Office Ladies - Andy's Play with Ed Helms

Episode Date: September 7, 2022

This week we’re breaking down “Andy’s Play” and the ladies are joined by Ed Helms! Michael becomes jealous when he discovers his “Law and Order” audition didn’t get him a part in the loc...al production of “Sweeney Todd” but Andy did. Ed Helms shares what it was like to prep for this episode, Angela reveals why Angela Martin looks so cute and Jenna makes orange juice and Baileys for everyone to try inspired by Jim and Pam. Plus there’s a special treat at the end of this episode that will make your heart go on. Enjoy! 

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I'm Jenna Fischer. And I'm Angela Kinsey. We were on The Office together. And we're best friends. And now we're doing the Ultimate Office rewatch podcast just for you. Each week we will break down an episode of The Office and give exclusive behind the scenes stories that only two people who were there can tell you. We're The Office ladies. Hello. Hi there. Okay. Hi. It's Ed. Hi. Surprise, you guys. We have Ed Helms here today. And we will be talking about Andy's play. I didn't know if I was supposed to talk right away or if you were going to introduce me or that but then you both looked at me. We just stared at you until you spoke. Okay. So yeah, I'm talking. Now I'm talking. I'm here. Well, this is
Starting point is 00:00:48 season seven episode three. It was written by Charlie Grandi directed by John Scott. Would you like a summary? I mean, I would love more. Ed, what do you think about summary? I love summaries. I love a summary. Here it is. Andy invites his co-workers to watch him in a community theater production of Sweeney Todd, which Michael is upset to learn he was not cast in. The entire office attends except for Aaron, who steps in at the last minute to babysit for CeCe. And Angela is going to get another punch on her punch card from Dwight but not for the reason you might think. There it is. What do we think? Mm-hmm. Did I cover it? It's actually, yeah. I rewatched the episode in preparation for this and that summary is
Starting point is 00:01:36 spot on. Oh, thank you. Yeah. I wrote it myself. I also thought maybe we want a quick summary of Sweeney Todd, the production that Andy is starring in to give some context. What do you guys think? I want to hear it. I went down the Wikipedia rabbit hole about Sweeney Todd and wow. Oh, well, I hope I cover it. If I don't, will you let me know? Maybe. Oh, no, I didn't commit any of it to memory. There's just a lot of versions. I don't know anything about it. So I won't know if, I mean, I know what is in the episode basically, but I don't know the musical and I know the premise, but I don't know the story. So anything you say is going to be fine with me. All right. Well, here we go. Sweeney Todd, the demon barber
Starting point is 00:02:23 of Fleet Street is a real musical that first opened on Broadway in 1979. The music and lyrics are by Stephen Sondheim and the book is by Hugh Wheeler. The character of Sweeney Todd, a murderous barber who goes around killing people. It originated in Victorian serialized fiction known as the Penny Dreadfuls. Yes. I saw that on Wikipedia. I have one little beef with your summary, actually. Are you done? You're not done. I have a little more to say. Okay, go for it. Okay. Sorry. No. Already one beef I've earned. All right. The musical was based on a play by Christopher Bond, where he introduced a psychological backstory for Todd's crimes. And Stephen Sondheim had seen this play and
Starting point is 00:03:08 that inspired him to write the musical. Over 80% of Sweeney Todd is set to music either through singing or an underscore to dialogue. And the musical won both the Tony and the Olivier Award for Best New Musical when it came out. When was that that it came out? 1979. What's your beef, Ed? Okay. So you said that he goes around killing people. He actually is a barber and he murders people in his barbershop. So really, people come around to be murdered. Exactly. Yes. That would have been more accurate. He doesn't go around murdering. People come around to get murdered. They're accurate. They come around for a haircut.
Starting point is 00:03:48 They come around for a haircut. Then he kills them with the straight razor. Right. And then he opens the chair. He has a lever and they go flying down into the basement. And then he has a friend who turns their bodies into meat for really bad men's pies. Aren't they really yummy? Oh, yeah. Sorry. She has a song at the beginning that she has really bad pies. Oh. When the pies are people, then they're good. Yeah. Then people can't get enough of the pies. Oh my God. I did not realize this part of the story. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:16 There's a whole cannibalism. I mean, it's like accidental cannibalism. They sell them as mince pies, but they're people. It's like soiling green. Yeah. It's people. Yeah. It's people. It's people. It's people. Come on, people. Yeah. People pies. People pies. Wow. The musical could have been called people pies.
Starting point is 00:04:32 It should have been. It should have been, really. We got to write Stephen Sondheim a letter. Yeah. Getting out of my old tummy type of it. Well, Ed, we can't wait to talk to you about this episode and your experience. We thought we'd start by asking you, do you have any musical theater background? Yeah. Have you ever been in musicals? Like in high school?
Starting point is 00:04:54 Well, yeah. So I was in some musical theater productions in high school, and then I was in, let's see, I was in Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat. Okay. Oh, Jenna and I both have one. We're wondering if you're in. Keep going. And gosh, I'm drawing up a line. Oh, I was in Into the Woods, another Sondheim. Oh, yes, Into the Woods. Another Sondheim masterpiece. And that was all high school. And then when I was in college, I did, I was in a musical called The Cradle Will Rock, which is a really cool, like a,
Starting point is 00:05:29 during the Great Depression, it was written as like a sort of pro worker. Anyway, it's a cool piece. And that's when I did in college. And then I think that's it. Wow. No Guys and Dolls, Jenna. We really, we were really feeling like that'd be a good role for you. Yeah. Nathan Detroit. Yeah, sure.
Starting point is 00:05:48 Guys and Dolls. Sit down, sit down, sit down, sit down. Yeah. Sit down here. I remember. Okay. I don't, I'm not that, I don't know Guys and Dolls and I wasn't in it, but I wish I was. Cause then we'd have a lot more to talk about. Did you do musical theater, Angela?
Starting point is 00:06:04 Oh, I mean, I was in the Music Man at my school in Indonesia. Awesome. I played Amarilis and we thought it was really funny. We would give everyone a nickname based off their character name. So everyone called me, I'm a real ass. Oh. Yeah. So you, your life has just been a series of nicknames. People love nicknaming you. Numbone. I'm a real ass. That was my big musical theater debut, but I actually get really anxious
Starting point is 00:06:34 singing in front of people. I can be on stage doing, you know, zany comedy skits and things like that, but to sing in front of people makes me so anxious. So I opted then to go into the more serious theater productions. Of course. I see. What about you? Yeah. I did in high school. I'm not a strong singer, so I was in the dance chorus.
Starting point is 00:06:57 I've heard you sing. I think you have a great voice. Thank you for saying that. I'm really self-conscious about it. Oh, well, I think, anyway, I think you have a great voice. So you danced, you were in the chorus. I did the dancing chorus and then my senior year, I got the lead dance role in Fiddler on the Roof. I was the Fiddler. Wow. Hey.
Starting point is 00:07:17 Cool. To which I say without me, it was just called the Roof. Wow. Yeah, of course. That was an important role. I had no lines and didn't sing, but I danced my heart out and I pretended to fiddle. Yeah. That's awesome. I just remembered another one that I was in. What?
Starting point is 00:07:30 Godspell. Oh, I was in Godspell in college. Hey. I should say. I'm five. Yeah. And then, oh, and in college, I was in... It's all dancing. Bob Fosse. Oh.
Starting point is 00:07:41 Oh. Coral slime? No. The one... Nice job us just pulling out some Fosse. I know. Liza Manelli. Cabaret.
Starting point is 00:07:50 No. That's it. Thank you, Devon. Thank you, Devon. I was going to say Arthur. No. Yes. And also in college, I was in Cabaret and I got to choreograph that.
Starting point is 00:07:59 So very like dance forward musicals were my thing. I'm very impressed. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. So we are here to talk about Andy performing Sweeney Todd. Randy Cordray. We talk to Randy Cordray all the time. He's amazing. He told us the writers originally pitched the storyline over the summer between seasons six and seven. How did you first hear
Starting point is 00:08:21 about it? Did they come to you and say, hey, Ed, we want to do a full musical. You're going to sing a bunch. Like, did you have any input? I don't recall knowing anything about it before the table read. I'm shocked and also not shocked. Yeah. I mean, we were so buried in whatever episode we were working on. It's not like there was a lot of extra time. But now that you mention it, I'm sure that I must have started rehearsing before, like at least the week before. Yeah, because that's hard music. Sondheim is like crazy hard music.
Starting point is 00:08:54 Yeah. Yeah. Randy told us that on his schedule, he went back and looked in his files. The only day that you guys had to rehearse all together as a cast was like the Monday morning for half a day at the theater. And then we all came and started shooting the episode. Yeah. Does that sound right? That does sound right. But if you're paying attention to the episode, there's not that
Starting point is 00:09:20 much of the play that you see. You know, like it's not a ton of production time. So I think we really only rehearsed a couple of things. The much more complicated thing was the cold open. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And that because that was a whole song that we all learned. And then there was choreography. It looks in the execution. It looks spontaneous. Like we're just running around in the space. But obviously, it was all meticulously blocked and all of the fun dramatic flourishes that
Starting point is 00:09:48 everybody is doing in that scene. That I remember being quite complicated and learning that song was very hard because, again, Sondheim, he doesn't like to write melodies that you expect. Everything kind of goes in weird directions and rhythms are weird. It's like that ends with like the cadence is like the demon barber of Fleet Street or something like that. Yeah. It's like a straight, you know, like a weird hiccupy thing and everyone had to get it right. But yeah, there was, you were just saying earlier how you are nervous to sing in front of people. And I love to sing, obviously, if anyone who knows me, I love to sing, but
Starting point is 00:10:33 I actually struggle with lyrics. And so I really have a hard time memorizing lyrics and that can then make me really anxious in a performance setting or like, you know, if I have to, you know, like there are a few times I had to sing like long songs on the office and I it just, yeah, it puts me in a panic state. So that one, that cold open was really hard. But I don't know, it was enough rehearsal time. Were you singing live when you guys did that? Or were you singing to like a playback recording? It seems live. It is. It's all live and even the stuff in the theater is live.
Starting point is 00:11:08 I thought so. Yeah. That was my memory too. Yeah. Oh, the, the, the, the, the boombox is fake. Like there was, you know, obviously that was that you hit you play on the boombox. And then, but I think they had a, they had a guide track sort of pumped in under the desks or something that we sang along to. But yeah, that was all real singing. I remember the first take we did of that cold open when you guys came in, we did not know anything. We had not seen you rehearse.
Starting point is 00:11:39 Yeah. It was a complete surprise. I found it so delightful and amazing. It was also my first time seeing all of the costumes, which were so well done. Yeah. And it was good. You guys were good. And I didn't know if it would be good or bad. And I heard that you actually fought for the production of Sweeney Todd to be good and not bad. I did. Yeah. I was very passionate about that because I don't think that I, I mean, there
Starting point is 00:12:07 are exceptions, but I generally don't think that like intentionally bad performance for comedy works. It feels like cheap and easy and like, and so I thought like my take on it was, and I was very happy that, that everyone in production agreed that, and, but there was a lot of discussion about it. This is obviously an amateur production. It's a little regional theater production in Scranton, Pennsylvania, but there's no reason that, that people in Scranton, Pennsylvania aren't like passionate about musical theater and extremely talented and coming from all walks of life and just really eager to do this and that maybe there's a really great director in the town who did a great job casting this thing. And then when
Starting point is 00:12:52 we made the decision to sort of commit to a really good production that then also cascaded down into like, okay, so the costumes are really well done and the sets are going to look good. And, you know, Andy has a big fumble with his cell phone in the production, which is kind of like, that's the mess up, but it's Andy messing up. It's not like, it's not, it's not these, these like, you know, supporting actors who are, who came into like, you know, really sing and perform for us. They're not the butt of the joke. They're, they're part of the fabric of this, the premise of this episode. And I was excited to honor them and honor that and honor, honor regional theater in that way.
Starting point is 00:13:35 I love that. Cause I mean, I've been to great regional theater and we've all like supported like smaller theaters and came up and doing theater and I thought that was a great choice. I'm glad you fought for it. Yeah. It made it so much more fun too. Cause yeah. I think it also played into Michael's jealousy. Like he had to sit through a great production that he wasn't a part of, you know, that Daryl's plumber was crushing it. Yeah. You know, cause you can be a plumber and still kick ass in a musical theater.
Starting point is 00:14:06 That's right. Yeah. My favorite thing when Andy's phone went off was the fact that you, you've ruined the whole plot. Oh my God. Like it wasn't so much that the phone was ringing. It's how Andy tried to justify it and he was ruined the rest of the play because, because the sweetie Todd guy gets a huge laugh with like his improv about the birds. Yeah. The little fix and then Andy just over compensates as he always does and like goes
Starting point is 00:14:32 way too far. Yeah. He has to, has to pull it back. I loved it. Yeah. It was really actually fun. I have to say like, you know, as a fan of musical theater and then just sort of singing production stuff, like it was real, those parts of the office where Andy got to sing and do stuff like that was so fun. You know, when he serenaded Angela and John Michael Higgins came on board to like put that whole acapella thing together.
Starting point is 00:15:02 Man, it just like, it's really fun to put that, you sort of putting all that work in on the side or you're rehearsing in your trailer, you're getting everything kind of like, you know, you want it to be good and you want it to be tight and then you get to perform it for the cast and do it. There was the closing time bar song. Yeah. Yeah. There are just a lot of, a lot of great musical moments throughout the show. You have one of my favorite lines in this episode, Jenna, which was when you guys check in with Ellie on the phone and you're like, yeah, no, it's great to see Andy singing in the right
Starting point is 00:15:38 context or something like that. I forgot what the line is, but like, no, that is it. It's so perfect because it is, that is, it actually, I agreed rewatching the episode, I was, you know, I thought it was, it was nice to see Andy singing in this context. It's usually so intrusive and so like, you know, and that's part of the why it's funny sometimes, but in this context, it actually was kind of, it was nice and it was part of something that was supposed to be that way. And it really, it gave Andy, I think, a sort of authenticity in this episode that, that he really struggles with in most of the Dunder
Starting point is 00:16:19 Mifflin universe. Well, I loved the ending of this episode. I think I rewatched it, I don't know, three or four times. It made me happy. It made my heart happy. And Daryl is playing Macy Gray's Eye Try on the piano and Andy is just belting it out. And you have this montage of all this group of people and where they're at in life and dealing with whatever it is they're dealing. But you're singing Ed in that moment as Andy is like, it's like you, you're a half time at the Super Bowl, man, you're just like everything, your whole body is into it. And it made me so happy. I just love that moment.
Starting point is 00:16:55 Randy told us that the original song for the end was My Heart Will Go On, the Titanic song. That rings a bell. Yeah. He said you even had to go into a studio and record it. And he has like the only recording of it. What? Of it? Of you. We haven't heard it, but he said there is this impassioned version of you singing My Heart Will Go On and then they couldn't get the rights to it and they had to change
Starting point is 00:17:22 it. I vaguely remember that, but I don't remember recording it or, but man, I want to hear that. I know. We'll get it for you from Randy. Yeah. He has a vault of pretty amazing things. Is there any moment from this episode for you that like stood out for Andy as like one of your favorite moments?
Starting point is 00:17:40 I think there's a lot of really cool stuff in this episode. The cold open is just so fun. That's a really special, special thing. And it's Andy kind of like, it's a rare moment of Andy just living in his skin with so much passion and self-confidence. And that's really, really cool. I think the, I was proud of how the, it's very short, but the musical, the solo. Joanna. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:15 I put a lot of work into that and was really proud of how that turned out. Narratively, the Aaron stuff is, is really poignant. I thought that was really sweet. You know, Aaron is just so detached and so like, but it's, but she's clearly tapping into some longing for Andy by showing up and then, and then him kind of getting it at the end and just being like, this, yeah, this is not, not good. Yeah. I loved Andy's earnestness when Aaron had to take the babysitting job when he's like, I get it. It's a huge opportunity.
Starting point is 00:18:53 Yeah. Oh my gosh. He's checking his phone backstage. One of the most brilliant. Okay. So this is actually funny because I was saying before how I generally think that performing badly is a cheap joke. Like if it's, if you're performing, you know, in a performance context and you're doing it badly on purpose. I don't like that usually, but the tag of this episode. Oh my gosh. Of Michael Scott, do we? Lawn Order.
Starting point is 00:19:24 Lawn Order. An entire episode. So badly. As a monologue. So badly. It's so funny. Like I, I watched that four or five times. It's just, it's priceless. But how many people could do that and sell it? But Steve, you know, because that, I believed it. I believed every second that that's how Michael Scott would have done it. 100%. And, you know, Steve almost never broke on, I mean, he very rarely broke. And I was
Starting point is 00:19:53 watching that being like, he had to be cracking himself up. Like this was, there were, I guarantee you there were a few times he broke, you know. When he was slinging, I don't know what, was it a belt or a sash or something as the lady? Yeah. I know he broke doing that. I know he had to have cracked himself up. Or singing the theme song. Like, I just, oh my God. I know. Priceless. Do you guys, I'm curious, like we made so many office episodes and, and it's
Starting point is 00:20:25 really funny to me the way fans understand the episodes as these like very tight, coherent stories. Whereas I find that from our perspective as the actors in looking at these stories from a production standpoint, it takes us a week to shoot a half hour episode. And then we go right into the next week of another episode. And when you look back on it, it's just kind of this wash of work, right? And I don't, for me, it's very hard to kind of remember the specifics of episodes and the specifics of like what was in what episode. And I mean, you guys have been really kind of studying them. So it's probably more front of mind for you. But, but I, I am, I'm, I found this going back and watching this episode
Starting point is 00:21:19 like it did trigger a lot of memories, but it also was a little frustrating kind of realizing that what I don't remember. And there's certain scenes, I don't know if you have this experience watching episodes of the office. All the time. Where you're like, I don't remember shooting that. I don't remember. I don't even remember that day or what was going on. And sometimes it's because you have some crazy thing going on in your life. Or, but more often, I think it's just because you just don't remember every day at work. And I got a little heart sick kind of watching there were some, some
Starting point is 00:21:49 parts of this episode where I was like, Oh boy, I wish I remembered like just, you know, that, that, that scene where we're all around the piano together, it's one of those rare scenes where almost everybody is like in a clump. And it's with positive energy, right? Usually it's usually it's like, you know, a meeting in the conference room. Yeah, it's all crazy. But like to have a moment where, where everyone's kind of in a good place and happy. It just, I remember watching that and thinking like, this is, this is so special. Like I love these people. I love these human beings. And it made me a little bit heart sick for the things I don't remember.
Starting point is 00:22:28 You're literally your character has the line at the end where you say in the finale, you wish that you knew you were in the good times when you were in them. Like that's literally what you're saying. It's true. Yeah. But I get it. It is true though, because you work every day and some days stand out and some days don't. It doesn't matter what your job is and acting is no different. But sometimes I don't know the show the way people know it when they can just sit down and watch it all the way
Starting point is 00:22:56 through. Right, right. And we, we crossboarded episodes. Sometimes we shot three days in one episode and two days in another episode. And it kind of becomes like when your kids mix all the play dough together, you know, and you get that one big play dough mound. I don't know. That's not very articulate. I liked that metaphor. I do too.
Starting point is 00:23:16 I feel like every conference room scene is one memory in my head. So many of these episodes I hadn't seen since we filmed them. Crazy. But I'm so thankful for like a wonderful thing that we have. Amen. Yeah. And when I do catch an episode here and there, it is like just hanging out with old friends. Yeah. It's just awesome. I don't think I ever lost the feeling of excitement walking on to set about what was going to happen. Like, what are these hilarious, wonderful people going
Starting point is 00:23:51 to do to surprise me today? And I can, and like you were saying, conference room scenes, like all of us getting in there just being like, there's something funny is going to happen. Like somebody's going to do something. We all have the script. We know what we're going to say. But it's still like, I can't wait to see how BJ does this line or I can't wait to see how Oscar does this line. And then, you know, take after take. It's just so warm and funny. And there are of course times that you get run down and you get tired and cranky. But I always, always would walk into that soundstage like feeling excited and real and remembering back. I mean,
Starting point is 00:24:28 years, how many years? I worked on the show less than you guys, but seven years. Almost as long. Almost as long. And just always walking on that stage was, was so like, just, just so fun. And like, what's going to happen? Well, Ed, before we let you go, can you tell us a little bit about your music? Are you performing anywhere with your banjo? Are you still doing the bluegrass situation? Yeah. So the bluegrass situation.com is still very much alive and well. And that's a, that's
Starting point is 00:25:02 just kind of a roots and folk bluegrass music kind of community news blog hub. And that's great. I have pulled back from performing a lot in the last couple of years. I had kids and I'm just kind of focused elsewhere, but I still play all the time, especially for my kids because they're a captive audience and they can't walk away. And, and I'm eager to start getting back out there. Yeah. I've been, I've been playing a lot and I'm starting to kind of get more serious about practicing and, and, and rehearsing, but there's not much going on in the professional space at this point. Except Rutherford Falls.
Starting point is 00:25:46 Oh yes, of course. Season two is out now on Chicago. Yes. Yes, indeed. Rutherford Falls season two. Very, very proud of this show, which I co-created with an amazing showrunner, Sierra Teller Ornelas and Michael Scherr, who office fans know well. That's going on. We love it. We love it. Ed, I want to say two things to you. Banjo Kids Album. Banjo.
Starting point is 00:26:12 Right? That is, that has crossed my mind. I've been writing a lot of music lately and I think I'm going to, I just, I think. I would have loved that when Isabel was little because, you know, I, I don't know. I had all the same songs that everyone had had forever. And anytime there was a new kids song that had any kind of a fun tune, oh my gosh, I got so excited. All right. All right. That might be the push I needed to get it done.
Starting point is 00:26:38 Okay. All right. Ed, we love you so much. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for coming in the studio. Yes. Ed is in here. You guys are sitting next to us. This is the table. Yes, we're here. He's next to you. Thanks so much for having me. It's just so good to see you guys. It's wonderful. Warm my heart. I love you. Well, we're going to take a break. We're
Starting point is 00:26:58 going to walk Ed out and then we'll be back to break down this episode. Angela, I'm just going to be happy all day now because we got to hang out with Ed. I know. We should tell you guys we've actually been chatting with him for like an hour. We talked to Ed for two hours. Yeah. I didn't want him to leave me either and we did finally have to let him go. Let him go.
Starting point is 00:27:27 Yeah. We have to finish this episode. Yeah. Also during our break, we reached out to Randy and you guys, he's sending Cassie the audio file of Ed singing. My heart will go on right now. We are going to play it at the end of the episode. I can't wait. Yes. Definitely stick around to hear this. We heard it and it is truly, truly amazing. Like I got chills.
Starting point is 00:27:50 I know. It was kind of a moment. We're going to play the whole entire song. Ed gave us his permission. Enjoy, but stick to the end. It's there. It'll be at the end. Okay. Let's start breaking down this episode. We talked about this a little bit. This episode opens with this fantastic cold open, this performance of a musical number from Sweeney Todd surprises the whole bullpen. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:13 Michael is like, oh my gosh, I auditioned for this. When did the cast list go up? What part did I get? How clueless is Michael? We got a fan catch from Carrie F in Japan. Who said, when Michael asks about the cast list, look at Creed's face in the background. It is amazing. And I feel like everyone should pause to see it. Oh my goodness. Did you look at it? I did. What's he doing?
Starting point is 00:28:39 He, it's hard to explain, but it is a great look. He looks almost like he's responsible for not casting Michael. Like, I don't want to discuss, it was his decision. It's amazing. All right. I have to go check that out. Thanks, Carrie. I was so impressed with this opening musical number. I really thought we should hear these guys. Oh, let's do it. Andy? Yes.
Starting point is 00:29:15 Did you write this? No. Who did? Stephen Sondheim. Who is Stephen Sondheim? Stephen Sondheim. Who is he? Swing your razor by.
Starting point is 00:29:34 Sweetie, hold it to the sky. Sweetie, blows a lot of bells to our lives. What the hell is happening? We had a fan question from Miriam Ellen Utah who wanted to know, how much did NBC pay in royalties for Sweeney Todd? Miriam said typical grand rights can cost a small high school production thousands of dollars. What did you guys pay? Well, I checked with Randy Cordray, of course, and he said this really was a huge deal. Quote, we basically had to produce a full blown community theater production of Sweeney Todd embedded
Starting point is 00:30:19 into a full blown episode of the office and negotiating the music rights was complicated. He said Eric Colgen, our post producer, contacted the Universal Television Music Supervisor, Kerry Druten, about getting the sync rights. That meant that we were allowed to sing the song ourselves. We weren't going to like play a recorded soundtrack. Yeah, there's all these layers to it. But we also had to get something called grand rights because we were going to air it on television. Oh, there's a difference between just doing it on a stage and then committing it to television
Starting point is 00:30:58 forever. Steve and Sonheim had to sign off. They had to send him our script. Really? Mm-hmm. He read our script. He read Andy's play. Oh my gosh. Guess what?
Starting point is 00:31:11 What? He loved it. Oh, he gave us his blessing. Ultimately, we ended up paying $100,000 and we got the rights to sing four songs. And that's how we did it. Wow. I have a fan question from Sarah L in San Antonio, Texas. What's up, Sarah? Hi, Sarah. Where did the singers come from for this episode? Sarah, I love this question. We'll tell you
Starting point is 00:31:36 all about it. Yeah, all the singers were cast by our casting director, Alison Jones. And our director for this episode was John Scott. Before he directed the office, he had directed episodes of Glee. And he'd also worked as a camera operator and cinematographer. So this kind of made him perfect because he knew how to blend musical performance and documentary style shooting. This is the only episode of the office that he directed. And thank goodness, we got him for it. I know. He's a prolific director. If you look him up, he's just done everything.
Starting point is 00:32:08 We also hired a musical supervisor for this episode who Randy called a musical genius. His name was Nathan Wang. He prepped all of the musical background tracks, attended all rehearsals, and he sat in on the auditions with Alison Jones and John Scott. So the three of them found all of our singers. Yes. And Nathan, if you listen to this, Randy could not say enough wonderful things about you. He just went on and on about how important you were for this episode. Yes. Randy also told us that this cold open sequence was choreographed by Mary Ann Kellogg. You guys remember she did the lip dub and here were the performers. Kelly Ebsere played the
Starting point is 00:32:48 beggar lady. Maxwell Glick played Tobias. Heather Marie Marsden played Mrs. Lovett. David Kirk Grant played castmate number two. Erica Hanrahan Ball played Joanna. Harry Murphy played Judge Turpin. Randy Gaia played Pirelli. And Michael Tuba Heatherton played Beatle. What a fantastic group. And lady, how fun was it to see Tuba? I know. I know we should tell everybody who he is because he appeared on the office several times. We even got a fan catch from Rob B. in Los Angeles, California, who said, ladies, I think you need a Tuba tracker. Oh, a Tuba tracker. This episode marks the first appearance
Starting point is 00:33:30 of Michael Tuba Heatherton in the series. And he reprises this role in a deleted scene from season eight, episode 13, jury duty, where he pretends to be a police officer only to be recognized by Daryl as a member of Andy's play. I look forward to that deleted scene, lady. But we will also see Tuba in the seminar as an attendee of Andy's seminar. And we're going to see two of Tuba's clown headshots in Roseanne's talent agency in season nine. And finally, we're going to see him as the minister in season nine, the farm. And in the finale, marrying Dwight and Angela, he's just like Nelson Franklin. He is because he played multiple roles or maybe the same. Maybe he's a man who has many jobs, yeah, like the
Starting point is 00:34:27 character Kirk on Gilmore Girls. He worked everywhere. I have never seen Gilmore Girls. Whoa, really? Yeah. Oh, they talk real fast. They do? Yeah, that was the thing, the dialogue. It comes out very, very fast. Oh, just a style choice? Yes. I don't think I... And you had to say your lines exactly as written. I would not do very well. This is not the show. It's good. You were not cast on it. No, I was not. Well, Robby from Los Angeles wants to know is it just a happy coincidence that Tuba was cast in so many one-off roles on the office, or is there another reason? There is another reason. First of all, Tuba's amazing. We love him. In addition to being extremely talented, Tuba was also married to our amazing script
Starting point is 00:35:15 supervisor, Theta. Yeah. And Tuba was an actor. He was a professional clown. Just an amazing person. Well, let's get into this episode because Andy has two comps for closing night of his show for Erin and her Gabe. And he finds out Gabe isn't going. He didn't think anyone else was going to go. How happy is Andy? He is so happy until it looks like nobody else is coming. Like... Yeah. Jim and Pam's babysitter fell through. Michael's a real sour. He doesn't want to go. There was a series of talking heads here in the shooting draft, and several people share their thoughts on musical theater. Oh, yeah. Yes. I really want to share with you what Stanley has to say and his feelings about standing ovations. I'll be there, but
Starting point is 00:36:02 do not expect to stand a novation. I am sick of going to shows and feeling like I need to stand when the show isn't that good. You hear me, Steve Harvey? What? He's throwing shade at Steve Harvey? I love this talking head. I did, too. I've been to shows where everyone's standing up at the end. It's almost like we stand up at the end of every show. And then you feel bad if you don't. Yeah. And I had a little Stanley. I was like, well, how are they going to know when it's a real standing ovation? If we stand at the end of all of them, it's sort of like, you know, the participation prize. But then I know what it takes to put on a theater production. And you're like, you better stand up. We worked
Starting point is 00:36:48 our butts off. Yeah. Just getting a show off the ground and from beginning to end, stand on up. I feel both ways. This talking head really made me laugh. And then also now when you rewatch this episode, at the end, when they give a standing ovation, it cuts to Stanley and he's got the biggest grump face because he has to now stand and he's really annoyed. You know what? It's funny. I know they cut the talking head, but everything about that shot of him like doing the obligatory standing ovation told me the whole story. Yep. I knew all his feelings about it. Well, Lady Dwight is not going to go because the last time he went to the theater, a man dressed as a cat sat on his lap. I feel like Angela made him
Starting point is 00:37:32 go to cats. Lady, we got so much mail from people. You did? Kobe S. from Wisconsin said, in my mind, I have come to believe that Dwight attended a local production of cats to appease Angela and I believe Andy was the cat who sat on Dwight's lap because in season five employee transfer, Andy dressed like a cat for the production of cats. Yes. I was so curious about that line that I went to the shooting draft to see if it said something like Dwight glances over at Angela. Angela rolls her eyes or something like that. It didn't, but I fully believe that Angela made him go to cats. I'm with you and Kobe S. Yes, Kobe. Guess who wants to go to the play? I know. Angela, I think this is proving the point that she
Starting point is 00:38:21 goes to musicals and she says she would like Dwight to take her and he's like, just just robe. Let's get to it basically. And she's like, uh-uh. No, no, no. You have to take me to the play to get the punch. I have a location alert for this scene. Yes, it's a new location. This is Dwight's office. Now that he's the owner of the building, this is his business manager office. Yes, and it's much nicer than his office at Dunder Mifflin. Yeah, that's true. He doesn't have. He's just part of a desk clump. Well, this was designed by Michael Gallenberg and built by Tim James and it existed over on our warehouse set. At four minutes, 28 seconds, did any of you guys notice the picture of the drone,
Starting point is 00:39:03 the predator drone, big picture? It's tilted. Yes, I did notice that. I was wondering why it was tilted. I figured it had to be on purpose because it's so obviously tilted. I went to the shooting draft to see and this is how it read. Dwight is in his building management office hanging a picture of a predator drone and Angela enters. Angela says, it's crooked. Dwight says, yes, and if I come back and it's straight, I'll know someone was here. Angela says, smart. And then she goes on to say, I want you to take me to the play this evening and the scene continues as it aired. Well, Dwight does agree to take her to the play but he's not wearing a cape, okay? This made me realize, does he always wear a cape
Starting point is 00:39:46 to plays? Like, he's not going to do his usual zhuzh for her. Yeah, has she asked in the past? And he wore a cape. Maybe to cats. Yes. Angela's going to have a talking head where she says, Dwight and I have a contractual agreement to procreate five times, plain and simple. And should he develop feelings for me? Well, that would be permissible under item seven C, clause two, so I would not object. So that little smile at the end that I do, I improvised. Oh. It wasn't in the shooting draft and they really liked it and they asked me to do it every time. Oh, I love when we would do things like that. I know. It was fun to see it again because I remembered all of a sudden all those memories came back.
Starting point is 00:40:25 I was like, oh yeah. We thought maybe she would give away a little bit of her true feelings just for a second. It would always just fill me with such pride as an actor if I was there performing for the director and the writer and I did something with something they'd written for me and they asked me to do it over and over again. Yeah, yeah. I was like, oh yeah. Oh yeah. I did it. I did it. I love it. Pam and Jim are in a pickle because they actually really want to go but they don't have a babysitter. Yes. Andy comes in the kitchen and asks them if they could just keep looking and Pam's like, yes, we will keep looking. There was a joint Jim and Pam talking head. Yes. About how much they love going
Starting point is 00:41:06 to musical theater. I know. I know. When Randy was giving us his insider info on this episode, for this scene he wrote, Jenna, you sound like you have a cold. Oh yeah. I did. I think I did have a cold. Yeah. Well, it's time for the show. The loose screw playhouse is buzzing. Yes. Everyone has made it. Yeah. Phyllis is wearing her fur stole and she's arrived with Bob Vance. Mm-hmm. Stanley has brought his mistress. Cynthia. Mm-hmm. There was a whole runner where Phyllis thinks Cynthia's hitting on Bob and she's ticked off. I loved it. I know. It's in deleted scenes. It's so good. We had a fan question from Aaron Y. in Springfield, Ohio. Where was the performance of Andy's play located? Well, this was a
Starting point is 00:41:56 little bit of trickery. Mm-hmm. The exterior shot of the theater that you just see very briefly with no people in front of it. That was the Macha Theater in West Hollywood. We used an old stock photo of the theater and added graphics on top to say loose screw playhouse. But the whole interior, the lobby, backstage, the stage, that was the Assistance League Theater. We shot there for four days and our base camp was in a Sears parking lot that was nearby. Mm-hmm. Lady, I feel like there's a chance you went to Sears one day. Maybe at lunch. Sounds like you. I'm sure I did. Oh, I went there. I liked it. You just remember the memory of yourself going. And you got so excited. I remember this. I was
Starting point is 00:42:48 so excited. You know, it's not easy to find a Sears in Los Angeles, California. No, it's not. It's where I bought my first washer and dryer when I moved here. Yeah. And I had to go far into the valley to find a Sears. Yeah. My very first credit card was a Sears credit card. Really? That I applied for by myself. I was so excited. I had a credit card. But only for Sears. But only for Sears. Wow. My first pair of roller skates. I ordered out of a catalog because I'm 100 years old. We were living in Jakarta, Indonesia. We got the Sears catalog and I ordered a pair of roller skates. And eight months later, they were mine because it took forever to get anything overseas at that time. Well, listen, I don't
Starting point is 00:43:31 know what Sears is like today, but back in ye olde days. Ye olde times. That's where you bought all of your appliances because they had wonderful warranties and great service. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Michael is going to arrive. And one of my favorite lines that teases up the best tag of any episode, I think, is an usher says, Hey, are you the guy that did the entire Law and Order episode for your audition? Mm-hmm. Oh, my gosh. The usher was played by Barbara Fisher. No relation. I think we should point out that Michael arrived with a giant bunch of helium balloons. Oh, yes. Yeah. That are going to become a problem later. Well, there was a deleted scene where he called to get flowers, but they were so expensive.
Starting point is 00:44:18 He pretended that he lost reception and hung up. And then he got balloons instead. And then he got balloons instead. Well, Andy is thrilled that everyone has shown up. But he notices the one person who isn't there is the only person he wanted to be there, which is Erin. Yeah. But she is who is babysitting for Jim and Pam. Listen, the 13-year-olds have cornered the market on babysitting. It's been a real tough industry for her to get into. Yeah. She has this whole talking head where she says she really needs to get into the babysitting game. And, lady, I did a deep dive on babysitting. Did you? I'm very curious. You know, my very first job was babysitting. I started babysitting when I was 14. What did you get per hour?
Starting point is 00:45:03 Oh, my goodness. I can't remember. I got a dollar an hour. That's what I got. And if there were two or more children, I got $2 an hour. I just remember I babysat these twin boys who were so little. They were like, I don't know, five months old. And I look back and I'm like, what were they thinking, leaving these twins with me? I was so unqualified. But I did take good care of them. No one was injured on my watch. Yeah. My best friend and I, we shared a babysitting summer job for this family. They had three children all under the age of seven. The littlest was like 10 months old. I don't remember him walking. And I would do like Mondays and Wednesdays. She would do Tuesdays and Thursdays. And then
Starting point is 00:45:50 we would both babysit on Fridays. And I must have been 15. Yeah. I couldn't drive a car if something happened. Yes. I didn't have a cell phone. Nobody had a cell phone. Nobody had a cell phone. I think back on that time and I just think like, what did I do with that baby all day? I know. I mean, they all lived. So I guess I took care of them. I'm sure we did a good job. But looking back on it now, especially that we have kids, you're like, what? Yeah. It was bonkers. I know. Well, I did have a lot of energy and I do remember doing things like setting up a sprinkler in the backyard and we're all running through it. And oh, I remember one time my baby sat this little girl and I decided we were going
Starting point is 00:46:34 to make our own newspaper. I had a lot of energy. See, we were great babysitters. What's your deep dive say? Well, listen, according to mom news daily, the average cost of a babysitter nationwide right now is around $15 an hour. And then parents.com tracked the average hourly rate for a babysitter in every state. Oh, state by state. What's it for California? Because Isabel said she wants to start babysitting this summer. California is pretty good. What is it? It's around $17 an hour. An hour? Mm hmm. Wow. In Pennsylvania, it's $15. $15 an hour. The most expensive was New York at just over $18 an hour. Hmm. The least expensive was Louisiana at $12.49 an hour. But listen, no matter what state your baby
Starting point is 00:47:26 sitting in, all of the rates are well above the federal minimum wage of $7.25. So this got me curious. Started looking up minimum wages. Okay. Because a lot of states have adopted higher minimum wages. For example, the minimum wage in Arkansas is $11. In Maine, it's $12.75. But there are many states who do not have a state minimum wage and instead they just rely on that $7.25. The minimum wage in Pennsylvania is $7.25. And this would have been true even at the time that this episode was filmed in 2010. Because the last time that we had a federal minimum wage increase was in 2007. This episode was filmed in 2010. So the minimum wage was $7.25. It is very likely that Erin was going to earn more than that. The bottom
Starting point is 00:48:20 line of all my research is that babysitting is almost always going to earn you more than either the federal or your state minimum wage. And Erin was right to want to get into the side hustle. Mm-hmm. Babysitting. Babysitting. Well, the play is starting and there's an important piece of information that is going to send Michael in a huge spiral. Oh, it's so great. Daryl says, hey, that's my plumber. Michael's like, uh-uh-uh-uh. No, no, no. The guy playing Sweeney Todd, he's a ringer. He's like a world-class actor. Daryl's like, nope, it's in the bio. That is my plumber. He's never even been in a play. They discovered him doing karaoke. Michael's like, are you kidding me? And then Daryl has one of my
Starting point is 00:49:02 favorite lines in the episode. He goes, shh, if we don't listen to the overture, we won't recognize the musical themes when they come back later. I loved that, too. At seven minutes and 10 seconds, I want to give a shout out to our sideline musicians. So we talked with Ed about how everybody was singing live. The music was actually not performed live. That was a playback soundtrack that had been prepared by Nathan Wang, our musical supervisor. But we have some musicians pretending to play all the music. They were Kevin Roberts, who was our keyboardist and conductor. Trey Balfour, who was our percussionist. Marina Menukian, who was the violinist. And Tom Evans was our flutist. Flutist? Flutist. Is a flutist
Starting point is 00:49:52 a flutist? A flutist is a flutist. It sounds like flutus, like, you know, the dish. It's a flutus. Why aren't they a flutist? I don't know. What's wrong with why are we confusing it? Why are we changing all the letters? It's probably a ye olde, timey reference that we held on to for no reason. Well, okay. Our flutus in his hammock was playing the flute. How about that? The show is well underway. And you know what? Andy's crushing it. He really is. He's singing his solo, Joanna. I mean, Stanley is sleeping, but Jim and Pam are impressed. So is Dwight. Dwight is kind of like nudging the guy next to him like, hey, I know that guy. Angela's going to get gum on her seat. Gross. She's got to leave.
Starting point is 00:50:43 Is she going to get gum on her seat? She has to change. Yeah, she does because it's gross. Her body has touched some gum that was on a seat. Dwight says, you know what? I'm not going to tell you what happened while you're gone. He refuses. Do we have a new slash old tech alert? What is it? Kelly's going to ask Ryan for the time and he's going to show her a clock on his iPad. We had a fan mail flurry about that iPad, Angela. Ella Ward from Dallas, Texas and many others said, when Michael asked Andy in the beginning how long the play is, Andy says it's an hour and 45 minutes and it starts at 8pm sharp, meaning it should be over at 9.45. Maybe 10 o'clock with an intermission. But later in the episode
Starting point is 00:51:26 when Ryan shows Kelly what time it is, his clock reads 10.07 and the first act isn't even over. Why is the play already gone two hours and seven minutes before intermission is Ella's question? I went to the script. It's not much of a help because in the script it was scripted to read 9.35, which would still be off timeline wise. I don't know. That's a good catch. Well, ladies, should we take a break? And when we come back, we'll go to intermission because a lot happens. So much happens. We are back and the first thing that happens at intermission is that the director of this stage production, Shelby Thomas Weems, who was played by Phil Abrams and who I could
Starting point is 00:52:18 not have loved more. He's so fantastic. There's more of him in deleted scenes than I share. Really? Oh, I'm so happy to hear that. He comes up to Michael and he says, if you keep auditioning with that same gusto, we will find a part for you, Michael. What is this character he's created? I love Shelby Thomas Weems. There'll be another pep talk from him. I'm gonna save it. I'm gonna save it. Oh, lady. I'm so very excited. Michael is still so sour. He's gonna steal a whole bottle of wine. I love it. Angela is gonna show up dressed in tight jeans and a cute top. They have just her old dirty gardening clothes. What are you talking about? Yeah, Dwight's like, why are you the Steve Cadillac model?
Starting point is 00:53:06 Yeah, why are you dressed like a seat catalog model? I wanted to read you the stage direction from the shooting draft because there was one little detail that Alicia, our costume designer, had to make sure was on my pair of jeans. What? And it was there for the whole show and I don't think you really catch it. What is it? All right, here you go. Angela approaches Dwight wearing cute jeans and a gingham blouse. They start to exit. In spite of himself, Dwight's eyes linger. The camera finds the clear plastic strip on the jeans that has the size. Clearly this was very calculated. Oh, she had just bought this outfit. She didn't own any of these clothes. She quickly changed and forgot to take the sticker on the side
Starting point is 00:53:53 of the jeans off that says the size. I've done that so many times. Me too. You walk around all day and then you get home. You go to put it in the laundry and you're like, oh my gosh. Yeah, exactly. Okay. I love this detail because when I saw that outfit, I was like, they made you too cute. What? No, I'm like, I don't even believe it. Like, you looked so stinking cute in this outfit and it was like, it's too sexy. It's too sexy. The seat catalog outfit? The seat catalog outfit. It was such a departure from Angela's regular wardrobe and this makes so much sense. She just bought it. Yeah. And you know what? She's going all out. Did you catch the platform shoes? I did. Well, also during this intermission,
Starting point is 00:54:42 Pam is going to call Erin to check in. And this is where she's going to tell Erin that the play is going great. We talked about the scene a little bit with Ed. Yeah. He liked this line of Pam's. Yeah. I wanted to say that we got some mail from people who were saying they thought that Pam seemed a little unusually tense in this phone call with Erin. Oh, well, I mean, there's a lot more in deleted scenes. I was going to say, before the play started, there was a scene where Erin is texting Pam, but only a CC. Yes, it's so like bonkers. Erin will only communicate with Pam and Jim as if she's CC talking. And that's why in intermission, Pam was like, do not put CC on the phone. She cannot talk. Yeah. That's why
Starting point is 00:55:29 there's that edge and urgency to her. Backstage, Andy is checking his email. Any last minute messages from Erin? Nothing. There were more scenes backstage as Andy really starts to get down. He's really bummed out. I loved it so much because we get to see more of the director Shelby Thomas-Waymes. Give him a pep talk. You have to hear it, Jenna, because as an actor, it's that classic pep talk that you get. Can we hear it? Andy. Andy. I know the sadness that you're feeling right now does not feel like a gift, but it is. Use it. Let it inform your performance. Use it. I'm so upset. I just, I think I should go home. Then go home. Conrad can do your part. I'm going to use it. Use it.
Starting point is 00:56:31 I can do your part. I'm going to use it. There's so many things about the scene that are amazing. He's every director I've ever had. Every theater director. Yeah. I've ever had. Yeah. I really wish you could see. I'm going to record it and show you. I have to put it in stories. When Shelby, the director says, you've got to use it. And then Andy's like, I don't know if I can. He's like, well, then go home. Conrad can play your part. It cuts to Conrad. No. The person who played Conrad gives the most brilliant look like, huh? Like what? It's so good. That needs to be in the episode. It's really fantastic. It really does. While all of that was happening backstage, there's a quick cutaway to the lobby where Creed
Starting point is 00:57:19 is giving a review of the play. Unfavorable review. Yes. His line is, unfortunately, in this ham-fisted production of Sweeney Todd, the real terror comes from the vocal performances. Well, listen, it's act two now. And Michael is drinking from his full bottle of wine. He's passing it around. Yeah. It goes to Daryl to Meredith to Kevin. And we got a fan question. Okay. At 10 minutes 45 seconds, Victoria S. from Chesterfield, Virginia says, I've got to know, was there a storyline cut out involving Kevin and a jacket that he wears to Andy's play? Yes, Victoria, there was. Yes. If you see, he's wearing this like, what do you call that? Like a bomber jacket? Well, they remind me of like the Varsity Athletic Jackets you get when
Starting point is 00:58:16 you make the varsity team. It has the leather sleeve and then the fabric on the torso part. Yeah. And it's embroidered with the name Kevin. Yeah. So there was a scene from before the play starts in the lobby. Oscar's looking at old show posters and Kevin walks up wearing a Sweeney Todd jacket. And Oscar's like, Kevin, why'd you buy that? And Kevin's like, it was cold. And then the stage direction said, reveal the jacket is embroidered with Kevin. Now, here's the thing, lady. That's all I could find was that little bit. I was curious about this too, because not only did he buy this very expensive merch, but then he had it personalized and you can't buy it in the moment personalized. They can't just quickly monogram your name on it. That was my thing.
Starting point is 00:59:04 I wondered if it was a cast member's jacket named Kevin. Well, here's what I found. In the shooting draft, there was a scene where Kevin goes backstage to meet the actress who played Mrs. Lovett. He is a huge fan of hers and has been to every show, kind of implying that he has a big crush on her. Oh, she's a total stranger. This isn't his first time seeing Sweeney Todd. She says you've come to every show. Yeah, he's like kind of obsessed with her. And I think he got the jacket to impress her. Wow. If he had been coming to every run of the show, he had time to order it and get it monogrammed. But in deleted scenes, there is a scene where Kevin goes backstage and he runs up to the person who plays Mrs. Lovett and he says this. Hi. Kevin. Hi. Stuart, this is my brother
Starting point is 01:00:03 Kevin. Hi. I can't believe you came to every show. You're good. Oh, thank you. See, you never come to anything I ever do. So what's the change? We need to put mom in a home. Wait, wait. So in one iteration of this, in the shooting draft, she's a stranger and he's been to every show and he's her biggest fan. I never saw this scripted anywhere. So I don't know if this was something that they handed pages changed right then that day. But in deleted scenes, Mrs. Lovett is Kevin's sister and he's been to every show. Wow. But I think that explains why he bought the jacket. Yeah. We tried to do a little mom detective for you there. Yeah. We need detective did, did, did, did. That jacket would have been really expensive, by the way. A hundred bucks easily. It was nice. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:56 We talked about this next scene a little bit with Ed, where Andy's phone rings. Yeah. In the middle of the performance, but that's not the only disturbance is it? No. Michael is trying to set the bottle of wine in between his feet on the floor, knocks it over and it starts to roll down the whole entire audience. This bottle rolls for 19 seconds. It made me laugh every time I want to hear it. Where do you suppose all the rig makers of London go to obtain their human hair? So you think. So you think. It's so long. So you. That's such a long amount of television time, lady. In silence, let a bottle roll.
Starting point is 01:01:51 I looked in the script at the script note and it had a delicious little nugget that says, you think it's done, but it's not. It was so great. I mean, when they were looking at locations, I guess they had to make sure there was no carpeting. Like they had to be able, this was in the script from the beginning. Yeah. Well, that's not even all because then balloons start popping. Yes. Michael loses control of his balloons. They start popping and then a baby starts crying. A baby CC. Aaron has brought CC and is standing in the back of the theater. Andy is so happy. He says she's a terrible babysitter. We had a fan question from Sean M. in Cincinnati who says, Oh my gosh, I have been waiting to ask this question since you all started
Starting point is 01:02:47 this podcast. No, scratch that. I've been waiting to ask this question since this episode first aired 11 years ago. Oh my goodness. At 13 minutes and 56 seconds, why is Meredith climbing onto the stage behind Andy's talking head? Please tell me there is an answer because it keeps me up at night and I just need this mystery solved. Sean, you've held on to this for a long time. Did you notice it, Ange? Because I didn't even notice it. Sean, I didn't even notice it and I watched this episode four times. I went back and looked at it and sure enough, yes, Meredith is climbing on stage behind Andy's talking head. So I went to the script and there is a very odd stage direction that is supported by nothing but does say this. Behind Andy, we see Meredith climb onto stage and jump up and down.
Starting point is 01:03:38 I think it was just meant to be like an extension of the mayhem that it was like bottle, balloons, baby, Andy's giving this talking head. Meredith is jumping on stage. Well, Meredith had drank most of that bottle of wine. I think that's what it is when they passed it around. Yeah, she held on to it for a bit. Exactly. Wow. Sean, I did not catch that. That is hilarious. Everyone can look for it now. Great background catch. Real good. Jim and Pam are so ticked off. They're going to take Cece home. Pam says they won't ever be leaving the house together again. Yeah. This is our first time getting to meet little baby Cece. What a cutie. We used twins for Cece. They were Sienna and Bailey Stroll and they played Cece for the bulk of the show.
Starting point is 01:04:28 They were just the sweetest kids. Their parents were wonderful. I just loved these girls when I saw myself holding that little baby. I mean, I held those girls a lot. A lot. I was with them a lot. You spent a lot of time with them too off camera so they'd be comfortable with you. Yeah. You were so great with them. Oh, I would love to see them again. I know. Wouldn't that be amazing? What's it like for them to know that they were baby Cece on the office? I wonder because they're like, I can't believe it. They must be almost teenagers now. Yeah. Maybe they, are they like 13 now? I think they are, lady. They'd have to be close and age to Isabel because when we filmed this episode, Isabel was a year and a half old.
Starting point is 01:05:11 Oh my goodness. I know. I measure everything. It's like that thing you do where you measure everything that happened in your life by how old your child was. I do that a lot for the office. I have pre baby years and then post baby years on the office. Yes. Well, unfortunately for Stanley, there will be a standing ovation. He's going to have to get up. There is. It seems to be motivated when the actor playing Sweeney Todd comes out on stage. People loved his performance. Michael starts to boo him. Boo's him. So rude. Meanwhile, outside, Angela and Dwight are looking for Angela's car in the parking lot. Did you catch this couplet of dialogue when Dwight and Angela are talking about how bad
Starting point is 01:06:05 the show was? And Angela says that was more horrifying than nonsense. Did you catch that she said nonsense? That's the name of the show. Yes. She doesn't say nonsense. Some people thought that she says nonsense. So nonsense was a musical comedy written by Dan Gogan. It's very famous lady. Nonsense. Yeah. I wasn't familiar with it. Well, you know who is familiar with it? Who? Our very own Phyllis Smith. She starred in Nonsense at the St. Louis Muny. That's right. So you guys, here's the plot of Nonsense. The show starts when the little sisters of Hoboken discovered that their cook, Sister Julia, had accidentally poisoned 52 of her sisters.
Starting point is 01:06:54 They are in dire need of funds for the burials. The sisters decide that the best way to raise the money is to put on a variety show. So they take over the school auditorium, which is currently set up for the eighth grade production of Grease. You meet all of the nuns. It's a full-on musical. It features tap dancing, ballet dancing, an audience quiz, comic surprises, and it became an international phenomenon. Well, we got a fan question from Candy Bee in Cartersville, Georgia, who said, my girlfriends and I make an annual pilgrimage to the Muny in St. Louis. Angela, the Muny is this huge outdoor amphitheater. And every year they put on a variety of big musical productions. So fun. When there is a kid, it's so big that you need binoculars sometimes to see
Starting point is 01:07:43 the stage if you're back far enough. But that's like part of it. Like, I would go as a kid, we'd get the binoculars and you watch the show. Candy said, one time we got to see Phyllis Smith perform in Nonsense. When she made her entrance on stage, she got a big laugh because another character asked her where she had been for so long. And Phyllis pointed offstage and said, over there in the office. That was her line, over there in the office. That's fantastic. Dwight and Angela's scene will continue. And I wanted to read you guys the stage direction in the shooting draft. Oh, lady, I wrote it down too. Oh, it says Angela stops and turns towards the wind, looking for her car, looking as in quotes. The moon lights up her face,
Starting point is 01:08:36 the wind blows through her hair. She looks stunning in a natural normal way we've never seen. Dwight is taken aback. I loved this phrasing, a natural normal way we've never seen. And lady Lexi T from Bermuda wrote in and said, damn, Angela, you look amazing. Go lady. Thank you. It was, it was like exactly perfect. Did they have a fan to blow your hair? They had a fan and I had to turn just right so my hair didn't blow across my face. Yeah. And they also put little twinkly lights in the trees to kind of make it look a little bit more, you know, romantic. The scene was really fun to do, especially playing someone who was so buttoned up for years to finally just even be in a normal outfit. Yeah. Here's how the
Starting point is 01:09:33 scene continued in the shooting draft. Angela leans in to Dwight. She reaches for his pants. Dwight sighs. She reaches into his pocket and pulls out the whole punch. Dwight says, was that in the way? Get rid of it. She punches the card and hands it back to him. Good night, Dwight. Angela climbs in her car. Dwight watches her completely frustrated. Yeah. He wanted to get it on. And she was like, no, no, this will count. Just coming to the play with me. She's leaving him wanting more. We had to figure out exactly how we were going to choreograph that scene. And, you know, rain is so much taller than me. So we were trying to figure out what their embrace looked like. And, you know, he picked me up fairly easily. So we went with that.
Starting point is 01:10:20 We had a fan catch from Maddie M in Minneapolis who said old tech alert at 17 minutes and 20 seconds, Angela had to use the key to manually unlock her car door. Yes. Backstage at the after party, Michael can be found eating dried apricots. He's eaten 30 of them. I had to look that up, lady. That seemed like too many. He's had 30 dried apricots and a bunch of red wine. How's the rest of that evening going to play out? Well, I'll tell you the recommended daily consumption of dried apricots is three to four per day. What? He ate 30? He's eaten 10 times. The recommended amount? Oh no. It was about 480 calories of dried apricots. And if you eat too much dried fruit in one sitting, it can cause gas, abdominal cramping, bloating constipation,
Starting point is 01:11:07 or possibly diarrhea. Oh. So that's what? That's what's ahead of Michael. He has coming. This is when Sweeney Todd, who was played by Robert Mimana comes up. Darrell says, you crushed it. You did great. And he sees Michael and says, you're the guy that booed me. Michael was like, there are a lot of people booing you. That wasn't just me. And he's like, no, it was you. And Darrell really calls Michael out on it. He's like, how would you like that? And he starts booing him. Michael doesn't like it at all. The actor who played Sweeney Todd has done a ton of stuff. He's done television dramas, but also a ton of theater. He graduated from the University of Arizona with a Bachelor of Fine Arts,
Starting point is 01:11:51 and he has been nominated and won several awards for theater. He really was our ringer. Yeah. Well, Andy and Erin are going to have just, you know, their usual sweet but weird scene. Yep, where Andy is going to show her how Sweeney Todd would kill people in the barber chair, and they're just having the best time. And she says, I'm so glad we're hanging out outside of work again. Yeah. And then he takes her into the audience and he shows her where her seats would have been, how it's the exact perfect spot to get the right acoustics. It seems far back, but it's actually the best sound. And that's when Gabe calls. He needs some soup. Cape. They've really written him like a wet blanket.
Starting point is 01:12:33 He is. It's true. Well, Jim and Pam get home and they have that classic parent moment where the kid is happy in the car seat. Maybe she's fallen asleep and they know if they get her out of that car seat, she's going to wake up. So they decide to have their own nightcap out in the car. Well, we got a fan question and from Samantha G in Florida who said, this is more of a request than a question in a continuation of your scotch and splendor sampling. Oh no. No, we're not going to have Irish cream and orange juice. No. Samantha said, I wanted to see if you would be willing to brave orange juice and Irish cream. Samantha.
Starting point is 01:13:14 It sounds like a terrible combination, but I'd love for you ladies to take one for the team and give it a try. So lady, I brought in some Irish cream and orange juice. You did not. I cannot believe you bought Irish cream and orange juice. I'll go get it. It's in the fridge. Are you supposed to refrigerate Irish cream? I don't know. I've never even had it. I wasn't sure. I've never had Irish cream. It's like whiskey and cream, right? And you mix that with orange juice? I mean, normally you put it in your coffee, I think. Oh, yeah. Yeah. All right. I'll go get it. All right. Jenna has gotten the Irish cream and orange juice.
Starting point is 01:13:50 I have it. Now, I don't know what proportions I'm doing here. I'm so sad that Sam isn't here today. I feel like he would want to be a part of this. Sorry, Sam, but you're on a lovely vacation. Abby, our guest engineer, surprise. You get Irish cream and orange juice. Just what you've always wanted. This probably disgusting drink. What do I, what do you think? How much orange juice and how much Irish cream? I feel like it should be mostly orange juice. I mean, no, not on me. Go light on orange juice. Light on orange juice. Heavy on Irish cream? Well, am I supposed to shake this first? Why do I feel like I should shake it?
Starting point is 01:14:31 No, don't shake it. Don't shake it. Found a recipe. Oh, there's a recipe? Yeah. It looks like five eighths a cup of Irish cream and then one and a half cups orange juice. So it's mostly orange juice. Yeah. All right. Okay. And then you are supposed to stir it or try blending it. Blending it. Well, you know what? Jim and Bam didn't blend anything. Oh, it's curdling. That looks disgusting. We need to stir it. It's not mixing together. It looks like someone vomited in their orange juice. Angela, this is yours. It's more Irish cream. No, follow the recipe.
Starting point is 01:15:13 That's what you said. You wanted it with the more weird curdling stuff. We need something to stir it. I'm going to go get a spoon. Okay. Cold, please. Okay. Here's a spoon. It's not really helping. The spoon is not doing anything. These two liquids don't want to go together. That's clear to me. Okay. There we go. Cassie, Abby, they are not running in. Other times, I mean, there's no movement from them. They have not left their chairs. They clearly don't want to drink. You don't have to. I want to go on record that for my beet vodka, people came in here at least at a quicker pace than this.
Starting point is 01:15:58 Oh, yeah. I was excited for beet vodka. This is, this looks really scary. Yeah. It looks disgusting. Abby did not know what she was getting into when she was like, I'd love to fill in for Sam today. Everyone say hi, Abby. Here we go. Here we go. Oh, it's not bad. Yeah, it kind of tastes like a creamsicle. Yeah, it is. It tastes like a creamsicle. Yeah. It's not as bad as it looks. It looks really gross. It looks disgusting. I can't taste any of the alcohol. It just sort of tastes like creamy orange juice.
Starting point is 01:16:29 It's not the worst thing in the world. Well, paint me surprised. Yeah. I mean, Scotch and Splenda, total surprise. Beet vodka, absolute surprise. And this one, not as bad as it sounds. Not as bad as it looks. I'm not going to order it. Like I would maybe order a Scotch and Splenda. The look of it is so foul. It's just foul looking, but it doesn't taste as bad. Well, Samantha, there you have it. Can I say something? I hope so. It's not sitting in my stomach good. I wouldn't take another drink, lady. I would stop drinking it. It's turning on me.
Starting point is 01:17:10 Is it really? Mm-hmm. That one tastes more like orange juice than anything else, which is good. You know that acid-y feeling you get in your throat after you've thrown up? Oh, no. I'm taking a sip of water now. Yeah, I used my water glass. I'm going to take that water. Okay. Well, fair warning. It could turn on you. All right. Okay. I will continue. Oh, yeah. I feel like I have a little bit of heartburn all of a sudden. Right. Yeah. Are you guys feeling the heartburn in there a little bit? Nothing yet, but now I'm scared.
Starting point is 01:17:45 I'm really glad we're near the end. I'm glad this didn't come earlier in the episode. All right. I should eat a banana or something. Yeah. Where are we? I can't even get to the tree. Okay. We are... Andy is moping backstage for where we are, and we're about to have that great scene that we talked about with Ed. I absolutely love the scene. Everyone's like, Andy, you were so great. Come on. Sing us a song. Sing a song. And he starts to sing and... Sorry. It's making me burp. I told you. I mean, how many sips did we take? Like two. And it is immediately... Like, my body is rejecting it. It didn't taste bad,
Starting point is 01:18:30 but my body is saying don't... My eyes said don't drink that. First, visually, my eyes were like, don't put that in your body. But now my body is never wanting me to ingest that again. I took three sips. I told that third sip. Is like, I feel like something's burning in my chest. Okay. I'm so sorry. I had to burp. Who wrote that? Who wrote this episode? Charlie Grandy. Charlie. What have you done to us?
Starting point is 01:18:58 Okay. Anyway, everyone gathers around. I absolutely love this. Darryl starts to play Macy Gray's I Try on the piano and Andy sings his heart out. I went to the shooting draft, Jenna, because I wanted to see if it mentioned the Celine Dion song that Randy told us about. Yeah. It doesn't. This is what it says in the shooting draft. Darryl starts to play, I would do anything for love by meatloaf. Oh my goodness. And Andy starts to sing and I would do anything for love. I'd run right into hell and back. I would do anything for love. I'll never lie to you. And that's a fact. As Andy sings, Bob puts his arm around him. Oh, that's the shooting draft.
Starting point is 01:19:43 Well, Randy told us that this song, Macy Gray's I Try, cost $25,000 and that Craig Robinson pre-recorded his keyboard track. So while we're shooting, Craig is just pretending to play. And the reason that they did this was so that they could keep the tempo of every take the same during editing. So they could cut between. The episode is going to end. We mentioned this very briefly with Ed with my favorite tag, I think maybe ever in the series. We are going to see Michael's audition where he performs an entire episode of Law and Order, including the opening and all musical interludes. It starts with, in the criminal justice system, the people are defended by two separate but equally important groups, the police who investigate the crimes
Starting point is 01:20:33 and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. These are their stories. And Michael goes kong kong. Well, you know my love of law and order. So I thoroughly enjoyed Michael's whole monologue. I needed it to go on. I couldn't get enough of it. I could not get enough of it. I went to deleted scenes. I wanted to know if there was more. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any other footage. This is an email to Dave Rogers, I think. It is the holder of all footage. It is absolutely brilliant. Every single second of it is magic. And you guys, that was Andy's play. Yes. And a big thank you to Ed Helms who joined us in studio today. You can catch Ed's series, Rutherford Falls on Peacock. It's wonderful. Ed,
Starting point is 01:21:16 we love you. And thank you to Randy Cordray for such great behind the scenes details. And now here is Ed Helms as Andy singing, My Heart Will Go On by Celine Dion. Every night in my dreams, I see you, I feel you. That is how I know you go on. Far across the distance and spaces, between us, you've come to show you go on. Near, far, wherever you are, I believe that the heart does go on. Once more, you open the door, and you're here in my heart, and my heart will go on and on. Love can touch us one time, and last for a lifetime, and never let go till we're gone. Love was when I loved you, one true time I owe to, and in my life we'll always go on.
Starting point is 01:23:17 Far, far, wherever you are, I believe that the heart does go on. Yes it does. Once more, you open the door, and you're here in my heart, and my heart will go on and on. There's nothing I fear, and I know that my heart will go on. I will stay forever this way, you're safe in my heart, and my heart will go on and on. Thank you for listening to Office Ladies. Office Ladies is produced by Earwolf, Jenna Fisher, and Angela Kinsey. Our show is executive produced by Cody Fisher. Our producer is Cassie Jerkins, our sound engineer is Sam Kiefer, and our associate producer is Ainsley Bubicoe. Our theme song is Rubber Tree by Creed Bratton. For ad-free
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