow number 12 in the water that like went hit a rock at the bottom of the water and came out or something. I don't know what happened there. I'm like, believable, but yeah, crazy, absolutely crazy good break there. So yeah, statistically, she had kind of piecemealed it together a little bit, and it just kind of not fell apart, but she could get to the finish line. And I was just going to add to that, Jay, right?

I think that 13 through 16 have been so tricky all week. I don't know if you have the front nine scoring versus the back nine. It seemed like the back nine was a touch harder. And I thought that's what magnified her clubbing air and the mistake on 17, the par three. She bogeys 16 fine. She's back at 10 under with the par 518 you figure that's a birdie hole go win it there I think that's what was the huge mistake on 17 with the

clubbing. Did Karen happen to say if she missed hit that shot in the playoff because that's the only thing what you guys were I think saw you tweeted about it that the TIO everywhere and I just, there's just no reasonable explanation to leave that shot. Short. Yeah. She totally missed that. I think it was a toe hook of some kind. I mean, she said, oh, as soon as she hit it, I mean, I, I've, I've seen that ball before when you hit it and you get, you know,

it's got no shot of caring. And you're like, I just try to hit that. Why don't I try to do that? I could have just, I've been there a way to, too off. What if it has seen that corpus cold shank on the 72nd whole to do my grunt, don't do else like that. It was a him. It was a limb Kim that shanked it. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I was playing with corpus. My bad. My bad. Can we just, can we just pause a little bit going out if the ball had hit the dock and landed on the green,

what a moment that would have been. What has, what a ridiculous, incredible moment. That's, I mean, that's Freddie couples that Augusta type stuff, right? The, just the break of all breaks. I thought the same thing KVB, that ball was close to catching a piece of that dock. I think next year,

how about it's the top of the, the TIO, the spands, rolls back on under the green. Yeah. Yeah. They should make the dock be part of land. So if it crosses any part of that, you have to drop on a dock. I think that should not be in the water. I think any clarification there is that part of land. It's connected to land.

It's a solid. Now it was on water. It was in the red, the red paint. Unfortunately. Unfortunately. So, Randy, I really liked your piece. You wrote this morning about Nelly chasing down, possibly chased down a win today. I wanted to kind of dive into that a little bit.

I found it interesting that all eight of her wins on the LPGA tour. She led it during the final round. She's never come from behind to win an LPGA event. And I know there are a lot of really elite players like a famously obviously, you know, Tiger, it's only one the Masters in 19 and never come from behind on Sunday to win a major. But for to go eight for eight and all of your wins come from the front, I mentioned that Lili Avustat and about how those big comebacks are a little bit more rare on the LPGA tour than they are the PGA tour. But I found that kind of interesting. So I looked into her final round scoring the last couple of years.

Her final round scoring average last two seasons is just 71. It's pretty, it's pretty pedestrian. Compare that to a tie at Tidakoon, who's second in that span, 68.9, much, much lower. So I thought that was kind of interesting. And maybe it's a decision-making thing. Karen spoke to like her attitude over shots. She couldn't get anything to fall today. I mean, she kept putting herself in position

and I was thinking to myself, this is gotta go. This one's gotta be the one to go. And they just wouldn't fall. But maybe it's a decision-making thing. Maybe it's determined of an approach when it gets to those situations on Sundays, but her scoring average isn't as good the last two seasons of the final round

as it is one through three. Someone made, I'm searching for a male comp on Nelly, right? And I think we maybe like two years ago we might have used different ones than we'd used now, but somebody said on Twitter they said Davis love and that that that got me got got to me a little bit. I mean gave days a one made for that. I think golf swing, first of all, and I think Adam Scott. Now just because there's watching the golf swing and I know you know Adam had one major and should have probably had a couple of more, especially that open championship that Ernie won. It's not only so young still though and she's really only been at the top of the game

here for a couple of years. So I'm not ready. Yeah. I could sense reading your article, Randy, that you didn't really want to throw this on or like you got to win this one. But like, hey, we're getting, we're getting to the time here where the players that you have in front of you, the situation you're in, this is a prime opportunity, right? I, I think that's right.

I, you know, she's 24. It's, it's a little weird to try to figure out where that puts her on the LPGA timeline because we've seen players retire at 30. figure out where that puts her on the LPGA timeline because we've seen players retire at 30. We've seen players like Anika who had tremendous success post 30. But she's, yeah, I think she obviously just oozes talent. I mean, there's a reason why she's the number two,

maybe number one player in the world after this week. I think that's a fascinating stat about the final round. Somebody I, I, I, Sali, it may have been you on, on our slack. She reminded me of Rory a lot today and not necessarily like the great Rory. The Rory we've seen too often the last few years. It's a private slacks, man. Come on. You can't be doing me like that.

I'm a slack rep for this today. Yeah. I don't know. I, I don't, I like that. I'm not going to stop this today. Yeah. I don't know. I don't, I don't, I don't, I'm not giving up on Nelly. I'm not saying this is like, oh my God, it's a disaster for her. It's just a shame though, because I think it was a great opportunity, right? She shoots 70 today and she's in a playoff. She shoots 69 and she wins it outright.

So yeah, that's, it, it, it, those are great stats, so just, and I appreciate those. Big, I think it's the Adam Scott thing is so interesting because obviously, those are the two of the prettiest swings that I've ever really lived, of any gender, right? And yet, that doesn't necessarily mean great things in terms of golf results.

We get so, especially now in this era of Instagram stuff where it's just like, people gosh all the time, like, oh, look at the positions that Nellie like, oh look at the positions of Nellies in. Look at the sort of tempo that Nellie has. Like, yeah, that's awesome. That's cool, but that doesn't have it a lot to do with winning golf tournaments. It really doesn't, you know, it just, it's put in the ball in the hole. Yeah.

I don't think she's raw and unfinished though, right? Like she has really good stretches with her wedges, really good iron play most of the time and puts the lights out pretty regularly on the LPGA tour, right? It's not like it, I don't know, it just seems like on the biggest stages, we don't ever see that gas pedal. We don't see it. We've seen it one time at Lanath Lettaclub and that was Lizette gave her a really good run and she matched it. Like that was a really freaking good from Thursday through Sunday performance. And I just it just seems like she plays with a governor on of some kind. I can't describe it. It just it's rare to see somebody that has so many more physical gifts than the rest of the field. And I guess that's just

what is tended to lead to the disappointment from watching as a fan. I will say analytically speaking, the most interesting thing about Nelly this season is that she's near the top of all the different scoring average strokes game total statistics. She's losing shots per round with her approaches and still doing that. So if she just gets a little bit better there, watch out. I mean, because we all know how important that statistic is about the men's and women's game. For her to have negative strokes game approach per round and still be at the very top of the game. And, you know, this was her best finish in a major sense.

She won that women's PGA and Atlanta a couple years ago. Watch out. She gets that fixed underrated story that we hadn't talked a lot about this year. Is she changed equipment too? I mean, she changed the entire bag and, you know, this was the first major she played in the new equipment. And that's surprising about the approach play though. That's because I feel like when I've watched her, she gets

it down there so darn far that she, you know, has this advantage over the rest of the decent nine iron is going to be way better than a lot of hybrids that, from people that she's playing with. And that mathematically, she's just going to rise near the top. But, yeah. That that's final round against LaZette at the Atlanta. It was the perfect embodiment of that two totally different styles. Yeah. I was just going to say, um, it's, oh god, I just lost my train of thought because Grant Boone just texted me something. Uh, I just say a big big drop. One of the things I liked about your column is like, I think of great athletes. We ask a lot, right? And I think sometimes with LBGA players, there's this kind of like kids about your column is like, I think of great athletes we ask a lot, right? And I think sometimes with LBGA players,

there's this kind of like kids glove of handling. Like, oh, you know, we want, you know, to everybody to like each other and everybody's gonna grow the game and like, that's not what Nelly's asking for, right? Nelly's asking to be the best player in the world. And so, I liked that column because I was like, yeah, okay, show me that.

Like, I don't want it to be this to be about Nike ads. I don't want it to be about like, you know,. I don't want it to be about how many Instagram followers you have or how much people want this for you. I want you to show me you can take this next step. This whole year is gonna be about that. This isn't mean that it's not gonna happen. Pebble's gonna be a huge, huge moment for her because it's gonna be this big moment for the women's game

at this super cool course. And we're all sort of like, how great would it be for golf if Nelly tore apart the field? Like Tiger did at Pebble all those years back. It could be a huge moment. And so we're so we're asking for that because we all want it to happen not because we want to like shit on her. No, I think I wonder like, do we, how do I, how do I phrase this properly? Like do we fall for it because she's like almost six foot tall, like blonde American?

Are we, do we want it? You know, I watch some people that have less tools than she has, less stature, less physical ability outplay her relatively consistently. And I'm wondering, like, am I, are we, like, as media people, are we drawn to the hype of, like, someone that can have that kind of leverage and that beautiful of a swing and that might, like, we want her to be this bigger, a bigger star maybe than she is. It's a fair question.

I think there's certainly bias in that. We're all Americans and I think it's no secret that the LPGA would love a true, bona fide American superstar. And so anybody that seems to fit that mold, Lexi Thompson, is going to get gassed up. I think, I think Nelly's family pedigree plays into that some too, right? Her parents were very good athletes. Her brother is a great test player, so I'm sure everybody knows. It's just interesting. Like, who ever just said,

could she boat race the field at Pebble? Like, I absolutely think she could, right? If everything clicks and she feels really good for four days, she can go bury the field. What I would love to see or do is, hey, conjure something. You don't have that A game, the first two rounds, maybe the first three rounds, dig it out and, and, and, and go, you know, go scratch and claw and

fight for one. It's, it's, it's, I'll use like the luxury car analogy. She almost seems like that Sunday car that you only take out when it's super nice and the weather's good and you know you don't want to do too much work on it. But sometimes like, damn, I just want that car I can drive every day that I can beat up a little bit, right? She doesn't have to be a Lamborghini. Just be a really nice functional car. I'm stretching that analogy. I think what I remember that I was gonna say was, I think Nelly said it before this week, she's played really well and had good results,

but she herself has said it hasn't been her A game. And I'm sure she'll say after this week, listen, this wasn't my A game. And so it's almost a situation where you can look at it glass half full or glass half empty. However you want to view it, the optimistic take would be, damn, she just finished one shot out of a playoff at a major with maybe, you know, I'd love to hear from her,

but maybe her C++ game, which is a great place to be. She has a tremendously high floor. I just going back to Justin, your original stat. I want to see your goal. I freaking take one now and again. I have to make one quick amendment. Grant texted me as well. And it reminded me that that's what it texted me. That's what three of you is not come from behind to one of 72. All of it. She won. She came from behind after 36 to win In turn with them a short into 54, but the point remains like in a bit on a big stage like this She had your grant. She had your time on Friday. Yeah.

Let's just to come on. The man's locked in. It's all right. So my my last one I had and I know it she didn't finish the way she wanted to obviously on the final hole But a tie at Tidakud is an absolute superstar. Nobody has more birdies than the LPJ Tours since the beginning of last year. Nobody has more rounds than the 60s than the LPJ Tours since the beginning of last year. She's in the top 10 in both Strux came ball striking and Strux came putting in that span basically since she joined the tour. She's a problem every week and she's going to be around. I wouldn't mean obviously no one would be surprised. She won a major championship this year. So just,

I wanted to emphasize just another great performance out of her. And she's somebody that we're going to watch for a long time to come. What a freaking missed opportunity today. Oh, yeah. I'm interested. It was kind of a great again. But yeah, it was a frantic part of the telecast, but she's got a wedge into eight. She's sitting at 10 on her par as a wedge into 18 dumps it in the water, makes a double and finishes two shots out of the playoff. She stuffs a wedge. She wins it out, right?

She puts it on the green and two puts. She's in the playoff with Angel Yinn and Lily of food like that. That was a sneaky, sneaky devastating double bogey really happened on her t shot. Like why why she not able to carry those muckers? I mean's a little longer hitters on tour right like I said I don't know if she caught I didn't seem like she caught that that well. Not a lot of players were taking that route and I don't know if it hit a tree limb on the way down or what but she was she was watching that that one little curious. I thought I had a limb I could be mistaken but it just the ball fly wasn't I wish we had a head shot trace around 18 I know like seeing it take over those trees or take it left of those trees

It would have been a cool look. I I was joking like why don't they run over bring the shot trace from one of the other holes During the playoffs. So at least we could get that I Really it's up to the playoffs. I mean, that was I only have jokingly say this but aim Kim had that horrific shank right before Ataya played her third shot. I got if she saw any of that, just bad juju to put it in her mind. I'm sorry, Allison, for mislabeling you hitting that. My best mother's take earlier apologies. Allison was icing Angel a little bit there. I thought in the, uh, in, in, in regulation,

but that's a separate topic. Hey, Justin, we're going to get you out of here. But as, as you go, uh, will you tell the folks, what are you doing in terms of the Soulheim cup and, and where are you? Can folks find some of your work stats somewhere, plug something on the way out if you'd like? Yeah, so after every woman's major this year, I'll have an article up via the KPMG performance insights on LPGA.com. And me and my team are actually working directly

with the US Soul I'm Cup team this year, which we're really excited about. So I'll be in Spain with the team and I'm incredibly fired up about that opportunity. Cup team this year, which we're really excited about. So I'll be in Spain with the team and incredibly fired up about that opportunity. So, um, plus I've been working since I joined 21st group, 15th club. I worked for Team Europe and the Ryder Cup. I worked for the international presence, got team. I'm working, I have the red, white and blue this time. I'm not, I'm not it. And I've been letting all my colleagues know and love them. Like, we're bringing home a win. You got to, it's the shoes on the other foot now, guys.

All right. So sounds like a bit of a part of a lot of losing teams. I hope that changes over really quickly here for you, Jay. We do. Well, we know who to blame if the US soul arm cup team comes up short. I'm willing to accept that. So, hey, Jay Ray. Thanks so much for popping on.

Great stuff. As always, we got to do this a little more frequently. That, Jay Ray, thanks so much for popping on. Great stuff. As always, we got to do this a little more frequently. That's on us, but I really appreciate your time, man. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. Thanks, Justin. All right.

Hopefully next year you can get us some stats on the parts per million of sewage and minerals that are in the pond there. Could we start making fun of the tournament now? Oh my god. How would, like, seriously, could we pause this for a second of the water? Like, would you have jumped in the water? I would have. Can you be in, but I'm in on Randy's belly flop if you make the winning pattern 18. But yeah, Lillia should not have done the interview. She should have just ran straight into

the pond. That's the only way to do it. I've told this story before, but it was spring break. My sophomore year of college were down in Hilton head over the masters. And when Phil Mickelson made the putt to win his first green jacket, his first major, I darted out of our rental house and jumped into this lagoon behind our place and was just whooping it up for about three or four minutes in a neighbor came out

and said, you need to get out of there. There are gators in that pond. I may have had some adult beverages while I was watching the masters. So I say all that. I absolutely would have jumped in that pond today. You got to. I mean, come on. It could be the only time in your life.

Live it up. Apparently the gators were fake news, though. But apparently there were snakes in and around that world. That's worse. I don't. Yeah. There was a gator net though. Was that like for that was fake news? Well, that the net, there's no gators back in that community from what I've been told, like for the people that from my many friends that live in those mansions back in that neighborhood. But no, got a couple of messages. Like, yeah, there's no gators back here. Like we're totally fine.

But I'm sure I'll get 50 more snakes can get through that net, though. I hate it. Still a lot to talk about with this tournament. I want to give a shout out to our friends at rowback active where you all know rowback. These guys just understand quality. There's only one way to describe rowback. It is best fit best field guys. I got great news that pull over that I was so sad that I lost during the

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any more leaderboard stuff you want to do Randy or can we talk about the tournament as a macro? Um, I think there's a few more leaderboard items I'd like to, I'd like to hit on. Of course, Angelian, we've talked a lot about her. She, she's had a rough last 18 months, let's call it. I mean, hadn't had a top 20, solid on one top 20 since July of 2021 and has made $3,500 this year to this point. Yeah. And I don't feel bad at all for saying like, Hey, I will believe it when I see it on Friday night. But man, she played really freaking good golf. I hate that it went the way that it did for coming down the stretch, but it was good to see her with low tension out there in that golf swing, shape and golf shots.

And I mean, again, looking at this golf tournament, it's going to keep coming back to this golf course, right? So if it's profiles, a long bomb hitter, like that's got to be a really, really good thing for Angel Yen. Yeah. Totally agree. I just really like her. We've run into her many times. She just, she has so much energy.

She will just speak what's on her mind. I really, really, really, I'm a huge fan of Angelian, disappointed. I mean, I thought she would have been an unbelievable winner today too, but so happy that she has seemingly found some form. She seems to be healthy. I know a back injury played a big part in a lot of her struggles.

So just wanted to tie the knot there on, on Angel. I think we got it. We, we, we got a shit on Albanne balance whale a little bit in her decision on there. Yeah, just to set the stage, she was at eight under on 18 T. She knew that Liliavu was in the clubhouse at 10 under, meaning Albanin needed to eagle 18. Did she know? Did she know that they were saying on the barcasts they didn't think so, which I thought was a fuck up out. It's her fault. You got to know.

You got to know. And like they said, if she doesn't want to know, her caddy has to know. And for her not to even hit driver on 18, I mean, she took, she took any chance of reaching into out of it on the tee. And I don't know. I just, God, she hasn't been in this spot at all as a professional. And you don't know how many spots like that you're going to be a part of. I just think you owe it to yourself to go for it. I admittedly don't know enough about her game to say like she can get there

and two, right? But there's something about that t-shirt that made her very uncomfortable. Obviously, if she's hitting three wood, I don't know if she thought she could get driver over that tree around that tree, which way she wants to shape it or what it is, or even if with her best drive, if she'd got up there and known she couldn't reach or wasn't couldn't had no chance of holding the green. Again, I think with the TIO kind of stadium seating back there, she can bang whatever she wanted off there. If she could reach, maybe she reached that conclusion. Maybe they determined earlier in the week. We can't get there. There's no, it's just can't happen. I'd be surprised that was the case. How many Eagles were there on 18 today? I know Nelly did, but I mean, broadcast didn't really show a whole heck of a lot more.

Maybe that's it. Tough pin to get close to, but maybe you're hoping for a chip in, you know, to make it happen. That's the only excuse I can give her for not sending it down there. But they were perplexed on the broadcast, but I they didn't really spend enough time to kind of break that down to paint that picture for us of could she have gotten there. Yeah. So she powers 18 finishes at at eight under, tied for fourth. So the upshot is, you know, by far her best result in the major is a professional.

So kudos to her. She plays under the Swiss flag. So important, you know, I think she's hunting a spot on that European Soulheim Cup team. So a good result overall, but man, hated that decision on 18. A.L.M. Kim had a little, she was 10 under par when she made the turn, came home in 38,

made a par after shankin' it on 18. But she was swagging a little bit out there. She was walkin' some putts in, putter rays. I love her pre-shot routine. Like she really looks like she's gettin' down and ready to get steep on it. She kinda got a little TC pre-shot routine. Like she really looks like she's getting down and ready to get steep on it. She kind of got a little TC pre-shot routine, you know, in that part.

But I like watching the lip-gib play. She's got some really nice game. I do too. It's funny how much more comfortable she seems to as a chaser. You know, Grant on Friday talked about, like her being in the lead was such a foreign position for her and her US open coming

from behind. I hope she doesn't mind me sharing this, but our young hitter Lauren Cogland texted me during the round. It was like, Aylam Kim is so much fun. She is funny. Even in her broken English, she just is cracks people up. And so I thought that played for most of the day. She was paired with a tie at Tidacom and Manit just seemed like they were really vibing together. And then obviously it all came undone for both of them on the 18th, which was unfortunate.

I love Tidacol's energy. I think she's gonna be awesome. Like if she really develops into like a big time star, like she's great. Yeah. Sick golf swing. I really freaking love that golf swing. Yeah, she's 20, top five player. She's kinda, you know, as we looked to like, okay, who's the next LPGA player

to win their first major? It's her. I can just quickly give you some TC down the leaderboard thoughts if you guys will bear with me. I thought Allison Corpus hung in there today. Again, she found herself in a very unfamiliar position and very easily could have shot 78 today, I thought. And she hung in and she had a very, very solid week finished at tied for fourth, eight under par. I know not the final round that she would have liked, very solid week finished at tied for fourth, eight under par. I know not the final round that she would have liked, but I was impressed with just her ability to kind of hang in there.

As far as the Soulheim Cup goes, some nice results for... Sorry, before we get off that unforgivable spelling of Allison. I can't. I do not understand Allison with two else in the end. I don't know where that comes from, but it's just unforgivable for me. So it throws me way off. Can't do it. Can't do it. We'll do it. We can't have it noted. I wasn't going to talk about some soul. I'm but before I get there, I do want to say patty Tavitana kit went 77 76 on the weekend.

So do you want to answer for that? Yeah, that was Cody's pick. Cody hop on in here. Cody come in here. Listen, it was not a good weekend, but she, I will say this, she put us in a position where we're actually talking about her and the golf that she's back, the golf that she's playing on the weekend. Did, did I expect her to completely shit the bed this weekend?

No, but she at least put herself in a position for us to be talking about her again. And that's a weird in my books. Will you apologize? Simple question. No, absolutely. Will you apologize for? I do believe the patty is back. All right. Will you apologize?

I hear you Kevin. Just wait. What about the slow play? What about the slow way? Listen, I think Patty like has turned such a corner like Grant talked about it on Friday during the show. I think really making the cut in Arizona was like this huge weight lifted off of her shoulder. And there's like, another but good thing is coming up this year. Like again, I'll go back to this and I talked to like Meg had a joke, man. Will you apologize, man? I said, I'm a sincere show. Meg had a great work. I didn't use back. Meg had a great tweet on it. And like the fact that we can actually talk about her on the weekend is exciting at least for me. And it should

be for everyone else out there. Now KVV, we know that she is slow. It's been really. Lucy Lee. We're on. Lucy Lee. Lucy Lee. She is one of the like an absent tour in Amateur Golf. You like you name it. We know that she is very, very slow. And I give kudos to the chevron. I give kudos to the rules official. And for them to actually put, like, give a penalty via fine at a major championship. And I hope that Lucy uses this as like a lesson learned. And she fucking like turns it around because I don't like slow play. Nobody likes slow play. Everybody knows that she is a super slow player. And I am fine with that. It does

not change how I feel about her one bit. And nor should it. I just wanted to make sure that you were on the record. If we're going to hold Patrick Cantlay to account for his slow play, we can also hold, you know, NLU favor loosely. And I'll say the same thing to the PGA tour. Final. Write them up. That's all you have to do. Public, give us a weekly fucking slow play report, a monthly report, something, do something and kudos again to chevron and the LPGA tour for doing something here. As long as we're giving kudos, I want to give it kudos to NBC. They stuck, was it 90

minutes over their window on network TV to stay with the, uh, the tournament play and the, the playoff. I mean, maybe it's, you know, probably like if they never, if they didn't set the standard for many, many years of not doing that, it probably wouldn't be worth a kudos, but, uh, that's a changing of, of how that things have been done for a long time there. So I, I believe some credit is out there. Randy's hesitant to give credit. Hey, they can pat themselves on the back, but I wouldn't strain their arm too much for hanging with a major tournament that they're broadcasting.

Major. Uh, Jin Young Co. Shot a 68 today, finished tied for ninth. She's going to get that yellow box on her Wikipedia page, but I am here to tell you folks, this is the definition of a backdoor top 10. God, I love the yellow box. Let's just call them yellow box performances from now on. We don't need to say the Wikipedia part.

I love that. I'm such a huge Wikipedia guy when it comes to majors, but that's a yellow box performance from a junior co-editor. I would love to get in there and shade the, the true back doors. Let's shade them like red. I think they need to be distinguished. Speaking of again, yes, backdoor top 10 for a junior and co I will say this. She did not have a single round over par. She shoots rounds of 72, 71, 70, 68 for this backdoor.

Top 10. I don't know what else you want her to do on a Sunday when everybody else was completely lighting themselves on fire. She fires a final round 68 to finish at 700. What else do you want? I just wanted to play a little better the first three rounds. I mean, probably be a factor in the tournament. Yeah, I don't think that's that's too much to add. It's day on the hardest day that the course actually had teeth. We are upset because she shoots one of the rounds of the day.

I'm not upset about her performance today. I'll give you this on Thursday, not not so good. But hey, guys, can we talk about Jerry's stat about no number one player has won since Lydia co-did? Like is the world x women's rankings too much of an anvil around the neck to win majors? That's incredible. That is more incredible than nobody coming from outside of the top 10 to win since 1988 for me. That's not that many that have done on the men's side either. It's just, it's, it's, it's the, the gap between one and 10 is, is thin in ball and both sides of the aisle, I'd say there. I mean, I think there's, it's, it's, it's stuff. You're number one player in the world. You're coming in with at best a 10 to 12% chance of winning the golf tournament, right?

So back to 2016 for a number one overall winner. That's not like that. That's our since no number one player is one a major. So we're talking 24 majors that no number one, the number one player has one. That's a lot eight times. Wasn't it five majors, right? Well, five majors. 40 majors. Is that right? There've been 40 majors since 2016. Well, I don't know. 2020. I don't think we paid. We didn't play five in 20. Yeah, we didn't play five, but you get the idea. It is remarkable. And honestly, I don't think we need to have the conversation today. But at some point, we got to talk about Gin Young and her majors. I'm just saying, she's got two of them and that's great.

Are there the two fake ones? I'm just. There they are. I should have Ron and Avion. With what she shows us, the rest of the year and what we know her talent level to be I think it's a fair conversation Abbott at some point. How about this rule with women's majors? You if you've won one of the big three the three real ones your other ones count the Chevron and Avion count But you have to have won one of those and then the rest so if you've got to validate it

Yeah, if Jindy onoko wins a US women's open or a women's British or the women's PGA, she'll have three majors, but right now she has zero. I think that's a fair way to go about this. Okay, I actually like that. I like that. I know we're gonna talk about that a little, just a couple more notes, sorry.

Let's see what I wanna do. Our first round leader, PN Chain, finished that plus five tied for 49th. I think that's it. That surprises nobody. Long golf tournament. I want to shout out Eilik Galitski for being the top amateur. She came in at one over par tied for 28. That's a very good result.

She's playing. She has both. She has tie nationality and Canadian nationality. That's something to watch for, which she ends up playing under when she inevitably turns pro. And then you see the the Sohim Cup depth of the Europeans, Georgia Hall, Carlota, Segonda, and Celine Boudier all had very nice weeks in that kind of top 10 to top 20 range. So that's all I got really going on, leaderboard. All right. We had a pretty solid conversation on Friday, I think at the halfway point of this event, kind of discussing what what major championships are, what, you know, what the landscape of women's major championships look like.

I'm wondering if you guys feel any differently. I know not everyone listened to the show on Friday night, so we'll probably rehash a little bit of what we talked about then. But what's your guys' reaction to the first Chevron championship, major championship at Carlton Woods overall? Everything we just saw. I was just sort of sad at how a few people looked like they were there, you know, it just Carlton Woods overall, everything we just saw. I was just sort of sad at how a few people looked like they were there.

It just didn't really have the energy of what you hoped that would be. I mean, obviously, whether sucked, Karen was saying there was more people there on Saturday, but man, when you have a major championship and the final group is coming down the stretch and you see in like 25 people surrounding the green, that's tough.

Yeah, the lack of energy on the ground was just... It was cool. Yeah, and it's just not commensurate with what a major championship should be. That's a shame. Tough to know what weather did as far as that goes. Her rumors that people were being charged for parking, which listen, I think Chevron's got a ton of money. I would love for them to throw just a little bit of that. Maybe we cover parking, maybe we encourage more folks to get out to the tournament. I think logistics with some of the shuttles were a bit of a nightmare. I think, you know, it wasn't quite Keowa. Several years ago where the media members were just tweeting through their misery,

but I do know it was tough getting from some of the lots via shuttle to the course, which is a shame. I want to echo though what Karen said. I thought the course itself provided what I thought was a good challenge for a major championship, especially on the women's side. I thought it challenged them in a lot of ways. I thought it produced by and large a pretty interesting, entertaining leaderboard. I thought the closing line was a ton of fun.

So I don't want some of my complaints and criticisms to Outweigh what I thought was a very fun day at golf I Think if I were to grade this tournament and this first year at Carlton Woods, you know be minus maybe I think there's a lot to improve on but So I think you were maybe more outspoken. And so I want to throw it to you for your thoughts. I think I would then like the highest grade I would give it is a D if we're, if we're, if we're calling this a major championship. I think this was a standard

elevated LPGA tour event. Can you go into that? Because you kind of blew my mind Friday night when you're talking about a sponsored event versus a major championship. I mean, that's, that's, I, again, when you pull in the string of what majors are, it's kind of, it gets really shaky really quickly. Like, I don't want to have the whole conversation of how we ended up with four majors on the men's side, how we ended up with five on the, on the women's side. But there's three women's majors that have true identities. It's the US women's open. It's the AIG women's open, which has a sponsor, right? And so it's not just like if you have a sponsor, it ruins it. And then lastly, there's KPMG women's PGA, obviously, which has a

sponsor on it. And US women's open has been sponsored by ProMedica, at least last year was. So it's not like the sponsors ruin it. In fact, they help elevate the purse, they add a lot of value to it. But like that's literally what happens every week and every professional golf event, right? Is somebody, some sponsor puts up the naming rights of it and puts on a golf tournament.

And at one point, this tournament, this tournament was the Dynasture, which was, you know, held in Mission Hills for 50 plus years or whatever it was. And it had a history to it. And there was, that was kind of the story as to why it was a major. Evion is, I don't even know the full story, but a big purse, you know, tacked on.

It's like, hey, we'll, you know, we'll come do this if we can be a major. Which I'm like, even what is it? Then at that point, we're having the conversation of what is a major. And when you have the same graphics, like kind of same broadcast effort, dull crowd, really, and a golf course that's totally fine.

There's nothing wrong with the golf course, but not really like worthy of a major championship title, not one every single year. That's for sure. And I'm left with wondering other than being told a million times this week on the broadcast that's a major championship, nothing about that felt major, like none of it did. And I think it diminishes the value of the other major championships. I don't want to have this conversation. I want to support the women's game. I really do, but we have to be like totally honest and saying like when I when I when I watch a lot of it, it's had a great finish. Like a really fun finish, but the path to getting there was not worth it and not not barely even

elevated off of normal L LPGA Torban as a golf fan. You notice they can tell it's like, when we do all these deep dyes and stuff and you always like joke about how they have these like awesome intros where they're sort of talking about and then the little man from the accord could be Phil Nicholson. Like, why can't we have something like that? Like to sort of set the stage and like get you sort of pumped up, right? Like, give me some like music, give, give me some shots of all the,

will this be Nelly's moment to rise? Or will a new one contend? It's sort of a cheese dick thing that, like all negative, yeah. Absolutely. And I think that's where they struggle a little bit about like, just show me the characters. Give me, give me like that story of Lily Wu's family.

Like, you know, all that stuff. I just, I don't want to put this on the broadcasters. I thought work their tails off to like give us a fair amount of knowledge on all of these players. I don't think that's what's missing. It's just like there's no gravitas. Like, there was just, again, it felt like a normal week on the LPGA tour. That's fine.

I just like don't like being, I don't want to say lie to or like pretending like this is the same as when, when in the KPMGG or winning the US women's open a pebble. Like those two are not in the same bucket, I'm sorry. I'm not, I'm not sorry. Like that's just, that's just an obvious thing that like I feel like otherwise we're kind of pretending to elevate this thing. Will you, will you not apologize? I will not apologize for saying that.

Like come on, like it's on, it's on, I don't know. I don't, again, I want the women's game to expand. I want it to grow. I want it to succeed. And I don't think that's the path. Like, whatever the path is, I don't think it's what we saw this past week. I don't want to rush the judgment on it. Like, you know, it takes years and years and years to build up major championship

pedigree. It was probably never going to happen in year one. I know they're going to renovate the course some. I just don't think they're that close to solving it. It's an overall feeling of watching that. Now it was the sentiment I gathered online and I struggle to see it expanding at this location. So you're a very good point. I can't disagree with any of them. I guess where I would maybe just drill in and have some nuance is we'll be very curious what type of changes

they're gonna make to the course. The word is they're gonna start immediately. Again, having like a pretty challenging stretch 13 through 16, you got a par 317, you got a reachable par 518. I can squint and see the bones of a course that, you know, can play host. Now, is it the best course? Is it the best place they can be?

No, it's not. I just, I want to try to like it though, because it's going to be there at least for the next five years. Now, it's all what you said and KVV what you said is exactly right. And I've been banging this drum for years and years is the way they present the golf tournament is just where this comes up, woefully short of what a major should be. They had an hour of peacock streaming, but essentially Saturday and Sunday, they had an hour on golf channel and then two hours on NBC. So you get six hours of TV coverage at a major on a weekend. That's not acceptable. There's no place to go for dedicated streaming. I would have loved to have watched the Nelly group all 18 holes. I would have loved to have kind of seen her first six holes. I would have loved to flip over and watch Lily Avue,

you know, when she's making a charge. The lack of streaming is a huge problem. And then, yeah, I think there's just ultimately falls on golf channel, NBC, the higher ups. There just doesn't seem to be a lot of resources put into making this feel like a major. KVV, you're absolutely right with some intros trying to build narratives, trying to build storylines.

That's honestly, it's inexcusable. I mean, it really is. I read Beth Ann Nichols came out with a piece today. A lot of leaders from around the world of golf converged at Carlton Woods earlier this week to talk about the women's game and how they can move it forward. Golf Channel's Molly Solomon was there. I would love to hear what she thinks about how they put this broadcast forward and whether they could do more because I just keep waiting for them to make an investment, for them to try to elevate some of these events. And I don't see it. And that's really a shame. And we can

cry resources. We all know why, right? But until somebody just makes the decision and makes, you know, like we have to make some decisions that aren't necessarily about immediate dollars and cents here. Yes. And nothing's going to change until that happens. No, somebody needs to be the example. Biggie brought up course, renovations, whatever they're doing and injecting money into it. I believe it's just greens and sand.

I know sand was a big concern going in drainage. Just drainage. Yeah, just because I'm sure, you know, knowing Nicholas designs, I'm sure there's going to just going to be more catch basins out there, which yeah, is. I'm like, what you described to that back nine is just like, that's a typical LPGA course. Like a lot of them have holes and setups like that that are totally fine. There was again, there was nothing wrong with it. Like, there were interesting elements to the course, interesting fair punishments of of bad shots getting punished and good shots,

getting rewarded and things like that. But I think they could use some green expansion out there. There's just no, there's no gravitas to the course at all. And when you compare it to the major championship lineup of venues that they're going to play over the next several years, this sticks out like a sore thumb. Like it is not close to the, there's been so much elevation in the top courses that are played at the top.

And I think that's a lot of the things that I've been doing. I think that's a lot of the things that I've been doing. venues that they're going to play over the next several years, this sticks out like a sore thumb. Like it is not close to the, there's been so much elevation in the top courses that are played in the women's game. And like to tack this on, it just feels like it should not be the same category. I'm sorry. I'm not sorry. Big, per your point, like ESPN found out that when they started investing in the women's

basketball tournament and like showing more stuff that a lot of people really wanted to watch. Yeah, we can have. What a big surprise. Like the reason that like the Iowa, you know, basketball team became such a huge seeing. Obviously, it was Caitlin Clark, but like, hell, there might be a Caitlin Clark out there. It might be, you know, Lilia Vu. It might be, you know, authentically like, like, might be Nellie Corta and the- You just went into her story, KVV.

You don't think Lilia Vu is a good story? Totally. You should be singing that from the mountain tops today. I think of the same thing when you think of like companies and like why they aren't investing monies into women's athletics, specifically professional athletics. And then I remind myself of like what NIL money is like right now and like three of the top five earners are all female athletes.

And you're like, what the hell? What, why is this not coming up on the professional side of it? But I will say this, well, you didn't see other, I mean, whole and one on Saturday, Chevron Donates, what was it? A million bucks, the charity, like cool. But like, you know, this purse is a $5.1 million purse.

It's went up a $100,000 from last year because the Aramco Saadi ladies invitational was at $5 million. Like they moved it up because they had to differentiate themselves from that event. There's a multitude of other things that you can do outside of purses to make this stand like on its own and make it feel like a major championship. But there's also something inherent in it that you can't like, all right, the nice cars for the, for the past champions and I'm sure the women have nothing but good things to

say about the tournament and, and all of that stuff, right? But there's just like, which is important, which I would say is important. Again, for the LPGA, right? But like, the majors are kind of about the fans, right? It's about, I think it's not this major. It sure, it didn't feel like it was about the fans. That's what I'm saying. That's exactly what I'm saying.

It's like this, and that was not the solution to it. Tony, I see your comment. Tony Aguilare in the comments said, mentioned that Chevron is literally worth $320 billion. Right. So I'm sure they have a budget for D&I initiatives. And it's it's great. I don't want to just bag on them. I want to kind of evolve this into, okay, well, where could the LPGA go?

Right? Or what are some other options? What do other options look like? Like, like Memorial Park. Go down the road. And that's what I'm curious about the optics of playing a major at a course that hosts a normal PGA event.

I don't know the answer to that. That event is probably going directly in front of the masters, right? So we're talking about events back to back months. And that's probably, I mean, like, do you want the answer, Randy? So we're talking about events back to back months. And that's probably, I mean, like, do you want the answer, Randy? Like the answer. It's a women's master at a Gus National. Like that's the only thing that like really, you can, that's the only thing that would become a major in my mind. I'm sure. Yeah. I realized how far of a cry

that was probably like also a women's amateur tournament at a Gus National sound like a far cry 10 years ago. I would have imagined so but that's kind of the only thing I really do think. Sure to that and I will say we saw Augusta put on a tournament in the fall. It is doable. I think that would be a wonderful place to put a women's masters as the last major of the year anywhere in golf would have the spotlight all to themselves. Hey, you saw Augusta in this spring. Now you get to see it one more time in the fall. Too good to be true there. Short of that, and I would also throw, sorry, TPC Stargrass in the, hey, that would have my attention as a, as a course. Jay, you want to be, that's such a proud supporter. You want to come up for photo shoot days?

Yeah. Or do you want to actually like support this tour? And that's, and that's, that pisses me off too. You're going to get me angry again. It's like, yeah, the PGA, and I think I don't want to put Chevron in this group, but I think it's easy for a lot of companies, uh, the PGA tour being one to say, Hey, look, no, we have this strategic partnership with the LPGA. And when you really drill down in that, it's like, well, what does that mean? Like, what are you actually doing?

For example, check the box, bro. Yeah. And that's what it feels like. I will say the LPGA, if you're going to own and run a major, I actually think they're sitting on it and they need to pivot to the founders cup being the fourth major, get rid of Chevron as a major. If Chevron wants to become the title sponsor of the founders cup, great. Get rid of Evian as a major. The founders cup was started as a way to celebrate the original founders of the LPGA tour. You have the history built in right there. You can use it to celebrate the history. I don't know how many are living original founders these days.

They, I know we've, we've had a couple pass away, but you could bring in the legends of the game every week. They've actually played the last several years at wonderful courses up in New Jersey. They're going to play it again at Upper Montclair Country Club, which looks very nice. That's sweet. The founders cup needs to be the major that the LPGA owns and operates in my opinion.

Yeah, it's, it's not Chevron's fault. No, no, no. I don't think that they're doing anything necessarily wrong in this. Yeah. Just like, dude, you just can't fake majors. Well, let alone if you're going to invest in like move it from a location that does have history, that might have been getting a little bit stagnant and move it to your hometown, which I understand. The hometowns got a rally around it. I mean, the woodland's had a

fucking iron man on Saturday morning that like caused traffic delays. People like you couldn't get to the course. Everything was thrown out of whack. Like it takes more than just their little secluded multi million dollar community to rally around this. It takes a city. And that's what you get when like all these big events are in the Midwest or somewhere else when you look at the Toledo's and you look at the Michigan event and you look at like, you know, the boy. Yeah, all these other places that like, oh, mom, this is what they get, you know, that's it. And that's why you see this like overwhelming ground swelling and support for it. And that's why you see this like overwhelming ground swelling and support for it.

Anything else on the LPGA front. We got we got some some men's stuff to talk about this week as well. And it was before we wrapped there. That's it. I'd say the only other interesting nugget. But like I mentioned before, Beth Ann Nichols has a piece at golf week about this meeting of golf leaders. I thought the only other thing you could take away Stacy Lewis on the subject of joint events, Beth Ann Quotes, are saying, I think he, he meaning Commissioner J. Monahan of the PGA tour, I think he realizes that they need to do more, said Stacy Lewis. He said that to me multiple times yesterday. It's just now whether we can push it forward and actually do something about it. And I would say a freaking man and the proof will be in the pudding. Yeah, just I instead of words like I would love to see some action because last week there

are all hot and bothered about this new champions tour three way match play thing that's the same weekend as their joint PGA tour LPGA tour event. So which one is a priority form? The old guys, or having a joint event with the ladies, they need to figure it out. I'm glad they had that joint event. That's I was just waiting for that. Like so many fans asking for that. Anika's over playing in the Champions Tour program as a celebrity. Like why isn't Michelle at Michelle? Is that the AAM invitational and Vegas? Yeah.

It's just I don't know. I guys, I got very little from Zurich. I'm not going to lie. Davis Riley and Riley Davis got the win. I read that joke was worth using. Nick Hardy as well. I think this event fits in better now with the designated event model that's like very clearly. This is the second tier event. And it's a fun little variable from the other second tier events. And I really have enjoyed the cadence a little bit more on the PGA tour this year just to be able to be like, now instead of me thinking the Zurich sucks, like I just go in knowing

it's second tier event and I view it totally different. Like it's totally a delight to have on. It doesn't really matter a whole lot to me who wins or who doesn't win. It's there for entertainment purposes and it's served its purpose this week. I would say to that. So I think that I think that's right. I I I was really glad to see Colin and Max play and I love that they teamed up and I know both guys are out of gas from the schedule the last several weeks, but I'm glad they played, and I'm also disappointed they missed the cut.

What a bad show for them. I thought the only way that this could have mattered for me is if they came out and were like kicking ass. And like maybe like Xander and Cantlay were, kind of going head to head, whatever that would have, maybe I would have flipped over and I'd been like, all right, I definitely want to watch some of this. Especially in an old shot setting today.

Yeah, it would have had a Ryder Cup time of feel like, but obviously that just was a big whiff of that, you know, it didn't work out. So I do wonder if, if it, if they should just go all shot all the way, right? I mean, the, the four ball really kind of bogs it down a little bit. It's so hard to make a move in four ball. And really if you shoot six hundred, you're just going backwards. I, I don't have it. I mean, I'm sure, you know, there's a lot of reasons why they

don't do that. But I found some of the scores to be interesting. Like Nick Hardy and Davis Riley shot 64, 66, 63, 65. So they shot 13 under an ult shot and shot 17 under in four ball, which is really, really freaking close. Zander and Cantlay shot better in all shot and they did in four ball. Wow. They went 67, 63 again, the 63 is in all shot and they went 66, 66 in the weekend to not win. You know what we call that. That's a McKenzie huge.

But there are two best rounds. Number one and T2 rounds for the week were both in all shot, which I found that to be, they should have won this tournament, obviously. Keith and Sungjae were an awesome team. They were absolutely killing it in the interviews this week. That was the most personality I've ever seen out of Sungjae. Keith got a lot out of them and was kind of talking about quizzing him on what positions were for football. And he said, go bulldogs. And that was, that was, that's the essence of this event, I think, is like embrace some of these relationships and some fun personality elements to it. And I thought that was really fun. Is it, is a good thing or bad thing that Devall and John daily played? Like, I mean, I saw

that they shot like 45 on one of the nines. Just like, I mean, I definitely play with a lot of guys who put up 45 on nine and are like, oh, that's a good score for me. But to see that, I was like, wow, that's pretty bad. Solly, I think you and Cody could have could have beat that. I think like not to, you know, no pressure, but I look at other veteran actually, it's signed me the fuck up. It's a non serious event. Because there this is a non serious event. Because this is a really non serious event in my mind. And the more serious you take it, the worse off it is.

So through that lens, I don't have a problem with daily and do all playing in it. I just again, BJ tour has been decimated for talent. Like there has been like a ton of talent has left the PGA tour and they've congregated the talent in certain events this year, right? It's a weird year. There's going to be a lot more events this year that are very laughable at the how the bottom of the field gets filled out and it has been so far to this point. So that's just a casualty of live is like there's, you know, get the next guy up off the

corn fairy list or whatever it was going to be or past champ or bring John daily out, like who's going to put some more butts in the seats, like it's probably going to be your past champ or bring John daily out, like who's going to put some more butts in the seats? Like it's probably going to be John daily. Like I'm sorry. And that's just a reality of pro golf. Does anybody know, did daily write in a cart at all this or did he just, we actually hoof it the whole time before the mystic. I would just pass the air.

I will say this. Shout out, hit her a long brand and Matthews T7 with his shot or with his partner, Sean O'Hare, likes seeing that. And surprising like, dude, obviously he hits a ball in absolute mile, but his short game was like, pretty good when I saw him on air today. He's gotten his games gotten pretty darn tidy. I'm very excited for for brand and Matthews. This, this would have to involve some shuffling of the schedule. And I know that we have the silly season exhibition, PGA LPGA team event. But the Zurich just screams to me as it should be one PGA player, one LPGA player.

For sure. You know, you want to bring juice to this event. That's, that's the way I would be interested. Yeah, I mean, it's just weird how you can get FedEx cut points based off somebody else, how somebody else played, right? Like that is freaking weird to me, right? It shouldn't be for all the OWGR issues

that there are also out there, like this is a factor in OWWGR, does it? No. Okay, never mind. We'll ignore that part. But anyways, like you can get, what's it? Torbjorn Olsen lost 10 shots to the field in ballstrike in this week and his partner gained seven and a half shots.

And so, I don't know. It's weird that you try to pretend like this actually counts in something versus it being more of an exhibition. But I'm trying to think, you know, when Brooks had Chase as his partner here, it felt like there was a lot more of an uproar about it compared to this year with Matt having Alex out there. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, wasn't Alex like a little bit more of an accomplished player than Chase was? I mean, it seemed like, wasn't like Chase was even really like a great junior player like Alex was. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

Maybe I'm overthinking this as just we just discussed like who cares? Yeah. That's what we say with you. We don't care. We don't care. Not a bad segue, though, for I think what's coming next. Oh, Randy wants to talk about live Adelaide. What?

What? What do you highlight some live Adelaide, buddy? I will say this, I didn't watch any of it, but just seeing some of the clips on social media, it seemed like the the atmosphere was outstanding, which I not really surprised. I mean, take a take a good event, put it in Australia, where

folks are thirsty to watch world class golf and some of the biggest names in golf. And that's not a surprise to me. I can't really tell you that too much beyond that, except I think Chase Cup came a whole and one at some point. He did. He did.

They live invented throwing beers on the playing surface after a whole and one as well. Guys, I got it. I figured it out. What if live is just all Australia? Like just all the way up the gold coast and back. I love it. I hear that. Sweet. Yeah. I've got I've got some notes here if you're ready for it, but it includes that, right? So got some thoughts as you might imagine on live Adelaide by by all measures. I would have to say it looks like an extremely successful event. The fan interest appeared to be very real, the atmosphere, very real. Look like a lot of

people were having a lot of fun with that. Australians have made it very clear that they are hungry for some pro golf. They went to a good golf course by it looked kind of easy, but I was intrigued to watch that golf course. I turned it on and I enjoyed seeing those bunker cuts and that whole setting in that area of the world is freaking awesome. And it offered like a different product that I think was a refreshing change of pace from what we've seen from live so far. Like I think, I got countless messages this week

from people being like, oh, look what the PGA tours missing out on a really fun vibe. I think that's of course very fun. I would say to those people, I would recommend directing those messages that those thank yous to the sugar daddy. Mohammed bin Salman, the sugar daddy of live golf is what has brought that event up on the shores of live Adelaide. I think that's where, you know, if live golf looked like what Adelaide looked like, I could understand the appeal and the people that claim to be so in love with live golf looked like what Adelaide looked like. I could understand the appeal and the people that claim to be so in love with live golf. I could understand that. I really could if it was like that because that offered something different than what we've seen. Now, again, make no mistake. This is the first one of

these we've seen that looks like this. And it, again, if it felt like this was the future of it, I also think I might feel differently about it, but they're gonna go to Singapore next week and it's gonna be nothing like that. It's gonna look a heck of a lot more like the other events look like. And I think if a live tour was just based in Australia, how interesting would that be? Like that would be pretty freaking interesting, right?

If the demand is that real, then you're offering something that is really appealing to golf fans. But again, that's not what this thing is. It's not the Australian golf tour. It's towards a sports watch sports washing exercise for Saudi Arabia and the Australians certainly were very willing to help the Saudis with that this weekend. And I feel very happy for the people that are down there. I continue to say the same thing when it comes to Australian golf. Like I love it. I think it's some of the best in the world. I wish we

saw the best players in the world play down there. Hopefully in my adult life, we do get to see that. But there's also just some realities and pro golf that are of course part of the consideration if you don't have a sugar daddy. And if it was only about getting, you know, people to show up in person, there'd be a big event down there. If there was a $25 million purse, I have a feeling the top players in the world would end up down there. I would love it to happen. I'd love for the top players in the world to love it to happen, but it just doesn't seem that eminent again. I'm happy for the people down there They were able to enjoy the event. They got served something by look off that I don't think the rest of the world can say they've been served by live golf to this point They've benefited from it. Me as a golf fan. I do not think I've benefited from it greatly. They've not offered me a different something that I'm looking for when it comes to

You know professional golf, if you will um, and's just, that's kind of my reaction to it. I'm amazed that how many people in the ground want us to like change our thoughts on this because they had a good time down in Australia and they got to see some good golf in person. I just don't know what this changes. Well, I don't want to, I don't want to respond to all that. And there's a lot. I read all that. Well, no, I just think what would I just said about the PGA having that strategic alliance with the LPGA. I mean, the same thing holds true with the DP World Tour, the former Euro Tour. Like, I think, you know, and especially in light of kind of the fan involvement and enthusiasm that was on display this weekend, man, Jay, figure out a way to get a real PGA tour event

down in Australia, right? Like that's like when we talk about strategic alliances and trying to grow the game and certainly on a global level, like I just feel like that's the stuff that should really come to the forefront. So that's all I wanted to say. KVV, please react to what Sally said. So I'm with Sally in the sense of I always said

that if every week was like the waste management, like I could see where the could sort of say, hey man, like we're younger, we're sort of more cool, we're, you know, we're the hip sort of future of golf. But it's not. Like there's a lot of tournaments that live that are just really, you know, a kind of a ghost town. And so like I think it's awesome.

I love Australian golf in general, just like Sally. I also think that like a lot of the blame that's constantly directed at the PGA tour by Australian fans is a little bit unfair, right? Because, and here's why. Here's why. You ought to direct some of that blame on like Australian corporations

who are not willing to put up the money to have golf tournaments there, because obviously money runs the world. The reason why you're having a golf tournament in Australia that you care about is because someone is putting up a massive amount of money with no Expectation of any return other than sort of reputational. So like if you're okay with that Then then and everyone gets to make their own decision on that then that's awesome

Like I wish that there was turning old I wish that money didn't run as much of the world of golf that it did But it does and so your anger as an Australian ought to be more directed at your own sort of, and look, you can make the argument to me that like how dare you like Australia is, you know, it's got a, you know, a population of people who are sort of underserved and definitely need, you know, more help. Why should we be putting money towards professional golf? Like, I get that man. I'm going to have that conversation.

I hear it. But man, like, it's, it's not the PGA Tour's fault that there aren't PGA Tour tournaments down there. Like, it's that, their American corporations are putting up 20 and $25 million to host a tournament. You show me an Australian tournament that would put up 25, 30, you might get,

like a tournament down there. You get a fall tournament down there. Maybe you could get more, you know, I mean, Tiger Woods used to go down there for a shit ton of money. And that's not happening because that money dried up. And so like I get that, like you've been dissent by fires and natural disasters and all kinds of shit.

I'm not saying you should put up this money. I'm saying direct your anger at someone else or just kind of enjoy that sort of stuff that you have with live. It's great. I don't have to watch it, but I hope you can enjoy it. Guy, one counter argument to that, like the PGA tour does continue to go after US organizations

to sponsor these events, and I don't think that they're actively searching out any organizations in Australia because they're desperate to have an Australian event. At the same time, they literally laid over when the fall schedule became what it was, and they increased Fed points and everything else They put a complete wet blanket over everything that the Aussie PGA tour had going So the fall wraparound sucked ass forever. I understand that side of it and I understand and say yes That there should be like if they want a big event down there There should be an Aussie corporation or somebody like that that stands up and says, here's the money because yes, people will come play if you

put up the money. It doesn't really matter if it's a JP McManus program or if it's a certified event, it does not matter, but at the same time, if the tour really wanted something in Australia, they would have put CAA or CCA or whatever the agency out there and and and said figured the South for us. That's not the case. I will say we we talked a lot at the beginning of the year about where a lot of these live guys washed and the masters showed us that some of them definitely are not and I think like Taylor Gooch is a good example. He won this whatever the stroke play was eating by 10 after two days. If it was four days, I don't know how sure Taylor Gooch takes home that trophy, but you

know, I think like Taylor Gooch is obviously still good player. So I would love to see Taylor Gooch do well in the majors. I would like to see him continue to play in the majors because I think he's obviously someone with a potential to play good golf. I, you know, but if he doesn't, then that's what the money is for and that's what he's chosen. That's where it is again, where people have frustrations with this is like that. What just happened in Adelaide had a very clear identity, right?

It was a concert at night. There were so many people there. There were people lining the fairways, an awesome atmosphere around the watering hole. Like that was a really fun atmosphere. But like if you're gonna play music and you're gonna have teams and you're gonna have Lori Cantor cycling in to play the final round because someone got hurt.

Like you can't also want to owe WGR points and want to be treated like serious golf. It's just inherently unserious. But like that is your identity. Like have that identity. Stop trying to sue back into professional golf and get world ranking points and trying to sue back into PJ Tor events and take up lawsuits with the DP World Tour.

You can't try to be all of these things. That's where some of the frustration lies. Right. If you, if these do just went and go, went and played this tour and just did what they just did in Adelaide, it would be a footnote in the conversation on this show weekly. And it would just be like, Hey, I'm still kind of bummed that these guys chose to do that to play exhibition golf rather than play competitive golf. But that's kind of the reality of it, but it's, it's, they want all things

and you can't have all things, right? And I don't know, this, this week should be a signal to them of like, again, what we are and what we should be able to do and can do. And let's focus on that and not, you know, these unsuccessful lawsuits we have in 80 million countries. focus on that and not, you know, these unsuccessful lawsuits we have in 80 million countries. Let's eventually, I think we're going to just get some adults and don't we just have to figure out a way for the tours to get along and carve out stretches where the top guys, if they so choose, can go play these types of events in areas such as Australia, where there's a dearth of high level professional golf. I mean, I don't know if that's going to take five years, 10 years, but it seems like we're going to get there eventually.

Let's just get the egos and the animosity out of the way and get there sooner than later. It won't be live golf that you're not, it's not live. And that's fine. A Saudi backed series. If that's the case, right? It'll be a PGA tour, like a If that's the case, right, it'll be the PGA tour, like a actual path to resolution is a PGA tour season that runs January through August and then an Aramco series, whatever that goes around and puts up a shit ton of money and different parts of the different countries around the world, weird formats, whatever it is, exhibition golf, it's not serious. It's not OWGR. That's what that looks like. That's the path to that, I think. There's no way people are going to be able

to play live in the PGA tour. Like that's just not going to happen. If the court, assuming the courts follow what's going to happen, what has happened at the DP World Tour level as well, which is probably a safe assumption at this point. Yeah. The one thing that I'll say, just talking about like the actual nuts and bolts and golf that has played like, Gouge is really, really good. I'm honestly kind of excited because again, like the Tulsa event as weird as a golf course is are going to like it's another part of the world, what doesn't really get professional golf last year. Obviously, Tulsa have like the PGH championship. It was the center of the golf world, according to FullsWig. Yeah, of course, but

I think that's like really cool for places that are underserved. And I think if you'd ask like live or if you ask the live supporters, we have multiple of them in the chat tonight. I appreciate them coming. I know. I know. Parka Pro, Eric and tour pro, I know it's past your guys' bedtime and mommy hasn't talked you in yet, but like, I appreciate it's past or guys' bedtime and Mommy hasn't talked to you in yet, but I appreciate it.

I agree with you guys. It is really cool. And Adelaide was a great vibe. And I just don't think that's replicated everywhere you go in every single event, nor do I think it should be, because you can compare it to Phoenix, all you want, and everything else like that.

What I think is missing and why I was so excited about PGL or live or anything else like that is the team like the team side of it. And I still don't think they're doing a very good job like talking about the team and the team racing the team championship and all that shit. And when I tried to be engaged in it, like I just they need to figure out like what's what side is more important? What what my more Jack this week, because Chase kept it got a whole in one, which was awesome, in a cool scene, or the fact that like, Gucci just, like, steamrolled everybody for two rounds and almost lost it on the third day. And then somehow, like, it was completely missed on me that the four ACEs won. I'm like, what? Everybody's talking about the ACEs. What?

I understand that, but like, how, like, where am I supposed to go to find all this stuff? Like, it's still like, they're the way that they're packaging it. It needs to improve. This event I guarantee you will be like their pinnacle event for the year, which is great because it truly was like exciting to watch and see everything on social and everything else like that. But like, everything else is just going to continue to fall short. Yeah, it's, it's not time to fly the banner, right? Again, it's going to go right. I mean, I don't know what Tulsa is going to be like. I really don't, but it won't be like that. I

imagine I know Singapore won't be like that. And I bet they'll be chucking bears and King, King Abdul economic city. Thank you for putting it. Yeah, for not saying Jeddah, Randy, because it is a disgrace that King Abdul economic city and all of the virtues putting it. Yeah, for not saying Jetta, Randy, because it is a disgrace that King Abdul economic city and all of the virtues that it provides is doesn't get recognized on the schedule. You guys are welcome to come up to me and go to, you know, the DC event or the Jersey event. I think I'm going to go to one of those. I'm going to get some boots on the ground again for some live observations. So I'm sure you guys are dying to spend time

away from your family. I don't know. I don't know. Did you put in permission with big? I don't know if he's going to improve that. I don't know. I'm not sure that's been. I know.

That's an out of pocket expense. It's just a drive from my house big. We can handle the gas money for that. No, put a DM on that day. I'm sure. I'm sure Liv can give me the gas money, frankly. If very little coverage, just float me a little extra, little travel expenses. That's like the TSA line where they pull the baggage out.

We're gonna have to take a closer look at this one. Don't go to a chevron station because they're tapped out now, I guess. To close it, I think the more Liv could or would focus on the global part of what they keep saying that they're about, the better for them. They pretend like they don't want to win the US, but they do. Like, they have nine of their 14 events are in the United States. Like, they're most, some of their most successful stuff,

I think, is going to be overseas, I think. And I don't know. It just seems like everything we get, like locally in the US is literally knockoff of PGA tour. Like, they're going to Maya Coba, they're going to Greenbrier, they're going to Dov Mountain. They're giving like a diet version. Like if they went and played interesting golf courses, like this one, an interesting, you know, it's obviously an interesting

and different format and an interesting locations. It's just a very different thing than like, again, what we're gonna see in Singapore and other places going forward. Which is a lot coming from Proud West Virginia right there. He's not so pretty. One thing too much. It's cool, but it's like, we've seen it.

The PGA Tour event there wasn't very good. So it's the live event going to be like, come on. The one thing to say, did you see Richard Blan take a little shot at Eddie Peparell on Twitter? Just to continue like, shitting on the sort of tours that helped make you put you in a position to make this a normal amount of know, there's some players who clearly, like are sort of in a little bit of a, you know, a bubble.

And I'm sure they would say that we're sort of in a bubble, but like we're separate from the players, we're media stuff, we're gonna sort of have opinions and stuff, but like I just don't get exactly why the players continue to shit on, like, other players are shit on the tours that where they came from. Like how was Richard Blan, who was an absolute nobody on the European tour

for 22 years? Where does he get off like criticizing and shitting on Eddie Pepperel and saying, Oh, you're 15 minutes of fame. I guess you didn't see. I got, I got some color to add to this. Yeah. For his, his tweet was, er, Eddie said something about like, Yeah, we've, we've tried a lot of things, blah, blah, blah, but, you, but you know, we've tried and done plenty of

different stuff over the years on the European tour and DP World Tour. More than every other tour combined, probably can't tell you how many juniors have hit it inside me in part three's in Holland. He's talking about fun things they've done on part three's and Blandee replies, Ed, tell me we're on the DP World Tour where there's been a hole like this because in 22 years of playing the tour, I can't think of any, but maybe you are 15 minutes on tour, you know different. years of playing the tour, I can't think of any, but maybe you are 15 minutes on tour, you know different. And somebody in asking and asking the questions for tonight's show. So BX, Mog 88 said was Blandy on the sauce when he started throwing shade at Eddie

Pepperoll and Eddie replied, so yeah, he had to be what we all say silly things when alcohol is involved. Either way, I haven't taken it personally. And Blandy did reply and said, unfortunately, I did have too many last night. And apologize for what I said. I should make a good tweet under the influence. That's pretty good. So I would say Blaney is absolved of any crimes here.

Okay. But I do think they all get together and they all whip each other up and they all are so like they fed this propaganda. And they want to like believe all these things about outside forces and everyone's against you And everyone hates you and they just can't resist their urge to just chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp at all times So it's like dude just go count your millions just go count the money. What do you think DJ's like in those meetings? Sally Oh, oh, I'm good. I'm doing Twitter man. I'm not doing that. I'm not taking shots. I'm good. I'm good. I do Twitter, man. I'm not doing that. I'm not taking shots. I'm good. I'm good.

It is weird of lay like not only the players, but like their supporters and I'll get these two chuckleheads riled up again. Like the victim mentality of being like, oh, how come we have to, we act like this because everybody's trying to shit on something that like we're desperately trying to support like, no, man, like nobody, nobody is saying that you have to compare your events to like PGA tour events. Like that's not, that shouldn't be your benchmark of like success at all. Like just go to your thing. If that's the thing that you want to do, I don't quite, like, I don't get it anymore. Uh, this weekend, uh, we have Kyle Porter in the, in the, in the comments as well.

This weekend James Han tweets was very unprovoked shot at at Kyle Porter from James Han. Max tweeted or somebody tweeted one of the live bots said Taylor Gucci's everything Max Homo wants to be, which is sick. Like that's Max. You can't fall for this, right? Like this is obviously a parody. You can't fall for this kick. Give him the attention. Max, you're supposed to be off Twitter, man. It's our narcotic. Get off of it. Max said the books I've read say I should give back to people in need. So here is that attention. You're craving. Taylor is a great dad and a great golfer. Hope he wins this week by 20. These live stand accounts are truly the worst. James Han has entered the chat and quote tweets it and says, not any worse than PGA tour fan

boy accounts. I got Kyle on my jox trap 24 seven. It's not any better than on the other side. And to think the PGA tour is encouraging this type of behaviors, absolutely disgusting. And he's referring to a Kyle Porta tweet that says, speeds back probably hurts from carrying James Han around for the last seven years. I mean, I got to say I spent all week with Kyle at the Masters, James, you didn't come it's back probably hurts from carrying James Honda around for the last seven years. I mean, I gotta say I spent all week with Kyle at the Masters, James, you didn't come up. So I don't know about 24-7, maybe like, maybe like one out of, you know, 38 hour,

you know, as times I'm sure what I would tip for that phrase that, but, you know. Yeah, yeah. I'd say to my gay James, just if you don't wanna get dunked on, stay out of the paint, big man. Make a business decision. Like a, again,

we call him to make a challenger shot. Paul C. Baker on the PGA tour. Yeah. He's just lip-standing the whole time. That's what just blows my freaking mind about all of it. He hadn't tweeted since March 6th too. Like we have to kill this segment on the show because he stopped tweeting

and just comes off the top rope for that. We didn't need to bring this up because the replies got to him very quickly. And he was feeling a probably pretty quickly after that. So nobody talks about James Law and more than we do, I guess. It's the only kind of thing where James comes up in the world of golf.

Like James, I wish you success. You're always welcome to come on this podcast and talk about your position. But you know, I think I don't think there's any like, no, there's no PGA tour talking points. There's no PGA tour fanboy staying accounts. Like nobody roots for the actual PGA tour. Oh, I can't. We took multiple shots of like the commissioner during this like, we shot all over Jay. I don't. I don't. I don't say we took multiple shots of like the commissioner during this like we shout all over Jay. I don't I don't understand the tour for 10 years. That's how his podcast came to be. Yeah, I do laugh at like everyone at the live events wearing live golf gear. Like imagine somebody wearing PGA tour golf gear. Hey, stop it.

Cam. Yeah. Sorry. He's the one has worn some too. I'd see what I'm sorry about that. I will He supports the broad has warned some too. I'd see what I'm sorry about that. I want to say when I hung out with Rob Lowe and named drop at Riveriera, he was talking about how he wore that NFL hat, you know, and he said, that's going to be the second line in my orbit. Yeah. Rob Lowe started in various movies and wore an NFL hat.

So like, look, if you're if you're rocking the live gear, like that might be your fate. Anything else, news or notes that you guys have for this week. I mean, you know, we had me like a ton of pictures that we didn't even get to use. Would you guys have jumped in that nasty ass pond? Hell yeah. If I'd have won the tournament, yeah, for sure. I would have wanted to take some penicillin afterwards just to make sure what do we got? Oh, this we talked to you about TIO, but the drop zone obviously little little concerning

I mean, it's it's bad. We got to have a national conversation at some point. It's a They're trying to like you know, they're pushing it to the edge. So we have to have the conversation, right? It's kind of like we're acting out to get so the legislators actually take notice of this at this point. Yes. Yes. What else? Oh, yeah, one tweet, big about the TIO. Obviously, from flea to might as well be put in front of the drop social. The only people who have ever gotten this right is the RNA with the big like basically you're dropping into six inch ten inch grass. Like, yeah. If you want to bang it off, the stands fine, but that's your penalty for it. This is Alison Corpus.

Her name is spelled wrong, of course. You know, banks it into and gets it caught up into the tent. That was sick. It would have been a great time for my play. It hasn't lies, tournament. Like, you go in there and you got to try to hack it out of the tent. And like, if you can't do it, well, that's on you. And what's the solution? My solution is tournament infrastructure. It's not like they're building it while your ball's in the air. Everybody knows

exactly where the tournament infrastructure is. If you can't play your ball as it lies, then you can take an unplayable. Now, course infrastructure, you know, a cement water fountain, I don't know what it would be. I will listen to that, but I love this tweet. My guy Tyler 220 to the Grand Sands. This was corpus and our caddy, the guy from Major League called me Taylor. Yeah, I'm not doing TIO again. That drop area was absurd. I will say that. Not good. Not bad.

I will say before we get out, if you enjoyed what you saw on the LPGA this week, the next several weeks is phenomenal. It's a great stretch of golf on the LPGA tour. They're headed back to Los Angeles. They're playing Wellshire Country Club. We'll be a very good event. They go from there up to TPC Harding Park for the International Crown,

which is eight teams of four. It's essentially a mini-presidents' cup, if you will. The Koreans are going to be there. The Swedes, the Thai, the U.S. That's going to be a fun event. And then they go out to New Jersey, the aforementioned founders' cup from upper Montclair Country Club, just leafy Tony course. So yeah, very good stretch of LPGA action right now. I think the sun has set on this podcast just like it has at

Big Randy's apartment. I can't figure out my lighting. Yeah, it's really, it's, you know, 38 years old or whatever you are. And you can't figure out a turn of light on. It's I can't figure out my lighting. Yeah, really, it's, you know, 38 years old or whatever you are. And you can't figure out a turn of light on it's really tough to figure out. It's very difficult. But thanks, everyone, for tuning into this version. If you tuned in live KVV, thank you for spending a Sunday night with us. Cody McBride on the ones and two. Yes. Big, windy, leading the charge on all things LPGA this year. It's been a lot of fun. You guys have greatly influenced and helped me keeping up with the LPGA just here. And you guys chat about it on a semi-monthly basis,

whatever it is. It's been great. So very add it to our content. Thanks everyone for tuning in. Thank you to high-noone, titleist, and rowback, and Karen Stuppels. Justin Ray, I believe that is everyone. Good night and we'll be back here next week. Cheers.

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