Oh What A Time... - #65 Pick n Mix 2 (Part 2)

Episode Date: September 16, 2024

This is Part 2! For Part 1, check the feed from yesterday! We’re back and so is our much loved ‘Pick n Mix’ format in which we pick three random subjects to discuss and so this week for you we have.. The biggest hole ever built! How baby names have evolved down the years! And when exactly did having a sun tan become popular?! And this week we learned that one of these two things are true: 1) Every dark urban myth that went around Britain did actually REALLY HAPPEN in 90s Carmarthen and Elis simply didn’t have enough time on google to find the evidence, or; 2) Elis is the most gullible podcaster in Britain. If you have anything to contribute to this investigation, please do get in touch: [e-mail] If you fancy a bunch of OWAT content you’ve never heard before, why not treat yourself and become an Oh What A Time: FULL TIMER? In exchange for your £4.99 per month to support the show, you'll get: - two bonus episodes every month! - ad-free listening - episodes a week ahead of everyone else - And first dibs on any live show tickets Subscriptions are available via AnotherSlice, Apple and Spotify. For all the links head to: ohwhatatime.com You can also follow us on:  X (formerly Twitter) at @ohwhatatimepod And Instagram at @ohwhatatimepod Aaannnd if you like it, why not drop us a review in your podcast app of choice? Thank you to Dan Evans for the artwork (idrawforfood.co.uk). Chris, Elis and Tom x Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Cysto Plus and Logo are registered trademarks owned by Norwell Consumer Health Care Inc. Hello and welcome back to part two of Pick and Mix. Let's get on with it. ["Pick and Mix"] All right, so I'm going to tell you all about how babies names have changed throughout the years. The top two girls names in the UK at the moment are Olivia and Amelia, top two boys names in the UK, Mohammed and Noah.

But of course, there are many options these days. You don't need to go for the same thing as everyone else. There's plenty of apples, stars, rivers, blue ends, you name it. There's unique names to be had. Were you tempted, boys? Will Barron Where are the Grahams? Where are the Collins? Keith Will Barron No more Collins. My dad's called Keith. Will Barron But I think with those names, Keith, Colin, Tony, you only grow into those when you're 48. But if you've ever heard someone telling a toddler called Colin to calm down, it never feels

right, is it, in a supermarket? Put that down Colin! No, Colin! Tony! It's not okay until you're about 50. It is weird to look at a baby and go, this baby is called Keith. But it happens. We've seen it. I just can't, it does, can't wrap my head around it. It did happen to my, it happened to my dad. We've all met Keiths. We've all met Keiths.

Do you know, my dad, my dad's called Keith and he hasn't got a middle name because my grandparents couldn't think of one. Yeah. Well, when you've come up with something as good as Keith, how can you possibly? My friend Huw, his parents said, we gave you the name Huw because we were very worried about you being bullied at school. We thought we'll give him a name that doesn't rhyme with anything. It's completely normal. It's so straight down the line. That is one thing that the cruel kids can't get you for. I give you Houston, Texas and Hooperty Poooperty. Hooperty Poooperty? I always think it's a bit harsh to look at the baby and go, that kid's going to get

bullied. We've got to give him quite a... No, they harsh to look at the baby and go, that kid's going to get bullied. We've got to give him quite a day one of holding a little baby, going, we've got to, this look at that kid. No, no, they didn't look at the baby and were like, whoa. No, no, they were like, this, you know, we remember our school days, we know what kids are like, we've got to play straight back with this. But yeah, Houston, Texas, Huberty Puberty. Huberty Puberty is very funny. Incredible.

Well, there are some unique names in popular culture, especially in the UK. The one I love when I was thinking about unique names, the one my mind immediately went to was what Jacob Rees-Mogg called his sixth child. Do you know this? No. No? Sixtus. Okay. Thoughts? Sixtus. Okay.

Thoughts? Oh dear. What's that? Does it seem to do with Latin or something? I don't know. Is Sixtus actually Latin for six? I don't know. It's got to be, isn't it?

I don't care. Well, that's not Sixtus' fault, is it? Or is it named after Pope Sixtus? Poor sod. Yeah, poor sod. But there's plenty of other unique names to be had. Did you know that through the course of history, some kids have been called Luke Skywalker, Obi-Wan, Ben

Kenobi, Gandalf, Aragorn? Gandalf? What's your baby called? If one of you had a baby and you showed me your baby and said it's called Gandalf, I would never stop laughing. You can't do that. That's not fair. Now, this might be one for Corrections Corner, but I think the Académie Française in France has a list of acceptable names. And I don't think you can deviate from that list. I think. Because in the UK there is no such list. And when we took our kids to register their names, I remember having this discussion twice with some of the oddest, crazier names that that registrar had encountered. And I remember an episode of, I was watching this morning when I was

at school, it must have been some holidays or something, and there was a guy and he wanted to call his daughter Guns N' Roses, because he liked Guns N' Roses, and then he thought, oh no, I'll just call her Oxford United instead, because I support Oxford United. And people are ringing in saying, please don't do this mate. But surely you just tear it up after like a week because it's so impractical. But I think, you know, I was given a list of names that this registrar was like, I begged them not to do it, but there was nothing I could do and they had their hearts set on it. And one guy he'd given it, he wanted to call his son something awful. And she said,

I'm not doing that. And he went, all right, then I'll go to a different registrar then. And she was like, okay, fine. Yeah. Will Barron Well, well, well. Jason Vale Yeah. There was a, have you ever read Freakonomics? Will Barron Yes, I have. Yeah. Jason Vale Wasn't there a chapter in that about names? Now, I'm just saying, just suddenly remembering this. And there was like a woman in America had twins

and called one winner and one loser. Will Barron Oh my God. What? I think I'm again emailing if I've got that right. It's been at least a decade since I read that book. Yes, children have been named in the UK Frodo, Elrond, Bilbo, Rivendell. Enron?

Rivendell. I don't know. It was a great name. It was a great name for quite a while. And then suddenly overnight, it lost a lot of its shine. Oh dear. Yeah, so basically what this tells us is people for many a year have given a child's name

to commemorate something about the world they love. And also many people have named their children after sports stars. For example, I've got a nephew called Bobby named after... Bobby Gould. Bobby Bore. My son is called Charlie Custard Crane. And I stand by it. It's a lovely name. It's alliterative. We both like custard. It makes you seem warm and approachable. Is this the point to reference the fact that this has come up a lot? People have been tagging

us on social media because someone has been revealed recently as having drunk a lot of custard. Wasn't it Martin Tyler, the sports commentator? I think he might have taken custard into the gantry before a Super Sunday game. People saying that Crane was there before Tyler. I've got it here. This is Dave Mitchell who has pointed out the fact that for any aspirational football commentators the legendary Martin Tyler was in attendance at Brentford on Saturday and took a cup of custard up to the gantry.

Clearly the key to longevity and greatness in the industry. See, there you go. I'm not alone. Me and Martin Tyler. Let's have a custard pop-up. You and Martin Tyler, brand ambassadors. Custard Club. If you want to join Custard Club. First rule of Custard Club, just drink custard all the time. It's quite simple actually. And heat it for at least two minutes before eating it because it's good. This has just reminded me that someone sent me a magazine cover and the headline was Vanessa Felt's friends fear she's drinking custard again. Fair enough. There's nothing to be feared. It's perfectly normal.

This is another brand ambassador for our custard ambitions. It's me, Vanessa Felt and Martin Tyler in Custard Club so far. I wouldn't... It's starting to gain momentum. You can't deny that there's now three members. This is becoming something now. And two of those members are very famous. And then me. And one is Vanessa Felt. Well actually Tom, you named your sons Charlie George, but you don't even support our stuff.

Was that an accident? No, my father was called George. That's where that came from. Your father was Charlie George. Wow. No, my dad was called George. And we like the... Okay, yeah, sorry.

Okay, sorry. Pathetic bit of business from me. Yeah, so this habit of hero worship through offspring, it's encountered sports stars, as we've mentioned, fictional characters. It's gone on for years and years. Around the time of the First World War, lots of kids were named after the music hall star Harry Lauder. And then we've also had kids named Napoleon, Napoleon Bonaparte, Wolf Tone, the latter after the Irish freedom fighter Theobald Wolf.

Will Barron Well you've got Jesus is, or Jesus is quite common in Catholic countries and South American parts of Southern Europe. Which just sounds so weird to British sensibilities. I remember Real Madrid's chairman was called Jesus Guild. Remember him in the sort of 90s? I remember the first time reading an article about him, I was like, what? He's called Jesus? Because it appears arrogant, even though you don't choose your own name. Back in the 1830s, there was obviously, at that time there was a huge movement towards the People's Charter with people calling for reforms to make the political system more democratic.

And one way they showed their support was obviously petitions calling for democracy, they asked for the right to vote, better parliamentary representation, they were reading chartist newspapers, attending chartist meetings, but there was a huge trend in the 1830s towards naming your kids after chartist leaders. So around the 1830s and 1840s, you get a lot of Fergus O'Connor's, Henry Hunt's, John Frost's, Zepahiah Williams, etc, etc. Also, if you go through the years in the UK as well, you've had a lot of people named after famous ministers and politicians. So you get a lot of Gladstones and Disraelis. You've had a lot of David Lloyd George's, Clement Attlee's, Ramsay McDonald's, and there was even a few babies called Tony Blair.

Really? Really? My mother taught in a secondary school in Liverpool in the 70s and she said almost all the boys were called either John or Paul because their mums had been the right age for Beatlemania. Ellis James, you'll like this joke. There's a lot of babies called Boris Johnson because people often name their children after the father, don't they? You having that? Yeah.

Because he's had a lot of children. One of the nation's finest political satirists. Shall I try that one more time? I'm just saying this. The point was I could see it coming from a mile off. But I think that's the joy of it. Like a beautiful sunrise cresting over the top of a hill. Yeah, you can just relax.

It's coming at you. Just kick back it. Just let it, let the waters lap at your feet. Just enjoy it. Life can't all be complication. It's like really relaxing jazz. So I'll give it one more go. I was just saying there's a lot of babies called Boris Johnson because people often call their kids after their father.

Yeah. There's something not quite right about it. And it's very… having worked with you, so many of your jokes land, it's actually quite weird when one doesn't. I would say the constituent parts are there, they just haven't been honed to what it should be. But it's got the bricks, it's got the bricks, they're just not stacked correctly. I think you'd have to… Boris Johnson would have to come at the end, wouldn't it? Yeah. I think you'd have to just forget that whole thing. No, no, no, no. We'll rescue this.

Yeah, have you had your cup of custard yet? Is that what's going wrong? Yes, that is. Keep going, keep going. Yes, that is cup of energy custard. It's 2pm energy custard. I was kicked in. Sometimes it'll be writing gags and we'll be saying, this is custardless.

I can tell. It's lacking power. It's like in Joshua De, this is custardless. It can tell. It's lacking... Josh Widdicombe saying another custardless script from Tom Crane. No, not enough. Oh dear. Yeah, so loads of political leaders and then maybe, you know, I don't have any research this,

but is there going to be any Liz Trusses? You'd imagine maybe not. Do you reckon she's done for Elizabeth and Liz? Worryingly what Rishi Sunak might have done for the Adidas Samba. Taken a once great institution. And destroyed it. In the United States, presidents have been popular choices as baby names for many, many years. And then in the UK, we've had monarchs as well. So you can go through different eras and see massive spikes in the names like George, Charles, Victoria, Edward, Elizabeth, etc. And also you can tell who's popular overseas. If you look at UK names through the ages,

you've seen a spike around the time of Tolstoy. You see a lot of babies called Tolstoy or Leo Tolstoy and equally plenty of Victor Hugo's and even a few Mark Twain's. Wow. Italian revolutionaries also have been named after here in the UK. Giuseppe Manzini, Giuseppe Garibaldi, Abraham Lincoln has enjoyed a lasting favour. There's still plenty of Abraham Lincoln's being named now and also spikes in popularity over time, over the last century for Teddy Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson. Wow. There's something really funny about the fact that people name their child after

both names of the person they respect. So full. Like, okay, so I'm into Winston Churchill. You think it would be enough to just call your child Winston and then whatever other names, rather than just going, he's literally called Winston Churchill. Winston Churchill. Well, I really did believe in the New Labour Project. So my three devil son, we're naming him Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Alastair Campbell, Peter Mandelson and... Davis. Around the time of the Bolshevik Revolution, lots of children were named after Lenin and Stalin.

But, however, other names of Soviet leaders have not been embraced. So you don't see a lot of Khrushchev's and Brezhnev's down the ages. He was Leonid Brezhnev. They must be Leonid, I reckon that was. You'd probably get Leonids. Yeah. No, no Brezhnev's, but you would get Stalin and Lenin's being dished out, but not Brezhnev's. Karl Marx was also popular and I'll end on this note, of course, there were a few baddies

through history who at the time were idolised. So you do have a tiny minority of babies in the 1920s and 1930s named Hitler and Mussolini. Yeah, I mean, he really must... There can't be many adults in Germany now, can there? Yeah, I've seen a chart of the drop off of that name and quite rightly I think he's ruined it. I thought that Hitler was one of those things that you weren't allowed – I'm sure it's popped up on the newspapers where people have tried to do it and then quite rightly they

haven't been allowed to. I can't imagine we'd be allowed to do that. No. And rightly so, obviously. And good. May I say it? Yes. For the best.

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It's about the invention of the suntan itself and people's obsession with it, I think is probably the right way to put it. Can I take a guess? Can I take a guess initially who invented the suntan? We all heard this fact. Was it not Coco Chanel? Well we will find out. We will find out in this.

So El, I've known you for about 20 years and I don't think I've ever seen you look anything other than completely utterly white. Can you see my watch strap? Look at that. The skin's slightly red either side. Oh, there is a bit of a demarcation. But you see, that is how pale I am naturally. Because I've been wearing a t-shirt or something. That watch strap is actually quite pronounced. Because I never ever go topless, my shoulders are a sort of luminous white.

Yeah. I remember seeing your legs once in shorts and thinking your legs were bright. I remember that. That was the word that I felt. And then people say, El, that you light up a room. They're talking about your bare legs. Is it true that if Izzy's reading a book in bed at night and the lights are off, she just needs to pull back the doormat through your legs and then she can read the book quite happily? Yeah, yeah. It's like in Pulp Fiction. And the thing with, because I cycle everywhere, by the end of the summer my face is a different colour and I always look way better.

Okay. And I'm too scared to have a spray tan, because I fear everyone would laugh at me. But if I did have a spray tan, I would look so much more attractive. I want it on record. I would love it if I found out. Well, this is what, my bubbit is like, just do it, man.

I do it all the time, but I'm too, I've been too, too long. He was a bodybuilder, Alice, in the past. He was the colour of treacle. I've seen the photos of Bubbins when he was in his bodybuilding sort of best. Have you ever had a spray tan Chris? I'd be amazed if you say no. No I haven't. I've been on a sunbed.

Have you? Yeah, like once. I found it a bit weird. Do you tan Chris before we go into this? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I tan. Do you really? I tan really well. My daughter tans really well and my wife and my son are pale as hell. Yeah, my daughter's got red hair. Translution skin always.

Yes, we've got to be very careful with her. You can see their whole nervous system. Your son and your wife and you, Al, you would have all fitted in very well in the early 20th century, okay? So I'll take you back to then. Because in the early 20th century, incredibly pale skin was seen as really desirable. Yes. My mother remembers this because my mum in the 60s used to sunbathe with vegetable oil instead of sun to try and burn insanely. My father had quite dark skin. I inherited my skin tone from my mum. So it's absolute insanity what she was doing. But they were all doing it. It was her grandmother who'd been born on a farm and had been a

farmer all her life. She was actually quite embarrassed by her ruddy skin and would always do her best to try and stay out of the sun. Because yeah, she grew up at a time when it was very unfashionable. But obviously she worked outside. Will Barron That's so interesting. I've never heard that vegetable oil thing. That's just absolutely. 60s was mad. Because before the 20s, before the 1920s, basically being suntanned, as I'm sure you probably know this already, but basically it suggested that you had a life where you were out working in the open air. That was the thing. So it had a sort of like a social class wealth connotation attached to it. So the British press in 1920 described it as this. They said,

a tan gives someone the unmistakable stamp of one used to the outdoors. Weather-beaten is the phrase they've said. So there really was a shame almost attached to having tan skin because it suggests that you were doing menial work, you're working out on the land or what it happens to be. So people would do anything they could to stay as pale as possible. So home remedies were really popular then for re-whitening tan skin. So examples, people used to apply buttermilk to their body every day to try and make their skin paler. Other people use lemon juice to try and stop the effects of being out in the sun. The press did warn against that. This is what the press quoted at the time. They said, do not use lemon juice for it often allows the juice to touch the delicate new skin underneath,

causing exquisite pain. But people were still doing it. They do whatever they could use around the house to try and keep themselves pale. Thoughts on that? As someone who is pale, right, 1998 and 1999, I worked behind the bar of the Members Bar, the Members Tent, at the Royal Welsh Agricultural Show in Bilth Wells, which I think is the biggest agricultural show in Europe, or something ridiculous. Anyway, thousands of farmers, all very suntanned,

because they worked outdoors. I obviously do my A-level A levels and very, very pale. Have you ever had thousands of people going, hey, Caspar, Caspar, hey, Caspar, Caspar the Ghost, Caspar, Caspar the Ghost by the bar, Caspar the Ghost, Pipe please, Caspar the Ghost. Have you ever had that for 12 hours a day for four days? It's good stuff, to be fair.

Oh, Caspar, Caspar! There he is, Caspar! Have you seen Caspar by the back, Caspar? Oh, what are you saying every time you're called Caspar? Are you laughing every time? What are you doing? I laughed the first hour of the Monday shift. And then I realised it wasn't going to end. And then I was just like, what do you want me?

No problem. Four pints of cider, please, Caspar. No problem. That'll be £8.10 please. You want any change, Caspar? Yes, of course I've got change. It's a bar. And this hasn't led to you desperately trying to get a tan. You'd assume that would mean you would spend every waking hour out on the veranda. Hit the sunbeds on your lunch break. Exactly.

Like a real man. I got, cause farmers are all exclusively clinically tight. I did that job and after four days I had a two pound tip. That was the biggest tip, that was the tip I got. Two quid on the last day from an English farmer as well. And he went, there you go Casper. I went, thank you. Keeping that.

I'd let someone call me Casper if they're going to give me two quid though. That sort of balances it out. I think that's about the correct exchange rate. Two quid a pop. So, to give you an idea of the sort of snobbery around having a tan, and it was proper snobbery back then. This is what the Daily Mirror wrote in 1921. Sun-bleached hair, sun-tanned skin and freckles may look attractive against a setting of green sea and yellow sand, but back in London, their charm diminishes. So sort of classist. It's so judgmental. It's so snobby. My brother Michael, he has freckles and he remembers being on the school bus when he was about 10 and an old lady

coming up to him and saying, you want to get a bar of soap, you can scrub those off. He still remembers that as a thing. There's always this idea that generations prior had this idea still then that he was older than me, but that would have been the sort of the 70s, 80s, that the idea of freckles or being tanned was in some way a bad thing. However, and this is what's really interesting, in the summer of 1923, this all suddenly changes, okay? And within just a few months, tanning basically becomes cool. And would you like to guess what happened? Chris, let me point to you. I think you should guess because you're going to get it right. We've already heard it. What do you think

happened? Did Coco Chanel go on a cruise or something like that? There you go. That's right. That summer in 1923, the fashion designer Coco Chanel go on a cruise or something like that? There you go. That's right. That summer in 1923, the fashion designer Coco Chanel, she steps off her yacht in Cannes. She's tan from head to toe, fully bronzed. She gained this from sunbathing on a cruise of the Mediterranean and then look was like an overnight sensation.

Suddenly everyone's like, this is a really healthy, cool look. And it also coincided with, and this is what's crucial about it, the first major tourist season on the French Riviera. It's the same summer. So 1923, that is when I became unattractive. Bit of a curse, isn't it? Oh God. If you'd been around in 1922, Ellis, the action you'd be getting. 70 odd years too late. Gutted. Exactly. So this coincided with the first major

tour of season on the French Riviera. It was traditionally shut up during the summer months, but that same year, basically anyone who was anyone was drawn to the beaches from – here's the names of the people who were seen there that year, Ernest Hemingway, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Dorothy Parker, Pablo Picasso, all these sort of leading lights of fashion and art were seen there that summer. Coco Chanel returning was like this ultimate star. And then suddenly, tans became aspirational, like literally over one summer. It's kind of really crazy. She didn't invent the sun tan per se, but she hugely popularized it that one summer, especially for women. It was already starting to be seen as slightly attractive for men, but over that one summer, it completely changed the way that women saw the sun tan. Women basically now wanted to have that look. And very soon, companies were looking to capitalize

on this trend. So in 1927, just a few years later, the French fashion designer Jean Partout made something called Huit de Chardis, which is the first ever mass produced suntan oil. And then soon everyone was at it. By the 30s, so there were adverts everywhere for oils, lotions, bronze skin, all of these things saying you can get a tan without sunburn. Of course, your mum would have no interest in that as she's reaching for the olive oil and the cooking oil going out to the garden. Here's one advert. It says, the good companion of the sun worshipper is a bottle of suntan oil where she generously anoints all exposed parts of her skin before she lies in the sun, bronze at its best.

And also popular were sun-tanned coloured stockings. So people started wearing sun-tanned coloured stockings. Maybe that's the answer for you, Al, for your little pasty legs pair of sun-tanned stockings. I mean, I need to do something. Cuss back, cuss back, friendly boy, I'll spend the bar, cuss back. And by the 1930s, even tourist destinations in Britain were trying to get in on the act. So they tried to steal some of the French Riviera's tourist trade here by installing municipal sunbathing facilities across Britain. Here's some examples. In 1931, Blackpool claimed to have a sunbathing platform that was the last word in such structures.

That's how he described it. Lester's chief medical officer at that same time proclaimed the virtues of sunbathing platform that was the last word in such structures. That's how I described it. Lester's chief medical officer at that same time proclaimed the virtues of sunbathing, saying that all that is necessary is that the place selected for the worship of the sun should be screened off from public gaze. Devotees can put on bathing costumes under their ordinary clothing before they leave for home. So all they need to do is to slip off their sun obstructive clothing and bask in the sun. So people would go to work with the sunbathing stuff underneath, they'd do their day, and then in their lunch breaks, any breaks, they'd go out and they'd lie back in their sun and they'd return to work. Western Supermare added its own sunbathing platform by 1933. The next year it had six of these,

and the Lido and Ponte Prive saw the provision of separate men's and women's sunbathing platforms. So it's crazy when you think about that. It was really such a thing that people objected against. They didn't want to be seen as tanned. And over this very short period, because of this one person stepping off her yacht, a whole attitude to the summer and the way people wanted to look, it completely shifted. Will Barron But it's like baggy clothes have come back in.

Will Barron Mustaches. Will Barron And tashes. Will Barron Absolutely. Will have come back in. Mustaches. And tashes. Absolutely. Mallets. And ironically. Inconceivable ten years ago. I mean a few people did on stag do's and stuff. It was a charity month if you grew a mustache. You were doing it for charity.

Like I bought a pair of fashionable baggy trousers the other day at my local men's salon and I looked like MC Hammer. I don't think you're the right shape for those shirts. This was proven in 1999, the first time they were in. I got it wrong then, I'm getting it wrong now. But I'm like Coco Chanel, I've got to be at the forefront of what's fashionable. It's what people expect of you. Apart from my skin tone, which is very 1920s. To finish, what other industry do you think all of this had a huge impact on? What industry did this completely revolutionise as well?

This is quite interesting. Skincare, generally? Close. That is one of them. Yeah, skincare, yes. It's in that sort of area. Think about holidays. Think about what you need from them. Oh, travel agents.

No, swimwear companies. So this is the burst in these. So basically all of a sudden the old Edwardian costumes, which covered most of the body, went out and people started to wear less and less. I think we can agree there are a few worse looks in the Edwardian swimming costume. I don't mind it. You like it? In France, right? In the swimming pool. We didn't go in in the end. We didn't have time. The men were made to wear speedos. They weren't allowed to wear swimming shorts.

And they were selling speedos in a vending machine. Why is that? Really? So you had to wear skimpy pants? Yeah, at this one place we visited on our honeymoon. You could swim in the lake and you would love to wear shorts in it. But if you wanted to go into the pool, you had to wear speedos and they had speedos in a vending machine. Will Barron I would say, I think this isn't the pool for me. Will Barron Casper

Will Barron And this was particularly true of women's costumes. Basically the emphasis is now on maximising exposures of the sun. So low backs, untieable straps, body shaping, all these things that became the rage. And then in the thirties, two-piece costumes came in. The modern bikini came in from 1946. And it's all really because of this one person and this one summer and our attitudes shifting and it still remains today. Will Barron Well, I'll get of tannin if you get one. Should we go together? Hold hands.

What sort of level of tannin are you going for? Oh, I mean, it would have to be... Let's say, compared to a cup of tea, what's the colour you'll go for? If it was a cup of tea, what's the colour you'd go for? The type that you get served a lot in an old people's home. So nothing, nothing too extreme. Half milk.

I've got to ramp it up. Half milk initially. Yeah. And then we'll see where we end up from there. Anyway, that's it from us. We'll be back with you next week. And Tom, there are so many benefits to becoming an Oh What A Time Full Timer aren't there? There are, you get

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