Oh What A Time... - #54 Music (Part 2)

Episode Date: July 1, 2024

This is Part 2! For Part 1, check the feed from yesterday! Fire up the orchestra because this week you’ll be listening to us talk about: Music. We’ve got for you the ancient music of Antiquity, Richard the Lionheart and his banging tunes and the history of songs being sung on the terraces. Lots and lots of chat this week about what it would be like to be trapped in a prison made of trifle. If you’ve got anything to add to the conversation, you can email us at: [e-mail] If you're impatient and want both parts in one lovely go next time plus a whole lot more(!), why not treat yourself and become an Oh What A Time: FULL TIMER? In exchange for your £4.99 per month to support the show, you'll get: - two bonus episodes every month! - ad-free listening - episodes a week ahead of everyone else - And first dibs on any live show tickets Subscriptions are available via AnotherSlice, Apple and Spotify. For all the links head to: ohwhatatime.com You can also follow us on:  X (formerly Twitter) at @ohwhatatimepod And Instagram at @ohwhatatimepod Aaannnd if you like it, why not drop us a review in your podcast app of choice? Thank you to Dan Evans for the artwork (idrawforfood.co.uk). Chris, Elis and Tom x Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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this as we toucest on the top. During the Euro is of course three lines is on the radio. I've listened to it probably two or three times today as I often do when an international tournament is on music can take you places now I'm gonna take you back to 1927 to a hymn that has become synonymous we discussed in the 1927 F8 Cup Final, because that means we have to discuss Cardiff City. How do you know that? Do you know all the FICup finals or do you simply know that because Cardiff City were in it? What's your... They are, they go on about it all the time. So if you're a Card of City fan, on Twitter your name would be 1927, Tom. Really? Or Tom Crane, 1927.

There's the 1927 club. Can I say, I find that a bit weird, that people get that people get that much pride from things that happened a hundred years ago. I think it has to be a win in your lifetime. I always kind of feel thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th. th. th. th. thi they they they they they they they they thi they they they thi they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're thi. they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that. that. that. that. They that. that. that. that. they go go go that. they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they about the fact that you're like you never tell a card of city fan that because oh my god. You will you will not win that argument. I mean we won a league cup in color in the age of the smartphone. Yes. But they're like Smickey Moose Cup, when the F8 Cup when the FAA cup men said something meet. When the F8 they was it it it it it it it it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they th cu. It was th. It was more th. It was more thoomeree. It was th. It was the the th. It was the th. It was th. It was th. It was th. It was th. It was the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I I I I I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th.I.I.I. I the. I the. I the. the. tole. tole. tole. tole. tole. te. tole. t Cup meat. We won the F8 Cup when the F8 Cup mentioned meat. When the F8 Cup was more important than the league back in 1927. We won the F8 Cup.

It's only time this ever left England mate. The actual F8 Cup mate. The League Cup no one gives a fuck. Yeah, but I had an iPhone. It's on the tele. If you seen the boots they were wearing back then in 26? Sort of workman's boots with a few peg stuck on the bottom. Anyway, Chris, far away. Yeah, by the me.

It was so, they sung it in 1927 before the game. It was a favorite of King George the 5th. And it was sung in commemoration of the Fallen during the First World War. So Cardiff players 1927, not under the survived the First World War and they brought the FAA Cup home to Wales for the first and only time. They would go on to influence Twitter handles in the Cardiff area over a hundred years later. That year's final was held on the 23rd of April. Well that's where Ellis also suitably another blue bird isn't it the Twitter hinder. Yeah lovely, lovely stuff. Basically is that the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. It the the the the the the the th. It's the th. It's the F. It's the F. It's the F. the F. the F. the F. the F. the F. the F. the F. the F. the F. the F. the F. the F. the F. the F. the F. the F. the F. the F. the F. the F. the F. the F. the F. the F. the F. the F. the F. the F. the F. the F. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the isn't it the Twitter handle? Oh, lovely, lovely stuff. Basically, is that where it came from? Twitter is their medium.

Exactly. Cardiff beat Arsenal 1-0. There was 92,000 people in attendance, including David Lloyd George and Winston Churchill. He saw it as well. So that was the first time a Bible with me is played, and I will admit this. It makes me beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful. I th. It's beautiful beautiful beautiful. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's that it's that it's th. It's that it's that it's that it's that it's that it's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's that it's that it's that it's that it's that it's that it's that. It's that. It's that. It's that. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's that. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's that th. It's that that. It's that. It's that. It's that. It's that. It's that. It's that. It's that. the first time a Bible with me is played and I will admit this, it makes me emotional every year. It's a beautiful, it's beautiful. It's the one thing that happens every year that makes me, it just makes me aware of the passage of time. It's such a beautiful song.

And I actually did look out, the other thing I always thought about, I thought it was played the Titanic went down, but when you go on to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, I, I, I, I was, I was, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, it's, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, is, is, is, is beautiful, is, is beautiful, is, is beautiful, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is................... And, th. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. thi. thi. the, thi. thi. thi. thin, thin, thin, th. to be beautiful, be beautiful, be beautiful, be beautiful, bea. their. their. their. their. their. the but when you go online, it's inconclusive. Am I saying it's inconclusive? Because I promised a blunder-free episode? Would I have... Are we going to hear the word citation needed a lot after you were. It's not Darrell's research. Everything you say. It said that before the game, this 1927, the FAA Cup, which was the greatest F8 Cup final in the history of Wales,

the pre-match buildup, it had an open air concert led by bandmaster Thomas P. Radcliffe, the pre-match was sponsored by the Daily Express. Think of this as a Super Bowl halftime show, but before the match and in 1927. That's why, that's why Cardiff fans will tell you, this was a great FAA Cup final. It's funny how that like has never caught on over here. And in fact, people are repulsed by the idea of entertainment around a game of football. It's kind of happening in the Champions League final now.

They were doing it in 1927. Yeah, although you know how the FAA cut final coverage used to start hours before the game in the 80s and 90s. Nowadays, if they were doing the same thing, it would just be tactics and shape and formations and stuff about the players. It was effectively a light-end show for hours and hours. There was the one show, but with football, like there would be celebrity games on the Wembley pitch before they would play. Yeah, yeah. Until when was the one show with but with football it there'd be celebrity games on the Wembley pitch before they would play really yeah yeah until when was this when certainly in the 1980s and in the early 90s as well because I've seen one I think it's prior to the Everton Watford FAA Cup final of 1984 you know Michael Barrymore and

Daly Thompson and other people are playing in a sort of celebrity game and then I I can't remember if it's that one one the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tea. tea. te. can't remember if it's that one, but around this time, Freddie Star wakes up the Everton team at their hotel at 9 a.m. And basically bursts into their rooms and they're all asleep. He's like, it was, they weren't talking about whether, you know, the best way to get Kevin Sheady involved or, you know, where the sort of the sort th........ the sort was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort of, it was, it was, it was, the sort the sort of, the sort the sort of, the sort of, the sort, the sort, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the, the, the the the th.. th. th. th. thi. the. the. th. th. th. the. th. the. th. thi. th. the. thi. thi. their. th. th. th. th best way to get Kevin Sheedy involved or you know, the sort of danger posed by John Barnes on the wing. It was a sort of light-end stuff until about half an hour before the game itself. But you know, like people always say, oh it used to be on, like the FAA Cup build-up will be on all day. What's to stop us doing it now? No, like I just do not believe there's the appetite for it. Maybe I'm wrong. Well because the amount of build up an analysis for a normal league game now on Monday night football for instance where they're still talking about wolves versus Brighton an hour

after the game has ended. Prior to the formation of the Premier League, an era I remember very, very well, if you'd said that, that people will be discussing normal Monday night league matches for an hour after the game had finished and for an hour and a half before it started, you'd be like, but who that's madness? Who wants that? What I find a bit sad about that L is the background of a now empty stadium as well. Yeah. That these guys are still there happy to talk whenever everyone else gone home. And there's like maybe one of the grounds the the ground the ground the ground the ground the ground the ground the ground they they they they they they they they they the ground they'd the ground they'd the ground the ground the ground the ground the ground the ground the ground the ground their their their their their their their there happy to talk whenever everyone has gone home and there's like maybe one of the groundsman's out just doing that thing where they poke the grass with a stick and that's everybody else's got home. Gary Neville was showing some defensive technique on the pitch

at unfield and a groundsman told him to get off the pitch remember this last season he got told off he got told off. God I love that. Yeah, so they record, the pre-show in the 1927 FAA final, they recorded it all, they produced a vinyl of it by Columbia Records. I don't know, is it technically a gramophone back then? I'm just being so... Was it final? Was it shalac? I don't know. It's a special, Darrell has told me it was a special disc. The method by which they're creating that disc I am not going to venture. The A side was, abide of me, the B side was the Welsh National Anthem. Oh that's great, what a combo. But albeit sung in English, a proper language. Wow. Thoughts on that L? So London my father's rather than here in Rod Van Hardee? I guess so, yeah. He guess so he says. God, it's like saying said he interviewed, it's actually a DMB interviewed. What has it become?

I now regret presenting the challenge. I think it's easy. I might retract the challenge just so you feel you can fall into it again. This is going to be the most non-committed history section you have ever heard in your life. Yeah. So Columbia actually produced a second album of the pre-match concert. They played banger after banger, this time featuring Scottish favourite, Locke Lamond, the other Welsh classic,

how's this from a pronunciation help? Ahedonos. Ahid, Hid, E-nos? All through the night? Ahid, Ahedonos? There we go, close enough. And quite that, do not mark that. That's a. It was relatively accurate. And quite remarkably, the refrain, Glory, Glory, Hallelujah, which was a song, most of closely associated with the American song, the Battle Him of the Republic. Now, the Daily Express is not the only newspaper. They sponsored that pre-match show in 1927. They were not the only newspaper to get a game of football. Can you guess from that? Oh, what do I like to see a game of football? Oh, I do like to see a lovely goal. Is it that sort of thing?

Bang. You're not a million miles away. The lyrics are. And don't you dare fret, it's a football. I think your lyrics are better than what they actually came up with. Oh I do like to see a game of football when Saturday afternoon comes around, hip parade when they break away the cheers roll around the ground. Yeah, yours is better.

Oh I do like to see some ticky tacker. Oh I do like to see the Gagin press. See where? Wingbacks bombing on. Who's going toto see the Gagin press? See where... Wingbacks bombing on, no, no, no, no. Who's gonna play number 10? There you go. Music has been a feature of sporting terracists since the 19th century, with newspaper commentary widely available from the first decade of the 20th century. Welsh crowds often sang

Sospan faq, T'enna boteospanvaach. Lelly's fanster singing. I used to sing that as a kid. Great lyrics. Yeah, they basically, the Welsh love a revivalist him. What is that song, Ell? Sospanvon, Berrierey tun, Little Sospin, Boiling on the fire. Burspun, boiling on the floor.

And the cat has scratch little Johnny. Is that really what the lyrics are. Yeah, there are saucepins or there were saucepins attached to the rugby post at Stradie Park, because of the flaillipolis because of its importance to the tin industry. Okay, ah, okay. So there is a logic to it, the their, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, the fire fire fire fire fire, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, the fire fire fire fire, it's, the fire, the fire, the fire, the fire, the fire, the fire fire fire, the fire, the fire, the fire, the fire fire fire fire fire fire, the fire, the fire, the fire, to it, to it, and fire, and fire, and fire, and fire, to it, toopolis because of its importance to the tin industry. Ah, okay. Okay, ah, okay. So there is a logic to it, it's not a lot of it is not to sing.

So those songs that they're singing in Wales are actually not a song to sing abroo' a while. And I mean, there are lots of reviolives hymns in Wales are actually like Welsh Chapel, but it's not the case. A lot of them are American songs throughout the lifeline later recorded by Elefitz-Gerroud for example or Charles Fillmore's Tell Mother I'll Be There. So actually a lot of these songs you assume are kind of chapel songs were actually imported from America. And if we're talking about big footballing songs imported from America we've got to talk about probably the finest of them all. A popular American song which was recorded in 1918, released in 1990, became a number one smash hit for Ben Selvin's novelty orchestra, a little ditty called, I'm forever blowing bubbles. I wonder when this would come in.

It was played at football grounds in the 1920s, including at the likes of Millwall. Yeah, we're Weston Fonson Swansance. But yeah, I didn't know this, but there is a case, there is a case. But by the 1940s, it had been adopted by the Premier League team in the 2024, UA for Conference League European Champions, West Ham United. Well. One of the greatest football clubs in the world, where it's still sung to this day. So it was a popular pop song as a song as opposed to anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything to anything to anything to anything to anything to anything to anything to any to any to any to any to anything that particularly relates to West Ham. There's no bubble factory or something near up to Park. Well, and again, I'm freewheeling this, but there is some evidence that there was a bubble, a soap commercial with a boy that was featured in it whose hair was said to be reminiscent of bubbles and that the West Ham fans would sing it. This is very loose history. This is not this is not this, this, this, this, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, near thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. There, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, is thi, is thi, is their, is thii, their, thiiiii's their, their, their, their their their of bubbles and that the West Ham fans would sing it. This is very loose history. This does not this, don't Google any of what I've just said.

In fact, ignore it all. There is a thought that basically it was it came from this kid who was in the bubble, soap commercials whose hair looked like bubbles. I thought that West Ham, I read that West Ham, I had to play Swans in an F-A Cup game in the 20 the 20 the 20 the 20 the 20 the 20 the 20 th.. th. th. And th. And th. And th. And th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It, th. It, th. It, th. It, th. It, th. It, th. It, th. It, th. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's, th. It's th. It's the. It's the. It's the. It's the. It's thea. It's the. It's the. It's the. It's the. It's th. It had played Swans in an FAA cup game in the 20s and that our fans were singing it and West Ham fans heard us singing it but it was a sort of pop song of the day that I think was used to advertise soap. Yeah, it was some fans said, oh that's good. And that basically they started singing it as well and then it just became synonymous with Westham in the way thir'll never walk alone was a general football song in the 70s and 80s. People forget this. Other clubs used to sing, You'll Never Walk Alone. Even though it had been synonymous with Liverpool. Other fans used to sing it as well and then that stopped and now it's just synonymous with

Liverpahmah yeah. So and like music and music and terraces. There's obviously quite an interplay between what's contemporary and the invented traditions of not so long ago. Most of the tunes, this is interesting. Most of the tunes sung by crowds in the Edwardian period on the 1920s or 30s have long been forgotten and replaced with up-to-day alternatives. And every now and again, I don't know if they still do this, but do you remember like ESPN would show like really old games, maybe from the 80s, and I've definitely watched the 1980s, the FAA Cup final featuring West Ham and Arsenal. And the songs that West Ham fans are singing there

are just alien to me. Like I don't really recognize them. When you go back to the 80s, this been a big change in the way that Terry's songs a song. For instance, something that's completely died out now is singing the score to the tune of Amazing Grace. What? One nil, one nil, one nil, one nil, one nil, one nil, one nil, that's completely died out now. And yet that used to happen. If you watch any 1980s football, as soon as someone scores, that's what happens. Going back to our chariot episode, Tom, you talked about the fact that the ancient Rome they would sing songs about the... So it's something almost innate to sport, isn't it? It just happens again and again.

And I suppose it has a unifying quality, doesn't it? To sing as one brings you together, it has that quality. But communal singing is an enormous part of all cultures isn't it? Often you see that you know that's very true. Sort of in religion people singing in churches and chapels and in other religions as well because you can remember you know the Europa Conference League what is that if not a religion, a modern religion? The European the Premier Religion. If not Europe's Premier Religion. Football Trophy. West Ammon when Europe's Premier Religion, the Europa Conference League.

Yeah. And there's one more aspect to all of this terrace chat, which is the tournament song. And it goes back to the 1960s when records were directly tied into World Cups and European Championships. Back in Chile, 1962, they came up with a first recognizable tournament song, the Elvis style El Rock the World Rock by Los Ramblers. England followed in 1966 with Lonnie Donogans, World Cup Willie and in the 70s clearly at this point there's no going back. Mexico 1970 produced several tracks which included

the West German Zikazaka and England's Big Tune back home which went to number one in Britain and number two in Ireland. What's odd isn't it? Number two in Ireland. Yeah. And the the the the the the the the the the the the the torn torn torn torn torn torn torn torn torn the torn torn t. And torn t. And torne. t. t. t. toln' toln' toln't toln' thae. England England, England, England, England, England, England, England, England, England, England, England, England, England, England, England, England, England's toyan, England, England's toyan, England's, England's, England, England's, England's, England's, England's, England's, England's tionionionionionnenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenenene. And t. It's and number two in Ireland. What's odd, isn't it? Number two in Ireland. I don't realize that. Yeah. And the torner record football, Mexico 70. By 1974, West Germany even had a track for their national side. Football is our life. Scotland got in on the act in 1977 to 78 with Alley's Tartan Army, which again is a big banger. had to wait a while of course until 2016. We wrote one for 86. Oh did you? Yeah yeah because we thought we were going to qualify and it was it is out there

and it is absolutely dog shit. Oh that's heartbreaking. It is out there. That's absolutely heartbreaking. But Manic Street Preachers had a go in 2016? You're a fan of it? It just reminds me of the best summer of my life so so yeah. And the Super Furies wrote one for 2004, we didn't qualify and then they dug that out for 2016 and I prefer that one, but I like them both. add to the burden. Let Cysto Plus take care of the burning and stinging sensation. It's a 48-hour treatment and it's Canada's number one selling remedy for cystitis symptoms. Give your body the relief it deserves.

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Two you're pushing it, third. I mean, I think you really are pushing your luck by this point. So for a time he was imprisoned at Dernstein Castle on the Danube and later moved to Trifel's Castle or Trafell's Castle. I don't think it was Trifle's Castle. It's like an Italian job. I hope he likes Spaghetti to Trifle in the Italian prisons. I hope he likes Trifle. I love Trifle again. Presently to Trifle.

Three dites. You like Trifle, do you? Well, get ready to eat it forever. That thing that used to eat at Christmas, that used to quite like, it will now be a symbol of your capture. Oh, not Trifle for breakfast again. A Trifle castle sounds like something I could see myself making that on bake-off when it comes to sort

of those rounds where you have to really express yourself. It's a castle is made of trifle. It's a reference, it's historical reference. No, that, no. You get carried there in a horse and cart like in the wooden bars, like a little mobile jail cell you come up over the hill and you just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their to their to to to to to to to to to to to to to to all all all all. to to to to to to sort sort sort all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all. to to to to to to to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to to. to. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. So. So. So, the the the the the the the the the the the the t. So. So, so. So, so. So,. But the bars would be, the bars Chris would be made of those, what are those little stick things you get in the try... No, they're like, it's like a little little things of dough, sugary dough that are in trifle. Yeah. I wish I had any of the late 20th century you've never made a trifle.

Sorry, maybe maybe I'm wrong that maybe people, young people do make trifle. I've got the word. I've got the word, sponge fingers. There you go. Sponge fingers. For me, trifle is something that was made by people who were born in the mid 20th century at the latest. But maybe I'm wrong, maybe trifles come back in and Genzi love it. I think there was a point probably in the 70s when people thought this is the only pudding people will ever eat from now off. We've nailed puddings. Little do they know.

The Victorians famously said there'll never be another dessert after this. Yeah, exactly. But now, no. So he's, he's imprisoned at Trifles or Trifel's Castle near and violence in southwestern Germany. You spent most of the next two years hoping for his freedom, hoping that his people would raise the money to pay the demanded ransom of a hundred thousand pieces of silver, which is a lot. Yeah, you know. And now this is the famous context of the Robin Hood series, the tales of bad prince John and good King Richard have made Maury and Sheriff and Nottingham, and the plunge of the English people into poverty and destitution because the ransom was between two and three times the annual income of England itself.

What? Say that one more time, sorry, the ransom was between two and three times the annual income of England itself. Blinny! That's pretty cool. I think part of me as I was locked up in Trifle Castle will be feeling quite proud about that fact. Annoying I'm locked up, but still look at the look at the price they put on my head. It's a bit like in Crystal Maze, isn't it? Where you get a team mate locked in, you've got to give up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up a the the the crystal the crystal to give up the crystal to give up a crystal to get them out. But it's a much grander version of that. It's two or three.

And I'm going to say, leave him in. Yeah, I mean, the British Treasury, obviously this is Britain not England. It's something like 133 billion pounds a year, isn't it? Something like times that by three. So to pass the time, Richard wrote poetry and music, as he had done whilst on the Crusade, he was a patron of the arts, he was a supporter of the Troubadours, and he was a compose in his own right, which I never really trust monarchs who do other things. Christ, yeah. It's a bit like soap actors who think they can do other stuff, stay in your lane. You also have to question the feedback they're getting, I, I, I, I, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how their, and how their, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how, and how. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their, their, their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. to to to their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their I got people to be particularly critical. Now at least two songs by Richard still survive, with a third known to have existed at one

time, the most known being as Prison Lament written in the spring of 1193. Yahuns, Homs Priest, I'm afraid I don't actually know how to pronounce that properly, so I apologize for our more historically minded listeners and our linguists. Now the lyrics of the song are really striking. I'm sick of cream, I'm sick of sponge fingers, no more jam. It's all that sort of stuff, is it? Please no more jam. Yeah. Why wasn't I taken to Crembrile Castle? A tyramasuit turret would have been nice. Please take me to savory courtyard. Please can I just jump in the moat of custard outside?

Exactly. Let's very quickly construct, that's a good idea. So there's custard in the moat, let's create a dream pudding castle, custard in the moat. A sponge gate. Spongegeat, sponge fingers for the lattices of the gate. What are the bricks? the teaugge. Spongue thiipunn sponge ths. Spon ths. Spon ths. Spon thipush fingerse thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thus thi thi thus thi thuuuu-fus thuice thucus. Spucus. Spucus. Spuice thuice thucus. Spucus th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thucus. Spucus. Spe thucus. thuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu. thu. thu. thu. thu. to to to thuaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. What are the bricks? We need bricks. We need something for bricks. The temptation is to go sponge again. Yeah. What about Battenburg? It's a bit of colour? Oh yeah. It would look quite nice wouldn't it? There you are. Liquorish, fragpole. You're done. Sort of. In a week, this castle is going to to sting. Yeah, in a week this castle has got to come under question. Yeah, also, I wasn't going to survive rain. Yeah, exactly.

Or attack from another armed force. That's the point you're most going to regret it. Oh. As they're wheeling in the fiery catapult. You're thinking, couldn't we make a big mistake it. So the lyrics, I'll only, for consolation, make a song. I have friends enough, but the gift of few. They will be shamed if, for want of my ransom, I'm here for two winters, a prisoner, in my trifle castle.

No, I added that bit. This, my men and my barons, English, Norman, Poyt'evin and Gascon, no full well. I never had a th th th th for the sake of wealth. I do not say this is a reproach, but I am still a prisoner. Wow. Now I well and truly know for certain that a dead man or a prisoner has no friend or family. Since I am left here for want of gold or silver, I fear for myself, but even more sort of my people, but after my death they will be dishonored if I'm held prisoner for a long time in this, the castle keep that has been made of, I took the fingers. There's some quite good writing in there to be there. It is, I know. Quite powerful things. Was it, a dead man in prison has no friend or family? I think it was something along that.

But there's some nice writing there. Now, the the tune tune the tune the tune tune the tune tune tune the tune tune thune thune itself thune itself thune itself thuuuoen itself thuoen itself thuoen itself thuoen itself thoom thoom thoom thoom thi thi. thooma. thoomorrow thoomorrow thoomorrow tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. It is thi. It is thi. It is thi. It is thi. It is thi. It is thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's the. It's the. It's the. It's thea. It's thea. It's thea. It's thea. It's thea. It's thea. It's thea. It's I've slightly but there's some nice writing there. Now the tune itself was preserved in various songbooks of the medieval troubadours. It's been republished several times. It's now at the French Library, National Library in Paris. There's a modern transcription of it. But he wasn't the only monarch of the period who wrote music. So The The the king of the noen of nivan the nivan the n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the theoeoeoeoeoom. the theoomeoeoom. the of the of the of th. th. th. the of the. the. theo-ofeo-ofeo-ofeo-ofeo-ofeo-ofeo-of of thoble thobled. thoe of thoe of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of theoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooe. the of the Navarren, what is now southern France, wrote more than 50 songs which survive, including the fabulous he named, The Lord is like a pelican, at which point his courties would have gone, yeah it's good, no it's good, it is good, I like it, yeah. Then it was Richard's great grandfather, William the 9th, Duke of Aquitaine, who was nicknamed the dozen songs survive. Some are serious, others adapt, including the song of nothing, written in the late 11th century, which has got the following lyrics.

Here's a song about absolutely nothing. It's not about me, not about anyone else, not about love, not about being young, not about anything else either. She's taken the fist. Quite like that. I wonder, I mean, it's interesting that I think about them writing music. I suppose as a monarch at that point, when you're not at war, you probably have a lot of free time, don't you? Yeah, yeah, and people telling you you're great. Exactly, just kicking around the castle, you've got to do something, I suppose. Now the Troubadour songbooks, they don't really capture the music on the street in the taverns, Oh interesting, or wherever some merry-making was taking place, even if the songs were written, you know, to entertain the well to do.

So the best example of this is it happened in May, written in 1235 AD by the French cleric troubadour, he was a monk who lived at the monastery near Arras. And although his lyrics, you tell a love story, it was a night courting a shepherdess. Classic, classic love story stuff. Yeah, of course, yeah. There are references to instruments and dances and more everyday music as well. Now he was well placed to dwell on the sort of ordinary sounds around De Monio, bird song and the changing seasons, etc. because it's not surprising that we find him. He used the Vielle which was

a sort of predecessor of the modern violin. So in the song, a Vietore, or Vietore was a fiddle player, is playing a dance tune. So there's quite a jaunty feel to the melody, so it encourages movement and dance. Another piece of this type, which scholars sort of describe as mock popular or imitation folk. They kind of contain this sort of germ of music as it was heard by ordinary people. So we're some distance from what was being practiced by royalty, but that's a thing. There was music everywhere. People did play music, you know, it wasn't just a thing for the aristocratic elite or for kings who were upset because they were held captive in a trifle castle. That is my favorite image for a long time, the idea of Richard, the Lionheart.

A sort of a king who we still talk about, you know, over thousand years later, and he's like, God, if I had more of an appetite, I could eat my way out of this. Ha ha ha ha! Partying in the praises! O-N-O-N-O-N-O-N-O-N, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, to tho'e, and to thin. And to thank them, and to thank them by taking them back in time and giving them a real historic treat. Ellis, fire up Time Machine, where you take them. It's the one day Time Machine. It's the one day Time Machine. It's the one day Time Machine.

to the sixth century. Okay, I am taking you back to the 6th century. We're all going to meet St David, Dewysant, the patron seat of Wales. Hey, Ellis, where are you taking our subscribers? I am taking you back to the site of his best known miracle, the village of Llandewybrevi. The village of Llandewy Brevi is where the miracle apparently took place because around 550 Matthew Thomas, Christine Judd and Beth Anshantho, oh I'd love to join the Senudor Brevi where we can see St David preach because his eloquence in opposing Pelaganiism which is a Christian theological position that holds that the fall did not tent human nature

that humans by divine grace of free will to achieve human perfection. I mean, that will cause his fellow monks to elect him primate of the region. And Rob Easton and Rachel Jackson said, yes. Primate of the region, sorry, we can't just skim over that. What is this? What is this? Chief Monkey? They were like, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, They were like that sounds absolutely brilliant. Let's go and see that.

Now then, a white dove which became his emblem, settled on his shoulder and Michael Mack said not that good, if I'm perfectly honest. I actually think that's, is it a miracle's reveal? He's not really turning water into wine is he? He's already turned into a monkey that was impressive admittedly. The primate thing was quite impressive, But the dove the dove the dove the dove the dove the dove the dove the dove the dove the dove, once once once once once once once once once once once once once once once the dove. the dog, the dog, the dog, the dog, the dog, the dog, the th. th. th. th. th. th. that, thi, thi, thi, th. th. that, that, th. th. th. th. that, th. that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the, the, the, the. the, the. the the. the the the the the the the the thi, thi, the the. the the. the. the the. the the. the. the the. the. the. the. the. thed into a monkey that was impressive admittedly the primate thing was quite impressive but the dove once you've done the monkey thing the dove loses a little bit of impact. And Tom Langler was like, oh my God, the ground on which St David, on which she's standing. It's rising up to form a small hill so that we can all see him preach better. thii. that we can that we can all th th th th th th th th th th th. th th th. thu. thu. thu. thu-in thu-in thu-in the thu-in their tho their their thoe. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their-in-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-in-in-in-in-in' the dove the dove the dove the dove the dove the dove the dove the dove the the dove is the the the the the the the the the dove is their their their their thoomu. Yeah is thoooomu. Yeah thooooooooooooooooooooooooooometee. thoooooooooometeen. thoooooooooooo, it's a small hill in Wales. Wales is just hills. Is this it? Are you telling me that this is the miracle? A man on the hilliest country in Europe stands on a hill.

It's not in the top million hills in Wales. Mathie Thomas and Christine Judd. If David Blaine was born a hundred years earlier, he'd be the patron saint of Wales. Matthew Thomas and Christine Judd. David Blaine was born a few hundred years earlier. He'd be the patron saint of Wales. They're like, he does this thing with his heels where he looks like he's floating. I'm genuinely gripped by this. I have absolutely no idea where this is going. This is genuinely exciting.

So they're all like, really, this is it. Matthew Thomas and Chah and are like, you've brought th, th, th, th, the, the, th, the, th, th, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, th, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he their, he their, he and he, he, he and their, the the the the, the, the the the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. And, th. And, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi.,500 years for this. So, I mean, the preaching is great. He's obviously, he's very, he's a very charismatic bloke. And then he goes on and he says, listen, I've got to rule. The monks have got to, you've got to plow yourselves without, without animals, and you can only drink water and eat only bread with salt and herbs. And you theto spend your evenings in prayer and Rob Easton Rachel Jackson, Michael Mark of Tom Langley said that sounds absolutely rubbish. Richard Nichol said, what so I'm, I've got a refrain from eating meat and drinking beer and he goes, yes, can't you see I've grown a micro hill on which the village of Flandwe we prayed, there's going to be a spa here in 1500 years time. Let let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, th me, th me, th me, th me, th me, th me, th me, th me, th me, th me, th me, th me thi, th me, th me, and th me th me th me, and th me, and the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th me, th me, th me, th me, th me, th me, th me, th me, th me, th me, thee, thee, thee, thee, the, thea, thea, thea' thea' to to to thea' to thea'a'a'a'amama' thea' thea, thea, anddewe Prev, there's going to be a spa here in 1500 years time. Let me preach. Let me talk about the good book, at which point all 10 of our subscribers

said, oh, it's just not really good enough. Can we get back in the one day time machine? And they did, and I took them home, and I said, sorry about that, I studied in school. I thought it'd be more impressive than it was and actually it wasn't. He's the pigeon sin of Wales and vegetarians. Did you, uh, and then you took them to see Snowden and he said, look, this is a proper, this is a mountain, this is what you could have had. And this know what I love hearing about the miracles that saints have apparently achieved? It's St. Patrick chased the snakes out of Ireland. That's the obvious one. If anyone knows other weird miracles, that saints have performed.

He was Welsh. I'd love that list. St. Patrick. He was born in Wales. I'm going to have to Google him now, but I think he was born in Wales. That's one in the eye not to be the patron saint of Wales. To be the patron saint of somewhere else. Yeah, I'm sure he was born in Wales. I know the life.

Let's have a look at the Wikipedia page. Oh, dear. No. His birthplace is not known with any certainty. certainty some traditions placed in what is now England when identifying it as Cumbria. But oh another others are advancing claims for Glamorgan possibly the village of Banwen in the Upper Delis Valley there was a rave in Banw there was a rave in Banwere during lockdown and it was on the news and there were these there was this great couple who were like oh we saw these rivers sleeping in the cars we were bringing them cups of tea they they were they were lovely the their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. They were their. They were their. They were their. They were their. They were their. They were their. their. They were their. their. their. their. There were. There were. There were. There were. There were. There were. There. There were. There. There. There. There. There. There. I. There. There. There. There. There. I. I. There. I. I.. There. There. There.. There.. There.. There.. There. There.. There. There.. There. There. There. There. There. There. There. There. There. There. There. There. There. There. There. There. There. There. There. There. There. There. There. There were. There were. There were. There were. There were the the the the the the the the the t. the the the the the the the the the the the there... them cups of tea, they were lovely people. Did the raver emerge from the ground? Was it a miracle? When would be a useful time for that to be your superpower, your sort of skill to create a little

hill? I suppose if you're at the back of a concert and you got a really bad view and you say to your friends, watch this and then you all rise up marginally. St David he could buy the cheapest tickets for an arena show. But David was stood right at the back we won't see anything, watch this. That's right. Set the scene, okay pyramid stage, Glastonbury, everyone else is camping out early to get a good view of the Rolling Stones. St David has gone to watch Mark Thomas at the comedy. And th.. And th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, the, the, thi, thi, the thi, the thi, the the the thee, the the the the thee, the the thee, th, th, th, he th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the the the the th, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thee, and thee, and thi, and thi, thi, thi, the, the the thea, thea' thean, thean, thean, thean, thea' thea, thea, th the Rolling Stones. St Diva has gone to watch Mark Thomas at the comedy stage and he's like, don't worry about it, it's absolutely fine. Going to a bar near the Pyramid stage still, it's like, they're on in three minutes and he's still not panicking.

Ell and John is on in three minutes, I would gladly watch a man create a microhill. I think that's generally quite impressive. I think that's a good question, though, Skull. What is A, the weirdest miracle that a saint has performed? Or be the worst? The worst. What is the most pointless, pointless, small miracle any of our listeners know of. Do get in contact on a show. Send it in the usual way because we'll read those out for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. the the the the the the the the to to to to the to to to to to be. to be to be to be to the their. to be to be, to be, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I.'ll read those out for sure. Yeah. Hello at O'Watertime.com. to come. Right, that's it for this week. Don't forget if you want even more bonus content, you can subscribe to O'Water Time and maybe get your name featured in a lovely little historic story like we've just heard there. You'll now get two bonus episodes a month, add free, all those wonderful things to,

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