On Purpose with Jay Shetty - Arianna Huffington: ON Why Sleep Is Crucial To Success

Episode Date: May 20, 2019

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people to connect with their own inner wisdom. And the best ideas come from that. Hey everyone, thank you so much for coming back to on purpose, the number one health podcast in the world. I'm so grateful that all of you are taking out time to invest in your health and wellbeing. You could be anywhere in the world right now, but you're either listening to this or watching this, whether you're walking your dog, you're commuting to or from work, or

maybe you're at work, maybe you're taking a break, or maybe you're at the gym, wherever you are. Thank you. Thank you so much for investing in your education over entertainment, but we're going to make this really fun too. And today's guest is someone I'm so grateful and honored to be sitting next to. She's someone who needs no introduction. She's the founder of the Huffington Post. She's the CEO and founder of Drive Global and one of the most influential people in the media and world today. Her name is Ariana Huffington. Ariana, thank you so much for doing this, honestly.

Thank you, Jay. I'm so happy to be here with you. Really. I've been looking forward with it all week. I'm so grateful, honestly, because we're sitting inside drive global right now in New York. These are your brand new offices. They're absolutely beautiful. Thank you. Your team is amazing as always. And you've opened this up as our home and it made us feel so comfortable. Anytime. But so today I've got so many things I want to dive into. I feel that you're the thought leader

the world really needs today. And I'm so grateful that you've taken it upon yourself to make your mission to help people thrive all across the world. And I want to go back to your book that you called Thrive. It's a book that I believed when I read it. I just felt I was like, I can't believe someone's actually put this all into words. It was, I connected so deeply with it.

And my big question, which I want to start off with, is today, how can our listeners redefine success for themselves? What does it mean to go through that process that you so beautifully outline? Because today we're bombarded by so many definitions of success. How did you start that process and how can our listeners do that? Well, thank you for starting with the most important question. Who chose the question? I try to address, we thrive the book and that we are working on, we is the question I try to address

with Thrive the Book and that we are working on with Thrive the Company. And basically, you know, you and I love reading philosophy whether it's the Greeks, the Vedas, the stoic philosophers, and the bottom line is that what is the good life? Is it constant priority for philosophers, trying to define the good life? Is it constant priority for philosophers, trying to define the good life? What happened in our modern culture

is that we shrunk down the definition of the good life to success. And we shrunk the definition of success down to two metrics, money, and status slash power. And that's like trying to sit on a two-legged stool, sooner or later you fall off. So what we're trying to teach here at Thrive and what I'd love everybody listening and watching to take home is to redefine success, to include a third metric, nothing wrong with the first two. But the third is what completes our purpose and it includes well-being, you know, prioritizing our health and well-being.

Wisdom, I love your mission of making wisdom viral. Wander, you know, a sense of wonder about the universe, the mystery of life, and giving, giving back, that's something that you, at Chronicles, so often, in your work. So for me, that's what's a complete life. And so, anytime you integrate any of these into your daily life, you're getting closer to a fuller definition of the good life. Yeah, I love that. I absolutely love that.

And I think that's so clear. And it's such a great direction for people because we can almost look at them and be like, okay, where am I struggling? Yes. Right, so we can look at them and say, okay, which leg of that stool is missing in my life? And it becomes a focus area.

Now, when I do see that, though, sometimes some people may think, well, that's a lot of things to juggle. And maybe I'm working really hard and I'm really ambitious. And that means I'm sacrificing sleep and my health is falling apart. How have you found or what are your beliefs around real balance in the striving for making an impact, in the striving for wanting to make a

difference, how do we also take care of all of those juggling balls? It feels like there's a lot. There is a lot and I think the only way is through micro steps. At Th hard, we just need to make sure we take one step at a time. So whatever it is you want to focus on, let's say you want to focus on improving your sleep because you have actually read the science and the data and you know that when you improve your sleep, you actually improve your performance. So even if you didn't care about your health and you just care about your performance,

just look at elite athletes. There's no way Tom Brady would go to a super ball, sleep deprived. Because he knows if he wants to speak performance, he needs to get enough sleep, eat, write, have recovery time, as well as training time. So that's really what I've forgotten. So let me give you one of my favorite sleep microsteps. We have almost 700, but I love the fact that you are focusing on making a conversation actionable for people. So my favorite micro step is pick a time at the end of your day that you actually declare the end of your working day, because the truth is that there is no end to our working day.

The truth is that we could all spend the whole night clearing our inboxes, so catching up with work in our always-on-world. So you have to declare an arbitrary end. And because human beings learn through ritual, you mark that end by turning off your phone and gently escorting it out of your bedroom. I love that. It's small but key. You know, not sleeping with your phone. Are you sleeping with your phone? No, I didn't sleep with my phone. Amazing. It's absolutely essential because if you sleep with your phone, if you wake up in the middle of the night and you can't go right back to sleep, you are going to be tempted to pick

it up and scroll through Instagram or answer some text and it's much harder to go to sleep and have a deep, really, recharging sleep. Absolutely. Yeah. When I first trained myself to do that, I used to lock all my devices in my car outside. So I still literally go and put my phone, my laptop, everything because I wanted to train myself out of the habit and I remember getting a real alarm clock at that time so that I could still wake up if you need an alarm clock.

And now I've been able to train myself to wake up after eight and a half hours of sleep a day. So no matter what time I go to sleep, usually it's the same time. I always sleep eight and a half hours and I don't need an alarm together. So I get up naturally, my body wakes me up and that's been such a beautiful conditioning.

And it's taken me time, but it really helps because now you're no longer conditioned to wake up to anything. Can wake up a little bit. Exactly. I think this is, this is amazing. What you just said. At first, it may be hard because we're breaking addictions. But then the reward of how we feel is so enormous. I mean, for me now, it's like the reward of feeling fully recharged. It's so great. I don't really like myself when I'm sleep deprived. I mean, I'm more reactive, I'm more emotional, I'm less empathetic, I'm less creative. I don't really want to be around me. So it's actually something that then becomes a magnet to continue doing that. Are there any other habits that you've had to rewire in your life,

anything that you saw as a trigger and you started building steps, micro steps, I love that to building, whether or not. Yes, I used to be one of the people who would think, come January 1st, I'm going to start working out for it now every day. And then by February 1st, I would drop it. So instead I put a stationary bike in my bedroom. And now every morning I do a 30 minutes on my bike. And I can be on my email because it's okay, you know, it's a stationary bike so I feel productive and You know when I want to go harder, I'll just do it without going on my email, but

Yeah, I made it super simple and now honestly, I just like get out of bed and I get on my bike It's become like second nature. It's no longer an issue, because as you know, because you're a student of behavioral science, discipline is not going to cut it. We need to change our environment and make it super easy to make these microsteps. And having the bike right there, my tennis shoes right there Makes it much easier.

Yeah, absolutely. You're breaking that chain in your mind to avoid that. I had one client that I used to coach, a very successful executive, and she loved doing yoga, but she could never make it. So we made sure that she had her yoga mat next to her bed. So she could literally roll off her bed

and onto her yoga mat. And it would just be like a reminder that it was right there. She didn't have to go to a gym, or she didn't have to go somewhere else. She could do yoga right next to her bed. If that's what it meant, just something to break the chain. Yeah, I love that. That's great. I'm sure you hear this all the time with Thrive Global yourself. You're working with athletes, celebrities, executives, directors. You're working with the busiest people on the planet. Right? That's what you do every day. And you know that. And you you are working with the busiest people on the planet, right? That's what you do every day and you know that and you you are one of the busiest people on the planet too.

And I'm sure you get people asking you, I ran, I'm so fearful of falling behind. Yes. I'm so scared that someone important will send me a message and I'll miss it. Or something will happen in the news and I didn't see the notification. How are you advising people who have that fear or insecurity that they may fall behind? So that's where changing beliefs is key. So in all our workshops with corporations, we start with changing beliefs. Because the beliefs we have are really like the automatic pilot on a ship, you know, and what we tell ourselves we're going to do is like the captain steering the ship in one or another.

But if the automatic pilot is set in a particular direction, that's where the ship is going to go. So we start by changing beliefs because they believe that in order to succeed, you have to burn out this incredibly entrenched in our culture. It really goes back to the first industrial revolution when we started reviering machines. And the goal of a machine is to minimize downtime. The goal of software is to minimize downtime. The goal of software is to minimize downtime. But for the human operating system, downtime is a feature, not a bug. And so we need to show people the day, show people the science, introduce people to ancient wisdom. You know, who've done

a wonderful series. I don't know if you've seen Tel-Sendage, you own Chinese ancient wisdom. We're doing a lot on Indian wisdom on Stoic philosophers, our conference room here, all our conference rooms are named after philosophers, like the Marcus Aurelio's room. I love that. It's our board room. So the reason for all that is that it requires both science and storytelling to move people. But we have found that the thing that moves people more than anything is hearing from successful people in the arena. It's what you said. It's like it's almost like people need to be given permission and need to hear from people who are successful, who are not chilling under a mango tree. So when Jeff Bezos writes a piece

and says, why am I getting eight hours of sleep? Is good for Amazon shareholders? That piece went crazy viral, and it made a lot of people feel if Jeff Bezos gets eight hours of sleep. And he's not exactly slowing down. That shows that there is something here for me to look at. Or, um, Philip Schindler, then chief business officer at Google, um, said to me at a dinner

that here this moment of epiphany, when he came home from a trip, and his young children, he told his children, that he's taking you to the playground, and his five-year-old son said, oh, no, can't the baby sit or take us? And he asked why? And the little boy said, because when you're in the playground,

you're always on your phone. Oh, wow. And that was his moment of epiphany. And after that, he stopped being on his phone when he is with his children. He traveled a lot. It's not like with his children all the time. So he made that sacred time.

And then he texted me to let me know what an amazing impact it had within Google. So people who felt that they could also do that, that they could take that step without being afraid that they are going to fall behind. Absolutely, absolutely. And I think you're so right that that science story telling in that last piece of people living the example is the most powerful because when we see someone who looks like us, talks like us, walks like us,

has the same diary as us and they can do it. And it's funny, isn't it, that we get impressed? I was at a hangout the other day and I was with a lot of other social media people and we were all hanging out together and no one used their phone for about three hours. Wow. Because we were all just connecting as human beings.

And everyone was, you know, there were a few people there. They were so impressed. They were like, how were you guys not on your phones? And I was just like, because I love this. Like, I love being on a plane. I pretend that planes still don't have Wi-Fi. Like, I just convinced myself that Wi-Fi doesn't exist on planes. Because I love being able to switch off.

Like, what you're saying, that it's not a bug, right? It's a feature. Yeah, it's a feature. I love that. That's so powerful that when we feel, and that's our problem, right? Like we think when we're slowing down, we're like, oh God, why am I slowing down?

I need to, you know, we panic. We go, oh no, I'm becoming less productive. But actually, that's a feature reminding us to press pause, to slow down, to reach that. And then we can actually observe why and how we become more productive. Hmm. This is what it sounds like inside the box card. I'm journalist and I'm Morton in my podcast, City of the Rails.

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You know, why do people say that they get their best ideas in the shower? It's the truth is that our best ideas come from the wisdom within, and that's why when you talk about making wisdom go viral, that's also part of what allows people to connect with their own inner wisdom. And their best ideas come from that. Absolutely. Let's talk about inner wisdom a bit because I think we both believe in it very strongly. I know that in my life, I feel I've always been guided by my inner wisdom. Yes. I rarely feel guided by my head. I rarely try and feel guided by the market or the industry.

I'm constantly looking to my inner compass to be guided. I'd love to hear from you how you've done that in your life and how you've been able to sift out your inner voice from the noise that often arises from everything around us. So for me, that's kind of the heart of everything I'm doing and that we're doing at Thrive, which is the truth. And that I believe is an absolute truth. That every one of us has a place of wisdom, peace and strength inside us. It's our birthright. No matter what we do or where we are or where we are born, we do have that. And most of the time, we are completely disconnected from it. And that's such a shame. It's like having been given this incredible inheritance, and not even knowing that you have it. And that's why I love when Ticknut Hamset,

that right now with our addiction to our phones and social media and games, he said it has never been easier to run away from ourselves. And so everything we're doing here is helping people reconnect with that place. Now there is nobody I know who lives in that place all the time. Of course. It's not, that's not what we're saying. What we want to create is a great course-correcting mechanism, so that we know, I kind of know, and I'm sure you know when I'm not in that place. And so, the first thing I want to do

is help myself get back to that place, whatever it takes. Because from that place, I'm so much more productive, so much more creative, and so much more joyful. You know, we don't talk enough about joy, but after all, the purpose of life is not just to be productive. Yeah, definitely not. This is not a dress rehearsal. Absolutely. So, if we can also connect with our joy and our loving, suddenly life becomes kind of like a little miracle.

Yeah, absolutely. What are a few things people can do every day to get that voice back for themselves? Like you said, I think so many of us have run so far away from ourselves, like Tiktok Hama mentioned you quoted, that we don't even know what ourself is anyway. Yes. Right? Like, it's like, well, what is it? Like, I have 10 voices in my head. And one of them's a TV show, and one of them's my favorite song,

and one of them's my mom's voice, and my dad's voice. Like, what are a couple of things that people can do on a daily basis that's gonna help them get closer to that voice again? Well, I believe, and I know you do too, that one of the kids is gratitude. That doesn't mean not acknowledging the pain, because the pain is often real. You know, there is a lot of pain in the world and in our lives, but also recognizing that

the pain is not everything. The hardship is not everything. The darkness is not everything. The hardship is not everything. The darkness is not everything. And being able to hold, when we are going through a hard time, these two realities in our hearts, as well as our heads at the same time, that for me is the key. And so doing again, micro steps, like starting your morning, taking one minute in the morning, one minute, to remember three things you're grateful for,

or set your intention for the day. It's absolutely key. If you don't have one minute, you don't have a life. The majority of people go directly to their phone first thing in the morning. And you don't know what you're going to see. Yeah, no, not at all. And so suddenly the court is all hormone, the stress hormone floods your body before you

have even gotten out of bed. So how you start your day is absolutely key. And so is how you start your day is absolutely key. And so is how you end your day. Because every day is a mixture of good things and bad things happening. You know, I've never had a day which was all amazing. No. Well, maybe one or two, but you know, it's not the norm. Of course.

So, you can go to bed thinking of all the things that went wrong. Or you can go to bed thinking of all the things you are grateful for. Yes. Yes. And that changes the quality of your sleep. Yes. So what is interesting, Jay, as you know, is that in terms of our evolution, our mind tends to go to the negative, because that's how we survived, right?

I mean, if we were followed by a tiger and focused on the sunset, we would not be here. Yes. But right now, we continue to live in this fight of light mode, even though the rounder of tigers around. I definitely know. And that's what we need to change. Absolutely. And I love what you're saying, because actually, I think, when I lived as a monk for three years,

one of the biggest principles we talked a lot about was how when we are asked to be grateful for something, we only remember the positive, whereas actually, a lot of the times when we've been in our greatest pain, that's been the greatest path to our potential. Yes. That actually the pain, the suffering, the tragedy, the falling down,

was actually the moment of our rise and growth. And I've noticed that when I look in reflection in gratitude, or I look in hindsight, it's actually the lowest point of my life that became the birth of the best moments of my life. And it's so easy to forget that. And so now when I'm going through painful moments, I'm always saying to myself, don't judge this moment as painful. Don't judge the moment because this could be the moment that leads to the next best thing that happens to you. And so becoming grateful in that pain too. Absolutely, completely agree with that.

It's like the Leonard Cohen song, you know, that the light comes in through the grass. Yes, yes, exactly, yes. And I know that from my life, you know, when I look back, I remember one of the most painful moments in my life was when I was very much in love with this brilliant writer in London. And we were together for seven years by now's 30 and I really, really wanted to have children. And he was clear he didn't want to have children, he only wanted to have cats.

So I had to make this staff decision, I could stay with him, but then I wouldn't have children or If I wanted to fulfill that dream, I would have to leave him Yeah, and it was an incredible moment of heartbreak. I really left London and moved to New York to put the kind of the ocean behind us and Yet when I look back now that one thing changed my life. So what was like the hardest moment at the time, became the moment that allowed me to move here, have my children, build a Huffington Post, launch thrive be here with you, and it all happened because a man wouldn't marry me. So I say, we all need to look back and look

at all the things that were terrible heart breaks. And what did they lead to? Yes, absolutely. Mine, mine, I don't think you know this. Mine, funnily enough, was I obviously moved to New York to work with Huff Post when we were together. And then you left to start thrive. And I left Huff first at the same time.

And that was one of the toughest periods in my life because I had all these views and things were growing online. But I no longer had my sponsor in you of someone who greatly believed in my work. And at that time, I really had to be the person who believed in myself and build my own world. And so I went through one of the toughest periods of my life because I went from having someone who believed in my work, someone incredible, influential like yourself, to having no one, to then having to do it myself.

And it was the best thing that happened to me. And that was only two years ago. And it's incredible. Yeah, and it was just one of those moments that I'm so grateful for because otherwise, I would have carried on doing what I was doing and it would have been nice. It would have been okay. There would have been nothing bad about it. But it launched, it gave me a launch pad to a new life.

And so I'm very grateful that you started trying to go for many reasons. But also for the reason because it allowed me to be born myself again. I love that. And I think we all should be doing more to tell the stories of these heartbreaks and what they led to. Because nobody who has succeeded has had like a linear path where everything went great.

Absolutely. Absolutely. And I'm really glad you brought up having children because that was actually my next topic. So I wanted to glad you brought up having children because that was actually my next topic. So I wanted to talk to you about that. And so I have this thing. I talk about making wisdom go viral. I talk a lot about wisdom.

My three areas, a self love and work. Those are my three areas which I believe I have some insight on or I have love and deeply want to help people with. Now there's one area of my life that I have no wisdom on and that's parenting, right? I'm not a parent yet. I don't claim to have any wisdom on parenting, but I have a lot of my audience and my community that loves asking questions. So one of the biggest questions I get asked right now is, Jay, I feel a lot of mum guilt of working on my passion, building my passion, but then having

to be there for my children and wanting to be there too. And I hear that a lot, I'm sure you've heard it for a long, long time, but I hear it a lot. So I wanted to ask someone who, and I've seen you with your daughters, you have a beautiful relationship with them, they have a beautiful relationship with you, it's so real and genuine. And at the same time, you're someone who is continuing to innovate, continuing to be a pioneer. How have you, not master that because I know you won't even say you've done that, how have you managed that and how have you continued to live your passion, build your passion, impact lives and maintain a real bond with your

children? Well, first of all, the mom guilt is kind of pretty much universal. And I really feel sometimes that they take the baby out and they put the guilty. That's how universal it is. And we've just launched a parenting workshop and it's going to be part of a digital product that helps women through micro steps and men too, because men have it, although not to the the same extent to recognize that if you follow your passion you are going to be a better parent because if you think that by not following your passion, I mean first of all for most people in the world it's not even a choice because people work, they need to make a living. But even let's say that was

not the issue, but this is something that you love and fulfills your purpose, there's no way you would be as good a parent if you didn't fulfill that. And also, I find that what matters most So I find that what matters most is when you are with your children to be fully there. I think the worst thing that we do as parents is multitasking. The idea that I'm with my child, I'm having dinner or I'm having with the homework and I'm set up to be looking at my phone. That's the thing that is really painful for the child. I mean, children take these signs to heart, but also being able to allow yourself to be fully present, whether it's with your child or at work, and when the guilt comes, recognizing it's not the truth. I call

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my whole world can crash down. Situation doesn't look good, there is risk too far. And my whole view on astrology, it changed. Whether you're a skeptic or a believer, I think your ideas are going to change too. Listen to Skyline Drive and the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, I think that's beautiful and that really makes me feel inspired hearing that because there's a future father. When I have kids, I really believe that because I'm getting to do what I love every day and I'm passionate about it,

I'm going to have that energy cascade onto my children. They're going to experience my joy. But if I was to give all this up and even if I was with them 24-7, I'd probably drive them mad because I wouldn't have anything to give them. Like, what am I going to offer them? And so I love that. And so even if you're a parent out there and you're listening right now, and it's not about changing your career or doing your passion, it could just be doing your hobby once a week, taking a mom's night once a week,

hanging out with your friends once a week, whatever you need to refuel, your kids are going to feel that energy. That's the key. Whatever you need to refuel. Because when we're not refueled and we give from a place of being empty and depleted, it's not real giving. I mean, we all have to do it and we all have to do it. But giving from our overflow is just amazing.

Yeah, absolutely. Giving from our overflow, that's exactly it. And if we're not overflowing, then we are just giving from our Half-filled cup. Yes, or our quarter-filled cup. And that's what I'm thinking about. Or our empty cup. That's what we're feeling drained. So what I really want to understand is how have you Changed what you do to refuel over the years. Yes. So from the moment when you were building a company through to now, I want to know that because I also think that a lot of people's methods for refueling change over time and we get scared when our methods change. So when you were in your teens used to go in party,

and when you're in your 30s or 40s, some people are still trying to do the same thing to refuel as they were and it doesn't work the same or it doesn't feel the same. So how have yours changed? Well, that's part of being connected with ourselves and getting the science I mean, I was blessed of an amazing mother Who was very connected with her own wisdom and ancient wisdom and even though she never went to college. She was self-god and She thought my sister and me to meditate when I was 13. And I didn't do it consistently at the beginning, but it definitely was an incredible gift.

So I bought into the delusion that the only way to succeed is to be always on, to sacrifice my own health and well-being, which is absurd. You know, we claim to be data driven. The data is so clear, that's not what works. I mean, look at the founder myth. Over three quarters of startups fail. So there's something wrong about the assumption that you have to be always on to succeed. Look at Elon Musk.

I mean, he's brilliant visionary. But what he's doing by exhausting himself and tweeting in the middle of the night things that are not true about taking his company private, leading to SEC investigations, having to step down a stream and paying it 20 million dollar fine. How can this be good for the company you are building? So whatever it is that we are all doing, finding our own ways to refuel is key. For me, the foundation of my refueling became sleep. I even wrote a book, with all the latest science about why it is so essential because sleep is not optional. It's an incredibly active time for the brain. It's the only time when the brain can clean up all the accumulated toxins from the day and it is essential to our health

and to our cognitive performance. So that's my number one thing. My number two thing that we teach a lot here is a recognition that it takes one minute to cause correct from stress. It's not like a long time, but you need to do it every time you feel your stress down. So we are launching a behavior change platform. And this product is at the heart of it to help people when they are stressed to get a recommendation for a microstep. And the microstep can be as small as closing your eyes, you are even not closing your eyes if you are in a public space

and you don't want to and Consciously focusing on your breathing Literally, I mean I did a one-minute Meditation not dream force. Yeah, when you set on the cloud. I love that And I've just put it on my Instagram a couple of days ago because it is so simple And you know if you practice it and take one minute, it's just extraordinary how you cause correct from stress. And you know, nobody's going to eliminate stress from their lives. What we're looking for is not to make it cumulative.

Yes. One of the things I think we have to realize is that what you're pointing out is that there's acute stress and chronic stress. And acute stress is good sometimes. We need that kind of like, oh my god, I need to get this done. It's important. We all feel stressed before we go and give a keynote or you feel stressed before a big meeting at work. But it's the chronic stress is that repeated stress is the stress that's underlying and building up. Like you said, cumulative stress. That's the one we really need to be wary of. Exactly. So just to give you an example, I thrive.

You know, we're not a 95 company. You know, we have huge ambitions. People work hard, but we tell everybody, if you have a project that requires you to pull an all-nighter or do extra intense work, take time after that. That is the key. Don't continue working as though you had not expanded extra energy and are depleted. Because if you do that, just look at the data.

I think you're going to get sick, because your immune system is going to be compromised. So you may think you're powering through or grinding through. Your body is going to let you down. Yeah. And also, your decisions and your work are not going to be as good as they could have been. Absolutely. And I love your consistent point about the data is showing this, like the data is showing this. Where data driven, there's no debate. There's no debate. The data show.

Not my opinion. Yes, exactly. It's not your opinion. it's not a philosopher's opinion, it's not the opinion of, oh, let's be fluffy and let's believe in well-being, it's data-driven. So... Wellness is a 4.3 trillion category. Yes. But it's not defined. Yes. It can mean anything, it can mean warm and fuzzy things. Yes. Nothing wrong with them, but that's not what we were talking about. No. We were talking about hardcore science-driven, data-driven realities, which also happen to be validating ancient wisdom. That's what I love.

Exactly. Yeah. And that's, I love that because when I started reading your books, which I highly recommend Sleep Revolution and Thrive, like the two my favorite books, what I loved about them is it's exactly what I try and do is the bridge between ancient wisdom, modern science and practical application. How is this relevant now? You know, how can you take it for now? And the reason why I love ancient wisdom the way you do is because we are not Pavlov's dogs. We do have a heart

and a soul. Yes. And so if we really want to change behavior, we need to capture our imagination. That's what we are building. The product we are building intends to sort of crack the code and behavior change. The reason why behavior change doesn't work most of the time is because we only appeal to people's minds and we are more than our minds.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Ariana, you're amazing. And I hope we're going to do many, many more of these. And this conversation, I believe, is just a starting point. I just wanted people to dive into your wealth of wisdom. I highly recommend it. If you've loved this conversation, I'm a big proponent of Ariana's books.

I think they're phenomenal. And if you haven't checked out Thrive Globally app, make sure you check them out. They're doing incredible work online in companies and bringing all of this to the work environment, which I think is so important. Having worked at Accenture myself, who I know works very closely with you.

It's incredible to see this work infusing into the corporate culture. And also I would love to invite your listeners to tell their stories. AHH at thriveglobal.com is my email sent it to me and will give you a password and you can pass them on J's channels and on thriveglobal. The question is how can we accelerate the distribution of these ideas? Ah, I love that. That's awesome. So, Aaron, we end every podcast with what I call the final five. These are the final five rapid fire answer.

It can either be a one word, three word, or one sentence answer, no more than that. Okay. So, I'm being a bit lenient, but this is it. It's easy for you. What's the first thing you do when you wake up? The first thing I do when I wake up is Focuss on my breath and three things I'm grateful for me, too. I love that What's the last thing you do before you go to bed? The last thing is again Focuss on my breath and three things I'm grateful for I love it if I went through your phone who's number what I want steal? I think you would want to steal Bill Mars number.

Okay. Why? Because he's such a truth teller. I don't agree with everything, but I love him here and I've been friends forever and also because he's unbelievably private, so it's a very hard number to get. I like it. Awesome. I'm going to have to try and grab your phone later.

Who's? What's the most used and grab your phone later. Who's what's the most used app on your phone? So, you know, I have basically removed the most apps from my phone. Nice. So, what are the most intimate thing I do is texting with my daughters and my friends? with my daughters and my friends. And of course, I'm obsessed with our driver because I integrate in my life all the micro steps that are fair to me, but also because I'm a big believer

in constantly iterating and improving it. So I'm giving constant feedback. So I use it for myself, but I also use it as a tool to keep improving it. Awesome. And question five of the final five is, what do you consider your biggest accomplishment so far? Oh, absolutely. Without question, my two daughters. I love them so much. My oldest daughter just got engaged and I'm so happy because her fiance, somebody I love, that I actually hard for the Huffington Post. Oh no way, that's amazing, I didn't know that part of it.

Well he now works with Jeffrey Katsumberg and the infatuation, yeah. Oh infatuation, yes. Yeah, which is one of the companies that he identified and they invested in. But anyway, I love them. We are very close. I feel very blessed to be as close to them. And I can't wait to become a grandmother, Jay. Amazing. I love it. Well, Arianna, thank you so much for taking this time.

Thank you for opening up your office. Thank you so much for sharing that opportunity for my audience and community to reach out to you as well and share that idea. I love that. We'll definitely ever know. And please, please, please go and check out Ariane. If you don't follow her already, you'll find her on Instagram, find her on Facebook,

find her on Twitter, all of her insights, anything that you've loved today. Her Instagram and social media feeds are absolutely full of it. So make sure you do that. Ariane, I thank you so much for making your friends. Thank you. And thank you so much for everything you are doing for the world. Thank you. Oh, no, thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you so much for listening through to the end of that episode.

I hope you're gonna share this all across social media. Let people know that you're subscribed to on purpose. Let me know. Post it. Tell me what a difference it's making in your life. I would love to see your thoughts. I can't wait for this incredibly conscious community we're creating of purposeful people. You're now a part of the tribe, a part of the squad. Thank you for being here. I can't wait to share the next episode with you. Thank you for being here. I can't wait to share the next episode with you. Thank you for being here. I can't wait to share the next episode with you.

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