Painkiller Already - Painkiller Already #213

Episode Date: January 20, 2015

This week on PKA, old school friend of the show Hastr0 from Team nV comes on and all of the guys reminisce about the good old days of Call of Duty, where the competitive scene is going in the future and a little bit of rehashing Wings' history.

And we're live! Painkiller Already, episode 213, holy smokes. That is a lot of episodes of a show. It is a lot of episodes. Episode, like, 24 for me, I believe. It's a big day. This is the quarter of the way to my first hundred. Can you even count? No, not really. I'm just kind of guesstimating. But we have a guest!

We do have a guest. We've got Hastro tonight. Hastro, welcome to Painkiller Already. Yeah, what's up guys? Yeah, old to Painkiller R&D. Yeah. What's up, guys? Yeah, old school guy for an old school show. How are you? I might have watched the first one. I'm not sure. I don't know when that was, but I'm a PKA guy, man. I used to watch all the time.

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Saikano, How to Raise a Boring Girlfriend, which has to be something... That's gotta be something sexual, right? I'm looking at these. Which one do you want to see the most? Khan Kali? I can't wait to see Cute High Earth Defense Club Love. Well, Cute High Earth Defense Club Love, because love is the only one in caps. these which one do you want to see the most concolly the cute high earth defense club love well it cute high earth defense club love because love is the only one in caps but i want to watch

i just want to watch military which has an exclamation point for no apparent reason really i'm all about psychado how to raise a boring girlfriend that what that one said that that one's got to be some sort of henchman and of course there are classics like Attack on Titan Naruto Shippuden and Bleach Bleach I'm starting to think that that ninja we always talk about that somewhere transcribing this stuff

is fucking with us is there really a show called Bleach on there I've heard of Bleach and more I've definitely heard of Bleach what is it Adult Swim right Bleach. And more, straight from Japan. I've definitely heard of Bleach. That's on, what is it, Adult Swim, right? Bleach is on Adult Swim? Okay. Maybe, I don't know, I've never watched it.

I haven't seen any of these. But what do you suspect cute high earth defense club love might be about, Kyle? Cute high earth defense club love. I'm imagining... What's a defense club? Okay, yeah, it's a group. I think high earth is the name of the defense club, but they're cute. They're cute girls.

I'm imagining it's like three to five pre-teen girls with bright... One's got bright green hair, one's bright blue hair. It's a mix. There's a brunette, a redhead, a blonde Asian, which makes no sense ever. Not that the blue-haired Asian really makes any sense either, but they've all got powers, and maybe some energy shoots out of their eyes, and maybe if they combine and

do some sort of five-way scissor action, they morph into... You know how the Power Rangers would combine into the giant mech suit? I don't remember the lesbian scenes in the Power Rangers. Well, that's because there was guys... Power Rangers was more love, you know, fun-loving,

get-together, beat up some easy bad guys with your friends. You're making it sound pretty raunchy. I watched the Power Rangers. We'll break off on the Power Rangers in a minute, but let me just finish up here. Thank God. And, of course, the best part about Crunchyroll is that you're getting these shows straight from Japan, transcribed as soon as an hour after they're there.

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I actually haven't watched any of it yet, but is the guy who transcribes the Japanese, is it good in the actual shows? Yeah. Because it doesn't seem like it would be that great by these titles. No, they did a perfect job. Sister New Devil, what could that conceivably be about? Based on Attack on Titan, that's, you have to read that whole thing, right? I forgot. How does that not stick

in my head? We read it as we watch it, right? They don't do it in English. Or do they do it in English? Yeah, no, it's subtitles, right? See, I'm on the other side of the fence, man. The worse it is, the better. Right? Like, you know, I'm on that side, man. As long as they do a terrible job, I'm happy.

See, and I like watching shows for that reason, too. Like, bad horror movies. Like, I enjoy bad horror movies, but I like explaining it to people, like, oh, I love bad horror movies. So it almost, like people like oh I love bad horror movies so it almost like pushes off my accountability for spending time watching them if you embrace how bad it is you know because at the end of the day it's why the fuck are you wasting your time with this shit show or this shit movie unless you're like I just enjoy it you know a little

pet hobby for me not saying that the content hosted on wonderful crunchyroll would have anything to do with that whatsoever. I was just throwing it out there. Dude, I want to watch Attack on Titan in a longer binge. We did what? Two series of three or three and a four? I'm down to watch like ten episodes or maybe eight. Maybe we can do two because there's twenty total if I'm

right. If we watch eight twice then we can wrap that up and check out the Boring Girlfriend one or something. Or we can get some sub-feedback and see which ones we should do next. Okay. Alright. I want to as much fun as poorly subtitled

stuff can be, have any of you ever seen it's the pilot episode of Archer. There's an alternate pilot episode of Archer in which he's a velociraptor and he doesn't speak English he just makes dinosaur noises have any of you seen it?

yes, and it's the exact same episode except like and they talk to him as though he's responding but he's just a raptor and like the actual first episode he'll say a one liner until he'll be standing there by a raptor and he'll just and he'll be like oh that's real cute archer like no just for no fucking reason it is pretty funny

yeah once yeah you know that one because it makes no sense it'd be great if the subtitles worked i wonder if they do for that now that would be hilarious if if the velociraptor went and then netflix was like you know it had the subtitles there. What Archer was actually saying. I'd love that. That might even be better. I feel like Archer's lines make that show. If it wasn't for his deadpan delivery of his awesomeness it wouldn't be a good show.

That's probably why they steered clear of the long term raptor commitment. You know what this guy is pretty integral to this plot. He just killed eight guys. Yeah I like, yeah, I don't know. I'm just really good at that. Yeah, right? Yeah.

He's like, don't worry. They're out of bullets. How do you know that? Because they shot 14 times. There's a Walter P226s. How do you know that? I don't know. I'm just really good at doing that stuff.

Yeah, dude, he's amazing. Like, every so often you're reminded, like reminded like ah that's why he has that job but i want to talk about hastro and the power rangers uh and the power is there a gay scene with hastro and the power rangers no oh yeah that's never happened dude so what's new with you i i guess you're still doing the envy thing i. I'm looking at the clothes. Did you guys have a monster dealer? Is it just a hat? Talk to me. Oh, yeah, man. Still doing it.

It's gotten better, man. I'm just, whole scene's growing. So I've just kept it going and staying the course, man. So, yeah, it's been busy. We had a really good 2014. And I think Call of Duty esports is really growing. And esports in general are growing. And I'm hoping maybe you guys still tune

in every now and then watch because I know you guys definitely watched back in the day years ago man years ago you guys are old school so you guys have seen it come from what little it was to what it is now yeah I still do watch yeah anyway I still keep on top of

the scene I watch I get the same loves and same complaints. I wish rosters were more steady. And I understand why they're not, because there's no rules that make them that way. And if you want to be competitive, you've got to switch things around. And if there were rules that enforced it,

I feel like it's not like pro football, where people can just decide not to you know yeah they're you know like no you have to play for envy well then i'll play for no one bite me it's getting there though we're starting to get a little bit like um you know more formal with with like the rules and player transactions and stuff like that it's it's gotten more stable but at the same time yeah you're right i mean it still happens in pro sports though like you know there's a trade deadline and people get waived and people get traded and it's just more i think it's uh it's more apparent when you're only dealing with like a four-man team right like it's a four call duty's a four-man team and nba

has 11 players nfl rosters have like 55 you know so sometimes you kind of get lost and not hearing about every single player transaction that happens but players get switched around all the time in those sports too but yeah it happens a little more often. That's a good point. It's just a lower percentage of the team. You never see the Flyers drop 25% of their team. What was that, Tim? So you can't be like, alright,

fucking BillyXX00069 has sucked ass for the last five competitions. Let's trade him to Optic for Optic, whoever the hell. Yeah, we actually can do that competitions. Let's trade him to OpTic for, you know, OpTic whoever the hell. Yeah, we actually can do that now. There's, like, a... You can trade amongst the MLG Pro League teams now.

So you're allowed to have, like, two substitutes. You can also trade the substitutes. You have basically a period where you can make trades amongst teams, but there are rules that kind of regulate it all. You can't, like, add a player from, like like another team in the league unless it's a trade you can only add like outside i guess players who aren't competing in the league uh up to a certain point as a substitute so like you know i mean there are rules there are a bunch of rules and i think they're posted online somewhere but so yeah what's the plan for post-codod esports? So I talked about this on the show not too long ago.

It feels to me, and this is not scientific, but that esports is growing, or esports are growing, and Cod esports are growing, but Cod's not, right? Based on sales numbers. Now, I will, you know, temper that. I don't know. I will hedge my bet a little bit and say people seem to like this Cod more., Advanced Warfare has had a better reception.

As a matter of fact, Advanced Warfare took a ton of crap before it released and then after people played it, they liked it. Which, I can't remember a COD that's done that. It's always been, hype, hype, hype, we're gonna love it, this is our savior. And then they get it and they don't like it. Advanced Warfare almost did the opposite. People would poo on it, it came out, and they're like, oh, actually, you know, this is kind of cool. So I feel like people who are playing the game love the game, and

esports, even COD esports is growing, but, you know, sales of Advanced Warfare were below, what would it be, Ghost, which were below the one before that and below the one before that, all the way back to, I think, Black Ops 2 or even Black Ops 1.

I think you know this. When COD 4 came out, that was kind of the revolutionary day for COD. That's when it kind of made that transition into, okay, well, this is a badass game. It's kind of new, right? It took the Halo crown. Yeah, it had that huge fan base.

Obviously, we all played it. So I feel like Call of Duty got so big over those next few years that ultimately all empires kind of start having a little bit of a decline at some point. People have been playing COD for how many years? And eventually, I guess I wouldn't say get sick of a game, but you just would rather play something else once you've kind of had your fill of something, right? I've always maintained the game's not getting worse, with the exception of Ghost. That Ghost I didn't like. But, you know, I thought Black Ops 2

was a great one. I haven't tried Advanced Warfare, so, you know, I can't judge it. But it looks good online. But I thought Black Ops 2 was great. I thought Modern Warfare 3 was good. I thought Black Ops 1 was good. I ops 1 was good i thought you know the exception of the colors like all the way down i think it kept getting better and better and better the whole way through if cod 4 was released today i think it'd be a cruddy game a lot of people will disagree with that but you know i think the game they'd look at it and they'd say that it's simple that it wouldn't be able to

compete with like current cods and things like that so it's not that the game's getting bad but sales are dropping and what's after COD well well in terms of what like what's what's next like in terms of what game gets played and esports or like what are the people in COD esports do next right some of them like I've got an age shot in my head hopefully assuming they haven't been spending money like water, are set up to be financially ahead of the game for the rest of their lives. He could buy a nice home and never have a mortgage and just be always benefiting from the experience he had in his 20s. He's not the typical pro player. The typical pro player is getting by. Yeah.

What do these guys do next? Let me put it this way. Well, I think Call of Duty esports in general is what is there to sustain sales of Call of Duty in the long run anyway, right? So for me, I feel like the Call of Duty franchise is a video game. It really isn't going to go anywhere for a long time.

I feel like it's going to be around. And although maybe they're not selling as many units as they did, and maybe it keeps declining for a little while, I think at some point that kind of stabilizes out, and the decline in sales kind of declines, if that makes sense. So, you know, at some point, excuse me, you'll have this really loyal fan base still. Man, I've got to get a drink.

Anything? You'll have this really loyal fan base still. Man, I've got to get a drink. Do you think? I know, man. I actually do drink this stuff every day. I know. So it's not just the drink. There's water here too, so don't worry. Is it like a Disney deal? Hold on, man.

I have to get a drink. Yeah, yeah. No, no, I actually... My throat was extremely dry. You probably heard the voice. But, yeah, so, like, I feel like... Okay, so COD Esports, you know, the fact that the developer and publisher supports that scene, I think this goes for any Esport, okay? Like, even, like,

you look at a game like League of Legends, which is, you know, the most played game in the world now. They built that game based around Esports because they are sustaining the interest in the game from the fan base, and, you know, they'll continue to modify that game. Of course, with Call of Duty, we get a new game every year. So, you know, I think eventually, like,

Call of Duty itself, the developers will make it more competitive, and so on and so forth. And Call of Duty esports is raw for people to continue watching it and to continue playing it and for more ideas to get passed and so on and so forth and call the esports raw for people to continue watching it and to continue playing it and for more ideas to get past and so on and so forth right i feel like there excuse me i can't imagine a world without a competitive fps league right like that'll exist forever

and um like i feel like halo was the premier fps game even as like i Halo was the premier FPS game, even as... Halo was the premier competitive FPS, while COD was the premier played FPS. And I guess right now, COD is probably still both. I don't know if there's a more played FPS. Well, look, I mean, there are all these factors that you can talk about that has to attribute to whether people are going to actually watch a game. People aren't really watching Halo anymore, but in my opinion,

viewership, yeah. Right before MLG dropped it, though, they were still the main stage. Yeah, but those numbers that they had watching those tournaments back then don't even compare to what we have now with Call of Duty or in esports in general. Yeah, it was a lot of people for the time, but if you compare those numbers

to now, you'd look back and be like, okay, well, that, it was a lot of people for the time, but if you compare those numbers to now, like, it's still, you know, you would flip back and be like, okay, well, that's not quite that many people tuning into these events, right? So, yeah, I mean, I think like, other factors are you have star power and, you know, you have people like Nadeshot, for example,

and some of the other bigger players, pros, that have these huge fan bases, so wherever they go, whatever game they're playing, people are going to watch it, right? Like people, if Nadeshot decides to move on and play whatever game professionally, a lot of people are going to go and watch that game. Like it's going to be an eSport because... Assuming he has the same level of success, right?

Like hypothetically, if Nadeshot went and played League of Legends and got his butt handed to him, I have no idea if he's good at that game, people would, they'd watch him, and then they'd if he's good at that game. People would watch him and then they'd eventually find someone else in that game. Right, right. So maybe a better example would be if the teams themselves, organizations were signing players. Let's say Optic

went and they have a Halo team. So yeah, some people are watching Halo. Does Optic still have a Halo team? I think they do, yeah. It's Instinct, right? No, the Instinct team is kind of split up now. So two of the players, or three of them were on EG, I believe. And then you have Ogre 2 on CLG now,

which are both big esports organizations. Yeah, I used to love that team, man. I hope I can name them all. But there was Ogre 2, there was Rory, there was Pistola was yeah dude and i was so i i met hex at like an mlg tournament and then he and pistola had like a secret handshake they did and i was like oh my god i wish i was that cool like it was the neatest thing uh but yeah going back to it i don't want to be boring so let's just get into this i can't even like i'm just gonna be you know you guys know me i'm gonna be honest so like i i'm one of those guys who like i can't i can't really

play call of duty anymore like i just don't enjoy playing it as much as i used to you know i don't know if you guys even play it anymore as much, but I'd rather play other games. For you in particular, there's got to be a lot wrapped around it. Like if I'm in a Hashtro lobby, you have to lead everyone, right? You have to be Hashtro. Dude, I probably would suck so bad right now playing Advanced Warcraft. I would probably be just an average Joe. And, you know, I just don't –

what I'm saying is I just don't have the interest to continue to play the game like I used to. Sure, I'll play it just don't, what I'm saying is I just don't have the interest to continue to play the game like I used to. Sure, I'll play it here and there, but rarely. And I love watching it still, and I love being involved in Call of Duty esports. But for me, like, I've moved on to enjoy other games. And, you know, I think that's kind of what attributes to the decline in sales. I think some of the older generation of players have kind of had a little bit of their fill. But, you know, it's up to the publisher and developer to re-engage that audience again and make

something badass, and I think that eventually they'll find something that does that right. Kyle, do you still play? I bought the game like three weeks ago, maybe a month ago, and I don't know, I think I'm on level 26 right now. I'm not loving it. I don't know. They changed a lot. It's a lot to get used to.

We were watching Xcal play earlier, and the way he's handling the boost, the way he's so evasive. He's anticipating his shots. He's coming into engagements from a high angle and dropping down. He's like an impossible target, and I feel like to master something like that, first of all, you've got to be a weird little asian kid and second of all you got to really put your fucking hours in xcal's incredible

on the sticks it was i know i can't do that i'll never be able to do that dude i need to watch more pros play but xcal i think has a shot that is as good as any MLG player. And I know that there was a time when he was, when he was an elite competitive player, not in COD, but in Battlefield, I think something like that. But like he, apparently he played for 20 inch dildos or something.

I don't know if I know the whole story, right? But apparently they were some sort of elite FPS team and he was on there and he was even one of the better guys. He has a strong competitive background, but right now he's a strong pub stomper. His shot has no room for improvement. He just does

really well. He really is one of those players that even watching that, and I really never watched his videos, but it makes me want to go play COD for about three minutes before I'm like, fuck this. I'm never going to be like that. And then just that's it. Now being a great pro isn't about your

shot. It's only that it's a little piece of it. It's about coordination. It's about planning. It's about prediction. It's, you know, it's a whole different thing. He was doing that shit too. Yeah, like there was one point where he like jumped and boosted through that window and like, we were like, I wonder if he has to crouch to pull that move off.

And now that I think about it, yeah, he did. I think that he was double jumping, boosting forward while crouching, and controlling his direction while he went through that window, and then he mopped up three people with a fucking laser. So it's just very impressive to see. He's insanely stupidly good. There's a huge skill gap in this game, too. Like, I think, well, I wouldn't say huge.

It's bigger than the other Call of Duties for sure. Definitely so. It takes so many bullets to kill, and you've thrown in, like, anytime you make it more complicated, anytime you make it harder to play, you increase that skill gap. Halo had a big skill gap, partly because of the way that you evaded, right? Like, you know, the point with Halo, I'm'm not a halo genius so hopefully i have this about right but the thing with halo if you had an unpredictable strafe and you could halo jump while being accurate you had a huge

advantage over like you know a cod style player who might just run forward and do his shots even if you can go four to the body one to the head if you can't do that while strafing unpredictably and jumping, you're going to lose your gunfights. I saw a T-Mark tweet, and he's like, oh, the key to this new COD, and it was pretty early in the evolution of the game, so maybe he's rescinded this, but he said, like, don't use the boost

too often. Treat it like a regular COD. So I tried that for a little while, and it does not work at all for me, because I'm just having to, I'm trying to sneak around a corner, and some cyborg just... just right past me and turns invisible. I saw that too. And I don't remember any of those things at all.

I don't remember any of the special abilities until I see someone use them. Yeah, I'm a classic COD guy, man. If they brought back, like, the CAR 98K, like, the Bullseye Car Riders, like, that shit. They had that. If they brought that shit back, man,

like, the old-school style, where I could peek around a corner and pop somebody with a quicksand with a car 98k like COD 2 COD 3 style like I'm all about that do you have any idea what Trey is doing? are you in the loop? I'm not man but I know like you know I know Vaughn really well

and like he's a buddy of mine and I worked with him on Black Ops 2 but that guy is like he's a buddy of mine and I worked with him on Black Ops 2 but that guy is like, god man he's a genius, right? The guy is a genius. He's the best in the world at his job. He's a hard worker. I can't even begin to, I don't want to spill too many beans

and maybe he won't appreciate me talking about him so much but dude, that guy he is so passionate about what he does as a game designer and he's a genius, man. Yeah, like I just feel like he's like a mad designer and he's a genius man and uh yeah like i just feel like he's like a mad scientist right now cooking something special up like i for some reason i have this feeling that he's like going all out for this next call duty that trey arc's making

he always does so i don't know von as well as you do but i had so i was playing black ops 2 before it dropped and i just happened to get in a party with von and they're in a game with him so we partied up and we played for a while and i was there during his first um player emblem band he's like oh look at this my first penis band of black ops 2 he's an awesome man he's just a legit down-to-earth kind of guy too i mean he's really an intense guy if you get you know him I mean, he's really an intense guy. You know him really well, right? He's a super intense guy. But, yeah, I mean, he's, like, completely witty, man,

and he'll shoot the shit with you and, like, totally down-to-earth. Yeah, that's a perfect example. The guy's got an awesome sense of humor. Yeah. So, yeah, that's fun. But, yeah, I think the next Call of Duty from Treyarch is going to be awesome. I have no idea where it's going. Like, if you told me it was a World War II shooter, I'd be

like, oh, I guess so. They ran out of future. If you told me it was damn near Halo, I'd be like, yeah, I guess so. That's the natural progression. Here's what I want. I want... So we've had three futuristic CODs, it seems like to me. The last three or four seem to have been pretty futuristic. I want

all of these combined conflicts, these Atlas rockets, and all these kinetic space weapons. They've just wiped out the Earth. Giant EMP and we lose all the technology and we're having to go back to fucked up weapons with duct tape on them. Let's have Call of Duty

memories or something. Memories? That's terrible. Whatever, I just made it up on the spot. Call of Duty factions. whatever i just made it up on the spot called factions called factions where like you know you're just broken up into squads and maybe you're like the the north carolina squad or something factions is a great game mode to play on woodycraft.net by the way it sure is hate on me for that bitches go ahead see if i care i'm down for that i'm down for that idea i think that'd be cool i would like to go backwards though i would like the tech to go backwards, though.

I would like the tech to go backwards. I would like it to... Post-apocalyptic Call of Duty? Yeah, post-apocalyptic Call of Duty, where maybe, like, there's been some sort of giant weapon ban, and, like, there's not as many guns. The guns aren't as prevalent. Give us some SKSs.

Give us some, like, basic shit, like some single-shot shotguns. I'd like to go backwards. I don't know. I'm shooting stuff off my wrist. I'm over the whole lasers thing. Everything's a drone now. Everything's a drone. Everything's flying and shooting me. I'd like to

slow that down just a little. I think everybody's always going to be critical of what Call of Duty is, though. There's always so much you can do. It's like, okay, we're in the future for a couple games, and that's like, oh, let's throw it back. But if you throw it back, it's like, okay, well, we've been back here, so... Yeah, I don't know. That's true, that's true.

I like the futuristic thing to a point. What I really am not liking is some of the killstreaks seem to be pretty weak. I'm having a hard time finding a killstreak setup that'll work. If I use support killstreaks, they'll just feed themselves over and over. Wings of Redemption stuff seems to work. Yeah, but I'm not as good as wings, so I can't get those extra three kills

and get that ball rolling. What's wings up to these days? Wings are struggling, man. Hang on, hang on. What's the last thing that you heard about wings? Because we've got to establish a time. Weings is struggling, man. Hang on, hang on. What's the last thing that you heard about Wings? Because we've got to establish a time. Okay, here we go.

Ready? Oh man, shit. Well, he'd just been to your house for a diet. Honestly, like, I think I kind of... I mean, I had to tune out. Let's just get this straight right here so there's nothing against Wings or anybody else. I basically tuned out. I lay low these days. I mean, I had to tune out. Let's just get this straight right here so there's nothing against memes or anybody else. I basically tuned out.

I lay low these days. I don't go to as many events anymore. Like, honestly, I'm, and it's sad to say, I'm more of like a businessman who still plays a bunch of video games. Like, I sit behind a desk. I make phone calls all day. I do paperwork all day.

I do legal accounting and stuff like that, right? So, like, I don't really get to watch, well, when i do you grew up it happens to the best of us yeah so uh so last thing i saw of wings i think was um really like the last videos i actually watched when he was doing like i don't know he was doing some kind of dance off with somebody and he's doing like the milk challenge and shit like that like so i don't that was probably me competing with him in dancing. Yes, it was. It was.

Jackie and I had our way with him in Shaleen. But I have seen from time to time complete outbursts on Twitter or something where I'll be like, oh shit, I'm going to click on Wings' Twitter and check it out.

I hope the guy's doing well because I think Jordy, oh shit. I'm going to click on Wings' Twitter and check it out. I hope the guy is doing well because I think Jordy is an awesome dude. He obviously is a little outspoken sometimes and I don't know. I just hope he's doing well because I had nothing against the guy and I hope he's doing great.

I think he deserves to be happy right now. I don't know. What's going on with him? Brace for impact. What? Okay, then brace for impact. What? Okay, let's hear it. Okay, Wings has had a rough year and a half, I would say. That's about how much you've missed. Maybe two years.

He's had a rough two years. Okay, let me mention this too. Let me mention this too. Okay. I also saw a lot. Okay, this is like the last time I was like, all right, this is kind of what's going on, where he was just always complaining about him not getting views.

Okay, yeah, that was the beginning of the downfall. So, he's not on the show anymore. It was kind of the culmination of a lot of things that brought that about, but there was a survival trip that went on, and

this was kind of like the last straw for me with him. We planned a survival trip. I heard hints of this. I saw there's controversy here. That's all I know. Myself, Woody, and Wings planned this thing meticulously for like a month, maybe two months. We're going to the

Uari National Wilderness in North Carolina. It's a central point for all three of us. We all come in from different directions, but this is where we meet. We're going to spend five days in of us. We all come in from different directions, but this is where we meet. We're going to spend five days in the wilderness. We're going in with a backpack full of shit, but it's basic shit. There's a few creature comforts like wet wipes,

but basically we're going in with a knife and flint and some basic shit. Firearms. And guns. And we don't have a tent. That's the worst part. Or food. No food. Only water purification part. Or food. No food. Only water purification stuff. And no sleeping bags.

None of that shit. It was going to be rough. Yeah, it's rough. Okay. So, and I mean, we planned this thing for a month. Every show we were talking about, it took up a half an hour of everything. Let me jump in for a second. So Lefty was on the show at the time. And Lefty didn't want to do it lefty just said

look camping's not my thing whatever and wings is like you're a pussy if you were a man you'd be on this trip you're a motherfucking pussy you know you just you know did you prove yourself because i saw all the tweets about it so i know i know he backed out okay yeah i didn't know that the back that was awful the back was so bad dude i'm driving i'm in my car i'm three hours into like a six hour drive to north carolina and i call him i'm like or uh maybe i texted but yeah i text him i'm like hey man you know texting as a drive you know we still on haven't heard anything from him he's like i'm not he replies back and texts i'm not going and i'm just like yep what do you mean you're not going and that bounced back and forth for a while we got on skype and texted back and forth myself

woody and him and long story short he was like nope i'm not coming and so woody and i pressed on we got out there and we were doing okay. We had our shelter about halfway done, but we had a fire. It had a base. It had a roof. Maybe three quarters. Go on. I wanted some more work on that base part that we were going to have to sleep on because that looked horrible.

It was dreadful. It did not look good. I don't know if you've seen all the pictures, but long story short short one of the things that occurred on the trip was that we were starving and we saw turtles that were kind of like coming up for air out in the middle of the river that we were next to

so there's this big oak tree like dead in the water so I start climbing up it kind of walking up it with the rifle and I'm kind of looking at a downward angle to the turtles, and I shoot one. Woody doesn't believe I shot it, apparently. But I shot it.

You're accurate. I know when you shoot something, come on, Woody. Right? So I shot the thing, and here's how I know, because there were three turtles in like a pod hanging out, floating on top of the water. I shot it at one in particular and that one did not

dive below with its buddies. He stayed on top and I pumped like two more into him and I run down the tree and put the gun down and jump in the water and start swimming out to the fucking turtle. Kyle can't swim. Aquaman stayed on the shore so his

shoes wouldn't get wet I was wearing long pants and like hiking boots and Kyle's in a swimsuit carry on Woody is literally borderline Olympic class he's literally like as good as you're gonna get without someone knowing your name swimming or something

like Michael Phelps grandpa yeah he's a lifeguard i was a collegiate swimmer i had some records i'm not olympic class but i can yeah okay you're a whole lot better than me so i struggled my way out there and at some point i gulped up some river water and i started vomiting on the other side and i didn't stop until like two in the morning so we walked the fuck out of there and went home. And when I say we went home, I mean I started

a 6 hour drive at 1 in the morning. Vomiting every like 100 miles as I went. What month was this in, by the way? Maybe April-ish, May? Something like that. I don't even fucking know. It was pretty cold. Springtime, then.

So we kind of got off the wings thing, but that's what happened. Was it fall? I don't know. It might have been fall. Since then, he's had kind of a hard time. Yeah, he's been struggling with his channel and going back and forth, and he's not sure what he's going to do. His weight has been a big struggle. He, um... I don't know if you remember, but he spent a month at my house

doing a weight loss boot camp type thing. Mm-hmm. Now he's working with a personal trainer, and it's kind of iffy because he seems to be working hard at it, but he still seems to be gaining weight. So it's kind of tentative. We wanted him to come on tonight,

but he said he wasn't feeling well, and he didn't think he'd be a good guest. We even offered to pay him, but he just felt like he was feeling really down. So I hope he gets better. I hope he gets back on track. Well, Jordy, if you're watching this, man, I hope you're doing good, buddy.

Like, I really do, man. I really do hope he's, you know, like, you know, you guys are good friends of his, too. Like, you should be. Oh, yeah, we will. Everybody wants to see that guy succeed, man. Like, if that guy would. I want him to succeed enough that he's, like, can take care of all of his bills and be happy, but

I don't want him to become a real winner or anything, making like $200,000, $300,000 a year. And he would admit this. He would tell you if you were sitting here. You give Jordy a quarter million dollars a year, he'll become the meanest motherfucker you've ever met. You won't be able to be in the same room with him without him. He was always not this guy, man. He was not this guy, yeah. motherfucker you've ever met. You won't be able to be in the same room with him without him.

He'd look you up and down and just fucking find you wanting. He would let you know. In every case. In any situation. With some shoes you're wearing. Big money. He would turn into that guy. I want to say you're wrong, but I

don't believe you're wrong. Well, but I don't wish him the best. Oh, gosh. Yeah, I don't want to jump on. I want Wings to get skinny, fit, be a fireman, but if you made him a rich man, he would not be a fun guy to be around. That actually is kind of a perfect outcome. If Wings turned skinny and he was a fireman,

he was a working man who met his goals, but wasn't in a spot where he'd look down his nose on everybody else. Because when he was on top of the world, he wasn't good to the world, man. He's grown since then. He could be a whole different person now. I still remember the first time I met him. I was playing with you guys, I think.

I'd met both of you before. We were playing on High Rise and Modern Warfare 2, maybe. And I ruined the spawn trap. And he yelled at me like I just hit his dog in his driveway. I'm not going to lie. I was right with him. I was like, fucking noob. Yeah.

I was really nicer about it, but I bet I shared his thoughts. Yeah, you guys were such a team player. I remember being like, God, I don't even know if I want to be around these guys. Their name is on YouTube, but I'm getting yelled at, and Wings called me a fag. I'm crying. Now, that was too much. at, and Wings called me a fag. I'm trying. Now, that was too much.

Now, he should have called you a fag. That was too much. But I was glad that he spoke up when you messed up the spawn trap, because I was such a team player about that spawn trap. I was watching a narrow corridor that I got almost no traffic. But if I don't stay there and overlook those generators and be dumb, then they're going to sneak through, get behind us, and they're going to flip our spawn. no traffic. But, if I don't stay there and overlook those generators and be dumb, then like, they're going to sneak through, get behind us, and they're going to flip our spawn. I have to stay here and get

my three kills a minute, or the game doesn't work. And I'm sitting there getting them, and then you rush in, and they're behind me, just fucking running through this fast, well, just eating our shit. So yeah. Seriously. We were all a little mad at you, but I remember it well. Can I tell a story?

Okay, this is gaming. When the league play, or ranked playlists, I don't know what it was. It was Black Ops, the original Black Ops, pretty sure. Whatever the ranked playlist was back then, it was pretty serious. I think it was skill-based, if I remember right. I get online, I'm playing with

Wings and Stainville or somebody, and it's like the 4v4 competitive playlist. Wings is super competent, man. He's just like, oh, we're going to go here, we're going to wreck all these guys, whatever. We go into this game, and he's just getting completely dominated, man.

It's seriously the first game we play or second game we play, and I just... Dominated by you guys, or is he with you guys? With us. We're playing with him and we're like, oh, you know, we're playing like a CTF game on like Hanoi or something, I can't remember you know, that map, Hanoi, and so like he's just like dying left and right, he's like

triple negative, you know, and all of a sudden I just hear FUCK! I used to do that all the time I just look down at the kill feed and he's disconnected and I'm like you know, it's just, you know, I think he threw his headset, and he just yelled fucking through some other stuff. He gets offline, never played League Player,

like the ring playlist with him again. I think that was literally the last time I played Call of Duty with Wings, to be quite honest. When I first played Call of Duty, so I played with a group of friends all the time right and like you know that we would just every night we'd sort of sync up and get together and stuff and they weren't great at cod but they were nice good people you know and you just did you let them babysit your kids and i introduced them to wings and after one night they're like

i never want to play with that southern guy again. Never, ever. It's not worth it. I'm like, he's dropping AC-130s every game. Not worth it. He was just so mean to them that if you're not beasting in the game, he doesn't want you around him. Yeah, that's absolutely true. He would yell at me. Oh, there were many times when he would yell at me for his failings right like one example we're playing domination and things aren't going our way you know we're losing the game and we're not used to losing right usually when like a group of

youtubers get together they'll pull a win-loss ratio like in the 20s or 30s heck any team is going to pull a good win-loss ratio but there's a team of people who play a lot and uh and we're getting beat it's an unusual thing and he's mad and he starts cursing me out you know fucking woody you know capture a flag but this was a one of the i guess it was a trier game or yeah because it had the good score board and i'm like check the leaderboard right i'm on top i had like nine captures to his two and he's blaming me for not capturing flags. And then he starts saying that like my captures weren't like the right capture or something. And it's like,

dude, you're not even on my level in terms of playing the objective. And you're fussing me about it. There was another time where predator hit both of us. And he's like, fucking Woody run away from me when there's a predator. And I'm like wings. I don't have to take this shit from you.

You know, I'm not one of your peons. You run away from me. Don't blame me. And I'm like, Wings, I don't have to take this shit from you. You know, I'm not one of your peons. You run away from me. Don't blame me because we're next to each other. It's a two-man party. Is that the Sandy Ravage stream? I remember that. That was a different one. That was hilarious.

I remember that, too. I yelled it in so hard. Here's the background to that. This is what was happening in my head in the Sandy Ravage stream. I know people are going to be talking about this stream again, but I'm playing, it's Wings, Sandy Ravage, some of Sandy Ravage's friends who are very good, and me. And the thing about my play style at the time, it was all about like controlling engagement, setting things up. It was what I called aggressive camping, moving from like a position of advantage to a position of advantage, etc. The trouble is when you're in a lobby of beasts, you get no traffic that way.

You have to be like a Sandy who beats people by hip firing, like first couple shots, hip fire, raise your gun and do whatever and just be amazing. And my play style, like I was doing decent KDs like in the threes and fours, but I would be that guy who was 12-3 at the bottom of the lobby. So I was like, alright, this time I'm going to switch it up. I'm going to try to be Sandy Ravage in this lobby. And I failed. I'm out sprinting Sandy Ravage in these games, running into hails of bullets and getting mowed down. And I just don't know how to fucking find traffic when everyone's so awesome on my team. I just don't know how to fucking find traffic when everyone's so awesome on my team.

And after the game ends, I don't know what my KD was, but it was something bad. I'll make it up. Like, it was 9 and 12-ish. You know, nothing you'd be happy about. And Wings starts, like, telling everyone, check out Woody on the scoreboards. Check out Woody on the leaderboards. He types it in the chat. Look at Woody's KD ratio.

And I was like, fuck you, Wings. Fuck fuck you this is why you don't have any fucking friends because you're bad to people you're fucking horrible human being and i just like railed on him like that and and that was the genesis of that whole thing it was it was because he was taking pleasure out of putting me down because i had a bad game because I was trying to be Sandy. And that's Wings when he's on top. So Wings should be successful, but he will be mean. Well, he could have grown since then. I think the best thing for him is to get, you know, obviously get thin, get in shape,

and just start doing something maybe distant from the whole YouTube thing, because it seems to be toxic for him at times, where he just internalizes too much negativity from people, and then that sends him in a spiral. I think he just needs to get away from it. He's not making many videos anymore.

He's clearly not enjoying it like he used to, and if you ask him, I'm sure he'd say he hasn't enjoyed it for a long time he just came right out and said a while or even years ago like this is a job upload every day you know like four times a day or whatever yeah it has been that at times like like he's he's got a lot of fucking uploads too yeah he does he's made a lot of videos i don't know anyone in the cod scene that's made as many as him and i've made a lot but i'm not he probably has a thousand more than me he's made a lot of videos i don't know anyone in the cod scene that's made as many as him and i've made a lot but i'm not he probably has a thousand more than me he's made a lot um yeah he was uploading like three a day for like a year wasn't he it takes a lot of it it's easy to think that negative criticism wouldn't get to you if you've never had that but like the level of of fussing that he gets, when you're one of those target people, it can get to you more than you might guess.

I've told this before, but I used to watch the Howard Stern show and the guys on there would be talking about people saying, I walk around the street, they're yelling Baba Booey at me. It's terrible. And I would think, why do you care at all at all how can you possibly give the tiniest of shits about that and then um i forget what happened i think it was during the bumping thing but like i woke up one morning and 400 000 people hated me and uh it's like oh until you've tried that you'd be surprised it bugs you yeah yeah that's why i've been laid low i mean we have critics too you know like oh the dude the competitive scene that yeah dude i mean you can lose a scrim and it's fall of optic right you know and uh they're just always hazing you the way the players talk to each other unless

it's changed i used to hang out with a bunch of competitive guys often like i'd play with them and stuff um i used to play with rambo a bunch whenever he streamed um i just type in chat and he'd often invite me to join him and stuff and he's a really good player good guy um but like just the the trash talk they send to each other would hurt my feelings i'm not cut out to be a pro player it's not aside from the whole talent thing dude they're mean they've uh they've changed a little bit i think a lot of those guys have grown up a lot but yeah but there are a lot of like armchair general managers who own esports teams out there there are millions of them and they'll they'll let you know on twitter when you make the wrong decision

for your team and you know of course they know everything about your team and what led to you to make that decision so you know they always like to tell you that you're wrong and you know of course they know everything about your team and what led to you to make that decision so you know they always like to tell you that you're wrong and you know that you're whatever curse word for you know releasing a player or signing a new player whatever you know that people just don't understand a lot of the ins and outs of it sometimes i wonder about the player team dynamic right like you know sometimes you have a player who's more popular than his talent level and and what do you do there right like you know sometimes you have a player who's more popular than his talent level and and what do you do there right like you know did can you drop a guy who everybody loves you know I mean yeah like that's I mean I think you know to be quite honest people who maybe you're watching this

right now that know our team like we're kind of deal with that right now like I had a decision to make. It was aired out everywhere. When we were in Paris for the Esports World Cup, it happened in the middle of the tournament. We were going to make a change after the tournament. One of our players wanted to let go of two others. Is it all public? Use names.

It was formal. Formal wanted us to let go of Jcap and Nameless and bring on Crim and Karma to our team. We could have made that happen quite easily. Everybody else seems to think that we couldn't have made it happen, but we would, I'm telling you right now, it was easy for us to make it happen.

It was no problem, because what happened, you know, basically what happened was we decided not to make the change. I decided to stick with Nameless and Jcap out of, I guess, integrity and friendship to them, but also knowing that we have a much higher risk of the team not working out in advanced warfare the way we want it to work out,

and it's kind of ended up being that recently where our team is kind of, like, you know, middle of the pack now, whereas every year in the past we're top two, top three team every single year. So right now we're kind of middle of the pack, you know, top eight kind of team, and if I would have made the other decision and put Krim and 4Ball on our team,

I mean, we probably would have been in a better position. And, you know, even our players, if they're watching this now, like, they understand because we talk about this, right? But, so I made that decision based on integrity, giving my guys a shot, because we killed it at the end of last season. We won major championships. I mean, we were winning the biggest tournaments.

We were probably the best performing team in the last three or four months of the game. So we made that call. We let formal go. And guess what? Optic drops two of their players and they make that change. So we had that opportunity first because we made it happen. We let it go. Optic ends

up with formal and crim. And now they're the best team in the game and they're winning championships and so on. So you have to kind of balance it out like if i would have made that change i would have gotten completely thrown under the bus people would have hated me hated my guts but at the end of the day we probably would have had the number one team you know optic does it and it's okay because they they were struggling dude it's super hard to evaluate player changes like that like i've got a couple examples one a player who crushed it last season might not crush it this season right the game changes you know what made him so on top and i forget i think it was scumpy who was maybe the best in the game

at modern warfare 3 and then the next one that came out black ops 2 he wasn't the best in the you know he wasn't the best slayer in black ops 2 and uh it's like how did this happen well black ops 2 is a different game you know whatever it was about modern warfare 3 suited his skill set um and then uh of course there's there's also the way they fit optic made some changes was it last year they picked up parasite and somebody else was it was it eggs at the same time i forget but i don't think it's parasite i don't think parasite played for him he's the oh yeah the heavier guy right yeah he was on there dude yeah he played for optic oh yeah they picked up like two players at the same time and you're like oh my god they picked up half of that team that dominated everyone what was their name because

they changed it i can't recall impact but they also were a freako or something whatever but um uh yeah they picked up like half of impact made it optic and now you're like oh my god this is gonna be the greatest team in the world and it wasn't and then like three weeks later or two weeks later they changed out players again they pick up ricky and then ricky leaves them and goes join ricky fought with parasite like cats and dogs and then he goes and joins parasites team and the whole thing is wacky, and you don't know what goes into these things, and it's tough. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But it's calming down in terms of players sticking with teams longer, because they have to, and that'll even get longer, I think, as we go along and get more formal, and MLG starts putting more rules in place and so on. But anyway, for me right now, I'm not just focused on Call of Duty and esports anymore.

We're going to expand our team this year. What are you getting? Do you know? Can you say it? I can't say it yet, man. League of Legends Envy team? No, man. I'm actually going to I really want to sign a Counter-Strike team, so I've been working in the Counter-Strike world and really trying to get up.

How does Counter-Strike's player count compare to COD's? I can tell you in terms of total number of players. really trying to get up how does counter strikes player count compared to cods i can tell you in terms of total like number of players but yeah i can tell you that their streams do better and for major competitions like mlg columbus recently we had 200 000 concurrents at one time which is a pretty good number right yeah absolutely same weekend same weekend dream hack um in sweden Sweden they have half a million concurrent viewers watching the Counter-Strike final there.

I think more people are watching Counter-Strike just because it's more global plus they have some things built in the game where you can bet your in-game content on esports matches. A lot of people are betting their gun skins in Counter-Strike. That's a clever idea.

A lot more people watch it because they have skin in the game quite literally Yeah, that's a really clever idea Yeah, it's really good I looked online at the time What was I going to say? Oh, CSGO had half a million players playing

at the same time and Dota 2 had a million Minecraft half a million players playing at the same time and there's just and Dota 2 had a million Minecraft had a million and League of Legends had more I forget but it was even bigger you know League of Legends is uh it's really big man you know globally because it's really popular in the Asian markets I mean when you get the Asian markets involved like uh you're you know you have a lot more people obviously to cater to so I. I have a question for Kyle, though, again. Kyle, are you still... Have you watched competitive anything anymore?

I'm trying to think the last time I did. No, it's probably been a year. It's probably been a year since I've watched any of that stuff. To be honest. I watched it more recently. Last time I watched it, it got DDoSed. I'm trying I watched it it got DDoSed trying to think what got DDoSed just recently I forget

there was like I don't know was it Anaheim? a lot of them were getting DDoSed I think a bunch of them have been at some point dude that stuff's hard to fight against people who don't know any better are like why didn't you buy DDoS protection I'm sure they did you can buy all the Ddos protection in the world you know i don't even want to give specifics but there are ways around the ddos protection there's you know it's it's tricky to stop yeah when somebody actually knows what they're doing it's pretty it's pretty yeah if i was a dick i could ddos, right? Like, you know, Microsoft and Sony deal with it.

Yeah, I mean, I feel like I've developed a lot of expertise, not just because I'm a technical guy, but I've fallen victim to a thousand different methods of DDoS attacks. It's like, I know them all now! You know, I can do it.

Yeah, hell yeah. Yeah, so. Have you, it's like I know them all now you know I can take that yeah so do you want to change the topic to this the French terror attacks this week sure alright so I don't watch the news anymore so I get my news from Reddit and Twitter and when you do it that way

I feel like it's easy to miss pieces of it so I'm just going to read this headline and maybe you guys can fill in any other little tidbits that you're aware of. It says, a two-day reign of terror ended Friday with the deaths of three terrorists. A countrywide manhunt for the gunman who killed 12 at Charlie Hebdo's

offices Wednesday narrowed to two locations on Friday. In the north, police surrounded the building where the two suspects for the two suspect brothers held a hostage in Paris. Another terrorist connected to a fatal shooting of a policewoman was holding hostages at a kosher supermarket. I don't know what else happened after all that. I think the takeaway from this is America should bomb somebody, right?

Yes. If history hasn't proven this, it doesn't necessarily have to be connected to the terrorist attacks. But if they look like – Who should pay? What's that? Who should pay? Who's my target? Well, they should be brown, right?

I think we excel at bombing brown countries. Pastor, where are you from? My family is egyptian fucking egypt that's it you know it is a muslim country uh perfect my family is uh my family is coptic orthodox christian though so yeah well dude egypt is every bit as responsible for the france attacks as iraq was for 9-11 egypt it is well egypt you know i mean there it's i don't think it has so much to do with the countries because they're they're i mean they're religious fanatics in every country even ours so i but yes some some countries obviously have a higher concentration

of religious fanatics and you know people who, I guess, adamant about it. I mean, if my pattern recognition skills are worth a damn, they just have to be brown. So long as they're brown, we'll bomb them. It's cool. This is how I feel about it, right? I don't know, man. I feel like it's just a never-ending loop of bad events. Oh, yes.

I'm sure we won't be creating more terrorists at all if we just drop bombs on some unidentified country. Yeah, so, you know, I don't know, man. I feel like, uh, I don't know. You know, there's only, you don't want to be a pacifist, but at the same time, you, like, you gotta at some time, like, I guess, call it and say,

okay, let's try to work something out here. Like, let's try to find some harmony here. But, uh, you know, I don't know what that's going to take. Now, this is cool. Al-Qaeda in Yemen, I think, is taking responsibility for these attacks. So this was not another ISIS thing. This is Al-Qaeda making their stand in 2015 as the number one terrorist agency in the world.

Yeah, Al-Qaeda throwing ISIS back in the ring. We need some WWE announcers. And just what you thought, they were down for the count. Al- Qaeda. Have you heard that, ISIS? Back in the ring. We need some WWE announcers. And just what you thought, they were down for the count. Al Qaeda. I want to see ISIS come back in the ring. You know, I rule this town, bitches. Yeah, I mean, it's a sensitive subject, man. Like, I think, you know, I read about...

We try to be sensitive when we discuss it. Of course. I mean, it's fine to joke about, right? Like, that's what I think everybody's making a big deal out of here, right? It's like, you should always be able to have your freedoms. I mean, this is fucking America, right? Like, we should be able to talk about this and have our own opinions and everybody out there in the world should have

their own opinions, too, and that's what we fight for every day. That's what makes this country the fucking best. But we should just always be able to also, like, have concerns about, you know, what makes sense, man? What is logical in the world? Just dropping a bomb on some more people I don't think is very logical at this

point. I think it's proven that that doesn't really solve anything. It just fuels the fire even more. I think it's something that I don't certainly have the answers for, but I also think that there's so much hype around it

that it causes people to pass judgment faster, and I think that's shitty. It's very difficult to say anything about it, because there's always some group that's going to be jumping down your throat every time there's a religious outburst, and if we're being honest, it's not usually a religious outburst, it's

an outburst by Muslims, and if you say that, then suddenly you're racist. Or if you jump way to the other side where, you know, Woody was parodying the people who just want to bomb and, you know, show vengeance and, you know, take it back and just anger. There's just no winning it. You know, you can't even, like, just like you said, people will say, like, well, there are religious extremists in every country. It's like, you know, I would much prefer the religious extremist that holds up a dead baby picture outside of an abortion clinic

than someone who actually goes and methodically murders people for joking about something that they thought was off-color. And people are so quick, especially the left, to pretend that's not a true difference and like, oh, extremism is extremism is extremism, when in reality it's not. You know what I mean? I mean, it's just a true difference and like oh extremism is extremism is extremism when reality

it's not you know what i mean i mean there was just a thing though that said there were more right-wing extremists that killed americans in america by the way since 9-11 than muslim extremists that makes that makes sense yeah yeah that makes sense i was talking more globally not just you know if you go global then then more people die from Muslim extremists. But in the U.S. And even then it's hard to talk about because people say, oh, well, not all Muslims. Well, of course not.

The vast majority are probably good people just trying to live their lives the best way they know how. But you can't put on the blinders and pretend that there aren't certain patterns that are obvious to anyone who's willing to look at situations honestly. Yeah, it's real sensitive, man, I guess. Kyle, what are your thoughts? Let's hear yours. You're the one who brought it up. Did I? Did I bring this up? I think you did.

I don't know. I don't know where I stand on this. Obviously, you've got pockets of extremists who for whatever reason want to do crazy like ISIS in particular seem like really evil individuals. I don't know what they did. They're like something out of James Bond with some of the crazy shit. They're stoning people and

like, you know, eviscerating people and, you know, they crucified some people a while back. Those guys are ridiculous. That's evil. They've chosen to take on to wave the flag of an Islamic caliphate. That's their whole thing.

They're like, we're taking over. We're making this all our country where we'll enforce Islamic law. You can't say that that is not Islamic extremism. It totally is. I keep hearing them say that they're not connected and while I think

they can be connected without them being codependent or anything like that. Officially affiliated. Yeah, officially affiliated. Exactly, yeah. I don't blame other Muslims for what ISIS is doing but they're definitely connected in a way.

I just feel like, you know, the more technologically advanced countries who are civil and, you know, have some kind of peaceful attitude just need to colonize the moon, man, because those fuckers can't get up there. That's for sure. You know, like, just set up shop on the moon, man.

We were looking at a Reddit article earlier, and it said that the United States during the Cold War at one point was considering shooting the moon with a nuclear missile to prove their military superiority to the Russians. That would have been fucking cool. It's not too late. I would love to see that. I want to see a big USA up there.

Big USA. Let's put that up there. Like, just nuke those letters in. However you've got to do it. Laser? I don't care. You think one moon is cool? How about seven oddly shaped moons? You know, that involve... Who needs one moon when you can have

three rings? Too good, man. I don't know, man. I feel really sorry for the people of france and you know i hope that they can overcome that situation and you know and i hope it's i hope this starts to die down a little bit i don't think retaliation is necessarily the answer but like nobody wants to swallow their pride and just take beatings like that and killings and i feel like almost that's almost a solution like look just like you know i feel like they didn't swallow their like it i was kind of proud of fans all goofing off aside they their response

was not violent but they just poured in like the drawings of muhammad the i won't be silenced that you can't defeat me etc you know to me, France doesn't have to start killing Al-Qaeda members, although that's fine by me. They don't have to start doing that to not be the surrender country, right? They can just stand tall and hold their cartoon up. That to

me was as great an act of defiance as something America would do. Sorry, what were you saying? As long as they don't do what Sony did with the interview. As long as they're not like, yeah, alright, we'll just forget about this whole thing. Sorry. Maybe we could just put it on demand somewhere

on the internet. Would that be alright? Let's switch subjects to the interview. Have you guys talked about this yet? Yeah, extensively. I think it's up to $34 million in total revenue from online sales, rent. I think it's up to $34 million in total revenue from online sales, rentals, and it's limited box office release.

It was like $4 million from box office release and like $30 million from online tech. I'm really disappointed by that. It's a disappointment. It costs like $50-$60 million to make. Something like that. What do you guys think about it?

I just feel like I mean, what did you expect, right? Like, you know, I just think that making a film like that is kind of, you're touching on a subject that has to do with global matters, which obviously is dealing with, you know, there are crazy people in the world, right? And like, people that we necessarily don't

really get along with, and you're going to make a film like completely mocking that. I disagree, man. I think it's fine, but what did you expect would happen? Making a film that mocks North Korea isn't any different than making a film that praises US soldiers

who slaughter a bunch of enemy people. We've been showing our side of stuff in our films for quite some time. I'm not saying it's wrong, but what I'm saying is the way they reacted was like, oh... I have a clip to watch. I understand what you're saying, Hastro.

Obviously you should be able to do it, but you can't be dumbfounded when you're like, what? They don't care for it. Of course they're not going to like this. You should be surprised that they're going to come after you for it. The way we do this

is we all click on the link and queue up at zero and then somebody counts down and we watch it together. What are we watching? Do you see the channel on the right? I'm not sure if you have the chat showing for you. Hold on a second. This is a little clip from one of my favorite Leslie Nielsen films. It's a great movie.

The Naked Gun from the Files of Police Squad. This is the part at the beginning when Frank is inserted overseas. Forgive me, I don't know my 80s world dictators, but I think Gorbachev's there with the birthmark on his head.

Maybe the Ayatollah Khlemeni and like the Iranian leader and a few others and he's about, so everybody queued up at zero? I am. Castro? I was worried about you. Good, good. 3, 2, 1, play. I can't remember who that guy is. Oh, Yasir Afshar.

He's a name tag on him. That's the president of Libya. This is the president of Russia. He just scrubbed off the Earth. Soviet Union, yeah. Ayatollah Khomeini, this is the leader of A-Rain. Give him the real Three Stooges treatment. Starting to feel amazing.

Leslie Nielsen's great. I wish they made more comedy movies like this. They just don't make this style of movie anymore. At all. I'm Lieutenant Frank Drebin. Police squad. And don't ever let me catch you guys in America. But I feel like, you know, we used to, like, none of those world leaders, like, made a big deal out of the naked gun. I just feel it's silly for, you gotta look at who we're dealing with. It's fucking Kim Jong-un.

That guy is insane. His people don't believe he has a butthole. It's true. It's real. They really don't think he has an asshole. That's true. It's on the Frontline Netflix or whatever it is special. I watched that. Yes. It's real. They really don't think he has an asshole. That's true. It's on the Frontline Netflix or whatever it is special. I watched that.

Inside North Korea. It's really good. You guys, it's like, you know, it's subtitled, but it's like, yeah, it's like they do not believe he has a butthole. What? What? Really? Are you serious? Yes, they don't think the guy shits. He's like running at 100% peak efficiency, so he doesn't

require an asshole. Like, he's Kim Jong-un. They think he's shits. He's running at 100% peak efficiency, so he doesn't require an asshole. He's Kim Jong-un. They think he's a god. It's ridiculous. He'd be a lot less tubby if he was really running at 100% peak efficiency. I think so, too. Maybe the reason he's tubby is that he's at 99% efficiency,

and he doesn't poop. Yeah, that's probably it. It just accumulates. Over time, that accumulates. I just feel like anytime you take that guy seriously, you're making a big mistake. That guy's a troll. That guy's an internet troll in a gray suit.

In platform shoes. The second he does anything stupid, the world is just going to fuck him up. Don't worry about him. Jackie made me an ice cream sundae while that movie was playing. Let's see what you got. It appears to be Oreo ice cream sundae while that movie was playing let's see what you got let's get it let me let me make it appears to be like Oreo ice cream maybe there might be several flavors in here we have magic shell and

marshmallow topping all right let me I gotta do something I gotta see if I can get some ice cream text serious oh wait never mind are you gonna have ice cream delivered. Are you going to have ice cream delivered? I hope I'm going to have ice cream delivered. You've texted Kitty like four different times to have her deliver things, and I think you're at zero percent. I think he has an ace in the hole. Kitty's in Colorado. So I've got a new helper.

So Jeremy got his girlfriend pregnant again, and so not again since we've all been talking about it, but it's his second pregnancy. That would make sense. He really wanted her to have this kid. Anyway, I think they're due soon. Anyway, that kind of ruined his life and all, and him being able to be my helper slash assistant.

He had such the life. Dude, he has a slow-witted friend whose name I won't use on the air, but he is... What does it rhyme with? He had such the life. Dude, he has a slow-witted friend whose name I won't use on the air, but he is... What does it rhyme with? I'm not going to say because that makes it so easy. But let's just call him Steve. No, let's call him Kevin because that will be easy, like Kevin from The Office because he's pretty much the same speed.

He's like Kevin from The Office. He talks really slowly. He's like, oh, good gracious. Well, I reckon I could be there at 10 a.m., but Sunday don't work for me, Mom and Daddy. Daddy's the deacon at the church. I got to be there for Sunday services. Can't work on a Sunday.

And I'm just like texting back. I'm like, all right, we're filming at Monday. Be here at 10 a.m. He replies back, filming on Monday? Question mark? Yes. Yes. Filming on Monday. See you then.

10am? I reckon I could be there by 10 or 10.15. I will be there at 10. Be there. What we doing? be there at 10. Be there.

What we doing? He's a little bit, he's so slow that like, I don't know, I told him to fill up a can of gas and he was like, how much gas you want? I'm like, fill the truck up and then fill the gas can up. I don't care, I just need some gas. I come back and he's like meticulously

topping off the jug until it spills all over himself. I have to put a plastic bag around his boot to put him in my car. Come on. That's not slow. That's being precise. That's what that guy is, man. Come on. You've got to love that.

He's wanting to do a good job. He's $10 an hour of all the fun you can have. I'm going to get him on the show and spin the wheel of pain if I can make it happen. We're working Monday. We're filming Monday, and I'm going to talk to him about the wheel of pain, getting him involved. He's a nice fellow. I know I just made fun of him a bit, but it's just comical to talk to him.

Hopefully, I'll get this. I'm pretty sure he's 21. I'll get him to sign some papers, get him on here and spin the Wheel of Pain. You don't know about this, but I came up with this thing. It's a wheel. You spin it. Let me get the Wheel of Pain. Hang on. Yeah, let's do this.

We really went all out with the production quality on the Wheel of Pain. You'll be impressed. That's where all the Patreon money for that month went. Into the Wheel of Pain. I think there were magic markets involved and went. Into the Wheel of Pain. I think we're going to Michael's. Bought a bunch of construction paper. It sounds like it's so much up Kyle's alley right now.

It is. He gets more excited for these crafts than he's willing to admit, I think. He really enjoys them. He actually stood up off the couch. He's making the move. That's a regular thing. Every 40 minutes or so, he'll stand up to have to grab some trinket.

Usually by the time he gets back, we forget why we wanted to see it. He couldn't just tell me about it. A gun, a giant mannequin. There was a time when he was shooting potato guns. Every topic change, he would just blast something with a potato gun. In the house. He'd be willing to do that tonight, I bet. I just saw him.

There he is. What's up? Nothing. No, we weren't talking about you at all. I'm waiting to see this. Oh, Taylor, I found a gun while I was back there. This was at 1911 I was going to send you forever ago. It's kind of in pieces now. Well, you just took it in pieces. We can see how

that happened. Well, I mean, these aren't all the pieces, though. There are more pieces that make up this gun. These are the scissors I was going to send you. They're kind of separated right now. What are you going to do? So this is the Wheel of Pain.

It's all red, right So let's just say that let's just say that Hastro was spinning the Wheel of Pain. You spit it for me? Is that how it works? I can't. I'm the magenta

or the red. I know, but I'll help you. That actually really scares me that I can't see that. So it says cattle prod. You would take

a jolt from a cattle prod. So I have to bite on the Georgia to see you? Well, no, no, no. See, when we're going to do it, the person will be in the room with me. So I will administer the cattle prod. Okay, okay. And you can spin the wheel as much as you'd like. Do some more spins and see how it goes.

Oh, yeah. I would love to spin it again. As much as you'd like. I would love to. Come on, just read them off. Read everything off for me. Oh, okay. So, there is the cinnamon challenge, followed by

the one gallon of milk challenge, back to back. It's like a back to back duo? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Get a painkiller already tattooed anywhere on your body. I was going to make it like two square inches, three square inches, something like that, fairly big. I believe this one is

five pickle shots. I'm going to get out of this game on the tattoo thing. You're going to have to change that. I won't be able to do the tattoo, man. There's no fucking way I'm putting a PK tattoo on my phone. That's years of explaining. This guy already has an FPS Russia tattoo,

so I felt like he was... Yeah, he's totally up for it. So the red one here, this is five pickle shots. Now, a pickle shot is another delicacy of my former assistant, Jeremy. You do a shot of pickle juice followed by a shot of tequila, or maybe the tequila followed by the pickle juice. I don't remember which, but... That sounds better.

That's easy. Now, this yellow guy here, that's $200 cash. That's why he's here. This is why we play that, right? This is why we play the game. This one shot in the ass with a potato gun. I've got a pretty good potato gun.

And that's the show. I think that would be really hilarious. It could be tweaked a little, obviously. I made these up on the spot. With the tattoo there, I think you need to up the yellow $200. That needs to go up. I've actually got a guy who will do the tattoo for free. I'm sure there are plenty of guys

like that, but I'm just saying. If you want somebody who's actually... When you do this, I think it's like just having a bunch of crazy bastards in the room. It's not as appealing as if you actually had one person who was legitimately scared and worried, but they want that money.

You know what I mean? You see what I'm saying? You want to see someone that's actively fearful at the prospect. Exactly, right. That's the only thing that's going to make this fun is when you see somebody's face who's just completely scared out of their mind that they're going to have to get PTA on their ass.

It wouldn't be ass. It'd be on the palm of the hand or something like that. I think on your shoulder or something like that. That's where Jeremy's Russia tattoo is. It's on his shoulder, on his right shoulder back there. I think Mirka should get P.K.A. tattooed on his penis. And if it's me, I'll have Painkiller Already, episode 213. Hold on a second.

I want to show you guys this. Featuring Wheel of Pain. I'm about to find something for you guys. Is it really gross porn? Because if so, we've probably seen it. No, no, no. This guy got a...

He's a guy in the Navy. Got an Envy tattoo, like, on his chest. Like, it's our logo, like, right here. But whatever. I'll see if I can find it or not. But he's a nice guy. I just think he's a crazy bastard for getting that on his chest. Yeah, that is quite a lot of commitment.

Yeah, which, you know, now every day I have to wake up knowing that I can't fail for this guy. No, you can't. It's like we're a pro gaming team. You'd be letting the country down. Yeah, I'd be letting a lot of people down, man. This guy's a Navy... He's a serviceman.

Tattoos are a big deal. I don't have any tattoos. I'm hesitant to get one not because I'm afraid it's going to hurt or that I don't have any tattoos, and I'm hesitant to get one, not because I'm afraid it's going to hurt, or that I don't think they look cool. I think it would hurt, but I wouldn't care too much, and I think they do look cool.

But I don't know what I would get. I've had some thoughts, I've had some considerations. The whole Molon Labe thing interested me for a while, and then it became trendy, and everybody had one, and I didn't really want to do that.

It's the Greek letters that say come and take them. It's kind of a gun rights thing while being historical at the same time. I kind of like it, especially if you use the old Greek alphabet. But Jeremy just doesn't seem to give a fuck. This guy that helped me. He was just like...

When I mentioned the coup d'etat, so I filmed this video with him. I gave him a couple hundred bucks and I was like, we'll tase you, pepper spray you, and shoot you with a rubber buckshot. And in my head, I'm like, he'll never do it, he'll never do it,

he'll never do it. As a cherry on top, we're going to put a tattoo on you that says FBS Rush or something. He's like, all right, let's do it. And we fucking did it. And, you know, we tattooed that shit. I filled in

half the tattoo. Like, the guy gave me the fucking tattoo gun. It was so hilarious. I'll never forget. In the most white trash tattoo parlor ever, we're in there and I'm like, hey man, like, is there any way that we could film me, like, doing some of the tattoo? And he's like, absolutely not.

First of all, that tattoo gun is $650. You feel me? That's my baby right there. Second of all, Help Board comes in here and sees you over there in the chair. What the hell are they going to do to me? I tell you, they're going to take my license right off the damn wall. Take my business license and run me out of town.

No, I can't be having that. I was like, do you have internet? He's like, yeah, right over there. Let me show you what we do. And I showed him like three FPS Russia videos. And he goes, alright, well you don't want to step on that pedal? Hold it like this. Now be kind of loose in the wrist though.

And I'm just like, alright. Next thing I know I'm fucking wearing some rubber gloves behind Jeremy going, fucking carving into his skin with a tattoo gun. Did you find it? Yeah. Oh, wow.

I mean, it looks pretty cool. It does. He did a good job. Somebody did a pretty good job. That's from life. That's what I'm saying, man. I'm like... Yeah, that is so... Dude, it's like...

What if you tweeted back at him and been like, that's really gay. Respectable, neat soldier that came back here to the States. Dude, I would attend MLG stuff with no shirt on all the time. Dude, but 30 years down the road, man. Like, when your grandkids are like, when your grandkids are like,

when your grandkids are like, what's that? Alright, they can leave that. This was a gaming team I liked. Yeah, right. But yeah, I guess it's cool. I'm honored by it. What if your grandpa had, like, this big, like, it looked like a pile of rabbit shit on his

arm, and you're like, Grandpa, what are all those, like, gross black circles? Well, back in the day i was the marbles champion i was the leader of the marble circuit back when it was the number one game and these are all my marble championships well it looks like a bunch of rabbit shit now grandpa because you're 80 years old no one plays marbles not even that's what i would be worried about. The equivalent is, back in the day, I was really into watching marble competitions. Oh, right. Yeah, but it was like a fun...

Wait, wait, wait. Hang on a second. Please. I have a question. Wait. Maybe I missed a small step. That guy doesn't play for you? No. That guy's a fan. He's a fan of the team. That's so mind-blowing. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no.

Oh, no way. Don't hate on me. Oh, my God. Here's the deal. This is what I'm hoping happens. I'm hoping that esports gets so big and so massive that it becomes like the NFL so that in 30 years, this is totally cool.

It's all right, man. You know, like, if I go out and get a Dallas Cowboys tattoo, I'm not going to get really, like, wrecked for that, right? Like, I mean, maybe a little bit. But, you know, it's okay. Like, okay, you're from a certain area. You know, like, okay, you're from Texas. I mean, this industry is so young.

You guys could very well have a logo redesign. So, yeah, what you're telling me is... It's not like your classic Dallas star. That's what concerns me. I was going to say it. One day, potentially, we change our logo. Actually, it's probably going to work out better for him because

nobody will actually know what that is. He can make it whatever story he wants. The funny part about this is even in Hastro's Wildest Dreams, this guy has to have this tattoo for 30 years before it's acceptable. You know, man, maybe

30 years is normal. I'm out there working hard, though, man. I'm hoping it happens sooner than that. We have a pretty big following. It's growing. It's getting bigger. That's awesome. I'm not taking anything away from what he did. I know.

What he did is above and beyond. I think about this guy all the time, man. He haunts my thoughts, man. I'm sitting here like this, doing some paperwork. I'm like, fuck this paperwork that I have to do. I want to just play video games and do whatever we used to do.

I do all this paperwork, and I'm like, man, this guy got a tattoo. I got to do. So I do all this paperwork, and I'm like, man, this guy got a tattoo. I've got to do this. You should get an empathy tat, the same one in the same place, so that you're cemented to it as he is. Yeah, that'll never happen. I have no tattoo.

If there were some... I would like some motivation to get a tattoo. If someone paid me money to get a tattoo, I think I could... I need that excuse. You know what I mean? Like some reason for me to... I don't want to be judged on the decision.

Does that make sense? I think that's a little... You don't want to be called an outsider and be like, well, I did it because so-and-so gave me this or that. Yeah, like, yeah. To own it and be like, oh, I was such a big fan of Team Envy

that I had them bolted on my chest forever and ever. Here's a couple examples of tattoos that I think are really cool. I watched the movie Knock Around Guys. Vin Diesel's in it. They're basically like sons or nephews of connected mobsters, and they get in a little trouble. He's half Jewish, and he's got the Star of David tattooed on his arm, and it looks so fucking cool.

Of course I'm not Jewish, so I could never get something like that. But if you're Jewish, you could totally rock the Star of David and it would look cool. Also, I think most military tattoos, like the Marine Corps stuff, that all looks cool,

but you've got to be in the fucking Marine Corps. Yeah, you have to earn that. You have to earn that, yeah. And so none of those are options for me. So I'm left with what? Some silly thing I come up with in my imagination? Or maybe something I'm a big fan of? But look at the things I'm a fan of.

They're pretty lame. And you wouldn't want to... They're so cliche. What am I going to do? Get some gun emblem? Yeah, get a Georgia Bulldogs G that looks like Green Bay as you age. Yeah, exactly. All American in swimming.

I was thinking of getting that logo you probably don't know it but there's like an eagle and he's perched on maybe a shield that says all american or something but i didn't so i didn't um and then i thought about getting like a youtube thing there was a time when youtube was so big in my head and and i was really proud of the fact that i got a million subs and i was like maybe i'll do a gold play button or maybe I'll do the YouTube logo, which could always change. And, uh,

I don't know. Since then, I'm now kind of glad I didn't do it. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I,

um, I never considered getting any tattoos that were related to like any persona or, uh, any company or anything like that. The, the only one I really considered was the Molon Labbe thing. I thought that was cool.

And that was about it. I really don't know. I'll show you. I'll just link you. Okay. And that wouldn't even have to be a very big tattoo. That could be a little one you put somewhere where nobody wouldn't see it or nobody would see it rather.

Yeah. There was a time when a million subs was a really exclusive club. Like I think when I got it, I was like the 112th largest channel in the world or something like that now you know every generation of youtubers like surpasses the numbers of the one before it like i don't know i didn't get a tattoo you know like there's gonna be a time when little 12 year old squeakers are getting a million subs just because yeah wouldn't you feel like a real dick 30 years from now like this is what I got a million subs it's like grandpa I've got 3.4 post a picture of my cat shitting and got 500,000 this morning that's exactly it you know I did a review on a new sofa lounge.

A million people wanted to see it. It'll be... An unboxing of my hovercraft. Is this actually like modern Greek, Kyle? Yeah. I think it's like ancient Greek. It's different stuff, though. That's just a bunch of different ones. I like the ones that are like the more...

Like the old Greek letters. I don't know about the Spartan helmet and everything. But ones, but I like the ones that are like the more, like the old Greek letters, and I don't know about the Spartan helmet and everything, but I kind of just like the letters. The Spartan helmet is the one that appealed to me, but the sideways one. I could have gone crazy, you know? There's so many symbols, and

hieroglyphics, and all this crazy stuff. I could have gone tattooed on my body. I could have done all sorts of stuff. You could have gotten tattooed on my body. I could have done all sorts of stuff. I could have gotten some crazy Egyptian shit on there. Yeah, but I stayed away from it. Maybe get an all-seeing eye at the top of your neck and get a whole Illuminati thing going too.

That would make you really mysterious. Maybe you could use that to recruit and stuff. You could bring that up and say, look, there's a higher power here working through me. I'm sure there's something completely badass that I could have found.

Is Eon still a thing? It is. It is? That seemed like a less than full throttle it is. I mean, we focus on our teams as businesses more so than that. And, you know, I don't know

if we can keep it going on the long run, but yeah, I mean, we still, we're doing some business and, yeah. It always seemed like Optic and Envious were kind of, I don't know if sister teams is the right term, but yeah. No, I wouldn't say that, but we were trying to, you know. There was a time when that seemed

to be true. Well, this was a really, you it's still a young space right like we were just trying to work together to um to grow faster you know and and just uh i wouldn't say we were working together in terms of like being in collusion but we were trying to um i guess be progressive with you know bringing more dollars into the scene and to help i feel like there was a time where legitimate if a player didn't show you might look to each other's rosters to you know help out the short team or i wouldn't say we really conspired together to do that it just kind of happened that the quality of the fire was not the word i'm looking for they just seem like they were i don't know your friendship was tighter with, you know, Optic than maybe some other team.

Yeah, but we're still rivals. Like, you know, we play each other. And our fans, like, you know, they kind of take on to that a little bit. Obviously, we're still all friends, really good friends. And we all go out and we can have a dinner together, have some drinks. And like legitimately just a couple Optic guys

and a couple Envy guys can sit down at a table and we eat together and have a drink and talk and we talk about things that are going on and I think the whole Call of Duty esports scene all the pros have turned into the it's turned into more of like a fraternity I think like people like to see each other at events, hang out with each other but then it's really

what's really neat about it is that when those guys get in the booth and they start playing against each other all that stuff goes out the window and you really want to beat that guy. I think that fuels it even more. It's like if you have a brother, that kind of competition where you have that rivalry with your brother, it's that. Who's on your roster right now?

We have Clayster, Jcap, Merc, and Nameless. Where's Rambo? Rambo is working for Sledgehammer Games now. He left the pro scene? Mm-hmm. Huh.

Yeah. And he still works with our team. So, yeah. Right, right. It seems like Rambo's bounced around from team to team, but he's never left an enemy behind. You know, every time he leaves a team, they pretty much wish him well.

Yeah, he hasn't been on too many teams to be quite honest i mean yeah optic yeah extravagant optic envy i really don't think those are his major teams i didn't mean to imply it was that it happened all the time but yeah you know he well he hasn't been on too many teams but he's he's he's been in a bunch of trades in my head i don't know more than normal, but you know, like it seems like Optic dropped him and picked him up a half a dozen times. Yeah. We had like, I mean, like Scumpy was actually on Envy before he played for Optic.

And after he played for Optic. Yeah. And well, Nadeshot played for Optic first. And then we had a stint with him for a few events and like Ops 1, where Nadeshot played for Envy. And then he went back to Optic. And then I told you. You denied it a minute ago. But I'm like, yeah, man, you guys

used to like players who go back and forth. You know, Rambo was on. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, we've had players obviously like go back and forth between the organizations and I mean, it just, honestly, it's about finding chemistry amongst teammates in a

specific game and that's what it's all about chemistry amongst teammates in a specific game. That's what it's all about. Let's see here. What did I have? It turns out that, according to Washington Post, they rated the 34 worst countries, 34 worst countries in Europe. Second to last is Ireland.

Here we go again. The Ireland thing. Second to last is Ireland. They're the worst at what? Overall? Oh, let me see. How they found this ranking it's pretty great quality of life and employment opportunities

oh that's great wow i did not know so so astro said just in case you didn't know about two weeks ago kyle was goofing around and said ireland was terrible and then everyone was like oh my god i can't believe you just said that about my country so last week he doubled down it was like ireland is terrible and like backed it up with some stats or like the country size or something like that apparently ireland's smaller than atlanta in terms of population and such and he was right. And I did not see this coming. The tripling down of Ireland smashing.

So, Kyle, before you go on your rant, who is the worst country? I know second worst is Ireland. Who's worst? I actually didn't click it. I didn't click it. I didn't read that far into it. I didn't care who was the worst. I looked for Ireland right away.

I pressed control F and found Ireland. Straight in on them. I also read a few things about the potato famine and the numbers there were just humiliating. Just because they didn't grow enough potatoes one year, half of them died. That's literally what happened.

They didn't grow enough potatoes and half of the Irish people died. This is an island off the coast of... Don't get me embroiled in that whole UK versus Britain thing, but it's an island off the coast there surrounded by waters full of fish. But they ran out of taters, and half of them fucking swam. Dude, that can't be right. It was half? Really?

Yeah, let's't be right. It was half? Really? Potato famine. Do you think it's too soon? No, it's not. That was like 1860. 1860, 1880, something like that. Was it really? I don't know at all.

I was surprised it was that far back. The Great Irish Potato Famine. I'm trying to find this thing. During the years from 1845 to 1850, around 800,000 people died of starvation or of other famine-related diseases such as typhus, dysentery, scurvy. Scurvy! Or pellagra.

A further 2 million people immigrated. They fucking left. Unlike earlier famines in which the population recovered quickly from the catastrophe and continues to grow, the after effects of the Great Irish Famine were such that the population of Ireland,

starting at 8.2 million people in 1841, declined to 6.6 million by 1851. That's 10 years. They lost, what's that, 4, 7, 1.2, 1.6 million people. 50 years later, Ireland's population was still showing a decline, down to 4.5

million. And it's still going. You guys are losers, Ireland. I don't know what you want me to say. Wow. Kyle. Poor Ireland. Say a good losers, Ireland. I don't know what you want me to say. Kyle. Poor Ireland. Say a good thing about Ireland. We'll treat it like therapy.

I know you hate them, but what's a good thing about them? Name only to say two good things about Ireland. I don't think they suffered any casualties during World War II. Excellent. Good starter. Good way to start. Positive. He's knocking them for being

warm. Neutral. Apparently I was wrong. The Irish did figure out a way to make liquor out of potatoes. Contributed to the famine, I believe. They had a special word for it, though. I always heard it called

potato vodka. They have a special word for their potato liquor, I guess. Their accents are awesome. They're Irish. That's a thinking of Scotland. No, Irish accents are pretty cool, I think. They're pretty good. Hard to understand in those, like, live leak or YouTube videos if shit's going down.

It's like they're not even speaking English. And this is when they'll say, well, we were speaking this kind of English before you were or some douchey comment ah fuck those people I've met some Irish people they're awesome man they're awesome people don't you talk about that with Kyle

in this podcast right now I'm like countering Kyle right now I didn't know they were so rare though I have a good amount of Irish blood in me. Rarer every year. Oh, goodness. My grandmother came here from Ireland. 30 years from now,

COD Esports, you'll be able to get a tattoo. Nobody will think shit about it. Get a big logo on yourself. But there will be no Irish left in the world. What are they going to use Ireland as once they're all gone? What do you think? What do you propose? Leper colony

Leper colony? Ireland has the highest rate of cystic fibrosis in Europe Really? You guys are just wrecking them right now I'm not, that's a fact I was trying to find Kyle's thing and it was what every country was worst at

There's no rabies There's no rabies in the UK. The whole island there. We could turn it into a positive and say Ireland is best at cystic fibrosis. Well, that's a hard one to spin. There you go.

So fuck Ireland. That's that for the night. Oh, do you want to talk about the presidential elections? Do I? No, no, no. Come on, man. No? How many times do I get the chance to come over here and talk to you guys?

And I haven't talked to you in so long. Let's not talk about the presidential election. Come on. But we hate them all. Dude, I'm sure, man. Oh, God. Can I just request a pass? Wow, you're really hardcore about this?

We've got fun stats. We were looking up stuff. Dude, when's the next show? Yeah. Wow. Dude, I don't want to talk about it. You just don't like politics? You just hate talking about it?

No, no, no. I follow politics. I wouldn't say adamantly, it. You just don't like politics? You just hate talking about it? No, no, no. I follow politics. I wouldn't say adamantly, but I read the news every day. And, yeah, I mean, it's just something I think is just completely, like, boring right now. So, but anyway, go ahead. Well, if you guys want to talk about it, go ahead.

I won't. All right. Well, now I'm not into it. Your show. So, once again, there are Bushes and Clintons. J.I. Bush is talking about making a run for it. Mitt Romney is talking about coming back again on the Republican ticket. Then on the Democratic side, you have another fucking Clinton.

You've got Hillary Clinton, and there's always a few other. People have said Joe Biden and a few others. But now it's looking like a Hillary Clinton, maybe Jeb Bush face-off, which would be insane. And Woody looked up this little statistic. Hit him with it, Woody. There hasn't been a successful GOP ticket without a Bush or a Nixon on it since the 1950s. Since the 1950s, a Nixon or a Bush was on the ticket,

or the Democrats won. Bam! That's a thing. I can't even run through it. I have it here in front of me. Eisenhower won in 1960, and Nixon was his vice president. That was eight years. Nixon was president in 1968, so that was four years.

And then I think he got reelected, but he didn't serve his second term. Yep. So then Ford did that, but he wasn't elected. Ford didn't win the reelection. Carter took over. The next guy, now we go into the Bush League. Reagan took it in 1980s, served for eight years with Bush

Sr. as his VP. The VP became the president. That's four more years. Then they lose for a while in the Clinton's rocket. Then Bush Jr. takes it, and he rocks eight years. Since 1950s, there hasn't been a successful gop ticket

without a bush or nixon disgusting disgusting yeah we sit back and laugh at royal families across the country right whether they're we're like these saudi princes you know we're like princes what and they get a piece of the gdp that's insane and you know the british monarchy and all that. Meanwhile, you've got the same little group of people running this country for decades. Let me ask something. What about the House and Senate

control, though? Look at those stats. Oh, if you did that, you'd see similar patterns, I bet. Like, really disgusting stuff. It's rough. Well, yeah. Yeah, it's bad. That's where I'm at. Alright, so. Yeah, it's bad. That's where I'm at. All right, so now that we've hit politics,

as exciting and fun as that was, and depressing as well, all right, so I want to talk about the next PKA trip thing we're going to do. Okay. So there are two ideas. One is that we could do the paintball thing. I and Kitty have contacts with paintball people in Canada who are interested in maybe doing something I'll email her tomorrow and find out where that's going but that was a possible trip

where basically the crew would go play some paintball somewhere and have like a fan meet up as well and then I think what we're going to do as far as videos next time is have an actual videographer, basically. We'll have a guy there whose job is to be... He's got eight memory cards

and three batteries, and he's just shooting us, and he's responsible for making stuff happen. We storyboard everything out to begin with, and he edits and gets it up in a timely fashion. That side of things will be better, because we're kind of learning as we go with this thing. Yeah, shoot Aviator a message.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He tweeted me. He thought it was funny. Wait, what did I dismiss? Who tweeted you? Aviator, Aviator, because we admitted that I was the one that shot him at paintball

and pissed him off that time. Oh, okay. What did he say? He was like, ha, ha, you're the one that shot me. You jerk, blah, blah, blah, like something like funny and he's probably over it by now yeah you're so excited you're right right yeah it's two years

two or three years ago so um paintball i would love to do especially in canada because i bet it's still chilly up there i like it cold when i play i want it to hurt um also i am not opposed to some sort of a and i've always been clear on this since... I guess I haven't always been clear on it. But I would be okay with anything from hardcore survival to borderline camping, anywhere in between and doing it anywhere in the world, frankly.

Also with a videographer. And Hastro's going to come too. Damn. He's going to live on the land and he's going to... I was almost an Eagle Scout, man. I can do it. What? Now that's the kind of skills we need. I would have been an Eagle Scout

had I not had to move. What were you? I got to life, I believe. Life? Is that the one right before Eagle? It's either the one right before or the second to the last before Eagle. What did you still need to do to make the Eagle?

I was literally about to start doing my Eagle project maybe within two months before I moved. I was born and raised in East Texas. I lived there until I was 16 years old. I was basically

in the same Boy Scout troop, I guess, my whole life. From Cub Scouts to Boy Scouts. Family's got to move. You're gone. I didn't know anybody where I went. I was done. I was Boy Scout too. I was first class, which is two ranks below life.

It looks like you go from first class to start. What's that? Was life right before Eagle? Yes. ranks below life. It looks like he goes from first class to star in life. What's that? Was life right before Eagle? Yes. Taylor, were you a scout at all? I was not. I was a Cub Scout until my father started to dislike the way that

some of the other boys' fathers were looking at my mother, who was a den mother of some kind. And I had to stop being a Cub Scout to fix that problem. mother, who was a den mother of some kind. I had to stop being a Cub Scout to fix that problem. I was one kind of Scout. When I was younger, my parents made me go to this religious camp.

They knew that all the guys really wanted to be Eagle Scouts because we were young and that was cool. When you heard that, it's like, you get to go start fires and shoot animals and make weapons or whatever you imagine from the outside. And they tried to trick us because apparently they thought we were retarded. And they'd be like, all right, you're going to earn your Solomon badge

by giving this taco to a homeless guy. And it's like, no, this is horseshit. My parents fooled me into this nonsense. I'm not going to do your good deed Jesus nonsense just to get these meaningless tokens. Look at this injured man. Let's get the Good Samaritan badge. Yeah, the Good Samaritan. What was the other things they wanted us to do?

There was like a badge for memorizing scripture as if going out into the wilderness. Well, I walked through the valley of the shadow of death. When I was homeschooled, for 7th and 8th grade, and let's see,

I'm trying to think what year that would have been. I'm 28, and it's 2014, so 15 years ago. So 1998, 1999, somewhere in there. There weren't as many homeschooling programs,

so we had to find a Christian one. And part of my homeschool learning materials was fucking scripture! I memorized one of them. And I was just like, Mom, let's just not do the scripture part anymore. I'm not

doing that. I was like, let's do math, and let's do literature, and that's it. I was like, let's do math and let's do literature and that's it. I was like, I'll watch the Discovery Channel. Watch the History Channel. I'll get that down. Math and English. And that's all we did for two years and I was fine. Dude, when I was a kid, there was something.

So there was a group and it sounded like the coolest thing in the world. It was St. Peter's Youth, but they called it Spy, right? So Spy sounded like fucking awesome. You were just in there sneaking on people. And we went to a camp, but the camp was run by this military guy. And I shit you not, one of the things that really got me as a kid is he was able to jump off unusually tall things. There'd be a 14-foot wall, and he had some army training,

so he could jump off and roll in such a way that now every parkour dude is doing it. But at the time, it was like, whoa, that's pretty high to jump off of. I think I want to be a part of Spy. And we went to this overnight, week-long camp, and my entire goal in this camp was to get laid. I'm like 13 or something, and I didn't even get kissed. But yeah, that was my spy experience

nobody did dude like i'm not judging you we never um we never really had the freedom to go out like there were girls and there were boys and anytime you mix them you did good stuff can happen but uh like we never got any freedom to to like make that make a go of it there were girls you i don't know make making eyes at it, and their eyes were returned. Like one time, basically for like 15 minutes, we were allowed to be alone to pray, and I couldn't make anything happen.

That guy jumping off of the tall buildings reminded me of another thing that I had to deal with. Because that was clearly his attempt to be like, look at how hardcore this is, and jumping off. And it's like, wow, I'm going to be like that too if I memorize first Ecclesiastes. I had to go to some shit where the whole first 45 minutes, my mom bent on me like, oh, it's like there's

a strongman competition. It was just like that Workaholics episode. And I went, and it was just these people bending huge bars and heaving giant stones to each other. And as a little kid, you're pumped. You're like, oh my god, this is so tight. This is so tight. And of course, there's a cross and an organ in the background.

And then the big guy will walk up and tear the phone book. He's like, all right, now we're getting to the important stuff. I want you all to open your Bibles to Mark 23. And it's like, oh no. Oh no. We've been hoodwinked. Like, they tricked us into scripture. Like, oh, it was awful. Such a letdown. You guys ready to get pumped?

You guys ready to get crazy? We'll crack those Bibles to sobs! Yeah. That's just what it was like. Your little kid mind and heart is just racing with excitement, and then it's over. Stolen from you.

Dude, after that night, I kept one of the bricks they broke. They signed the brick and gave it to me, and I kept it in my closet for like four years. You went to one of those too? Yeah, for like four years I kept the brick. And I don't know what I was thinking. This will be worth something someday. to one of those too? Yeah, for like four years I kept the brick. And I don't know what I was thinking. Like, that has to be worth something someday. It's Jimmy the Brick Breaker

Martin. He did it. Like, what the fuck? They came in there, they broke baseball bats, they broke, they bent iron rebar, they smashed bricks,

they tore phone books in half. Oh, they blew a hot water bottle up until it exploded. Yeah, yeah. I think they had to set a routine to trick children. Now, since it a hot water bottle up until it exploded. I think they had a set routine to trick children. Now, since it's all setting up right here, they just studied what we paid attention to and then

turned it into Jesus at the last second. That's funny. So, back to the trip. So, you wanted to take us on a trip. Keeping us on track. Yeah, yeah. I don't know if I really agreed to it just yet, but

it just depends when and where. It can't be in the winter because I hate cold weather. But yeah, I'm used to it, man. I can do this, Kyle. I don't know if I'm going to be entertaining, though, man. If you're trying to make this an entertainment. Well, I think the scenario... So here's the scenario I'm imagining. And if it's the paintball thing, you're welcome to come this an entertainment thing? Well, I think the scenario so here's the scenario I'm imagining

and if it's the paintball thing, you're welcome to come along with something like that too. I like that one more even because it includes fans. Yes. I'll tell you one thing. I won't bitch out like Jordy did. Oh, that's fire. No offense Jordy, but I just won't do it. Oh, you can't

say no offense. That's like the no homo background. I'll tell you what. I will lick half your penises, not the other half. No homo. Oh, man. We could do two trips potentially, but I think the paintball one would be the best one to incorporate the fans.

Everybody would get to meet us. Everybody would get to literally hang out with us for the day. Paintball is like a fun community kind of thing as well. The survival thing, I think, would be more like, I don't know, I just think it would be cool to do. I think it would be as much fun for us to do as it would be for viewers to watch. And my idea for it is out in the woods somewhere with basic stuff, and killing animals and eating them and building a shelter and kind of chilling out for a few days. I think that would be fun too.

But the paintball one would be more fun and we'd probably get paid. I'm leaning that way. The thing is I'd probably be more down for the survival thing than the paintball thing just because I don't want to sound like a douche. To find the time to go do something,

like right now, I can't just make a break to go do some paintballing. I mean, I'd obviously love to hang out with you guys, but I think the survival league is something I could attach myself to. I don't know. I want to do that at some point. I want to go out there and just be a man.

Did you say be a man? Be a man, dude. Go back to being a man. Relying on your wits a man. Did you say be a man? Be a man, dude. Go back to being a man. Relying on your wits, man. I went camping once a month for nine straight years of my life, or eight straight years of my life, I think.

Seven or eight years. I would take a camping trip once a month. It didn't matter the season. Did you bring food? Probably 11 months out of the year. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't like, you know, Boy Scout related, right? But I did learn, I will say this, I think the Boy Scouts

organization, I think it's awesome. You know, as long as, like, you know, you're in a solid area that have good people there to teach you. I think it was, like, invaluable to me, man. Like, it's priceless, the amount of stuff I learned through that. Just even basic survival stuff, I still remember. If you don't have water in an arid climate, for example,

I still remember this trick. You dig a hole, and you take a piece of cloth, like your shirt, and you cover the hole with the shirt, and you put a cup or some kind of container at the bottom of the hole, like three feet deep, and the moisture, you're creating moisture and condensation in the shirt, and you can squeeze it out, make water, you know, overnight, right?

So, like, with the weather change, like, dude, little things like that. If there's ever a zombie apocalypse, I'm good to go, man. Like, I got at least a little bit more skill. So, yeah, I'm down for some survival. All right, well, we'll definitely tap you if we make that survival trip thing happen. Our biggest holdup right now is Woody just bought

a gigantic fucking mansion. An estate. An estate. We were looking at it a minute ago. Taylor, you saw that room. He was like, this is the nicest room in the house, and we're looking to do this and that. That room's astounding, right?

It is a beautiful room. If you saw it in a magazine and someone was like, yeah, this is President Obama's summer home, you'd be like, oh, right? It is a beautiful room. If you saw it in a magazine and someone was like, yeah, this is President Obama's summer home, you'd be like, oh, cool, that's a nice house Obama has, right? You wouldn't second guess it. You'd be like, or if someone said, like, this is where you know, fucking Ashton Kutcher stays in November, you'd be like,

wow, of course he does. That guy. Like, this is Woody's place. But it's Woody's place, so he's been getting that thing all together. And as soon as he's like, because he's run. Yes, but it's Woody's place. So he's been getting that thing all together. And as soon as he's like, because he's run into a lot of difficulties getting his internet thing done. It's a long story.

But anyway, when all that's done, his time's going to be freed up. And I'm about to free up some time myself. So I really want to do both those trips, if possible. Definitely the paintball thing. And I'd love to get a survival trip done where there's hours worth

of video. We were talking to... What's that guy's name? Patrick. Patrick. Patrick had contacted us about doing that for us. I think we're leaning toward him as far as candidates to do that sort of thing.

I think he'd do a pretty good job. If we get around to doing that, I think that having him out there in the woods with us it would make for some good videos but uh the paintball thing is definitely the one that one of the things patrick did is he he brought like a schedule he's like here's what i do you know we do this sort of like pre-trip vlog and this and then as you eat dinner as you prepare food you know we get this footage and as you did that and it was like wow i, I would love to have one, the amount of content and the quality content and the thought that he put into like the sequence. And you know,

he clearly listened to some of the feedback and it was, he just, he would make it great. He'd be worth it. Yeah, I agree. You take guns? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, we took guns last time. I think this time I've got... Before then I didn't have a lot of silencers, but since then I've gotten a bunch of fucking silencers. So I think this time, whatever we do,

I think we should do it in Georgia. If we do a survival trip, Georgia's the place to do it because it's close to me and I've got all these crazy guns and I've got silencers for them and you can hunt with silencers in Georgia now. So could we could do like you know it's really fun I got a hunter's license I don't know does that help in Georgia can you get does that is that relevant at all or would I just be under your umbrella of hunting license how does you got your you got your hunter safety uh thing so now you can get a license in Georgia I got a lifetime one

it came with a card so it says on the card you can pick any license number you want and here you can put any text so I made my license number 007 and it says license to killer be killed which is fucking awesome

do you have bears in Georgia? In North Georgia, there are some black bears, I think. Or maybe they're brown bears. I've never seen a bear in the wild. There'd be black bears in the south like that, right? Yeah, I think it is. I think it is black bears. I don't know anything about them.

I know basic bear shit. I've watched enough Discovery Channel, no bear shit. But I've never seen a bear. I wouldn't want to shoot one if I know basic bear shit. I've watched enough Discovery Channel and there's no bear shit. I've never seen a bear. I wouldn't want to shoot one if I saw one, honestly. The kinds of things that I wanted to shoot for this thing to survive on were rabbits and squirrels and maybe some turtles. I'm not saying let's go out to the woods and murder bears.

That's all I'm saying. If you want to, you say the word. If that's a breaking point for you, bear murder, it's either going to be bear murder or I'm not fucking coming, bro. And it's not murdering if you're using all the parts. If you eat the bear and then fashion a quilt of some sort for the wild. What if you made like a whole thing?

Remember that movie we watched, The Edge? Yeah. Yeah, what if you went ahead and constructed a whole bear costume, like the bear clothes with the the you know the claws on your chest on the necklace that'd be cool yeah it would be cool this was my train of thought it was like okay we're gonna do some survival

stuff are we gonna have guns because if we don't have guns and they're bears that's not good you know you always want to have a gun if you're going out into the wilderness that's why... We have more guns than people. That's how we roll.

Yeah, okay, good. We're taking our guns. It's usually kind of silly. I'm often the one when we do things like this that doesn't even bring a gun because I know everybody else is going to be overgunned. Wings was bringing a gun to the survival

thing. I don't think I brought a gun. Woody brought a.22 rifle and a.357 handgun. And we left the shotgun in the truck. And we left the shotgun in the truck, but I think Wings was probably going to come strapped too. We were going to be out there

with no food, very little water. Just like, you know, Valkyrie came out here we just massacre them ain't ready for this shit uh dude i want to watch this video with with um hastro here are you guys ready uh yeah um i am let me uh queue up tell me when you're queued up at zero and let me set the stage so um there's there's two gamers here they play they're competitive gamers and they play um uh street fighter i think and one guy is kind of big and muscular and he's calling out a uh the the smaller

guy are you familiar with this astro no no i'm not so um so he's calling him out and like challenging him on twitter and such and and they uh they kind of drew basically i don't know if this thing tells everything but they played online and the bigger stronger guy the black guy just to clarify i'm trying not to say that he won like to five but then they just kept playing and he lost like 20 to six or something but But now this is it for real. This is the big challenge. They meet each other in competition. It's go time.

And this guy, the bigger, stronger guy is being a bully about it. He's the one who brought on the challenge, who called the other guy out, called him names, said he looked like he had cancer or something, never got outside. You'll see. The white guy is not as handsome as the black guy. Are you guys ready to hit play? Let's do it.

Ready, set, play. He called me his low-tier guy. Look at that fucking loser. That's how I know you, Wes. Now, I'm uncomfortable watching these people. Tell us a little bit about what the hell is going on here man. First off I played this has been online with his dad jeans played him online we did a he played my two week old Rolento the original score was five four five three and then

he wanted to keep playing it was a set an original set is five first of five right that's what sets are correct he wanted to keep playing I said fuck it. You know what? I'm gonna keep playing this news blocker Okay to final score 20 to 6, but it was a troll session original score 5 3 So I went on Twitter caught this guy out caught him a has-been caught him a rape face Charles Manson anything you could think of rape Things like a fucking zombie out of the walking. Then he comes here dressed like he got his outfit out of fucking Target. So, as simple as that, I made a video. The first guy I could think of on why gamers were single was Vizcon. This dude looks like he lives in his basement.

He looks like he never gets sun. He just finished putting chapstick on. After that, he goes on Twitter. That just made it so much better. You don't know me. As simple as that. You can call me a bitch online all you want, but in real life this isn't a fucking game, as simple as that. You say it to my face right now. Oh wow. Look at him.

Alright, alright! Alright, alright, alright! I'm sorry. I'm getting a little- And that's it! And that's it! And Jay is popping off! He is popping off right now! I got one more thing to say. I got one more thing to say. Oh, no. So, there's going to come a point when you forget about what happened, and you're going to want to come back at me. And you're going to want to wash the taste of my dick out of your mouth. Oh. and you're gonna want to wash the taste of my dick out of your mouth oh that was actually fucking awesome to watch but yeah i don't think that was

oh it was cringy but satisfying oh it was beautiful it was beautiful i love it so apparently the white guy like volunteers all his time at a soup kitchen and can't like get a tan or something but that like that's his real life he spends his time like i guess playing games helping the homeless and going to school or something and the black guy's like, you can't get a girlfriend. The fact that he was getting berated like that and then it pans over to him and he's

just standing there with his big oversized cargo shorts with the oversized shirt tucked in. It was bloused. Not tucked in, but bloused out. And it's just him. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, but that's my exact The dry air. I can't cut you off, but that's my exact reaction. The dry air. When he said that the dude got his outfit from Target, I'm thinking, what could that

look like? He's off camera. You know, I rarely buy clothes at Target, but maybe I have in the past once or twice. Really never would wear an outfit out, but who cares, man? But when the camera panned to him, I'm like, yeah, like once or twice. Really never would wear an outfit out. But, you know, who cares, man? But when the camera panned to him, I'm like, yeah, he's got it right.

That's what it looks like. Also, when the camera panned to him, you knew immediately that he was going to win. Just like if you'd panned to the black guy after the white guy was talking trash, if it was a pre-fight video, you'd be like, yeah, that guy's going to eat him alive. Because it was a gaming video. You see that guy, and you're like, that guy doesn't... The thought of what other people perceive him like

when he leaves the house, not even there. Not even there. Doesn't care. This guy's going to win. That's fucking X-Cow on the other side of the room. While you're lifting weights, he's fucking getting XP, bitch. Yeah.

So let me say this, because I guess we're representing some esports here. I don't think that personifies esports whatsoever. I'm going to post a video here for you guys to watch, and maybe we don't have to watch the whole thing, but this is what I think.

If somebody had to ask me what I think esports is about, I would link them to this video. I was so hoping it was going to be you and Parasite arguing. No, dude. No, no, no. This is actually what I feel like is the positive side of esports.

I don't know if you guys want to watch it. We'll check it out. Are you ready to hit the button? You don't have to watch the whole thing. Let's maybe watch two minutes of it. Alright. Ready, set, play. I want to see more people smash. I want to see sad people. Yeah, but this is the positive side. There's always got to be, you know, positive side. But I like the sad side.

I want to see the guy who's like, this is the end of his life now. Yeah. With a big envy tattoo. But the real side of it, it's really, you know, people work, a lot of these top professional teams are very mature, very good representatives, and they work really hard. Like, they train very, very hard to be the best at what they do. I'm still waiting for Scumpy to stand up and tell everyone that you all suck, I'm the best this game's ever seen,

it's easy for me, this is like pub stomping. Did he do that? Did someone do that? I probably have the quote off, but it's something like that. I think Scumpy earned it. What's that? I don't think Call of Duty is in this video whatsoever. The real big

side of esports has always been the PC kind of gaming side of you know Starcraft Counter Strike, League of Legends Dota like that's really the bigger side of esports I think a lot of people in that Call of Duty community are really blind to that like they don't understand that Call of Duty

is relatively kind of new as a burgeoning esport intellectually like I fully know that but they don't understand that Colby is relatively kind of new as a burgeoning e-sport. Like intellectually, like I fully know that, but it like, it's almost hard for me to see like, I get it. I get it.

You know, like league of legends is clear, right? When it does a thing, that thing enters my, you know, sphere of, of not influence,

whatever the opposite of, is that of, you know, of notice. But, um, it it's i don't know why it just feels like cod is as big as those things even though it's not pulling the same numbers or such and i hear about it people are talking about it i guess i'm just embedded in what people yeah i mean so yeah this video although maybe not entertaining like i guess

you know can't get a good laugh out of it make fun of some nerds i mean at the end of the day like there are some people who are like you know serious serious people it's serious business and they take it like a sport and they're just normal people some of them look like supermodels some of them look like ultra nerds you know it's like that's what that's what gamers really look like like the the optic team in particular a lot of those guys are super into fitness it seems like if you lived at the Optic House, you'd suddenly get big pecs or something. That'd just be part of the deal.

They're all going to the gym together and doing their thing. Didn't Big Timer challenge people to push-up contests or something? I saw that online. I don't know. What if he won? He was crushing people. Dude, if Big Timer challenged me to a push-up contest, I would just try not to embarrass myself. I don't know. Talk my way out of it. If Big Timer challenged me to a push-up contest, I would just try not to embarrass myself.

I don't know. Talk my way out of it. There's this Gears of War pro. His name was High Distortion. Let me tell this story really quick. High Distortion is like this. The Gears of War community is known to be a little rough. It's a little bit rougher of a community.

High Distortion, dude, this guy is massive. So at some event, I think it was MLG Dallas, I was in the crowd, and some girl is talking smack to a player who's on the main stage playing, and he starts calling her names from the main stage. And so this guy, High Distortion, is just cock diesel. This guy is massive, man. He's scary big. I'll see if I can find a picture of him.

But he starts getting in, defending her and whatever and this fight pours out outside after the match is done. And High Distortion rips a sign out of the parking lot concrete. Rips a road sign out and starts swinging

it at this guy, like the Incredible Hulk. And it was literally one of the craziest things that ever happened. It was the craziest thing I've ever seen in an event. He never made swinging it at this guy, like the Incredible Hulk. And it was, like, it was literally, like, one of the craziest things that ever happened to me. It was probably the craziest thing I've ever seen in an event. He never made contact with the guy, and so he never really fully assaulted him, so everything was all right.

But the fact that this guy would rip out, like, you know, a road sign and start swinging it at somebody, just let me know, like, all right, you know, this is a pretty diverse crowd right here. So the one golden chick from the stage and he poured something out of the ground and swung it at the guy. That is next level white knighting. Next level.

I'd love to see that in a video set to music like the one we just watched. The music that doesn't match. And they need to splice it into the same video where they're saying, like, this is sports. And it shows the people yelling about StarCraft, and it's like, this is

sports. A guy swinging a stop sign at some other dude with a pocket protector on. I have him on Skype, and I was trying to find this picture of him, and it's like... He's a big dude. All you need to know is he's a big, huge dude that you would not want to mess

with. But yeah, so you have some guys who are 16-year-old, completely nerdy-looking guys in esports, little chubby guys or something, and then you got guys, like I said, who look like supermodels, and you got another guy who's just like some crazy, looks like a UFC fighter in the heavyweight division.

I think that's what's cool about esports, man, is that you have people that are from every walk of life and it's just competition. You can do it from home, so you get that. You can start somewhere. It's got the biggest range of who could

participate of any event like that. There's no other competition, really anywhere, where a tiny little girl, 5'2 Korean girl, can face off against a guy like whatever, Total Destruction, or whatever he said his name was. There's nothing they could do.

Maybe Chass, but not very exciting. Kyle's loving that ice cream, man. I can just tell right now. It's so fucking good. Kyle, you got ice cream? Let's see what you got. You just got it delivered, or what? Yeah, I got a Frosty here. It's so fucking good. Kyle, you got ice cream? Let's see what you got. You just got it delivered or what? Yeah, I just got a Frosty here, just a chocolate Frosty.

Did Simple Kev deliver it for you? Yeah. Simple Kev. I think that should stick. Nice, Kyle. Congratulations. Maybe we'll get him a shirt that says that, Simple Kev. Simple Kev.

Yeah, you should. I want my own semi-functional person to perform favors. Dude, they're $10 an hour. Can you believe that? He'll do anything. You get a point and tell him to do it, and he's just like, er, er, er. He just does it.

He does it. It's great. How do you find these people? Did you ever hear about the founder of Twitch, Justin TV? What he did is a second side business that he started up. He funded. It was called I Am The Exec. I don't know if it ever was really successful,

but I'm pretty sure it's still operating. But it was this website, kind of like Craigslist, I guess, but you could go into any city if they had the service, and people build a profile, and you can hire them to do basically any job you want them to do for $25 an hour. So it's like, you know, people who are looking for work, if you need like,

I don't know, what would you need something? Garage door installation. Ice cream. I don't know if it would be that technical but like... Ice cream delivery. Yeah, yeah, ice cream delivery. Exactly, boom. You can go on there and say, and put in some instruction. The person, you pay the $25 an hour

through the website you give them a rating they give you a rating boom done so you get whatever you need done like you need something hauled away or like you know whatever you need and I thought it was a pretty genius idea because for people like Kyle who can't go out to Wendy's at this fair moment here when you're

on podcast genius right I thought it was a good business you can just buy yourself a $32 Frosty. You know, why not? Maybe you're wasted. Maybe you're wasted and you want fucking Taco Bell. And you can't drive. There you go.

Boom. Saves life. You got a couple of friends there. You're just like, hey, let's all chip in an extra five bucks a piece and we'll get fucking slow cap to bring us some Taco Bell. Yeah. That's a really good idea for drunk people, you know, because you're getting,

they're not going to be thinking about the extra money like, ah, fuck it, we just need more beer. Like, they just, like, Have you seen Jim Jeffries' TV show? Yes, I have. No. It's pretty fucking good. I saw, the first season

is on Netflix, but I'm going to have to buy the other season somewhere to watch them. On Amazon, they're like $3 or maybe $4 an episode, and I'm not paying that. I'm sorry, Jim. That's not worth it. It got sadder than I thought it would. Really? After season one?

Maybe I'm thinking of a... Oh, I'm thinking of a Marc Maron show on Netflix, but I have seen Jim Jefferies too. Marc Maron's kind of... He's kind of depressing. Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. It's really kind of sad. Jim Jefferies, you know, you've got the guy in there

with MS, but they make a joke out of it. Like, there's this scene where... I think it's MS that his friend has, and basically his friend is online dating, and he's chatting with this woman over Skype or something, and she doesn't know that he's in a

wheelchair and that he can't move his arms. She's taking her shirt off and showing him her boobs and stuff, and she wants to see his dick. Jim Jeffries is there helping him with all this, so he unbuckles the guy's pants and flips his dick out so she can see it, and he's got a huge dick. He's got a 10-inch dick in the show.

And she's like, whoa, wow. She's like, will you stroke it for me? And he's looking at Jim like, come on, man. Come on, you've got to make this happen. And Jim's just like, ah! He's like, ah! And that's when his brother and his brother's date and the guy's mom all walk in the room at the same time.

And he's giving the guy a handjob on video cam while this woman watches. And everybody's screaming. It's a pretty good show. You really do sell it. I mean, I also am into gay porn. So,

I think I would like this. It's pretty fucking good. They take the guy out to get laid for the first time. They take him to a hooker. That whole thing is just hilarious. A lot of good stuff in this show. I want to see the second season. I think there may even be a third season.

It was funny, but they did really walk the razor's edge between completely homosexual and funny. Wait, so what is that air on? Is it an online show? What's it called? Legit. Yeah, legit. Is it on Netflix? It's on network television though, isn't it?

Yeah, yeah. It's like on FX, right? I think it's on FX. Man, that sounds wild. I'm looking that up right now. Yeah, it's good though. I like this new trend of comedians getting shows. Like doing their own thing.

This is a new trend? No, I mean like... It's new, yeah. It started with Cosby. I'm sorry. These guys who are only known for podcasts and shit that aren't huge headliners. Mark Maron isn't a huge headliner. Jim Jeffries, I guess he is.

Not as big in the US as other places. But it seems like people are getting more of a shot with the Netflix to get started, even if they're not like a Bill Cosby or a Bob Saget. I totally don't even know who's big and small anymore. I mostly watch Netflix. I've been watching Californication. So I'm way behind.

Netflix should do news. I would really like to be watching four-year-old news right now. Like, you know, oh my god, Romney lost? It just rolls in now. That would be great netflix will get into something like that eventually they're just getting so big they

have to right they should strike a deal with the sports league because i feel like that's one of the biggest challenges to um like to doing the whole cord cutting thing like sports and news are the thing that you want live. If they were to suddenly land some NFL games, people would be like, all right, I'm done with Time Warner. I'm all about Netflix. I think this is a good time to mention Crunchyroll again.

And I think it would also be a good time to us to figure out when we're going to get together. The cord cutters, they just, you know, they drop Time Warner and they go to Crunchyroll so they can watch only anime. Yeah. Absolutely.

So, crunchyroll.com slash pka, that is your one-way ticket to one month of free service from Crunchyroll, the number one destination for all of your anime needs.

They've got a few shows this month that they are calling their featured shows that they want you guys to know about. Khan Kali with a K, apparently. The Testament of Sister New Devil.

Cute High Earth Defense Club Love. Military. And Psychano. How to Raise a Boring Girlfriend. So for all of your anime needs, go check them out. And we are going to do another stream. It's going to have to be sometime after Monday, though, because I've got to film Monday and I I got to prep in the next couple days.

But I think we should definitely get together. We should do another stream and finish watching Attack on Titan. Get that out of the way. I've been offline for a bit. Have you uploaded lately? Me? I uploaded an M60 video like maybe 10 days ago. It's time for me to upload it again. We're just trying to do some last minute edits

to that. You know what happened. There was one segment to that video. It was amazing. So I did a body armor video and it's filmed and everything and I like for my videos to have like a flow to them. There's three

or four segments and they kind of tie into one another. It's kind of progressing or it's escalating if you will sometimes. And we got kind of toward the end where I wanted like a nice segue or finale shot and I did something really crazy that well when you watch it on film

it looks like I'm doing something really dumb and there was a tree got cut down by a projectile and it fell and it was just really dangerous what I did on camera. You totally survived.

I survived, yeah. I'm fine. It looked really dangerous. My network didn't want me to upload it and Kitty didn't think it was a good idea to upload it. We're cutting that for now, saving it until later on when it's okay to upload it, I suppose. When I just don't give a fuck. it till like later on when it's okay to upload it I suppose like when I just

don't give a fuck and I'm going to and I'm going to reshoot some stuff Monday to like intersplice in there and so instead of that thing that you saw Woody I'm going to put in like just some heavy machine gun fire against the armored plate

some incendiary ammunition some fire some little explosion something like that since you talked about the tree dude as great as the visuals were on that the audio like i hope i'm not saying too much here but essentially he missed a target and uh then you think nothing happened and And then it's like this, like, as the tree falls. And, oh, my God. It was a big tree. The tree was, like, this big.

And I shot it right in two. And I can't really talk about why it was so dangerous what I did, but I did it in a really unconventional way. You'll see it eventually. It's just – and they showed me a recut of it. An editor tried to go in and make it look safe, but I was like, well now it just looks fake. Now it looks like we just faked

this thing. You can't do that. It's got to be all or nothing. Eventually people will see it, but not anytime soon. What I was getting at is we can do that stream sometime after Monday. Sometime in the middle of next week. Maybe earlier in the day. Maybe like 4 or 5 p.m. Eastern Standard Time.

I'd be happy to do that. We could think about Attack on Titan. I'm sure Chiz would like to hop on there. I know he likes it too. Maybe move on to one of these other weirder animations. Just by title, that How to Raise a Boring Girlfriend thing really

attracts me, but I bet we have listeners out there who could help us pick one, you know, based on more than a title. Yeah, probably so. So let me chime in one more time here. So this is how long, like, I haven't talked to you guys. Or, like, actually, like, you know, just said hello and chatted. Kyle, so now it's, like, cool to, like, talk about, you know, your videos and stuff on PGA and everything's up. Because back in the day, it would be, like,

people would roll up to us and we're at an event, and you would have to, like, you know, know the character, you know. You remember the night? You couldn't talk about, like, I remember we were out, like, I don't know, going out to some party, like, industry party, you know. And, like, remember those guys that, like, pop, those guys that pop, these big rapper dudes or something that pop out of this big suburban? Remember what I'm talking about?

The dude has a towel over his shoulder and he's like, oh shit. They were apparently somebody. People normally take pictures of them. I don't know who they were. Some big rappers or something. We didn't know who they were but they knew who, some big rappers or something, and, like, you know, we didn't know who they were, but they knew who you were, and, like, they were wanting to take pictures with you,

and, like, you just had to, like, kind of go into character, and then you were just eventually like, all right, fuck it. I remember we were, maybe it was, like, after Coddick's Beer or something, but we were at that bar, that hotel bar in L.A., and, like, that fan had sat down next to me and was just kept buying me vodkas, and, like, I was keeping the accent up forever with that guy. And he was older. He was in his 30s.

I remember this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It went on forever. I drank so much that night. It seemed, I think that, yeah, yeah. So the bar closed, and we couldn't get any more alcohol. And my room was, Machina was paying for my room. We took all the

mini bottles. I was like, Fwizz, what are we going to do, man? We're all out of booze. I was like, we could clear out my mini bar, but that's on Machinima's dime and that shit's $8 a bottle. He's like, fuck it! So me and Chiz sneak up to the

room, get all my little mini bottles out you know we get those like $9 bottles of Heineken we get the $8 little mini shots of Maker's Mark everything we're just jingle jangling back down to the party below like instant bar and we just keep drinking outside the fucking hotel

that was an interesting night good times man but yeah so now the cat's out of the bag cool on the podcast it's like, oh. Dude, and I'm sure you guys have already talked about this plenty of times, but the funniest thing about it was that people in your

comments, like, somebody would try to, like, break the news, you know? Like, hey, he's from fucking Georgia, not the country, the state. Oh, it's the best. The state. He speaks perfect American English and people would be like, Nuh-uh.

I don't know why people still try to explain that to everyone. First of all, you're never going to explain it to everyone. Second of all, why do you care? There's millions of those fans. Millions of them. And you'll never educate them all. A huge majority of them don't even read the YouTube comments.

Only like 2 or 3% of you write in the comments, and only like another 10% of you read them. So like 80, 90% of the total volume of those 600, 700 million views I got, they don't fucking know, and they don't fucking care. They think I'm a Russian commando, so let them. It's more fun that way. And it's funnier when people in the comments section are saying, like, no, he's from Georgia.

He's not really Russian. And then the people who respond to that, who are just, it's almost like you're telling them Santa isn't real. They're just adamant, adamant that you're from Russia. No, no, my dad, my uncle actually, he knows the chief of where he served, so don't tell me that. That's nonsense. Yeah, I love that stuff. I think it's hilarious. The best was, I met this kid at like, what was it called? VidCon? VidCon, yeah, in L.A.

And he was like maybe 12 years old, and he was like, oh, he's like a huge fan. And I was talking to him and everything. And his mom's with him, and she starts speaking in Russian. And I'm like, I'm not Russian. It's kind of an actor. It's like a character that I portray on the Internet. And she was so upset. She was so unhappy.

Oh! Oh! Like, you bring shame to my country! She was full-fledged not happy that I was not Russian. Because she had been fooled, and she was a Russian Russian and she was trying to speak Russian to me. Oh, man. And it was hilarious. Man, that's validation of how good you are.

That's happened so many times. Like, I'll get people that will be like, ah, that's not a good accent. But then I'll also get people that will be like, your accent is pretty good, you know. I think maybe you're from southern country. I don't know. I thought it was a good accent. I'm like, yeah. I don't know. I thought he was a bit lax. Yeah, I know. Exactly. It's always fun to run into people who

it's a little scary too. The Russians who think I'm a comrade because those people are a little intense. I've had Russian friends before. That's where I first met the guy. They're great guys. Can I tell another story? I had a recent run in with some real Russians, man.

So we went to Gfinity in the summer to play the second biggest tournament last year. And we won it. And I told the guys before we left to motivate our team, I'm like, listen, we had to be in Germany for another event at Gamescom a week later. And we're in London.

So I'm like, fuck it. I was like, I'll buy you guys tickets to Barcelona and Rome. We'll go hang out after Gfinity and then we'll go to Germany and do our thing in Germany instead of coming back to the States and then flying back out. And so we took a little vacation, a little trip to Barcelona and Rome. Anyway, so we won the tournament and I also

told them if we won the tournament that I would pop some bottles and win the club for them in Barcelona. So we go out to Barcelona, nicest club in Barcelona, and I get them a table. You know, swanky place, but it's a big dance club, right? Big party scene. So they have like six or seven tables in this place, and it's really like high end. So I pay a lot of money to get a table.

Next to us are some Australians who had a bunch of drugs. And on the other side were these Russian guys, and they had these two Lithuanian chicks that just danced. That's their job. I think they didn't really hang out with them at all. They just danced. But anyway, so I walk up to this guy, and apparently he's a politician in Russia.

So the first thing he does is slap me on the back, because we're already kind of a little tipsy at this point. We've been drinking all night and I finally said hello to him. He pours out, maybe this is the thing Russians do, but he wants to show that he has a lot of money so he pours out all this vodka and all these big shot glasses and then just dumps them on the ground.

And then pours some more and gives me a shot. Like, you know, I'm like, hey, fuck it. You know, like $500 bottle of vodka, I don't give a shit, dump it on the ground, and so he kept doing that, you know, until this thing was gone, and, dude, I didn't, I thought like, you know, like, the myths about Russians

drinking a lot of vodka, I'm like, alright, you know, it's kind of like one of those stereotypes, but this dude literally would not stop pouring shots of vodka until the bottle was gone, and, you know, shots, and straight vodka, then he gets another one and pours a pint glass of vodka and gives it to me. And I'm not kidding. It's like a full pint glass, and I'm just like, you know, what do you do?

You know, like, I was a little scared, you know, a little intimidated, to be quite honest, just because, like, I feel like, you know. What did you do? I drank it. I didn't drink the whole thing, but I started drinking it. I made my way outside to smoke a cigarette and totally avoided going back

because I was so drunk. Did you finish the pint? No, no, no. I smelt it somewhere and just walked off. That would have been hero status if you finished a bunch of shots and then a full pint of vodka. It was probably like $100 worth of vodka in this pint glass.

The most I've ever drank poured it back like that. I was in LA and Epic Meal Time was out there filming something with the Nerdist. They were doing this whole Star Wars thing with a tauntaun and lightsabers and special effects.

They were going to go to a grocery store and they needed a Han Solo. Because it was a Star Wars episode. So they dressed me up like Han Solo and we all went to the grocery store. And Harley's dressed as like a Jedi.

Everybody's dressed up. Muscles Glasses was Boba Fett. It was pretty hilarious. There was one part of the video where the music's playing, and you just see people drinking liquor. They made an Incredible Hulk, but it was the glass

of Incredible Hulk this fucking big. Like a glass of it. I like that drink, by the way. That's good stuff. Equal parts Hennessy and hypnotic. And they made me one and they made Muscles Glasses one. And I was like, yeah, let's do it. And I just started guzzling the thing down.

And he was just like, no! And I like... I like... And they didn't even put it in. They didn't even put it in because I out-drank Muscles Glasses because he just took a sip and was like, and I was just like, and killed this whole fucking thing.

The thing cut and I ran out in the back and made myself vomit to get that shit out of my system because I was going to die. I was going to die. Yeah, man. Good times. Dude, on a totally unrelated topic, have you heard that a bunch of YouTubers

have lost their channels lately? Have you heard about that? I heard that OnlyUseMeBlade's channel got taken. He's only one of like three or four. Now, I didn't know them all. There was a Minecraft guy who had like a hundred and some thousand subs, which is legit.

He lost his channel, but he has it back already. OnlyUseMeBlade lost his. There was another guy who lost his. Does anyone know anything about this? I saw some stuff on Twitter about it. Just browsing through again. I wish they'd come forward on why this happened.

It could be straight up craziness and false flagging. Maybe someone attacked him. That's a thing that can happen. I think it has something to do with the tags in like old videos and old videos that are like, you know, they're just

now discovered have strikes and so you're getting like strikes, like three strikes instantly for like old content that has a bunch of, you know, bullshit tags in them or has, you know, something else going on with them like that. and that's what's going on yeah there was a time when everyone on youtube loaded up their descriptions with tags like i know a really i'm not going to say his name but he's like a super popular youtuber much bigger than me who was like you know if your title's not

256 characters you're not trying because because that plays a big role in the search engine stuff so he would do use really long titles like there's one youtuber i don't know who it is but he would put like you know let's play game name episode one and then like episode 14 afterwards but every single one said episode one so they showed up and it helped with searches like he uh like people do different weird things with tags and titles and then like youtube cracks down on it but they have a library of mistakes out there and sometimes they don't go back and fix and it's uh maybe that's what happened i i read that too but it wasn't like a good source i think it might have been a reddit comment or something so i i know that's happened before though that's that's when i've i've heard that in the past like i know that's been a thing that could happen because it's usually something automated when like you see something like that happen yeah and i i

don't mean to lump blade into this because i mean i i've never known him to have a strike before but uh like i remember when mr technical difficult lost, it was like, you know, I don't want to get the number wrong, but did he have 14 strikes or something over time? I don't know. Yeah, not concurrently, right? Obviously, you get three and your channel's down, but he would get, like, strike and then fixed and strike and then fixed, and, like, a lot of stuff had happened until eventually YouTube was like,

last straw, this channel's done. But he had a backup channel with half a million subs which is a pretty good starting point um yeah but i don't know i don't think blade was in that situation i just it seems like a big deal it's a scary thing right blades have been working up that channel since like 2008 2007 something like that? I watched Blade stuff back when he had purple lines from a semi-broken recorder back in COD 4.

The dazzle. Oh yeah, the dazzle. I don't even know if it was a dazzle. Pinnacle or something? Yeah. It might have been less than dazzle. He had a weird thing and it almost looked like if you could if you guys have ever seen the old school like vcrs that have been recorded too many

times and they'd have these like discolorations that ran horizontally through his stuff um i'd show you but his channel's been taken down um yeah his his video quality was amongst the worst on youtube but his commentary and his gameplay was unlike anybody else's so um so i watched it but yeah i just i wonder what happens and it's scary to think that they could just yank somebody's career like that no i mean already youtuber is kind of like pro athlete in that you've got a shelf life it's kind of cool while it lasts if you're a successful one but very few people

just keep going and going it's the same way with esports, you can do this forever you've got to have some kind of backup plan career I will, dude top COD players last longer than I ever thought they would you know i will dude top cod players last longer than i ever thought they would you know like i i see the same names for like five years in a row whereas uh if you were to ask me five years

ago i wouldn't have predicted that i would have thought there's always somebody new like you're nipping at your heels the barrier to entry to become a pro player right aside from skill is like nothing you You know, you can just go online. There's game battles. You can compete. You can get known. You can do your thing. Like it's like they used to be free for all games in the Halo community and people who like kick ass at free for all would get looked at by teams to be pulled in. And it, it, it's not like you're making mufflers or something and there's 10 million dollars worth of capital expenses to get started no you just demonstrate talent and then work your way through um but it

turns out that the best players are actually better than the other players and they just you know i see the same names on the top teams for a long time yeah i mean that's the way it works i mean like i said it's's kind of like other sports. You never want to call it a sport. It's just a big argument, so I don't want to get into that. But I tell people I would love to play for the Yankees or the Dallas Cowboys, right? But I don't have that natural ability to do that.

You have to start with some kind of natural ability. And it sounds crazy, but yeah, you need to have some kind of, I don't know, some mental skill and some kind of reflexes, some fast reflexes, reaction time, et cetera, to be a pro gamer. And if you don't have it, you're just not going to make it, right? At some point, if you try and keep working at it

and try and you don't get there, well, it's because you're probably missing a little bit of that natural ability. But it's also about taking that natural ability and honing in on it. And really bringing it out more, right? Like it's not by practicing or

training or whatever. They're video games, but that stuff is pretty serious now and the amount of money you can make doing it, obviously, has been ballooning. The game called Smite just announced, or they're doing a $2.6 million tournament this weekend. Wow.

I've never heard of Smite. What is it? It's kind of like a... Shooter? Platformer? Puzzle? Tower defense mobile type game. I would say similar to League of Legends, but not as deep.

But look it up. I don't really know a ton about it. I've watched it a few times. But yeah, $2.6 million prize pool. Obviously, the Dota tournament had a $14 million prize pool because it was crowdfunded by in-game content. If we were to do that in Call of Duty, it would be, I think, an astronomical prize pool.

I think people would really attach themselves to it and buy up like a skin and if Activision took like a dollar skin and gave 50 cents of every purchase to a prize pool it would be massive right like you know we'd have a few million dollar prize pool at every major that big championship but Dota did it and they raised 14 million dollars and the

first place team took home 5.6 million dollars it's tough with Activision man man. They don't seem to invest back in the community. They may hire a community manager and it sort of stops there. It seems like with Treyarch Cycles and maybe

even Advanced Warfare, maybe even with Sledgehammer, they'll pay attention to competitive, but in what am I looking for? Not Activision, but they made COD 4, they made Modern Warfare 2 Infinity Ward, yeah, on Infinity Ward cycles they tend to ignore the community so

strong, there's no COD support I'm sorry, there's no COD competitive support yeah I think we're past those days though, I think they finally got it, you know, they figured out like oh okay, well let's pay attention to this a little bit more at least, because I felt attention to this a little bit more. I felt like there was a huge drop-off between

Black Ops 2 and Ghost in terms of competitive support. It was six months down the road before they had that stuff sorted out. I still feel like they're figuring it out, but they're doing much... In my opinion, it's really good now.

They're starting to do some really, really good things. Every Cobb Champs has been pretty awesome. I've casted everyone, and I probably won't do this year's, but if you look at the production quality around it, they spend a lot of money on that, and it's a premier event in esports. So it's getting better. I think it's only going to grow bigger,

and they're only going to get better at it. They're new to it, right. So everybody's new to it. So it's kind of, you got to give some leeway for people to learn about it and figure things out. It's tough. Hmm. You're being kind. I suppose you need to in your role, but I look at it and I'm like, everyone's supposed to get better than the one before. That's the deal. When you take a step backwards, that really gets noticed, and they did. Oh, I'll say it. I mean, I think they'll appreciate it, but honestly, they've definitely done some things that suck.

They've done some things. And they did before. When we went from Black Ops to Modern Warfare 3, step backwards for competitive. When they went from Black Ops 2 to Ghost, step backwards for competitive they're just the one, they used to be the good one right, when they made COD 4

that was the best around when they dropped Modern Warfare 2, I went into it thinking, oh sweet, now we're on an Infinity Ward cycle, that's the last time I thought that, Modern Warfare 2 half that studio went, you know they had to go to controversy where they went to like Respawn and all that stuff,, you know, they had a little controversy where they went to, like, you know, respond and all that stuff.

So, you know, you got to give them some forgiveness. But, go ahead. I liked Call of Duty 4. I loved it. I felt like World at War was a step down, but it wasn't a broken game. I felt like Modern Warfare 2 was a step up, but it was broken.

And they didn't get it fixed until the later cycles of that game. And by then, I had played so many goddamn hours of it that it was true. The name of this podcast comes from Modern Warfare 2, doesn't it? Yeah, exactly. Black Ops. Black Ops was great before, I don't know when the patch

came in, but initially in Black Ops it was, it felt like COD 4 all over again. Me and Socrates and another friend of mine were running fucking lobbies left and right. It was just Blackbird, Chopper Gunner, Dogs, Blackbird Chopper Gunner, Dogs. Oh yeah.

Endless cycle of that. And the spawns, the spawns were such that, you know, everybody was this big fucking red hexagon and you were just eee, eee, eee, were just... And as soon as you had killed all three or four of them, you'd reposition to their new spawn. And that was the last time I've had fun playing COD. They patched that, fixed the...

They put, like, a spawn delay on or something, or spawn protection. It was never fun again for me, really. Like, that was the last time I went in there with buddies and dominated. Dude, I got a Black Ops story like that. So Black Ops is dropping, and I just can't seem to find my groove in that game. I eventually did, but here's my thing. I'm not really great on the stick, but I put enough hours into COD,

typically, not anymore, but I would put enough hours into COD that I would get better than most people and it just came through like tactics and knowledge it was never through that natural ability that that Hashto described anyway the game hasn't come out yet so I'm playing against like other youtubers and people passionate enough to get the game before its release date or like Mexican hosts or something because i guess they did not have the street date and um i'm just sucking i'm sucking i managed to get whatever pro perk enabled you to like re-roll a care package and no no no i earned a i got in last stand and i stood up again

and then i earned a care package and wings ofemption re-rolled it for me, if I remember how this went. I got a chopper gunner on Nuketown, which was the bomb. Nobody had rockets? No one had rockets. It was brand new. People didn't really know what the deal was. That's gold right there. Oh, it was such gold.

So anyway, Wings of Redemption turns my care package into a chopper gunner. I just mow people down. It's one of my first uploads. I think I uploaded it like a few hours before we were allowed to. You know, to get that little edge. Million view video. Million view video. And my earned kills, I went like five and four.

And then in the game, I went like 39 and four because I got that chopper gunner. It was awesome. Spectacular gunner it was awesome it was spectacular and it was a million view video not a ton of those well I guess yeah not for me anyway yeah that's a good time I really haven't enjoyed the series as much since then black ops 2 was fun I liked it but um I don't know modern warfare 3 I felt like was a really big letdown. I didn't enjoy it very much. I didn't like the single player either. And then Ghost was just terrible, I thought.

I really didn't care for Ghost. And with Advanced Warfare, I feel like if Advanced Warfare had come out when I was super passionate about Call of Duty, I'd have probably become really good at it. Because I feel like this is a game that's going to take a long time to get good at to really master all the finesse. And there's a lot of finesse with those balancing the exo abilities with

your super jump, whatever it's called, and your dash abilities, your left, right, back, and forward. When you mix all that together and you get a good weapon combination and you're good on the sticks, you can be almost unbeatable. All of a sudden,

normally in COD, because you're stuck to the ground and running around, you could run into four people and you could out-shoot all four of them if you could move a little bit, but because it's COD, you're kind of stuck to the ground and you're three times better than them, but there are four of them. It just doesn't work out in your favor. But in this

you can run in, kill three and then be evasive enough to kill the fourth one too. I don't know. Maybe this one is a better play. You watch Xcal play and he appears to be really hard to shoot. So hard to shoot. So hard to shoot.

Not only does he evade gunfire really well, but his shot while bouncing around in the air seems to be perfect. I'm sure the pro players are the same way. He was using that laser weapon from the hip a lot, and then he got his killstreaks up so that he had the turret laser, and then he ripped that off. And now he's bouncing around, jetting around with a turret laser. And while he's flying through the air backwards,

he's like, eee, from the hip, and killing people cross-map, because that thing's got no damage drop-off. He's just frying them everywhere, left and right, getting three and four pieces. He goes to their home flag in Domination, and all but takes it from them. The counter needed maybe two more seconds,

and he would have taken the flag. But they're just pouring in. It's like that scene from The Matrix when he's like, more, and they just keep coming in the door. He goes on an eight-kill streak, taking their flag, and they just keep coming. And he's just like, need a little help here! He was begging for help

while mowing down the team. It was crazy. He's good at the game. He's not easy to get along with but he's good at the game. Exactly. I just want to see good zombies back in this next Treyarch game. I know you guys don't care as much but zombies are a barrel of fuck.

Dude, if zombies were in this game and they were good, we'd probably be playing some of that. I love zombies. I feel like it's something that you can... It's a different kind of game, but it's still the familiarity of my COD. Something went wrong with Treyarch.

Treyarch doesn't know what makes zombies good. Somehow they hit it the first time, and then they're like, alright, we're going to step up zombies, and we're going to make it harder to have fun. All right, next level, next level, even harder. Now we need random buses driving through and cutting off your kiting area. Now we need lava along the ground.

Now we need this. Now we need that. And it's like, dude, everything you're doing is backwards. Why is it such a sin for me to do well in this game? It's because they took it and they misconstrued. Everybody has a ton of fun with it because of the whole

kiting aspect of being able to run them around like a bunch of idiots and then just mow through them and see those points flare up. That's fun. It's fun to do that. Just headshot after headshot against easy targets. Now they make it so you have to hopscotch over some fucking lava and then get on a bus before

a lawnmower hits you, or just some nonsense. I don't want elusive frogman zombies. No, fuck that. Maybe a big barreling motherfucker every now and then, that'd be cool, like the big sludge guy, that maybe if I blow him up, he'll splatter on the others and acidify

them down or something, but you've nailed it, like my favorite thing to do. What was the zombie map that was like a big theater? Oh, yeah. That was the good stuff. Wasn't it some German name? Yeah, I just remember

leading the zombies from the stage area up through the middle of the theater and to that back door of the theater and then just turning around and just be like, and now you all die. Upgraded light machine gun just and just headshots

just cleaning through as many heads as it would go through at once and just you'd mow down 30, 40 guys at a time and then just keep your circle going. Me and Socrates would play that so much. I like the Wild West, man. The giant robot map was a bunch of fun, but the whole horseshit of like,

we got three brand new weapons for you, and they're elemental stabs, so you'll be like a wizard. Alright, now get out a piece of paper and a pen, because you're gonna have to know about 15 steps before any of this is attainable. First, you're gonna run up to a poster and hit A twice. It's like, come on, just let me use

these weapons. I don't want to do this. Yeah, I think zombies should be about the players being completely outnumbered but completely overpowered at the same time. I think that you should

succeed in spite of everything that is obvious. I think there should be 100 guys over there, and you should be running from them 90% of the time, but 10% of the time you're like, all right, it's time to go, flip the switches now, and everybody turns around and opens fire. That's what I always love.

Dude, the one with the Old West zombies, it's fun. Oh, that is a fun one. Because you can have a bank. And so once you've played like five or six times, you have enough money in the bank that immediately you go to the bank and then you pull out enough for every perk you want, everything. Like it fast forwards the whole thing. You do have to open some stuff.

I forget. But, yeah, it's definitely fun. It's awesome. And if your team plays well together, you can go to that alley and camp there as they try to come to you. Set up all these traps and they're throwing them back. It's awesome. It's a good time.

And it's a good time because I'm successful. They have that one gun where you shoot on the ground and you can fly. And you can pull off something. Yeah, and it never runs out of ammo. You just have to let it recharge. That was fun. Not having the constant ammo stress of zombies. Did it never run

out of ammo it would like it just kind of like top and you had to wait until it clicked back down and then you could keep firing it like it had a hundred counter or something i believe i could be wrong i'm not sure but yeah it's awesome i like the flying because yeah i would go over barriers and stuff like that and all of a sudden i'm in a new place oh and then the witches right like like you you'd maybe go down and lose your perks it's like yeah we need to organize a group who's with me to go get this perk and get past the witches and do the haunted house one at a time and i remember that i'll i'd play that again if i had an xbox setup yeah yeah Yeah, that's a big thing for the next COD. I hope they go back to their roots for zombies, which they won't.

It'll be even harder and more complicated. That and bring back the Akimbo 1887s. That's the greatest gun ever. That's the thing. As a YouTuber, I missed out on some of the most fun OP you're an asshole guns. I never ran Akimbo 1887 do you want to know why because i'm trying to get gameplay and no one wants to see you use that stuff i had to stop running the famas like it i didn't intentionally use the famas all the time but it seemed like i did because a lot of my best games were with the famas so i uploaded those and

now all of a sudden it's the only thing I used. The Akimbo FMGs is that what they were? FMJs in Modern Warfare 3? Can't use those. There were all these rules so I didn't get to use the OP stuff which I would have loved. You missed out with those 1887s.

Those were the most fun gun in any Call of Duty I've ever played. Just how enraged everyone was. You hit them from a mile away. Do you remember that animation where you flip them around? You're like... And a lot of people would use steady aim on them, but honestly, even without it, sometimes...

Didn't need it. Sometimes you'd shoot without steady aim, and the guy would be so far away and in a window, and you'd just be like, fuck it, I got plenty of ammo. And the end is just plus 100. You're just like, holy shit! So when that game came out, one of the Halo

pros, his name's Strongside, he never really played a lot of Call of Duty and so we were playing custom games the first two days that the game was out. We were playing 4v4 games against some other really good professional gamers, right? Like, and I remember just, like, him pulling those things out

in, like, the first game, dude. And we're playing, and, like, and, like, I'm on this hill, like, I can't remember what map it was, but, like, I'm, I think it was, like, Favela, and I'm, like, like, I see him down there, and he, like, hits me with them, you know? He, like, snipes me with these things

and he does some damage, right? And I'm like, oh shit, he hit me with that from that far away. He starts running at me. You know, he's moving. You know, I just see him running up the hill and I'm running backwards like, oh my god. I'm shooting at him and he just

runs and he just stops and pops me one more time and I'm like, what the fuck? And then he just proceeds to, we're playing Search and Destroy this, and he just, like, runs and he just, like, stops and pops me one more time. And I'm like, what the fuck? And then he just proceeds to, we're playing Search and Destroy this, and he just proceeds to play, like, the next three hours of custom games with these things. And he's wrecking everybody. And, like, I'm a Call of Duty pro, and he's a Halo pro. And I'm, like, instantly knew that those things were the most OP gun to ever grace Call of Duty. You didn't need stopping

power because you had two fucking guns. You could run like Marathon Lightweight and you could sometimes, especially when it first started and not everyone knew about them, you'd get to the enemy spawn in Search and Destroy and they'd still be clumped. It was just...

If you made your first two shots count, then you had a montage clip on your hands. You were going to wipe out a search and destroy team. You were going to kill three guys right off the bat. It was insane. They were great. They were totally overpowered.

And we used the shit out of them. Modern Warfare 2 was so much fun, man. Do you remember Favela? Do you remember Demolition? Right? You were playing Demolition because Demolition spawns were like static. You spawn there, right? So we

figured, you know, all the pros, they play the game a lot and we figured out where to block the spawns to make the other team spawn at the top of the street. And there was this little corner you could get in and you could just sit there and your teammates were blocking the spawns and they were literally just spawning up in front of you you know

we had all those exploits you guys figured them out too but like you just sit there with like an M60 and just like hold the trigger or knifing right there was a knife that made you like knife quicker the ballistic knife right you could knife super fast with it I think yeah I'm not sure if you had that

maybe I'm thinking of Black Ops but yeah people would just knife super fast with it, I think. Yeah, I remember when I had that. Maybe I'm thinking of Black Ops, but yeah, people would just super fast knife. Tactical knife. I'm jerking off. Yeah, tactical knife. This guy. Yeah, and they just stab, and as the guy came to life, drop.

We used to do that in Shipment. We played Team Tactical COD 4, and on Shipment, I think it was it was Headquarters. It was Headquarters on Shipment and Team Tactical. That has static spawns as well. There's only like four total spawns on the map for the enemy team.

So, like, I'd stand in one spawn point, Socrates would stand in another, Impulse would stand in another, and one of us knew we had the lucky spot. You just aim. You just aim at a corner between two of those crates and that's where they're going to spawn in. And it's headquarters, so there's a spawn delay.

So you've got plenty of time. Don't worry about them wave spawning and you're like, oh shit! And they get a grenade off on you. No. No, you're just like M16, just sitting there, waving. And we would go on, I think Sock went on like an 80 kill streak one time

because they, you know, there's no fucking time limit. It's headquarters. They'll just keep spawning in. So. Dude, going back to the knifing thing, I just remember I was thinking in my head, like, didn't they have a perk that made you like knife from farther away? Commando. Commando, dude. Yeah. Oh my god. Never ran that. I'm just reminiscing. perk that made you like life from farther away and i went and looked it up commando dude yeah

oh my god never ran that reminiscing yeah you can't run that as a youtuber can't run commando can't run 1887s okay i listened to my subs too much at the time the me of today would have been running all that fucking oh one man army yeah let it rip i think all you youtubers were so concerned about like gameplays and stuff so much so that like people were like paying other people to like get them gameplays and act like they were theirs and stuff so i was never accused of doing that no one ever said what did you buy that 25 and 5 nope got it on my own the youtubers did do that what do you know it I can name them so yeah me too but like here you go

you got a lot of people who were doing that stuff and thinking like oh I have to use the FAMAS but I think if you guys would just use whatever the fuck you wanted to use it wouldn't have mattered people would still watch your videos like I don't know why you guys were so concerned about that stuff I think it was based off what we were talking about earlier like you would read the comments

and see all this hate a little bit bit of hate, and you would just kind of get turned off by it. But dude, who gives a shit? Yeah, I'd use the 1887s with commando, and my secondary would be noob tubes. Whatever gets it done, because you know it's going to get patched. If I had

never listened to hate in my video, for example, someone says, like, oh my god, you can't use the FAMAS. And I said, fuck off, it's my favorite gun. It probably would have cut the hate early. Instead, it's like, nope, can't use commando either. Now I have a new rule, you can't use this, you can't use that,

until I run around and like grab chickens from the map and kill people with them. Yeah. Modern Warfare 2 was full of those, though though it wasn't just the 1887s there was lots of shit like that that was just like command all of a sudden every scavenger running along with those uh what are those like china something noob tubes anyone remember them ah the china lake but the one man army noob tubes that's what i mean i mean there was another one what was the other noob tube?

Was it called China something? Do I have it right? That was the shitty one though. Yeah, that sucked. There were the hacks. People would run the fully auto noob tubes and stuff like that. That was the thing.

One Man Army noob tubes were just... I used to be able to do the spawn tubes, so I would always know how to shoot them off spawn and fuck people up. That was always great. I loved that. I'm trying to think. Whiteboy got a crazy... He had the fastest nuke. He still has the fastest nuke in Modern Warfare 2, actually.

I'm sorry. You must be thinking of G-Unit. Oh, okay. Yeah, you're right i got another video my favorite dude shaggy had this thing so like the noob tube video i'm sorry the fastest nuke video was obviously fake and he called it out and then the um uh blade fastest nuke video was obviously fake, and he called it out, and then the blade-only nuke, obviously fake, and he admitted to that, but then there were other videos he never admitted were fake, and I remember he was running a shotgun on Wasteland in Modern Warfare

2, which if you guys don't know this, Wasteland is a big, wide-open map, and it's terrible for a shotgun. You're just, you know, a deer running across the field. Anyway, he says this thing he's like yeah you see i see this guy shooting at me so i run forward then i hit x and o and i dodged the bullets and i was like wait what the f- nah like that's not a thing you can't dodge bullets from across wasteland and he would just say this shit with a straight face when in reality everyone in that

lobby was a friend of his and they were missing i liked watching that video because you could even see him as he's trying to do his explanations like there was one guy standing on top of the hill waiting to get killed and he accidentally turned towards g unit so you could see that he clearly saw him and the guy just real quick like oh fuck and they just turned back to where he was supposed to be looking at just like oh, oh, I didn't see him. Didn't see this guy barreling towards me in the middle of a field with no cover. Some of the spas.

Yeah. Painkiller, though, man. Painkiller was terrible. Oh, yeah! As a really high-quality player, like, when you, you know, you're rewarding people for sucking ass at the game. You're literally rewarding people for just sucking. And so when a sucky

person just gets the drop on you for an extra two seconds, basically, it was like... 100% health. They were tough. You'd have to shoot them three or four times at the last. It was 300% health, but literally the way I thought about it was like,

that's two fucking seconds. You know, it's like, that's two seconds of reaction. Like, I can't kill him. They're just going to kill me. And like, I think everybody was pissed off about that. That was a quality player, but of course, everybody that sucked at the game rocked that thing. You could shoot them in the head with a sniper rifle,

and they wouldn't die. They were good. They were good. They would unload on you if you did that. You might hit them in the head with a.50 cal and they'd just be like, ow! The real problem with it was if somebody had painkiller until you shot them.

You would actually have to alert them like, hey, I'm here. I can't kill you. But hey, I'm here. Before you even knew. If I would have been okay with it had they put the big pill above their head right when they spawn so I could just run away, you know?

Me and Wings of Redemption did it. Maybe our first dual commentary together ever was all about this subject and at the time, I came up with the idea I was like, why don't they just put them in that fucking juggernaut suit? Just put them in that fucking suit if they're going to give them 300 health, like, it's bullshit. Like, why do they have this?

Do they really, they're on painkillers so my headshots don't count? That doesn't work. I mean, we all hated it so much, that's why this show was named that. Like, we really hated that shit. That was one of the biggest turn-offs that Call of Duty ever did to me. I think it was the default death streak. It was one of the earliest ones, if not the earliest ones. It could be off me. I think it was the default Deathstreak. It was one of the earliest ones, if not the earliest ones.

I could be off, but I think it was. Martyrdom and Last Stand. Martyrdom sucked more in COD 4. Yeah, because COD 4 already had Frag x3. When you throw Martyrdom in with Frag x3, there'd be times when there were maids coming from everywhere.

Vacant was a shit show the middle yeah kept flag and domination on bacon was brutal it was impossible to not die of grenades because it has a roof to that um you know just like throw grenades from spawn like land and you know he's not talking about shipment like I had a class called shipment and it ran frag times three. I used to throw flashes on that too. That was fun.

You just annoy the hell out of the other team with the flashes. You didn't get the assist, but at the end of the game, you got to hear about what you were doing. Everybody was like, who was throwing the flashes? I was throwing flash times three and i don't even know if sonic boom helps those but i'd throw i'd throw that on too and it was just flash flash

flash and i'd hit like three corner you know you spawn in one corner and there's only three more corners so it's like flash flash flash yeah and and now i'm dead flash flash flash now i'm dead flash flash flash i don't know how many times I die. This is my eighth account. Like, how does... I learned that. Like, someone else was like, you're all going to hate me by the end of this game.

I'm running flash times three. And it was like, ah, that's the idea. Dude, I love shipment, man. I used to camp in shipment. Yeah. Go ahead, Ty. I ran an M16 with a red dot in shipment a lot of people would run an smg they're like this is an up-close map not the way I played it I'm

sitting here behind barrel and uh and I would just point that red dot at people I I was like learning to play in cod 4 and I might go all night and be like positive 6 or something as I dug my way out of a kd hole and then shipment would come along and I could go plus 70. That thing was like a health spa for my KD. Loved it. Loved it. Good times. Within the first 12 seconds of playing shipment, you could always tell if it was going to be

just an excellent gaming experience or if it was just going to be 10 minutes of just anger and frustration. First chopper, right? Oh yeah, it all comes down to the first chopper. Those were good times, man. I've said it like three times this podcast. Yeah.

Those really were good times. There was so much fun tied up in those games. I've spent so much time in those COD 4 maps. I think a lot of people mix up the game and the good times, right? Really, what made COD 4 so great, it was a good game and it is a good enough platform to enable that, but it was like your initial COD experience. You know, you hadn't been into shooters quite as much, or maybe you came in from Halo, maybe I'm wrong, but like, it wasn't that COD 4 was so awesome. It was just awesome enough to do that thing black ops 2 was

better than cod 4 but the fact is you were just a couple years into it some of your favorite friends either changed or moved on and it the thing one of the things that i think was better in cod 4 on a on like a purely game mechanics level was the sound i don't think they've done the sound as well as it was in COD 4 since. Ever. In COD 4, I put a headset just like this one on, I turned it up as loud as I could bear it,

and then I became a god. I knew if you were walking on concrete or metal. I knew if you were running, sprinting. If you reloaded. If you pulled the pin on a grenade and were cooking it, I knew to run. I could hear it. I knew what was up on a whole other level and I played so much, so many

days, you know, 100 days of playtime or whatever that like, I was like a fucking I don't know, that was my that was what I was best at. Sound whoring was awesome. Not only did you hear where it was coming from while sound whoring, if you play enough you know where every material is, right? is some guy walking on

wood okay where is there wood nearby me you know i know yeah he's behind the um uh the the sun house what is it called where plants grow a greenhouse right he's behind the greenhouse on a state because that's the material that i just heard right he walked up the metal stairs or whatever it was the little clink of the on the tin roofs just like click click click click it's like i know where that fucker is yeah like yeah like not directionally it was good but you knew which materials were within hearing distance of you at all times and and you were like bat like echo location now they purposely go out like the sound engine is every bit as good as it was before, but they fuck with it.

You got like trains buzzing around and, you know, the damn uniforms in World at War starting there. It was like jingle bells. The guy would walk. There'd be so many metals and shit bouncing around. Yeah. They got like his trench shovel banging about and you can't hear anything. We were playing a GB match on Downpour one time and it was, I think it was TDM or something. No, it was Search and Destroy can't hear anything. We were playing a GV match on Downpour one time, and it was I think it was TDM,

no, it was Search and Destroy or something like that, and they were on the bottom side of the map, and there's an area to the left of the greenhouses down there where there's some wood, and we were trying to find this last guy. It was like a 3v3 Search and Destroy, and we were down one man, so it was like me

and one other guy looking for their last guy. And I'm just standing there like kind of at the edge of the map and I hear I hear him reload his gun and I'm like I think he's on the other side of this piece of wood that I'm

standing next to. And I just go and point at the piece of wood where I heard the noise and go from the hip with an M16. And it's like, like game over. Like, that's it. He was right up in there. I was just like, this is so realistic.

I felt like it was real life. I was sitting here in the rain, fucking scared because it was a GB match and I hated losing those things for my friends. I heard this guy and was just like, and it was just like real life, he's fucking dead and it's over. I loved that. I loved the sound horn in that game and I thought it made it.

It gave me the edge that I needed to be another level better than I already was. At the pro level, does anyone run Dead Silence or whatever it's called? Is that a necessity thing on the classes today? Whatever, the Dead Silence or whatever it's called like is that a necessity thing on the classes today whatever the dead silence or whatever its equivalent is called do you have to run that to be competitive now or it sounds so bad people don't use it yeah i mean i think i think it's like

always kind of been a necessity even i mean cut four we, no pro ran without Dead Silence. You used Dead Silence. The only time you wouldn't use it is if you used Marathon to run to a domination flag really quickly and just jump on the flag right away, or to hit some stun grenades and then you crouch-walked around. Yeah, I mean, every pro used Dead Silence pretty much. Still, though. I'm not asking about that. Yeah, it's still a thing. It still has to be. In Advanced Warfare, you'm not asking about that. Yeah, I think it's still a thing. It still has to be.

In Advanced Warfare, you can hear the boosts. If you use the boosts at all, you can hear that. Now that's the audio cue. Yeah, I guess if you hear that, then... I know there's an XO ability to silence your footsteps and I think there's some sort of a thing

that makes your booster pack not show up on the radar as a red spot, but like I said, I'm a level 25. I'm still learning the maps and stuff. Yeah. I just remember, you keep harping on COD 4, but if you didn't have dead silence

and you had a headset, you could hear them halfway across crash, like a big map, you could hear them halfway across Crash. A big map. You could hear them. I would be playing and I'd have a friend watching me. I'd be up on top of the three-story in Crash and I'd be like, he just spawned. He's by the blue garage.

He's coming down the back alley. He just entered the blue room. Let's see if he goes upstairs, comes out the side door entered the blue room. Let's see if he goes upstairs, comes out the side door or the front door. Oh, front door. Okay, he's going to crouch behind the wall next to the car. He's like, dude, you're staring at a wall. I was like, I'm not going to stand up

until he's out in the open. Now he's by the chopper and I stand up and then lay down again. He can't do anything to that. You knew it too. The best map for it was, like, District. Remember District? Yeah.

So, like, oh, man. I mean, you would just, like, sit down at the bottom of the market, and you knew at the very beginning of the game, like, when you start hearing people sounding like elephants, you know, you hear the footsteps. Like, you're like, oh, yeah. This is it. This is the lobby we want to be in right here.

I like to fuck with people. It was more fun for me to, like, ruin someone's day, really. And the best way to know you did it was to play a cage match. So you just had one other guy and you could really gauge what you were doing to him. Somebody might rage quit and you might not even notice it if you're playing TDM or Search and Destroy. With this

guy, I'd go in there and I'd have two serious classes and three silly classes and I'd run around doing silly classes until I found a tryhard and then I'd be like, alright, here we go. And I'd fucking crank my headset literally as loud as it goes and I would crouch walk or aim walk the whole game because I'm sound whoring through his dead silence.

That's the whole point. And I could hear through his dead silence from like 30 feet away, something like that. And I would just be, he'd come around, he'd watch the kill cam and it's this, me standing there waiting, or, like, crouch walking, and then I stop, turn around, like, 100 degrees, and I'm just like, all right. And he's just like, are you sound whoring me? Are you sound whoring me right fucking now, bro?

And, like, up until then, he hadn't said a word, and I was like, turn my mic on. Yes. Back to mute for you. There were tricks in that game too. I'll tell you from a pro level. One thing the Envy team knew back then that nobody else knew, and not even

the YouTubers. I don't know. I never saw a video about it. Nothing, right? We would play Search and Destroy as a big part of competitive Call of Duty in COD 4. It still is. It has been in every COD. In COD 4, if you were to scope your gun in and climbed over a wall, it would be a silent climb. So, like, you know, people would be at, like,

a map like Strike, right? And inside, like, Strike, you have the middle courtyard, and nobody would really, like, pay attention to, like, the front of that gate in Climb Overs because they knew they could hear it. Somebody climbed over. One trick the Envy guys knew was that if you actually scoped your gun and then hit the jump button to grab the wall to climb over,

it would be completely silent. Little tricks like that that people didn't pick up on, that's where Big Advantage came in. Did you know that you could jump off the three-story and if you landed on those pallets just right, you would survive the jump all the way to the bottom? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. People did stuff like that, yeah.

They came late in the game, though. Yeah. You would fuck with somebody's head so bad you pulled that move on them. Like an S&D when it's a 1v1 and you're trying to, like, you just run a circle around them, jump off the fucking building,

land on the pallets and, like, go prone. And they're just like, what the fuck? What the fuck? What the fuck? There's no way for them to win. That was a great game. We played that game so much we knew it inside and out. I guess those same little trade secrets or little inside things you could learn about all the future CODs, but COD 4, we knew it inside and out.

It really, I think the main reason is because World at War sucked so bad, in our opinions anyway, that we played COD 4, we knew it inside and out. It really, I think the main reason is because World at War sucks so bad, in our opinions anyway, that we played COD 4 for two straight years. It wasn't a one-year COD. It was a two-year COD for me. That's true. That's the, man, I've talked about this before, but COD 4 was a two-year COD.

World at War was a one-year COD. Modern Warfare 2 was like a nine-month COD. And then Black Ops was a six-month COD. And Modern Warfare 3, am I doing this right? It got shorter, and then Black Ops 2, and then Ghosts was like a couple weeks. Maybe Advanced Warfare is extending that. Maybe it's reversing the trend.

I don't know. Maybe we're just getting old and older. We're just getting older, and younger guys might attach themselves to it and be that. I don't know. I was kind of out of the community for a while when Ghosts came out, so I didn't get the full response.

Did the community just hate it? Just unabashedly everybody hated it? Because I didn't care for it when I played it. I just didn't know that it was such a hated COD. I think it was the most hated COD in the history of COD. Well, aside from COD 3.

Which one? Ghosts. Ghosts. I couldn't find much love for it. It seemed like, I don't know, you were really off the map. I don't like games when... I feel like when you're doing well, when your team is doing well, it should be hard for the other team.

I feel like they should not be enjoying themselves. I feel like it should be uncomfortable, painful, and difficult for them once they're backed into a corner to regain map position. And with this latest COD, like we were watching X-Cal play earlier, and they're just constantly dropping pings where it lights the characters up

on the map. I don't know what they're called. You basically see the players through the map material and you can get ready. It's great for map awareness. You always know what's going on. In Ghosts, I didn't see too much of that. It seemed like there were so many perks and attachments and equipment

that would hide you from the enemy. It was just... The game's called Ghosts. I didn't care for that. I felt like in COD 4, the one that I love so much, once we backed you into your corner, that's where you stayed. It didn't matter who spawned in.

They were going to be in the corner too. We were the eight-year-old boys looking down at a grasshopper in a jar. You weren't getting out of our jar. You're here for our entertainment now. Since then, it became. You weren't getting out of our jar. You're here for our entertainment now. Since then, it became easier and easier to get out of the jar. The spawn system, man, I think has a lot to do with that.

It was like I said, static spawns. Domination caught four. You knew if they're pinned on A site at crash, they're fucking spawning there. They're going to keep spawning around that area. The only outlet is the back alley. That's if you push too far. That's the way it should be.

Count down. Okay, get out. Remember the hangars in Countdown? You'd get up on those lids and shoot those people. Everybody would have a mixture of weapons for that. You'd have guys with their snipers and M16s. You'd have

rushers with SMGs. You'd just pummel the team. They couldn't hide, they couldn't run. Best air strike there was, man. Best man to drop the air strike. I liked Overgrown because you could trap them by that gas station, and they were just so far from any cover that they were doomed.

Yeah. I had this line of sight from inside library towards the gas station, and it was glorious. There were a lot of good trips. I love that game. I could sit here and talk about all night with you guys but I probably have to call in the night

because I still have to do work even at this hour at 1 o'clock in the morning. I got to talk with the team and see what other people are doing. It is getting late. You want to call a wild card or you want to press on without Mr. Hastrow? Up to you guys. We did start very late.

But, Hastro, it has been fun having you, man. Oh, thanks a lot, man. I'm going to be reminiscing about all these better days. Oh, dude, yeah. Actually, I'd love to see you guys at an event sometime, man, or do something. I don't really go to many anymore. I don't know if you do still, Kyle or Woody.

If they come to Raleigh, I do. I'd love that. If I don't have to go, I go. I've been to two. They came to Raleigh twice. They don't seem to be coming anymore. I think we all hit it pretty hard for a couple of years, though, so, you know, it's time to let this relax for a little bit, you know. I may end up out in L.A.

pretty soon for a few little things. Well, I probably won't be around too much, but this is what you should do. Just get me on Skype and stuff. Just give me your phone number. Just message me sometime. Stay in touch. I'd love to keep up with you guys. Awesome. Thanks, Astro. Yeah, man. Thanks for having me.

I appreciate it. Talk to you guys soon. Later. Later. So, Wildcard? Or press on. Or press on. I think we're about 3 hours and 12 minutes in.

I appreciate you timing it. Normally I would say press on, but we started 2 hours late because we wanted to get Mr. Hastrow in here, and I'm pretty fucking tired. Yeah, I am as well. You could just blame it on Kitty. I've got to pick her up from the airport tomorrow. She's back to destroy your phone.

God damn it, Kitty. Otherwise this would have been a nine-hour show. Right? She spent a while in Colorado this time. I guess she spent like two weeks, weeks I guess so she really likes it out there I gotta go I haven't fucking been yet I wanna go I wanna see what that place is about

it's uh my impression of Colorado is mountainous sunny dry and cold it's not bad but it's that's what it is I'd just like to do some traveling as well I

I want to go do something fun so that's one of the reasons I'm like ready to do one of these PKA trips I think that would be a fun thing to do very good alright that was Painkiller Ready episode 213 thank you Crunchyroll for being our

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