No Such Thing As A Fish - 3: No Such Thing As The Middle Ages

Episode Date: March 21, 2014

Episode 3: This week QI Elves Dan Schreiber (@schreiberland) and James Harkin (@eggshaped) are joined by Horrible Histories consultant Greg Jenner (@gregjenner) and comedian Alex Edelman (@alexedelman) to discuss the first recorded smile, the most important animal in America and 300 years that may never have happened. For more check out www.qi.com/podcast

We ran it on QI a few years ago, which was, there's no such thing as a fish. There's no such thing as a fish. No, seriously, it's in the Oxford Dictionary of Underwater Life. It says it right there, first paragraph, no such thing as a fish. Hello, and welcome to another episode of No Such Thing as a Fish. This is a special episode in which, rather than having strictly just the QIL sitting around the microphone this week, we've got two special guests. We have a comedian from Brooklyn, New York, originally from Boston, Alex Edelman.

Hi. Who amongst interesting things you've got going on, it's you've got a current text relationship with Lindsay Lohan. You once severely angered Neil Armstrong in a lift. Yep. What else is there? There's plenty more of this stuff. We're also joined by the historical consultant from the Horrible Histories TV series, Greg Jenner.

Who, outside of that, if you hang out with Greg Jenner, as Alex will know, at any kind of social event is mobbed, like a rock star, basically. You just have groupies. He has fans coming up to him. Are you having a relationship with any American celebrity females? Sadly not. George Washington is the hostess, I guess, in an American relationship. So also joining us, we have James Harkin.

And doing all the fact checking as we go along today is Anna Chazinski. Oh, and I'm Dan. So we should start by saying that this is the first time you've been to the office, Greg, to the QI offices. Yeah. This is not the first time Alex has been. Alex is, you're almost like a part of the family now. I'm going to try to cut down because I... Well, and you're going back to America tomorrow.

Yeah. I don't think that counts. I'm trying to cut down. But I'll be back. I'll be back at the end of this month. Basically, as soon as Alex comes in the office, that's the end of work for the death scene tonight. Well, you know, the thing is, this office is like what I would like the inside of my mind to look like. Just neatly ordered and filled with facts.

I'll categorize. Like, literally, I feel like you could find any fact in this office. Because there's a lot... Well, there's just... A lot of books. There's a lot of folders. We've got the internet. And everyone's like, yeah, I was going to say, technically, it could just be a closet with a laptop.

And that would still hold true. So, okay. Well, so, as this is a special one, maybe we'll start with... Yeah, we'll start with you, Greg. Oh, good. The least-per-third one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's begin with the sort of rambling ego here and... Yeah, the expert. That's what I would say.

The expert. Well, just give us what... It's your favorite thing that's kind of on your mind this week that you've learned. This is my first week off after writing my book. My first of a book. So I've been trying... I'm trying to pull up. I think it comes out next year.

Are you allowed to say anything about the book? Yeah, I can tell you the title. Yes. It's called One Million Years in a Day. Stone Age to Phone Age is the range. And it's sort of structured around a modern Saturday night. That's a great line. Stone Age to Phone Age.

Stone Age to Phone Age, that's the... I guess the group is. Yeah, yeah. Now, I thought... I just... Something I just put in the book, and I thought it's quite an interesting fact, really, is that the earliest known dentistry is 9,000 years old. This is back in sort of Neolithic, really. It's like mammoths were walking the earth with dentures.

It's like, yeah. So, we're talking here in, I suppose, modern day Pakistan, is what we call it. It's a place called... Magar, I suppose, is not... My pronunciation's not great, but archaeologists have found teeth which have been drilled. And they've been sort of, you know, the earliest, really, sort of fillings or early drilling technique using a bow drill, which is, you know, just a sort of whittling bit of sharp stick, which is a technique used, really, for jewelry. So not even teeth cleaning, like, because I knew that the Egyptians had a force hair toothbrushes.

Well, yeah. Even reparative dentistry goes back that far? So this would be medicinal dentistry, this would be pain relief. Yeah, I guess it's an obvious thing, because people would have been in so much pain, wouldn't they? Yeah. Although, I remember reading that, like, sugar cane sugar came in relatively late, so people didn't have as bad teeth in the Neolithic time as they have today. It's interesting, actually, there's been a couple of major studies in the past couple of years that have shown that's not really true, actually. There's an awful lot of dental...

Wear and tear? Wear and tear, but also sugar-based, actually, because there's quite a lot of sugar in natural fruits and so forth. Oh, yeah. And obviously, if you're not brushing your teeth every day, it will build up, it will... Is it complex sugars that really do harm, though? Yeah, I mean, the worst dentistry in history, I think, if you were to sort of elect an era, I would say probably the 18th century, the Georgians. The 18th century is where dentistry begins as a modern discipline, but it's also where, really, dentistry, teeth were at their worst. If you look at portraits, no one smiles.

Yes. Until the first ever smile. I can't remember as a female artist, a French female artist. I think it's Le Brun. I think maybe. Could you check that out? I mean, Le Brun, perhaps, it's a really famous painting, and it's very controversial, because I think it's a self-portrait, and I think she's grinning. Wow.

And it's the reason you didn't grin before, because your teeth were so bad. Your teeth were all fine. Who was it who used urine for mouthwash? The Romans. Wear and tear. Wow. Wow. So it's not just me.

The Romans brushed their teeth, to a certain extent. They used rags. I mean, the Egyptians didn't do dental surgery particularly. They were very good dentists. In fact, the first known dentists in human history, the first named dentists are Egyptian. Okay. They were found, I think, in 2006. I think they found a tomb with three named dentists on the wall, sort of, you know, written in.

Like a company name. Yes. Shice for Shulman. Dentists of the pharaohs. And they were. They were royal dentists. So they were sort of official dentists to a pharaoh, and they, these three guys were clearly sort of official tooth prodders. There was a recent meta-study done on Egyptian mummies.

I think 40%, if I remember, I might be wrong, but I think 40% had serious dental disease. Wow. And dental disease can kill you. My father's a physician, and he says something really interesting that, historically, the people who get the worst care are the famous and the wealthy. Because what he's, he's being, he's being ironic. What he's saying is, typically, famous people have been killed by over-medicating or over-operating, or too much complex treatment. Like as soon as a, like the body will repair itself. We talked in an earlier podcast about James Garfield, who was the one prodded a lot.

Dirty, dirty fingers in the wound and stuff like that. My father gave a TED talk on it, which is actually really interesting. His name is Eleazar Eilman. So I wonder if, if those pharaohs were receiving, A, a lot of dental attention, or B, getting such rich food that they were. Well, that's the big question. So the quality of food, obviously, is going to affect things. I mean, Earthsea, the ice man, found in the Tyrolian Alps, he had really, really messed up teeth. What was the fact that you were saying about the baseball player?

Oh, yeah. I can't remember his name, but he's a baseball player who was, who had to be taken out of the game because he bit himself on his own arse. And what happened was he slid into the final base and his false teeth fell out and he landed on them. I'm sure you know about it. So what we were saying though is that, is that he must have been in his 20s, right? But yeah, there he was with a full set of false teeth because that was a thing that happened. And his teeth he knocked out. In the 1920s, apparently he was called Clarence Blethen and he's now called Clarence Climax Blethen. I don't really understand why he's called Clarence.

He had a really particular gimmick. No teeth you say. Oh, Alex, I have to tell you, just as an American and a baseball fan, if you don't know this, it's my favorite baseball fact. So do you know Lou Gehrig? I know the disease. Exactly. He really should have seen that one coming. Yeah, yeah.

So this is what's fantastic about it. It turns out that Lou Gehrig didn't die of Lou Gehrig's disease. So the disease named after him you didn't have. There's an interesting Wikipedia list of people who have been killed by already deceased people. My favorite one is someone killed not by a deceased person but by a deceased animal, a really notorious poacher in Montana. This is a story that people in Montana like to tell. And this poacher outside of Helena, he was really famous for shooting deer. And people told him that there was one particular deer that he'd never be able to get.

And he wounded it a whole bunch of times. And finally he spotted on a bluff across over him and he shot it. And he turned around to celebrate. And the deer bounced all the way down and landed on him and killed him. And the deer survives. Oh, wow. Yeah, the guy didn't. We should move on to another fact.

Just quickly to satisfy you, obviously, Greg was right. I mean, he's a historian about the first ever smile in a portrait was in 1787. There's a quite funny, the court gossip sheet at the time said, an affectation which artists, art lovers and persons of taste have been united in condemning and which finds no precedent among the ancients is that in smiling, she shows her teeth. So, you know, pretty outrageous. I saw an amazing collection of photos from a period pre-smile where they did all the grim kind of straight face looking.

And it's outtake photos where the families crack up and they're laughing. And it's so interesting because it's the first time where you see the real personalities. It's so interesting. It's really cool. Where they're just, they're properly laughing out loud and clearly the person's like, well, this is unusable. Like, you don't look creepy and you don't look solid. Michael smiled.

This is such a dick, Michael. Alright, let's move on to our second fact. I want to throw in my fact here, particularly because I want to hear your thoughts on this, Greg. It's a theory from a guy called Dr. Hans Ulrich Neimitz, which is that the Middle Ages never happened. Oh, wow. So it's a thing called phantom time theory. It's basically his alleges that it was just made up.

Are you sure that the guy is Dr. Hans Ulrich? Yeah, I know. A lot of people believe it. You know, obviously a lot of idiots believe it. But according to them, 614 to 911 AD did not happen. Did not happen. We're going through it now. What is the basis for this theory?

He thinks it's a conspiracy of a calendar. Yeah, and so what his suggestion is as well is that the things that were supposed to have happened in the Middle Ages, people at the time removed them from that bit of history and created a fiction of these 300 years, I think he said Charlemagne just never existed. It was a fictional character. So basically half of the things that you do for a living, my master's degree is a fictional, yeah.

I'll give you some direct sort of from this article. It seems that historians are plagued by a plethora of falsified documents from the Middle Ages. Some documents forged by the Roman Catholic Church during the Middle Ages were created hundreds of years before their great moments arrived, after which they were embraced by medieval society. This implied that whoever produced these frauduries must have very skillfully anticipated the future. Or there was some discrepancy in calculating dates.

Well, houses. So where does he stand on the Vikings? Um... One Vikings! They did not burn down... They didn't know what happened. It was just... He just didn't happen.

Yeah. No Charlemagne. No Charlemagne. Alfred the Great. No Crusades. He says that maybe Alfred the Great was in a different period of time. Maybe the Vikings, you know, maybe they were just a year before.

So he stops at 9-11, does he? Yeah, he stops at 9-11. Oh, he stops at 9-11. There wasn't a conspiracy theorist like that. So 9-11 is the year that the Vikings conquer Normandy and become the Normans. King Rollo, who founds the Norman dynasty. The 9-11s, the Vikings become Normans and the Normans, of course, become working with the conqueror

and that becomes our first dynasty of English medieval kings. So 9-11 is a good year. But this goes with the thing that you like, Dan, which is that if you come up with an idea or a conspiracy, then you can always seem to fit in... You can find... ...the facts into whatever your theory is. Yeah.

And you can imagine, if you said to him, what about the Vikings? He would have an answer. He won't have an answer, yeah. In fact, the numerology in the Bible isn't it? People sort of try to find patterns in the Bible and you sort of go, you didn't realise it's been re-translated in loads of times? So, alright, the final question then.

Is there any truth that the militias didn't happen? I would be deeply, deeply upset if the militias didn't happen. So you're going to say they did. Would you really? Yeah, I would, actually. But what would be the difference? I'm just kind of stuck above my life when it exists. No, I'd be intrigued.

I mean, it's true. We should be very deeply suspicious and sceptical of the past and one of the things that historians do is we rigorously interrogate documents and we're always trying to disprove them. We're trying to apply that sort of scientific methodology of saying, how do we know this is true? And that's what great scholarship is. But you don't destroy all things.

You're just trying to question them and say, okay, and obviously there were problems with forgeries. A monastery, for example, would be given land and they would lose the document. And then a king would turn up going, brilliant, I'm having your land back. And they'd be like, no, no, no, this is ours. We've always had it.

So they'd forge a document. Yeah. And then we'd get the forgery. I read that, you know, Andorra, the country, they have a constitution, but it's in a safe in Andorra somewhere and a lot of historians think that it's fake. Really? You've heard that before?

No, I haven't. Faking what's it like? It doesn't exist at all? As in, yeah, it's a modern reproduction because they don't have the historical basis that they think they have because it was one of those states that came into buffer from the... 15th century wars, yeah, the Italian wars. But if it were to be true, this phantom time thing,

which is 110% not, then what it would mean is, I mean, no new scholarship is emerging. And new scholarship is emerging all the time. Yeah, it is. So it would be insane. But it would also kick off... We'd really interrupt with our carbon data. Yeah, I was just thinking...

Yeah, yeah. We use historical documents to try and ally up with carbon dating and you use carbon dating to try and ally up with historical documents. You try and play them off against each other and try and find a cross-reference. And that way, if they both agree, you kind of go, all right, maybe that's legit. With Richard III discovering the car park recently, the carbon dating there can sort of give you that specificity scientifically,

which then legitimizes the documents that told us he was there. Yes, okay. So then we can kind of go, ah, these are okay. Maybe we can look at them closely for something else. So that's a way of verifying. That's a way of verifying. Because you're using the scientific method to sort of say,

okay, the archaeology is legit, so maybe the history is okay. Yeah. Physicists like to use really old lead for their experiments because it's quite, it doesn't react with as many things, but that means that they're trying to use a lot of archaeological items to make their experiments. Yeah, I've heard about it briefly. I don't know if that's...

I mean, it would specifically make sense, wouldn't it, maybe? Yeah. But then, yeah, it's not really great to deal with some other stuff. It's Richard III. Can I borrow that? I've got an experiment on. I just, you know, I need an old king. Yeah, sorry about that.

Especially, I mentioned that James was right that there is a theory, which in fact sounds quite well-founded, that the Andorran Constitution is a forgery. Although this isn't a book, so apparently it came from Charlemagne. It was signed at the independence of Andorra with this document. Oh, we all know Charlemagne didn't exist. I think we've established that... Although I am reading it in a book where they've spelt,

it's a book, it's Andorra Business Law Handbook, but they've spelt Charlemagne. Charlemagne's... He was a dog. He was a dog with a tariff hat. Yeah. I don't know how trustworthy that is. Alright, so we're going to go on to...

We'll do Alex's fact now. Alex? My fact is it's about the most medically indispensable sea creature in the United States is the horseshoe crab. Are you aware of the... No, go on. It's a wide, wide claim to make, isn't it? Yeah.

How does that work? Well, so the horseshoe crab lives in the very bacteria-rich coastline, shallow waters in the ocean. So in the early 20s, they were sort of seen as a nuisance, and they were ground up and used as fertilizer and stuff and fed to pigs. And now, every year, a half million horseshoe crabs are harvested, and they're brought into factories by one of five companies all along the eastern coast of the United States,

and their blood alive, and their blood is baby blue. And if you can find a picture, it's incredibly interesting. And this blood, it detects any dangerous bacterial endotoxins even at a concentration of one part per trillion. So the FDA requires that all drugs, all new drugs that are brought to market, be run through this horseshoe crab blood. So every single person in the United States who's ever had an injection of any kind has had a drug that's been tested in this LAL test.

That's amazing. That is incredible. It's unbelievable. The blood per quart is $15,000, so they don't kill the crabs. So people love that. They just take the blood. They believe them, and then they take them on a boat all the way out to sea so they don't re-harvest crabs that they've already bled.

They look like a great holiday crew. They make them. You guys have done a really good thing. But they dump these guys really far out, and they notice that less and less of them are coming back. While you don't kill something when you take a lot of its blood, it does make it more lethargic and less likely to mate. But yeah, so that to me is...

That's very exciting. Yeah, I think that's really cool. Yeah. They have basically the best immune system of anyone. They do. We can use them. Do you know, my favorite crab? Have you heard of the samurai crab?

No, but it sounds like a movie. They see this. It's very exciting. Sorry, Steven. So basically, back in the... He likes to attack sideways. There was a superstition that samurai warriors, when they died, were reincarnated as these crabs,

because a lot of these crabs that came up, had the pattern on their shell of a samurai face. That's brilliant. And it became an evolutionary thing. So it's the samurai pattern that became the... That is brilliant. Wow. And so they would throw the ones that looked like a samurai back into the ocean.

That's brilliant. Are there other stories of animals selectively surviving like that? Because I'm always wondering... Well, I think dogs are supposed to be a bit like that, and cats and... Cats, cats domesticate themselves. Yeah, because cats, when they meow, they don't meow to other cats, they only do it to humans.

Really? They've selected to meow, just so that we would think they're little babies, I think. We domesticated dogs. We, you know, deliberately took wolves. Please stop biting me. I'd like to be a dog, please. And the amazing thing is that you can domesticate an animal really, really quickly.

There was a Russian scientist who did it in the 50s with foxes. I think it was... What was his name? Things with bee, I think. Biddy-a-dino was all the time. He took foxes, feral, wild, angry foxes, trying to eat his face. And he just bred them and bred them and bred them. Always taking the most docile cubs and bringing them together.

Belly-eye. Belly-eye-eye. Belly-eye-eye. Belly-eye-eye. Yeah. James, you pronounce this. Belly-eye-eye. But he bred them together so that you ended up with these sort of more increasingly docile creatures.

But the extraordinary thing that he discovered was that when you breed for physical characteristics, it also creates a personality change. They became more sort of dog-like, more sort of fluffy-tailed, and more sort of willing to follow around. But they also changed... More sequious. But they did, yes. But they...

Sequious foxes. Sequious foxes. Yeah. But they would also change their personality and demeanour, and the fact that they were spawned to cause and so on. And he did that in like 10 generations. That's all it took. You know, there's been an awful lot of genetic testing recently,

because we can now do DNA analysis on animals. And we found that actually dogs are much older than we thought. So do we think that we got them for companionship or fighting or... It's probably hunting companionship, because we had pet bear. There's definitely at least one pet bear that's been found in the Stone Age. Well, Byron had a pet bear. Byron did have a pet bear.

Byron had a pet bear? He took it to Cambridge. He took it to Cambridge. Because he wasn't allowed a dog. So he was a bit of a dick. And he said, I'm fine. I'm gonna have a bear.

Is this before or after he founded the hamburger chain? Or is that... Is that the most ridiculous... Oh wait, someone kept a pet scorpion in a jar on his desk. I read this in one of your books. I read that in one of the QI books, which are available in fine book stores everywhere. Probably the same books as Greg's book will be available in next year.

All the good jobs, I think. Talk a lot of secrets. The extraordinary thing about this sort of dog thing is we obviously domesticated dogs, because to do that, you have to take a wild feral wolf that is trying to kill you and gradually tame it. But it's not taming, it's breeding it.

You take a runt of litter and a runt of litter, you bring this together, and gradually you breed them and you create a new animal, and that is the dog. The amazing thing is that the oldest dog breed in the world is only a thousand years old or something. Roman dogs don't exist anymore.

So when you find a Roman dog at Pompeii, which we have found one, that breed no longer exists. It doesn't exist anymore. Wow! Is it because they die out? Well, the breeding programme is changing. You have sort of different needs for them,

and animals are constantly evolving and changing, and we breed them in different ways. You know, George Washington bred dogs. George Washington bred the American foxhound. He took a French foxhound from the Marquis de Lafayette and an English foxhound, and he bred them together and created the American foxhound.

Wow. And he was really obsessed with this. He was sort of a typical late-in-century gentleman. I'm going to breed an animal. But the amazing thing is cats domesticated themselves. The oldest-known cat, I think, is from the Shiloboros. I think in Cyprus. I think it's about 9,000 years old.

Is there any truth to the story when people attach cats to their shields in the Egyptians? Yes. Yes, I love this. This is the battle of, I think, of Palusium, I think, top of my head.

Because Egyptians believed cats to be holy and revered. They had huge cat funeral monuments with, like, millions of buried cats. If your cat died, you shaved off your eyebrows, and you would take your cat to this holy city of cats. They found the mode of mummies, and they mummified cats to, like, a million of them.

That was a huge one recently. Yeah, yeah. And the city, I think, was called Bubastis, named after, I think, I might have made that up. It was a definitely a city. And they would bury the cats

and they'd shave off their eyebrows. Anna's working overtime, by the way. Sorry. No. Well, they never want to interrupt. So I turned 1,000 tabs up with a presentation. It's all good for me. I can't wait till the end of the session.

But it's called Bubastis. Bubastis. It's good. Okay, good. I was just making up some random names. But they worship cats, and there's a famous story that a grown soldier was in his chariot,

and he ran over a cat, and he was killed by an angry mob. But then, in the Middle Ages, people thought that cats were evil, didn't they? And they thought they had no soul. They thought they were witches' familiars. They used to be burned alive as well. It would be the 14th, I think.

Yeah, he did go into a burning ceremony, didn't he? Yeah, he did. And he ceremony threw them onto the pyre. They used to be stoned. They were eaten alive. Eaten alive? Eaten alive. How do you eat a cat?

You keep a lot of decline in the world. Man, you just grab it. I guess you hold out the legs and just start chomping, I don't know. Oh, God. They'd gone from gods to being evil. Yeah. And now we just put them on the internet

and laugh at them. We'd be gods again, I suppose. Yeah. We weren't your kittens. Okay, listen, I'm going to quickly do my last little fact. Yes. I found that we have 28 people that we know

slept with Queen Elizabeth I, and that they were all women. Whoa! What? It's what you mean when you say slept with. Slept in the same bedrooms. Yeah. Well, it did not sound right to you.

Same bedroom. In the same bedroom. Yeah, same bedroom. The interesting thing about Queen Elizabeth I actually made a documentary for Channel 5 a few years ago that was awfully ridiculous. We sort of went, did she have a love child? Yeah.

Did she or? Well, no. There was a room that she did. In the Spanish she used it as propaganda. And obviously, I don't think she did. But I think about Elizabeth I, she probably didn't spend more than five minutes of her life alone.

She was constantly surrounded by people. Everywhere she went, she was born a princess. She was always going to be a princess, and then she was a queen, and then she died. So you have ladies in waiting who, of course, would sleep in the same room as her, and you'd have sort of chuckle beds at the bottom of the bed, usually.

They would sleep in, or maybe... Bump beds, like... More of a sort of a pull-out little... Oh, like a cupboard? Yeah, almost like under the bed, it's like a little, you know, but these people didn't really have any kind of private space.

But the Queen could ever go like, I want some alone time. Maybe, but we don't only record for that. And you know what else? I don't think this time period ever existed. So what does this fact mean, then? Does it mean that she slept with way more than that? Basically, it's a way of bringing up this interesting fact

that the monarchs would have sleeping partners before companionship and for safety and whatever. I read that Gandhi used to sleep with naked female virgins to test his chastity so they would lay next to him in bed. Wow. Yeah, and just so he could be like,

mmm, look how awesome I am. Look at nothing. I don't want to knock Gandhi on our show, I'm not Gandhi. Fuck it, that's weird. No, but maybe he was caught the first time by his wife. She's like, oh my God, you're having a very,

it's like, no, no, honey, hey, I am testing my chastity. She's like, you're going to, so I'll do it every night. But there's another story. I think it's in the Bible. You might be able to help us more, he aren't a resident Jew,

but it's like... King David, I think, has a woman called, is it Abishag who is... Abishag. I think she's the official human water bottle. And he gets really old, he gets really kind. Yeah, and just a woman that he cuddles with.

Exactly, and she's a young, beautiful, beautiful virgin, and she gets in the bed with him, and her job is to warm him up at night. She's the woman. She's Abishag. It has an interesting translation to the 20th century care of US presidents.

Ah. And this is mentioned in my father's Ted Med Talk, which I didn't mean to plug into much, considering it's probably only got like 20 views because it's a Ted Med Talk. We'll post that, we'll post this talk. But Eisenhower had a lot of heart attacks.

Just like constantly having heart attacks. Like he would wake up and he would go to a doctor and the doctor's like, hey, you had a heart attack last night. And he was prescribed a prescription that he snuggled with Mamie Eisenhower. But that basically was his... It was a fair prescription for a long time

that literally to have like a cuddle buddy... Would calm him down. Would calm anybody down. It's been prevailing knowledge up until pretty recently that having someone to like snuggle... Like teddy bears, there are some papers that in New England they used to circulate a lot because I guess New England is where I'm from.

I'm from Boston. It's like, I guess teddy bears sort of started in Vermont. And again, I'm sure a QI question is whether or not Teddy Roosevelt... Yeah, we think so. Do you really? Yeah, do you think... That's sort of the teddy bear teddy Roosevelt thing.

Yeah. Yeah, it's 1903, isn't it? And he refuses to shoot a bear. Is that right? He's hunting and he refuses to shoot a bear. Yeah. And Kermit Roosevelt was the first westerner to shoot a panda or something.

Really? It might be wrong about that, so. Yeah. Just to interject, it wasn't just Kermit, it was Kermit and Theodore, Teddy's son, and they shot the panda together. So they both agreed that they both shot... Family arting.

Yeah, family arting. They both shot with their separate guns. Wow. And they both claimed to be the first westerner to kill giant pandas. To kill giant pandas. Isn't that touching? That is sad.

On that note. On that note. On that note. On that note. On that note. Now, we should wrap up now, but if you want to ask any one of us any questions about the things we've spoken out today, you can get me on

and try and learn things. And yeah, I'm on Art's Egg Shaped. Alex, what are you on? I'm at Alex Underscore Edelman. And this is all Twitter, we're talking about, by the way. Yeah. Greg shouted into the air.

Alex Underscore Edelman. He will appear. Greg, we're good. I'm Greg Underscore Jenna. Yeah, okay. And Anna's not on Twitter, but she can be on Acquikipedia, which is the main QI Twitter page.

We're going to have a bunch of photos, I guess, and a Ted med clip up on the QI. Oh, my father's going to kill me. Dot com slash podcast. That's where you can find it. Thanks so much for joining us, guys. So that was another edition of No Such Thing as a Fish. I'm going to call it special title,

No Such Thing as the Middle Ages. That's going to be the... That's going to be like on the iTunes thing. Yeah. Cool. All right. Thanks everyone for listening. Catch you next week.

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