On Purpose with Jay Shetty - The 5 Levels of Growth That You Can’t Skip, Miss or Avoid

Episode Date: October 4, 2019

"Jay, how do I start?" is a question I get asked a lot. Whether you want to start making videos, launch a podcast or try anything new, the first step can be the hardest. After we start, we expect inst...ant results or wonder why it isn't working. Starting something is a process. As I've studied people I admire and am inspired by, I've observed 5-phases of growth. Listen in on this episode to learn how to recognize which phase of growth you're in and how to accelerate your growth remarkably. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:37 Listen to Skyline Drive on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We think starting means doing. But actually the process of starting begins with learning about something. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to on purpose. You are in exactly the right place right now. Thank you so much for trusting me with your time. Thank you so much for being a part of this community.
Starting point is 00:02:13 And one thing that I've been really thinking about, and this is what happens when I'm looking through your comments, when I'm looking through the reviews, when I'm looking through everything that you're sharing about what you're learning from the podcast. What we're genuinely creating is a conscious community of change makers. Now, I feel like, Jay, what is that? Like it's some crazy illiteration, or what does that mean? A conscious community of change makers is a community where people want to change their lives and the lives of others. And when I see your posts, I see that we're all trying and striving to become the best versions of ourselves, but we also don't want to stop there.
Starting point is 00:02:51 We want to make sure that we pass it on, we pay it forward, we give it away because that's where real meaning, fulfillment and power comes from. So thank you for being a part of this community. Thanks for being a conscious change maker. Thank you for being a part of this community. Thanks for being a conscious change maker. Thank you for being someone who's dedicated to your growth and the growth of others. Just imagine, just imagine for a moment
Starting point is 00:03:13 if we changed everything by 1%, okay, 5%, maybe 10%, imagine we changed everything by 10%. Ourself's another, how much would we experience a change in our lives? So let me dive straight into it. Thank you again for being here. Whatever you're doing right now, thank you for choosing on purpose with me, Jay Shetty. So one of the questions I get asked a lot is and you're probably thinking this and I've seen this in the comments when I'm reading them, Jay, how do I start? Right, how do I start blank? And you can fill in that blank, whatever it is.
Starting point is 00:03:51 How do I start making videos? How do I start my business? How do I start finding my passion? How do I start writing a book? How do I launch a podcast? Or whatever it may be, whatever your blank is, even if it's not creative, how do I start performing at work?
Starting point is 00:04:08 How do I start the process of getting a promotion? Whatever it is, we all struggle with starting, right? We all struggle with starting. There's something about starting that's full of fear, anxiety, pressure, whatever it may be, but we feel all blocked from starting. And I think we all experienced this, and I'm guessing I've never been in this situation. I was never a great runner. But if you just imagine when someone is waiting at the Olympics or anything before they're
Starting point is 00:04:38 about to run or before you're about to kick off a big game, or before you walk into a presentation. It's always, we've all had that experience, not just athletes or musicians or performers, we've all had that experience that all of the pain and the anxiety and the fear is actually before we start. How many of you have noticed that? That it's always before we start,
Starting point is 00:05:00 and that's why we usually get stuck before we start. Or when we start, we are wondering why it isn't working or why it isn't going well or doing well, right? We get fixated on. Oh, now that I've started, why am I not winning? Why is this not already successful? Why is it not working? And we spend a lot of time looking for the one moment that everything changed. If you listen to podcasts, you look at articles, people always go asking like, when was that one moment where everything changed?
Starting point is 00:05:28 When was that one time that something happened? And what was the one thing that happened that made all the difference? Or what's the one thing that we can do? And the truth is that growth is far less about one thing and much more about a series of phases, stages, and levels. Growth is so much about a community of moments, right?
Starting point is 00:05:55 Like an addition of so many small micro moments that creates a shift in our lives. And therefore, change and growth are so much more about phases and stages and levels. And in my life, I've seen and observed that these five levels that I'm going to share with you today, and when I've looked at the lives of other people, when I've looked at the lives of people that I admire, that I'm inspired by, and have observed their life, I see these five level stages and phases as well. And the challenge is, we look at everything as binary, right? What I mean by that is we either go to ourselves,
Starting point is 00:06:34 either everything is going great or everything is going badly. Life is very binary, it's like black and white, left and right, it's just one or two options. So here you've got, in life, everything's either going great right now or everything's going badly right now. And we just one or two options. So here you've got, in life, everything's either going great right now or everything's going badly right now. And we tell either of those stories. And this is a really simplistic but limiting view on life, right? That narrative
Starting point is 00:06:54 can quickly become our reality. Thinking everything is going right can lead to complacency. And thinking everything is going wrong can lead to depression. So what we need to do is improve our ability to diagnose what stage or phase we are in and live according to that stage and phase. Let me explain what I mean by that. Levels of growth are like seasons in the year. We live differently in different seasons, like school always started in autumn, right? We know that we celebrate Christmas in the winter. We adapt, for example, in winter you wear different things than you do in summer. In spring you
Starting point is 00:07:36 focus on different things than you do in autumn. It's more natural to start something in spring and it's more natural to see something flourish in summer, just like nature does. And so the seasons impact our action. Now, let's look at that as growth. Growth also has seasons and there are five seasons, not four, there are five seasons. And one of them I guess is a bit of a circular season. So there are five seasons. They are learn, experiment, perform, struggle, thrive. And at any point, we're in one of these phases, right? And the biggest challenges, and I'll come to this later, but one of the biggest challenges is that we always want to be in thrive mode.
Starting point is 00:08:22 We always want to be in, you know, this mode of just like everything's crushing it, everything's going in our direction, everything's amazing. But we forget that learn, experiment, perform, struggle, and thrive are five levels of growth that you can't skip, miss, or avoid. And they work best when they lead from one to the other. Now, whatever you want to pursue, these will be the five levels you go through. Anything you want to tackle, break it down into these levels. And these levels will continue to repeat in our lives, their cycles. So I want to dive deeply into each one of them, help you unpack and understand how to go into these zones and these modes and make the most out of them and also why they're so important. So one of the biggest challenges I'm saying is we don't actually know when we're meant to be in which zone because we always want to be in the zone where everything's going our way.
Starting point is 00:09:19 But actually if we reflect, we realize, well, maybe I just need to learn. So, learn is actually the first place we start. We think starting means doing. But actually, the process of starting begins with learning about something. Right? This step is so often missed, skipped, or avoided, because we believe we already know something. Or we don't really think we need to learn anything until we're in the middle of a crisis. How many times have you experienced this in your own life? Like, I'll give a very basic example. No one ever reads the manual. Right, you don't read the manual for your phone, you don't read the manual for your car, you don't read the manual for your washing machine.
Starting point is 00:10:00 Most people are like, what's a manual? Does it even exist? I just use YouTube, right? We don't look at manuals, but when something goes wrong, you go to the manual. So with our lives, there is no manual in that sense, but the point is that we can learn research about something well before getting involved, way beyond, way before, sorry, getting actually engaged with it. And this is actually the first step of anything.
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Starting point is 00:13:32 I love you too. My life's a lot of therapy goes behind that. You're so white, I love it. Listen to Not Lost on the iHeart Radio App or wherever you get your podcasts. or wherever you get your podcasts. So often we launch something, we start something without doing learning in research and I really, really, really research is a really important phase. So before I start anything, I learn about it. And this phase is so crucial to the rest of the levels that missing it means
Starting point is 00:14:00 you're less likely to figure things out. Right? Learning means speaking to people who're doing what you want to do. So before I launched my podcast, I spoke to so many people who had a podcast. I reached out to hosts. I reached out to people who had podcasts. They just started. People who had had podcasts for like 10 years.
Starting point is 00:14:19 Like I spoke to a variety of people. And the amazing thing here is that I got the opportunity to ask them questions like, how did you start? How many episodes did you record a week? Do you partner with anyone? How do you book guests? And this is what I call logistical, tactical, and practical questions, right?
Starting point is 00:14:40 Logistical, tactical, and practical questions. So now we're going deep into how do you learn? And this is what I'm saying, whatever you're thinking of starting, whatever you're thinking of doing, whatever you're thinking of building and creating, do this phase first. Don't just skip and avoid this phase. And actually, if you try and skip and avoid this phase, you usually never start because you feel too scared
Starting point is 00:14:59 and learning and research. Right? The reason why we say knowledge is power and knowledge can help us overcome fear is because when you learn and you research, right? The reason why we say knowledge is power and knowledge can help us overcome fear is because when you learn in your research, you gain more awareness through the process. So I asked these logistical, tactical, and practical questions, but here's the interesting thing. I also asked questions like, what is your favorite part of the process? What do you hate about the process? What do you wish you knew when you started?
Starting point is 00:15:27 Now these are emotional and mental questions, and one of the biggest mistakes we make is we don't ask people, or if we do ask them, we ask them vague questions like, what's your best advice for me, or what's your best advice to start a podcast? Now this doesn't allow someone to give you the best response, make it easy for them. They're super busy people. So when you're asking people for help, when you say something like,
Starting point is 00:15:52 oh, I'd love to have your advice on this, when you don't get specific about your questions, you don't get specific answers. And the other challenge is, we only ask logistical or tactical practical questions, but we don't ask the emotional and mental questions, because sometimes, when you ask the emotional and mental questions, you will learn so much more about what you're going to love about the process
Starting point is 00:16:17 and what you're not. So, when I speak to people in the podcast place before I started, people used to tell me the part that they absolutely loved was sitting down and doing the interview, learning from people. And that's what I love, too. When I'm sitting down and interviewing all the incredible people we've had on the podcast, it's so, so meaningful to me, right? Just in the last two weeks, we had Liza Koshy with Brian Grazer. We had some amazing episodes when we started with my wife with Giselle, with Russell Brand, with Novak Djokovic, and I love that process.
Starting point is 00:16:50 But people also told me one of the things they struggled with in the process was making shows up on every platform and all the more admin kind of side of it. So I've been able to find partners and help me work through that too. So what I'm saying is that it's so important to learn and research and learning also includes reading books and listening to podcasts or audiobooks about what it is that you want to learn and start. You can cut your TV time, your on demand TV time, use your commute time, whilst you're cooking, whatever it takes to hear from people who've done it and read about it and learn about it.
Starting point is 00:17:25 I remember before I started writing my book, I read a few awesome books that truly helped and one was You Are A Writer by Jeff Goins, I believe his name is You Are A Writer. And learning also includes courses, workshops, seminars, spending a weekend or a week learning is brilliant. And learning is a phase of life. If you're thinking right now in your life, nothing is working out right now. Or everything you try is not reaping results.
Starting point is 00:17:55 Chances are you should go back to learning. That's just as simple as it is. If you're feeling right now that you don't have the skills, you don't have the talent, you don't know what's going on, you're confused, you're lost, start by learning. Figure out what you want to learn about and get learning. And learning is obviously something that we should always be doing. Of course, it's something that should be continuous, but there are certain moments in life where we need to go more deeply at learning than ever before. And don't avoid it. Don't avoid this step. It's such a powerful step because even if you did the learning process
Starting point is 00:18:33 and realized that you didn't want to do the thing you learned about, well guess what, you just learned the skill that's going to be useful in your future. You just learned more about yourself in the process and you saved yourself, the time, money, the energy effort that could have been wasted in actually building something, doing something. So many people, before doing something, they just start, you know, they launch a website or they launch the podcast without figuring out the process, whatever it may be. And so there are many ways to get that right. And learning is step one. Now step two is experiment. Step two is using what you have learned and experimenting with it. For example, if I hear that authors start by writing, say, I don't know, 500 words a day, I would then test that for a week and see how I feel. So now
Starting point is 00:19:22 you're looking at that knowledge that you learned and you're like, okay, most authors are writing 500 words per day. You're now testing that knowledge, right? You're putting it into practice. Now, maybe through this experiment, you'll find that you actually can write 1000 words a day. Or maybe you're going to do this experiment for a week and realize you can only write 250 words per day.
Starting point is 00:19:46 Maybe I'll realize I don't enjoy writing at all or maybe I'll realize I need to find new methods. In the experiment phase, you don't judge yourself, but you allow the experiments to show you what works for you and what doesn't. This is the key about having phases in life where you're experimenting. You remove judgment, you remove criticism,
Starting point is 00:20:12 you remove the guilt of getting it wrong, you know you're experimenting. And so when I'm in an experimenting phase, I remember when I first started creating videos, I used to create one video a week and they were experiments. Now when I used to put them out there and I was experimenting with, do people like these messages, do people connect with it, is this really helping people? And the truth is that I would get a lot of feedback from people around me, but I realized I knew I was experimenting, so I wasn't expecting
Starting point is 00:20:39 it to be perfect. I wasn't expecting everyone to write to me and just be like, Jay, that's the best thing we've ever seen because I was experimenting. But if you don't give yourself that space to experiment, sometimes you get eaten up and defeated by your own guilt. You get eaten up and defeated by your own judgment of yourself. And so this is really, really important. And the best example that I always love is as Edison famously stated, I have not failed.
Starting point is 00:21:07 I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work. This is your time. We usually don't do this because we're scared of looking bad or messing up, but if it is entitled, if it's, sorry, if it's titled an experiment, then you give yourself time to learn. I'm Dr. Romani and I am back with season two of my podcast, Navigating Narcissism.
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Starting point is 00:24:16 You're not worried about what anyone is saying. It's just about iterating and trying new things and learning and experimenting. You're learning by making mistakes. You're learning by not judging yourself. So that is step two. So in the example of writing a book, it may be that you start writing blogs and putting them out there, right?
Starting point is 00:24:36 Maybe that you're writing short posts, whatever it means. It's making the smallest version, what's usually known in technology as MVP, a minimum viable product. What's the most basic version that you can test? There's no point of you writing a whole book if you can't hold someone's attention in 260 or 280 characters on Twitter, whatever it is. Look, you can't go to that level straight away without testing something in a smaller way. And that way you take the pressure off yourself.
Starting point is 00:25:10 Right? So that's step number two. Now step number three is called perform. This is when you now get into a rhythm. You've been through the experiment phase. So you know what works and what doesn't work. You know what, what you love and what you don't love. You know what's kind of working and what's not working. And you start performing. You get into rhythm, right? Sometimes in life things are not exciting. You're not growing, but you're not crushing it
Starting point is 00:25:37 and you're not, but you're building consistency and steadiness. That's what performance is all about. You get into a routine, you get into a groove, you start delivering, right? You start seeing repeated results. So in the learn phase, you're just learning there are no results. In the experiment phase, you're seeing random results. In performance stage, you're seeing repeated results, consistent results. You're seeing the same thing we can weak out. You're getting into a rhythm. You're getting into consistency. You're getting the steadiness. You're getting into a groove.
Starting point is 00:26:08 It may not be the most exciting stage. You may not be the most, you know, and thrawling stage, but it is a stage that is so powerful and important because it gives you confidence. It gives you something to look to, something to show that you've developed something that works. It gives you confidence, it gives you something to look to, something to show that you've developed something that works. It provides you with the energy you need to move forward. So don't, this is a stage we try and jump to. This is a stage we want to start at. So we usually try and avoid learning and experimenting and just get into performance mode.
Starting point is 00:26:41 And it doesn't work because your performance is only as strong as learning and experimenting, right? It's only as strong as those two. Like, I really hope you're writing down notes right now. This is one of those ones that you need to have notes on. So if you haven't got notes, I highly recommend that you come back to this episode with a notebook if you can't take notes right now. Take a screenshot of exactly where you are on the podcast so you can come back to it too.
Starting point is 00:27:02 But perform stage, don't try and jump to it. It will feel harder. Work back to it too, but perform stage. Don't try and jump to it. It will feel harder, work up to it. Now, step number four is struggle. Everyone always feels they're in this phase. The reason why I put it in there, and this is more linked to all of them because they're struggling, learning, they're struggling, experimenting,
Starting point is 00:27:23 they're struggling, performing. This is always going to be there, right? This is always going to be there. So you have to accept that there will just be those days, right? There will just be those days where it's that, that, that the struggle, they're struggling each of these elements. So don't try and avoid struggle. Get to know that struggle better. Understand that struggle better. Understand that struggle intimately. The deeper you understand that struggle, the more you can work with it, rather than work against it. Usually all of us are working against our struggle because we haven't really got to know it. Whereas when you get to know
Starting point is 00:28:00 your struggle, you're now working with your struggle. So don't try and avoid struggle at all. And when you talk about struggle, one thing you have to realize is don't just think that you're always in struggle because you don't want to just say like, oh, my life is just full of struggle. Like I'm just in a struggle phase right now because guess what that means? That phase will be never ending because there'll always be something to struggle about. And that phase is something that you are extending by your language, right?
Starting point is 00:28:32 By you saying this is a struggling phase, you'll just create more struggle in your life. So it's important to recognize that it exists, but it's important to not make it your existence, right? It's important to recognize that it exists, but you can't make it your existence. You can't make it your ultimate reality. You have to realize it exists, but it doesn't have to be your whole reality. And now the fifth stage is drive.
Starting point is 00:29:00 The stage you all want to be in, the stage you all want to experience. It's when you're winning all the awards, it's when you're top of the table, it's when you're getting recognized, it's when you're getting acknowledged, it's when everything's going in your direction, it's you're feeling all the momentum and guess what? This is one percent of the experience. I've spent time with people who've won Emmys, who've won Grammys, who've won Oscars, who've won Streamies. I've spent time with people who've won all of these things.
Starting point is 00:29:36 And the truth is that that's 1% of the experience. Someone turning up in a award show and giving a speech that isn't their life. That's one night of the year where they gave that speech. And we think that's their whole life. We think that that person is celebrating and celebrated all the time. Right? We think somebody is celebrating and celebrated all the time.
Starting point is 00:30:00 But the truth is they're not. They're working all the time. They're building all the time. They're building all the time. They're creating all the time. They're learning, they're experimenting, they're performing and they're struggling and that's why they thrive for that 1%. That's the difference. They're not celebrating and being celebrated 99% of the time. They are learning, experimenting, performing and struggling. Thrive is 1% of the experience. Don't live for the award show.
Starting point is 00:30:29 Don't live for the followers. Don't live for the fame. Don't live for the lists. That stuff is a byproduct of the first four and it's the shortest lived experience out of all of them. We spend far more of our time learning and experimenting than you do thriving in terms of the external sense. But of course, driving is also an internal fulfilling, meaningful expression of, or receiving of the success that you had and the achievements
Starting point is 00:31:00 you've had. But it's important to recognize that there will be a year where you're just thriving, but that is also going to be the year you go back to learning, right? Most people who are thriving, they're not just thriving for a whole year, they're going back to learning. And I see that all the time that, again, if you're just doing it for thriving, you get complacent and then you lose that. So here are some lessons with these five stages. The first one is, in a any given year, know which one you're in.
Starting point is 00:31:28 Know that you need to learn. Know that it may be a year you need to experiment or a three months that you need to experiment. It doesn't have to be a year, it can be one month, three months, six months, nine months, or a year, that you're in a phase, but you choose which phase you're in. And most of us, like I said,
Starting point is 00:31:42 are trying to be in perform phase or we say we're in struggle phase, or we really want to be in thrive phase. And we miss the two birthing phases of learning experiment. So recognize when you need to be in learning experiment, know which one you're in. Number two, one of the lessons from all of these phases that I've shared is, like I said, don't force driving, right? Don't force driving. It's something that comes as a natural byproduct of the four. The other one I wanted to share with you is focus on doing the thing in that zone, right?
Starting point is 00:32:22 Really go deep into learning when you're learning. Really go deep and immersive and engage into experimenting. Don't just hope that you'll naturally find the answers, right? You have to ask the question sincerely to find the answers. And number five is start the cycle again regularly. Like this is a cycle you want to go through regularly. It's not just a cycle that you do once
Starting point is 00:32:46 and then you're there and then you get to the top and you thrive and then you're thriving forever. It doesn't work like that. You have to continue to go through the cycle and you don't want to be in a place where you don't. So one of the things for me I've always had is, is layered. So whenever I'm performing in one thing,
Starting point is 00:33:03 at the same time I'm learning something else, right? Because I'm performing in one thing, at the same time, I'm learning something else. Right? Because I'm performing, because I'm going to groove, I now have the mind space to start learning something else. Right? So whenever you get into performance with something, it's time to learn something else. So when I got into a groove with the videos I was creating and the content I was creating, I was learning about podcasts. And now that we're in a groove with the podcast, and I know what the process is like, and I've been doing this for a certain amount of time, I've been learning and working on the book. So you're always building that way, and this way you're always excited. You don't get brought down by that there's always going to be an area of your life that
Starting point is 00:33:41 doesn't work out. And that's the thing. There might be an area of your life where the performance struggles, but then you're learning something else. So you've always got something to be excited about and something to celebrate. So these are the five levels of growth that you can't skip, miss or avoid. I really hope you enjoyed this podcast. I'd love for you to apply this to anything you're struggling with right now, anything you're trying to break through, anything that you're trying to start. Share your insights on Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn, Facebook,
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