Office Ladies - A Look Back on Scott’s Tots with B.J. Novak

Episode Date: April 3, 2024

This week we take a look back on “Scott’s Tots”! The ladies chat with the director of this episode and the man behind the sometimes-fedora-wearing Ryan Howard, B.J. Novak! Often referred to as the “cringiest” episode, B.J. discusses what it was like directing his first “Office” episode, Angela shares a deleted scene where Dwight impersonates Meredith and Jenna shares a real-life Scott’s Tots' success story. So, if you’re a Stanley, you will love this episode. But if you’re a Pam…well, we still think you’ll enjoy this episode even though Michael has done a terrible, terrible thing. It’s just terrible. Check out Office Ladies Merch at Podswag: https://www.podswag.com/collections/office-ladies Office Ladies Website - Submit a fan question: https://officeladies.com/submitaquestionFollow Us on Instagram: OfficeLadiesPod

I'm Jenna Fisher. And I'm Angela Kinsey. We were on The Office together. And we're best friends. And now we're doing the Ultimate Office Rewatch podcast just for you. Each week we will break down an episode of The Office and give exclusive behind the scenes stories that only two people who were there can tell you. We're The Office ladies.

Hello Angela. Hi Jenna. We are here. We are surrounded by lamps. Office Ladies. Hello, Angela. Hi, Jenna. We are here. We are surrounded by lamps. So both of us have some progressive eye sight issues. Problems, yes.

Deteriorating eyesight. And we both just got new glasses. But here's the thing we need, lots of light. I need a well-lit room. I am that person at a restaurant now who is holding the little votive candle. Over the menu. Yeah, that's right. And using your iPhone light.

I try not to use the iPhone light because it's just so incredibly embarrassing, but it sometimes comes to that. Oh, I've let it go. I'm iPhone light. I would like to point this out, and maybe I shouldn't put it in our stories. We have an addition to the overhead light that comes in this room, right? There's track lighting, there's all these bulbs. We have brought in lamps. I'm talking floor lamps, guys, like that you see at Target, you know, the floor lamps. We have one, two, three, four, four around us right now,

four floor lamps. We're ladies who love lamps. We're the lamp ladies. We're the lamp ladies. And we're here today to talk to you about Scott's Tots. Season six, episode 12, written by Lee Eisenberg and Gene Stupnitsky and directed by BJ Novak. Our very own BJ Novak.

Yeah. Here's a summary. It's time for Michael to face the music on an empty promise that he made 10 years ago. Ugh. Here's the promise. He told 15 elementary school students that when they graduated from high school, he would pay their college tuition. Because he believed he would be a millionaire by that time.

But he's not. And he can't do it. Nope. So he's going to have to go to their school and tell them today. In person. Meanwhile, Dwight hatches a diabolical plan to try and get Jim fired. He literally calls it a diabolical plan. Yep.

He printed out a little outline of his plan. So, as many of you know, this episode is considered the cringiest. Yeah, Jen and I were talking as we prepped for this episode we both went online. There are so many articles that list the cringiest moments or cringiest episodes of The Office and Scott's Tot pretty much makes number one on almost all the lists. Well, we're very excited today because we are interviewing the director of this episode, BJ Novak. We're going to ask him all about it.

B.J., hello. Welcome to Office Ladies. Thank you. Welcome back, I've been on. Wait, are we starting with some BJ Sass? I think we just started with Sass already. I love it. Whoa, whoa, whoa, that's not my brand.

It's the Ryan brand. It's the Ryan sass coming through. Yes, welcome back to Office Ladies. Is this your third? Second. Second. You have no memory of any of this. Do I know you?

Have we met? Who are you? How'd you get into Zoom? You're on my IMDB right now. It's like, oh wow. I guess I worked with him. Okay. BJ, thanks so much for being here. Yeah, I keep staring at you two. It's pretty cool. I'm like, are they the same people?

I know I did this before, but. Well, we're the same, just slightly rounder. Yeah. I was talking to Brian Baumgartner for the first time in forever, not in person. And I was like, when I see him, is he even Brian to me anymore? Is it just like, Kevin? Like it's this weird blur when it's been so long. Well, I totally get that though, because Jen and I also live in this weird kind of surreal place where we see you every week.

Every week, but we- Oh, because you rewatch. Yeah. And we rewatch multiple times as we do research and stuff. So we'll watch each episode three times at least, you know? Wow. Yeah. And it's... You're in that phase, your character's in that phase right now where like every week you're doing something weird like wearing a fedora or glasses or like a weird patterned vest. Yes, that's what you do when you don't know what to do with the character.

Or like a weird patterned vest. Yes, that's what you do when you don't know what to do with the character. But you guys are living in our brains in this like, this predated place, you know? Obviously, you are the DNA of you enjoy watching the stuff you've done. Yeah. And I'll say this, my lore of the show before we started this rewatch was that it was only good for a few seasons. And then it was like meh. I know. We were really snobby about it.

And it's not true. I thought season three, I was like, this show is over. But it is not true at all. We're in the middle of season six. We're like perusing right into season seven. And it is a pleasure and a joy to watch. There were episodes where I thought, oh, that I remember when we were doing them

that we were like, oh, so broad and blah. And Jen and I are watching them and laughing our asses off. Yeah, like mafia. I was like, when we shot mafia, I was like, what has happened to us? Why is Ed dressed as a mechanic? It is just, it's amazing. Like, there's just nothing wrong with it.

I mean, some of the bigger swings are more clear. Why you doubt them like Kevin and the chili. Did we talk about Mindy and I were like, no, this is the dumbest. I was like, okay, the cold open Kevin makes chili. He loves it. He walks up, he spills the chili. And we're like, that's the joke. We're like this intellectual show and it's like a classic.

Yeah. It's also like when you're in a school play, when you're a kid and your parents see Saturday night or Friday night, and you're like, it was so much better Saturday. The parents are like, I know you think that. To me, it's just you in a play. Yeah. I feel like to me, it's just you in a play. Okay? And I feel like to fans, it's like, okay,

but it's Jim and Pam, it's still The Office, guys. I'm sorry that season six wasn't season, it's very funny, I get it. It's the same show. Oh, that's really good, actually. That's so true. It's so true. Thank you for coming on today.

Oh, I love it. So that we could talk about Scott's Tots, which you directed. It was your directorial debut of The Office. Of anything, yeah. Now, had you not directed a webisodes before this? Oh, that's true. I did the webisodes. Yeah. But you know, the first substantial thing. Do you guys remember anything about the show? The two of you? The...

Hand-me-j. Angela, you want to just handle this on your own? I mean, I think you got this. I got this. Well, we have some stats to throw at you about some reviews of Scott's Tots. We do. Just so we get clear, did you bring me on to answer for Scott's Tots? No. Apologize?

No, no, no. Okay, okay. No, no, no. Because I know some of this, but please, let's refresh. No, not at all, not at all. Okay, what are they saying? Scott's Tots is widely referred to as the cringiest episode of The Office. The majority of our fan questions that we got for this episode were not questions at all.

They were actually just comments on how cringey and uncomfortable it is for people to watch this show, how a lot of people skip it when they do a re-watch of the show. We found an article on Bustle.com that was titled this, the scientific reason office fans really can't watch Scott's Tots no matter how hard they try. Oh, there's a whole article. There's a doctor and everything. Yes, Dr. Judith Orloff is the author of the Empath Survival Guide, and she said, quote,

fans might very well avoid this episode to avoid something painful that's hard to face in themselves. There is a subreddit with almost 17,000 subscribers that is titled, cannot watch Scott's Tots, and it is still regularly updated. This was my favorite. What? One person on this subreddit said that Scott's Tots is like the moment Toby put his hand

on Pam's knee but stretched out for a whole episode. BJ, at the time, did you know? Did you know that you were directing what would become the cringiest episode of The Office? I had no idea. It seemed great. I was assigned the script, loved it. It was only much later.

I think it's a sign of how deep into the show I was or we all were, that we did not have a foot in the real world. Not that it was an unrealistic episode, just that that's exactly what Michael would do, that's exactly what Michael would do, that's exactly what Michael would feel. I also think that, you know, we can talk about it creatively. It makes a lot of sense to me. I don't know if people are responding to...

It seems like no one's responding to, it's a bad episode or it's Michael wouldn't do that. It's more just like, that's so hard to watch. So it is consistent, I think, with the show. So to us, it just made sense. It was consistent. I don't remember anyone saying, you can't do this. But to me, I mean, it is heartbreaking

from both the kid's perspective, sure, but from Michael's perspective, which is the one you just happened to be following in the office, which is that he, to me, the key to the episode was that Michael was so sure that he would be successful, that he could make this promise. Yeah. Yeah. He so believed in himself.

Yes. It's not, to me, it's not about the lie. It's not about what ended up being a lie or a broken promise. He got carried away with his generosity, his belief in himself. So to me, it was a very... Maybe this is what people can do about it. It's a very, very lovable version of Michael Scott, as well as a heartbreaking version of Michael Scott. It's the whole series in an incredibly distilled uncomfortable way

from the Michael Scott point of view, when you look at it like that. To me, it's maybe one of the most Michael things Michael has ever done. 100 percent. I love the line so much. I felt like it was everything you need to know about Michael when he says, I've made some empty promises in my life, but hands down, that was the most generous.

That line is like so perfect. BJ, I made a list because there are a bunch of articles that list the cringiest episodes of The Office. Get ready. You wrote most of them. They're Prince Family Paper, Diversity Day, Sexual Harassment, and Chair Model, all of which you wrote. Yes.

Yes. Chair Model, you remember Chair Model, where Michael falls in love with a woman in a magazine and finds out she's died. And he is as if like he lost his wife for 50 years. Paul Lieberstein wrote a lot. I love that episode. Paul is the source of the darkness on that one. And look, I wrote a lot of very joyous stuff too.

I wrote a lot of The Jim and Pam. I wrote Threat Level Midnight, which is a very joyful episode. So I'm not, it's not like I'm the Prince of Darkness on the show. And also, look, there were what? How many hundred episodes? I worked on like, you know, more than half of them. So it's not, I'm not just this, this dark figure. I'm proud of it. I'm less dark now though, because again, I do hear this and I do go, Oh my god, like how was I capable of some of this? Like especially when I when I see Ryan Howard, I'm like, Oh my god, like I don't see any villain like this. Here's the Mashable article that comes out after this episode. BJ Novak, Prince of Darkness of the Office.

Yeah. No, BJ, we love, like, my god. No, I think the dark is important. And I think that I remember after season one, which was six episodes, and I think all of them ended pretty darkly, right? The pilot, hot girl, I mean, we had that nice moment at the end of diversity, but the pilot diversity day, hot girl, healthcare,

extremely dark. Basketball, I don't remember. Office Olympics and basketball maybe were a little more positive endings. But, you know, we had sort of a big group meeting that Greg led about, okay, what are we going to do differently in season two? And there was a lot different. And one of them was three out of four endings should be positive.

And then one is just for us, meaning Paul. He was like, we're not going to totally sell out. But the British had ended dark every time, more or less. And we had been ending dark every time, more or less. And so the new thing was, you know, so I guess Scott's Tots was definitely one of those four. One for us. Yeah. But again, I do think it's an interesting, it is a deep, interesting one.

It's not that it's not part of the canon. It is very difficult, I agree. I think, though, it is Michael. It's honestly Michael trying to do something good, believing in himself, knowing. Well, I don't think he knows he's going to fall short. Well, look how much he believes in Pam and her art. I know.

He is such a believer. He is. And so his belief got ahead of him. And this is by far, exactly like the line you quoted, this is the biggest consequence of all of his belief. Now we should remind people or I should remind people, I wish I had. I admire it. I did not write the episode. This was a Lee Eisenberg and Gene Sibnitsky episode. And I hope it doesn't sound like I'm disowning it either,

because I know we talked about some of you who are uncomfortable. You know, these are two of, I think, the most brilliant writers, the backbone of the show, when a lot of the original staff was burnt out. These guys took the ball and a lot of the sort of center, central seasons of the, of the office that people, that were really humming, that was Lee and Gene,

were just turning out scripts and revising scripts they're not even credited for. So those guys were really an incredible backstop for that. But, you know, the But look, Gene in particular, I think is the best one-liner writer in office history. He's the one who wrote, I'm not superstitious, but I'm a little stitious. So I would guess he wrote that line.

But yeah, maybe we're getting a little off track, but that is this incredible distillation of why we love Michael so much and why he's made everyone's life so impossibly difficult, which is sort of the heart and the comedy of the series. But it's not usually that intense, you know? Well, what was it like, BJ, you talked about, you know, Lee and Gene as the writers, but you went from writing to directing on The Office. And what was was it like, BJ, you talked about, you know, Lee and Jean as the writers, but you went from writing to directing on The Office.

And what was that shift like to go from the writer's room to being the director of the episode? It felt very intuitive. I took it very seriously, but I overprepared. I don't think I did any better on the first one than I did on the fifth one that I did. But I think that it's just very interesting what is required to leap from writer to director and I think to an extent actor to director is so much the confidence to picture yourself saying action and cut. Did you get any advice from anyone before you

started directing? Yes, I got the best advice and I pass it on to anyone who directs. So the first piece of advice I got, first of all, it's good advice in general, ask everyone for advice. People love giving advice. So anytime you wish you had advice and you're shy, I ask them, people will talk your ear off.

So I asked everybody, what's your advice for directing? And I should also, we should clarify directing an ongoing TV show is incredibly different. The actors know the characters, the writers know the story, the directors, photography and cameramen know how to shoot it. If you just stand there and nicely and intuitively and confidently ask everyone, how would you shoot this? How would you schedule this? Did that feel good to you? You're fine. Because the show is set in the pilot stage,

whereas a movie or a limited series, which is essentially like a long movie, you have to establish, is there music in the show? Is this a very colorful show? Is this a little bit of a campy wink wink show? Is it super dead pan? Like you have to establish all these things.

But on an ongoing show, it's kind of like, I look, I took it super seriously because it's an amazing first step, but it's not nearly as hard, you know, coming into an ongoing show. Okay. The advice I got from Randall Einhorn, our long time director of photography

and later our most prolific director on the show, I said, you have advice? He said, yes. Direct the cameras like they're actors. I said, what do you mean? He said, you'd never tell an actor, shout this line and cut it off after three seconds, right? You tell them why. So you never tell

the camera, swing to the left on this line and punch in on that. You'd say, this is where we catch Pam in her lie. So I would creep up to her and find that moment and don't let her out. You know what I mean? And it inspires so much more creativity. It's so much more respectful. And you're more likely to get what you're looking for. And, you know, I've extended that to direct to everyone, like their actors. You don't tell the costume department, I want him in a suit.

You say, this is a character who's so insecure that he takes himself, he tries to tell the world he's important. I want him in a suit. Every day he'll wear a suit. Now the costume designer is so excited, you know, rather than, oh, she went to Sears and got a suit, then you say, make it look fancier.

No one understands what you're doing. No one's motivated. Whereas actors, that's how you talk to an actor, right? And people know that much more. So direct everyone like they're actors is, I think, the best advice I got on that show. Other advice I got later, the other two great pieces of advice, a friend Lee Whannell who just wrote and directed Invisible Man,

which I thought was great and he had been a writer forever. He said that he actually took a panel on directing at the Writers Guild of America. He's like, BJ, I want to as Australian accent. He's like, it's the kind of thing you get junk mail for. Come to this seminar, blah, blah, blah. It was the best thing I've ever been to in my life. It was like John Wells. It was Catherine Bigelow. And they were giving practical advice and cynical advice and inspiring advice. And he was like, it was the best thing I've ever been to and everything I tell you is going to be from that. This advice was the best thing I've ever been to and everything I tell you is gonna be from that. This advice was the best thing you can do as a director

is watch the movie in your head as much as you can. Whenever you're in doubt, just take a walk and watch the whole movie in your head again and again and again. And then when you're in a production meeting and someone says, what does the room look like? You just say what you see and they figure it out. You don't need to know what the lens is and what the lighting scheme is.

If someone says, you know, what are they wearing or how do you want to shoot this? You know, you can say, oh, I picture close ups or I picture, oh, you're like looking from a distance, you know. It will have the same effect as if you studied everything in school because the point is to know the heart. So watch the movie in your head. The other piece of advice that's so simple, this was I have a friend whose father is Al Ruddy, who produced The Godfather. And I asked him if he had any advice on directing. He said, you only need to know two things to direct, what you want and how to get it.

And I was like, you know what? I think that's the best advice I've gotten for anything. Because those are two very hard things in a way knowing what you want is even harder. But all of us can approach, okay, if you know what you want and how to get it, you'll accomplish anything. And we do that for all sorts of things. And how to get it includes asking someone for help, or to understand something, or to explain something, or to beg them for a favor, or to grind them down because they're just not getting it and whatever it is or inspiring them or whatever you need to get it.

So that's what you want and how to get it. And then I told them, I ran into him and I was like, you gave me the best advice ever and I quoted him. And he's like, oh, there's a third part. I forgot to tell you. You gotta know when you got it. I was like, I don't like that one. I'm editing that one out.

You're not wrong. You're not wrong, but it's not as good a quote. And I said that to him. He's like, no, no, you gotta know when. I think he just worked on a movie with some director it took forever. I was like, Al, no, this is not, this is Godfather part three.

This is not as good. So I just quote the first two parts. That's so true, BJ. I know, you know, Angela and I changed our whole lives because we wanted to get something. We wanted to get a quality of life. We wanted to be able to make it to soccer practice. We want to take our kids to school. I didn't know you play soccer.

Seriously. I'm sweeper, BJ. Nothing's getting into the goal. No, we just wanted to make our families first. And yeah, just have agency over our own schedules and our time and pour that into our family as a priority. And we didn't know how to get it. That took a long time.

It took a lot of experimenting. Years of kind of griping to each other. Yeah. But then eventually we did it. And here we are interviewing you on our podcast, which is the result of our wanting to get something. And we did know how to do it. No, as you were talking. But it's so much easier to figure out how to do it. Like the worst person to work with, someone who doesn't know what they want. Oh my God, what a nightmare, right?

You knew what you wanted, so now you're like, I have no idea how to get this. But, like, you figure that out. But you're right. I've worked with directors who don't know what they want, and it really puts everybody through the wringer, you know? You're changing clothes a million times, and you're doing the role different ways, and everyone, it really runs people

into the ground, but someone with a very clear vision, then you're on set and you're like, okay, well, how do we do it? How do we make this happen? Like, just give me something that I can hang on to. If your vision is clear, we'll get there. Oh, I have one other very cynical piece of directing advice, and it does not make the top three, but it really worked. And someone said to me, who had worked on The Office, said, here's my advice. Pick one shot that's a special shot. It doesn't have to make sense. It just stands out.

It doesn't quite fit. And the network will tell you, you're a great director. Cause they'll notice it and they'll feel proud. And I did that. I think it was maybe in the web, I said, no, I think it was in this. There's a shot where Creed is like standing by the doorway and waiting to go into the room.

I don't know which episode it was in, but literally the network is that call me person is like, BJ, you are a great director. And it was that shot. And it was like, it was a stretch that the, I mean, it didn't break the office style, but that is a cynical thing. And definitely when you see, like I've joked, the easiest way to win an Oscar is to be a cinematographer and decide to shoot the movie in glorious black and white.

Like anything that calls attention to yourself as a director is so rewarded. Um, so that is my cynical advice. If you do want to, if you're, if you have the chance to direct something and you want people to think you're good, do something visually unusual, which will flatter the intelligence. Do one odd thing and every critic and every person will say, ooh, you know, you're good.

Whereas if you just shoot intuitively, like Harold Ramis, you know, you're good. Whereas if you just shoot intuitively, like Harold Ramis, you know, is a great director. He directed a lot for us, but, you know, his movies are classics, but no one talks about him as a great director because he didn't call attention to himself. Rob Reiner, to me, is the greatest director of our lifetimes.

Because if you look at the movies he directed, they are the classics of their genres. He did Spinal Tap, which is the classic mockumentary, Stand By Me, classic coming of age, Princess Bride, classic family movie, Few Good Men, classic, and I don't just mean classic, I mean the epitome of their genre. Harry Met Sally, epitome of romantic comedy.

And people don't talk about him, you know, because he just did it so right that he was invisible. If he had had like, you know, like an overhead camera in the ceiling fan, and Harry met Sally, everyone's saying he's such a great director. But you know. BG, that reminds me of a piece of

acting advice that I got that I use all the time. What? So in any project, if it's a TV show or a movie, my acting coach said, you pick one moment for your character that you decide in this project is your big moment of realization, a confession, something. You pick one. And before you say that line, you pause, move forward,

and then say it. And it will blow people away. And he said, even in auditioning, if you have just an audition scene, you pick one line in that audition scene where you pause and then you lean in before you say that line and you'll get the part every time. I swear to God, after I got that piece of acting advice, I went on a bunch of auditions. I got callbacks for like 12 auditions in a row when I did that little move in thing. And I still use it. I still use that. That's amazing. Okay. This is so funny to me. Is that in your book?

I still use that. That's amazing. Okay, this is so funny to me. Is that in your book? It's not in my book because I didn't want to steal his thunder. Oh, got it. Robert Devonzo, my acting coach, and I put him in the book and I said, call this guy and take his class. He'll give you the best advice.

But I guess now I've put it on my podcast. So sorry, Robert. My acting coach did something similar. She was this very amazing older woman. And she said that she was auditioning for a movie. She was from France. And she had an old crown, like some dental work, that as she was giving her big speech,

she felt pop off in her mouth. And so she paused with her tongue to put it back in to cover her tooth back. And the pause was so long, the room became quiet. And then once she got her crown back over her tooth, she finished her line and the casting director said, that was the most powerful audition we have ever seen. She got the heart.

And so she was like, so sometimes you know, pause. That's my French impression, but, and it does. It's like, it's the one moment that doesn't make sense. And people are like, why doesn't that make sense? That's such a good way to distill the common thread of those two things. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, okay. We actually wanted to talk to you also about what it was like to shoot those two days in the school. You had a huge big group of kids in a classroom. What was it like directing such a big group like that? I guess an advantage of mine is I love talking to kids and groups of kids. Now, they were probably looking back 18 because the way the guilds work,

you can work very different hours because of child labor for a kid over 18, or even over 16, the rules are very different. So you'll generally cast people who just turned 18 and look young or just turned 16 and look young for roles that are supposed to be younger. So those kids were probably slightly over 18. That said, they were still like, you know,

they kid energy playing kid. I just love talking to kids. You know, when I read my kid's book, the book with no pictures, like a classroom, it's like the happiest I am. So I guess to me being like, all right, everybody, here's what happened. You know, this guy, Michael Scott, Steve over here, he did this. They knew it, they got into it. Again, you talk to everyone like their actors, including the background actors, because it was mostly background actors in the class. Most kids didn't speak.

Just getting them in the mindset of it was really fun for me. They were real, they had good spirit, they were professionals. Then I think it was Lee and Gene, because the writers are so involved on the office or were so involved. I think it was, it was they who taught the kids like the chant and the dance and they were amazing. I love Steve's speech so much. I love his delivery of his speech. You know from the beginning that he's going to have to tell them he's going to have to give his speech, you know from the beginning that he's going to have to tell them. He's going to have to give this speech. But everything about it is so great. He tries

to get them to figure it out so he doesn't have to say it, which is amazing. And then he hands out the batteries. Lithium. Yeah. Not laptops or tuition, but some batteries for their laptops. Some lithium batteries. Yeah. Not laptops or tuition, but some batteries for their laptop. Lithium batteries. Yeah. Was that just Steve knowing Michael Scott so well?

Yeah. That was just Steve doing them so well. Maybe someone pitched, maybe the exact phrasing of, and what's better than laptops, but laptop battery, or what do you need for laptops? I don't know. But it's a collaboration because you see where Steve's going, so you might pitch him a line.

But that was, yeah, that was Steve completely. It also was great acting was in the photo where he's surrounded by the kids, phrased on his desk, even that is good photo acting, his optimistic smile. Yes. Oh my gosh. He directed and he said it was so much easier than acting. Really? I thought, wow, that shows how much he's putting into the acting.

Like always, he was the total leader of this episode. He just had to thread that needle and he did it so well. We do want to talk to you about the movie you have coming out that you directed. Can you share with us about it? It's cool. It's called Vengeance. And I wanted to do it. I saw a poster for a movie called Vengeance at the Cannes Film Festival. And I thought, I want to be in a movie called Vengeance.

And I thought, but in a fun way, I was like, if I were in a movie, if you saw me on a movie poster in a movie called Vengeance, you'd know it was different. It wouldn't be like, whoa, he's a cool action star. You'd be like, that's interesting. What's that tone? And honestly, that's where it came from at first. And then I had this plot idea that I just thought really cool. And yeah, so I took it to Blumhouse

because they had just done Get Out, which I thought was another movie that had been really popular despite having such challenging, interesting ideas. Because they didn't just want to make a thinky thing. I wanted it to be fun and funny and, you know, scary and all those things. So, I mean, it was great to get to direct my first feature that had all of those elements, you know.

Wait, so did you write it and direct it and you're in it? Mm-hmm. Wow! Triple threat, BJ! those elements, you know. Wait, so could you write it and direct it and you're in it? Mm-hmm. Wow. Triple threat, BJ. Oh, come on. Three very unthreatening professions, I will say as a caveat. No one's scared of someone who does those three things.

BJ, when does your movie come out? July 29th. Vengeance, out. BJ, thank you so much for coming on Office Ladies. We love you. I love it. on Office Ladies. We love you. I love it. I love it. I love you both.

I don't see you enough. I love talking to you. I love remembering it from this lens with the two of you. It's great. Thank you. You've always been one of my favorite people from the time I met you working on this show. So I love you. Well, that is what a wonderful thing to say,

and I feel exactly the same way. Same. Immediate bonds. I was going to say, I notice Angela's silence here. I would say I feel very similarly about Angela, but if it's not requited, Oh, BJ, I love you so much.

then what are you going to do? I love you so much. But no, I felt that about both of you from the pilot, really. Okay, see you soon. Family for life. Family for life, BJ. Love you so much. Bye.

Well, that was so fun, Angela. I love talking to BJ. I love that we got into that cool discussion about directing. I felt like it's when we had Mike Schur on and we were talking all about the writing process. I know. I could listen to BJ talk all day. Truly. He's so smart. I love him so much. I love his brain. I told him that. I said, BJ, I love your brain. Is that a weird thing to say to someone? No, I love his brain as well. It's so good to be back in the studio. Hi, Cassie.

We missed you. Hi, welcome back. Thank you. Yes, I guess what we haven't shared with everyone was that we actually took a two-week break from the podcast. We made sure to double record episodes so that you didn't miss us, but we were off recording the audiobook for the Office BFFs. Oh my gosh. You guys, I mean,

I listen to audiobooks. I have a newfound respect for how they come together. We sat in a room together and read all day. It was a teeny tiny little like padded room, truly. And we read our book. One day at lunch, I had hummus. Oh, yeah. And after lunch, my stomach kept making all these noises because I had a spousy hummus. It was so embarrassing. We had to stop the audiobook and our amazing director, Dennis, had to go get a pillow and cover my stomach with a pillow. And he said, don't worry, Angela, it happens all the time. Yeah.

And then the next day it happened to me. So the next day we're recording our audiobook. We both have pillows on our stomachs. Oh my gosh, it was so embarrassing, but so much fun. You guys, I can't wait for you to hear the audio book. We put our heart and soul into it and so many office cast mates make these great appearances in the audio book.

I'm really proud of it. I can't wait for you guys to hear it. Yeah, we really wanted to make it something separate from the book. In the book, you're gonna get to see all of our personal photos. So we thought, well, how could we put some special audio surprises in the audiobook

so we can't wait for you to hear it? Yeah, our friends and castmates really came through. Well, it's available for pre-order now wherever you listen to audiobooks. And I think we should start breaking down this episode. Let's do it. Let's do it. This episode begins with a hilarious cold open. It's Andy and Michael in Michael's office. And guess what? Andy's baby talk is back.

I loved it. I love that Michael makes Andy read his baby talk off a card? Oh, Jenna, I got so tickled in this scene. I literally like was giggling when Michael then reads Andy's baby talk back to Andy. I mean, you have to hear it. You have to hear it. You are also on record as saying, widow ittle, footy woodies, num nums, jammies, make boom boom, with dick-a-awas and woad eyewind.

Do I sometimes replace r's with w's? Do I sometimes repeat a word to get my point across? Well if I do, Andy, sorry. You can't be a baby in the office. It makes me look like I hire babies. When he says it makes me look like I higher baby, he says it so seriously. You know, Angela, my cat, Andi, he used to say, ridiculous. When things bothered him, he would say, oh my God, that is ridiculous.

It's so, so ridiculous, mama. You mean when you did your voice of your cat, Jenna? I channeled what he was actually saying, Angela. Jenna has voices for all of her pets. Yep, Sunny has one, Maggie has one. Yep. Oh, what's Maggie's? Maggie's?

I know Sunny's. Maggie's is like this. Hey guys, hey, did you want this shoe? Do you want it? You can have it. Hey, oh, what's that? Oh, look, that you want this shoe? Do you want it? You can have it, hey. Oh, what's that? Oh, look, that orange fella's back again.

Yeah. Maggie's just so optimistic about everything. She's joyous. Maggie's joyous. Although every single morning in our house, it is like Groundhog Day. It is like Maggie is meeting Sunny for the first time. Every morning she reacts like, oh my God, there's a cat in the kitchen. It is like Maggie is meeting Sonny for the first time.

Every morning she reacts like, oh my God, there's a cat in the kitchen. I must follow it, I must get it, what is it? And they do this whole routine and then about 45 minutes later, everybody's fine again. But every morning. Every morning she is seeing the cat for the very first time in her life. Oh my gosh.

It's crazy. It's crazy. Oh my gosh. It's crazy. That's crazy. Well, that's ridiculous. This scene ends with Andy complimenting Michael's Elvis impression. He said other people don't like it, but I like it. And Michael says, this made me laugh so hard. Michael goes, you're welcome, baby. I know.

It's too good. Well, the main plot of this episode is going to get started when Andy bursts into Jim's office. Yeah, Dr. TunaMD. We have terrible news. We have a serious case of the bundes. And there's one cure. We need an employee of the month contest. Background catch in this scene. Tell me. One minute, 54 seconds.

Hang with me here over Andy's shoulder through Jim's clear glass panel. What do you see at front reception? The golf picture still on the wall. That's right. This is seven weeks. This has been going on. Where's Pam's painting? Right after this as an Andy talking head, I had to bring it up, you guys, because he mentions he spent a summer at Enron.

What all is Andy doing in his summers? So add it to the list. We have that he spent a summer at Enron, a summer in Toulouse apprenticing to be a Fomagier, and he spent every summer at a dialect camp from age 7 to 18 and then went on to be a counselor for 10 years. What is happening with Andy Summers? How long are his Summers? Very long. They're very crowded with things. I love this next scene so much, Angela. Aaron is helping Michael attempt to clean out his inbox.

It hit a little too close to home for me personally. Did it? One of my favorite things that Erin says, she says he has a news alert for nip slip. And he says, oh my gosh, that must be hackers. So there was another line in the script before Jim comes in to interrupt. Erin had a line where she said, you also have a news

alert for nipple slip. And I thought that was so funny. I wish it had stayed in. But instead, we needed to get Jim in there. Well, Michael has 836 messages in his inbox. And I just want to point out that my email is in worse shape than Michael's. Oh, no, lady.

You told me last night you cleared a bunch of stuff. I did, but it's just still so large. That's what she said. You need to organize it by unread, and then go through and just click on all the ads and stuff that you never get rid of. I'm trying. See what it says now?

1,589. Yeah. My inbox is worse than Michael's. What is yours, Jenna? Like seven? Eight. Oh, I was so close. Eight unread.

And I think one of those is still one of those, do you get those from Baby Center where they're still telling you about your kids and milestones? Remember when you first signed up for them, you were pregnant and then they were like a lima bean and then they were like a- Yeah, like an orange and then- Yeah. What I get is today in your memories from Shutterfly and then I click on it and it brings me to tears all the time because it's my daughter being adorable.

Well, maybe you want to keep those, but the other ones, you got to click unsubscribe. You got to stop the flow. I got to stop the flow. I'll help you one day. OK. Well, listen, Jim is going to come in, and he's going to pitch this employee of the month idea. And Michael's like, sure, go for it.

But now we're going to find out what's really going on. Because Andy is going to tell Dwight that Jim totally went for their idea of employee of the month. And Dwight's like, no, no, no, that was your idea, your idea. Dwight's up to something. What he's up to is that in six hours, Jim will be fired by David Wallace. I'm interested to see how that goes down. Well, in the break room, Pam is eating yogurt

when Erin enters to ask her to look over an itinerary. That's right. We had a fan catch from Kelsey in Kentucky who said, when Phyllis, Pam, and Erin are in the break room looking at the itinerary, it's very obvious, again, how much purple is in the wardrobe design. Oh, I noticed. And later in the bullpen, you'll notice Angela Martin also has a purple lilac

cardigan. It was a purple day. You and Kelsey are sharing a brain today. We are. Well, this itinerary has one very interesting line item. Pam is surprised to learn that the Michael Scott Foundation is still in existence. And Phyllis says, what's Scott's Tots? And Stanley starts laughing and says, has it really been 10 years? I mean, Stanley isn't just laughing.

It is a laugh that comes like from a deep place of like, oh, this guy is screwed. And I am thrilled to watch it happen. Well Stanley's going to hold up a newspaper. The headline reads, local businessman pledges college tuition to third graders. We kind of talked about this with BJ a little bit. And we got a fan mail flurry about this newspaper article that Stanley's holding up.

Because it looks like the real Scranton Times. It really does. This is fakey fil shay, but it's done amazingly. It is actually a real Scranton Times newspaper. Randy Cordray explained how we made this amazing prop. So first, they hired a group of kids to take a picture with Michael Scott at school, and Kim Ferry even styled Steve's hair in a retro Caesar style hairdo. You know that one that was made popular by George Clooney in the early years of ER?

Oh, yes. Yes. I mean, that's how detailed they were about this photo. They think Michael Scott would be into this hairdo. So then Phil Shea contacted the Scranton Times and asked for a copy of their newspaper from 10 years ago. And when he was looking through it, he said, do you think you would be willing to reproduce the local page?

So not the front page, but the local page with a different feature story at the bottom of the page so that we can use it on our show. Wow. So the writers wrote a fake article and Randy Schemansky, who worked at the Times, put it all together. He put his name as the writer in the byline and printed it for us. Nice, Randy. Thank you. Well, that's why it looks so real. Yeah. Well, there's photos of it online and there's also some on Office Tally and I'll put some of those in our stories. Yes, the entire text of the article is on OfficeTally.com, and I thought I would read

one of my favorite passages. The whole thing is worth a read, but this one really goes with the episode. It says, Taleb Johnson, a student in Alice Kay's class, has dreams of becoming a doctor. Taleb's mother has already been trying to save for the daunting $120,000 cost of medical school, and she was not sure if it could ever be a reality. But now that Scott has offered to pick up the tab, Mrs. Johnson said that Tlaib would undoubtedly be going to an Ivy League university. That's in the article. It's very on theme. I know. Well, Jenna, I have a little section I'm That's in the article. It's very on theme.

I know. Well, Jenna, I have a little section I'm calling According to the Internet. Oh. Yeah. When you type in Scott's Tots, lots of stuff comes up. I'm going to share three with you. The first one is, according to the Internet, you might ask yourself, how much money would Michael have to pay for all of their tuition? Oh. Assuming all 15 of Scott's Tots attended a four-year private university, Michael would

probably have to pay something around $1.9 million. Wow. Yeah. So, when he made this promise 10 years ago, he believed he would have so much money that he'd have like an extra two million. That's right. Number two, if you go to Oklahoma State University in Stillwater, Oklahoma, you can join a student club called Scott's Tots.

What does Scott's Tots do? According to the online newspaper of the school, the O'Callie, staff reporter Jake Sellers wrote, members of the Scott's Tots Club meet weekly to stream and test their knowledge on NBC's The Office. This semester, the club started fresh, mostly meeting in classroom building on Wednesdays. And it goes on to say, although this club may be a time

for some students to watch a show, for some it is a time to connect. Haley McCauley, senior business manager, is the secretary of Scott's Tots. McCauley, senior business manager, is the secretary of Scott's Tots. McCauley joined in the fall of her freshman year, and she says they have trivia nights with prizes for the winners, and quote, she says, it's a really fun club. The article also included a flyer they had made for their club. I'm going to put it in our stories. Oh, I love it. It's got a gym face on it and a dundee. Yeah, and the stapler and the jello. It says it has their campus link. And this

is what it says. We watch the office show and have trivia nights once a month. We have snacks exclamation point. Well, you and I are going. I know. And then it says where you can join to be a member. And according to the internet number three, I found a ton, like too many to list, youth soccer teams named Scotts Tots all across the United States. Wow. Mm-hmm. You can go cheer on Scotts Tots at almost any soccer field on a Saturday in America. So that's some stuff I found on the internet, but we should go back to the break room because Pam has a very different reaction than Stanley

to this information. I mean, Pam uses the word terrible like five times. She feels like she's not getting through to Michael. She's like, why would you promise something like that? This is a terrible thing, Michael. This is terrible. It's just terrible. And she's like, you have to go tell them now.

Did you see the article, Angela, where it sort of broke down, there are two reactions to this episode from viewers. You're either a Stanley or a Pam. Like it was saying, you're either a person who laughs through tragedy. You know, you're that person at the funeral who gets the giggles. Right. Right. Or you have no sense of humor about it. They were sort of saying like, if you're a Pam, you probably can't watch this episode. Right. It's a really interesting article, actually. It's on decider.com. And I don't know which one I am. I mean, I have a visceral reaction at like, I feel so bad for these kids.

And I also see Stanley finally getting to see Michael get his comeuppance. Yes. I don't know which one I am either. I enjoyed this episode. So I guess I must be a little Stanley. Maybe we're a combo. I don't know who that would be.

Are you an Erin then? Erin seems horrified and yet also, she still finds a positive spin at the end. Yeah, maybe we're Aaron. The article said about people who are Stanleys, and I thought this was worded really well, they're not heartless. They're almost shocked to the point of hilarity. Right. When something is so insanely absurd to you that someone could do that, that you're like, what? That's their coping mechanism. Yeah. Right. When something is so insanely absurd to you that someone could do that, that you're like, what?

That's their coping mechanism. Yeah. Right. Whereas Pam, it's just all just torturous. Yeah. Well, I was really disappointed because I didn't get to go with Michael. As an actor, I wanted to see Pam take Michael

to this moment in his life, but Pam refuses to go. Right. Aaron's going to have to do it, but I was very jealous as an actor. That you didn't get to go spend the day with Steve and watch him do these amazing scenes. Yes. Well, Michael now has this famous talking head. We talked about it a little bit with BJ where he says, I just, you know, I fell in love with those kids. And so he made him a promise. He wanted to help them. He wanted to see them graduate from high school and

he would pay for their college. Yes. This is sort of the explanation behind this predicament, behind the premise for this episode. We got a fan question from Erin in Oxford, Ohio who said this, I recently watched The Big Lebowski and there is a specific scene that caught my eye. In the scene, the dude is visiting Mr. Lebowski's house. During the visit, he's given a tour of the study and notices a picture on the wall of Mr. Lebowski surrounded by a bunch of smiling high school age children. The dude asks, Oh, are those Mr. Lebowski's children?

To which the butler replies, They're not literally his children. They're the Little Lebowski Urban Achievers, inner-city children of promise but without the necessary means for a higher education, so Mr. Lebowski has committed to sending all of them to college. My question is, did the writers have it in their head that Michael saw this movie and that this might have led him to making a similar promise, or is it just a coincidence? I had to find out. So I reached out to Gene and Lee, who wrote this episode, and they said that the idea for this episode

actually came from Paul Lieberstein. Paul confirmed this, and when I asked him if the idea was inspired by the Big Lebowski, he said no, that he wasn't even aware of that scene in the movie. Paul said that there was a real story of a businessman who did this with extraordinary success back in the 1990s. He thinks maybe it was Chicago. He couldn't quite remember.

But it was a high school where the graduation rate was incredibly low. But within the group of kids that he made this promise to, all of them went to college. And Paul just remembered the photo in the newspaper, and he said that seems like something Michael Scott would do. That Michael, because of his good heart and being so sure that he would be a millionaire by the time these kids graduated, that he would want to help and he would make this promise. He said, quote, it felt like a really honest problem coming from this character. So that was the inspiration was this article that he had seen of someone doing this successfully and thinking Michael Scott wouldn't do it successfully though.

He'd want to do it, but he wouldn't be able to follow through. Yeah, so he said the idea was his, but Lee and Jean made it their own. They came up with the dance, the batteries. He said that was all them. But that was the inspiration behind Scott's Tots. Well, I love that. I always love finding out the inspiration for our episodes. Mm-hmm. It's usually some little thing that just stuck with someone. Yeah.

Meanwhile, in the kitchen, Dwight is continuing to act strange. Yeah, he's showering Jim with compliments, and then he provides him with a spreadsheet so that Jim can rank everyone based on performance for his employee of the month project. He says he'll run it over to Toby in the accounting department.

So it'll just be like totally impartial. They'll run the data. Exactly. Just data based. Did you notice during the scene what Rain took out of the fridge at the beginning? Like his excuse for going into the kitchen is to get something out of the fridge to run into Jim.

No, what was it? Mustard. What's he doing with mustard? I don't know. Did he do anything with it? He does nothing with the mustard, but when they pull back wide, there are more things on the counter that he has gotten out of the fridge. He also got out jelly and I think barbecue sauce.

Gross. So he's definitely, I guess, heavy in the condiments. Is jelly a condiment? Is jelly a condiment? I mean, you put it on, is butter a condiment? I'm going to say no. What is a condiment? Isn't a condiment like, well, I guess isn't it like the extras? So maybe you're right. I mean, what is a condiment? Like salt and pepper? No, that's a spice. Oh, I'm sorry.

The definition of condiment is a substance such as salt or ketchup that is used to add flavor to food. Thank you. Spices are condiments? Look who was right about something. I found a chart that lists the calories in different condiments. Did you know honey is considered a condiment?

Well, that makes sense now. They're listing marinara as a condiment. It enhances flavor. Everything enhances flavor. An onion enhances flavor. Everything enhances flavor. An onion enhances flavor. Garlic. Does it have to be... Do you have to squeeze it out of a bottle?

Does it have to be, yeah. Does it have to be in something? What is a condiment? I need more information. We need more information on condiments. Hold on. Is jelly a condiment? Jelly and jam are usually viewed as condiments,

but peanut butter is not. Salsa is considered a condiment, but guacamole is not. Here's what I'm thinking. Condiments either have to be something you sprinkle or kind of more of a liquidy form. Not according to Wikipedia, which says a condiment is a supplemental food such as a sauce or powder. Ha!

Sprinkle and liquid. That supports my theory. If it's more of a solid substance, it's not a condiment. If you can sprinkle it or pour it, it's a condiment. If you can chop it, it's not a condiment. Sprinkle and pour. All right. Are we ready to move on from the condiments? Maybe. Oh, no. Oh my God, you're making a lot of, hmm. It sounds like, you know what, Joanne?

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. When you do that, hmm, it means you disagree. Like, hmm. Icing. Icing is a condiment? So when I'm eating a cupcake, I'm eating cake with a condiment on top? Makes sense to me. Really? Jenna's doing it. Hmm.

I knew it. If you're ever in a conversation with Jenna, she goes, hmm. It means she is slightly judging you and disagrees. Well Wikipedia says peanut butter is a condiment, so clearly. I don't know. Clearly there's a debate. So Dwight has put a bunch of random condiments on the counter.

He has. And I have nowhere to go from there. That's the end. Move on. He clearly isn't intending on doing anything with them. He's just doing busy work so he can set up Jim to fail. Next up, Michael and Erin are going to arrive at the high school.

And I have a little location breakdown for you. Fan question from Cyrus in Bloomfield, Michigan. Were the school scenes filmed at a local LA school? Yes, they were. We shot the interiors and exteriors at Van Nuys Middle School, which is a steam magnet school on Vesper Avenue in Van Nuys, California. We were there for two days, Monday and Tuesday, October 3rd and 4th. By the way, this is also where they shot the school location for the TV show Fresh Off the Boat. Well, I had a recurring guest star on Fresh Off the Boat. Do you know if you ever went to the school?

I think we did one day because I was at a PTA meeting. I was like the mean lady shocker. Well, there's a lot of great little details at this school. Phil Shea outdid himself. I loved the plaque that said Michael Garry Scott reading room. And Aaron's like, you're famous. Yes. Michael has cold feet about seeing everyone, but Michaela greets them and insists they

just want to give them a big thank you. I know. Michaela was played by Ishiba Renee. She posted on Instagram that she still has her shirt from this episode. Oh, she got to keep her Scott's Tots shirt. That's so cool. She was so good. And she is going to lead Michael into this classroom full of kids, all wearing Scott's Tots shirts.

I mean, huge applause. They're so excited he's there. We find out that they have prepared something for him, which is a song and dance routine. We had a fan question from Harmjian V in the Netherlands. The dance routine of the Tots is awesome. Where did you find these actors' dancers? And Lisa from New Jersey asked who choreographed the dance routine. Well, Randy Cordray shared with us that the choreographer was

Tony Gonzalez, and he had done choreography for Bring It On Again and Bring It On All or Nothing. You know, he's currently doing the choreography for the Masked Singer. And he cast the eight specialty dancers. The dancers were Danielle E. Hawkins, Glenda Morales, David Eisel, Katrina Norman, Chris Moss, Oscar Orozco, Jonathan Rice, and Quentin Burdette. We only had two days of rehearsals with the dancers. They set up a rehearsal space over on our warehouse stage. They were so good. They were so good.

There's no way in a million years that I could learn anything like that in two days. No. It's just a gift. You just have it. You know, I danced growing up. There was a time when I could do that. That time is not now anymore. I tried during the pandemic to take up my tap dancing again.

I got a little tap dance floor. I remember this. And I was tapping. And I thought, I'm going to learn a tap routine to footloose. Oh. And like, you got to cut loose. Yeah.

OK. And I found like an instructional video on YouTube. And I was like, this is going to be great. It's going to be so fun. I mean, it was like 45 seconds long. Weeks. Weeks I spent on this very beginner tap routine. I never posted it.

I have like a gazillion videos of myself in my garage on my tap floor. Can I please see one? Can I please put it in Pod Stories? Not to laugh at you! Not to laugh at you! To laugh with me because I was not even laughing yet! So, someone's laughing. Maybe.

Maybe. Okay. Well, I thought the dancers did a fantastic job. They did. We also had a fan question from Laura in Warren, Ohio who said, who wrote the song, Hey Mr. Scott? Well, Lee and Gene wrote the lyrics for the song, and Eve Nelson wrote the music. Eve is an Emmy-winning composer who did a lot of specialty work for us, such

as composing the music for Subtle Sexuality, the webisode. The one we listened to last week. Yes, that Mindy sings. She also did all the music for Threat Level Midnight. I thought we should hear an audio clip of Hey Mr. Scott. Ooh. Hey Mr. Scott, what you gonna do? What you gonna do? Make our dreams come true.

Hey Mr. Scott, what you gonna do? What you gonna do? Make our dreams come true. You came into a life that made a promise, that made us honest, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us

real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us real, made us Hey, Mr. Scott, what you gonna do? What you gonna do? Make our dreams come true. You came into a life and made a promise that made us honest, made us realize we don't need a compromise because we can have it all. Because you made it possible for us to achieve the improbable. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Hey, Mr. Scott, what you gonna do? What you gonna do? Make our dreams come true. So good, Eve Nelson. Eve, coming through again.

And I can't wait now to see Threat Level Midnight. I know and see all that music. It's funny that you bring up the webisodes because just last week we were talking about it, but I also mentioned the bobbleheads last week that Joya Balfour, who worked for NBC.com, was going to bring all these bobbleheads to the set, right? Yeah. For me to feature in Adventures with Angela. And I'm excited to be here.

I'm excited to be here. I'm excited to be here. I'm excited to be here. I'm excited to be here. I'm excited to be here. I'm excited to be here. I'm excited to be here. I'm excited to be here.

I'm excited to be here. I'm excited to be here. I'm excited to be here. I'm excited to be here. I'm excited to be here. I'm excited to be here. bobbleheads last week that Joya Balfour, who worked for NBC.com, was going to bring all these bobbleheads to the set, right? Yeah. For me to feature in Adventures with Angela. Lady, on set that day, she said, Angela, would you like all of these bobbleheads? Like you're going to have one of all the cast members since you're doing this for us. And I said, oh my God, I would.

And she goes, okay, let me see. But I think I can get you a whole set of full cast member bobbleheads. And I was like, oh, that'll be so fun. Maybe I'll like line them like on a shelf in my house. That is so cool. Do you have them? Okay. So here's the thing. Years ago, she was like, Angela, I got the bobbleheads for you. When do you want them? And I was moving and I was like, oh, I'm moving right now. Can we figure out? And Jenna, I don't know. Life happened. Years went by. Joy reached out to me and said, Angela, I've had these bobbleheads for 15 years. What?

Like just recently she reached out. Yeah. She's like, they're in boxes. Can I bring them to you? I said, oh my gosh, Joya. Yes. So we met for coffee and we caught up 15 years of life and marriage and kids. And Jenna, she opened up her trunk and it was full of bobbleheads.

I took a picture of her standing by her trunk. I now have all of these bobbleheads. That is so crazy because you know when we were going through all of our bins of stuff for the book, I found an Oscar bobblehead and a Jim bobblehead and a Pam bobblehead and a Dwight bobblehead. That's all I have. I will tell you the bobble head I didn't know I need, but I definitely needed was Phyllis. Oh, is Phyllis is good? Phyllis is so great.

Joy went on to tell me while we were having coffee, she said, you know, it's kind of crazy. I've had all these bobble heads, but I also have something that I think a lot of people wanted, but I ended up getting. And I was like, do tell. Guess who has the original Unicorn Barbie? What?

Yes. And here's Joya sharing about it. The story of how I acquired the Princess Unicorn Barbie doll is really fun. I of course was a digital producer for the show working at NBC. And I had read the script for Moroccan Christmas, the episode that it appeared in, and I wanted to use it for our Dunder Mifflin Infinity virtual game. And I also wanted to build a website for Princess Unicorn,

because it seemed like this crazy, funny thing that a little website would just be hilarious for. If you're a big fan of the show, you know that we did a ton of these little one off websites all the time. So princess unicorn doll.com was one of them. And what's really interesting is that NBC let the domain expire some years ago and someone bought it up and kept the exact same website there. So you can actually go see the website and thank you to whoever bought

that and kept the same website up. I appreciate you. So I wanted to use it for the game. It was a virtual item that you could purchase for your Dunder Mifflin office if you were playing the game and it was a very rare item. So the props department actually gave the doll to me. They had two versions of the doll that they made and they gave me one to photograph back at my office at NBC. So I did that, and for whatever reason, no one at the show asked me for the doll back. And the show ended, and everyone went on their separate ways. And I eventually left NBC, and this doll came with me,

and it's been in my house as this kind of prized memento from the show. You know, for almost 10 years, I've had this doll. It's the one memento from the show. I don't think I will ever give up because it's it's pretty amazing. So that is my Princess Unicorn doll story. I cannot believe she has one of the original. There were only two and she has one of them. Well, now I know how to get original props.

You have to be like, you know what? I'd love to build a website, but I'm going to need that to photograph it. And then I'm going to just wait for you to ask for it back. And if you don't, you don't. That is amazing. Amazing. It was so good to see, Joya. And Joya, thank you so much for the bobbleheads.

I'll have to display them and show you guys. Well, on that note, let's take a break. And when we come back, we'll check in on Dwight. We'll see what he's up to. And then, oh boy. Well, Michael has a big announcement to make. He does. Dwight is now going around collecting money.

He starts with Kevin, 20 bucks to chip in for employee of the month per Jim's request. Oscar contributes as well. He doesn't need Dwight's speech. During this whole moment, guess who's playing solitaire? I saw it. I saw it once again. Actively moving cards on her free sell game. Kate Flannery in the background is Meredith playing a very quick game of solitaire. Listen, Dwight's plan is five minutes ahead of schedule. Right on schedule. Mm-hmm.

It's working. Back at the school, a teacher is up at the front of the room and she is profusely thanking Michael for following through on his promise to send these kids to school. Yeah. And then a student gets up and says, basically, you're my guardian angel. Michael is crying. Oh, boy.

It's just Michael. The way they wrote the scene to build is so great Because with each thing, you're getting just a kick to the stomach. And then it ends with Michael. The woman who's giving this thank you speech was played by Monet McKell. I hope I'm saying your name right. She's amazing.

She began her career as a musical theater actress. She has been nominated for an NAACP Theater Award. And she performed in an award-winning one-woman show. She's also had recurring roles on The Good Place and The Defenders, as well as a ton of other film and television roles. Well, she set the bar for this scene because it's so heartfelt, her appreciation, as you would be because you're sending these kids to college. Like, the level of accountability that the scene starts with is like, oh, crap.

Michael, oh, Michael. Well, it's Michael's turn to speak. This is the moment. Yeah. The crowd is cheering. Michael says he'll never forget today. Oh, and then he asks the kids for a show of hands. He wants to know, how many of you the kids for a show of hands. He wants to know how many of you

have ever made a stupid mistake. He's trying to get them on his side before giving them this terrible news. I kind of thought we needed to hear it. Oh no, really? I don't know. Oh God, oh God. All right, in this moment I'm a Pam. Okay, let's hear it.

I came here today because I promised you tuition. And tuition is very valuable. But you know what's invaluable? Is intuition. You know what that is? That is the ability to know when something is about to happen. Does anybody out there have intuition? Know what's going gonna happen next?

Nobody? Okay. You're gonna make me say it. All right. I am so proud of all of you. Derek and LaFerve and Ben and Ayanna and Michaela and Nicky and Jason and I'm sorry, okay. Sorry for spacing your name. I'm Zion, I'm Michaela's younger brother.

Well, Zion, I am not going to be paying for your tuition. Which brings me to my main point, and that is that I will not be able to pay for anybody's tuition. I'm so, so sorry. Listen, I- I'm sorry for all the people out there who skip Scott's Tots. I just played the worst part for you. You know, the cringiest part.

I watched this episode three times. That's usually how many times I watch an episode as we prep each week for the podcast. And I might need a break from it now. He goes on to try to be a hero. We talked about this with BJ. He has Aaron wheel in this humongous suitcase, which you think are going to be filled with laptops, which is some saving grace, a laptop, not college tuition, but a laptop, but no, it's just the lithium batteries for a laptop.

Guys, those are fakey batteries. At 14 minutes, 46 seconds, the graphics for the laptop battery boxes were created by our graphic designer, Henry Sane, and packaged up by Phil Shea. Fakey batteries. Fakey battery. Well, back at the office, Jim's about to have his own cringe moment. I love how they edited these scenes because you go from Michael being in hot water to Jim being in hot water.

Yes. Jim is going to announce the employee of the month according to this data. It's employee number nine. Who is employee number nine? It's Jim. Oh boy. People are instantly furious. They don't even take a beat to be like, oh, maybe there was an error.

No, they're instantly like, you! Yes, Jim won $1,000! Yeah, and got his own parking spot. Oh my gosh. He's like, no, no, no, this is obviously a mistake. Who's second on the list? We need the second person on the list. Uh oh.

It's Jim's wife, Pam. Oh boy. How is that even possible? But Pam is going to defend herself as the winner. Yeah, she's like, no wait, come on. I didn't miss a day. I came in early. I stayed late and I doubled my sales last month.

Andy goes, oh really? From what? Two to four? Yup. That is one of your most famous memes. I have texted it to people. I texted my own meme to people, the yup. I have texted an Angela I roll to people, my own meme.

I see that yup everywhere, Jenna. I know. And it's so perfect. It made me laugh. Even though I know it, it still made me laugh. It made me laugh while I was doing it. You'd be surprised how difficult it was to get just one word without me breaking.

Yup. Well, it's going to get even worse. You think it can't get worse for Jim, but now there's going to be a cake delivered with his face on it. This was a real cake, you guys. We actually ate this cake. We did. I had a slice of it.

It was delicious. It was a real distorted angle of John's face. It was a little bit. It was like when someone takes a photo of you and they go like chin up. I actually had my camera on set that day and I took a picture of the cake. I'll put it in stories. The Cake Delivery Man was played by Charlie Sanders, who is a writer, actor, and co-producer of Key and Peel, for which he was nominated for an Emmy for Outstanding Writing three years in a row.

I love Key and Peel. Me too. Oh my God, it cracks me up. We hung out with Key and Peel. We did. We were on a private plane with them. The only time I've ever been on a private plane. Well, same. Yes,

Caesar Palace flew Jenna and Keegan and Jordan to play in this poker tournament. You took me as a plus one. They flew us to New Orleans. We got on this private plane with these guys and we played euchre the whole plane ride. I love euchre. We couldn't believe other people knew euchre. It's a card game. We love them. They're so fun. The cake is not the last thing on Dwight's list of diabolical plans. No, he riles everybody up. But it only works if people complain to David Wallace.

So Dwight starts calling David Wallace's office, pretending to be everyone else. It's so good. I actually, I thought we needed to hear it. He is going to leave messages as Kevin, as Stanley, and as Toby. I think my favorite part is like his body language. Changes. As he's doing all the voice, he's like spinning his hair with his fingertip when he's being Toby. Yeah. He's like all slumped on the ground. Yeah. But here it is. you have to hear it. Hudson. Jim Halpert is a man-ass. It's Toby Flenderson. Listen, things are getting really bad down here. Those are so funny to me. But Jenna, there was one more.

There was? Yes. It didn't make it in the final cut, but it's in deleted scenes. It's a little R-rated, so maybe that's why it didn't make it. Here is Dwight calling pretending to be Meredith. It's Meredith Palmer. Listen, kid, I'm going to be drunk as a skunk, and you don't know anything to tell me about crotch injuries. But Jim Halpert is a f***ing prick. Oh my gosh! I know! So imagine David Wallace getting all of these messages.

Yeah, Jim is definitely going to be hearing from David Wallace later. But back at the school, Michael and Erin are leaving. They are disgraced. But as they're leaving, one of the students runs out and just kind of confronts Michael. He's like, dude, this is like really messed up. And Michael just apologizes again and he says, you know what, I'll pay for your books. It's the least I can do. Yeah.

And he's like, okay, well, books are like $1,000. I mean, that's a lot. And Michael's like, that's like, oh, $200 a year. And the kid's like, it's a thousand dollars a year. So Michael writes a few checks for a thousand dollars. He says, please notify me before you cash these. I have to move some money around. Yes. And he has to hold them for like a couple of years, each one per year. Well, listen, the actor who played the student is so good. His name is Kwame Bwateng. He is part of a trio, an acting trio. His brothers, they're referred to as the K brothers. He's amazing. He did a bunch of films and television, but now he

is actually the CEO of his own company called the Bwateng Group. Wow. Yeah. So he's kind of moving and shaking in the Boitain Group. Wow. Yeah. So he's kind of moving and shaking in the business world now. And we also had a fan catch in this scene from Matthew in Franklin, Indiana. At 16 minutes, 48 seconds, you can see snow outside the school. Oh, yeah, fakie snow. Well, that fakie snow was provided by our special effects

technician, Mike Thompson. According to Randy Cordray, it was actually a warm and sunny day in Van Nuys, about 75 degrees, but we threw down some fakie snow. Back in Jim's office, he does get a very frustrated call from David Wallace. I think we need to point out at 18 minutes, 7 seconds, the Phoebe Snow is back. It is? The train painting is in Jim's office. The Phoebe Snow is back.

That is so weird that it was missing for one episode. I don't know. Or maybe it's just the way they angled the camera. Maybe you just couldn't see it and I thought it was missing. Well it's back. And did it make your heart happy? It really did. You know, lady, if you love trains, you should play this board game called Ticket to Ride.

I love Ticket to Ride. I know Ticket to Ride. Oh, we just discovered Ticket to Ride. Our friends sent it to us and now my kids are obsessed. Yeah. You've known about Ticket to Ride all this time? I was going to gift it to you. I'm glad you told me you have it.

Oh, yeah. Okay. We love games at my house. You know, we're big family game night folks. This was combining two of your loves, trains and a game. We also really love the Oregon Trail, old school board game version, not the computer version we grew up on. Now according to your deep dive last week, would a covered wagon be considered a limousine?

Separation of driver and... Because the driver is separated from the... Cargo? I think a completely covered wagon would be, yes. What part of the covered wagon is uncovered? Sometimes they have a front flap that they keep open. But I mean, same in a limousine, the little zhuzhi thing goes down and up. No, I agree.

I am agreeing. This is me agreeing with you. I think a completely covered wagon with a driver outside would constitute as a limousine. Wow. Limousine. Tell like the early pioneers that they were actually taking limousines to the gold rush. They might be surprised. Back to this phone call between Jim and David, Dwight kind of overhears that it's not going

well, right? He's all excited. He's so excited. Jim's like, I don't know how it happened. Dwight's like, I know how it happened. Dwight goes back in there doing his little mom detective, drops a folder, grabs his spy pin that's been in there the whole time. As it turns out, this phone call that starts out angry

ends amicably. David apologizes. He's like, look, I'm taking out some stuff on you, okay? Hey, am I gonna see you at dinner? And Dwight's like, no! I know, he forgot. Jim and David Wallace are chums. They're pals.

The final scene with Michael and Erin, they're driving back. Erin can't stop singing the song. Yeah. But then she says, you know, Michael, the principal told me that 90% of Scott's tots are on track to graduate, which is 35% higher than the rest of the school. So you know, you did do a good thing here.

This warms Michael's heart. He hasn't always been that nice to Erin. He's kind of abrupt with her. She's not Pam, which he lets her know routinely. And he says to her, you know what, you're doing great. And he wants to know, what does she hope for? Yeah, what would she like for her future? She says she would like to be an accountant, even though she's terrible at math. I will tell you this is a great nod to the webisode series, The Mentor, where Erin tells the accounting

department she wants to be an accountant. We talked about it last week and I totally clocked it when she said that. We also learned something about Kevin's story in this moment, which is he was applying for a job in the warehouse and Michael said, you know what, I have a feeling about you. I think you should be an accountant.

Ah. Well, this episode ends with a tag. All of a sudden, Ryan appears in this episode and he finds Dwight's diabolical plan. Yeah, Dwight left it in the copier. He wants in. He wants to take Jim down. Ooh. That's how this episode ends. Well, I had a couple little tidbits that I thought I would share. I didn't know where to put these, so I'm putting them here at the end. The first was a piece of mail we got from Julia S. in Madison, Wisconsin. This is cringy.

She said, I work at a nonprofit company and we had a program that ended up being a Scots Tots reincarnate. Oh no. She said the goal of the program was to encourage parents of elementary school kids to begin putting away a small amount of money every month that would go toward their kids' college tuitions. She said my company promised that if they did that, the company would give a huge scholarship to each child when they began college.

But after a couple of years, the company decided it was too big of a promise to pay scholarships to all the kids and the program had to send out an email to let everyone know that the scholarships weren't going to happen. Oh my gosh. She said, me and my colleagues now cringe every time someone mentions this failed program and when we talk about it, we call it Scott's Tots. But I can't leave us on that note. So I wanted to leave you with this real life story called Dale's Kids. I want to hear about Dale's Kids. Dale

Schroeder was described in his local paper as a simple man who grew up poor, never went to college, never got married, and worked at the same business as a carpenter for 67 years. They said he had a pair of work jeans, a pair of church jeans, and a Chevy truck. When he passed away in 2005, he did not have any descendants, but after nearly 70 years of carpentry and frugal living, he had saved nearly $3 million.

Most of that money went into a scholarship fund, which helped 33 people go to college free of charge. The kids who benefited from this scholarship all gathered recently to talk about the impact that the scholarship had on their lives. They are now doctors, teachers, a therapist. They said that the money came with only one caveat. Their request was, please pay this forward. You can't pay Dale back, but you can remember him and emulate

him. And that is the legacy of Dale Schroeder, and they affectionately call themselves Dale's kids. Oh, that is so lovely. Oh, Jenna, that is wonderful. Well, I had a quote to end this episode on and now I feel bad saying it because that's such a nice sentiment to end on. Well, I still want to hear your quote, lady. All right. This is from Cheatsheet.com. All right. We're taking a pivot here, folks. This is about this episode. And I quote,

If you're the kind of person who would like watching a taxidermist, or perhaps would enjoy watching someone removing a splinter from the hand of a small child, then this episode is for you. Well, that's perfect. That is Scott's Tots. Of course, we owe a huge thank you to BJ Novak for being on the show today. And thank you to Jean Stupnitsky, Lee Eisenberg, Paul Lieberstein, and Randy Cordray,

and also to James Carey, who helped me go through some digital clutter. Yes, and Joya Balfour for meeting me for coffee and bringing a trunk full of bobbleheads to me and always sharing with us about what NBC.com was doing. And thank you all for sending in your questions. We love you. We'll see you next week. Love you guys.

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