Off Menu with Ed Gamble and James Acaster - Ep 77: Ovie Soko

Episode Date: October 7, 2020

He might not recognise his Island-mate, but British basketball superstar and ‘Love Island’ contestant Ovie Soko’s picking his dream meal this week. Let’s hope he doesn’t get pied.Ovie Soko��s book ‘You Are Dope’ is out now. Buy it here.Follow Ovie on Instagram and Twitter: @oviesokoFollow Griffin Frenchie on Instagram: @griffinfrenchieRecorded and edited by Ben Williams for Plosive Productions.Artwork by Paul Gilbey (photography and design) and Amy Browne (illustrations).Follow Off Menu on Twitter and Instagram: @offmenuofficial.And go to our website www.offmenupodcast.co.uk for a list of restaurants recommended on the show.Watch Ed and James's YouTube series 'Just Puddings'. Watch here. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, listeners of the Off Menu podcast. It is Ed Gamble here from the Off Menu podcast. I have a very exciting announcement. I have written my first ever book. I am absolutely over the moon to announce this. I'm very, very proud of it. Of course, what else could I write a book about? But food. My book is all about food. My life in food. How greedy I am. What a greedy little boy I was. What a greedy adult I am. I think it's very funny. I'm very proud of it. The book is called Glutton, the multi-course life of a very greedy boy. And it's coming out this October, but it is available to pre-order now, wherever you pre-order books from. And if you like my signature, I've done some signed copies,

which are exclusively available from Waterstones. But go and pre-order your copy of Glutton, the multi-course life of a very greedy boy now. Please? Don't shake up this podcast or it will explode in your face. Welcome to the Off Menu podcast with Ed Gamble and James Acaster. I'm the Ed Gamble part of that. My name is James Acaster, not Ed Gamble. Yes, good. Good to cover all bases there. I'm not James Acaster either. We're going to be asking a special guest their favourite ever starter, main course, dessert, side dish and drink. Yes, you've been straight to it today, James. Sometimes you're a bit more chilled. You want

to have a little catch up, a little chat, and today it's just like, here's the admin, let's get on with the episode. Yeah, well, I think it's an important episode, because I guess this week is... Oh, you're not having it, are you? Okay. I guess this week is... OV SoCo! OV SoCo, British basketball superstar, and he was on Love Island Series 5. Yes, he wasn't the only one, was he? No, well, come on. I know you're trying to get that joke going again about me looking like Curtis Pritchard. You better not mention that to OV and embarrass me in front of him. I would never. Listen, I know that you don't want to be reminded at the time you were on Love Island, and you're hoping that OV doesn't recognise you,

so I will not bring it up, Curtis. Your secret is safe with me. I would never go on Love Island, James, for a number of reasons. One, I don't believe in love. I don't believe in love. Two, I never want to be seen in my trunks on television, and three, I'm already in a relationship, and that is in order of importance. James Yes. I know. I'm fully aware you've always said to me how important your relationship is to you. OV It's number three on that list. Basically, I wouldn't mind if she broke up with me as long as I get to wear a t-shirt while it happens. James Yeah. Oh, that would be the worst. Imagine if she broke up with you at the swimming pool. OV Oh, no, I'd hate it, and someone was filming it.

James Oh, no. It would be the worst. OV Because people would go, look at that loser. His fiance's breaking up with him, and he's got little titties. James Got little titties? OV That would be my name. A trend would be hashtag little titties. James Hashtag little titties heartbreak. OV Hashtag man boobs, no wife. Get that going. Get that trend going. James Get that hashtag going. Just any photo of Ed. Just tweet a photo of Ed. I use even one of those two hashtags, even a little titties heartbreak as well. L-I-L-T-I-D-I-E-S heartbreak. Or man boobs, no wife. So, OV Soco is on the podcast this week. Very excited to speak to him.

Also, there is a secret ingredient which, if he says we will be, slam dunking him out of the restaurant, that's a possible term. OV Absolutely. And this week, the secret ingredient is... L-I-T-I-D. James L-I-T-I-D-I-D-I-D-I-D-I-D-I-D-I-D-I-D What the hell is it? OV I mean, I think we've already had this as a secret ingredient. Bonito insists that we haven't. James Apparently not. OV But crazy we haven't had it before. OV I mean, I tell you why, I don't like it. It's like a combination of something I love and something I hate. I love cheese and I hate lies. So I don't want anything to besmirch my beloved cheese. It's lychee the one sometimes if you get it like a drink that's got a lychee flavour

literally have it floating around in there. Yeah, I think they do that. They do that with passing fruits as well, right? But yeah, they might have like a little lychee bobbin around in there. Yeah, I'm not keen on it. I don't like it at all. So I really hope that Ovi doesn't say it because otherwise we will have to chuck him out. We'll have no choice. It will be goodbye to Ovi. Well, hopefully that that doesn't happen. So fingers crossed and this is one of our lockdown episodes, James. So we recorded this on the internet, me in my house, you and your house, Ovisoko in his house and the great bonito on the top of the big pepsi max big one in Blackpool. So let's proceed. This is the off menu menu of Ovisoko. Welcome Ovisoko to the dream restaurant. Hi guys.

Welcome Ovisoko to the dream restaurant. We've been expecting you for some time. I feel like that intro, I don't know if I'm going to live up to that. You lot of guessed it up a bit, haven't you? Look, we always go hard off the top Ovi and then if you want to change the atmosphere or the or the energy in the restaurant, that's fine. It's your dream restaurant. The ambience can be as you choose. No, I like the sound of that. Customers always right in your in your dream restaurant. So let's get straight into it. What sort of atmosphere do you like when you go out for a meal? Do you like a loud restaurant, a quiet restaurant? It has to be a balance. You know, I'm saying you want a nice bit of background noise. You don't want to be

sitting in silence so that, you know, if the company is a bit dead or if it's a bad date, you're not stuck in a cell with another person. So, you know, I like a little bit of background noise, maybe a little bit of piano off in the distance or, you know, something playing. What song's the piano playing? Imagine it in your head. You can just hear it in the distance, the piano. What song? I don't know. I don't have a specific song, but I just know how it kind of sounds. I don't want to hear it. I thought it was the ringtone. So you'd like a pianist in the distance playing popular ringtones. Popular ringtones works. If it's something smooth, I feel like I'll enjoy it. That'd be fun if you were a pianist,

actually, in a restaurant, just to wind everyone up, just play a ringtone every now and again and see how many people check their phones. To be honest, if a pianist could play a ringtone and your ringtone sounds like that, you've probably got a pretty old phone. I don't feel like newer phones still sound like that. Bad point. What's your ringtone? Oh, my ringtone is silent. Silence is golden. My phone is literally never on loud. Yeah, I don't think anyone's is anymore really, are they? I rarely hear a ringtone. Yeah, no. If I hear a ringtone, I don't know, a bit weirded out. I feel like you're disturbing everyone. We're in London. I feel like London is a place like that. If you're on the train, you don't want to get on the train

in the morning and hear a ringtone sort of disturbing you when you're laser focused on getting into work. Would you consider yourself laser focused when you're on the way to work? I suppose you work as a basketball player, right? So you've got to have some sort of focus. Yeah, you're thinking like shooting hoops. I am pretty focused when I'm going into training, to be honest. I am pretty locked in. I think it's a different kind of focus. Sometimes I listen to a bit of jazz. I do listen to quite a bit of jazz. I love listening to instrumentals, especially when I want to focus because I feel like it allows me brain space to think without words kind of ducking in and out of my thoughts. Oh, the thought of that. I'd like to go to a basketball game and just have like

jazz playing the whole time in the, in the, what is it, a court? Yeah, yeah. Quick heads up for you over, you need a meal, James, no much about basketball. Oh, well, here's your basketball 101. So it is called a court and in a basketball stadium, I don't know how well jazz would fly. Like, I don't know if that would work. Great. It'd be pretty great. A lot of basketball players love jazz. Well, actually, no, I only know you. You've only met OV. I only know you and Dennis Rodman and Dennis Rodman likes Pearl Jam. Hey, no, Dennis Rodman likes a lot of different things. I think everyone's.

Pearl Jam is his favorite band, though. I watched Dennis Rodman do a Pearl Jam quiz on YouTube and he smashed it. It did pretty well, actually. He was pretty pleased himself. He loved it so much that he said he'd love to come back and do another Pearl Jam quiz. Oh, well, there you go. So there you go. Well, there you go. But I guess if you're the only two basketball players I know and one of you's retired. I feel like that's a small sample size. Yeah. I feel like we've already got quite off track from the dream restaurant concept that we're now on, which basketball players James knows and whether they like jazz or not. So welcome. We've not even taken your coat yet, OV.

Oh, yeah. No, you. Do you know what? I got hands and get my own coat. Do you know what I mean? Like I put my own coat on the back of the chair. I wouldn't say my dream restaurant necessarily would have to be something super, super fancy. That's not what I would have in mind. Well, we'll let you put your own coat on the back of your chair, but you have to do it like you're shooting a hoop. So we're going to have the chair by the table and you've got to go as far back as you can with your coat and you've got to throw it. Now, is this just going to be me or is this the rule in the restaurant? We make everyone do this every episode. You can listen back.

I'm telling you, this sounds like absolutely mayhem. Everyone will be a couple feet back just throwing jackets at the chair. Well, you know, it'll be different. It'll be different. What's the furthest back? Do you think that you could stand and still make that shot with the coat on the chair? And then what would your technique be? Would you ball it up like a basketball and throw it? Or would you hold it by open and then try and make it sore through the air? Tricky one. I feel like to get a distance, you would have to ball it up. Do you know what I mean? Because if you left it open, there's going to parachute, you know, no parachute. Oh, that's a tricky one, man. If I'm going for distance, I would have to ball it up.

Got to sacrifice the fashion, don't you? Yeah. Just, you know, wrinkle up your jacket on your day to get about the jacket. That's not important. Yeah. We got to get distance. Yeah. I feel like that's that would say a lot about a guy, you know, if you could launch your jacket. Hey, I feel like the date would be impressed. Would you explain to your date that this is the rules of the restaurant or as you walked in, would you just immediately screw your jacket up and throw it towards the chair? I guess the balance is if you manage it, if you don't say anything, screw your jacket up, throw it towards the chair and it lands perfectly on it. That's the move, isn't it? But if it just, if it flops down halfway, then you're going to have, there's a lot of

explaining to do. If it goes horribly wrong, then there's definitely a lot of explaining to do. It's the restaurant's fault. It's not mine. This is what everyone has to do. You have to do it too. You'd have to hope that your competitive streak doesn't kick in and that when your date tries to do it, you don't immediately jump in the way and block it and smash it out the air. I am free competitive, do you know what I mean? And Ovie, thank you. We're inviting you to the Dream restaurant, but you've brought us a gift here, which is your new book. Indeed. You are dope, you know. Well, thank you very much, but what's your book called? There you go. It is you are dope. That's the catch. Yes. I've been waiting to do that dad joke since I heard we were interviewing it.

I've been planning that and I'm so glad to be here. It's the whole time. So the book is called You Are Dope. Yeah. You know, it's a self-help book. I think we're living in a time now where, especially with the social media juggernaut, it's very easy to get carried away with things that might not agree with who we are. We truly are internally. And ultimately, I think that leads to a lot of mental problems for a lot of people. So, you know, just a little guide that hopefully I can help a couple of people if I can. Man, mission done. Well, I feel like self-help is a good road for you, because just speaking to you for five minutes so far, I feel more relaxed. You're a very calming presence, Ovie. Yes. And I've been actively

trying to wind you up. No, we always start off with still sparkling water. Do you have a preference? I do. Sparkling. I feel like sparkling water is refreshing. There's something that's grown on me, to be honest. When I was younger, I used to hate sparkling water, like I used to hate avocados, like coffee. This is just weird. It's one of those things that's grown on me. But yeah, definitely sparkling. How much do you love avocados now? I wouldn't say I'm one of the sort of Instagrammers that would pop avocado and toast and post a million pictures of it. But I like avocado. I like it.

I'm so into it, man. It's been one of my main lockdown foods. I'm eating it all the time. Just simple. Cut them in half, de-stone them, put some chili and lime salt on them. It's easy. It's easy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's... I like eggs. Always go great with eggs. Would you like it if you cut the avocado open and you twisted it and you opened it up? And instead of a stone, there was an egg there. An egg? I feel like that's still done. That's still done. I do like eggs. A raw egg. But what kind of egg though? Yeah, you don't want a raw egg in the avocado. Boiled egg, de-shelled. A boiled egg. No. All right, let's do it. I know we're getting into it very early, but list your favorite eggs

in order, I think. In order. Oh, okay. First poached, second boiled, third scrambled. Not looking good for fried. Fourth. Yeah, it would have to be fried in it. And then if it wouldn't omelet count as fried, I guess, like... No, that's separate. Is this own thing? Oh, gosh, I've messed up. I've messed up. I've got a vector. Oh, he's absolutely horrified. The look of realization on Obi's face when he realized that he'd left out omelet. No, I feel like omelet is fried egg. It's the same thing, really. Not at all. When I fail on an omelet, I just call it a fried egg.

If a fried egg really will, I just call it an omelet. Yeah. But they look different. They taste different. You can't call an omelet in a fried egg the same as they go. Oh, I beg to differ. Obi, are you telling me that if you did a blindfolded taste test between an omelet and a fried egg, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference? Well, the texture, of course. Like, you know what I mean, because it just means you fried the egg very, very well, and you folded it neatly. And, you know, but if you put the same ingredients in there, really, if it wasn't for the texture... Well, then you may as well say

a boiled egg is an omelet. Oh, come on. No, no, no, no, no. We are not going to do that. But the yolk and the white in a fried egg are distinct from each other. You want a runny yolk and a set of white with an omelet. It's all mixed in together. If someone said, I'll bring you an omelet and they brought me a fried egg, I wouldn't be like, oh, yeah, that's basically the same thing. Yeah. Oh, well. I stand corrected. But I fry my eggs differently sometimes. Sometimes I leave it intact, but sometimes I whip it up and... Yeah, as an omelet.

But that's an... Okay, well, that makes it an omelet. There you go. I've learnt something new today. Sometimes I fry my eggs different. Sometimes I put them in a bowl with some milk and some flour, and some sugar, and I mix it all together, and then I put it in a pan. So, hold on then. So, where are you putting an omelet on your rankings? That will take a high number two. That will come in second strong. That's good. It's not going to beat out poached eggs. I love poached eggs. Like, I just do. Can you make poached eggs? I'm rubbish at making poached eggs.

I kind of... Do you boil water in the kettle? Like, it's almost a cheat code. You just boil water in the kettle. You whack it in the bowl. Well, pot. Give it a whisk around. You should use vinegar. Really, shouldn't it? You should bind it together. And then, yeah, you pop the egg in the middle. Keep it whisking. You're easy. It always comes out flat when I do it. Flat and wet. Like a horrible, like, wet nipple. Oh, no, man. That means your wrist action isn't... You've got to work on your wrist action, man. Not the first time I've been told that.

Don't let him get away with that kind of stuff, Obi. Don't let him get away with it. It's an absolute dad today. Absolute dad doing it. It's all his dad's jokes. You said sparkling water is your choice. Would you boil an egg in sparkling water? Boiling egg in sparkling water. Or poached egg. Would you poach an egg in sparkling water? Well, that's the first time I've ever heard that suggestion. I don't think I would be experimenting with that. And I don't know how that would work to be fair. I might try it on an experimental basis.

I don't know if... I think if you get water that's sparkling enough, there'd be so much movement in there that you wouldn't even need to put any heat on it. You could just pour the sparkling water and it would bubble so much they'd have poached the egg with no heat. Yeah. You wouldn't even need to whisk it. He's not having it. No comment, guys. No comment on that one.

There was a moment... That's a brilliant moment where, basically, Obi went with us on all this whimsical egg shit. And then just at that point he was like, absolutely not. Egg conversation over. This is where I'm at. This is where I'm at. I'll be... I'm fine with the egg inside an avocado. I'm happy to rank my eggs, but if you suggest poaching an egg in sparkling water, I am out.

Also, Obi, I'm a bit disappointed that so far you have not been pleased to see your ex-Love Island castmate, Curtis, host in the show here. Now, Obi, just to let you in on a bit of history, as soon as the lineup for your series of Love Island was announced, I started getting tweets saying that I was going to be on Love Island because, apparently, I bear a resemblance to Curtis Pritchard. Now that you've said that, like, I can't unsee that. Yep. It was the worst summer of my life,

because Love Island's on every night, so I was getting approximately 150 to 200 tweets a night saying, look at what you're doing on Love Island now. And then he did well in Love Island, so he was there for ages. And I still get pictures of Curtis Pritchard tweeting to me. Curtis was a cool chap. He was a cool guy. Oh, look. I'm glad he was a goodie. Don't get me wrong. I'm glad people liked him and stuff.

Yeah, I was about to say it could have gone worse. Yeah. You know, after I came out and saw what happened to some of the guys. Yeah. So, but it was just, it was pretty constant. Well, hey. Welcome to the island. Welcome to the villa. Welcome to the family, I mean. There was no development of the joke. It was just, you look like Curtis from Love Island, and then that was it.

Well, do you know what, do you know what that's like? I've come across so many people. When I tell them my name's Obi, they'll look at me for a second. They'll pause. They'll be like, ha, ha, like Obi-Wan Kenobi. And they generally laugh every single time. And I'm like, uh, I've heard this one before. And like, it's not, not that funny. Now I'm a bit annoyed because I was planning on doing that joke later.

I've been, I've been trying to work out a way of getting that joke in. Oh, you weren't. Mark my words, mark my words over. At some point during this record, I'll get that in. And we'll, we'll edit out you mentioning the joke. So it seems like I'm really clever. It's in full dad mode over. You're not, you'll be able to sway them. It's going to do it later on.

Hey, I'm enjoying it. Pop it on the door, Brett. Pop it on the door, Brett, Obi. Pop it on the door, Brett. Pop it on the door, Brett. An excellent, excellent reaction shot from there, Obi. Yeah, you look horrified. I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what's happening?

What have I done? Absolutely. It's just terrified. Pop it on the door, man. Nice. That was a, yeah. What, what gives him the edge? I'll tell you, it just doesn't taste plain.

You, you, you bread every day, don't you? Yeah. Well, I, I eat bread every day anyway. Do you? I thought it's, I thought like professional sports people avoided bread like the plague. Oh, hey, man, I'm, I, well, I don't really, uh, I guess I don't do what professional sports people do.

I like toast in the morning with more breakfast. Yeah, so. What, uh, what dips you going for with the poppy-dums? I'll say like a sweet chili. Like a sweet, you know, sweet chili, uh, sort of dipping. Because I like spices. So you're not going with the traditional Indian restaurant thing, you know, when it comes on a little carousel,

you're just going for your own sweet chili dip that you bought. Sweet chili sauce. Yeah. Uh, well, not sweet chili sauce. You make it sound like the McDonald's dip. No, you know, I would, uh, you know, a bit, a bit higher than that. And would you like a poached egg on top? Oh, no, I wouldn't do that.

Geez, what are you trying to do to me? That's exciting. It sounds too exciting. Too much, too much, too much. Scale it back. I would love to scoop up a poached egg with some sweet chili sauce, with some chili sauce on it, with a poppy-dum, and put it all in. The crunch of the poppy-dum, round the egg, the chili, the hot sauce.

That's got me excited now. I love the sound of that. So, so pretty much like toast and egg with chili sauce. That's what you're, that's really what you just explained. Is that a dish? Is that a dish? Is it like you, you could really, in theory. Are you now saying this is becoming a pattern, isn't it, Ovi?

Are you now saying there's no difference between toast and a poppy-dum? No, no, no. But the dynamics that you just explained. The dynamics, yeah. The crunch and the egg. Yeah. I mean, you can get that with toast, couldn't you? Yeah, sure.

In Ovi's world, there's no difference between a poached egg on a poppy-dum and an omelet on toast. Oh, oh, oh, oh. This is the power of media, guys. That's it, that's the clickbait sorted. Yeah. Yeah, we're done. We're just trying to get a story into the Daily Mirror, Ovi,

and I think they're going to go with, Ovi doesn't know the difference between a fried egg and an omelet. Oh, trust me, that you wouldn't even have to do that much to be fair. I cut my hair myself during the whole lockdown deal, and yeah, I went back to my phone after a couple of hours, and I had almost 100 messages saying, oh, have you seen what's going on? I'm like, no, I haven't seen what's going on.

Oh, what happened to your hair? What's wrong with you? Are you okay? I mean, I was like, man, I cut my hair. I just want to cut my hair. That was a really big deal. It would pay to up a tabloid, and it would have been like, Ovi's cut his hair.

Oh, no, it was in the papers. I don't know which papers, but, you know, I got sent a, like, a screenshot of it. Yeah, it was in the papers the next day. Ovi reveals his new hairstyle. Oh, I've just got a haircut, man. I'm like, it wasn't that big of a deal. They are going to have a field day on this Friday, God bless.

I think that's what they did. This is going to be front page news. We're going to love it. Well, we come to your starter. Crispy calamari. Oh, straight in. No messing around. Crispy calamari.

No messing around. I love calamari. When I lived in Greece for a little bit, and it was after I lived out there that I kind of started to appreciate seafood a bit more. They got really, really fresh seafood out there. So, yeah, man. Crispy calamari for a starter.

Now, did you start playing basketball because you liked the hoop looking calamari, or did you get into calamari because it reminded you of a basketball hoop? Yes. I got into calamari because the people, the culture was something I tried. There was a piece of their culture I felt like almost

when I was out in Greece. They loved seafood as a whole. It was great. I'd had it before, but I never really didn't think much of it, but it was when I went out to Greece and the way they prepared it. Yeah, and it was awesome. It was awesome.

If you were to pretend that a hoop of calamari is a basketball hoop, what food stuff would you use as the ball? It's got to be regulation standard and be like, you know. You'd probably have to use like a tater tot or something like that for a ball. Like, yeah, it would have to be something like that, you know. Relatively shaped like a ball, not exactly, or cheese bites or something like that.

Sticking with Greece, though, you could use an olive. Could use an olive. And then you've got the full sort of the Greek experience. You could call it Greek basketball and dunk an olive through the calamari hoop. Yeah. Hey, there you go. There you go.

That's actually a good, that's pretty good. Now you've said tater tots, though. I really want some tater tots. Can you get them in this country? Yeah. I'm sure you can get them somewhere. Come on. Yeah.

Can you get tater tots in this country? Well, you never see them available, do you? You don't see them advertised. You might have to buy them like, like... Have you went on Google and literally typed it? You're typing tater tots in the UK. I'm sure it's something to pop up. Tater tots in the UK.

Man, I don't know what the tater tot situation is. Tater tots in the UK. That's a song waiting to happen. Yeah. Well, you know what? I'm going to do it right now because I obviously was very confident that, of course, you would find something.

I'll do it too. I'll do it right along with you. I'm googling tater tots in the UK. Let's see. I'm the adjudicator here. You're both googling tater tots in the UK. Someone at Google HQ was going to be very confused to see. Not seeing homemade tater tots.

There appears to be a UK equivalent called Tasty Taters. There you go. But that's not tater tots. But do they look like tater tots, Tasty Taters? Not quite. I'm looking in McCain Croquettes. No. Look, I'm struggling to find tater tots in the UK, OV.

What have you found? Oh, man. Tasty Taters. We're coming, Tasty Taters. We're on the same page here. Yeah. We've both googled the same thing. I mean, there's a whole bunch of home recipes.

I don't think this is the hardest food to prepare. It doesn't seem like it's that hard to prepare. I've got some taters. I could maybe make some tater tots if it's that easy. Yeah, I'm sure you could. I mean, I don't know what level of a chef you are. If you've got the egg thing sorted out, I'm sure you guys seem to have.

You've got the egg thing down to a T. Yeah. We know all the differences between the eggs and stuff. Wacking the bowl of mineral water. Let's do this thing. That's how I make an egg. Maybe that's how I'll make a tater top. Wacking the tater with...

Yeah, I feel like that's the next level. I feel like that's a natural progression. I feel like over you'd be... We could give you a raw potato and you'd be like, ah, it's basically a tater top. It's the same ingredients. I mean, no, not quite. I like that you considered it, though.

I mean, for a gentleman my size to be fair, if you deep fried a potato, it's probably the same for me as a tater top would be for... How much food, if you're like training, how much food are you putting away on a daily basis? I guess you're... Are you training so much you can just eat whatever you want? No, because, you know, different foods make you,

you know, either feel sluggish or energised. You know, that's your fuel. So, you know, I would never say I can eat what I want. Well, I could, but workouts would just be a lot more painful and the recovery would be horrible. So, I eat a lot, but try and eat the right things. What's the worst dish you could eat for training? A lot of deep fried foods in general.

You want to make sure that you're mixing up on your plate, have a bunch of different coloured vegetables. Generally, try and lean towards baked. They do have an air-fryer, the whole air-fryer machine now, which is pretty cool. Is air-fryer, stick with the basketball theme, is that similar to Air Jordan? Not exactly.

I don't think... If you look at the revenue of both companies, I think you told that above. It's a little bit different, Ted. The whole deep-fried food is going to be a real blow to one of our previous guests. Are you familiar with the comedian Ramesh Ranganathan? I am. Well, the last name for that.

Yeah. No, no, no. It's really not even. Very gracious of you to pretend for a bit that you were. Yeah. Is your main course deep-fried? No, no, it's not. Actually, well, can we go into the main course? Yes, please.

Hey, look at that. Unison, I love it. Hey, can I ask you, can we go into the main course? Yes, please. Main course. So, I love rotisserie chicken. Yeah. And then I'm going to be a bit naughty

and go for a side of mac and cheese. Whoa. Now, mac and cheese, that's not something you obviously want to be eating on a regular basis. No. Not great for you whatsoever, but I do enjoy it on a cheat day. Yeah.

And I love it. I feel like that's part of the American culture from living out there. Really fell in love with mac and cheese. It's great. You can cook it in so many different ways. You can add little bits and pieces, just depending on how bad you want to eat on a day.

What's an average cheat day for you? Because I've never exercised enough or seriously enough that I've had cheat days. So, I don't really, I don't know the ins and outs of cheat days, but am I right in thinking that you just cheat across the board. So, with food and relationships and everything. Well, you know, I'm a single, I'm a single man at the moment.

So, you just kiss other people's palms on cheat day? No, I wouldn't do that. Well, good, you know, I don't think that, that doesn't lead to good call. And on a cheat day in training, you take like a ladder with you and stuff. Yeah. Hey, you can't, you can't cheat.

Pop it in the hoop. Cheat day. No. Over, you can't do that. You can't climb on a ladder to put it through the hoop. You go, I want a cheat day. Just mouthful of mac and cheese. Yeah.

Slab Doug, come here. Someone else's wife. Do you make an election on cheat day? No, man. Got a Florida, shuffle the ballots around a bit. Do you do cheat days though? Do you, would you like wake up, doughnut for breakfast straight away?

All the doughnut, but you know, like pancakes, waffle, you know, things of that nature. I really love pancakes to be fair. Maple syrup. I'll just go completely against what I said earlier. And I'll eat generally a lot of fried foods. I like, you know, I eat KFC. I do like KFC on a cheat day, to be honest.

But that's great because you're working so hard the rest of the time, right? So you sort of feel guilt-free. And there's sometimes quite a lot of guilt attached to food, I think. You think so? Yeah, for some people. And I think if you can like work so hard most of the time,

that then like you have one day where you're like, give it here. You can go in. This is one of my secret shames. I watch quite a lot of YouTube videos of like fitness vloggers who will just film their day when they have a cheat day. And I don't know why I like it. It's just people eating.

But I watch it. I don't know what it's called when they eat next to a microphone. What's that called? Well, there's mukbang, which is watching people eat. It's called mukbang. And then also there's like ASMR, which James really likes. James really likes ASMR, don't you, James? And you claim that it's not a sexual enjoyment.

It's not sexual. And I don't watch the food ones. But yes, ASMR is when you hear the nice little relaxing sounds. And it's not sexual. I watch the food ones. And like, you know, I've seen, you know, people do it with their pets. And you know, some people do it.

Eat their pets. Yeah, I don't know. Sorry. They eat their pets. No, no. They have their pets eat food in front of a microphone. Oh. They're, yeah, no.

I don't want, I think that's weird. I don't watch people eating their pets. I think the pets eating the food in front of a microphone is weird, eh? Then watching somebody eat their own pet. You think so? Yeah, well, maybe eating their own pet edges it. But like, they're pretty close.

And look, I'm not going to make fun of a fellow ASMRer. But you watch like a dog eating some dog food in front of a microphone. Would you watch that? No, but they'll feed the dogs like watermelon or fruits and stuff like that, you know what I mean? And I just find it's so, I don't know. It's just, it's a bit funny.

It's funny. It's funny. So is that the dream combo, OV? Is dog eating a watermelon the dream combo? Or is there a different combo that you'd like to see? Like maybe a hamster eating a hot dog, something like that? A giraffe eating a corn on the cob. No, I find the dog, good gosh, you guys are savage.

No, it's just funny. I feel like, especially the dogs are funny. Like pets, that's hilarious. Especially dogs, man. So the dogs are the best ones. And they just get mad at, they get proper excited when the food comes around. Yeah, it's just like, yeah.

They do get excited. I can literally just scroll, especially on like TikTok. I feel like TikTok is one of the weirdest apps. People can just get carried away just scrolling and scrolling for hours. And yeah, because I've watched one of those videos of dogs eating food, that tends to be what just comes up on, just comes up on my feed.

You watch one video of a dog eating a watermelon and then, hey, slippery slope, man. That's all they sent you constantly. So slippery slope. Yeah. I'm trying to think of like what the best combination of animal and food would be that I'd want to watch online. Dog eating a watermelon is pretty up there for me.

I think that's a pretty good quote. Funny, dog eating a watermelon, it's hard to top that. Yeah. Although corn on the cob, I can't get over a picture of different animals eating a corn on the cob, like a squirrel. I recommend eating a corn on the cob proper, like holding it properly and rotating it.

I'd like to see that. You know, I've seen dogs eat corn on the cob too. Corn on the cob too. They don't eat that. Yeah. Yeah. But do they just like chomp through the cob? Or do they notice to eat the corn off the cob?

No, they eat. Well, it's these French bulldogs. I'm clearly a fan. I'm clearly a fan of them. I'm thinking of a very specific page. It's these two French bulldogs, and they're so well trained. Yeah. Yeah, they're just really intelligent.

And when it's dinner time, I think it's funny. It's cool to watch. So these same French bulldogs, they're the ones who ate the watermelon and they ate the corn on the cob. Oh no, man, I'm going to forge you the page. I see it's like what I'm talking about. Like, they eat just various different stuff.

Let me see right now. Let me see what's the last thing they ate. Yeah, I want to know. Let me see what's the last thing. What's the last thing these French bulldogs ate? Okay, there we go. What was the last? Oh my God, it was watermelon.

Please. Oh man, they are eating it. Oh God. They're really eating watermelon. Someone's holding it up to their mouths and they're eating a triangle of watermelon. Ah, I told you, they eat watermelon. These are the Greek.

They're so well behaved with it as well. No, they're... I know the sound of it. Oh, the sound. No, they're awesome, man. These dogs are so intelligent, they do yoga and all kinds of things. Ovi, I've just followed them.

For anyone listening, the account on Instagram is called Gryffin Frenchie. But it's proper ASMR stuff, isn't it? The sound is so loud. Now you see what the person... Yeah, I'm on board now. I'll be honest, Ovi, when you first mentioned you liked to watch dogs eating watermelon,

my first thought wasn't, I'd like that as well. Tofu, there's one of them eating tofu. Tofu oranges, you know. Great, so let's get... Hang on, let's get back to it. So you've got rotisserie chicken. Why is rotisserie chicken better than just a normal roast chicken?

What is it about the fact it's been spinning? I feel like the juices, like... Because it's been spinning, it sort of flows through the chicken, I guess a bit more, because it's on the turn. Evenly cooked. Would you like to see a French bulldog eating a rotisserie chicken

whilst it's still spinning around on the spit? Yes. Oh, no, well, wouldn't that mean that the French bulldog was overly close to the fire? Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah, I don't know, yeah, that's not a good thing. I've not thought that through. Yeah, unfortunately, the French bulldog

would get quite sunburned, or, I mean, it would die, wouldn't it? It would melt. Is it cooked? Yeah. Oh, gosh. What kind of person... No, that was my fault.

I'm going to cook a French bulldog! Oh! Oh! No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Fruits is okay. Yeah, I feel it fruit, but don't defeat it anything while the food is still on a fire. That's your rule.

And it's your side dish, your dream side dish, the mac and cheese. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. Mac and cheese. Different kind of cheeses. You can put some shrimp in there. What? Um, like, you can really mix up with mac and cheese.

I've had so many different kinds that I've all been amazing, like. You mean to Samac in New York? I know, I haven't. I haven't. I think it's Es apostrophe Mac, it's in mac and cheese, and they do loads of different kinds of mac and cheese.

And one of the things they do is a sampler, where it's like a big hot plate, but it's divided up into triangles like a pizza, and each has a different triangle of mac and cheese, and it's different flavours in each one. And I went and got that in the new year. It was very nice.

What flavours, James? Take us through the flavours. My favourite one, I think, was a hotter one. Maybe it had jalapenos in or something. One was just like, it just had so much cheese that it was like extra cheesy mac and cheese. That's what I like.

There was one with some meat in it, with some ham in there and bacon and stuff. I can't remember what the best one was, really, but it was good. It was a cold day. It's nice to go in there, share that. There's three of us.

Work our way through it. Sidewalk when you like the best. If you had that to yourself, that's a lot. Yeah, that's a lot. A lot to yourself, but what was good, share it with some people. Decide what one you like the best. Order that one for yourself, a whole portion of it.

Did you say you used to live in America, OV? Yeah, I did. Whereabouts in America do you live? Just a little bit. I lived in Virginia, lived in Alabama, and I lived in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. And you're playing basketball out there?

Indeed, indeedy, indeedy. Is there any food you miss from America that you wish you had more? I would say just the Southern cooking. You know, the Southern culture and the Southern cooking, sort of candy yams, you know, the mac and cheese.

Breakfast, they had grits. You know, the grits with sugar. You could have a maple syrup. Just the little things like that. You know, I mean, the cultural foods that they had over there. I do miss those. Thanksgiving was always huge.

You'd see every single food under the sun. You know, the spread would be so amazing. What food do you get on Love Island? Because you never really see people eating, and then everyone's in their trunks the whole time. So I miss, no one ever looks like they've just had lunch on Love Island. Listen to him actin' like he doesn't know, Curtis.

You know what kind of food you had, Curtis. You know exactly what we have. No, you know, they generally just have, they have catering, isn't it? So they're bringing different food every day, because I don't think anyone just wants to watch people eat and dinner. You do.

That's exactly what you like. That's different, eating fruit, eating fruit. I mean, if you're eating a fruit, a piece of fruit for dinner, you're great. Imagine, Ozy, on the next series, the first episode when everyone comes out one by one, and all of the islanders are out, and then there's one more surprise islander,

and it's one of the French Bulldogs from Griffin, Frenchy. Win, that's your winner. That's your winner, immediately, yeah. That's your winner. If when you were on the island, that was like, you know, someone that they added to the island halfway through, it's the French Bulldog.

Would you just turn to the person who you're coupled up with and say, I'm sorry, it is over, and then go in the water and pick up the French Bulldog? I mean, I wasn't coupled up with anyone for pretty much the majority of the time. That's pretty cool. Because you were waiting for the French Bulldog.

So we come to your dream drink. Dream drink. Yeah, you know, I had to think about this one, and this one might be a bit on the boring side, but I honestly, I only drink water, guys. I genuinely, genuinely only drink, like, I drink water. Sometimes, you know, I'd have a bear on a night out, or something like that, but yeah, I love water, man.

Like, it's... You drink, drink, it's water. That's my dream drink, man. That's my dream. That's my dream drink. You already had that answer. You had sparkling water, and now, somehow, your drink drink is way more...

I had sparkling water. We can double it up with still. You're doubling up with still. We can double it up with still. I'll take one of those little satchets that you can get, a touch of fruit in there. Just a touch of flavour in there. And we'll just go...

Hold on. Your dream drink... Cleanse the palate. Let me get this straight. Your dream drink is still water. Still water? After choosing sparkling water. Spring. Fresh, fresh, spring water. Don't try and make yourself more exciting

by saying it's fresh spring water. That is way more exciting. You can't taste the difference. Yeah, there you go. Can you taste the difference between spring water and normal tap water? Yeah, I think I can taste the difference. Probably, yes.

Yeah, man. It's fresh. The best quencher. This is what your body's made. Like, your body's, what, 67% warm or whatever it is. Yeah. You need it, man.

I love... Yeah. I bet you've never heard that one before. No. There you go. It's the first. I love that you guys... Oh, this might be a bit on the boring side.

I know it's like, oh, no, it's definitely not going to be. He's just a bit worried that his drink... Oh, no, it is, but it is water. He's picked water as his drink. It's water, man. There was a long pause that you left after saying it was going to be boring. And I literally, in that pause, thought to myself,

what's boring? Water. Well, he's not going to pick water. Maybe it's... I know you meant water. It's definitely water. But I did genuinely think about it, and I wanted to think about something that I had a lot,

but, yeah, for a while now, it's just... How much water do you drink a day? A couple bottles at least. Like two liters of bottles, at least. But because I'm working out and I'm sweating a lot, I'm losing a lot of water, so... Yeah. And it's to a point where, when I drink something else,

like the sugar in it, it tastes so sweet, or, you know, it's almost extreme because I drink so much water generally. Yeah. Yeah, and it ends up just being either too sweet and it doesn't even taste nice to me anyway. Uh-huh. Well, Obi, I'm going to list some

alternative drinks to you. And you could tell me why water is better than them on each one. Okay. Okay? Cup of tea? Cup of tea's what caffeine in it. Probably not great for you, is it? And a long time to be fair, health-wise.

Okay. Milk shake. Milk shake. And again! Ha-ha-ha-ha! That's definitely not better for your health. You just gone down there. You haven't gone for something that's better for you. Okay.

He's not going to back down on this, James. He's picked water as his dream drink. No, that's not my choice. It's done. I'm just trying to understand the decision a bit more. Tequila. Well, that speaks for itself. Tequila.

Who's ever made a good choice on tequila? That's right. No, I very rarely, people go, I'd like a tequila as their first drink. It's never a good choice. Oh, yeah. Sure. Tequila is that.

You definitely went, you went, oh, you're getting worse and worse. Go on. What's the next one? Causton press. What is that? That is a lightly fizzy but not very fizzy apple drink with rhubarb in it, if you're me.

I like the rhubarb and apple Causton press. Yeah. I mean, it'll probably just taste like a sugar drink to me to be fair. So will everything just taste like sugar to you? Damn, yeah. Yeah. Honestly, it generally does, man. Like I have a coffee in the morning.

Do you know what I mean? I do have a coffee in the morning to wake myself up, but then throughout the day, unless I drink another coffee, yeah. You were having a coffee when we, just before we started recording this, because what the listener doesn't know is, I think it's our favorite ever introduction to a guest.

We were sat on the recording software waiting for you, and then you appeared with a cup of coffee, you took a big sip, you saw us, you laughed, and then you disappeared. And honestly, for about 10 minutes, and what it felt like was that you logged in, saw us, and thought, well, I'll fuck this, and then just left.

Oh, no. See, the thing is, I logged in and I was laughing, and I was drinking a coffee, and then you guys started laughing. I thought we were all laughing together, only to find out that it was just, yeah, I wasn't actually in the joke. It was a perfect entrance.

Also, I've never been more jealous of a guest who says that everything tastes like sugar to them. I wish everything tasted like sugar. I love it. James has got a real sweet tooth, and basically anything sugary tastes like normal to him, so he will just eat piles and piles of sugary stuff, and it doesn't even register as sweet.

It's just, sugar to you is like water to Ovi, isn't it? Yes, absolutely. That would be my dream, drink sugar. No, but the thing is, it's different. I'm not saying that I don't eat things that have sugar in them or whatnot, but it's just like, when I'm drinking a drink, for me, I want it to quench my thirst.

You know what I mean? And I feel like nothing can quench my thirst. Like water can. Look, we've come after you so hard for the water, and you've stopped by it, and I've got a lot of respect for that, Ovi. Oh, of course. Hey, you're not going to make me feel bad.

You come to the dessert? Oh, yeah. See, this is why I drank water so I can go ham on it. Yeah. For the dessert, an apple crumble with custard is a classic. And to be fair, I remember apple crumble and custard from school dinners, man. And I always used to love the dessert,

and school dinners, funny enough. Maybe I might be alone in that one, but... I don't think you're alone in that at all. I think it's stuff like apple crumble, like big tray bake stuff that they could do in like a mass way, so delicious. Yeah, the big tray bake. Yeah, and that's just one of those things

that takes you back to, you know, childhood, good memories, good times. Do you have any particular memories associated with apple crumble? Well, funny enough, I remember once hanging around, if you finished your school dinners, obviously you could go out to the playground to play or whatnot, or, you know, you could hang around.

Now, I was one of the hungry kids, so, you know, I hung around for seconds of dessert or whatnot. And I got my dessert, finished that, and then I remember just being happy. I ran. I was running inside, and I ran into a teacher, and being a big kid, I almost knocked him flat on his back seat. And I don't think I've ever been yelled at the way

that teacher yelled at me, bearing in mind, this was when I was probably in like year four, I think? Yeah, three or four. So, yeah, a year four kid almost knocking you down as a fully grown man. I get it now. So, in the dream restaurant, would you like two bowls of apple crumble for your dessert?

Yeah. Oh, I feel like in the dream restaurant, you can have as much apple crumble as you want. You can have a whole tray. Would you like James to dress as a dinner lady, as he serves it? I don't mind it. I don't know about that one.

If you want to, I'm not a gay. I don't mind. If that's what you want to do. I do, I do. I would like to do that. It won't scare me away from the restaurant at all, but... And you would like it to be the same apple crumble you had for school dinners as well?

You want that apple crumble? Yeah. Yeah, it was always tasty. It was always great. Why go away from things that are already, you know, why over complicate things? You know what I mean? It was tasty, man.

We get older and we think things need to be over-complicated. Nah, not necessarily. Can you remember the names of any of your dinner ladies who want to do any, like, shout-out? Oh, no. No, I don't remember it. You know? Remember they were...

Well, they seemed like they were old at the time, but maybe that was just me being a kid and thinking that everyone, probably over 35, was extremely old. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? I just remember they were all quite old. Ovee Wood, if there was an Instagram account

which was dinner ladies eating apple crumble really close to the microphone, would you follow it? I don't know why. It's not French Griffey, is it? No, it's a dinner lady, a 36-year-old dinner lady. I don't know if I would follow that to be fair. I don't know if that's my... That's not my cup of tea.

Couple's water. That's not my cup of water. What if a dinner lady was just being a dinner lady and not eating, but, like, just playing as a dinner lady and just saying, hello, would you like a second bowl of apple crumble? You're a growing boy. I think it was the apple crumble

that made me like the apple crumble, not the dinner lady. It was all part of the process, isn't it? So, if there was the dinner lady going, hello, would you like another bowl of apple crumble? You're a big growing boy. You're only a year four. Would you like that?

You're a growing lad. I don't know. I feel like if a lady spoke to me almost 30 in that manner, yeah. Not sure about that. Quite right. So, I just back away from that interaction. Stranger danger.

Slowly. What if this podcast episode goes out and one of your old school dinner ladies gets in touch and offers to make you a big apple crumble now, just the way she used to and invites you over to her house to eat the apple crumble? Would you say yes? I don't think I would.

I don't think I would, you know. If they remember me from year four. Now, that's a bit scary. I don't know how many year fours teachers do remember. We know one of them. One of the teachers remembers you, because you nearly knocked them over. He killed it.

He might, he might not. He might not. I feel like, you know, I'm second in his school. How many kids were knocking him over every day? Yeah, well, he definitely didn't. Yeah, I was probably one of the bigger year four kids. I don't know if I would go to one of my old dinner ladies. That sounds, it just sounds so creepy.

Yeah. Yeah, especially if you arrived and she was still dressed as a dinner lady, right? Hello, honey. Come in. Because if I felt like she was old back then, then she's definitely, oh, she's super old now. She's up there.

Yeah, she's up there. But you've got to wear your school uniform as well. Yeah, that's one of the rules. All right, well, there we go. That's where everything took a sharp turn. Guys, I'm out. All right, I'm out. That's where everything...

He's left the restaurant. He's not even paying the bill. He's done. Dream restaurant? You have to pay in a dream restaurant? No, not at all, actually. I thought it was a dream restaurant. No, you don't have to pay.

You don't have to pay in a dream restaurant. There you go. Hey, I feel like... I made the jacket shot. Yeah. I made the jacket shot. I feel like if you make the jacket shot, then you get your meal.

Yeah. If you miss it, then... And let's just assume I made it. I think that's totally fair. I'm going to read you your order back to you now, Obi. See how you feel about it? You had sparkling water at the start, but not the last we'll see of that, did you?

You chose poppidoms with a sweet chili dip. The starter was crispy calamari for grease. Lovely. Little hoops. Main course. Yeah, main course with tissue chicken. Side dish mac and cheese. Drink.

Fresh spring water. Dessert. Two bowls of your school apple crumble with custard. Bingo. That's the hell of a deal. And all the time, you're sat across the table from Griffin Frenchie. Yeah.

Who is eating all of those things at the same time. Eating what? No, no, no. I can't give them that. It'll be bad for dogs. Come on, man. I feel like that would be a bad for a dog's health. I don't think watermelons are particularly good

for a dog's health, is it? Well, I think it's better than apple crumble when it comes to this. It's fair enough. I think it's a bit better than apple crumble. But, you know, hey, they can drink while I drink. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, you've left that open before.

They can drink it, yeah. Absolutely. They drink the two types of water you've got on your menu. Well, thank you so much, Obi-Wan Kenobi, for coming in. Oh, he did it. He said he was going to do it. You've got it in there.

You've got it in there. Obi Soko there. Hesitate to say a wonderful menu. There were things I enjoyed about it, and there were some things that, to me, were crazy. To pick water, James. I know. Oh, I mean, I think a lot of people

are going to have an issue with that. But I'll tell you what, there's no doubt in it that it's his dream menu. Some people, I'm like, I don't believe you. He absolutely, the conviction in his voice, I can tell that's his favorite. I guess you just got to let, even though he's already had water out of the order of the course,

you've got to just top it up. Give him some more. I mean, that guy's going to be going for so many peas during the meal. He's going to be up and down from the table. He's going to be crazy. I love that we let him have water, and we're like, hey, that's his dream meal, but then someone like Joel Domet has a protein shake.

Absolutely not. Unacceptably. Yeah. Destroy him. Absolutely destroyed Joel. He's still getting destroyed to this day. Keep it going, people. Keep it going.

Look, Obi's a professional sports person. He knows what he can and can't have. He doesn't like anything apart from water. Fair enough, mate. And he may have had water as his drink, James, but thank the Lord, there was a lychee bobbing around in that water. Praise be.

Praise be, because if he'd said that, he would have been kicked out, but no, there was no lychee forthcoming from Obi. Mack and lychee's, that could have been a combination that he wanted, but luckily. Oh, imagine. We were so close to him. We were so close.

There may have been a risk of cheese, but never was there a risk of lyes, apart from on cheek day, where you were allowed to lie as much as you. You're allowed to lie and take a ladder. Yes. So, if you enjoyed the sound of Obi and you liked his vibe,

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