On Purpose with Jay Shetty - Dave Asprey : ON How To Build A Young Brain And Body For Life

Episode Date: January 20, 2020

On this episode of On Purpose, I sat down with Dave Asprey. Dave is the Founder & CEO of Bulletproof 360, creator of Bulletproof Coffee, and a two-time New York Times bestselling author. Dave will be sharing his incredible transformation from being overweight, tired and unsatisfied to Super-Human. He plans on living to at least 180-years-old and wants to help you maximize your performance. You’ll learn the foods that your brain loves and how to slow aging down! Text Jay Shetty 310-997-4177 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to not lost on the iHeart radio app or wherever you get your podcasts. The idea of hacking is that you can take control of a system, you can manipulate it without understanding what's inside, you test inputs and outputs. So that actually works really well in biology, but it's not what medicine does. You test inputs and outputs. So that actually works really well in biology, but it's not what medicine does. It's a different thing. It's what bodybuilders do. It's what the anti-aging community does.

It's what Navy SEALs do. And heck, it's what people own resources do to the resources. So how do we apply that to ourselves? Hey, everyone. Welcome back to on purpose, the number one health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every single one of you. Thank you for coming back every single week to listen, to learn, and to grow. And you know that my commitment to each and every one of you is to find and connect with guests that I believe can help you increase your performance, your productivity, and live happier, healthier lives.

And today's guest is going to do just that. Now, I've been waiting for this conversation for quite a long time. I can't wait to dive into Dave's mind because it fascinates me when I'm looking at it from afar or through common and mutual friends we have. But for those of you who don't know Dave Asprey, here's what I want you to know.

Dave is the founder and CEO of Bulletproof360, creator of Bulletproof Coffee, at two-time New York Times best-selling author, the host of the Webby Award-winning podcast, Bulletproof Radio, serial entrepreneur, and global change agent. Dave has dedicated over two decades of his life, identifying and working with world-renowned doctors,

scientists, and innovators to uncover the most advanced methods decades of his life, identifying and working with world renowned doctors, scientists and innovators to uncover the most advanced methods for enhancing mental and physical performance. Today he'll be sharing what it means to be superhuman, Mr. Bulletproof himself. Dave Asprey, thank you for being here. It's great to finally meet you. Likewise, I'm super happy to be on your show. Thanks for having me. Yeah, absolutely. I'm so excited. Today we're I'm super happy to be on your show. Thanks for having me. Yeah, absolutely.

I'm so excited today. We're talking about your new book, Superhuman. The book came out a couple of months ago, and I'm finally here with Dave, the Bulletproof Plan to age backward and maybe even live forever. I love that. So we're going to put the link in the comments as well. So make sure you go and grab a copy of the book if you enjoyed today's conversation. But Dave, I'm going to start off somewhere probably very different to where people start with you. But you're a keen ping-pong player.

You know yesterday, I just kicked Steve Yoke his ass at ping-pong. No, that's a good story. Okay. Tell us how it went down. Was it a clear washout or was it an active ball? He's like, how the heck does a serve spin like that? But the cool thing was he's a biohacker too. And is that his place? I just did an episode with him. And so he was already like picking up the thing. And so he got a few shots back, but it was pretty fun.

Yeah, is there anyone who's ever been here? Is your son ever be? My son kicks my ass. Oh, okay. And it sounds crazy. I started when he was five and I'd play left-handed. I'm not left-handed, just so we could be fair. And as he improved, kids have neuroplasticity,

like no one else, to keep up with him, I run an electrical current over my brain with a halo headset. And if I do that, it slows the ball down, kind of like Neo from the matrix, and then we're pretty much even. So depending on the day, all wind, half time, hill, and half the time,

but I mean, he's a little killer on that and he's 10 So I don't know if when he's 15 if I'm able to keep doing that But I think so but I've got a pretty mean ping pong game and when I test my brain on the neuroscience stuff from my neuroscience company I have the response time in my brain of a 20 year old and it literally goes up with age and part of superhuman the anti-aging thing No, I've got the data. It shows I have a 20 year old's brain. And it's awesome because I can keep up, otherwise I wouldn't. That's incredible.

I can't wait to test that out. I'd love to see how old my brain is. Whose brain has fascinated you the most that you've tested? Whose brain is... Well, I mean, a lot of times, I, there's confidentiality. This is 40 years of zen. It doesn't have to tell me who it is.

Got it. Yeah, don't tell me who it is. Okay, so this is a neurosurgeon, there's confidentiality. This is 40 years of zen. It doesn't have to tell me who it is. Got it. Yeah, don't tell me who it is. So this is a neuroscientist who've five day intensive program in Seattle, custom hardware software, all this clinical grade stuff to see what's going on in there. And then to perform his tune in like a race car for your brain.

And we've had some of the spiritual leaders from South America come through. One of the guys really fascinating, actually, he's public about this. Dr. Barry Morgalon. He's one of 12 living grandmasters of Lao Tsui's oral heritage. And he's spoken at the Bullock proof conference and just a good friend been on the show a couple of times. So this guy is Dr. Strange. Literally, he went to the monastery, they interviewed him before they wrote Dr. Strange. And he has these abilities. It works with Tony Robbins and works with me before I go on stage

and things like that and some presidents of countries kind of guy. So you look at his brain waves and you're like, this is not a normal human being. And some guys like him, if he turns it up all the way He'll fuzz out the gear literally. You're looking at brain waves and all that stuff and all this and you can't get a clean signal Yeah, and this is something intrinsic in our biology. You talk about real super humans You look at the people who are way outliers Those are where the most interesting thing happens because how do we take you and me and how do we turn up our abilities to do that

because we all have that in us. And that was one of the reasons I wanted to write this book. It might take a few decades. So you're gonna need more decades or you might cheat. That's what I'm doing on the neuroscience program. I love that. Yeah, no, I'm excited to share because when my book's coming out, I've got a ton of research on the minds of monks.

I know we have a lot of similarities there and I'm fascinated by how monks' meditations can switch. Like you're saying, on and off, like a switch, you know, just from compassion to empathy to focus to discipline without even a second of warm-up. We've been studying this for 30, 40 years, but traditional neuroscience is all about seizures and surgery and things like that. But now, in the neurofeedback category, we know what's a carrier wave, we know what's happening down at Delta, we know it's happening at Alpha in a meditator versus a monk. And the reason that my program is 40 years is then is it's meant to replace 40 years of daily practice of meditation because

hurry meditate faster. There's nothing wrong with that. That's incredible. And how have you seen the results come back? It's ridiculous. What you end up with, if you were to spend all that time studying, and I've been to Tibet to learn meditation from the masters, in fact, I first had Yakbud or T, which was the inspiration for both of coffee in Tibet when I was there to learn meditation.

And it was clear what this stuff is more powerful. Something just happened with this weird mixing tea, mixing butter and things. But you look at what happens there is, while you learn, you know, there's seven layers of hell and all this wisdom and depending on whether you're looking at a Hindu perspective or a Buddhist perspective, or, you know, there's other traditional Chinese things or there's European. So there's all these lineages and heritages and shamanic training and all these things. And I've had a chance to learn some of those, but there's wisdom and then there's the felt state. And what you can do is you can achieve the felt state using the tools of breathing,

tools of meditation, tools of neurofeedback. And you can be there you can achieve the felt state using the tools of breathing, tools of meditation, tools of neurofeedback. And you can be there, but without at least some guidance, you might not know where you are. You just know it feels really different and you can kind of blow your mind open. Yeah, absolutely. And I've noticed that I think for a lot of people who come from non-spiritual traditions or backgrounds, a lot of this is great. It also just giving them a window into the fact that this exists and is possible. And I think the felt state is a much more tangible experience for them to believe

that it's not just some elusive thing, but it's real. I didn't believe any of this. I'm a computer science, computer hacker, wait 300 pounds, come up from a family of engineers. And anyone who believe this is clearly stupid, that's how it was raised. And when you feel something, well, there's a signal in here that might be useful,

and you realize it's actually not just useful, it's hackable, and you can choose the felt state, and you can use that to sense the world around you and to connect with people and things. It was a pretty big awakening for me, but it's part of the path. And what I discovered, and the reason I went down the bulletproof path at the same time doing the 40 years of Zen,

if you want to do personal development, you want to meditate, you want to improve your brain, doing it on french fries doesn't, it doesn't work. You have to get your biology in order, because if your cells don't make energy, it's subsilular components that drive most of your felt state. And if they're running a half power, how are you going to have enough energy to wake up, you know, have whatever you have in the morning, take care of yourself, take care of your family, your community, oh, and had time and energy left over to do the deep personal work to, you know, let go of a childhood thing or, you know, reach a new state of performance.

No, you were too tired because your cells didn't work. So eat right and then do the meditative practice and you'll get more results in less time. I'm Jay Shetty and on my podcast on purpose, I've had the honor to sit down with some of the most incredible hot some minds on the planet. Oprah, everything that has happened to you can also be a strength builder for you if you allow it. Kobe Bryant. The results don't really matter. It's the figuring out that matters.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And you went through the experience too, right? Because you were 22, 300 pounds. That was 300 pounds, yeah. Exactly. Tell us about that journey just before we dive into all of this incredible insight. Tell us about that journey and transition of when you came to the point where you were like, there is more out there, but even before that, this, what I'm doing to my

biology isn't good for me. It's really weird. Anyone who's fat will tell you at some level they know they're fat because we have a mirror. You know what I mean? It's scale. My pants keep getting tight. What do I do here? And then you say, well, I'm going to try to do something and trying to do something is already presupposing failure. I call it a weasel word in my books.

And what you end up with is you say, I'm going to do what's supposed to work. And anyone who's ever read anything says, oh, we must be meat robots. Therefore, it's calories and calories out. So I did that. I worked out for an hour and a half a day, six days a week for 18 months. Was that hot? Of course it was hard.

And although exercise is addictive when you do it like that, you get the endorphins, you get a rush from it. So it's hard to stop exercising. And I know people who are addictive, they can't do it with these it's hard to stop exercising. And I know people are addictive. They can't do anything. I got to go exercise. That's not a healthy state. That means you're stuck with the endorphins,

the runners high, whatever. And for me, I went on a low-fat, low-calorie diet. And at the end of this, I still weigh 300 pounds. I could max out the machines. It wasn't 300 pounds of muscle. I was covered in flap. I still was a 46 inch waist. I'm a 33 inch waist right now.

And I just, I look strong. It said, maybe it's because I'm eating too much lettuce. That was my math. Right? It's because I'm not trying hard now. No, it's not. Yeah. And seriously, all my friends are eating double Western bacon

cheeseburgers. And I'm eating the salad with no chicken and no dressing. And I'm hungry, just so hungry. And I'm just putting all my will power into this. And I don't care if I'm eating the salad with no chicken and no dressing and I'm hungry just so hungry and I'm just putting all my willpower into this and I don't care if I'm sick I don't care if I have final exams I'm gonna go to the gym and just the sense of failure but it became a self-worth problem and then I said one day I'm actually doing all this and I'm not getting the results it must be what I'm doing doesn't work and then you start digging in the research and I started trying all the different variations on diets and went really deep on the corners of the internet.

And this is back in the late 90s. People didn't even use the internet for this kind of stuff, but I'd find weird researchers and I would just test it all because I was computer science and building the internet as we know it. I'm pretty sure that I'll be able to just hack this dumb meat body. And the idea of hacking is that you can take control of a system, you can manipulate it without understanding what's inside, you test inputs and outputs.

So, all right, that actually works really well in biology, but it's not what medicine does. It's a different thing, it's what body builders do, it's what the anti-aging community does, it's what Navy SEALs do. And heck, it's what people own resources do to the resources. So how do we apply that to ourselves? And I said, all right, I'm going to get over this childhood. I've had arthritis in my news since I was 14. And I found out later when I reversed engineered it, I lived in a house that had toxic mold, and I poisoned the mitochondria in my body. So I repaired that damage, and I said, wait, there's always new levels, things I can do,

where I didn't think I'd look the way I look, I'd feel the way I feel, I'd be able to do what I do, and I can, and I'm continuously getting powerful and younger and faster. My brain works better. I just mentioned about ping pong, to see the actual data, and to see the scan, oh, have 87th percentile hippocampal volume, the hippocampus in the brain. Look, I started out fat and sick.

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to podcasts. Big love. Namaste. And it feels like that's the energy, that experimentation at that stage has led to now this decisional aspiration to live to one eight, 180 years old. Like why why why 180 specifically, because I'm sure there's some math behind that I'm assuming. And why why want to live longer anyway for you. Now it's at least 180. I don't want to put a cap on it. Okay. No, no. It's a different. Right. okay. Now, the math is really straightforward. We know we can do 120 because we've seen it. And those people, they drank, they smoked,

they went through, see what's happening, 120 years ago, it was 1900. There's no cars. They haven't been invented yet. There's no microwaves. World War One, World War Two haven't happened. Antibiotics haven't been discovered DNA. They couldn't even spell it back then.

Yeah. Through the crebs cycle for America. We didn't know much at all about how our bodies work and they still lived under 20, okay. But they weren't exposed to as much trauma as we are. Oh, no, they had more trauma than we did. Exposure. They had more trauma literally in the world.

Yeah. But not necessarily exposure on a daily basis. Do you know the odds of having one of your siblings die 120 years ago? The reason you had five or six kids is because a couple of them weren't going to make it. Redundant array of inexpensive kids. They invented it back then. In fact, we invented that in society back then. So people grew up with their family members dying. You didn't know if anyone would come home, you couldn't call them on their cell phone.

Someone gets on a boat, they don't come back. You don't, maybe you'll get a letter three months later. People disappeared all the time. It was a pretty shitty time. Oh, we didn't even talk about polio. We didn't talk about all the diseases that just white people out that generally don't get us anymore. You go to the doctor, they're going to cut your arm off with a rusty saw. They're like, this is the state of people who lived 120 now. Now, I'm just going to have to say it. How do you? I'm 32.

32. Alright, so let's think what is going to be like 120 years from now. Given that we can rely on the internet, we can look at PubMed. I couldn't write these books each of the books the superhuman book would have been a lifetime of Research in a library using microfishing card catalogs on this crap But the fact that I can pull together this information and I have the weird brain that synthesizes it and I can talk to these experts all of this is Enable by technology in the last 20 years Do you think that we can't add 50% to the maximum human lifespan over the next 150 for you 148 years?

Like put on your future hat and realize exponential rates of growth, you have a very good chance of living way, way, way beyond 180. If there's still soil on the planet, If a comet doesn't hit us, right? And if essentially we take care of the world enough. So that's the big one. That's the big one. Taking care of the world enough. But here's the other reason that we need more highly energetic old people in all societies that I studied. And it's in like the first chapter of Superhuman. I talk about the quest for immortality is something that's happened as long as we've had recorded history, going back to the Egyptians,

going back to the alchemist, going back to the Hindu traditions, the Chinese traditions, the South American traditions, they've all been searching for this. And things like dowsim are tied directly towards that quest for how do I live forever as a highly functioning, highly energetic evolved person. Well, we've always had village elders. So what would happen is the young monks would go into the monastery and the 80-year-old Lama would look at them and say, all right, here's what we've learned. And I learned this from my elders. And I learned it from my elders. In fact, it allows you, in tradition, 5,000 years of unbroken oral history passed down from

the elders. Well, elders today, unfortunately, a lot of them Alzheimer's disease, heart attacks, retirement homes, and we started seeing our elders rather than as sources of knowledge and wisdom, the people who can guide us the best. We started seeing them as tubes, monitors, diapers, wheelchairs, and expenses. And that's actually never happened. All of the history doesn't happen. It's a great observation.

So I got in my way to interview people who are over 90 because man, they've got 50 years on me. And what did they learn that I'm probably going to learn? And what pain can I avoid from listening to them? Would I like them to be 120 and still have fully functioning vibrant lives so I could learn even more and they could share it?

Heck yeah, with the world needs that, plus, okay, if you're going to live for hundreds of years more, you aren't gonna throw the plastic bottle in the ocean. You realize, oh my God, I better not shit in my own sandbox, because I'm going to be in the sandbox for a very long time. I'm not going to hand it off to the next generation the way currently the boomers are getting blamed. And it's funny, because the boomers are saying, well, wait, we inherited World War One and World War Two from you old people, but they're all dead so we can't blame you anymore.

We just keep going back and back and back. Yeah, and they're saying, we inherited this from the Civil War. And it just, it goes back forever. We always inherit this, but the scope of inheritance is gonna change. And anyone who has kids is unlikely to say, you know, I'd like to have kids three times throughout my 200 years. You're gonna have kids,

you're gonna put so much energy and life into them the way all parents do, right? You're gonna enjoy seeing them flourish, but we're not gonna worry about an overpopulation problem and the data supports I'm saying very, very clearly. Japan, US, most Western countries, the birth rates gone down, populations are declining and so is the fertility rate. So we don't have to worry about global population this way 50 years. It won't be a problem. I mean, three, I'm fascinated, I'm fascinated. The reason is because it's, we're're talking about also, and I wanna get your thoughts on this,

because I think we were talking about different things there. You were talking about obviously, the physical abilities have increased, but with the rise of mental health, even if it is with less trauma, the way we're able to process traumatic events or tragedies or challenges seems to be struggling. It's funny. I'm just, I'm just throwing it out. I wanna get your bed like this, or tragedies or challenges seems to be struggling.

It's funny, I'm just throwing it out there. I want to get you about it. I'm not negative at all. I'm just trying to... It doesn't sound negative. You ever, there's a documentary that came out, they came out recently called They Shall Not Grow Old. I have not seen it. It's about World War One.

Oh my God, the toughness, the resilience of these guys, it's unimaginable. In the interview, people who are still alive from World War One, but they show footage and they tell these stories and you're saying no human walk in the face of the Earth today could do with these guys dead. Exactly. So isn't that a challenge in lasting longer? Because if the resilience in grit was so much more higher than that people could lose their family member The family member never came back from the boat, but they never did they have the mental health chance

They never talked about it. They know they couldn't share on social media like Or did they just not did they just not feel it was today where I think sensitive and they felt it But how you felt just in matters much. It was how you showed up in the world. So they they had crammed down I don't know how happy they were. There's war veterans. People knew that people came back from war changed. But there's also, there was a community, and there's something else that happens.

Most of the time, if you took a big hit to the head, you just died. So now we have a lot more traumatic brain injury in people who survive horrific injuries who come back with more trauma. But our technologies for dealing with trauma, even some of the neuroscience stuff, the things that are a big focus for me at 40 years of Zen, and you deal with nutritionally, you put them in a hyperbaric chamber, you can heal almost any emotional trauma and so many physical

traumas. The problems when a physical trauma ties to an emotional trauma, it doesn't work. You can also precondition people. A lot of times people just don't know about the research. a trauma ties to an emotional trauma, it doesn't work. You can also precondition people. A lot of times, people just don't know about the research. It's a something called heart rate variability. It's a core part of what I teach people. This is how to change the spacing between your heartbeats.

When you're relaxed in a meditative state, you have a higher change in the spacing between your heartbeats. Same number of beats per minute, but the pattern of the beats changes. Well, if you teach soldiers to do this before they go into combat, or kids before they get bullied, it doesn't really matter.

It's your body thinks it's the same thing. You actually don't walk away from that with PTSD. Yes. You can precondition for it. So what we could do is we can teach resilience. 100%. I wasn't necessarily highly resilient, but I am now. And this is just missing from our curriculum.

Correct. It is a neuroscience state. It's, it's, you can define it, you can measure it, you can quantify it. And then you can put a moral judgment on it. Yes. There shouldn't be a moral judgment. Yeah. I, yeah.

You know, you used to be able to, you know, you go to church and, you know, you've been bad, right? Or whatever the pattern of your church was. But people now are abandoning religion. Religion provided some of that, the prayer before your meal. You don't have to pray to a specific deity that someone told you had to, but you can provide a sense of gratitude, which is the real nugget there. Without gratitude, you can't do forgiveness.

Without gratitude, you stay in fight or flight. So you can program these things in, but what does gratitude actually look like in the brain and in the heart? You can measure those, and you can look, I can sit here across from you with your wired up, and I can say, you're actually not feeling grateful. You said you were grateful and you lied to yourself and hold your accountable to that. That is amazing, right?

That's right. Yeah, I love that too. And I hope that one day we can all have that next year so we never know we're not lying to ourselves. It's fun being a lie detector for other people but it's better being a lie detector for ourselves. That's what we have coaches. That's what we have gurus.

That's what we have friends. The problem what we have gurus. That's what we have friends. The problem is that you're very likely to get angry at a friend or a coach when they really call you out on your BS. I'm going to get angry at your phone. Yeah. How are you going to get your phone? Click the data as the data.

And that's what I do. It's one of the most important impactful things in my life has been the 40 years of Zen training, where when I do that, if there's something that I'm hiding for myself, I'm not gonna know it. I'm gonna look you in the eye, I'm gonna deny it, and you're gonna do the same thing to me because our ability to look inside ourselves is very low,

but when you have a mirror right here, oh, I have spinach to my teeth. But you're not gonna know you have spinach in your teeth and tell some stuff. Your friends get to tell you, unless they're really close to you. Exactly. When I love about you though, when I'm hearing you speak,

and I've never, I guess you don't, when you meet someone, you unearth things differently and it's like, you really have this great juxtaposition between wisdom and science, which I think is so powerful and beautiful and you've started off there. And I think when it's either raw, it can get slightly lost sometimes. They have to align.

And one of the reasons I created this field of biohacking and it's now a word in the dictionary in 2018, they added it to Merion Websters and my name's in there. And I could have this big conference around it, is I wanted to take the data that we can now get for the first time ever, things about that hurry, very good neuroscience, and so they call the exposome, which is the measure of all the things you're exposed to in your environment over the course of your life that changes your genetics. This is a data set we'll never actually collect all of it.

It's like a real, a full-size map of California. It isn't very useful because it's as big as the state, right? Yeah, absolutely. But we're able to gather so much data that we can now validate things. Like, in the book before Superhuman, I wanted to test a Taoist equation. The, these guys were looking to live forever

and they say flat out, if you're a guy and you wanna live forever, you should use this equation to control how frequently you ejaculate because it'll make you old if you ejaculate too much. And I looked at them and said, that's complete BS. I have to test it and disprove this BS. And I ended up publishing a year's worth of data

and I interviewed other experts in the field. And it turns out for guys, there really is an orgasm hangover. And you see, what? I'm not saying I've less sex. I'm just saying decide how often you're gonna ejaculate. I would have said the data would not support that. And what I'm finding is the

more I dig deep in in shamanic knowledge and you say, how could that possibly work? And then I go and I look at the neuroscience of it, like, oh my God, these people couldn't using our language in our tech. They couldn't explain it. Correct. Four out of time. But they learned by watching for generations and their elders handed it off and handed it off. And one of the coolest things I can think of in this space, the lady who discovered the opiate receptor in the brain, massive transformative thing, I don't know, it was Candice Perth. And I'm sad she passed away right before I could interview her. And in her book, she writes about how, after maybe 20 years of her career, just being hard-core

Western scientist, atheist, just rejecting anything that might be energetic, she started realizing maybe I have to pay attention to this because there's something else going on. And she met this group of shamans. And she tried to explain to them what the opiate receptors were. And then the guy says something and they all laugh. And then she asked the translator. And the trans translator said, oh, they're laughing because they said, ha ha, she thinks these molecules actually exist.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. It's crazy. Tell me about it. Tell me about the you did $120,000. Stelson makeover. Oh, the Stelson makeover. That was with Dr. Harry Allison in Park City.

Break down what that is and why you can. So that's who we understand a bit more about it. And I write about the details of stem cells and what's happening now and what you can get for $5,000 versus in this case $120,000 is at the very high end of what's possible. It's the most intensive stem cell procedure that you can do right now. What I did is I laid down, they put you under a sedation, but not full anesthesia, and they pulled bone marrow

and people go, oh, it's so painful. I had it done when I was unscidated. It's not that big of a deal. It just feels really odd. I even Facebook did. I'm a Facebook live video. Do really odd, even Facebook did, of Facebook live video. Do you Facebook live this?

I couldn't do this procedure because I was unconscious with the one before that that I did just to see what the components would be. I've done stem cells, a variety of times, different technologies that are out here. They pull the bone marrow, they pull your own fat, they can get the stem cells out of it, and then they go through, and depending on which part of the body, starting at the toes, every joint, they inject stem cells into the joint.

So the joints will stay young. I'm gonna be around for hundreds of years. So I would like to be walking around under my own power. I've had three knee surgeries before I was 23, and so I want my knee to be highly functional forever. I don't want to be on a cane when I'm old. And then John Hopkins neurosurgeon, who's been on my show, Marcella,

she flies out for it and she threads a cannula inside the spine. So they've dripped my own stem cells inside my spine and they are attracted to areas that are inflamed. And they turn off inflammation and turn on growth. So they inject every vertebra, then do the face hair, male reproductive organs. And I Facebook live that when they did another time too, that was funny, without showing anything you can't unsee. And you wake up four hours later, it's sort of going what just happened,

but the regrowth and the rejuvenation happens six, nine months later as the tissues themselves turn over and you get younger. That's at the very cutting edge, but if you just have a lot of knee pain or an injury that won't heal, I did all that stuff three years ago as themselves. I had this thing in my right shoulder. It's gone. All these things throughout my body that you accumulate over time, you're when we're young, we all go mountain biking.

Sure, I'll play soccer and even though there's a piece of bone fragment sticking out my thigh, I just one more in. Absolutely, yeah. And you pay for it later and then you can reverse it. And that's what I did. That's incredible. What level of, when I'm hearing that,

someone who's not had any of those processes and speaking on behalf of most of the audience, I get it not done that, what level of risk are you comfortable with or have you researched this to so much of a depth that actually when you do this, you're like, I'm not experimenting at all because there's very little risk. Like what level of risk do you feel comfortable with? I talk about return on investment as the primary lens. I look for for anything. I do. There's how much energy do I put into doing something. And then there's how much time. And do there's how much energy do I put into doing something and then there's how much time and There's how much money do I put into it and then what's the return I'm looking for and dying is the return

I'm not looking for The problem is that if you just do what you're doing now Your risk is probably 80% that one of the four killers from superhuman are going to get you. It's cardiovascular disease, cancer, Alzheimer's disease, or type 2 diabetes. You pretty much have an 80% chance of doing those. Those all come with 20 plus years of suffering before you die and you're not in charge of yourself when you die. So those are crappy odds. Absolutely.

The worst odds ever. So how willing are you to take a few risks to avoid that? I'm willing to take a few risks, but they're not stupid risks. Okay, I'm in a room. I've got one of the top trained neurosurgeons out there doing a procedure. The risks are exceptionally low when you have that.

I'm not doing anesthesia, I'm doing sedation, so the risks are low. The returns are more energy now, more energy for the decades, more time I'm going to live. As I age, I will age differently than baseline human models. That is very precious. If there's a risk of one in That is very precious. And if there's a risk of one in 50,000 of something really bad happening, one in 50,000, maybe it's one in 10,000, I don't know, but I will tell you that if you're popping Advil right now, you're facing those same kind of risks. Like we're all facing risk all the time. We don't know about because we never hit.

Totally. In fact, I got to go back to that bowl of french fries. It causes more inflammation in your body than smoking a cigarette for a longer period of time. You probably ought to not do either one of those, but most people listening to this, yeah, I'm talking to you, french fries taste good. I'll eat them. Right? Have you done the risk analysis on that behavior?

No, because it's normal. And can we talk about cancer and alcohol? That's good. Yeah. Just go to PubMed, which is the database of all these studies and look at the relationship between drinking alcohol and cancer. It is not good for you. And you're saying, oh, I'm so worried that I do the stem cell procedure that could make

me feel really good and fix that joint or that hip or that back pain that they might want to fuse in my spine for. I'm going to go spend $5,000 doing that. Oh, I could never do that. It's too risky, too expensive. You spend five grand on wine this year. Coffee. Yeah.

Well, that's not, it's worth it. Come on, man. I know. I said that as a joke. It totally. But that whole thing, okay, you spent that same amount of money on something that we know contributes to cancer. Right.

And I'm not picking on wine specifically, just alcohol as a metabolizes increased your risk. By the way, I actually had sake last night. It's not like I never drink. I can tell you I took supplements that turn off the negative effects of it when I did that. But you can still enjoy life, but people are not very good at doing risk math.

And when you look at those two things, you spent the same amount of money on things that are vaguely pleasurable and vaguely bad for you. Or you could have done something that was a step up in your performance. I know what I'm going to choose. I'm going to skip the franchise. I'm going to occasionally have really good wine that's expensive instead of a lot of cheap wine. And I'm going to do the same sauce. Yeah. No, and it comes back down to what we both know Tick-N-Tack Han said about wanting

familiar pain versus unfamiliar pain. And we'd rather have familiar pain of everything that our ancestors have had or family members who have had. So we have some familiarity with it, whether it's cancer or also I miss who we feel, oh yeah, it's kind of something we've all had. We feel whereas the unfamiliar pain of, I don't know what that looks like, is so much more scary,

even though like you said very clearly and statistically, that actually our odds are not good anyway. And that's the argument that hits me the most, is that in so many areas of my life, I'm convinced that the way we've always done it is rarely the right way. One of the things you learn, if you go to any ancient practice lineage, look, we're going to die. And even when I talk to my immortalist friends, you, we're all going to die. And even when I talk to my immortalist friends, you know, those super long jiffy, I'm going to upload myself to the internet, newsflash, the universal collapsing on itself sometimes,

we're all going to die. You just have to get used to that. And a lot of people, oh, I don't want to, sorry, that's just a fact of life. The question is, how much suffering do you want to do before you die? That's really what we're doing. And for me, I actually don't like suffering. It's amazing. But discomfort is different than suffering. So if anytime you do something that makes your brain or your body evolve,

it will involve discomfort. But suffering comes when you resist the discomfort. And understanding, all right, I'm feeling a lot of emotional discomfort right now, but it doesn't mean I'm suffering, it's not struggling. It means I'm accepting and all right, it's a signal. So I'm lifting this heavy thing, I'm really sore the next day. That was the cost of growth or I'm facing my fears and I'm doing it anyway. And I feel like I'm going to shit my pants and I'm going to do it anyway.

And I'm going to see what happens. That's how our brain evolves. We're wired to do to focus on things that don't push us. Because that's biology. Well, once you decide you're gonna take charge and you're gonna push yourself, you say, all right, maybe I will live to 180. Maybe I'll live beyond 180.

Or maybe I'll just ask someone out, who I'm really afraid to ask, why the hell you afraid to ask someone out? The worst they'll do is say, no, it's the same as saying, look, do you like pizza or Chinese? If they say, I like pizza, like darn, I like Chinese, we're not compatible. It's not a judgment on you, but if you don't ask, you don't know.

But people think of all this crazy programming in their heads. I got rid of most of my crazy programming just through these processes. And I don't think I could have the power to do that if I hadn't just gotten my base biology working with food. And so we get wrapped up in all these fears and resistance things, but really the simplest, low-saying fruit here is just eat the stuff that makes your brain work. And then you'll start being comfortable pushing yourself, otherwise just too tired to push yourself. Absolutely. Let's talk about, I want to talk about the seven pillars that make us all.

But before we do that, let's talk about, because you mentioned it now, some of the foods that are good for our brain, that are basic, that anyone can start doing today. And which one's to remove, too, because we've already got the fries out. Okay. Fries and alcohol are in there. Anything deep fried. And it doesn't matter if it's brussel sprouts, sorry, especially at a restaurant. And I've got the bullproof coffee shop in LA.

It's a restaurant. I know it happens back at the house, and we don't have bad oils there, but the typical restaurant uses the same oil for a long period of time. Oxidized just plant oils are not good for us. Our cell membranes, and I go through really cool new science in superhuman.

45% of the cell membranes in your body are saturated fats. And the brain militantly holds that constant, but the amount of unsaturated fats can change dramatically between omega-3, which is more of a fish oil and omega-6, which is the plant-based ones. So if you only eat plants,

you don't get omega-3s, the kind that come from not plant-based omega-3s, those don't get omega-3s, the kind that come from not plant-based omega-3s, those don't work, unfortunately. You end up changing about 15% of your brain cells into these highly inflammatory things. So you tune the very composition of your being by choosing to kind of fat you eat. You eat french fries, your body will take damaged unnatural fats that have never been a part of your system and will try to build batteries out of those. And you'll get batteries that make half charge.

And then you walk around going, hmm, I wonder what's going on, this is just kind of how I feel. Yeah, I got a little bit of a muffin top here. But what you really have is the other muffin top in your brain. So the inflammation happens there. So a big part of what I do is, I'm eating at least half my calories from fat and usually 70%.

But I'm very careful. The fats I eat are undamaged. I eat a moderate amount of plant-based fats. I don't eat omega-6 fats much at all. You're still going to get a lot of them because they're out there. But I'm careful to get fish oil, which is really, really good for you. You can do it by eating fish. If you're going to eat fish, you want to taste something that binds mercury in the fish. And I make supplements that have specific kinds of oils that go into the brain. But the real, really good fats that come from plants, macadamia nuts, avocados, and coconut oil is one of those things where you say, all right, it's good for you. It is, to a certain extent, every kind of fat, including coconut oil,

it's a whole bunch of different types of fats mixed together, different lengths of chains of fats. And people have heard MCT oils, because I'm the guy who put MCT oils on the map, right? It turns out that 52% of coconut oil is MCT oils. So then an unscrupulous market will say, yeah, I'm selling MCT oils. Bad news, about 40% of the fat,

and that's 90% of the MCT oil in coconut oil, it's legal to call it an MCT oil, but it doesn't have the special powers for turning on your brain in mitochondria. So now you say, wait, this is labeled MCT oil and this is labeled MCT oil, but they do very different things. So yeah, you can use some coconut oil as a fat source, as a fuel source,

but you can't eat enough of it. In fact, it would take 20 pounds of coconut oil to equal one pound of the stuff that I make. And so, it's ever clearer versus weak beer. Is that how you're right? Yeah, yeah. So, it's important to say, eat some coconut oil, but a huge amount of saturated fat, like from coconut oil,

if your gut bacteria is broken, will bring toxins from your gut into your brain, into your body. So then, okay, what else do I eat? It turns out the template for this is called the Bollipura diet. It is a plate covered in vegetables. And it's really important.

It's not covered in grains, it's not covered in legumes, it's not covered in potatoes, it's covered in vegetables, okay's really important. It's not covered in grains, it's not covered in legumes, it's not covered in potatoes, it's covered in vegetables, green stuff. And it's probably not covered in kale either. And kale has a whole bunch of anti-neutrion senate, and I read about phallium, a toxic metal that accumulates better in kale than any other plant we've ever found. So we're talking broccoli, cauliflower, celery, fennel, carrots, stuff like that. And then you cover it in fat, guacamole, grass-fed butter, things like that, nuts, olives, olive oil. And I want to say cover it, you don't have to go liberal, it's not a little bit of sauce. Now you

want to soak it in that fat. And then a moderate amount of grass, fat or wild cop protein. Most people eat way too much protein from animals. And I'm talking to maybe four ounces. And the anti-aging numbers, it turns out you want to eat less meat than you think you want to eat. But if you go to zero meat, I know you're plant based. But what you end up finding is that people today, and most people listening to your show, they don't really say they care, but they don't really care about where the animal they came from. So we are supporting the death of the planet by eating industrial raised feedlot animals. I do not eat those. I never eat those. They

will make you old. They'll make you old, they'll make you fat, and they'll make you sick, they'll destroy your gut bacteria, and along the way, they're destroying the very soil of our planet. So feedlot meat is off the map, and then people say, but I can't afford it. I like, that's BS. If grass-fed meat is twice as expensive,

eat half as much, which is gonna make you live longer anyway. So your budget will not change if you do this. But what will happen is you go to a restaurant and you say, is it grass-fed? And they say, no, they say, all over the vegetarian. And then you can say, is it grass-finished? And if it's grass-fed and grass-finished, you've done the planet of favor, the animal actually let a life that it was supposed to live, and you've contributed to soil, and you eat a moderate amount of that,

and you feel really good. And one of the nutrients that's been missing, that was a huge game changer for me, was collagen. And the reason collagen is cool right now, bulletproof put that on the map. And we're now the second largest collagen brand out there. The reason collagen is so important is that for me, I had the sore threads in my knees and I always had soreness. It went away when I started eating collagen. And on that same trip to Tibet, where I discovered yak butter tea, I'd say I discovered it,

it's about a thousand of years ago, so I tried it and discovered how I felt on it. I had wrecked my knees. I had descended 7,500 feet from the Antipurna base camp area in one day. And my knees were bruised, the cartilage was bruised. I already had preexisting injuries and screws and my knees and stuff.

I couldn't walk. To go across the street to get a cup of coffee, it was like two canes and I felt like I was 100 years old. I had seven days until I was going to be able to recover enough to walk 26 miles around Mount Kailash. And I just asked a guy on the bus with me, I said, alright, can you read this Chinese menu to me? Add this little Tibetan roadhouse, the only restaurant in town, and I'm looking for collagen, because I knew from the anti-aging work I've been doing, I needed some building blocks just to fix my knees,

and you couldn't buy collagen powder back then. It plus into bed and I wouldn't have it. So I ordered the only thing on the menu that's going to work. It's a bowl of pig's ears. Now, I've never eaten that before and I know it looks like and it arrives and it's chilled and it's literally a big bowl of maybe 15 cold pig's ears and I'm just going this is really unpleasant, but I'm in pain. So I do hear I got the soup and I dip in the soup to heat them up and it's R R. Man. Crunchy. No, they were soft.

They're like steamed and just sitting there. But you know what, the next day I could walk. It was that big of a deal. My body was trying to heal and I did not have the nutrients I needed to heal. Now, I want to hear people who add collagen to their diet, whether it's in their coffee, whether it's on their things, on their food. It's a flavorless powder when it's done right or it tastes like socks if it's done wrong. What ends up happening is the pain I've had for 10 years in my ankle, my knee, my back, it just went away. And my hair is going stupidly fast.

I have to diet more often. And things like that, I hear that from women all the time. They like it though, because I want to thick her hair. They got it, but now that they're going to the salon more than they did. So those are important nutrients. And then you say, all right, there are people who are saying I want to be plant-based.

And you're one of those. Now, why are you plant-based? Is this an ethics thing or a health thing? Both. All right, got it. So ethically, as a guy who runs a 30-week organic farm with turkeys and pigs and sheep, where's the fertility in the soil

that makes your vegetables supposed to come from if we don't have animals? I mean, factory farms, four grains and corn, and things like that. What they're doing is they're taking these minerals from a mine, which this actually isn't really even a mineral nitrogen, it's a nutrient they're putting in the soil. Well, if they had animals that would come in during winter

and just crap on the soil the way they do on my farm, the soil would replenish itself and it would actually get thicker. Soil is the biggest carbon sink we have right now. It's getting thinner and thinner and thinner because we're basically over-driving the soil, but we're running out of the things we use to over-drive it. So when you go to a permaculture model,

you don't eat very much meat, but you might say ticket advantage of ghee or butter, but we're talking about one or two cows on many acres that walk around and do their job, mother nature designed sheep and cows and remnants to just walk around and do their job. Mother Nature designed sheep and cows and ruminants to just walk around munch on stuff and then poop. And they poop everywhere. It's kind of horrifying as a farmer. But I have pictures showing this part of the, I'll call it a lawn, but with the pasture, where they live, it's vibrant and green without any

water being added. And right next to it, the part where it was fenced off, it's vibrant and green without any water being added. And right next to it, the part where it was fenced off, it's gray. It's light brown. The only difference is the poop. So you think about that, go, wow, what does this mean on a global scale? It means that if we go all plant-based, the very ecosystem that has supported farms forever has always been based on animals pooping on the farm. It ends. And then we won't have nutrient-based vegetables. And you can actually pull off a vegetarian

diet and be pretty darn healthy. But the people are saying, you know, I'm never eating anything that came near an animal that they haven't thought through the system of it. And having gotten actually quite sick on a raw vegan diet, even I'm pretty well educated on how to do that, there are some vegetables that don't work for people. Right, like- It's not in the best way that don't work raw, too. Oh, yeah, exactly. And cooking is an okay technology.

So, you know, the nightshade family, things like bell peppers, for some people they work just fine, and for other people, they will wreck you. Absolutely. Right, and I'm one of those. I don't eat nightshades because I tested it. Me too, would I eat nightshades? I feel like crap. Yeah, they will wreck you. Absolutely. Right. And I'm one of those. I don't need nine chids because I tested it. I feel like crap. Yeah. Feel like crap too. Yeah. And so I would say eat mostly

like a vegan. And the fat you put on there doesn't have to be vegan fat. Yeah. But if it's industrially raised fat, shame on you. Just put it out there. Yeah. It's great. Let's let's talk about, I think that's brilliant. That's it. It's what I love about that is that I think, and this is partly education too, it's the way we make decisions are often not stretched out enough. We're not looking at the societal, community, family.

We look at things so small in one sense, of just like how it affects us and the four people around us, as opposed to how things are affecting them I feel like you're stretching our mind which is wonderful It is we should eat to feel really good all the time and we should eat to be here for hundreds of years Yeah, how do we do that? Yeah, yeah, absolutely and the planet lasting which was your point earlier of like Everything else that we're doing with factory farms is killing the planets There won't be any soil to live hence we won't last 200

Yeah, tell us about the seven pillars that make it hard. Some of you, which you've kind of told us. This is interesting. You go back 20 years, I started running and antaging on profit group. We were doing research. We had people coming in, giving lectures in Palo Alto, but we didn't really know why we were aging.

We had different ideas. And they've now been so baked in based on really good research using unimaginable DNA visualization techniques, the ability to do things that are out of Star Trek in terms of seeing inside our body. And we now know there's seven things that are making us old. And this is really important because a lot of times say, what's the one thing I could do to live a long time? It's the same thing. What's the one thing I could do to make my car last a long time? I'm pretty sure you got to rotate the tires and change the oil. Just saying. It might be a few other things, fuel filters and all that. So the seven pillars of aging are the

things that we now know are the causes of aging. And then the question is, okay, how do you avoid this, if aging is death by a thousand cuts, how do I take less cuts, how do I make the cuts less deep, and then how do I heal them like Wolverine instead of just slapping a bandaid on? And if you do that, that's the roadmap to living to 180 and feeling good along the way. So let's look at what the seven pillars of aging are. Okay. One of the first ones is telomeres. And people have oftentimes heard about this, There's all kinds of tests you can order online

that measure blood telomeres, which don't really reflect tissue levels that well. But what we do know is every time a cell divides, it basically takes one off a little string of counters. And eventually, we reach what's called the hayflick limit, a cell can't divide anymore times because it's a little counter got cut down. Well, all you got to do is find the enzyme

to Lomeray's that lets you lengthen that. And there you go. One of the seven pillars is handled. And in the book, I write about a couple things. There's a very expensive supplement. There's some lifestyle things. And there's a Russian peptide, a small string of amino acids. You can just inject twice a year that probably has a bigger effect than anything else. I like that one. It's cheaper and it's faster. Now, there's also something called zombie cells. This is just becoming an early trend in antaging, although the researchers are looking at

these, what? The technical term is senescent cells. These are cells that don't die, but they stop working. They sort of sit there and they make free radicals and they don't do anything. And as you age, you get more and more of these over time. So if you can do something like, oh, fasting, or these drugs, one called rapid-mison, that's really coming out from research. And there's a few other compounds being tested. There's another compound from seaweed or strawberries that I write about in the book that'll tell your body to kill the zombie cells, get rid of them.

And guess what's going to grow to replace them? Young cells, prove what I thought. There's extracellular stiffening, which is outside of the cells, it comes cellular straight jackets in the book. What's causing that? Well, we've all heard of beta-amoloid plaque as the cause of Alzheimer's. It's a symptom, not a cause. But throughout your body, when there's inflammation, let's go back to eating industrial meat, let's go back to eating the wrong vegetables, let's go back to eating sugar and fried stuff.

These things that cause systemic inflammation cause almost cellular level calluses or scarring. And as that builds up over the course of decades, you end up with cells that can't move the way they're supposed to. So you gotta remove the stiffening and there's a set of techniques to do that in the book. And then we look at what happens when stuff builds up inside the cells.

Imagine that inside every cell there's an incinerator. And this job was to burn garbage. Well, what happens if you have an incinerator and you aren't allowed to pull any ashes out, so you need to burn super clean. And then one day you just decide to stick a bunch of glass and metal in there. It won't burn, so the incinerator shuts down. Well, this happens inside the cells all the time. And so what if you ate less of the things and did less of the things that clogged up your

incinerators, and what if there's a way to get rid of the cells with broken incinerators? There are ways to do that. There's also extracellular garbage. So instead of inside the cell, there's junk outside the cell that builds up over time. And one of the things I just did is I just did a dialysis last week where they pull my blood out, run it through a special filter that gets rid of extracellular garbage, and then put my blood back in after it's clean. This is different than kidney dialysis. It's similar technology, but the filtration's entirely different.

It's an anti-aging technique that's just coming online. I did that up with Dr. Matt Cook who's been on my show a few times. And so I'm getting rid of this junk. That's a pretty extreme procedure. There's other things you can do, like change how what you eat is cooked. If you're eating burned, industrially raised meat, like you're so doing it wrong. Even Ben Veggie. Thank you. You have these blackened Brussels sprouts.

Stop already. You want to cook stuff with water, you want to steam it, you grill it gently if you're going to grill it. And you will find a difference in how you age, your cancer risk, how you feel, even how you look the next day. And so cooking matters as well as the quality of what you throw on the grill and the composition really matters. And the science though is that it's causing this thing to happen. There's nuclear DNA mutations. And the big one, the one that's funny because I wrote a whole book,

my New York Times bestseller sandwiched between homodous and sapiens, that book, is on mitochondria. That was when I was missing. So mitochondrial DNA mutation. The power plants in your cells, these things that sense the environment around you, make energy, make hormones change how your brain thinks. These things mutate over time. And after I wrote Superhuman, a new study came out that said, oh, when mitochondrial function declines, that they are the things that power the repair of your nucleotene. So you have cells that are the building map, the roadmap, the plans for all of the hardware in your body.

That's your nucleotene. And then you have the power plants and the wiring for it all. That's your mitochondrial DNA. And these things need to come together. It turns out when your mitochondrial DNA gets mutated over time, it mutates easily. It's no longer able to read and build cells properly based on this blueprint,

and it's no longer able to repair the blueprint. So this is a major cause of aging. And the book before Superhuman called Headstrong, I wrote about how 48% of people under age 40 have early on set energy to climb this mitochondrial decline, quantifiably measured. And everyone over age 40 doesn't make energy as well as a young person unless they hack it. And so one of the big things that you do in Superhuman when you're following the plan there

is you say, how do I make energy like a young person? And when you do that, you get the response time in your brain of a young person, and you get better skin and your cardiac function improves, and you don't get Alzheimer's disease, and you don't get diabetes, and you don't get cancer. And all those risks are actually associated with mitochondria, but it's only one of the seven pillars.

So you can say, I have the best mitochondrial function ever, and my cells are in straight jackets, and I have lots of senescent cells, you're still not going to like what happens. That's why you manage your risk on all these. And everything in this book, all seven of those things, there's here's where you do this free. Here's where you do that's the supplement level thing. Here's what the crazy billionaires are doing. And I went out of my way to do all the crazy stuff, even if I didn't really need it, as much as I could so that I could write about it

and talk to the experts, well, they were probably injecting me with whatever and get the knowledge, but also share the experience of it. And what makes me really happy is right now, people were fortunate up to go see Dr. Harry and do the $120,000 whole body six hand stamps I'll make over. He's got one that doesn't do the brain stuff that's more affordable.

And I can tell you, if you wait five or 10 years, I'm pretty sure that the costs are going to come down. But right now, for the cost to come down, it takes the very cutting-edge people. And people get really pissed like, this is just for old rich people. Look, here's a deal. Cell phones? When they first came out, 30 years ago, when you were two years old, okay, you probably don't remember this because you were two. But

you'd see the Mercedes 300, the entire trunk was the cell phone transmitter. And it's got this big old brick on his head and he's driving down the freeway and L.A. talking on the phone and all the other people in the car said, what does that asshole think he has? Oh my God, these stupid rich people on their cell phones. Okay, these are the same people, you know, playing Tetris on their phone or whatever. But what happened is the man comes first, everything is stupidly expensive because it's the cutting edge of innovation,

the fastest computers. When I was eight years old, I had a computer that cost $5,000. It was a hammy down for my dad because he worked on the industry. It was before Windows was invented, before DOS was invented. And no one had that when they were eight,

but I was like, I didn't even know what I had. This weird little green blinky thing, right? But now we all have that. And these anti-agent technologies over the course of the next 10 years, 20 years, will come down to cost dramatically because they're being funded by people who are willing to basically spend everything they have to get another couple years of quality life.

And all of us at a certain point in our life, no matter how much or how little we have, if you're facing death, you say, you know what, I'm willing to make that bargain. And what I want is I want for everyone listening to the show to benefit from when a few wealthy people do that right now. And it is good for the world, it's good for everyone. And the costs will drop just like computer processors drop. Yeah, right. Well, I am happy, though, and I appreciate the fact

that you do go into lifestyle changes here, too. It's like, it's all three. Yeah, that's what I mean. And I think that's really, really important. I like both. Because I think it is so important. Like what you're saying, it's when it's wisdom and science, it's lifestyle and it's these stem cell changes, right?

It's both levels because it's all levels of change. Because if we're not changing our mindset, we're not gonna change our behavior and if we're not changing our biological behavior, we can't change our psychological effect. So I like to hope that someday we're gonna have such good and affordable technology that all of us can be, you know,

I went on the Cheesecake diet for a year, and you know, I went on a huge series of inappropriate dates, and I picked up all these weird diseases, and I've got this huge tumor. I'm just gonna go into the doctrine for five bucks, I'm gonna reset, and I'm gonna come out as a subject and hold again. Okay, maybe this will happen, I kind of don't think so,

but I would like to think that our technologies are good enough that you could be that stupid. I also would like- You do make it a bit too reckless? There was data that shows that we adjust our risks. So when seat belts came out, people started driving faster. Yes, exactly.

That's what I mean, yeah. But you know what? It's okay that there's risk in life. Who wants to live in a risk-free world? Risk not reckless. Yeah. So what I think will happen though, is when you realize, you know what,

if I make a mistake like that, I can recover from it. I'm more likely to do something, but how good of a world is that? You mean, I could possibly do something that's more fun, more exciting, more risky or more worthy, right? And if I come near dying, I know I'm gonna be okay.

That's profound, versus right now I'm too afraid because I might die. I want to create that world without fear, but a world that still has risk. And that's necessary. Yeah, and I vibe with that, the part where I always, and I guess this is always a small percentage of people,

but it's the part that it's like, yeah, how much can you risk without hurting anyone else? I think that's what pain to me is interesting, because it's like, I'm like that. I'm like, yeah, I want to, you know, live to extremes and limits and test the barriers, but never at the cost of hurting other people. And I wonder whether you, when you can reset,

there's that risk of like, oh, they can reset too, you know? And we all know that people, just as people age differently, they also age emotionally differently. They also deal with trauma differently. They also deal with tragedy differently. They all to deal with tragedy differently. It's funny. People over 50s surprisingly show more happiness.

I've studied happiness, given big lectures on it and wrote about it in game changers. They actually show they've actually had enough time to deal with their shit. And this is the horrible tragedy of being human. If you have children before you're 25, especially as a woman, your lifelong risk of every kind of cancer goes down, you're health will improve your lives of living longer growth. It's actually really good for you. The problem is that for 25-year-olds to have kids,

you haven't had enough time to build up a financial base, and you also haven't had enough time to deal with your emotional shit. So now you're going to have kids, and you probably won't be a great parent because you haven't had a chance to do your your emotional shit. So now you're going to have kids and you probably won't be a great parent because you haven't had a chance to do your own work. Right? You're still finishing separating from all the programming from your parents and all. So you're saying, all right, I'm going to wait till I'm in my 30s and I have a financial base.

But now having kids is harder on my body, right? It's harder on the family. So it's like, damn, if you do, damn, if you don't. And it's one of the reasons that the birth rate is going down. People are saying, I'm going to choose just not to do it. I'm going to choose to wait a long time and sometimes they wait too long. But part of it is what you just talked about there. Absolutely.

Is there anything I haven't asked you today that you're like, David, you're like, Jay, I really want your audience to know this. So I really wanted to talk about this, whether it's, you know, yeah, it could be anything. I mean, there's so many other places we could go with this, but I just want to give you the one issue. One of the things we haven't talked about a lot is cognitive enhancement. Okay, this is something I've done for 20 plus years,

new tropics, the reason Modaphanel is kinda cool, you've looked back 10 years, I went on nightline. I was the only guy who would do without a bag on my head. And so yeah, I went to Warden, I was on Modaphanel the whole time, it's the only way I could even get my MBA and still work full time and all that. And it's one of many things like that.

I just want to say it is well within our current technology to increase your IQ and increase your mental performance across all kinds of measures. There's natural plant-based compounds and animal-based compounds you can use that will help you. And I write about this stuff on my blog and dvaspre.com. There's pharmaceuticals that are proven to work and every month or so, you'll see some big article saying, experts say these can't work. I mean, experts who didn't read the goddamn research

because I put it in my book. And there's five studies that show that you can type 15% faster on this stuff. If it doesn't work, how can this be possible? So we know that these things work. And I don't know what's motivating the people who will look you in the face and lie to you and say that they doesn't work, how can this be possible? So we know that these things work. And I don't know what's motivating the people who will look you in the face and lie to you and say that they don't work

because they do in some circumstances and they might work for you, but they might not. And you owe it to yourself to find out if you want to do that. And then there's technologies, breathing and meditation being the two cheapest and most accessible. And then there's the neurofeedback stuff that I'm doing at 40 years is then and we can talk about my funky glasses. Yeah.

Companies called TrueDark. The company I founded. And I will tell you, I have doubled my deep sleep by using the glasses I made for sleep. I couldn't buy them. And we're about how that works. You have 5% of the cells in your eyes receive a light signal that you never see. It goes around your visual cortex into the timing system in your brain. And you can look at your body like a computer. There's quadrary and little tiny compute nodes that are called mitochondria, and they need to work on the same clock. Because if the ones in your liver think it's daytime and the ones in your brain think it's nighttime, they don't match up.

So this light comes in and it tells your brain what to do and it spreads the signal throughout the body. Well, the glasses that I make for sleep with TrueDark, it's a patented set of frequencies. These are all of them. It's not just blue blocking. That's not enough. Blue blocking is too much during the day and not enough at night. These are the ones that keep you awake.

See where these glasses? I can fly to New York. I got no gel lag at all. It eliminated gel lag for my life. And I get more sleep now in six hours, more quality sleep than the average 20 year old gets in eight hours of sleep. And I publish the actual numbers in here in superhuman how to do it.

So who would have thought the color of light as a variable that matters? Only by measuring, seeing what works and understanding the fundamental wiring of our body, can you create something like that? So, for me, I'm wearing these glasses now. These are called the Trudarch Daywalkers. And what these are doing is they're blocking some blue light, which means my brain works

better all day because a lot of the interior lighting we have today creates brain stress. So by the five o'clock you want sugar and you're tired. I don't like that. I don't do that anymore. So we'll into walk around looking like a rock star. And tell us what sugar does. You talk about fried and fried sugar and sugar. Sugar is bad news. You eat it and it creates some called advanced glycation in products. Guess what clogs up those incinerators in the cells?

It's advanced glycation in products. So you're basically browning the tissues in your body. You're increasing your risk of almost every disease, especially cancer and especially cardiovascular. And half of what's in sugar is fructose and half is another kind of sugar, sucrose. Actually glucose, my sucrose is glucose plus fructose. But anyway, fructose is what causes non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. So if we were to look at everyone's liver in the room right now, there's a pretty good chance that there's a pretty good chance that there's some fatty liver going on.

And if you're on an exclusively plant-based diet that doesn't have any saturated fat for animals, your risk actually goes up a little bit. But see, look at non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, it's caused by sugar. So if you don't eat sugar, it doesn't work. And what's interesting, you see this little weird puck shaped on my arm?

Yeah, yeah, I can't believe that. I have a continuous glucose monitor on right now. I'll find sleeper on that one. And we'll see if my shirt's loose enough. It is. So. I had your shirt off in my suit. Yeah, right.

So I think, oh, it's got your face on it. Yeah, I did that. It was a joke. So it didn't have to have my face on it. But this comes on every 14 days I put on the other arm and you can wave your phone or a little device over it and it'll actually tell you what your blood sugar is. Oh, I love that. And you created this. No, no, this is just a type one diabetic. Oh, it's just a no, it's okay. But now I want to know what sugar does to me. So I have this

little device and I can wave it over this and say it's at 5.2, that's Canadian or European units. So this is around 100. And it's in the middle of the day, and the line's perfectly flat. So I can tell you, I didn't eat something in cause of blood sugar spike. The odds are that if after your next meal, if you have one of these on, wait, you're going to see

your blood sugar go up to 140, 150. If it's a typical vegan meal. Now, if you were to say, I'm not a typical vegan, I'm eating a plate of green vegetables and I'm not putting grains on it. I'm not putting a lot of the gooms, maybe a little bit. And I'm putting a ton of olives and avocados and seeds and all that stuff.

Kind of how we, yeah. Good deal. If you're doing that, my wife is the ex-bino, okay. You'll see if it works because if your blood sugar spikes, that newsman, it's not working. So I've been able to tune what is fasting, do, and all that. That's so cool. It's database. And now I know what is low blood sugar feel like I don't get it very often. But when I get it, I know why. And I can also show

you if you get crappy sleep, you will have no ability to control your blood sugar. If you have emotional stress in your life, you eat the same food and your blood sugar. It's crazy. Yeah. So that's the latest hack I'm working on. Absolutely. And I love what you just said that because we know that when we're stressed, we tend to sugars, we tend to carbs, we tend to fats. Like that's what we do.

What do you do when you're stressed? When I'm stressed, mostly I meditate on the blood of my enemies. Sorry. Sorry. What are you acting to do? I'll usually, it's meant to like the type of stress. It's usually breathing or meditation.

Okay. So that's it. Yeah. There's some energetic stuff that I've picked it up done and all sorts of interesting training in other countries. There's usually things I can do there. And there's this amazing thing you can do. It's called call a friend.

If that's not called a therapist. It's pretty remarkable, because then you can talk through someone who really understands the ideology of stress. And you can be that for your friends too. It's just hard to see it. I'm not gonna see the big picture sometimes, because I'm human, unfortunately.

No kidding. But the problem is that if you don't have someone like that in your life, or your friends are afraid to really tell you, actually, you really are an asshole half the time, but I'm still friends with you. It's really hard to have someone tell you that. It is, huh?

So a therapist job is like, actually, you need to own this 100%, you're blaming the other person, you're just being a childish little jerk and you need to put your pants on the right way this morning. And then you're going to have to do the introspection. So you got to have someone like that in your life. And so if I'm feeling super stressed and I can't figure out why, that really doesn't happen to me anymore. But if I'm feeling super stressed and I think I know why and I can't figure it out with

friends, I'll call a therapist, I'll call a psychologist and I don't have necessarily regular sessions maybe once a month and I'll just check in and then I'll say, you know, I'm having this hard time with this thing and it's really like it's causing stress, which is very unusual. I don't experience normal stress, like normal people because I hacked all my stress responses. And then we figure out, all right, it's usually, and this is a key thing. It's a false belief. So you are acting rationally in your feelings make sense if what you believe to be true is true.

It's just bad assumptions. And those false assumptions lead us to terrorism. I think terrorists were crazy. No. If you believe what they believe their behavior is rational. Right. The beliefs are wrong. And so if your beliefs are wrong, your emotions will be broken. And that's what a psychologist, a really good one or a therapist can help you see, is that you assume something wrong, which is why you got in this jam. So let's change your assumptions and then you say, oh, and then the pain or the stress melts away because you changed the world you live in. Absolutely.

I feel like I've been talking to the real life Iron Man. Have you ever been told that? Don't tell anyone. Have you ever been told that? Yeah. People have said that. I mean, I've got my little black. Yeah, I like it.

It's cool. Yeah, it's awesome. I just, I want to, I want to feel good all the time. I know. I love, yeah. I was blessed with feeling like I was old and literally I had the diseases of aging before I was 30. High risk of stroke and heart attack, pre-diabetes, arthritis, all that crap.

I don't want to go back to that. Like I know what it's like. Absolutely. I'm not going to get old the way, the way people expect because it's just sucks too much. Absolutely. So Dave, we end every interview with the final five, which is a rapid fire question round. One word or one sentence answers Max. You ready?

Okay, awesome. So question number one, what's the lesson you find hard to teach others? How to stop being vegan? It's not hard. Sorry, I just had to say something. Yeah, tell us something that genuinely is hard. Well, maybe not hard. Sorry, I just had to say that. Yeah, tell us something that genuinely is hard. Well, maybe it is hard.

That actually is a really hard lesson. Yeah, it's hard. A lesson that it's hard to teach others is that there are layers of abilities and powers and energies that they have that they've never seen. It's just hard to believe. Absolutely. Okay. Second question. What's one thing you were once certain of

that you recently changed your mind on? I was once certain that the less you could sleep, the better, because sleep is such a big waste of time. Oh yeah, God, I used to have everyone too. I sleep my eight and a half hours a night. Yeah, sleep quality, man. I've become a sleep advocate over the past few years as I looked at the data.

I still sleep as little as I can, but my sleep is really good. Yeah. That was a big change. That's a great point. Yeah. Okay, question number three. What's something about you that most people don't know that would surprise them? I was once I was once been my vampire bat. What? In Colorado. They don't even live there, but I woke up when I was a kid with a vampire about feeding on my neck. You being serious? I'm very told.

Oh, you'll be serious. I can't believe you. Yeah, no, it's a real species. They hypothesized they came in on bananas. This is pre-internet, but we actually caught the bat and took them to hospital. Oh, wow. It was just like that thing. Not very big.

But yeah, it was kind of scary. We woke up in the middle of the night. It was just feeding. And I didn't know what it was. Oh, wow. It's like that big. Not very big. But yeah, it was kind of scary. We'll cook a meal the night. It was just feeding. And I didn't know what it was. And I grabbed it and I did what I was a mouse. And it wasn't. And it hit me and I threw it down and never hits the floor. It was really creepy. But yeah, that actually happens. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I mind. I had a bad experience, but it came in literally like it was, I was in India and put it in a giveaway, landed on my face. I was in the years old. And I literally just pushed it off, like it didn't bite me or anything, but it literally flew in landed on my face.

It was my bad, my bad, my bad. They carry a lot of diseases too, not just rabies. Interesting. OK, all right, question number four. What's something you once valued that you no longer pay attention to? When I was young, I really valued actually two things.

One was being rich. I made $6 million dollars and I was 26 and I lost or not was 28. And I could tell or not was 26. I said, I'll be happy when I have $10 million dollars. And so $6 million, which is a super dick thing to say. So that fascination with when I have more money, I'll be happy. I have lost that. And you can say, it's because you have enough.

That's true. You need about 74,000 a year. But I can say that that obsession with it, no. Above a certain level, it's just about what would you do with money to make the world a better place? Because you can't spend it. It would be stupid. So that's one.

The other one is, it has to do with, like wanting to be famous and recognized. And I was 23. I was in an entrepreneur magazine because I sold the first thing that was ever sold over the internet. And it was a caffeine t-shirt that caffeine ran drug of choice. The first e-commerce before the word e-commerce was out there. No one knew what a big deal it was historically.

For me, it was just being scrappy and trying to pay my college tuition. But I was like, look at me. I'm in a magazine. There's a big picture of me and it might double XL T-shirt and, you know, puffy red face. And I just realized after 15 minutes of that, it didn't do anything. Like all of the, oh, I'm going to be recognized. There's no value in that. And I'm going to be enormously wealthy. There's some value in that, but not very much. So for me, it's like the rich and famous thing. It's about your mission and those things, whatever. Well, thank you for thinking through. I love that answer.

Okay. Sorry. That wasn't one sentence. It was a great answer. I was happy you went off on it. This is the first time we're ever asking this question as a final five. So you get to answer this. I'm excited to ask you this question. If you could create any law for the world to follow, what would it be? I like be kind would be a really good one. But the really amazing law would be the law that limited the number of words in the entire set of laws in the country. Okay, fair enough. Thank you Dave. You're also, you're even more fascinating person than I could ever imagine. Oh, thanks. And I really hope I'm a student now. I actually want to come to you from a million different things and a million different personal questions. Well, we'll just smoke Chris. So yeah, no, I would love that. I think you've you've opened up my mind to a whole new set of thoughts and beliefs today. And I've heard people talk

about a lot of these things here and there when I've been at conferences and meetings and events and one-on-ones, but you've done something else that's happened today. So I'm, yeah, I mean that. So I would highly recommend everyone who's been watching or listening today, please, please, go out in the book. We just skimmed the surface, but we dove into a few of the themes and topics that you'll find in depth in the book. And more importantly, the lifestyle points as well. Please, please, go out in the book. We just skim the surface, but we dove into a few of the themes and topics that you'll find in depth in the book. And more importantly, the lifestyle points as well. Remember, tons of free advice, tons of things you can start doing right now, fries and sugar, a good place to start. But Dave, thank you so much. You've been an incredible guest and on purpose. And yeah, very grateful to have you here.

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