On Purpose with Jay Shetty - Jordan Belfort: ON Being The Wolf Of Wall Street - How To Spot Limiting Beliefs & Changing How You Define Success

Episode Date: December 30, 2019

On this episode of On Purpose, I sat down with Jordan Belfort. Jordan is an American author, motivational speaker, and former stockbroker. Jordan’s best-selling book The Wolf of Wall Street was made into an Oscar-nominated film directed by Martin Scorsese and starring Leonardo DiCaprio. Jordan shares what stops intelligent people from making money, creating entrepreneurial opportunities for himself at 12-years-old, why we acquire limiting beliefs and not buying into the hype of money & fame. Text Jay Shetty 310-997-4177 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And like, oh, you're through all of this. And you adopt it. The thing is, I always say is that your brain, we're not born with spyware. And these limiting beliefs that get inserted in us almost, right? It's like, unless you're really aware, you don't have to, you don't have a natural protection against those limiting beliefs. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to On Purpose. I'm genuinely so grateful that you take out

time, energy from your day to listen, learn and grow. Remember, I'm trying to help you master self, work and love. And every week, I invite guests that I think are going to help us uncover new solutions, think about new ideas and push us towards deeper thought. And you know what I'm like? I love bringing guests onto the show that are going to challenge the way we think, that have lived very different lives from me, that we can dive into and learn from their experiences. And today's guest is someone I'm really excited to have, because I've been wanting to have

this conversation for at least, I think about maybe nine years. So for me, it's a big moment to have this guest today sitting here at the podcast. And he has none other than number one sales trainer in the world, the best selling author of the iconic book and of course movie, The Wolf of Wall Street and the new host of The Wolf's Den Podcast, which I highly recommend you check out,

welcome Jordan Belford. Jordan, thank you so much for being here. Pleasure. So I have a story to tell you. That's yeah. When I was speaking about philosophy, science, spiritual, all of these things, when I got involved at the age of 18 in this world,

so since the past 13 years, someone's video came across me, that video was yours. And I saw one of your videos where people had been glamorizing the life that you lived, having seen the Wolf of Wall Street, read the book, and you in that interview in the most humble, nice way we're talking about how you didn't want other people to go ahead and do this thing. And I actually did a talk which was based on the Wolf of Wall Street at a university in London, at the London School

of Economics. Really? And I used clips from interviews by you to share this incredible point of how you had changed your views of success. I think I've been fascinated with you. Well, I think that, you know, the problem, not a problem, the reality is that some of the stuff that I, that when you see it on screen, it's, it, it, they don't glamorize it. It's glamorous. It just is. And the problem is is when you try to take something and, you know, you say, oh, it's

glamorizing, you know, in blame Marty Scorsese, I think it takes away because I think there's a lot to learn. And as I said, I don't want people living that life. I was young and they did it at the time. It made sense to me then because people do crazy things, right? But I think that on most levels, when kids, and I'm really for young people, right, they watch the movie, I think most people get it. I think the vast majority say, wow, I love some of the stuff that camaraderie, I love the

money he made, the entrepreneurial spirit, like, training the salesman, or his kids coming from nothing. And I think it's smart enough to know that, you know, I'd love to have that thrill, but I don't want to go into the public. People lose money or people lose their souls for a while seriously. Where, you know, with all the drugs, I mean, I was, you know, disaster from my life, right? So I, it bothers me sometimes, I think, when like, when I think the new media almost makes it amplifies that

by trying to condemn it, rather than taking it for what it really is, which is, hey, here's what, you know, this really good and is really bad. Like, most things are in in the gang, right? So, yeah, I mean, I, I feel a responsibility. No, I do, because, you know, I don't want people that are in the teens, right? So yeah, I mean, I feel a responsibility. No, I do, because I don't want people that are in the teens and 20s. I want to be like, that's not what you want to do,

but there's a lot to be learned from it. Absolutely, no, I completely agree. And I want to go back to the beginning. I was reading somewhere that you actually set out to want to be a dentist, which I know, a lot of my friends back in London who are dentists right now are going to be inspired by your story. Tell me how that was an aspiration and then how it's changed. So basically, he wasn't that I wanted to be a dentist, I wanted to be rich. I always wanted to be rich.

I did. I came from a poor family, not very poor, but low middle class, right? And my uncle was a dentist and he had a lot of money. My mother, since I was two years old, sitting in the high chair, she's like spoon feeding me applesauce, like the only no-way to wealth is you gotta be a doctor. It's like for a candidate, no, it's just right. It's like they insert that belief in you, I'm sure, but you know, the belief systems, right? So you're hearing that.

So when I was 20 years old, graduating from college, she would have asked me what I wanted to do. I'd say, I want to be rich for a living. It wasn't like I didn't know what I wanted to do, like most young people. So I said, well, if I go to medical schools, they're very good students.

And I go to medical school 10 more years, I'll go crazy. And I'll be a dentist. Four more years, we docked the belt for it, right? And it'll all be good. So I apply, I get into my first day of dental school. So Baltimore College of Dental Surgery in Maryland, right? So the dean stands up, he's like,

in his white head, guy, white jacket, very dental looking, I got, wow, that's a dentist, right? I'm looking around the audience, a hundred kids, everyone's pretty bright eyed and bushed. I'm like, okay, so far so good. So the dean's like, you know, welcome to the Baltimore College of dental surgery. You'd be proud to be here.

Dentistry's an amazing profession and blah, blah, blah. Okay, he goes, but let me say this, the golden age of dentistry is over. You hear to make a lot of money? You're probably in the wrong place. I'm like, I'm like, excuse me, I got up and I walked out the first day. And I dropped out. And I couldn't bear to tell my mom.

She's like, how's school? I was pretty good. And then I find my money around. I had to go back home. That's how I ended up getting into the world of sales and ultimately Wall Street. Yeah, I get the story. Yeah, no, I get that. I grew up, I always said this.

I grew up having three choices to be a doctor, a lawyer, or a failure. You're right. To my family and extended family. And those were my three. Very similar to my family. Yeah, that's same. I came from that lower middle class family.

My brother's a lawyer, my mother's a lawyer. Yeah, so all my cousins, the doctors, literally every single one of them. Maybe one's a pharmacist, but that was the culture. It's a black sheep with the family. Exactly, exactly. How did you find that when you were breaking out to do something different?

And I don't want to go into the goal yet, but just your process where you saw people, lawyers around you, but you were breaking away from that. Was that something that was easy to do for you because your goal was so set, or was it difficult at first to say? Oh, no, no, it was something that was easy to do for you because your goal was so set, or was it difficult at first to say? Oh, no, no, it was something that was always part of me. In other words, from a really young age,

I was one of those, the kids that had the lemonade stand. At the age of eight, I was knocking on doors with a paper out, expanding my paper out of the age of 10, I used to shovel driveways after snowstorms in New York, like 20 bucks a pop. At 12, I saw David Copperfield on TV and so I want to be a musician. I went to three children's parties and I actually

hit it really big at 16. I started selling ice's blanket to blanket on a massive beach called Jones Beach in New York, right? So I went there and I started making about $200, $400 per day. I was 16 to 70s, yeah, in the 70s, which is like over a thousand a day now. And that changed my life. Once I started making that, and I had a lot of money as a kid, my teens, I linked up in my mind, I just believed, because I watched my parents struggle.

You know, they're brilliant people, all right, hardworking, educated, and broke. I'm like, wait a second, I'm like, what's missing from this picture? I'm like, why a second. I'm like, what's missing from this picture? Why would two, a hardworking people, wildly educated, right? With Korea, I'd be on with degree. Why would they not make money? And I saw a couple of things that I thought really were instrumental. Number one was the sort of, you know, no risk taking. They were risk of a verse completely depression, air mentality. That was number one. Number two, they thought that things like sales

and persuasion and marketing were inherently evil. There was something wrong with it. So because of that, they never tried to market their skills or sell them. People saw they worked for other people for a paycheck. And then also they would never, they even bought a home. They want they just is very depression, and they were wonderful, amazing parents. So I saw those things and I think what happens with most people is that you grow up

and you see your parents please, and if you adopt them, well you go the exact opposite way. I went the exact opposite way and it always did. So it was not a leap. That it was like just, it was actually a blip to go to dental school but it was mostly got a confusion I think.

And I was like, I like, I also, because I was a girl in balls, right? So my, it's always a girl. It's always something about, I can trace back to every mistake made to a girl some five years old. I've scarred my, my four idea for like, where a girl was chasing a rant to a brick wall. So it's always for the, yeah, they were chasing the other guy worse over time. Right. And now I finally got the best woman in the world is my amount for the last 11 years. And my life's infinitely better for cause of it, right? That's amazing.

But no, no, seriously, I'm like girlfriend. She was still in DC. I was like, oh, I'll be near her for one day, yeah. And we broke up of course right after my graduate. No way, I love that. Why do you think it is? Those two things you brought up. Why do you think it is that we have this inherent belief that sales persuasion negotiation marketing are evil?

Like where does that come from? I think that, first of all, there was, if you go back to the 60s, especially, right? It's the time when there was this sort of counter-culture was coming of age in the hippie mark. And, you know, if you go back like madmen, perfect example, did you watch Mad Men? Yeah. Real Madmen was go back like mad men, perfect example, do you watch men, you watch the city? Yeah. Real mad was always just like,

oh, you're an ad guy. It was like, it was a, so back in the 60s, right? I'm not, so that was pretty accurate. And in my eyes, I was always like, oh, it's like the lowest thing you're an ad guy. You're, you know, what do you do? You manipulate people, right?

And I think the world is evolved somewhat right now. And but that was a big part. My parents, you know, then if you have a door to door salesman London, we do have. Yeah, right. So a lot in you know, when the door to door salesman, we're knock on my door. It was like, get out the shotguns, the filler brush man. They want made parents hate it sales people, you know. And I my mother thought there was something, my mother's

very not that she's spiritual because she's not. She's religious a little bit, but it's more about customs and natural spirituality. But my mother is something about, in her mind, it's sales and mocking is related with being shallow and not depth. And the problem with that is that selling something and the product itself having depth are not mutually exclusive. In other words, you can advertise and sell an amazing product that gives people great benefits and amazing value and then it's congruent to know what's some thing or you caned up as a blanket and I think in any aspect of life,

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Oh, there's always a bad... Right. So either you had the experience? Or your friend. Someone told you about the experience, you saw it, you heard it, so we developed beliefs. You know, either we experienced it ourselves, it could be something where your parents just money is the root of all evil. And they're like, oh, you're through it. Oh, I guess so.

And you adopt it. The thing is, I always say is that your brain, we're not born with spyware. And these limiting beliefs that get inserted in us almost, right? It's like, unless you're really aware, you don't have to, you don't have the natural protection against those limiting police, because what happens is very often is,

you'll take an action, right? And the action doesn't get you a good result. That's when you're young, because you don't have the strategies yet, you don't have the way we're low, right? Maybe you were in a disinpowered state of the time, or you know, so you get a bad result. So what happens is you get a bad result,

and then that's the result. What does that really mean? Well, a result only has meaning based on the language that we applied to it. So you apply meaning to a result and you could say, okay, I tried something and I failed. What's the meaning of that? I'm terrible at that. I should never do that felt bad.

So because when you have a negative result, it feels bad. So what ends up happening is if you typically will fall into a disempowered emotional state, like you'll negativity fear, right? Self-loathing, right? And then you'll say, like for me, it's our artist you're drawing. When I was in kindergarten, I tried to draw a bowl of fruit and all the kids around and the teacher, Mrs. Roskin, and she said, I still remember her name, right? She's the girl I look at. The-oh, the girl drew this beautiful bowl. And my mind was looked like it was someone sneezed on the paper. So Mrs. Roxas and she goes, Oh, Lisa,

what a beautiful picture. Lisa is such a budding vango. Then she looks, she goes, she puts a Jordan, he just knocking every, you're just gonna be good in math and science. And I'm like, oh, and that's, and just like that, right? I feel bad. So what does it do next time I go to draw, I'm like, and that's just like that, right? I feel bad.

So what does it do next time I go to draw, I get nervous, or you don't typically do things you're not naturally good at, so your potential gets cut off. Like you're real born on day one, I believe, most of us with, you know, unless obviously you'll have, let's, everyone's got certain natural born talents, but generally speaking, we're born with this amazing pure potential. And then we start taking actions and basing the results we get. If we get a good result, we say, oh, wow, that feels good. Let me practice that. Let me do it more. Let me learn a strategy. You get it. And it's a self-reinforcing loop that turns you into something that's proficient at something and you get great at it.

And if you get a bad result, right, it's the opposite. So I think that's a lot of it, you know. Absolutely. And having been someone who's, you know, when I look at your life and your journey, you've been in parts of your life where there are things that you have deep substance in than you're sharing them. And we also see plenty of people online today who aren't necessarily selling things that they're genuinely experts in or learning. And so you see that again, too. And I mean, you even see the worst. Like, I just want to address this for my podcast audience, the amount of people that have fake J-Shetty profiles right now, and I mean, you even see the worst. Like, I just wanna address this for my podcast audience. The amount of people that have fake J-Shetty profiles right now. And I'm trying to scam my audience,

and I'm sure you've actually been deaf. I got this thing, I actually even have Mark Cuban about it, because I got some swingles, hey, check. Yeah, I know this is not here. You need to address this. It was someone, I scrumptly wrote an article on Facebook, and it was saying that Jordan, don't for just, just got out of shock

Tiger and mock Cuban. They went partners on a new currency trade system and everyone's and it was a whole thing with senior money here to invest. And I'm like, what does I email Mark? You didn't go, dude, it's crazy shit. All right. So basically, you know, I mean, it's really annoying, you know, and I can't count the number of, I guess it's going to be something very, it's very fun. And not but still it's still unfortunate. And this is my thing like I feel to compassion to people who have to even want to do people like that. I'll tell you, it's even more, I think problematic. It's not so much the J Shetty fake profiles. I think people will quickly know who's J Shetty who's not, right? And I think that's less true

people who, when you cross with a certain point, people know who you are, right? The problem is is the people who are not J. Shetty, but who are teaching things, pretending to have the same knowledge and wisdom as a J. Shetty, but haven't done the work, haven't lived the life, and are authentic about it, never girded your things and they read in the book, and they really don't have a basis for what they do. So they give a water down typically self-serving version that's designed to sell people products. And that's destructive. And I hate that. Like with all these free webinars, the free webinar and it's like design that just to separate people from their money. I mean, that's the really destructive part is they will, the latch on to you and and the target like Chris is okay. You got a Facebook

custom audience. Everyone likes Jay Shetty. Do you know that answer you know I'll have people who should self-help I and then don't talk about a sort of a water down bogus self-sorting message that results And ultimately I'm sending them 10,000 dollars to go through the through the the and Shetty master course And that's the even worse I think Because I'm in sales training and it's only terrible. Oh my god And then just like and they they're they're expert at marketing not a sales training and they use that You know exactly what have you learned like you've gone from that that journey of you saying I want to be rich

Like you know, I want to be rich when I grow up. That's that's the deadline to having gone from having everything Yeah, having nothing building it all back up again like tell me where in that journey was there any fulfillment or a period of like, yeah, this, you know, I've done something now and where was the journey of? Okay, so what I will tell you is that interesting. So I, you know, we very quickly started, we quickly told your story, right? And I was laughing, because you know,

I said, I said, what motivated you to go? You said, well, I saw my friends that were rich and best of baddies and most of them are miserable. That was me. I was seriously, when I was flying high, and this is what I, this is what I try to say about, you know, the glamorizing, the drug use, you know, happy people don't do 20 quail eggs a day. And so not enough cocaine to a ski jump off of you. It's like, it's not a happy person, right? If I could go back in time, I would, I would definitely

eliminate that from my life. I wouldn't, because I can't look back at one experience that was enhanced by, I wouldn't. So I, let me rephr my life, I wouldn't, because I can't look back at one experience that was enhanced by, I wouldn't, so let me rephrase that, I wouldn't change anything I did like that, because that's my life and it brought me to where I am now, I don't look, it's the way to live, but if I could whisper in my young self, see I'd say slow down,

it's not a great way to live, right? And thankful I'm still alive. But I think for me, I didn't do what you did. You made, you took, you know, it's like that old movie with like, you know, Mr. Destiny, you went left, I went right, I did pursue Wall Street, and I think it's very easy to lose your soul there. And I don't think it's, I don't think it's wrong

with Wall Street, per se, as much as the idea that on Wall Street, you're not building typically or creating things. You're trading or the ingenuity of others. And so when you're done as a broker or an investment banker, what do you have to show for it other than money falls out of the bottom of it? So the money has no meaning to it. So in order to give the money, meaning you try to buy things

to have value, tangible value, to what's an intangible number in your bank account. So you have those compulsion to buy things. So in the beginning, let me buy a big house. Oh wow, it feels good for two weeks. Let me buy a second house. Let me buy a plane, right? And you get this material trip,

and then next thing you know, you're on that treadmill where you almost can't go back to that, because you're not supporting a lifestyle you've grown accustomed to, right? And on top of that, then even worse than that is the fact that I think many people, and I was like, so I can always speak for myself, but if many people, I believed, I went into, I left my adolescence and it came into adulthood very insecure. With a lot of wounds from my adolescence and insecurities. And but I always said to myself,

I know it's okay that I don't feel good inside, I don't feel all, but once I get rich, then I'll feel great. But then I got rich and I felt exactly the same and that's when panic sets in. See, you see it's a lot with my own theory, at least, that a lot of these like young stars that blow up, they go crazy. Why? Because when you're chasing success and you don't feel good inside, you're like, okay, I shouldn't feel good inside because I'm going, going

at them and I don't have it when I get there, then I'll feel good. So you can rationalize out, saying, I'm not confident right now. I'm not happy and I don't feel whole, but I'm not I'm struggling I shouldn't right and then you become more famous than you believed in more and then you're like, uh-oh I'm still the same guy just with more money and that's when panic sets in so what do you do? Let me take a pill to feel better because I can't feel like this anymore I don't like and that's the disaster of it all that's not happened to me Yeah, and and what happens it once it starts is to then talk about self-affilling cycles I can't feel like this anymore. And that's the disaster of it all. I think that that happened to me. And what happened was that once it started,

just then talk about self-affilling cycles, right? So if that are in itself and if that are in itself, and I had some talents and I invented a way of training sales people and it was beautiful in the beginning and it got so corrupt. So I can honestly say to you, I was never happy. I was never truly, I had happy moments. I had fun.

I had a great time. I was never genuinely happy. Of course, like the day my daughter was born, I was happy and could never be happy and love them. And then not, again, I'll use the word I'm mutually exclusive, they're not. I sure. You could have these things you love in the door,

but not, I didn't feel whole, so to speak, right? I don't think I really ever felt whole. until I lost all my money, went to jail, came out and met my current wife. Wow. And I learned more from her because she lived more like you. And she's this amazing woman, very much like your, like, so is she, if she's a beautiful, she could have had anything, she could have any guy, and she's single mom, and she just, and came from a wealthy family, and she took,

but until the very old steel life and stayed true to her values, and you could agree with her values, not but it was true to her. And she had all the securities too, like everybody else, but I, from her, and there was this sort of trust and mutual respect that it allowed me, and I already made a shift,

and I don't think it's always a series of trust and mutual respect that it allowed me. And I really made a shift. I don't think it's always a series of shifts. Of course, right? But that was in between the final nail and the cloth of me of coming to person. I try to be today and feel congruent with is that I just first I finally felt like I truly was happy, had someone that understood me and that would never let me down. Like we could fight, but that would, you know, a real pawn in the ring like a soulmate. So that's right. Well, that's beautiful, man. Thank you for sharing.

I'm lucky, you know, because I had a lot of women that that, you know, like I, you know, I probably went to the wrong type of woman, you know, the old pickaxe in the show, like looking for prospecting for gold, you know, like the gold. And again, it might have been fun. But I think when you, wow, it's, you know, it's always saying the things that make sense to me, 25 don't make think when you, wow, it's always the things that make sense to you 25, don't make sense when you're 55. So yeah, yeah, no, thank you for sharing this. So openly as well.

I love hearing that because I think it's so important to hear it from someone who's genuinely been through it all, which is phenomenal. Like, you know, like you said, like your experience is so powerful because you've experienced it all, when we're hearing from you, we're actually hearing from somebody's been there done that at extremes. And that actually helps a

lot more people in the middle. I think it's fun. It even helps me when I hear other people. And I felt just like that. It helps me. So I think I'll, and I think that's a gift I can get people because I have a high profile around the world, especially with young people, is that say, wow. I mean, he looked like he was so confident. I thought he was so happy. I was never confident. I never was. I was always, I was,

and it wasn't like I was covering up with, I was just moving forward trying to, just, I was trying to, I was most, it wasn't like I was covering up, I was just moving forward trying to make everything okay always. And I had talents that allowed it to appear, you get it. Man, totally, I was just moving forward trying to make everything okay always. And I had talents that allowed it to appear. You get it.

Yeah, totally. I get it. And then also because I think the cause of all the money I made, it allowed me to get away with things. And there was, I could, most people would have hit bottom long before me. I had too many handlers around. And if I fell asleep in a bush because if I was on five loots, someone picked me up and bring me home and put me into bed. If I, you know, scuba I fell asleep in a bush cause if I was on five loots on pick me up and bring me home

and put me into bed, if I, you know, scuba diving and decided to take my tag because I was so high, someone say I put your tag back on, you know, I'm saying so all those things that, and thankfully I'm alive, right? But, you know, again, while I was going through it, there was, there was a lot of self-loathing the whole way.

And not anymore, I'm just a little, by the way. I can tell, yeah, I don't feel that way. I don't know, it's such a great way to live, you know? Yeah, and tell me what that was. What was it about that whole experience of going to jail, getting broke, coming out, meeting your wife, which you spoke so beautifully about,

which I want to dive into, because my audience loves hearing my relationships too. But what was it about that newfound confidence? Where was that now coming from, that newfound growth that you told us? So I think part of it was that in my own mind, I have a very, I have a very logical, so we always have this logic and emotion. We all have those two minds going on, right? I'm very, I'm a dominant logical thinker and my emotion comes from accident because

it's like the focus you have to have. It happens automatically, right? But for me, in my mind, I was so dead set when I got to add a gel that I am never going to make a mistake like this again, I'm never going to use the skills I have for evil purposes. And I'm going to do it right. I'm not going to cut me corners. I'm going to play the long game. I'm never going to embarrass my children again. I love more than anything. And I had such conviction of belief, but I left you, there was no way that I was ever gonna get in trouble, no way. There was no amount of money that I would cut a corner for,

nothing I would do, I would never, I had this belief now that was so, I'll never make a dollar by stepping on someone else. Unless I'm giving more value than I'm getting back, I'm just not going, and I've stayed true to that from the day I left jail, because I had the government look at my asshole with a microscope, I'll tell you that much,

because they say, how is this guy making so much money? And as you know, I'm still here, like, no, you're excited. I never like, I never, she didn't die in my taxes, everything. So, which is the opposite. I was the guy that, I wasn't like trying to lose people, but it was like, it wasn't my main value.

And I value it, let me make money. My value, my shift, it's to let me give people value because I know I'm a great businessman and I can monetize that value. And that's what the purpose of the business is. So having that core belief was the foundation for everything that came after it. And then that attracted into my life amazing people. Because when

that's the belief you have, you attract people like that because you move yourself into situations. My wife would never tolerate the old me. She fell in love with the new me, the guy that she saw, the pain I felt about the mistakes I made, the remorse I had. And she saw how hard I worked, you know, that, you know, that, you know, I wasn't having a crying ghost, right? I pulled myself to write, that I wasn't having a quiet ghost writer. I put myself to write, which I think probably was the linchpin of, because she was skeptical rightfully,

so I'm beginning, but she knew that I was doing the work, right, and I think that was the real part of it. And from there, all amazing things grew. Absolutely, yeah. And one of my favorite ways of saying it is, Peter Diamandis talks about, we should redefine the word billionaire to be someone who impacts the lives of a billion people.

There you go. And it's natural when you impact. I love him by the way. I love you. He's great. Yeah, he's awesome. And it's like when you impact the lives of a billion people, you naturally attract that. So that's awesome.

I love that. And I wanted to dive into your relationships because you have three children. I have three. Three. Yeah, three children, which is amazing. It's beautiful to hear about your amazing relationships with your wife. What have been the key things that you've taught each other? What do you believe your wife's taught you and added to your life?

And what have you given back in value? One thing, I would say the thing about my wife is her authentic self. She's like, she is her authentic self. And it could drive me crazy. Sometimes I don't agree with everything that's her authentic self. But the respect you have to have agree with everything to our authentic self, but I respect you have to have to someone who's our authentic self. That's one thing, okay?

Yeah, I love that. My wife's after me, my wife's like that too. Yeah, and we had also, we had the reverse of most people. We spent the first three as killing each other. And then went into a state of long term bliss.

So most people looked at this, well, honeymoon the first, we were the opposite. We had this mass, I had mass of this trust cause women had left me after I, my wife had walked down and I lost my money and she has her own side of the story, right? But whatever it is, my story is my story, right? My belief about it. And in her life, her parents and not really, let's say, they're not, they're not done right, but it's her story to tell. But in her life, her parents and not really, let's say, they're not done right by her story to tell, but in her mind, she'd like not,

the Garland of the House, that didn't exude warmth, didn't accept the truth, she was, she's a very spiritual person. She's very much into the, like she would do what you did, like she would be a person that would spend three years in robes, that's hard. And she'd like, if I gave her the tissue,

I'll go right now and spend three of that, that's hard, right she's like, if I gave her the change, I'll go right now and spend three of that. That's all right. And her parents, her father was like the, you know, general counsel for Bank America, some identity. She trooping that sort of family is very formal, where she was, you know, her and her sister with these two little blondes, I had to sit up right and eat with their pinkies out like that. You know, I was like a savage commander. Anyway, I'm like, she's like, and she's, and why does she still can't shake that stuff? Because it's so ingrained in her with the way she was raised with her manners and stuff like that, right?

But the interesting thing with her is it's just, it was the respect I had for her that as a beautiful woman was really smart, her highest values, I ain't gonna raise an amazing son. I'm gonna raise a man and nothing's going to end. It's not about money, it's about another man. I'm just going to do myself with their own resilience. And her son now is my son, okay, Bowen, and he works.

He's my partner, my kind. He's amazing. I have my own son, his son, he's like, works in me full time. And he runs all the, you know, because I'm too old for social media. Like he does something like, what are you doing with that? He's in the trust me, people are like, no, come on, no one wants it. And everyone something like, what are you doing with that? Because then the trust people, I'm like, no, come on, no, I'm not.

And everyone wants, I don't get it, right? So it's an amazing gift and my own two kids, my natural, right? They're all like just best, they just all love each other. And it's a, so that was the big lesson, I think, you know, with that, that relationship was being authentic. It's like I always felt like I wrote my first book and I think, I think why people connected with it. I always kept saying I just like narrative. I felt like an actor on the stage in my own life. Yeah. Like I'm doing what people think Jordan Delford, the

Wolf of Wall Street should be doing not what I want to be doing. And it's a terrible way. That's not even a terrible way to live, but it's just not it's not a sustainable way to live. Yeah. Absolutely. You know, it's like method acting. Yeah. It's not a sustainable way to live. Yeah, absolutely. You know, it's like method acting. Yeah, exactly. It's literally a method acting. You got it. You're playing another role.

But on the right face, yeah. And now after playing that role, you've convinced yourself, you are that role. So you actually forget that you're playing a role in the first. I was like, oh, Daniel De Lewis on steroids. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's the best at that.

Yeah, he's really good at it. Well, you seem like it was a movie that come gangsta. Gangsta New York. Yeah, it's incredible. He's the best of that. Yeah, he's really good at it. Well, you're seeing like it was a movie that you come gangsta in New York. Yeah. Yeah, it's incredible. And the kind of scare himself. Efforty goes through to believe that that's him. I know, I know. And I love hearing that about your wife

because anyone who follows my wife's on social media too. And she was my first guest on the podcast when we started. And you know, it is like my wife, but when it drives me crazy, my wife is that she's so smart. She gets so much to offer, but she's very, she's not like me, she's behind me, she's behind me, she's my partner, I'm business, she runs a lot of the company,

but she's like the power behind the scenes and I'm trying to push her to go out, my son's trying to push her and she like, talk about, but it's not her thing, man. She's playing her role. I know, but yeah, she's playing it. She's playing it. Yeah, I'm gonna get around, she's you'd love it, she's amazing. That's awesome. Maybe she could explain to you how she came to accept me. Yeah, I'd love to hear that. My wife had to do something similar to it, so I'd get that. I would love to dive into that. Hi, I'm David Eagleman.

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And I think all of us go through failures in life, but the extreme of the rock bottom and lows that you've been in your life and to kind of emerge from that must have taken a lot. And tell us about that, like how you've risen through failure is very rare. Yeah, so on some level, there's just two sides to this. On one side of the equation, in terms of my ethics and my value, ethics and integrity, not ethics, I mean,

ethics, ethics, I was raised to be ethical. I couldn't have to discover newfound ethics at the jail. I was raised well. My parents were the most honest legit people in the world. I was not sent out into the world to do things like, you know, that weren't ethical, right? So that part was easy for me. I was raised to have ethics, but integrity know, meaning it mean that not to be true to myself and to have that confidence to put my best self-athers. I'm okay with how I act, right? So the ethics I was definitely there.

I think the biggest shift for me would really allow me to do it and made it almost effortless is that, you know, people don't, people, I think it's about values and, you know, what we value and it, they're underlying things like beliefs, um, all these things. And it's, it's, they're all part and possible with each other, right? So people typically don't change the order of their values very easily. Like, we value like back in the, my number one value is money, like we value like back and they might number one value is money, significance, recognition, success, right? You know, like those are my family, you know, and giving back, well, we beneath that, right?

And as human beings, we will always, not even really, we try to hit our values. Those are our targets, we're aiming for, we base our vision on those, our vision for the future, they're based on the underlying values we have. And people don't change values unless something disastrous happens, or you can spend years in therapy. And so you can, and this way you do it, you can do it through intensity,

and we're really working on yourself. And really, but not like what really we're doing it on yourself and really but not like what really we're doing it or you could blow up like I did where you blow out and you lose everything say whoa I'm like I lost my entire life I've been a reexact and then almost it happens naturally where you're like you're shocked into reexamining and once your values make a shift like it's like whoa well, I had it wrong. And then everything changes, your unconscious mind's so powerful that once the underlying root shifts, everything that is built, it will rearrange itself automatically, right?

So I think that was the shift, it was the shifting values. And it made everything by beliefs. I think my beliefs weren't really that corrupt, which I had the wrong values. I think that was really the problem. Yeah, no, that makes so much sense. And I always feel that if we don't willingly uproot our negative values, or the values that are driving us crazy, we'll be forced to uproot the different way.

What exactly? Well, you know, you can either do it yourself proactively, you're like, I got lucky, that had done for me. I had one FBI as a friend of mine now. I love the guy, we're friends, we speak all the time. No way, yeah, that's what we're doing. I'm pretty proud of that.

Yeah, and I'm friends with a prosecutor at the FBI agent, really with the FBI agent. I love the prosecutor too, he's a wonderful guy. And thank God, because if I were to just go in, I would have died, but also I would have never had the living this life that I have today. And I want to make it clear, you know, you see, oh, look, I guess maybe crying pays. Guys, let me just tell you, flat out, okay?

If you want to do what I did so you can write a book, it's a real long shot. I never thought I finished my book. Better yet, you know, and the only way I treat myself into finishing my book, I finished my book is by when I got into jail, I wrote like 10 pages in my guy who was sent into an agent, he's like, oh my god, they're great. I was like, really? So I went to my daughter, who was very close with him, like, guess what? That is going to write a best seller.

She's like, really? So I used the power of my love for my daughter and my son. Because once I told them about it, I couldn't let them down. So I tapped into my own love, and it was at a love, you know, so much of it was about making my children proud again to show them that that I could do it right. Now, and thus, it's such power in that. Like when you, that's really, you know,

I talk about like, you're really knowing your why. Like when I was in jail, like I was able to learn to write because I closed my eyes and I'd imagine the faces of my children. And in that is like this power of that, you'll always do more for someone that you love unconditionally, of course you truly believe in and once you get tapped into that,

the power that you can muster as a result is almost unlimited, limitless basically. So that was the secret. I love that. And that was actually one of the things that boosted our services. Monks, when we became monks, we believed the whole world was our family.

Yeah. So when you have that visualization and meditation, that is just so energizing to you because now you can live for others truly. And one thing you brought about there, which I'm really glad you mentioned was around how you can't manufacture your journey to make it marketing.

Like that doesn't work like that. I think that's a really important point. It's so, I hate that the press does most. They'll try to twist something to fit a narrative. Like, and then people will read that and say, hmm, maybe that crime doesn't pay, but people will say, maybe it's so stupid. Because it's the longest of loyal,

let me do it, and then lean onto the Capitol play, and you'll be, oh, wow, you're not, I mean, good lord, you know, it's the longest of loyal. Let me do it. And then lean onto the Capitol play me. You'll be on the wow. I mean, good lord. You know, it's the whole thing. It's like a one to billion shot, right? Yeah. And the truth is there's so many bad ways to make money.

Right. You probably know you're written some books, right? No, no, I might be writing my first one right now. You never written it. You got to write it. It's, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm writing it right now. I wrote it myself, which is really paying the butt. I'm working. I'm spending about four hours you gotta write it down. It comes at, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm writing it right now. I wrote them myself, which is really pain in the butt.

But, I'm working, I'm spending about four hours a day on it right now, every day, right? I am the slowest writer in the world. I am really terrible at it. But, you know, I think the product ends up being readable, but the process is ugly. I'll look at the word like better, better still, even better, better now.

And I'll say, if like 15 minutes, on one, two, my wife. Better now, and I'll sit there for like 15 minutes on one, two, my wife's like, she's like, you're broken record, hit me, she was better still, like, okay, and I give, it's like really, it's good. I love it. But it's a good process, right? Because the process is, like right now,

when I'm running my book, I'm going through all my belief systems and I'm have to recheck them and re-prove them to myself. And it's just giving me so much more profound realization. So it's a good point. So I think also I wanna let, it's a good point. So I think also, I want to let that's a good point because I think also it will change me. And maybe it's but a lot sealed in many things to me

was writing my book was like the most incredible form of self therapy. I was like, whoa, because looking, I can, you know, you start peeling back the layers and I'm trying to understand myself and I'm like, oh my God, and I started to really get this crystal clear understanding of what things drove me and sort of the progression of things.

And like, I definitely emerged from that experience feeling that I had a much greater understanding into the demons that drove me. I really did. That's amazing. Did you have people, this is what blows my mind the most is did you have people mentors coaches who Could see and we're able to share this with you like you're doing for so many people now like right now What you're sharing here? I guarantee you there are people listening and watching right now

Who can change their ways because of this this podcast? Did you have people? Problem is yeah, the problem is very different time. There was no access to information like this, which is why podcasts and just the internet itself is a gentleman's tool. Because now you almost have to shame on you if you don't seek out the right information because it's all out there for the taking. That thing you're going to go to the public library or go to seminars and so much bogusness out there, right? So for me, I had some mentors, the problem was, and I had a talent for training sales people.

And it's such a monetizable skill set that everybody wanted, like it was pulling from me. And I was like, so people were just, it was almost like, people would come to the, they just were trying to grab a piece of the pie and I was all too happy to, because it made me feel good to have such successful people because of my holes I had, you understand?

You get it, like, oh man, look at this guy, you know, he's a frickin criminal. I shouldn't let this guy near me, but he's a famous guy and like, it's, so you get it. So I, I, what happens, you track, I have this, I said, so you track people into your life based on what you're doing.

You track the wrong mentors when you're on that journey I was on. So it's almost a self-fulfilling prophecy that when the seed is a little bit corrupt, you can't be half pregnant when it comes to ethics. It just every, I believe that over time, things tend to mostly become an exaggeration of themselves. Yes.

They become more, everyone's message becomes more, if you're looking for those message today, look at Donald Trump 35 years ago, you see a sober guy with similar beliefs, but saying them in a very different way, we're like, okay, well, it's us pretty mellow and everyone's like, wow, Bravo. And now you see someone that many people find to be offensive, but you could love my hand.

But over time, it just becomes more and more of what he is. Okay. So even if they call messages actually, sure, I believe a name comes at extreme, starts to take on negative overtones. I love what you just brought up there, because fame and money will always open up doors, sometimes quicker than values. How do we make sure we don't buy into our own hype?

Because when fame and money opens doors and you have them, how do you make sure you don't buy into that? Because that's in effect a massive hurtling and stumbling blood. So it's easy to tell you how and how and really have them to follow it. So the easy way is your friends, who your friends before you were successful, are you are going to be the friends who are there after the trip is over. The people that come on along the way, you'll be lucky. one of them is really actually your friend The problem is those people are really good at their professional and

Graciators and angriest honors and it's really really difficult for people So it's like I can't I'd be lying if I said there was just some sure fire away as much as listen The easy answer is you know use your eyes your eyes, your ears, and your common sense. And just remember that, you know, that you are still the same person as before. So all these people who in love with the material side or the fame side of your journey, they're not real friends. They're just not. Sometimes you find a great one along the way who just surely has great motives, but most

of the time they're not like that. So it's typically about focusing on people that you knew beforehand, not attracting the, is all those on the way up people that are like just really, really, really toxic. And like I have a friend of mine passed away, but I got in a Hollywood, I was a Doug Allen, right? I had very successful producer with movies and TV series, right?

Anyway, so what is all this friend, like, they were friends since they were five, and it was still his best friend. Yet he didn't enthrower, right? Yeah. So like, and you saw that, and the dog was a whole guy, you know, and his best friend was still the guy from his five. So I think it's really, really an important thing. My best friend just still for now is a kid, young.

Yeah. That's amazing, man. How did you turn that relationship with the FBI into a friendship? How did that happen? Um, also what happened was is um, he sounds like an old I tremendous respect for him. So, so, you know, I deserve to get caught, you know,

for what I was doing. And he played it straight. He didn't entrap me. I know I wasn't like, I'm like, I was like the only guilty man in Shawshank. Here's the, I was guilty. I was like, all right, you Shawshank. Here's him. I was killed. I was like, all right, you know, I've got a jail. I made a mistake.

Let me do my time and come out. I better keep it big for that. And my life's not over. I want to rebuild, right? And he recognized, I think what he really recognized is that he understood me. I knew that I wasn't a bad person. That good people do bad things. And especially the prosecution of Dan Alonzo, who's now very well respected lawyer,

he really is a really high injustice. But at my set in thing, Dan Alonzo, he was, it come and go, he was turning. But he actually was already gone from my case, but he actually came back from my set in thing in front of the judge and he stood up and said, Your Honor, I've never said this before. This is the only guy I've ever worked with

that actually gets it. Wow. And you can read it to my the only guy I've ever worked with that actually gets it. Wow. And you can read it to my satan named trans, he goes, this guy gets it. He's not going to get in trouble. It goes, maybe I'm crazy in Pollyanna, but I've been telling you, this guy totally understands what happened, what went wrong.

And he's going to be a productive member of society. And I think Agent Coleman is just really felt the same way. And when I first got out, we just, we just, I had a respect, but then he watched me grow. And he was like, I guess he was probably very skeptical on the earliest. And he's like, he goes, dude, I'm not, you're just all what you are.

I'm really proud of you, because you're just not like in a condescending way, but man, you're good for you. And also I wrote about him very fondly in the book because he wasn't honest, hardworking. I was doing his job. It was like, he was like, you know, planting evidence. And like, well, how like, he was like, you know,

planting evidence and like, well, how could I hate the guy, you know? He was right, I was really, that is working. And I'm glad I made him famous because now he's on the speaking toy. He makes a lot of money. So good for him. He's a great speaker and he's gonna

have a great journey as well. Oh, that's awesome. I love that. Tell me about the, why you think the straight line system has been so successful, especially now because based on your value proposition of giving more value? Well, I think for sure that my, it's probably had a limiting belief about it, and I was like, oh, sales, I actually almost thought selling was evil.

Or the straight line was a little bit of a sense of it. It's so powerful. I mean, you really can, you know, use a system of persuasion at a high level, like the straight line is a very powerful system. And I was like, oh, maybe people misused it. And now it seems so ridiculous, because it's like, it's like anything. Any powerful thing it could be used for good or evil, right? I think the reason why it's so effective is that it's, it's, it's focus is, it's really no other end. I've never

seen another one where it's like an end to end system that like it just takes you from the moment you open up your mouth to the last second even then and then after and also shows you that it's focused on three forms of communication. The words that you say the tonality that you use and the body language that applies to it in person right and it puts that into a construct that allows any person to manage a situation of influence the way a natural born clothes would see. There's people in natural born sales people.

I think you are one by the way, or close to it, but very good solid communicate, right? But most people aren't, they struggle with that. And what happens, I was an amazingly natural born sales person. And I was able to break down my strategy of what I was doing. And because Iales person, and I was able to break down my strategy of what I was doing. And, because I had to, because I had kids that were not that smart,

really, and very unsphysically kids. And I passed, I would call them the richest people in America, and I couldn't do it. So, I had this other system before that, and you never know how good a system is to use stress into the point of fracture. So, my old system just collapsed,

they wouldn't work, and I, and I panicked, I was like, what am I doing? And I just, no, I had no ads idea about like, I said, wait a second, you know, to me, every sale is the same. We're so easy to sell like, because I'm my own one. I was lining up almost arithmetically and logically. And as soon as I came up with this idea, guys, it's a straight line watch. And then just like, you read the book thinking where rich, they talk about this like collective unconscious, like I tapped into like the all that there is basically. And I almost felt like when I invented it,

it was like over a period of like 30 days. I felt like I was channeling. I really, I never felt like that. There's so much infinite thought of these things and when I was done with it, it was like the impact that had on these kids' lives. It created on the unfortunate way because I was out of my mind and my values.

So what happens is, as a perfect example of bankrupt values, incredible strategy that goes in a bad direction. But beautiful values, amazing strategy, you can do it, I'm doing more good now than I have a match, I get emails every day all the people like you change my life. It's like the greatest thing ever, right?

Absolutely, I couldn't agree with you. So I think that's what it really is, is that it takes what takes the truth about communication. Yes. And it puts it in a way that anyone can use it. Yeah. And I love that because everything's given meaning by how we use it. Totally. Technology is not good or bad. Social media is not good or bad.

Inherently, it can be used for something higher or lower. As are the experiences. It's always about the meaning you apply. In other words, so you take something that's that's that's it, you know, benign them a level and based on how you use it. And experience could, to build a table, it will be your biggest learning experience in the world based on the meaning you apply to it. It's always about the meaning and the intent, right?

And I think that for me, I've put out like over the last, as long as it's 12, 13 years, so much positive attention out into the world. Like I never, I've not made one action. Not that you always succeed at it. I've tried, I think I've had gave it a bad speech just sometimes what didn't say, but I've never not tried.

Every action I took on this pure from the start, I was like I'm gonna make, if I do this, I can make extra money of some, or I never did that once. You know, I think that's a great way to live and you can make extra money off some, all right? Never did that once. You know. And I think that's a great way to live, and you make more money, and you make even more money by doing that.

100% the sick part. You know, I've always believed in tensions, everything. When people say to me, like, what do you think work for you? What has, and I'm like, I started with a simple intention that I really, really wanted to help people. Right.

And I never believed that it would be big or small, or any of that. I didn't, I didn't even have a strategy when I started. All I knew is that I had this deep desire and intention, and I started believed that it would be big or small or any of that. I didn't even have a strategy when I started. All I knew is that I had this deep desire and intention. And I started with that. And then I got more strategic and organized to focus. So I think that, you know, the important thing,

and I, with a lot of this, you're a very spiritual guy. I'm not really, I'm not really. I think I'm more than I give myself greater for. Right? But I just, I'm so anchored in science and rational thinking this cycle. I mean, too. But I think what happens a lot of people is they will look at a Jay Shetty or the secret and they miss part of the equation.

See everything about the power of intention and manifestation and the traction is all true. I know it's true. I've seen it in my own life, right? But it requires the integration of strategy and also action. You know, like, you're probably out of this in England, right? Where you learn about magnetism and the teacher and your third Greek, oh, this is a magnet to horseshoe magnet. And this is iron, fine, I said, watch, nothing happens. And then

she moves the filings closer, nothing happens, Nothing happens. But if they get close enough, you see the law. So like the way the law of attraction and manifestation is, is you set an intention and that alerts you to what's the, and then you move towards what you want and then you can attract. 100% has got to be action on the intention. 100% so like you said, then once you start that, then you had strategy and you move towards

what, that's the thing is the secret to success. Absolutely. I love that, man. Jordan, this has been awesome. We end every interview, the final five, which is our final five rapid-fire quick-fire rounds. These are quick answers, easy for you. So, the first question I wanted to ask you is, what is the worst financial decision you

have been made? The worst financial decision? I am my second wife. Oh, really decision? My name is Zach and my life. Oh, really? That's the best. Second question. What is the best financial decision you ever made? My third wife.

Okay, nice. I like it. Third question. What is the worst advice you ever received? Think about it. Oh, don't worry. Everyone's doing it. Take this bag of half a million dollars.

Everyone on Wall Street does that. That was my first ethical lapse. Someone said to me, oh, it's all everyone does this. I'm like, really? No, okay, fine. Taking the first step over the line. Well, I love that. Question number four is, what is the best advice

you've ever received? Best advice I've ever received? Good things take time. Delay your gratification. That's such a huge one. If there's one thing I tell everyone, guys, I was pleased. You don't have to make everything tomorrow. The layer gratification is better and you make more.

I love that. And out of all the experiences that you've had in the world, what is one experience you think you haven't had yet? Because you've had so many different experiences. What is a new thing? I haven't seen my children have children yet. I can't wait to have grandchildren. I am looking. And I'm getting close now because my daughter I think is hopefully maybe we'll

get married soon and then I can't wait to have grandchildren. I'm going to spoil them wrong. I can't wait to have grandchildren, you know. Yeah, that's beautiful, man. Jordan, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. My pleasure. Pleasure having you here, guys. Go and check out Jordan Buffett's new podcast, The Wolf's Den.

It literally launched a couple of days ago. So make sure you go and subscribe and check out Jordan Buffett's new podcast, The Wolf's Den. It literally launched a couple of days ago. So make sure you go and subscribe and check out the podcast. It's going to be awesome. Jordan, tell us some of the guests that you've gone to line up for topics and themes. Oh, I got it. It's really, it's a combination of just business, interesting people. I had like some really famous people and also just average everyday people. I think one of the great things is because I'm pretty well known. I don't have to always have famous people. I think average people have so much to share. So it's gonna be just and funny and fun and lighthearted and a little bit of reverence, but not too a reverence, but a little bit of reverence. I'm a reverent. That's awesome, man. I love that. Everyone, thank you so much for watching and listening to today's podcast. Make you've subscribed. If you haven't subscribed, make sure you rate and review as well.

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